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Subscribe to RSSCORPUS CHRISTI, TX -- Former businessman turned presidential frontrunner Herman Cain continued his attempts to calm voters concerns over his lack of foreign policy experience during a campaign stop here Wednesday night.
“Relative to foreign policy, I don’t need to know the details of every one of the issues we face.
"We’ve got plenty of experts who can fill in the details,” Cain said at dinner held by the Nueces County Republican Women.
The former Godfather’s Pizza CEO told the 900 supporters in attendance that the key to dealing with issues abroad is to develop a clear foreign-policy philosophy, a line he often has repeated on the trail.
That philosophy: clarify who the United States'- friends and enemies are – something Cain says President Obama has failed to do.
During his two-day swing through the Lone Star State, Cain began both campaign speeches critiquing the president’s decision to withdraw all troops from Iraq by the end of the year.
“When he withdraws all of the troops out of Iraq, it’s going to leave a huge power vacuum for Iran to go in and disrupt everything and undue everything that we’ve been trying to help them do on the last several years,” Cain said while speaking at the Clear Lake Tea Party in La Marque, TX on Tuesday.
The shift is subtle contrast from Cain’s most recent campaign stops, where has started with a defense of his 9-9-9 economic strategy.
Though Cain still spent time defending what has become known as the lynchpin of campaign, it has taken a back seat in his most recent stops.
The focus on the Middle East coincides with the president’s foreign policy victories of the president with former Libyan leader Moammar Khaddafy's death and his fulfillment of a campaign promise to bring an end to the Iraq war.
Broadening Cain’s policy platform comes at a time when the candidate is fighting speculation that he is the latest flash in the pan in the Republican field. A national CBS/New York Times poll released Tuesday shows Cain atop the field of Republican presidential hopefuls, garnering 25% of support, with the second closest Mitt Romney at 21%.
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OH Brother!
Ya see Hermie - the Middle East is a bit more complicated then running half-rate pizza joints!
If this idiot gets anywhere NEAR the WH - we are all in deep do-do!
Meanwhile back in the land of reality - President Obama isn't answering the 3 am phone calls... he's making them! ;o)
"Relative to foreign policy, I don’t need to know the details of every one of the issues we face"
So, Pizza Man doesn't want to bother with details. a la Dubya?
Herman, you really need to stop. For a Presidential candidate, ignorance is NOT bliss! Stop joking!
Details, details, who needs details?
Reminds me of another cowboy who thought he didn't need to hear the details, like that memo about Al Qaeda being determined to strike within the United States.
He didn't need them, either, because he had such competent, "expert" advisers.
Hey, I know.
Maybe Cain can get Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld to explain the details to him.
I suspect Donald Rumsfeld would make perfect sense to Herman Cain.
How well I remember when Jay Rockefeller said, during the 2008 campaign, that President Obama, as a new Senator, was one the few Senators who ever actually came in to read the classified intelligence reports.
And there seems to be some proof in that pudding.
Maybe if others had done the same prior to 2003, we would never have been embroiled in Iraq.
Once again, Cain has proven himself totally unfit to be Commander in Chief.
Wasn't Joe Biden put on the ticket because he was going to be Obama's foreign policy expert?
Seems to me the President knew very little, was weak, on foreign policy 4 years ago as well.
That's ok Cain,
Obama didn't know anything either...
And obama had such foreign policy details??? LMAO! More than once it was reported by the media that obama made the comment along the lines of "guys, I don't want to screw this up"
Way cool AM...
Obviously you think that the patriot act and homeland security should have been enacted by clinton.
Sorry AM your argument is delusional. It is like saying that your local law enforcement will stop all murders, rapes, thefts and assaults because they have been forewarned that they might occur. The "minority report" technology is not yet in place.
Your suggestion that a potus or jr senator has the time or experience to adequatly analyze data details without help is also inane, not to mention that a jr senator had the same clearance as a potus.
Please do keep on playing to your compadres, Like jody or johnA you occassionally have shown the ability to have a valid point.
WCA:
But if i recall, President Obama, then candidate Obama, never dismissed the details of foreign policy. Additionally, once elected, most likely prior to election, he selected the most competent Secratary of State available, i.e. he had a plan.
WCO - it only matters if it is a republican.
By the way, why is it important to note "the former Godfather's Pizza CEO"?
Fine Bryan, if Cain is the nominee, then question him a year from now.
