2012: Conservatives rally around Cain

“Reinforcing the picture of a closely divided public, registered voters again split nearly evenly when asked which party they specifically intend to support in the congressional election in their district: 43 percent picked Republicans, and 42 percent chose Democrats,” National Journal’s Ron Brownstein writes of a new United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection poll.

CAIN: “Conservatives rallied around Herman Cain as he battles sexual harassment allegations, likening the attacks on the Republican presidential contender to what they describe as the ‘high-tech lynching’ of another prominent black Republican: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,” the AP writes.

“Iowa conservatives appear unready to jump off the Herman Cain train — unless damning evidence emerges that proves the presidential candidate was less than truthful Monday when he denied allegations of sexual harassment,” the Des Moines Register’s Jacobs reports. “The Des Moines Register spoke by phone with more than 20 likely Republican caucusgoers who participated in the Oct. 23-26 Iowa Poll, and none said the allegations had moved them to reject Cain as a potential pick.”

The New York Times: “Herman Cain, a surprise leader in the Republican race for the presidency, acknowledged Monday that he was accused of sexual harassment while chief of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, but he denied wrongdoing in an episode that has consumed his rising candidacy.”

More: “In separate interviews, two people who were affiliated with the restaurant group at the time said that they knew of the second female employee, and that she had received a payment related to harassment accusations against Mr. Cain during his 1996-99 tenure as the association’s chief executive. The two spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid being pulled into the matter publicly.”

“The Washington Post independently obtained the names of the women and tried to contact both, but several e-mails and telephone messages were not returned. A man who answered the door at the Maryland home of one of the women said they had “nothing to say.”

The New York Post: “Cain feeling heat.”

The New York Daily News notes that Cain changed his story from the morning to the afternoon, when in a taped appearance on FOX. He initially said he was “unaware” of any financial payout, then admitted there was one. "Maybe three months' salary,” Cain said of the settlement. “I don't remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn't pay all of the money they demanded.”

The paper writes, “The allegations lodged against Cain, and his hamfisted response to the revelations, threaten to derail his soaring poll numbers.” He also says he’s “unaware” once again of a formal complaint filed by a second woman.

NBC has confirmed that two women accused Cain of inappropriate sexual conduct and at least one received a financial settlement. Here’s NBC’s Lisa Myers’ piece on it from Nightly News.

Here’s an odd exchange with Cain on FOX with Greta Van Sustern, per GOP 12:

VAN SUSTEREN: Got a roaming eye at all?
CAIN: A roaming eye?
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.
CAIN: I enjoy flowers, like everybody else.
VAN SUSTEREN: You know what I mean.
CAIN: No. No, not at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Not at all.
CAIN: Well, I wouldn't say not at all. Depends upon what you mean and
(INAUDIBLE) to what you mean.

And Cain made this allegation: “I do recall that her performance, it had been told to me by her boss, was not up to par.”

“Cain told The Hill on Monday that the controversy swirling around him was comparable to what happened to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who was accused of sexual harassment by a former law clerk, Anita Hill, during his confirmation hearings. ‘There seems to be some similarities. ... Probably so,’ said Cain, who earlier this year predicted that like Thomas, he would be subjected to a ‘high-tech lynching’ by liberals opposed to his campaign. ‘The only question would be, how long are people going to drag this baseless, false accusation out? I can’t determine that,’ Cain said Monday.”

Roll Call writes, “As Herman Cain's presidential campaign spent Monday dealing with the fallout from sexual harassment allegations, it became increasingly clear that his handling of the controversy could put him in greater jeopardy than the actual decade-old charges.”

Cain found time to go on Iowa radio in the afternoon. Of the sex allegations, Cain said, “The Cain train is staying on track and we’re making sure that we don’t allow these distractions from former employees or opponents to really get us off message.”

Unrelated to the sexual harassment news, Cain also said on the radio show he’d consider making Newt Gingrich his VP.

PERRY: A pro-Perry Super PAC is going up with two ads in Iowa and South Carolina.

ROMNEY: PoliticalWire notes, “Jon Stewart looks at sexual harassment accusations against Herman Cain and Rick Perry's loopy speech in New Hampshire and concludes, ‘Mitt Romney is the luckiest Motherfudger on Earth.’”

