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Subscribe to RSSOSKALOOSA, Iowa—Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann waded into a sensitive area of immigration policy Saturday during a somewhat charged exchange at a campaign stop in southeast Iowa.
Bachmann entered an extended exchange with a college student (and Democrat) over how to handle the immigrants who are brought to the U.S. illegally as children.
After finishing a speech that focused in part on repealing the federal health care law and overhauling the tax code, Bachmann opened the floor to questions from the 100 or so people gathered at Smokey Row restaurant.
A 19 year-old college student, identifying himself as Latino, asked what Bachmann would “do to” the children of illegal immigrants.
Bachmann responded that she is “not doing anything to them,” and described why she is against the federal government rewarding citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
“Their parents are the ones who brought them here,” Bachmann said.
"They did not have the legal right to come to the United States," Bachmann added, of the parents. "We do not owe people who broke our laws to come into the country. We don’t owe them anything.”
Bachmann went on to draw a parallel to her own family’s journey to the United States more than 150 years ago.
"I dare say that probably every single person in this room descends from immigrants,” Bachmann said.
“I did—my immigrant family came here in the 1850s, and they came into the United States legally. They received zero benefits.”
The exchange was somewhat charged, because the student, Roy Aguillon, cast the question in personal terms.
“These guys were my friends," Aguillon said. "They are the guys who sit next to me in class, who I see in Walmart.”
Aguillon, who is from San Antonio and is a student at nearby William Penn University, is a second-generation American citizen and is active in local politics—serving as the vice president of the College & Young Democrats of Iowa.
In an interview with NBC News, Aguillon said he didn't intend to draw Bachmann into a discussion about the DREAM Act—legislation which would offer benefits, including citizenship, to the children of illegal immigrants.
Instead, he says, he was looking for a practical answer for young illegals, given Bachmann's hard line position.
“These guys don’t know anything else," Aguillon said during his interview with NBC. "What are you going to do, send them back to Mexico? The place is basically in the middle of a drug war.”
Aguillon says he didn’t attend the event to raise trouble, and despite his leadership role in the Iowa College Democrats, he would consider voting Republican in 2012.
He complains that President Obama abandoned the DREAM Act, and hasn’t been hard enough on Wall Street. He says, of Obama: “He’s not enough of a fighter to be my president right now.”
Despite the personal tone of their exchange, Aguillon and Bachmann chatted following the event, and they posed for pictures together afterward, along with Aguillon's girlfriend.
As the campaign team left the restaurant, Iowa state co-chair Brad Zaun, a state senator from Urbandale, pulled him aside.
“Thanks for your honesty,” Zaun said.
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Right on kid, I agree and I have said it often these young people just want to see Obama fight for them they are tired of watching him try to compromise with people who have openly stated they have no intention of compromise, none whatsoever. If the president just stays on the attack, he will be re-elected, whether the republicans cooperate or not.
That kid feels the way most people feel about Obama's lack of true leadership, I don't think I'm going to vote for him this time around, I would like to see Clinton run again and vote for her, I think she has more of what it takes as a leader .......
Bachmann said kick the "Anchor babies" out of the U.S. of A, this lady is crazy ?
So, Rick...
Are you just going to sit this one out? If so, you loose your right to an opinion about the POTUS for 4 years... Cuz you sat that election out...
Only when a Republican gives a Demon-crat there own way does the Demon-crat think that there is compromise. The new type Demon-crat are not the Democrat of old. These new Demon-crat are Socialist/Communist inside ans out. Just look at the occupy Wall street protesters and the signs and people that are there they continue to try to hide. SEND EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN AND THE CHILDREN THEY BROUGHT HERE BACK TO THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM. For those who want to appeal set up the courts at our embassy in the country they are from. DO NOT LET THEM SIT AROUND AMERICA and wait for their appeal process. Let them wait in their own damned country. I love the way liberals care about others as long as it is paid for by others, they could care less if it comes out of their own pockets.
What does Marco Rubio have to say to this?
If the children of illegal aliens want to be angry at someone for their plight they should be mad at their parents. By denying rewards to illegals hoping to get a better life for their children it will discourage others from coming over to play this loser's game.
Sorry, but it isn't my fault, it's their parents. Let them pay for it.
Army retired, your pension and healthcare cost me more than dozens of migrant Mexican workers who are just here to provide for their families (and incidentally, enrich our economy).
You'd do the same, risking life and limb to cross a border illegally, to do backbreaking work for near minimum wage to provide for your family if you were in their situation, right? I would. The wait for a green card can take years, so that's not always a viable option.
Yes, we need to resolve our immigration issues. But your attitude toward people who work a lot harder than you did today to put bread on the table is unwarranted. Respect for your service.
Why doesn't anyone ask the Republican front runners these same questions? You know, people who actually matter in this debate.
Well there is a little matter of our Constitution which says if they are born here they are US citizens so how you going to deport a citizen, it would take a constitutional amendment, ha we can't even get a jobs bill through Congress but now we are going to change the Constitution, republicans love so much and if we do that and they are no longer considered citizens even though they were born here, then who else can we deny citizenship to, even though they were born here. This is exactly why you should not have simpletons running for high office. What are you going to do when you tell the parents they are being deported and they say OK but my child is a citizen so I will leave the child in America, are you going to start building orphanages for them.
So norm903, your solution is for the children of people who for whatever reason never became 'naturalized' citizens, is to "be mad at their parents"?! And they say there aren't any deep thinkers anymore!
First off its a lie that these illegals are working minimum wage jobs. Sorry to let you know but all the construction, plumbing and other jobs these criminals hold do not pay minimum wage. Second, not only should we throw all the illegal aliens and their children out the country we should throw all you leftist supporting them out the country right behind them.
And like "I always say", President Obama may not be perfect but he has fought for some very important ideas and won a few w/ no help whatsoever from the other side. Not only that, but as far as National Security we have probably never had a better LEADER.
These people- whether there youngsters like this kid or some of his esteemed "republican" colleagues cannot say that this Commander in Chief is not a leader!!
This leftist likes a free labor market, Devil. You support a regulated labor market, which would make you closer to a Marxist than I.
So US citizens can't compete in the free market with illegal Latinos for high-paying plumbing & construction jobs? Ayn Rand would say 'to hell with them'.
relax........I have to disagree with you.......I was an immigrant that came to this country legally and got nothing.....my family worked from day 1.......we sold everything we had and came with some money....we were never a burden on others...myself upon finishing high school joined the Marines and served for 21 years....and work today as a civilian...so YES I believe in a correct way to come to the US!.......
As far as you paying for us service members .......you did because you do not have the intestinal fortitude to serve and you left that job to those that chose to serve.
I am a ferm believer that we need to stop paying for illegal immigrants regardless of where they are from and forward the bill to their home countries for payment. This would ensure that their respective governments would act accordingly on their end!
As far as the mexicans go......it is not my fault or Americans fault that their country is @!$%#! You would think that being next to us they would have learned to govern themselves accordingly!
I'll say it again the children born here are US citizens, how do you deport a US citizen?
Well ok, first off I think Michelle Bachmann is a dope addict and maybe even a alcoholic boozehound too. I like to hear her tell Sandra Bullock this, oh yeah I bet you have a cat fight if these two go at it. Now the Mexican kid is a democrat and he's thinking about voting repube, said Obama is not good enough for him, not doing a good enough job for him so he might vote for Michelle along with his girlfriend too. Well this is nothing more than a smoke screen for Michelle, the mexican kid is trying to either have a threesome with Michelle or else even include her stupid husband in it and swap partners. I'm thinking he'd try to impregnate Michelle and then he and his children come here for free and they move right in with Michelle and her dummy husband. I don't like it. I just hope Michelle has enough sense to see through this smoke screen and she sticks to her guns on this one. Good job Michelle, I love you honey, you don't have to go Mexican, come to me honey, I'll give you what you need. Now Rick Perry is also an alcoholic boozehound. He's a real bad one. Boozed up all the time. Goes to his camp and gets so boozed up he pukes.
recon, not to derail this convo, but I entered in '02 and recently served in Kabul (yes, a fairly safe place) for 7 months as a driver, and also stand to gain by retiring at 42 (20 years are required for a full military retirement with 50% pay and full health coverage). That doesn't make me "special" or worthy of retiring at 42. Guys who were wounded deserve that. I don't.
I appreciate your input-but consider that we DID create the problem by purchasing drugs from Mexican cartels. The guns and money for this war in Mexico come from the US.
All the best to you-
Scott, They can say Obama is not a leader, but it doesn't make it true. It's just a form of leadership that isn't recognized in a country that is used to cowboy leadership. Change is hard. Like it or not, this country is going through massive change right now. I for one don't want to go back to the dark ages as the current crop of Republican "Leaders" would have us do. There's nobody home there that will take us forward. Nuts yes, but leaders no.
Trying to lead republicans is like herding cats. The people that love the Constitution but evidently have no clue what is in it so they propose to deport US citizens, are we going to deport them to Texas?
Forrest
Now there is DEBATE about the 14th Amendment. The first line says--
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Now notice the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That means all persons must be subject to US JURISDICTION not Mexican or ANY OTHER COUNTRY. Or to put it another way BORN TO US CITIZENS!!!
ahhh I shouldn't reply to this... slodon, you are 'subject to US jurisdiction' when you are within US borders, whether you are an antelope, an Eskimo, or a Mexican.
not only will Bachmann do nothing for the children brought here by there illegal parents .. she wont do anything for the children of the poor or the middle class or seniors that were born here .. her solution is cut funding for all but the rich .. like Herman Cain said its there fault they are not rich
Are they citizens as soon as the sperm hits the egg! It's a citizen not a choice!
Lord--I am so tired of people who were in the service claiming that they have "intestinal fortitude" and the rest of us do not. Look, buddy, you got in the service because you chose to--it is no more "service" than to be a police officer, a crab fisherman, a miner, or a fire fighter, and it might even be safer. Police officers and fire fighters also put their lives on the line for others--and most of them do not get life long health care and guaranteed pensions. Only if they stay in long enough or live long enough do they get much of anything.
Some of us spend our entire lives in service to others, and we get darned little for it other than scorn. I have spent my life trying to teach people who are nearly illiterate and have no critical thinking skills, but think that they are just all that much better than some "academic," who aren't able to move beyond grunt level jobs because they are nearly illiterate and cannot tell a satiric blog from a serious expert's testimony. I walk on eggshells because of their hyper-inflated egos, trying to get them to learn to have a thesis statement that predicts the shape of the paper, to have topic sentences that tell what a paragraph will be about, to understand the distinction between a claim and evidence, and to support their claims with evidence. About all I get for it is nasty language, manipulative behavior, and self-aggrandizing disdain from twits who spent three to six years serving in a job that they chose to serve in (many who never saw combat) and then spend the rest of their lives pursuing wealth and sneering at the rest of us while we serve our whole lives long with no wealth.
I do respect those who served in combat, and I particularly respect those who came back damaged from that combat and are being badly treated by the VA or who are homeless. But, I don't necessarily "respect" someone simply because they served in the military--many military jobs are less dangerous than mine (as I have to deal with people who are in college on "disability" because they are mentally ill--not a few of them mentally ill former service members--who really just don't like English teachers), and many people were given desk jobs because they had no "intestinal fortitude" either. In fact, those who had desk jobs are the quickest to claim that they saw combat, to flout their service, and to insist on getting "respect."