Cain is right and the left shouldn't bash him for the foreign policy comment. The fact is that the POTUS select a cabinet and within that cabinet you will have people with diverse knowledge of things from foreign to domestic policies. The issue is whether or not the elected official is objective enough to select the correct people for the job. So, ease up on Cain for that particular comment, but commence the bashing on the other bone-headed comments he has made so far.
Tomorrow it will all be a joke guys! Not to worry walking backwards is the latest trend.
The Leftist press hates Caine he strayed off the Democrat plantation
Well, that's not what Jay Rockefeller said.
And seems to me you can hardly call his early opposition to the invasion of Iraq "weak," as events have turned out.
But I'm just desperate. What do I know?
Ah. So don't ask candidates any questions about ANYTHING until they're the nominees.
Just pick one randomly and push the lever. Maybe based on whether they look "smug" or not.
Now there's enlightenment.
Applying that theory, we'd get George W. Bush again. That works for me.
JK1963
That's ok Cain,
Obama didn't know anything either...
If he did not know any thing, then why the hell did stop sharing intelligence information with paskistan that lead to killing bin ladin, if he did not know any thing them why did he know enough to let the people of lybia get rid of kaddiffy by using the UN planes and drons at the same time not loosing 1 american service mens life.
Ok, keep dreaming and stop the hate. the artical is not about Obama its about the GOP pizza creap.
He already knows more than Obama, so he's a step ahead there.
Feisty,
All these Mr. Cain supporters must be millionaires and $$billionaires.
Just like the Koch Industries brothers and their political arm, Americans For Prosperity ~ who have been employing and bankrolling Cain for some time now.
I got this one.
Fiesty is right. He does "make the 3 a.m. phone calls"
Quote White Collar:
The president put Pakistan on notice if you recall:
The dude is a Ninja on foreign policy. Let's kill that argument. FR has been silent on it since Mommar's sudden and inexpensive demise.
Oh good Lord I once again have to agree with the redhead, it's only ever happened once before, maybe the freaky people deeples are right and the world IS ending?? ;)
Reporting facts and critical thinking does not make one a hate monger. I think they like Cain as much as any of the other Republican candidates which isn't very much.
August 23, 2008 New York Times:
WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama has chosen Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware to be his running mate, turning to a leading authority on foreign policy and a longtime Washington hand to fill out the Democratic ticket, Mr. Obama announced in text and e-mail messages early Saturday.
Mr. Obama’s selection ended a two-month search that was conducted almost entirely in secret. It reflected a critical strategic choice by Mr. Obama: To go with a running mate who could reassure voters about gaps in his résumé, rather than to pick someone who could deliver a state or reinforce Mr. Obama’s message of change.
Mr. Biden is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and is familiar with foreign leaders and diplomats around the world.
Get ahold of yourself there, Jeff... "Stop the hate"?? Why don't you call the others out on here that are on the bash Cain train? And while we are on the argument about supposedly not losing life, then care to explain how we have had more casualties under Obama in Afghanistan (which he swore we would pull out from) then under Bush?? There has been loss of life under both administrations, so to blame one guy and not blame the other is just plain wrong. And as for the hate...I see enough of it on here every day with the MSNBC employees that pass themselves off as posters...
Sooooo, since foreign policy details don't matter much to him, does that mean his "expert" choice for Secretary of State is....
Sarah Palin???
Of course Herman Cain does not need to know Foreign Policy Details, because he is never going to get anywhere near to being president.
Here's that notice to Pakistan (he warned them during his debates with John "that one" McCain before he got elected and he did it):
www.dailymotion.com/video/xijbf6_obama-mccain-2-should-we-hunt-bin-laden-in-pakistan_news
(I guess FR is killing my links...oh well)
As opposed to George W. Bush, who didn't care if he screwed it up or not, as evidenced by his comment to the guy who brought him the briefing memo before he went on to ignore it, "okay, you've covered your a$$."
Don't make me laugh.
Again, don't make me laugh. The notion that a part-time governor from Texas with a C average in business school somehow had the "experience to adequatly analyze date details without help is also inane."
As for his intelligence clearance, are you trying to say the Congress DIDN'T get the same information as the White House?
As for the President's analytical skills, as opposed to those of others, such as the Bush administration, here's what Jay Rockefeller had to say about that when he endorsed him early in 2008:
http://bloggersforobama.blogspot.com/2008/03/chairman-of-senate-intelligence.html
No one is arguing WHY Biden was chosen.