A Romney fundraiser is also an official in a controversial New Hampshire hydroelectric transmission line. “The project has resulted in fierce opposition across the state, from members of the state’s congressional delegation to state legislators to grassroots activists,” the Boston Globe writes, adding, “The opposition led Northern Pass to back away from its preferred route for the transmission line, but it has not yet suggested a new path. Recent negotiations between landowners and Northern Pass, which is said to have threatened to seize land using eminent domain, has inflamed the opposition.”

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I called it. Conservatives have forgiven worse sexual indiscretions. "Family values" party, my ___.

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Reply#1 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:24 AM EDT

The Uncertainty of Questions –

As the World Yearns for Answers

Can uncertainty be a mark of great leaders?

Most people would be certain of the answer – NO.

We want our leaders to be calm, assured, fixed in their direction, informed of their courses through stormy seas or calm paradisical bays, capable of directing counselors’ debates toward a righteous goal, stalwart as a commander in the field leading with sword held high and pointing to the enemy.

“We,” by the way, does not simply apply to “exceptional” Americans – this is generally a human trait, informed through the millenia. It is as true of barbarians swarming down the Thracian Plain to found Macedon, and centuries later spawn Alexander the Great, as it is of Iraqis today squabbling, and bombing, in the rubble of their once-great nation.

Yet great leadership always begins with questioning. It always begins with uncertainty and the search for an understanding. It does not begin with blind passion and blind blundering.

Answers to grand problems must always be preceded by questioning. There is no weakness in questioning, in making attempts that do not succeed, or but partially succeed. Often the greatest victories follow grand defeats. It is not the capacity to demand that marks intelligence, but rather the capacity to learn.

Winston Churchill learned this lesson early in World War II. He came to office with the certainty that Hitler’s Germany was evil, intractable, and must be destroyed. He came to office expressing the certainty that Britain’s strength and resolve would make the result.

But Churchill’s public resolve masked private questioning. He had questioned, and learned the answers to, much of Hitler’s philosophy and resulting policy, in the years before the war. Churchill, however, did not question enough – until the end of the war with the liberation of the death camps, he never quite believed the evidence of mass murder, for example, and thus allowed millions to die when something might have been done to spare those innocents. Across the Atlantic, American President Franklin D. Roosevelt mirrored Churchill.

Closer to the point of the war itself, Churchill’s apparent certainty led to costly disasters because he did not ask questions first. The worst may have been the terrible price of the Dieppe raid in 1942, when Churchill tested the concepts for a later invasion of mainland France. Thousands of mainly Canadian soldiers were killed or captured in that epic failure, because Churchill and his advisors believed that the Germans were weak, physically and morally.

Yet Churchill was a great leader. He had the capacity to learn and to question, when his assumptions were challenged by facts. He gained assurance from his lessons, and he took his lessons to his nation – with success.

Today the world, and most especially the United States, is again in crisis. And the crisis is a war, of sorts. The nation, and the world, yearns for certain leadership, for reassurance and guidance. It is bitterly divided about the course toward a future that many paint in bleak and sere colors.

Will America, and a globe of now seven billion souls, wander forward into a
wasteland, a “Mad Max” countryside crumbling beneath abandonment, or will the
people join to strive in their customary discord to advance with all people
seeing some hope for a better day?

That is the question.

What is the answer?

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#1.1 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:33 AM EDT

Amy,

you assume Cain is guilty, of course, because you are a political hack.

Certainly one can make hay with the hypocrisy card, based on the idea that the GOP is the 'family values' Party.

The short term thrill of accusing the GOP of 'hypocrisy', leaves a bad aftertaste: the logic of your assertion tells us that Democrats are not a Party with family values.

Dont expect hypocrisy from Democrats, expect sex in the Oval Office with interns, gay prostitutes living with Barney Frank , and a Presidential candidate with mistresses on his payroll.

At least they arent hypocrites!

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#1.2 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM EDT

Amy......we learned how to forgive those "indiscretions" from the Dumbocrats!

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#1.3 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 10:32 AM EDT

Bob 1887910 -- I think you might agree that sexual indiscrections, pecadillos, etc., are not exclusive to one party or another. There are ample examples of politicians of both parties behaving in ways that are inappropriate. That's probably why voters want to know more about the hidden lives of people running for elected office. Sometimes the hidden lives leave people open to blackmail, to corruption. Other times, the words politicians use and the positions they espouse are in direct conflict with their own practices. In the instance of Mr. Cain, it is not surprising that someone in business might have "accusations" brought forward. He may not have thought he did anything wrong and he may not have done anything wrong, but he should be sensitive to the issue and how it affects the workplace.