For your information, it was the military who invaded northern Mexico, the military who invaded Mexico City when the lesser-armed Mexican government wouldn't cede the territory, the military who not metaphorically put a gun to the heads of the Mexican leaders and who forced Mexico to give up their money-making regions for a pittance of a payout. Further, it is the US which decided in the early 20th century to create the drug market by making drugs which had been legal, illegal--and which continues to create the very lucrative market which destabilizes Mexico (which now has little else to create wealth than drugs). It is also the US which for many, many years (up to the Bush II administration) encouraged very poorly educated people to enter the US and work in poor conditions for little money (they make big paychecks for very little work--and I don't know who thinks that all the plumbers and electricians are illegal aliens, because they wouldn't and shouldn't be able to get licensed . . . if you are having a home built by someone who is contracting out to unlicensed workers, you have no one to blame but yourself).
While I do not begrudge members of the service their pensions and health benefits, many of those same veterans are quick to begrudge teachers the pensions that they paid into the teacher retirement system to get and had as part of their contracts a clause which required the state to also pay into that system (though the state didn't and is now trying to renege because they cannot afford to pay even the very few people who last long enough in teaching to draw retirement). It is often people who are veterans (who had job security, step wage increases, and get guaranteed health benefits) who have spearheaded campaigns to do away with tenure so that teachers will be fired just before they would be able to retire with their pensions or so that newbie teachers can be hired at a lower wage (and, yes, tenure is gone in the state where I live). etc. etc. etc.
Veterans have a really good "union" that protects them--long after their few years of service (well, as long as they don't get injured--VA is a different issue), as one doesn't have to do 21 years to get it (and, yes, I've been in grunt-level, poorly paid teaching jobs for far longer than your 21 years). And, veterans do not necessarily have a really good grasp of history and how we managed to get into the situation that we are in now.
Undocumented workers used to be welcomed into the US--for many, many generations--and they did not and do not really understand why it is that things have changed. The US destabilized Mexico; the military is the branch of the government that allowed us to do so. Illegal immigrants do not cost us loads of money, illegal immigrants are not a drain on our economy--and any information to the contrary is being given by people who are very clever with lying via statistics--and it is perfectly fair to point out that we pay an awful lot of money to people who served in the military who are now working fervantly at having everyone else who does government service deprived of their pensions (despite the fact that we paid the money in and that the amount to be contributed by the government has always been figured in as part of our "absurdly high wages").
Here's my wish for you. I hope that you work very hard at getting rid of illegal immigrants (it is my opinion that they should self-deport and come back as documented guest workers and that the children raised in the US who only understand our culture should be given a chance to get citizenship if they go into service--military or civilian--but that's what I'd do). I hope that other veterans work very hard at getting rid of benefits for those who "didn't have intestinal fortitude" to serve in the military, though we spent our lives in other service. And, I hope that other veterans still work very hard at getting unions dismantled because they didn't have the "intestinal fortitude" to serve in the military. And, I hope that a very conservative administration is elected that cuts Social Security and Medicare because they are "socialist."
And, then, I hope that they cut off all benefits to veterans including preferance in government service, who will then wind up working the jobs that the immigrants used to, as a lot of veterans would be getting ready to retire with benefits and they, too, will be fired just before they can retire (just as is happening to teachers today). Because, buddy, after veterans have eliminated all the safety nets for the rest of us--you won't have anyone complaining when yours is cut too. Enjoy.
"He complains that President Obama abandoned the DREAM Act"
sweet! i did not know that before. im a democrat but ive always been against immigration. good to hear!!!!!!
Some republicans are pathetic I see some of the same posters that defended the citizenship rights of the murderous bastard Obama took out in a foreign country plotting against our nation and soldiers. They were up in arms that we did not capture him and give him all his rights to a trial because after all he was an American citizen. Now some of those same posters would deport a child who is innocent of any crime and is in fact a US citizen, but they would happily deny them their rights by just pretending they are not a citizen.
Bean, as a liberal military guy who just said I don't deserve a pension after 20 years, I have to say you made some sweeping generalizations. In my perfect world, military would get a higher pay (I already make 6 figures which is great) but zero benefits unless they were wounded or disabled (these are roughly 70K/year right now for me, resulting in a taxpayer cost of almost 200K per annum).
You, as a teacher, would have a few years to figure things out, then you would be rated on your performance. This is super-hard to do, since the current systems in place encourage test-teaching.
I don't know the answer, but there are a lot of junior enlisted guys who made 30K per year and gave their lives and limbs for us. There are also a lot of moochers in the military. I don't know really how to deal with this, but I do know that Mexicans working 10hrs per day in the sun are not to blame.
Forrest Grump 2.0
define citizenship. my version of citizenship does not include your illegal parents bringing u into this country or having u born here while your parents are illegal or even marrying a citizen not for love but for citizenship. Its the parents fault for making a foolish decision and putting their kids at risk. If they dont like their own country what exactly are they doing to change it? NOTHING!
Super, how would you propose to change a country whose young men are incentivized by the multi-billion dollar US drug demand? How would you propose to a young man that he should work for $2 per hour rather than smuggle cocaine to the US for $100K/2.2 lb increments?
How would you propose solving this problem? I think you'll never, ever run out of desperate young men willing to make it big, but I could be wrong!
Tell me what you would do? Death penalty? They already have that bud. What else?
what i would do? i would make it a criminal offense to be here (make them fear coming here) they have none right now. crack down on benefits giving out and food banks giving to these illegals, have police put the home depots people in jail, and revoke citezship for marrying US citizens. Basically i would CRACK DOWN!
Cool, and the actual criminals don't care at all given the financial incentives I described above, but you'd cut back on the fruit pickers quite effectively. Consider that a win if you've no scruples about harming the US economy and hurting a lot of men who are more brave and noble than you. Can you imagine making an illegal journey to a foreign country just to provide for your kids? Do you have the guts to do that?
i dont brake laws i respect and obey them. Its not a matter of guts i am not or ever will be a law breaker. As far as fruit pickers, if their is a job out their being offered i guarantee u their is an American that wants that job. The theory of these people take jobs that Americans dont want is bull@!$%# propaganda for illegals favor.
To me, you are a coward. A man who made a black and white line he could not support.
Damn, supersmooth. Maybe you can hire an illegal alien to teach you how to spell.
We will get some form of a Dream Act, like we already have in TX and CA - after the 2012 elections. Don't give up hope, and for heaven's sake - vote, Obama 2012.
lol i know how to spell its a blog not a thesis.
Why is Micheal Bachmen still talking? Would someone turn off her mic please?
Ok... This kid says the anchor babies are the kids he sits next to in class and they are the ones he meets at the mall. This is the RESULT of not handling this problem a long time ago. The Brasero program was stopped and this is what we end up with. I don't see any good in sending these families back to Mexico. They are here and some members are citizens. They lucked out in that respect, but they have to live every day watching out for "The Man." The should not be here but they are and that is a fact on the ground. Fix the future since we cannot humanely fix the past, and the powers that be must be held responsible for the cheapening of our immigration laws.
Supersmooth would allow his children to die of curable diseases, whilst employing himself in a 3rd world country for cents per day. He would never break the law by venturing north. He had a massive and important respect for the law.
Good on Supersmooth. He failed as a man. He failed as a human being. He didn't cause any issues with US immigration.
That's the point supersmooth it is not for me to define citizenship, I don't think people should enter our country illegally, I don't condone that, but citizenship is defined by our constitution, it's not up to me, it is not a states right issue, it is not a jurisdictional issue, it is already defined in the big C. Is Marco Rubio getting deported, is he even valid as a US member of Congress, according to you I guess not if he was born before his parents were naturalized, uh oh more problems with redefining citizenship.
Supersmooth: Get your fat ass out of the trailer, clean out your front yard and stop messin' with your cousin.
Go get a job, even if it's picking fruit, and stop being a burden to the rest of us.
"Now notice the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That means all persons must be subject to US JURISDICTION not Mexican or ANY OTHER COUNTRY. Or to put it another way BORN TO US CITIZENS!!!"
Wow, how does U.S. jurisdiction mean born to U.S. citizens? You apparently do not have a firm grasp of the enlish language.
By the way...most of the people who are so against illegals probably wouldn't qualify to get in this country legally nowadays other than being born here. They should thank their mothers that they were fortunate enough to be spit out here...because that is the only qualification that they had to face....which they want to take away from others.
@super
Good thing this wasn't a thesis, or your grasp of the constitution and the fundamentals of this country's immigrant roots would nail you a failing grade...not to mention your borderline racism and all around lack of general human empathy.
Performance, so you value... the lack of brown(er) people? What do you value? wtf bro!
thats just the thing im employed and work my ass off i dont want to have my tax payer dollars go to illegals or see jobs taken away from Americans citizens. If u wanna give your job and your hard earned money away to illegals go for it but i for one do not!
supersmooth3
lol i know how to spell its a blog not a thesis.
If you know how to spell, why is your spelling so bad? Going out of your way to appear stupid?
No child it's because it is a BLOG and I could care a rat's ass about spelling but you should notice I spelled everything correctly just for you!
What is funny is although illegal parents may have come here and committed a MISDEMEANOR because that is all they committed in most case a misdemeanor. Other crimes committed are other crimes committed. And it is then LEGAL for babies of illegals to be here as citizens. So therefore a party of tea baggers and republicans who CLAIM, I say again CLAIM to follow the law and want everyone to abide by the law seem to have such outright hate and distain for the law.
Laughable for such a simple mind as Bachman to not only not understand the law but hate the law as much as she obviously does. ; ]
Cheers
I've said this before so I'll say it again for those of you that provide us with proof that there is a "missing link".
If you could cross some mountains and make more money in a week than you could in a month to ensure that your family would not hunger would you do it? Answer: if you didn't do it than you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Thank you have nice day! Oh, and stop being so heartless like the 1%ers and their servants in inhumanity.
Performance 396, so what would you do if you lived south of the border and could not adequately care for your dependents?
I wouldn't stand "in line like everybody else" but then again, I'm a bit more of a man than you!
Supersmooth3, you may respect and obey laws, but you, like every American citizen, has at one point and time in their lives broken a law. For example, have you ever driven over the speed limit? Speed limits are laws, whether you admit it or not.
I also doubt you know much (if anything) about those who hire migrants to pick fields. I doubt you can find 50 people who are willing to do unglorifying work in inhospitable weather hours a day for pay that barely supports a family (if at all). Perhaps for a few days or weeks, but very few if any Americans would ever consider working like that for months or years on end.
Finally, you would make people "fear" coming here? Be thankful those before us didn't feel that way or we would not be the country we are today. Making people fear our country is to turn us into an isolationist country, something that would destroy our economy and our way of life. Before posting, perhaps you should take more effort to think your comments through and consider every action you mentioned instead of believing your ideas are the answers that will "save" our country.
Seriously, how many of you guys think Americans want to pick veggies or make hotel rooms? How many of you think your home was made with American labor? How many of you want it to be? You are all in the wrong here.
OK Bachman presents herself as a Christian....She won't do a thing for the kids of 'illegals' even if born here. While I think the best solution for illegal immigration is to severely fine those who hire them and triple that on a second offense, jail after that.
If a kid was hurt and needed to go to the hospital (IE just like our kids when they are out of the US might)
I wonder what God would do?
I don't think God recognizes the concept of 'illegals'
But I know God would do the right thing and expect his creations to be cared for.