All this proves is that the President's RESUME was weak, not his SKILLSET.
Unlike George W. Bush, who had BOTH of those things going for -- or against -- him.
As does Herman Cain.
Well, herman, old boy, it's like this, when someone who does not even know the geography of the US much less the geography of the world buys/cheats their way into being in charge we end up attacking folks who did not attack us (Iraq) instead of actually spending the money on the real war - Afghanistan. Also, we end up letting someone like Kadaffy get away with murder like ronnie and george sr did (we invaded Granada and Kuaite instead of searching for a murderer) - you waste money, human lives, human talent, and resources when you don't know where the real problem for us is. Thank God President Obama understands enough foreign policy to work with the best of the best, Secretary of State Clinton and we finally took out the two most dangereous threats to the US in my lifetime. Guess that probably gives most republicans and especially bush/cheney/rumsfield/rove supporters more heartburn than a day old pizza!
Herman Cain: I can't see Russia from my house. Will someone please tell me what a "Russia" is?
People said the President didn't have foreign policy experience, not that he didn't care about the details. President Obama learned foreign policy pretty quickly, it seems, and has done a stellar job in that arena. Whatever he may lack in his ability to force congress to do it's job, he's made up for by taking out the terrorists that Bush said were so dangerous, but he didn't worry about. "I hardly think of Osama bin Ladin." Anyone remember that? Right after they let him stroll out of Afghanistan while Rumsfeld and Cheney were locked in an epic pissing match over who's organization was in control. The result was that when we had him all bottled up, Rumsfeld refused to deploy the troops to cut him off. That's the neo-con record: We pull out the rulers, flip them over to centimeters, and the longest one gets to go first, while the horse has left the barn a week ago.
The democrats, on the other hand, hate wars, but get them done, so they can finish up and get out. THAT, ladies and gentlemen, (and republicans) is all in the details.
Cain, please stay in the race. The longer you are there, the more ineffective your party looks.
IF,,,,, the republicans can do any better than this loser they are doomed.
Both foreign policy and the economy were huge issues during the last election.
The economy is still a huge issue this time around but foreign policy is not. This election will not be about foreign policy.
If you question Obama's foreign policy expertise, you ought to ask yourself why its not an issue. I see FOX trying and trying....but nothing sticks. Just think back how bad it was 3 years ago with Bush. I sure hope people are reminded of that during campaign season because clearly Republicans have short memories.
Now if the president could act unilaterally on economic issues as well as those of foreign policy we'd be in much better shape...
I know the world is more like a round pizza than it is a square pizza, and that it is definitely a large round pizza, I'll have advisers for the toppings other countries may require. Hermann (old man Erkel) Cain.
@American: Any of you useless half-wits who think they're going to be able to convince anyone that Obama has been a bad foreign policy/national security president are obviously dumber than a sack of hammers. And yes, he did in fact know the details and take them very seriously before he was elected.
John McCain, for example, said he would not go into Pakistan to take out Osama if we knew he was there and they wouldn't act. Obama said he would. Gee, how did that work out, imbecile?
What a moron.
I don't know where you all think Obama's foreign policy is a success.
He got Bin Laden.
Anything else that hasn't had negative unintended consequences?
Losers of the left are being raced to the bottom of the pile by the Douchebaggers of the right.
Let's clarify what an oink oink Douchebagger wants to say: First, pull troops out of all foreign countries, Second b!tch like a cow in heat that troops are being pulled out of foreign countries.
The funny part is watching all the totally stupid people who don't follow the hypocrisy.
Moaning from the left extremists here is Faux Newsworthy. But Cain is doing it to himself, just to show that he, too, can act like a moron.
Fiesty, I have to disagree with you on one thing. Half-rate pizza joints? Hell no! I love Godfather's Pizza!
Why are we still talking about him anyway. He isn't going to win the nomination. After people found out how much his 9-9-9 is a disaster, his star has dropped.
JK1963
Get ahold of yourself there, Jeff... "Stop the hate"?? Why don't you call the others out on here that are on the bash Cain train? And while we are on the argument about supposedly not losing life, then care to explain how we have had more casualties under Obama in Afghanistan (which he swore we would pull out from) then under Bush??
see there you go comparing apples to oranges, Bush's intelligence team failed him and America, only nut jobs would go in to a place that no other army has succeeded(afgan) at the same time go to iraq commit 100k troops while not arming the men in afgan properly, the pres had to surge in afgan so there army Ie police force can get up to speed. yes he has more Afgan blood on his hands but just think if that had been done the right way by Bush, obama would have never had to do what he did.