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#1.4 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT

WOW Bob, you claiming the tea people GOP republicans aren't hypocrites is like saying the sky isn't blue. They've been hypocritical on so many issues it would take six months to name them all. Don't you know they take price in being hypocrites.

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#1.5 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 12:42 PM EDT

What are the details of the allegations? I love these accusations wthout any facts to back up the situation . Heck, was he having sex with an intern in his office like our former President? Did he try and get sexual favors for promoting someone to a higher position. Was he taking pictures of his body and sending them to a female? Did he make a compliment to the lady who took it wrong? What is the real level of indiscretion as you bloggers like to generically term this? What does it really have to do with Cain's being a qualified black man who is doing so well in the polls. Cain's assent in the polls is probably scaring the hell out of the Obama Administration and the Democrats. Is all the accusation really important in the grand scheme?

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#1.6 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
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"... unless damning evidence emerges that proves the presidential candidate was less than truthful Monday when he denied allegations of sexual harassment,..."

Key line, right there.....Let's all watch.

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Reply#2 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:24 AM EDT

Wonder what "less than truthful " interview they were referring to on Monday?

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#2.1 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:29 AM EDT

Oops, hit button before adding, he had serveral.

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#2.2 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:29 AM EDT

DBO -

Dead on the mark, as always.

Cain is in denial both to himself and everyone else. He absolutely, without question, knew about the allegations, the company's internal investigations, and the results. There are laws, and standards of business practice, covering how such claims are treated, and he himself said yesterday that the company HR and legal staff handled the matter. They are required to eventually sit down with him and report the outcomes.

And because such investigations occur, businesses know whether there is enough meat in the claims to avoid lawsuits by paying up. The association paid up.

Cain lies.

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#2.3 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

Herman "grabby ass" Cain

Please nominate this guy..................

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#2.4 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 10:19 AM EDT
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Yet again, my only surprise is that anyone's surprised! You're getting the standard right wing commentariat knee jerk reaction. We could use more knees and fewer jerks!

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Reply#3 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:29 AM EDT

HEY, Bob Numbahs:

About Cain and the harassment story, please try to remember:

The story is not about “But Obama…”

Or Bill Clinton

Or Kennedy and Mary Jo

Or Solyndra

Or “but the MEDIA….”

See, when those stories are run, you can comment on them all you want. Knock yourselves out. But for now, try to remember no one has even uncovered yet if this ‘leak’ has originated from the Left or the Right.

Deflection and substitution only makes your argument look that much weaker. As Fox would say….”YOU decide” if you want to go there.

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Reply#4 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:35 AM EDT

My prediction is that GOP establishment has people searching for additional women who have worked anywhere near Cain in the past, who may be willing to, shall we say, offer embellishments for cash. Or better yet, have a real story to tell. But real or fake... watch for another allegation about a week before Thanksgiving. That's when I'd guess it would have maximum effect.

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Reply#5 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:42 AM EDT

This line cracked me up: Unrelated to the sexual harassment news, Cain also said on the radio show he’d consider making Newt Gingrich his VP.

Is Newt the perfect wing man for an alledged adulterer or what?

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Reply#6 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:48 AM EDT

Amy - you are so correct, looks like the party of family values has finally been found out! They only value it of they can own it, including people. Yes, I do believe Cain is guilty (especially if he has that much regard for a man who took his mistress to his wife's hospital bed to have her sign divorce papers!), no woman would put her self front and center for the kind of circus that is made when she says a man is guilty of sexual harrassment - just ask Anita Hill! And all the good old boys always stick together - can you say "BUBBA"? Regardless of your race or what part of the country you are from, Bubba is always Bubba and Bubba is always bad. Harressing women sexually or any other way is one of the ways bubba spends his time. I know all about bubba, I've lived in bubbaland all my life!

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#6.1 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT

"no woman would put her self front and center for the kind of circus that is made when she says a man is guilty of sexual harrassment - just ask Anita Hill."

So women never give false allegations? Women do not lie?

If you believe that , then you must support putting "bubba" Bill Clinton in prison for life, for rape, based on the statements of Juanita Broderick, or Paula Jones.