That's all bull. The automatic granting of citizenship to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is voided by, and does not meet the standards as defined within the 14th amendment's Citizenship Clause which provides a broad definition of ciizenship to wit: The Civil Rights Act of 1866 grants U.S. citizenship to all persons born in the United States "not subject to any foreign power: That would seem to automatically exclude ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS , espcially those from Mexico since, technically they are still Mexican citizens as are all ILLEGAL immigrants but those from Mexico are the ones who perpetually raise the issue of "reconquista" amd "Atzlan".
And,
Raul huerta , the reason we are so focused on Mexico is because it is Mexico who vicariously claims a major portion of United States territory is legally theirs despite the terms inherent in the Mexican Cessation as a result of The Mexican-American War which began when the U.S. annexed Texas whose settlers fought to gain independence from Mexico (just as Mexico fought to gain independence from Spain earlier) After several skirmishes, Santa Anna signed a treaty recognizing Texas independence Texas consolidated its status as an independent republic, winning official recognition by Britain, France, and the U.S., which all advised Mexico not to try to reconquer the new nation
With the one star flag, they became known as the Lone Star Republic. Most Texans wanted to join the U.S. but the Americans debated the wisdom on annexation, which Whigs largely opposed. In 1845 Texas agreed to the offer of annexation by the U.S. Congress. Texas became the 28th state on December 29, 1845.The Mexican government had long warned the United States that annexation of Texas would mean war. Because the Mexican congress had refused to recognize Texan independence, Mexico saw Texas as a rebellious territory that would be retaken. Britain and France, which recognized the independence of Texas, repeatedly tried to dissuade Mexico from declaring war. When Texas joined the U.S. as a state in 1845, the Mexican government broke diplomatic relations with the U.S. The resulting war with the U.S. eventually led to The Gadsden Purchase (known as Venta de La Mesilla, or Sale of La Mesilla, in Mexico) is a 29,670-square-mile (76,800 km2)
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Arizona and southwestern New Mexico that was purchased by the United States in a treaty signed by James Gadsden , the American ambassador to Mexico at the time, on December 30, 1853. It was then ratified, with changes, by the U.S. Senate on April 25, 1854 and signed by President Franklin Pierce , with final approval action taken by Mexico on June 8, 1854. The purchase was the last major territorial acquisition in the contiguous United States, adding a large area to the United States.
Now, Mexican illegal immigrants, with the encouragement and urging of the Mexican government acting through it's various Mexican Consulates sprinkled throughout the United States and actively aiding and abetting their ILLEGAL citizens seek to recapture (or reconquista) those vast United States territories as outline above to include Texas and California as well (Think for a moment in which states are most Hispanic are congregated?) I urge every concerned poster here especially those of the ultra-liberal bleeding heart bent, to visit the internet sites I've posted below and ask yourselves whether you still believe this calculated INVASION is harmless. Mexico is hell bent on recapturing vast amounts of U.S. territories without firing a shot. When the culture of this country is forever changed, you, or your children will forever regret your position on this issue. This is why the 14th amendment should be rescinded as the invaders are using it as a tool to increase their ever-growing demographics.
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LOL, it's rats, not rat's. So no, you did not spell everything correctly.
Relax you obviously never lost your job to an illegal I have I was a rough framer and dam good at my job I was told I did not want to do that kind of work by morons like you! I can still frame faster better and cleaner that any one of them yes I cost more but the time saved in not failing inspecting and that fact that I work faster cuts the end cost.
SO when you say they take job that we would not do please know what you are talking about because you are obviously wrong.
Finally, A voice of reason, i totally agree, kick out the anchor babys born to people BREAKING THE LAW!, and give NOTHING to the children of people BREAKING THE LAW. Yes you ARE responsible for the Sins of your parents, Get over it. Better learn how to get along with the Drug Cartels, because the tide is turning against you, and you arent WANTED here. GO HOME, and take your LAW BREAKING parents WITH you. Americans dont LIKE criminals.
brenda1964: No, it's rat's. Possessive for "ass of a rat". Rat's ass.
Now if you want to join in on the fun, you should've busted him for " could give a rat's ass". The proper phrase is "COULDN'T give...". But hey, he's trying hard with his spelling, and he even capitalized. Once he masters punctuation, look out world!
If the children of illegal aliens who were not born in the US (and therefore citizens) want to be angry at someone for their plight they should be mad at their parents. By denying rewards to illegals hoping to get a better life for their children it will discourage others from coming over to play this loser's game.
Should the parents be caught and sent back to wherever they came from and the children are minors, well, they have a decision to make.
Sorry, but it isn't my fault, it's their parents. Let the parents assume responsibility for the decision they made that affected their children's lives.
This is a riot:
"“These guys don’t know anything else," Aguillon said during his interview with NBC. "What are you going to do, send them back to Mexico? The place is basically in the middle of a drug war.”
Well I'll tell you what, Aquillon, howsabout 'these guys' go back to Mejico and start a revolution there to...
...wait for it...
...here it comes...
..improve conditions in their own country?
We as a nation owe nothing to those here illegally. Michelle may be a bit nuts but she's dead right on this topic.
And if our politicians weren't so interested in the 'latino vote' (and where does the loyalty of that vote lie, exactly? Doesn't seem to be very American, does it?) they'd uphold the law.
And if illegal immigrants had any real true backbone, they'd fix Mejico themselves.
But I suppose that's racist. I mean, why put forth the effort in your own country when you can sneak north and get benefits at the expense of an entire other nation?
I dont have a problem fixing our immiration problem. The problem I have is why are we just focused on Mexico I dont see nobody kicking in the doors in china towns across the United States or any other race or entnic groups being single out. There is thousands of other groups here illeglly .why is there only hate or obsession for one group?. I know its not only me that sees this> Im second generation American My grandparents were from Mexico and came here Illegally but eventually became american citizens. But they did not have to hide. they worked hard and raised a family and then came me. I served in the Millitary and have a good job. also i like to educate some of you folks. My bith certificate states white race, but as i was growing up the govt classified me as a Mexican/American then later on Im classifed as a hispanic Is it because I have nice thick Black hair? I dont know but people think anyone brown with a Spanish name is Mexican decent So people lets kick everyone out and leave the land to the Indians who land was stolen and killed off and the rest put on reservations.
"Their own country?" these kids were brought here as kids...If you can't even see the inhumanity of what you're proposing than try to see the sheer stupidity of it. Why are we wasting millions to kick out people who work their damn assses off for a better life. For what? so YOU can feel superior to someone? What "benefits" do illegals get? they cannot vote--but of course you probably don't even understand that. They cannot qualify for "benefits". They cannot get social security. They cannot get welfare. They DO pay taxes....property taxes out of their rents, sales taxes and income taxes at the least. This idiocy is the reason the extremists in the far right are simply working themsevles into irrelevancy and dragging the Republican party down with them. You're far less an American than these brown kids you hate so much.
I'm pretty sure Obama has finally realized there is no making nice with the GOP party any longer. I'm glad he has finally reconized this fact. He has been behind the 8-ball since day one, he has had no one on the GOP side to give a damn about the condition this United States is in and they won't until they get there way which is to get Obama out of the white house, to bad but true. I see everyone in the GOP nothing more that crazies fools, they don't do a decent days work as far as I can see, maybe they should have there pay checks cut and there health insurance dropped then maybe they would start doing there job, until someone starts talking about there livelyhood being cut short non of them will give a hoot what's going on around them. I will vote for Obama once again becasue I know he knows next time he won't be trying to make piece with the same people who hate his very soul.. I do know one thing if the republicans get in the white house we can kiss our asses good bye as far as fairness, the first thing they will do is take our social security and medicare away from the people who have not much else to live on.. They make me mad as hell..
I would have to agree with Bachmann. For illegal immigrants who can't vote, or collect SS they sure are getting valuable face time from the media. I mean where have you seen illegal immigrants getting more consideration than those that try to come here legally? It's shocking the audacity of the democratic party. I guess following laws doesn't apply to them unless they know that something is in it for them.
I come from immigrant parents and I am a minority. I think it is fair to say that the democratic party doesn't speak for all of us. I am apalled that people who try to come here legally( already obeying our laws) are given less consideration than those that snuck in. It really is sickening to think that these illegal immigrants could one day be called good Americans. What are we saying to our children if we can even obey the simplest law?
im a democrat but agreed. I hate what the GOP stands for but at the same time it makes me cringe when i vote democrat because of their leniency on immigration. to me its bad or worse. GOP = really bad, democrat = bad.
Well said, Lori.
Yes well said Lori, make sure you bring ten people with you to vote, remember friends don't let friends vote republican, not this year, not this time.
@AP
It's hard to point out stupidity and inhumanity to people who are so emotionally invested in the morally black and white jingoism that our current political climate breeds. Political TV has trained them to see all immigrants as a separate species, and the illegal variety as less than human. It's impossible to reason with people who are brainwashed to that degree. Point out that many of these kids have never known anything else or that they didn't even know that they were even in the country illegally, and they simply yell back "ILLEGAL" as if that, in and of itself, is a valid argument, ignoring the actual reality of the situation. It's the debate style of an elementary school child, and we all know how difficult it is to make elementary school kids see reason when they get their feet dug in.
There are a lot of angry people posting here. I'm ex-military; served four years and got out, no pension. I'm proud of my service and those who were with me. For an embittered school teacher to go on, as the one above whose name I've blotted from memory, about how our vets that served their 20 are overpaid pension wise and over-served on the medical front.., well, I suspect he never saw the inside of a VA hospital and never stood watch on the borders of this empire. Teachers have it tough, a lot of folks have it tough, including military retirees. We need ideas here, ways to set things right - illegal immigration included - , not endless crap slinging. If you're not working toward the solution, you are definitely part of the problem.
AP: well, well... it's sure easy to jump on the ol' YOU HATE BROWN PEOPLE ZOMG train, isn't it?
Makes you look kinda simple, chum.
So tell us, someone comes here illegally, what do you feel you owe them? Did you even catch my points?
What we should do is grant citizenship to those within our borders, period. We should seal the border to Mexico. And we should deport every illegal alien in the country currently being incarcerated back to their country of origin so that our citizens no longer foot the bill for their sentences.
I never said a word about uprooting kids and families. Learn to read.
Raul, no one is singling out Mexicans. The issue is about any and all illegal aliens, and why the rest of us must support them. I myself am an immigrant, but our family entered this country legally. I pay more taxes than 97 percent of the population, and am not about to pay a penny more so that those who came in illegally can receive free benefits. I worked hard and paid my dues legally to get where I am.
I have a child attending UC Berkeley, and tuition there has risen 40%+ the last 2 years. Classes are being cut, and admissions reduced because the State of California is on the verge of insolvency. Yet, our loony Governor and spendthrift state legislature thought it was a good idea to pass the Dream Act so that illegal aliens can receive free benefits while the rest of us citizens and legal immigrants suffered and paid. Why? Because it's not fair to deny children of illegals who have been here for such a long time?
Then why aren't we enforcing the immigration laws so that those children and their parents are deported before they settle in? Aren't we doing those children a disservice by allowing them to stay for so long that they forget their home country or their mother tongue. Why shouldn't school districts be screening for illegal aliens? Any other country would do those things.
The reason the U.S government won't do it is all about money. Businesses need cheap slave labor, and the politicians receive campaign money from those businesses. So the politicians turn a blind eye to the matter, and as usual, the tax payers get saddled with the bill.