Also i don't know what your talking about, from the time he announced he was running for president he made it clear we were going to surge in afgan, he NEVER promised to with draw from afgan immediately, i think you mean iraq.
again comparing apples to oranges.
He knows enough to make this statement:
You have to understand the underlying cause behind the Iran-Iraq war to see the implications of removing Saddam. Iran was taken over by a Shia led theocracy when the Shah was disposed...about that time Saddam took over Iraq. Iran was intent on removing the Sunni leader which ended up leading into a war that lasted 8 years and ended in a stalemate.
65% of Iraq is comprised of Shia muslims that would probably welcome a theocratic leader that would align with Iran. If this were to happen, the ensuing threat to Isreal would become enormous.
I disagreed with Bush removing Hussein and felt that the reason Bush 1 didn't do in the first gulf war was because of the threat of such a power vacuum.
Andrew Rafferty, the writer of the above statement, I have a question for you. How is the muslim brotherhood and installation of Sharia law in Libya a "victory"? If we have to go back to Iraq yet again in a few years after our puppet government is deposed, will that still be an end to the war?
To anyone that has any knowledge of history, these aren't victories, they are serious mistakes.
And Cain's admission that he doesn't know everything is a refreshing change from the arrogance in the White House that thinks he does. His big picture view of Iraq shows he's already ahead of Obama in terms of foreign policy knowledge
Derek, I'm probably going to get suspended again for this, but I'm sure I'm not alone in sincerely wishing that you would take your foul, ignorant ranting back to the dung pile where it came from. There's a big difference between disagreeing, and desperately and pathetically trying to gain some attention by being offensively obnoxious.
Ei-yi-yi! Being President of the United States carries (hello!) responsibilities! One of which is knowing WTF you're doing! It's not just riding around in AF1, eating top-of-the-line grub and smiling for four years. (Not worried about this guy. He's not going to be our next President.)
You must not have ever had a Chi-town pizza pie! ;o)
There's no going back after a Gino's East or Giordano's... lol
Well, Cain is right about one thing: You need to know who your friends are versus your enemies.
Now Republicans do have a time-honored policy test for that: You're either with me or against me!
Feisty, I see that your taste in pizza is no better than your taste in politics. Ummmm, Godfather's taco pizza!!!!!
Apparently not Obama worshipers:
Yeah, don't to get too bogged down on the details of Obama's record. Fact is, Obama doesn't talk much about his record, either in generalities or in specifics. Doing so won't get him re-elected.
Obama depends on a massive case of national amnesia to get him re-elected. That will work for his base, the low information voters, but the rest of 98%-ers see Obama for the failure he is.
Wow - unusual day. Twice I have agreed with what GOP candidates have said. First Perry's combination decision not to deface the Confederate flag from monuments buildings - and to also NOT endorse the creation of Texas vanity plates with the Confederate flag on them. Which I agree with both.
Now here is Cain, making a TOTALLY reasonable statement about foreign policy. A President SHOULD listen to his/her advisors and experts.
I hate to do this, bust some of our greatest Presidents, even George Washington, held their advisors in high regard and would willingly admit their ignorance in certain aspects of their office, deferring such to the respective experts in the field.
IMHO this is an admirable viewpoint. A President is a leader, and the first thing you need to do as a leader is learn how to contain your ego and let those who work for you do their jobs.
And does "he" (Cain) also know enough to cite any authority that would allow us to stay in Iraq after the SOFA expired, and without any further agreement with the Iraqi government on issues like the scope of our mission and immunity for our troops?
Come to think of it, do you?
Don't talk down. Everyone already knows this, including me.
If you think the President understands less than Herman Cain, go back and review WCA's post. According to him, it's not possible for Herman Cain to have more information than the POTUS.
Saber rattling is easy. But governing is harder. And it requires some ACTUAL understanding, rather than just mouthing some soundbite platitudes someone handed to you.
Cain knows that he will have to call TelAviv anyway to get the details of US foreign policy in the Middle East.
you just gave me a guilty conscience red! When we were stationed in your hell state we never went to any of the pizza places there even though my hubby really wanted to, but there's this sandwich shop in Davenport OMG it's to DIE for! Jimmy John's. They're food was almost as good as the Jason's Deli here in Texas.