    #6.2 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 12:21 PM EDT

    "especially if he has that much regard for a man who took his mistress to his wife's hospital bed to have her sign divorce papers!"

    Newt Gingrich had affairs while married, his behaviour was bad; but the Left's smears about his divorce papers being served to his dying wife in the hospital are absurd lies.

    He and his wife were discussing divorce while she was being treated for cancer. His wife survived the cancer.

    Now an added bonus smear, you say Newt took his mistress to the hospital. What next, did he serve the papers in the operating room while she having surgery?

      #6.3 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

      Dejavu all over again. The naieve Cain w/ Nyewt as his Cheney (puppet master). eewww

        #6.4 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
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        Mr. Cain's "story" doesn't have to be a story at all. The real issue is whether or not sexual harassment is a workplace issue. If Mr. Cain simply said, it is a workplace issue (all these "small business" types should know that), that the mechanisms in place were used to investigate the claims, and that the situation was resolved. If he did not knowingly harass anyone, he was made more aware of the sensitivity involved. By dragging the issue on and on and by implying that people are scouring his record, he is making something out of nothing. If, on the other hand, he feels that accusations of harassment are not issues germane to the workplace, he should state so clearly and let voters decide.

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        Reply#7 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:50 AM EDT

         It's a shame that the only thing they can find is something going back 15 years. I have met the man in DC back in 1998 and he is a very wonderful down to earth guy. His success through the years could have made him a target for an unscrupulous accusation regardless of politics.

          In this day and age saying "hey, you look great in that dress" can make you a target for a sexual harassment claim. I am pro candidate, not pro party. We as a nation have been screwed over by both sides of the aisle and there are career politicians that need to be thrown out on their caboose.

         If Cain wins, good for him, if someone else gets the nomination, hopefully they can defeat the corrupt administration we have in place now, and put the good of the nation ahead of personal crusades or political paybacks.

        Just my .02 (which doesn't get me much these days)

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        Reply#8 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT

        Everyone seems to be forgetting the issue at hand......something inappropriate took place. If it did not, Cain would have killed this issue before it ever came to public light. Just the same old politicking by the same old party,(Tea-Party = Republican no matter which way you slice it), When is conservative America ever going to wake up and get the truth? Your so-called "Party" is dead and not even the nuts referring to themselves as "Tea-Partiers" can save or revive your worn-out failed ideas of how prayer,apple pie, and trickle-down economics will save this great nation.

          Reply#9 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT

          I disagree, DA stalker. None of us knows if something inappropriate took place. What we know is that while he was head of the restaurant association, there were two "accusations" of sexual harassment filed. They were investigated, the restaurant association resolved the issue by terminating employment and settling with the two women involved. The resolution included some sort of clause asking that parties not discuss the issue. Where Mr. Cain is wrong is in not simply stating those facts. By wondering who released the information, by saying that there's a "witch hunt" going on... both of those things keep the story alive.

            #9.1 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
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            "Crazy Cain" continued cases of personal corruption, economic corruption, and poltical puking dances on like a dizzy GOP/RNC Clown. "Crazy Cain" has no idea of what he got himself into politically, personally, economically, and socially. His many statements, and distractions are a classic GOP/RNC Policy of "Distract and then Attack!" Again! This situation smells of rotten tea begs politically brewing up another GOP "Kettle OF Craziness." The "Crazy Conservatine Crap" of "Tinkle Down" Economics is an economic disaster. There is no economic umbrella for the Middle Class, the Working Poor, the disabled, and the elderly. That is fact!

              Reply#10 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT

              "2012: Conservatives rally around Cain"

              True. As true as,

              "2008-2011: First Read and MSNBC rally around Obama"

                Reply#11 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:19 PM EDT

                The repubs are doing a little housekeeping here and sweeping Cain out of the way,is that what they mean when they say they are "Rallying" around him? Then they are going to shoot the moon trying to bring Perry back because the real repubs can not take ROMNEY in any form. Meanwhile,they are playing right into Romney's hand,take note there is not one article on Romney on the entire MSNBC website right now. Mitts laying in the weeds building a war chest. As a dem the only thing that could be funnier is if Mitt changed his position again on same sex marriage and ran off and married Flip Wilson and then changed his name to...wait for it..... Flip Romney!!

                  Reply#12 - Tue Nov 1, 2011 2:35 PM EDT
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