If we need farm workers to pick the crops, we should extend migrant visas to foreign workers so that they can enter and work here legally. They can be paid proper wages and pay taxes just like the rest of us. When their visas expire, they can return to their home countries or seek a legal path to become citizens. It's a simple solution, but apparently too simple for our corrupt and stupid polticians to comprehend,
Real simple,there president likes to pimp his own people to build his economy,why not send them to US and send money back to mexico? Build mexico and let his people get jailed and work for little bit of nothing to greedy contractors here in USA
Bachman will soon effect a change in the common expression "dumber than dirt" to "dumber than Palin". She mentions her ancestors who came to this country 150 years ago "legally". Who owned Texas before we took it away from them by force? Who "owned" Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, California? What language did they speak. Aw hell, it was Spanish!
I could go farther back but I don't know the names of the languages the American Indians spoke before our blessedly "legal" ancestors killed most of them. Legally, of course.
Raul huerta,
I don't understand why "you" don't understand when 65% of the illegal aliens in our country are mexican nationals, and another 18% to 23% are from countries south of Mexico! Look it up. As far as the give the land back to the indians routine. Give us a break will you? Every country in the world have their current borders as a result of past wars, purchases, and atrocities, even Mexico! If we all went back to where our first ancestor's came from, the continent of Africa would sink under the whole worlds population! You get no points for trying to be cute using something that has been dead and buried long ago!
I agree with Bachmann....the immigrants of the past came here to work, be productive, be part of the American culture, and escape war, poverty, starvation, persecution, etc......many of the immigrants who are coming in now only want handouts, could care less about American culture, and come here for one reason alone....greed!
There's not much to this story if you don't give us the student's side of it. Just listing off Bachmann's position does little for those who don't know what happened, like most of us, to give the context. The one quote that the article DOES give has nothing to do with what questions he was asking, what she's responding to, etc. It doesn't really sound like a "heated" exchange by the information given in this article.
@peteMT - do yourself a favor. Turn off Fox and get a clue. These illegals do the jobs Americans won't do anymore because employers wont pay them a decent wage. These folks that come here will work for below minimum wage and are happy to be able to provide food for themselves and their families. Stop the g--damn hating and learn things about life. I can't believe how Fox has people brainwashed.
tonybeerm - whoops!
I don't watch Fox news. I can't even tell you the last time I even LANDED on Fox news.
Look, we know why they are here. Why are YOU turning this into a hate issue?
Why do we even have laws? Why a border? What's the point?
Answer those questions before you start trying (and emphasis on trying) to turn this into a hate issue!
I would rather we grant everyone here citizenship and let them keep working, and seal the border to further illegal immigrants until our 10-25% unemployment rate drops.
Maybe when Americans are hungry enough, they'll work these jobs. Maybe then they'll get angry enough to wonder why the pay is so terrible. Maybe they'll... gasp... organize and vote and work to fix things HERE?
Better yet, Pete. Why don't we punish those who hire illegal people? Seems like that would be a logical place to start since they aren't going anywhere. Illegals usually travel light and carry no identification, but businesses have to register, etc., etc. Looks like maybe we want the same thing. The difference is that I don't hate people for wanting to better themselves. From what I've seen and heard, most of these folks work harder and longer hours than most here are willing to do. And it's only a hate issue because those on the right choose it to be. They have no clue as to what happens when someone is detained for illegal immigration. They don't just march them to the border and throw them across. It's very costly to keep all of these people locked up until their fate is determined. Seems like a waste of money to me. Like I said, turn off the spigot and the water stops flowing.
tony, that's an excellent point.
But, really, why do you assume I hate them for wanting better lives? I never said such a thing. I think a lot on here certainly imply that they hate them.
CXM: As a child of immigrant parents, I can honestly say that children would know if their parents are in the country illegally. They are told at a very early age to keep things quiet. They will not speak up in class for fear they may say something. For you to say that it is some "elementary" style game is completely false. For you to think they are not in on it is also a falsehood.
That dude is confused, he is not a Democrat, he is teabagger light. He wants the president to service the Latinos to the exclusion of all other problems.
He is not satisfied that the president fought the teabaggers to get a Latino on the Supreme Court.
Go ahead and vote for the used tea bags, they are getting the trains ready to take you and your family south to the Mexican Border.
That dude wanted only a picture with a candidate to become famous in Mexico; he got it, and he will make many copies to make money there. That's it. Besides, he is not a Democrat; he is an opportunist. I don't trust that chiwawa...
JCJ: not much of a reader OR a thinker are you? That "chiwawa" dude you spew your racist hatred toward is a second generation American. You could take some lessons from one.
JCJ? You had me right up to 'chiwawa'... Tacky...
Oh really??!! And just how did he pull that off.....since Sotomayor was appointed in 2009, but the Tea Party did not form until 2010! Great job of fact checking, genius.
The beginnings of what is now call the Tea Party started in 2008. There was no formal name but many of the ideas the party was founded on were used to organize demonstrations across the country. Then in Feb. of 2009 Rick Santelli had his hissyfit on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and suggested that there be a "tea party" type demonstration for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1, 2009. Thus the start of the non-party called the Tea Party came in Feb. of 2009. And as yet there is no official political party called the "Tea Party". Just a loosely formed group of people calling themselves Tea Party.
Sonya Sotomayor was confirmed on Aug. 6, 2009 and sworn in on Aug. 9,2009.
Now, I think Feb. comes before Aug so Obamanatic is correct.
Don't know about you, but I was observing the birth of the Tea Party(s) movement during the 2008 election. Remember the "he's a Muslim!" wacko lady in red at the McCain town hall. Remember the "he's a traitor!" and "kill him!" yelled by the crowd at Pailin events. Yep. Roots to be proud of.
The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event of American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters with libertarian and conservative viewpoints. It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier. The libertarian theme of the "tea party" protest has also been used by Republican Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters during fundraising events in the primaries of the 2008 presidential campaign to emphasize Paul's fiscal conservatism, which they later claimed laid the groundwork for the modern-day Tea Party movement, although many of them also claim their movement has been hijacked by neoconservatives.[25][26][27][28][29] Trevor Leach, the New York Chairman of Young Americans for Liberty, a student organization that branched off of Students for Paul and Campaign for Liberty with the endorsement of Congressman Ron Paul, organized a protest on January 24, 2009 with participants dressing in Native American costumes and dumping soft drinks into Binghamton, New York's Susquehanna River in protest of former NY Governor David Paterson's proposed 18% tax increase on soda. As home mortgage foreclosures increased, and details of the 2009 stimulus bill became known, organized protests began to emerge. The character of the Tea Parties has since diverged significantly from Paul's anti-war and libertarian focus, and Paul has stated that "neocons" who do not accept his policies have become more prevalent in the protests.[
personally I believe they are more of an astroturfing group than a grass roots group
btw ( Faking a grassroots movement is known as astroturfing. Astroturfing, as the name suggests, is named after AstroTurf, a brand of artificial grass. Astroturfing means pretending to be a grassroots movement, when in reality the agenda and strategy is controlled by a hidden, non-grassroots organization. In this manner, a faux show is presented, consisting of individuals pretending to be voicing their own opinions.)
Notice how the Tbaggers always, ALWAYS leave out the iron clad evidence of the fat cat Repub pols that backed and still back the idiots, like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers.
Because putting together an immigration policy tailored for a state with a majority minority population like Texas is simply not conducive to hysterical anti-immigrant rhetoric from the Tea Party and Bachmann, right? Forget the federal government telling states what to do. We have the Tea Party there to slap the wrists of even the most conservative politicians when they stray from the extremist line mandated by the GOP base. And Perry's "heretic" immigration policy was hardly lenient or "soft" on Hispanics. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
There is nothing hysterical about believing in following the law. There is nothing extremist about following the law.
The Obama administration has deported a record number of ILLEGAL immigrants.
It is scary how dim witted some liberals are regarding the law.
Civil society requires we live by the law. If you want a different outcome, change the law.
What most of us are more than tired of is an administration with zero solutions except to spend more of our money for their pet causes. Out here in CA our governor signed a new law providing for law breaking non-citizens to take citizens spots in the colleges that we taxpayers pay for.
It is sickening to me to see our own kids and taxpayers disrespected by liberal politicians pandering to illegals.
How could they be "pandering" to illegals since illegals can't vote? Could it be, (oh say it isn't true!!) that there are Americans who think the biggest problem in America today is not that people want to come here to work hard and make a better lives for themselves?? It's sickening to me to see right wing fanatics masquerading as Americans.
By offering them free healthcare, welfare, education, etc. Why else would they be here? The democrats think that all Republicans are rich and that none of us work for a living. The liberals want the country to believe that illegal immigrants deserve as much consideration as those who come here legally. What kind of messed up country is this? If you liberals feel the need to keep the illegal immigrants around so much then you should be paying more in taxes for them.
Ask California why they come here!
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906
The payments, made to illegal immigrants for their U.S. citizen children, included $30 million in food stamps and $22 million from the CalWorks welfare program, according to county figures released Friday by Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.
AP, the problem is that these "hard working" illegal aliens are bankrupting our welfare system, our educational system, and turning what use to be decent paying jobs (I'm not talking about bending over picking strawberries) like construction and landscaping into low paying crap jobs. People like you who masquerade as some sort of patriot sicken me. You would give our country away and let it collapse to foreigners who demand rights in a nation that they are not citizens in is truly pathetic. Try being an illegal alien in Mexico, and while you're at it be sure to look at Mexican immigration policy. Unlike some in the US Mexico realizes the value of keeping their heritage intact and does not let foreigners with a chip on their shoulder come in and destroy that. In Mexico a legal immigrant can't even vote.
Phil Johnson
Bada Bing Bada Boom – Excellent Post!
illegal aliens are bankrupting our welfare system
Prove that. Sounds like a Fox sound bite to me.
There are lots of people who say they believe in folowing the law. But they apply that to illegal immigrants, but not to themselves. The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 says, "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The Fourteenth Amendment is the Law of the Land. Unless it is repealed or itself amended, it stands. You do not get to pick and choose which laws you want to enforce and which you wish to ignore. So trying to follow Alabama's bizarre interpretation of laws while ignoring the Fourteenth Amendment is legally bankrupt and doomed to failure.
The law specifically says that all people within the jurisdiction of the Federal government, which includes not only citizens, but non-citizens and even people in bonded territories, such as Puerto Rico, and the American Virgin Islands, as well as those on US Embassy grounds and military bases in foreign countries. The law cleary says "any person", not US citizens. Period.
The Fourteenth Amendment was passed and ratified because the the vast majority of the people did not want the rhetoric of the day used against not only freed African-Americans, but against the massive wave of European immigrants who were mainly Roman Catholics and Jews. You can look at newspapers of the day and just substitute "Latinos" for "Irish" and "Spanish-speaking" for "Papist" and the words are identical.
Excellent post Phil Johnson!
turn off Fox and so will you, lmfao
So people born here legally should be punished because someone else (their parents) broke a law? I challenge you to name one person whose parents haven't broken the law, and much worse laws than "existing in the wrong place" at that. In any case, if you really want to get into anti-immigration, why not revoke all citizenship except that of native Americans, and relinquish the country to them, since apparently they're the only ones who "belong" here in the first place?
Few Americans comprehend the financial costs of illegal migration into the United States. Like a cancer, it enters the body while proliferating until, at some point, it destroys the integrity of surrounding tissue. Illegal migration sneaks up on legal American taxpayers who work honestly within their system.