@Joanna: I'll take twenty Barack Obamas over one George Dubya any time. It's conceivable that our country will never recover from 43rd's totally reckless policies during his administration, not the least of which was his corporate pandering at the expense of the environment.
Good lord you liberals are a piece of work.
Do you honestly believe that obama knew anything about foreign policy in 2007 leading up to 2008 run for president.
NOPE. PEOPLE OBAMA WAS A FREAKING COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. he didn't know anything until his handlers told him what to say. good grief.
If you support Cain then you support the Koch Brothers running the country.
Is there really anyone that seriously thinks that having the Koch brothers running America is a good idea? Anyone? Seriously? I mean, really? Some people actually think that is a good idea?
Or, are Cain's supporter's just a bunch of ignorant lemmings that don't really know the first thing about him and who's backing him and why they are backing him?
Hmmmmmmmmm........
@Andrew547 Well said!
If you think Jimmy John's is good - you have to try Jersey Mike's!
They slice the meat and cheese right in front of you onto warm rolls!
Actually, I usually only go to those pizza places when company is in town - there are tons of local places that are even better! ;o)
As I recall conservatives were complaining loudly that Candidate Obama lacked foreign policy experience, had never blah blah blah--which was baloney because Obama talked foreign policy circles around McCain--yet today after Herman Cain says he doesn't need to know the details of every issue we face, the first few conservative posters do not criticize Cain but rather criticize Obama. Can't have it both ways.
Etna's and Felipi's in San Diego had great pizza. Aetna's was my favorite!
@Feisty, etc: Off topic, off topic, off topic. Why don't you just call each other if you want to talk about junk food.
Listening to experts is always a good idea, but if you happen to lack knowledge about the situation, how the hell are you supposed to know which experts are right? There is NO substitute for personal knowledge. Cain is a foreign policy joke, I rank him with Sarah Palin.
And can Cain tell us who is the Deputy Prime-Minister of the Republic of Uzbekistan?
MarcC - the question at hand is not one of who is doing things right, but of what experience is on the books for doing a job. Obama had little experience in many areas of governing when elected, now the libs think that any opposition wannabe should be more experienced than candidate obama was in 2007-2008? Rather stupiid and incompetent on your part to fall into that line of reasoning.
On the lighter side....
ABO - Anyone but obama
As AM once declared... OMG - Obama must go!
The dude is OLD SCHOOL! He speaks the truth (all the other politicians are too cowardly to do this).
And he's right. It is impossible to know everything. President's, CEO's and other leaders count on their core team, whatever that might be, to keep things moving forward, and to get the relevant information to their leader.
Y'all seem to confuse knowledge with wisdom. We have a very educated man in the White House right now with zero experience, zero wisdom, making a mockery of our nation and destroying our economy all on his misguided belief in liberalism.
You silly kids simply have never been in charge, or you mislead and criticize on purpose.
A smart man may have stated that "I don't know all the details of foreign nations and peoples but I am studying and learning. I know it is a priority and deserves my attention." As all presidents I will need to rely on many people to help me be the best I can be." Not "I don't need to know the details". Yes Mr. Cain you need to learn many of them. It is a big world and decisions need to be made quickly. When you get the 3AM call it is time to take the lead and advice of experts. Not time to ask, what's that?
What's in it?
I have to laugh at those criticizing Cain. So, he doesn't give the details of foreign policy. So what? Keep in mind that those questioning Cain are the the same ones who chanted "yes we can" without asking "what?" Turns out that the yes we can stood for "destroy America," "get into more wars," "run up the deficit," "pay off supporters," "lie to our supporters and pull the wool over their eyes," and the list goes on......
Love how all the usual suspects on this (or any other political) thread come out and bash the intellect of someone who has built a business, created jobs and provided tangible benefit to his fellow man and women. This in contrast with those on this site, who shove ho-ho's in their mouthes, watch msnbc and wait for their government check to come in the mail. Hilarious!
@Witch: Maybe you forgot, "Yes we can" meant ridding the world of two monsters: bin Laden and Kaddafy.
hey you should be happy that for once a liberal (Red) and a conservative (me) are able to have a conversation that doesn't consist of calling names! You don't like it? Don't read it. Simple solution.
AM - thanks for the reply and your round about way of agreeing with me, no hopefull can be expected to know all aspects of a job they are running for.
However, libs do think that it does and FR editors sure do like to promote that ideal, but hey AM that is politics right?
Somehow I think that congress is not the first to know intelligence data before the potua. Select commitees may, but not everyone. You know "loose lips sink ships".
Why are you talking perry when i was talking about cains remark. Since perry is taking a breather from the debates, he's toast.
As for obamas skill set, thanks for bringing me a chuckle yourself AM. His skill sets with regards to human relations, economics and political leadership still shows us all his weakness in those areas. In human relations he does show an extrodinary ability to divert and blame others. An attribute that may be fine and acceptable for many congressional members, but hardly one that I believe is conducive to being POTUS.
Probably the only presidents that got the job down right was G. Washington and Abe lincoln.
Neither of which Obama did. Next?
Come on fellow Americans, Herman Cain is a motivational speaker on a book tour who works for the Koch brothers and their various, numerous Astro-Turf organizations such as Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation (Newt), etc. And now the Koch brothers are making new Astro-Turf websites as this is an endless rabbit hole of propaganda designed to be difficult to keep up with and track like their accounts in the Cayman Islands and who knows where.
Herman Cain know nothing about public policy, history, foreign policy, and anything that would truly qualify him to be POTUS and leader of the free world, and Cain knows this--and doesn't care. The one advantage to Posers like Cain or other unelectable hopefuls like Bachmann, is they attack the other more viable candidates like Romney thus exposing them for being as unqualified as they themselves are.
Um.... Where have you been in Ron Paul's last 30 years? You wanna talk old school? He's been tellin it like it is at least that long, sorry but your man Cain (and the others) are all borrowing from what Dr. Paul has been saying for years!
We have today over 500 dumb politicans in washington..we need to get rid of them, not add more to them..not one person running for office of president has a back ground in foreign policy. We have more than enough problems with politicans on the take to be worried about having a trully off the wall president elected in 2012.
So much for "the surge worked".
Cain admits that he doesn't know that much about foreign policy but he thinks the President's foreign policies are so bad? What does Herman Cain really know about anything in government? Better yet, what does that say about Republican constituents, who would actually think of electing a person who can't even formulate opinions, who doesn't know what a neo-conservative is, and didn't know what the "right of return" meant for Palestinians? Sure, every President has had a slew of advisors, but you can't lead a nation by relying on advisors to formulate your basic policies (unless your last name is Bush and your VP formulates the policy).
I see Feisty and her platoon of Marxist worshipers is back with the snarky comments. Buy a pizza Feisty, and have a few beers... Your lover boy in the WH will soon be carrying signs for the OWS crowd... about all he's good for! And, btw, what does Obama know about foreign policy, except what his inept 'advisors' tell him. The Liar in Chief is soon to be history, oh Feisty one, so get over it.
Yet more empty condescension.
The issue WAS, dear JoAnna, Herman Cain's purported superior knowledge of the situation in Iran. Joe suggested that Cain knows something the President doesn't know, i.e., that Iran is looming over Iraq, waiting to pounce.
My, my, my. Can you believe it?
This further suggests, of course, that the President's "decision" to honor the SOFA and withdraw by the end of the year is wrong. Hence my question as to whether Cain knows of any authority to stay there without the consent of the Iraqi government.
To suggest that my question is somehow comparable to Cain's little joke about Uzbekistan merely goes to show how little both you and he take this seriously.
Or do you not believe that it's important for us to HAVE any authority to continue to occupy Iraq?
Believenothinguread - they are not bashing Cain's intellect but his proposed policies. Of course he is a smart man - but to a point. His campaigning management is totally wrong if you really want to win the Presidency. Also what about - you can't talk to him unless he talks to you first - came out from one of his aides.
Though untrue, President Obama has been attacked for "lack of experience" or "learning on the job" so should be voted out of office. Now you say Cain lacks experience and should be allowed to learn on the job. Which one is it? You can't have it both ways--right-wing hypocrites.
Also, management of a campaign is a good indicator of whether someone could handle being POTUS and Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich are all failing miserably at this.
All new presidents learn on the job, but it is important that they have at least some remedial government knowledge--like being in the Senate, a governor, something. Obviously President Obama has risen to the office of POTUS with high grades and obviously better than his Republican predecessor. Why would you vote our now experienced president out of office in favor of some Yahoo who doesn't even know what a "neocon" is? Give me (and the rest of the country) a friggin' break.