At first, communities and individual taxpayers don't notice it. But soon, it grows beyond normalcy toward malignancy.
With in excess of 20 million illegal alien migrants working and living in the United States today, that malignancy spreads out of control in every state where a sizable population of aliens congregates.
When it comes to illegal immigration, the federal government is the biggest deadbeat dad in America.
Net costs to provide services to illegals increased 500 percent in 7 years
My issue with the federal and state government is that they're asking me to spend my taxpayer money on people who don't even belong here."
Under the radar, most Americans don't realize half of illegal aliens work off the books and pay no taxes. With a loss of $300 billion in uncollected IRS income taxes annually. Additionally, migrants yearly send $60 billion in cash remittances back to home countries-thus bleeding the U.S. treasury. "Anchor babies" create another drain on taxpayers' earnings. The average delivery costs $5,000 to $7,000 depending on location. The real kicker occurs when the child gains free access of education K-12 and free breakfast and lunch program for 13 years of schooling. The costs of one year of school average $7,000.00 and the lunch programs, born by American taxpayers, soar into the billions of dollars.
How many illegal children attend U.S. schools? Estimates top 1.5-2.5 million. Factor in birth costs, medical costs for birth defect children, special needs, schooling and lunch programs. Do the math!
An estimated 400,000 to 1,200,000 babies are born in the United States every year to illegal immigrant parents. Those babies receive automatic U.S. citizenship. If citizenship is to have true meaning, someone with no allegiance to the United States should not be able to lay claim to it on behalf of their offspring.
Incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29 percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
As the financial costs grow, few speak about job losses and wages depressed for America's working poor. They head to the unemployment lines, soup kitchens, homelessness and food stamps.
Do not forget the middle class! They suffer job losses in roofing, dry walling, construction, cab driving, landscape, house painting, paving and restaurant work.
No one escapes the ravages of illegal migration. Ask yourself this question. With 20 million migrants doing THIS much damage, what happens to American workers and communities when we add another 10 or 20 million more illegal aliens into our country?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States
Why do people think every hispanic is an illegal my friend works for ice he flys to take illegals to countries in other parts of the world Bachman should change her panties she sound a little uptight.
Hear hear! There is nothing extremist about following the law. How many times have you broken the speed limit? What do you think a judge would do to you if you were brought in front of him or her for breaking the speed limit, uhh...let's say a 1,000 times every year, every year of you driving life. Would he or she still allow you to carry a driver's license? Do you have a driver's license? Have you surrendered it voluntarily? Why not? Don't you believe in following the law and punishing offenders?
So Ms. Bachmann wouldn't do anything for children of illegal immigrants? Is she holding the children responsible for the actions of their parents? I guess we should hold her two oldest children responsible for their parents having more children. Makes about as much sense.
Just fine-- then the state of Minnesota will have a bunch of illiterate ignorant children, more than they have now. At lease my grandchildren and greatgrandchildren didn't fit into that class.
Maybe you should consider a life, if you are on these blogs for ten or twelve straight hours...
Hypocrite...
wilman::: That is a strange comment coming from someone who doesn't have a life and is on these blogs 24/7. I have a life-- working four evenings a week, three hours an evening. Since I have a life, that makes me better than you.
Chris-749391
Actually, it clearly says " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
I will repeat...
again...
That means All persons born or naturalized in the US AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the US.
In other words... NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
What the law says is that any person is entitled to due process and the states cannot make laws that deny due process.
The children of illegals who were brought here as small children have been raised as Americans. They are here through no fault of their own. They broke no law. We have invested in these children and they should be given the chance to contribute fully to American society. The first step would be green cards. If they meet the requirements, citizenship should follow. If deportation is the GOP's idea of conservative compassion, it's pretty meager.
The truth is that illegals do the jobs we won't do, and are often exploited. They put up with it for the chance to make a better life for their kids. They are not bad people for the most part, just desperate.
States which are carrying a heavy burden should be assisted by the feds. The root causes of this problem are being neglected. People will stay in Mexico if there is a reason to do so rather than risk life and limb crossing the border. Fences and walls won't work, although they may kill more people.
Our demand for drugs and weak enforcement of gun laws have contributed to the trouble in Mexico. We have an obligation to help deal with those problems.
You are incorrect. Southern CA is full of illegals. They are the ones working the minimum wage jobs: farm laborers, cleaning hotel rooms, washing dishes, etc. White people are the ones begging on the streets. I see it daily.
I think the republicans are ignorant and uneducated, not rich.
I guess immigration became a liberal issue since a Democrat got elected to the White House and Republicans didn't care about it before 2009. I have one question for Republicans: When Bush II was president and the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, why didn't they fix the immigration problem so it would be a non issue for Obama?
Given that we have millions of real Americans in this country without jobs, without healthcare, without adequate shelter, and given that we have a limited amount of time and resources to help these citizens, can someone give me a rational, intelligent reason why some of our Congressmen/women should be directing efforts that benefit illegals rather than concentrating their efforts on aiding their legal constituents? When I lost my job in 2001, a friend told me to try my local county government because they were hiring. So I went to their webpage, but didn't qualify for any of the jobs. I didn't have the necessary education or experience for about 25% of these (e.g., law enforcement), and I could understand that. But for the other 75%, I had everything required but for one, I wasn't bi-lingual. So here I was, a citizen, having served in the US military, paying taxes in my own county that would not hire me because I did not speak the language of people here illegally. By the way, my county is heavily GOP, so this is not just a DEM issue. And no, I am not making this up. We need to take care of Americans first.
why do people keep blaming the illegal immigrant for "taking jobs". Why don't we blame the people employing them who would rather hire illegals for dirt pay rather than pay a living wage- hey no jobs, no illegals
Nikki-1975634- Your living a fools fallacy of lies, those illegals you speak of as cancer pay mucho taxes, they do so on everything taxable they purchase and consume. please don't argue the income tax element it's non existent. Every one of them earns a wage so far below the minimum standard it would cost us more to process their refunds than they would or could generate, they get no social security benefits, no Medicare or housing assistance. many living 4 to 6 in an 2 bedroom apartment, while sending everything they can to family abroad who are in dire poverty. Most work incredibly hard jobs for wages of less than 8 bucks an hour. they avoid hospitals and doctors out of fear. Take a look at Alabama, all the legals and illegals packed up and moved, you might applaud that, But Tyson chicken certainly isn't, they have jobs for you now, but no one is applying. Where are the workers?
Everyone of them them does not earn a wage far below minimum wage. I guess some might, but plenty don't. They do get assistance because they have kids here, who then qualify for assistance. They do go to hospitals. I applaud that so many illegals left Alabama. The ones that were legal really didnt have anything to worry about, so they didnt really need to leave did they?
Maybe if Tyson didn't employ so many illegal workers, they wouldnt have to worry about their lack of employees... If I were anywhere near there I would apply in a heartbeat.
Only newsworthy item is "Bachman draws only 100 to her campaign rallies." She's becoming even more of a joke than Palin!
But not as much of a joke as Obama!....LOLOLOL!!!
AFTMAN:
But Obama will be re-elected and Bachman will still be a joke....!!!!!!
Has a point. I was a believer in being flexible on immigration until college 1n 1993. I came home to my apartment late night at 2:00 am after working all night graduate school...and found the door security chained and an entire family sleeping on the living room floor. My good friend and roomate it turned out, without my permission, had given haven to his cousin whos husband ran away back to his own country and left her here pregnant. She was in "hiding" for another couple of months until she had the baby so it could become a citizen and she could stay. Don't get me wrong people, I am still friends with this guy and his family and they work harder and contribute more than many 2nd and third generation Americans. However, for every story like this there are single mothers with kids who do not. Worst of all people, my taxes as soon as I got out of school and started working had to support the kid, with my college debts and all. It is ignorant and unfair to not ask me if I was willing to sponsor my roomates cousin and her decision. My grandparents were born here in America in 1917 and worked their entire lives to raise kids and never asked the government for anything. My parents did the same. My other grandfather immigrated and came through Ellis island, and told me himself before he died: This is the best country on earth, and they let me in here, but remember this my grandson: "This country is not for free and you must work for it. No one owes you anything. You must be generous when the time calls for it and lend a hand if asked, and volunteer if you can, BUT you must be stern in your decisions as well. Otherwise, people will take advantage of you and your generosity, and you will not reap what you have worked so hard to sow. This is why I left my home country."
Why is any news outlet still wasting time on this human waste of time?
Glen::: My mother's aunt came through Ellis Island. She became a teacher-- taught for years-- and also was in the healthcare field.
I'm glad you mentioned that about volunteering. I know of people who have retired from a government job but are still young enough to retire-- but they feel they are above that. Me, I wouldn't give up my volunteering for anything. I am 77 years young but have a couple of good years left in me. I have been a volunteer for 20+ years, ever since my husband passed away. All those years have been volunteering for the veterans.
Glen-1484791- I thought your grandfathers dying words were a bit to poetic, so I Googled it too look for word strings and comparatives, my oh my, I think we may have discovered a plagiarist amongst us....huh?
“I did—my immigrant family came here in the 1850s, and they came into the United States legally. They received zero benefits.”
They should've been shipped back to Tardsylvania.
Besides she and her husband have taken enough goverment money thru his psycho practice to make up for it.
DaddyG, I would take offense at that as a counselor myself but in the Bachmann's case I agree 100%+... He used his position to guide kids in need to live with them, not to help the kids but to gain a healthy state paycheck. They are greedy and no where near my definition of Christian. Every time I hear her spew I just want to plug my ears. It embarrasses me as a woman that she is so lacking in integrity and intelligence.
As a Republican, I feel the same way everytime Obama speaks. He is in no way a christian.
Which is not a bad thing at all, Unhappy, given the fact the lunatics who are posing as wannabe Republican Candidates have been slap fighting for weeks over their religious affiliations and virtually ignoring real issues. If they spent as much time on genuine issues as they have on their Sunday schools, we would actually know what they are standing for.
It's probably just as well, though...
Here we go again. MSNBC gives press to all the GOP candidates except Newt. Do they know where Newt is? Nooo! Do they care where Newt is? Noo! Do they know or care what Newt is doing? Nooo! I warn you MSNBC. Newt is capable of much mischief! I'll venture He's either committing or planning some. Newt is cunning. I wouldn't trust an "unaccountable Newt" in an abandoned 2 holer wearing a "lip lock muzzel".
Sailcat: Well I guess it is now easier for you democrats then. We all knew Obama was crazy before he took office. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. We also knew he wouldn't keep any of his promises either. All that training in church apparently didn't cut it.
Like everything else, we republicans will try to pick out the candidate that is the least crazy. What else can we do?
Newt's wife is a liability - an Imelda or Evita just waiting in the wings. Kind of like Jeb's Mexican wife who got nailed trying to not declare her shopping trip items through Customs. Ugh - worse than even Nancy Reagan.
However, the Bush dynasty is not quite done. George Bush - grandson of George Bush the First - a lawyer and Hispanic - he'll be up to bat in a few years. That should be interesting.
Hey...unhappy...
Just because Obama doesn't suck Jesus's cock every night is no reason not to call him a Christian!
And this is the best advice you liberals have to offer? I always knew you liberals were low class, this proves it!
Ah, Caligula, you are as class an act as your namesake was. Obama's religious leanings aren't important; neither is what he does or doesn't suck. His complete inability to lead this country from the front is. We need some of what the military calls, Command Guidance. This country exists in hostile territory; we need someone who recognizes this and will act accordingly. We need a humane policy on illegal immigration. No one has one. It's either deport 'em all or give them amnesty and register them as Democrats. Neither one will fly.
What you need Mike is a good swift kick in the doopa. Take your racism dfown the road- like Mexico-
but even there you'd be an undesirable.
JIm: Mike is correct.
Unhappy-1583758- What is it that Obama says that makes you think he's not a Christian, I really can't wait to hear your explanation. it should be very interesting.
Hey Unhappy, hope you stay that way. Were you aware that Obama has checked off about 60% of his pre-election punch list? How many more things does he have to do to convince you he's on a mission, one hes delivered 60% of already? Four more years and he'll accomplish the other 40% and a few more to boot. Ride it out and stay unhappy, your going too be pouting like that for the next 63 months....Peace
Nicely played, Jeff!
Who cares what religion he is? Why does it matter? This is a free nation. There is no requirement to be christian in order to be president. Also, what has he said that has made you think he wasn't christian. Everytime I hear him speak, he doesnt usually talk about religion... Or is that why? Because he doesnt claim to know what god wants of him, or this country at every speech?
When parents commit a crime I say punish their kids, sooner or later these kids will learn that it is they who must prevent their parents from committing crimes. For economics it has always been trickle down theory now Bachmann has a new trickle up theory of crime and punishment, of course there is still the little matter of the Constitution, which she loves so much still says if they are born here they are a US citizen.
Those kids can get a free education in Mexico. We are having enough trouble coming up with money to educate our own citizens, much less those from other nations. I can't stand Bachmann but this idea that we can let people disregard the law and give them some sort of support system has to end.
The question was about american born children of illegals. You miss the point with your statement.
Phil Johnson, you don't get it, there is plenty of money, it's just in the wrong hands to do any good. You have bought the story hook, line and sinker, your a libertarian now, you just needed too be told.......
This woman is another disgrace for America, no better than Palin. Have her move to Alaska too, where she can see Russia from her bathroom.
You are a freaking ass hole Democrap, and only see this freaking monkey you freaking voted for that is distroying my (not yours) country, you freaking commie dirt bag. Hans you are a nothing piece of crap and the only thing you see from your bathroom is the @!$%# that is thrown at an remarkable woman we have running for office, win or lose. Wake the @!$%# up you pin headed ass. God Bless America, and down with Hans, ( The world ass).
Hans, why don't you go back to Norway and your socialist society.
Great Clark: now "socialist" means anyone that's not a far right wing extremist?? Sig Heil...
@Clark:
By any chance did you check the standard of life in Norway compared to USA????
You'll be amazed... and BTW, the world doesn't ends in the Rio Grande....
Why don't you liberals go back to your own countries and leave america for those who obey all of its laws, not just the ones you agree with.
You know, Unhappy, you are definitely going to live up to your handle next year after Obama's inevitable reelection. You should choose another handle that will more accurately describe your mood, like Loser or Blithering Idiot. I bet those are still available, too!
Hope this helps!
You're basically assuming he will be re-elected. People who will re-elect Obama are just being lazy. They know they don't have any other candidates to back them up and so they just will give up and continue to pray for another four years that he doesn't screw us up even more.
It seems to me that democrats are easily pissed off. I know by your other comments that you are also a racist. Name-calling and racism. Doesn't seem to fit in with the democratic party does it? ( however, it does seem to match all the democrats that post on this site)
Next time you should try and learn to use your words.......
Sailcat - I lol'd!
hey unhappy why dont you go back to your country because Mine is America where we have freedom of choice
Bachmann is still here. Send her off already. Far away with no media connection.
No, let her stay. I think she is secretly working for Obama.
Unhappy::: What does the republithug party have to offer? Let's see, there is a pizza man (who wears a black hat like the bad men did) who says we should tax the poor if they want to buy something new. I sure as h**l am not going to accept ANY used gum or candy from him go give to "my guys" (who are REAL veterans). Then there is that female who wants to punish the children for what their parents have done by not taking care of the children. She wants a nation of ignorant kids, sick kids-- and they can't get medical care.
Least crazy? I guess that would eliminate my cat-- he is smarter than any of the republithug candidates.
Susie: What have the democrats done except drive us into more debt? Obama's put us in a recession that already is taking years to get out of. Even with the Carter administration delusional state, Reagan got us out in less than 3 years. I thought being a socialist was so much better?
Unless you think that you have the right to hard earned money from someone else, your logic is off. But hey if you want to help people in need, why don't you? The money shouldn't have to be taken away from you by force. Or don't you believe in hard work anymore?
Unhappy::: What ever happened to the surplus we had when Clinton left office and Shrub got his hands on it? Why didn't Shrub plug the expenses for HIS wars into the budgets-- oh that's right, he wanted his budgets to look squeaky clean. Yet he had "emergencies" pop up every month because of HIS wars-- I didn't think emergencies were such an ongoing monthly thing.
I don't believe in hard work any more-- I am 77 years old and can't be on my feet all that much. But I am doing something constructive-- I volunteer four evenings a week, three hours an evening. At the front desk at a vet center-- a Department of Veterans Affairs vet center. And in November 2009 I put in 98 hours volunteering there. Or don't you believe in volunteering. I'm sure you don't and never will.
The recession started before Obama was even elected. Obama also hasn't been president for 3 yrs. Just an FYI...
Aguillon complains that President Obama ..... hasn't been hard enough on Wall Street. He says, of Obama: "He's not enough of a fighter to be my president right now."  I suspect that this statement is one big reason Obama is down in the polls. But the Republicans like to use his low poll numbers as a sign that "America" (meaning most Americans) are siding with them on the issues, when in reality they are not. No matter what you may feel about Obama you would have to admit that at least some of his low poll number are because of this reason
Obama is PRO Illegal Immigration and has NO Policy. He also disregards Court ordered deportation of many illegals...not sure how he's picking the ones he wants to stay, but he is. The President should at least abide by the Law of the Land, and stop being a Dictator. Anyone is better than he is.
Gee Clark: do much fact checking?? This President you love to hate has deported more illegals in his administration than the last two Presidents combined...but don't let the facts stand in your way. (maybe the second Obama term will actually give you time to come up with some real facts.)
Clark: Did you stop taking those pills that make you hallucinate????
Did the "state police" came to your house because of your stupid rantings against the government?
Did the government canceled or suppressed any of your liberties to be an a$$???
Did the administration forbid you to leave the country???
If all this answers are NO, can you tell me how in the hell this President is a dictator when all your liberties are intact?????
Do you have any idea what a dictator is?????
Stop taking those pills, or at least read the label to know the side effects, it blurs your brain....
AP: Stopping illegals at the border doesn't count! ( Maybe you should look at your research)!
Clark - you lie!
Remember these trolls are either just plain stupid or paid shills for the GOP brown shirts. The common thread here and every day is that they are simply racists and we all know that its true. They excel at stupid comments and blaming Obama for everything. What cracks me up is the absurd predictions of the upcoming election. How many of these buffoons will be here the morning of Nov. 5th, crowing about the ignominious defeat that is surely coming from the middle class they daily abuse? Since they hate MSNBC why do they bother to comment here? I seriously doubt any of them have any real thoughts on how to fix the mess they made since Reagan. In fact I'll bet each one of them is actually that rectum Ron Christie from token GOP black central.
Your exactly right Donnygull 2. Now I don't know what they do with the rectum and I don't want to know either, I'm sure they got that all mixed up too. All I know is that I'll be back here on the 5th of Nov. til the inauguration and anytime President Obama makes a big decision or signs a new bill, I will be here just to hear the repubes and teanuts cry, LMFAO. Beautiful. But the truth did come out about them and its something this country needs to know. Hopefull the voters will vote a straight democrat ticket and get this country back where it belongs again. I think after Obama, Hillary will take the helm for 8 more yrs and by then we'll be in good shape again. Yeah its been one heck of a ride for the repubes trying to find a candidate. Not like when the dems were looking for a candidate but then again after Busch even Pee Wee Herman would of won had he been a democrat, which I doubt, lol. Pee Wee has to be a repube, lol. Good luck to the repubes and teanuts, they're going to need it real bad. Heck luck won't even help them with the crew they have, lol. LOSERS all of them. Well thats something they are good at. LOSERS
People comment here because it is not like we have another choice on the news for Internet Explorer. Trust me if we did, you would see us gone.
Unhappy: You always have FAUX.... and you can find the same ilk there......
??? Internet explorer doesnt allow you to go to any other news site beside MSNBC?!?!?!
1 - several years ago, I was able to access whatever site I wanted on internet explorer... I guess maybe thats changed, because it has been awhile, but I just find that really weird...
2 - If I had a browser that wouldnt let me browse any news site but one, I would go to a different browser... I suggest Chrome personally, but there are several to choose from.
Well, according to Mr. Aguillon, Mexico is so broken that we can't return their citizens. Is it time for the Iraq solution where we march in to rebuild the country?
In fact, I recently read that Mexican Govt. Officials are complaining that we are "dumping" Mexican Criminals at border towns. So, we're kicking felons back to their country, and their own country is complaining about it. Border towns have crime sprees along the entire border now.
Isn't that policy worthless?
Cid, I believe Michelle Bachmann is an alcoholic boozehound dope addict. She dosen't know anything. She is so far out in right field, she dosen't even know the games being played without her. Give me Sarah Palin, she's beautiful. I love you Sarah. Sarah Palin would leave politics after spending a night with me. Sarah would realize politics is for losers. She wouldn't want anything else to do with it when I'm done with her. Oh yeah Sarah lets get ourselves a nice cabin in Alaska and do what comes naturally for us. You don't need to be around these dummies, they just make you look bad.
Joe::: Last name "Plumber", middle name "The"?
Again Michelle has to learn history, theer was no way to be a illegal immigrant 150 years ago. Yes we all came from immigrants and most ca,e here with vey little. I think Michelle should go read the inscription on the statue of Liberty
Most of the illegals were talking about don't even know where the statue of liberty is
and I doubt many of the so called "Americans" on this board know either...or what the inscription on it says
Dave, I might agree with you, but first I think you need to learn to spell.
The Statue of Liberty has shoulders doesn't it? To me that means that there is a limit to anything and everything. Why can't people come here legally instead of jumping the border and giving people a bad impression of them? Just because illegals work for half the going rate at many landscaping and construction jobs that causes many people hardships like losing their home etc. and at the same time have babies one after the other that the expense of legal citizens is no reason for people to be pissed is it? God forbid that the deadbeat politicians we elected to office do anything about this.
Soon it will be time for the peasants to put down their tools and go to the White House and tell our elected officials how we feel about all of this. I'm sick and tired of all the illegals doing all the protesting.
Um, the ONLY "inscription" on the Statue of Liberty herself is "July 4, 1776" (the year in Roman numerals).
And Dave, your'e correct about history, but so is Bachman. Immigration in the 1850s wasn't regulated (unlike now). Therefore, comparing "legality" in two vastly different eras is moot. When a law exists and you choose to break it, you are still a criminal. If there's no law on the books, you can't be a criminal regarding the action/inactivity. Clearly, illegal immigration has a legal definition and social/moral need for adherance.
AP-1414066
"Give me your tired, your poor... Send... the homeless... to me..."
I will absorb them into our nation of millions of already tired, poor and homeless citizens.
Send me your wretched refuse, illegal immigrants, so they can scoff at our laws.
Send all these to me so that together we can feign our equality and become servants of the rich.
I love Sarah Palin. She's beautiful. Oh would I work her over, she would be numb when I got done with her. She wouldn't care about politics in the least when I got done with her. Oh yeah baby. I think she and I need to get ourselves a nice cabin in Alaska and get the cabin supplied with everything we need for about 5 months. Oh yeah, that would be pure heavenly bliss for us and especially her. We can wash her Victoria Secret undies in the snow and throw another log on the fire so its gets real nice and hot in the cabin. I'd have her doing things she never even imagine before. Well with her husband what do you expect, he's a loser. She needs to be with me. I'd make her feel like a real women. No more politics for Sarah once she spends a week with me, she'd realize politics is for losers like Michelle Bachmann. Oh yeah this article is about Michelle Bachmann, wow what a loser she is. Theiving the government with her husband's business. Imagine that, thinking her husband has a legitimate business? Please thats got to be the biggest joke I've ever heard, I bet they pay people to go to him, so they can rob the government. Yeah she's a complete loser. Give me Sarah Palin, I love her, she's beautiful.
Rep. Bachmann, will you deport Senator Marco Rubio, who was born in the US before his parents became citizens?
Yes indeed that is the question, is it time to deport Rubio Ms. Bachmann, I like the way you think sir.
All you libs are just plain retarded mentally.
If you read her comments she is NOT referring to children born here but rather children who were brought here illegally by their also illegal parents. I think Bachmann is a twit and definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer but this time she got it right. There should be no benefits for illegal immigrants no matter when they arrived.
JohnFenner-2256270
I wholeheartedly agree; Florida should have a recall election for the Senate seat that Marco Rubio unjustly holds.
What you planning on doing? Putting a three-year-old in jail because her mother and father brought her across the border?
How about sending her and her parents back to the country they came from? We spend so much money on deporting illegals simply because the govt. is too lenient once they get into the country. If they know from the very beginning that there is no way to amnesty, they will leave no matter what.
This nut job woman just continues to torpedo her own boat!
We have to secure the border before debating what should be done with non criminal, productive, illegal immigrants.
Sounds nice...I hope this happens before California goes bankrupt! You hang on tho-
"secure the border' is dog whistle for just leave things as they are because it's highly profitable. The illegals in this nonsense are the people who employ them. If anything sensible was done, they would have to pay benefits, social security, overtime. define working hours- you know- treat them like human beings. most of the rants above seem to indicate that the migrants are just here to suck up welfare.
What would Jesus do?
Well I think I know what Jesus would do, thats who you mean right, God son? Now Jesus is spanish too and maybe a drug kingpin, well if thats what you mean then I don't know what he would do. Probably come in shooting. But don't ask me what I would do with Sarah Palin. I love her, she's beautiful. I just hope she's not a woodsy outdoors lady that dosen't do the maintenace on herself. In my fantasies she has cute painted toe nails, I usually have them a bright red and everything about her would be sexy. I would love to take her to Victoria's Secret. She is beautiful and I would make her feel like a beautiful women. Every republican women would be jealous of her if she went and told them what I do to her, to make her feel like a beautiful women, that she is, oh yeah. Thats one fine looking lady there. I love you, Sarah.
Joe::: The Plumber? You still have visions of grandeur? You said you were a plumber, but you had no license. You're still living in a fantasy world? Dream on, wishful thinker.
She gets dumber by the day. She's at the bottom of the polls. It's a wonder she even shows up on them at all. But insignificant as she may be CBS, do us a favor and keep the stories coming. After all, we still need a laugh now and then.
I would of said "send the little beaners back, where they are legal."
I have an idea, we build a wall completely along the border and shoot anyone who tries to leave or come in illegally. wait they did that in Berlin and all of the other countries that were occupied by the soviet union
They built the wall to keep them in. Idiot
Wow, Doug, an unexpected intelligent comment amongst the drivel
Dave-3030238
Yeah they did; and it worked (before they mutually decided to tear it down) didn’t it!
I don't get it, where was the teanut party when Reagan was in office. He let more illegals in than Carter has pills. I guess theres going to be a lot of things I won't understand, because of the teanuts just doing as they please when they please and not having a base to any of it. Nothing concret for me to base my decision on. Lies, more lies, confuse me. Nothing they do makes sense. Now I think that Michelle Bachmann is a dope addict and possibly an alcoholic boozehound too. So theres no use even trying to comprehend her thinking. I ain't nothing but a boozehound, so just stay off of my blue suede shoes. Oh yeahhhhhh. You go girl, get them votes, lol. I wonder what Sarah Palin is doing today, mmmm I like her, she's cute.
Bachmann go away, thank you ?
I wouldn't do anything for them either. With the exception of deportation.
If the kids were born on US soil they are citizens how do you deport a US citizen?
If you bothered to be informed Forrest, you would know that the new argument is now jurisdiction. The "anchor baby" argument may soon be null and void.
Times.....they are a changin'.
If legal Americans don't fight for their own country who will? The politicians are giving this country away both Dems. and Repubs. If she said what was in her heart then she isn't a liar as I believe she is right on this issue. If McCain was more of a Conservative on this issue alone he would have won the last election IMO.
We have other foreign nationals(mostly Chinese) coming from all over the world just to give birth to their babies on US soil and that must stop also. This BS about anchor baby's is that, BS. We must enforce the Constitution or this country as we once knew it will disappear.
For:
The Constitution doesn't make any difference between legal or illegal on the 14th Amendment.
Enforcing the Constitution means that anybody born in USA, regardless of the immigration status is an American Citizen by birth, ergo, you can't deport an American Citizen.....
Can you????
I'm with you hernan it would take a constitutional amendment, it is not a matter of jurisdiction.
Neither parent is here on US soil legally and only came here to give birth to have an anchor or claim. The 14 th Amendment is their only to protect Indians and slaves along with their offspring the right to citizenship nothing else and for no other reason. Other nationals including Chinese are now coming here just to have anchor babies which IMHO is pure BS.
If the 14th Amendment isn't enforced the way it was intended it will be possible for a foreign country to invade without firing a shot. This country has be abused in every possible way and it is time for this to stop. Though I have little in common in Bachmann and her views I believe she is right on this one.
Bottom line is that Mexican's are subjects of Mexico and not the US so why shouldn't their offspring be subjects of Mexico. They are here illegally so they should just GO HOME AND STAY THERE!!!
How many men and women were born to immigrants legal and illegal over the years in this country and we afforded citizenship on the sole basis that they were born on US soil, it has never been interpreted in the manner you describe, because it is not, and never will be a matter of jurisdiction, if you are born on US soil you are a US citizen period. It would take a constitutional amendment to change that fact.
This is going to be argued shortly in the Supreme Court and I sure hope it goes for strict interpretation of the Constitution of ONLY AMERICAN INDIANS AND SLAVES. All other invaders and their offspring can go home and I don't give a damn if it's five generations back. If you came here illegally and decided to right your own ticket here then just go home. People that break the law to get into this country have no right to do so and if the laws need to be rewritten then Congress will do it and not illegals.
So, are you saying that the Tea Party people who so love the Constitution, are going to change it?
Ford Man, what if you find out your grandparents came here illegally? Tyoull leave the country and go back to where they came fom?
It's not that simple. The citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment was to overturn the Dred Scott opinion and grant slaves citizenship but not for Indians. They were not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. That was corrected in the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
Subject to US jurisdiction means you are accountable to our laws. Indians in 1865 were not since the tribes were considered sovereign nations. Children of diplomats are still not considered American citizens even if born here, because the diplomat is subject to his or her own countries laws not ours. An illegal immigrant is still subject to our laws. Unlike the law governing diplomats or the Indian nations, illegal immigrants are just that, illegal not immune. Therefore illegal immigrants are still subject to our laws which is why we can detain, fine, and deport them. If they weren't subject to US jurisdiction we wouldn't have the right to do so.
And I would temper your demand for a "strict interpretation" as doing so would nullify the doctrine of incorporation since it's nowhere to be found in the 14th Amendment. That means you have no First through Eighth Amendment rights unless your state has its own parallel law.
For a brief, yet insightful, look at the 14th Amendment:
http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/page/fourteenth-amendment
Will Marco Rubio be deported, do you consider him valid as an elected representative of the US because he is an anchor baby, better be real careful with your new definitions.
There is virtually no chance the 14th Amendment will be rewritten...would require three-quarters of states to ratify a joint resolution.
That's not happening. An American born son of Chinese immigrants already took this to court, and won. The more things change the more they remain the same. Deja vu, all over again, below, just change the characters - the script stays the same.
Debatepedia...(google)
"The most serious challenge to birthright citizenship for the children of aliens came in 1898, and it involved a class of aliens who were every bit as unpopular as present-day illegal immigrants: the Chinese. Like most illegal immigrants today, the Chinese came here to work as common laborers, eagerly recruited by employers but often deeply resented by the workers with whom they competed. This popular resentment, coupled with racial prejudice, led to America's first immigration restriction law, the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. It was followed by successively more restrictive federal and state laws that denied Chinese aliens—and, later, other Asians—the right to own property, to marry, to return to the U.S. if they left, or to become American citizens.
With anti-Chinese alien sentiment still high, the Supreme Court took up the case U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898. Born in San Francisco to alien parents who later returned to China, Wong travelled to his parents' homeland for a visit and was denied re-entry on his return in 1895. The government argued (and lost) that Wong had no right to birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment because his parents remained "subjects of the emperor of China" not subject to U.S. jurisdiction, even while residing in California at the time of his birth. In a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court ruled otherwise.
Are we doomed to repeat this, a hundred years later??
It's doubtful because not even the Republican Party relishes the idea of beating its hard head on constitutional reform. Especially reform that would be very unpopular with the electorate.
It is well known that a person born in the United States is an automatic citizen regardless of the mother's citizenship status. However, the United States is unusual in its offer of citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil. Only a few European countries still grant automatic citizenship at birth. The United Kingdom and Australia repealed their U.S. style policy in the 1980s after witnessing abuses similar to those plaguing the U.S. today. Why does the United States continue to allow a practice subject to widespread fraud? The answer lies in how American jurisprudence has interpreted the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
The 14th Amendment was added to the Constitution as part of the post Civil War reforms aimed at addressing injustices to African Americans. It states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States" and was crafted so that state governments could never deny citizenship to anyone born in the United States. However, when the amendment was crafted, the United States had no immigration policy, and thus the authors saw no need to state explicitly, what they believed was understood. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. In the case of illegal aliens who are temporarily or unlawfully in the United States, because their native country has a claim of allegiance to the child, the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship.
Illegals do not fall under the jurisdiction of the United States as stated in the post above #19.15 therefor their right to be here is flawed as is your argument. If the US continues interpret the 14th Amendment the way it is now it would be possible for a foreign country to reseed the general population amounting to a takeover of this country as we know it.
Time for the politicians to get off their dead as-es and do the right thing for it's rightful citizens and make it a crime to hire illegals for any purpose. I think it is an insult to receive a sample voting ballot that is half written in Spanish.
Please go home and show some pride in yourself.
First off, No politician is advocating revoking citizenship or deporting a US citizen regardless of their parents immigration status. The children being discussed are children born in another country (Mexico) whose parents brought them here as babies and young children. Essentially illegal immigrants raised here by their illegal parents. So any discussion of deporting Senator Rubio is pure fallacy and shows the ignorance of any person who tries to claim it. Second to Ford Man. Do you realize that more than a third of this countries land was once part of Mexico. In addition many of the people that lived in those areas became Americans overnight in 1848. Like it or not Spanish, French and English are all native languages for the United States.
Ok, then how come they can't deport Michelle Bachmann? I'm having a hard time believing she's still trying to run for the nomination to run for POTUS. Can you even imagine if she was on the ticket to run against President Obama? The repubes and teanuts would be voting for Obama again. Well maybe not every teanut, but I bet the majority of them would. You almost know they'd be making a movie out of that election. I wonder who they would pick to play Michelle Bachmann? Whos that actress that played in "Born Killers"? She would be the perfect choice to play Michelle in the movie. Oh wow I'm laughing so hard I can't type, lol. What a LOSER she is and she is still in the gop race. Now wouldn't the NRC chairman go to her and just tell her that its just not feasable for her to continue to run, but you know maybe he already did tell her. Oh well its a few jobs for the economy. Even funnier if she would go to President Obama's inauguration and think she won the election like in some comedy, hey I can see it, she's out there so I wouldn't put it past her to do something like that. She'd be ranting and raving that the people that voted made a mistake and it was her they really wanted to be president, lol. Well she's good for making me laugh, maybe she should of been a comedian and missed her true calling in life. Then thats what makes her funny to start with, she takes herself more seriously than the rest of the country. Good luck LOSERS. Obama in 2012.
What a stupid blog this is!
The anchor baby is legally a US Citizen under the constitution, and perhaps that is something that needs be changed-Did you all miss the articles last week on the industry of having wealthy foreigners come here to "lodge" and have their needs catered to while they wait for their babies to born on American soil? This means that they well have the money and resources and even the education to go about proper American citizenship, but they are choosing to "be a tourist" during their last trimester to insure that their babies are born as Americans and have access to all the rights and priveleges of American citizens. The articles further stated that they take these children back to the country of the parent's origin until the child is old enough to benefit from our colleges and universities or until their is a health need. That is another abuse of the concept of native born American Citizen, not what was originally intended to be protected by our government. Yes, the children are citizens, so let them be American citizens and be raised by legal citizens to fulfill their responsibilities to their country as well as to take of the advantages.
So ... an invader without a gun is no big deal? So ... if Hitler went into Poland but just walked in without any weapons Poland wouldn't have had any complaints? Â Defending one's borders does not a racist make.
Well, there are a lot of racist xenophobes on this thread. Not all the immigrants who come into the U.S.A come in by hopping over a fence. The majority (wow I know for some of you that's a crazy idea) come in through LEGAL channels like an AIRPLANE. In addition, undocumented immigrants are NOT ALL FROM MEXICO! You all never question the legality of an immigrant of European descent and, instead, scapegoat Latinos/as. Before stating racist opinions, read the facts.
This was posted earlier to day so don't think this problem is just Hispanic's it's all races, even people that come here to kill us. Remember 9/11? I seem to remember visa's had run out on a few.
This is a bunch of crap! I never thought we would have a President that wouldn't enforce our laws. This alone should make him lose the race in 2012. I don't care if he finds everyone a job in this country. Say Goodbye to middle class jobs. I guess he hasn't been told how this action hurts the Auto Repair Market, Construction, Restaurant, and some human services jobs like my wife is in. Let them go to college on our tax dollars and we will see white collar jobs pay scale drop in half also. While working in California in 1992-1996 in construction, I got to know 2 drywall guys from Canada that had a business doing Drywall on multimillion dollar homes. One Friday they didn't show up to prepare a section I needed done for Monday and when I asked the GC what was going on, he told me they had been deported but not to worry because they would be back Monday and sure enough they where. I asked them about it and they said yes they got deported to Mexico the closest border which was cool with them because we worked in New Port Beach, 2 1/2 hours from the border. In order to turn them in you have to know who, where and when so INS can find them. I did what I could to help. ARE YOU? I was hoping that by moving to Ohio, I wouldn't have to deal with illegal's taking my and my wife's work from us but that's not the case. I was asked to take a 15% an hour cut so our cost would be more competitive with companies hiring illegals. THIS BS NEEDS TO STOP! The President also received a copy of this. When are we going to start Protecting American's Jobs? There's is a fraise you can use on your next campaign. Protection American's Jobs, Mr. President
Confussed ........... What a liar you are. You have never ran a job in your life. You are the janitor sweeping up drywall scraps because you are not skilled enough to hang it.
No wonder you're confussed....you can't seem to understand some very basic concepts...
More illegals have been deported under this President than during BOTH administrations of your hero Bush. Yeah. Look it up. And those "VISAS" that ran out from the guys that came here to kill us were not legal, they didn't run out and they were SAUDI's who entered the country from CANADA. When are we going to start protecting common sense? When are you going to stop blaming everyone ELSE for the fact you can't be competitive in the work place? Try looking in the mirror...
Well said. Stop trying to blame the countries problems on our neighbors from the south. Illegal Immigrants have been coming over here for hundreds of years!!!
You need to look past the bs this administration feeds you and find out the facts. Yeah, look it up.
Look up the fact that St. Reagan gave 11 million illegal aliens amnesty in one shot.
I'll bet if the president or democrats submitted an immigration bill it would sail right through Congress and get passed, I know the republicans would want to share the credit with the president for accomplishing that goal, right. However I think republicans in the house did submit a bill that calls for all anchor babies to be renamed Ronald Reagan after their parents are deported.
It was 3 million forrest. Give or take a couple hundred thousand.
Are you illegal? You have the feel of being illegal. Your grasp of facts seem a little tenuous. Like someone who doesn't really know our history. Or maybe just liberal?
How many illegal Latino's are there here in this country vs and other nationals? 12-15 MILLION? You would wonder why when people mention "illegals" people think of Mexican's? I have no clue.
I do know one thing though. If illegals were allowed to stay here but never given the right to vote or become American citizens, the Dems. would be the first ones to show you the door.
It has gotten to the point that I know people that cheat on their taxes and think it is OK because the country only enforces the laws it wants to. Earache Holder is the biggest joke going right now along with this buddy Obama.
It was 11 million Doug, but the number is not the important point I just wanted you to admit he did it, he told millions of lawbreakers it was cool with him, and it was cool with the republican party, no harm, no foul, of course they could stay. I guess Reagen was a liberal Socialist. I mean a lot of liberals talk that amenisty crap but Reagen is the only guy I ever knew to actually grant millions of illegal alliens amenesty.
I am an anchor Daddy, I am a legal citizen, but my kids were born in Canada because as a liberal I like free stuff so I sneaked the wife up to Canada every time we had a kid, because they have government provided health care, so like I said we are anchor parents, we are legal US citizens, but the kids are not, they just stayed around because we fed, clothed, and educated them. Nobody can really tell they are illegal they pretty much learned to blend in. Hell I figured if I ever got caught, the way I played it the kids would get deported and me and the wife would get to stay here. Ha you kill me Doug. A couple of months ago I was a union goon, remember that one, now I'm an illegal, or at least have the feel of an illegal, by next month you are liable to propose that I may be a radical Muslim sleeper cell! You tickle the hell out me my commrade, oops I mean friend, buddy, pal, partner, whatever I am supposed to say to sound like I'm an actual American Citizen.
You are an idiot. If you are a legal citizen of the US but your kids were born in Canada, then you should have filed the paperwork with the American Embassy of an American Born Abroad. You are only hurting your kids by being so negligent.
Unhappy the only thing I might have hurt was Doug's leg by pulling on it.
As much of an idiot as Bachmann is , let's not mis-state what happened. The headline says Bachmann " '...would not do anything' FOR", not what she actually said, which is she would "Not do anything TO..." children of illegals. It's an important difference; let's not be sloppy. Bachmann already gives us enough to hang our hats on without this kind of twist.
Going to Canada to have your kids, that's rich! The kids are citizens of the US of course - wonder if they can get dual tho'? Wish I'd of thought that one up, Iowa wasn't too far a drive from there. Of course, over 20 years ago, my kid's bill for their hospital/doctor and the OB was only about $1400. How some things do change.
TRUE.
People used to complain about the Irish taking jobs when I was a young girl living in the North
East. There always needs to be a scapegoat, it seems!
"anchor daddy"
I like it forrest.
But it was 3 million. I thought it was a mistake. Surely, you trust NPR?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672
You may agree or not agree, but that's the whole point. I would rather the politicians (all) would just tell us how they truly feel on an issue instead of trying to "schmooze " us by dancing around the issues to please everyone.
Here's what Harry S. Truman had to say about one such politician.
"Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in".
Enough Said!
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Nobody lied and deceived the american people any more than Sly Harry. what ajoke of a statement . Maybe clinton lied more, but he was really irrelavant anyway. Obama has a chance to pass Truman and Nixon both. Worst president in history. Poorer than Carter, which is almost not possible. Bachmann isnt liked because she tells the truth. We dont tell the truth in this country anymore. Its called politically corectness.
What are we supposed to do, open our borders to every nationality in the world to enter at will do what they want and then leave through the same door they entered or stay if they want? If it's fair for Citizens of Mexico why not make it fair for people that hate us, like people from Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, and hell let's invite the Taliban I'm sure they would love to come here. We have laws to keep this from happening lets just enforce them. They have worked for hundreds of years and they can still work. Just enforce them.
No we neeed to exile you! Just because you fell out of your mother on this land we have to put up with your vile mouth?
Seriously David, enforcing laws is vile. Your own hate of our country's laws are vile.
You have to question Bachmann's judgment, shes not the brightest bulb in the house ?
Bachmann - You go Girl - looks like Obama has paid for some voters on here - or he promised to give them a ride in his jet - correction our jet.
Correction--some of us are very aware this country is a nation of immigrants and aren't for that electrified fence (or for Bachman's "turn around a gay" joke of a candidacy) . Her kind of idiocy has always been an undercurrent throughout our history--(i.e. never heard the chants of WITHOUT PAPERS--WOPS??...the violence and hatred directed against the waves of Poles, the Chinese, the Germans, the Japanese, on and on). Somehow we've always managed to triumph over the hate mongers and I have no doubt we will continue to do so...Ms. Bachman, don't let the door hit ya....
I may not agree with everything she says, but unlike the democratic party she does listen to our needs. You will never know what it is like to be the child of immigrants. It is so far removed from your mind that you think you have an ideal about what coming to this country is truly like. I feel pity for you.
Interesting, I looked it up in Websters dictionary and it only shows rats as being a slang term of disgust of another. Rat's is not in there.
Theres many waiting to come here legally,so why should anyone be given a free pass?there isnt a country in the world where your parents are illegals and your born there and become a citizen.Interesting how the USA has changed to people who come here and dont want to be americans or obey our laws.Also not wanting to blend in and learn english.Oh and im an legal immigrant.
I think they are talking about the children that are already here, not the ones that havent arrived yet. There are too many to who have never known any other way, we just can't penalize them for what their parrents did. We can however beef up our borders and stop it from happening again, but even as I type, they are reducing border patrol on the Canada side.
I really don't think there are that many Canadians rushing to move here, at least not desperately enough to jump the border to get the same things they can up north. Besides, the US-Canadian Border is the longest border between two countries and it would take alot of tax dollars to guard the southern border alone. You may think the good ole USA is the center of the world, but we're only a country among many and there are other countries that have the same qualities as we do.
Why bother to discuss Bachmann to bebin with? Iowa is a purple state, and she is in single digits. Her New hampshire staff quit. And she`s still news?