Cain is a perfect candidate (a wholly owned subsidiarity of Koch Industries.
He is their porch ***** and a perfect yes man for them. He will take orders from the congress,
(another property of the Koch Bros) and the congress will take orders from the Koch Bros.
All they want is a man that can sign his name and sit in the Oval Office.
Under their terms he will be a figure head only.
Leadership does not mean knowing how to sharpen the pencils in the Oval Office, campaigning at taxpayer expense, demeaning and denigrating anyone who opposes your view, and telling lies to the entire country about the motives of your opposition. Cain has gotten good input from several military advisors about the situation in Iraq and the possible consequences of a US withdrawal.
You mean the fact that Cain close 1/3rd of the stores, layed off 30% of the staff, and in the end, sold the whole failed idea (after Cain left and took his golden parachute of course)?
Also, I didn't know selling pizza amounted to "benefit to his fellow man and women".
TruePatriot-445959
wrong nothing says they who run for president needs to have experience as a gov. congressman senator and so on.
heck obama was a senator and look what we got, a left wing progressive hell bent on destroying america and creating a third world country
Too funny, american. You KNOW I meant Bush. Trying to imply that Obama's analytical skillset is somehow inferior obviously begs that question. Never in my recollection anyway has there been a POTUS with a more inferior analytical skillset than George W. Bush.
But, of course, he did have Dick Cheney around to keep him on the straight and narrow.
Too bad that Cheney had no scruples, eh?
Aha. So, then, you DO agree that Congress didn't have the same intel that the President had during the run-up to the Iraq war. Then you need to tell that to Cheney and Bush, who have tried to lay their own guilt off on Congress many times by alleging the opposite.
On this point we are definitely agreed. Especially when the POTUS is trying to divert and blame others for getting us into a useless, costly war. See my previous comment.
Everyone who's been paying any attention already knows the possible consequences.
But what's the AUTHORITY for us to stay when the Iraqi government -- the same one that George W. Bush installed -- wants us to go?
You think Cain knows? Please.
Tony D-373561 -- How about you go drink some beers, since that's what most of your life has probably really been about. Don't preach to us about President Obama campaigning like all presidents do for reelection, and have the right to do, or using tax payer money when the president has more than a sufficient war chest of his own--which consists largely of small individual contributions in comparison to Perry, Cain, or Romney all of whom are bought and paid for by Big Oil, Wall Street, etc.
The 50% of the nation against the invasion of Iraq know well the "demeaning and denigrating anyone who opposes your view" in the fight against lies that took us into that costly and unnecessary debacle. You and all your right-wing ilk who support deficit spending on the military industrial complex instead of providing disaster relief to fellow Americans right here at home are the ones who are unpatriotic and very misguided.
So go get hammered and try to bilk someone into buying real estate or what ever it is that you do.
Joe "To anyone that has any knowledge of history, these aren't victories, they are serious mistakes.
And Cain's admission that he doesn't know everything is a refreshing change from the arrogance in the White House that thinks he does. His big picture view of Iraq shows he's already ahead of Obama in terms of foreign policy knowledge"
Whether we stay put or leave, Iran is already there...meddling away. The damage has already been done...it is time to cut our losses. We are BROKE - remember, the republicans keep telling us this every single day...and if we dont have enough money to ensure our seniors dont go hungry or without their meds, and we dont have enough money to come up with "job creation programs" to put people to work...then we DAMN WELL DO NOT HAVE MONEY TO THROW AWAY IN IRAQ CHASING OUT THE BOOGEY MAN.
Stay consistent GOP...because im tired of all this "deficits, we're broke, our children are gonna be destroyed by out of control spending"...and yet, apparently, we've got all the money in the world to play world police in the middle east.
What is your fear? That they'll acquire nukes? SO...let em. What are they gonna do with them? launch one at us? you dont think we woudnt annihilate them if they did? do you think they have a death wish?
The reality is, Nukes level the playing field - every nation that has nukes has kept The United States from invading them...imagine that.
maybe, just maybe, nations are starting the see the only way to keep the Coloniast US out of their backyards and from occupying them, and dictating to THEIR PEOPLE how they're going to live their lives, is if they get nukes.
Every nations leaders are playing the boogeyman game to keep their sheeples in line - the big bad muslims, the big bad americans, the big bad soviets, the big bad chinese...
I can only hope one day, the people of this world join together and fight the big bad alien boogeymen...at least then, we'll probably stop killing each other and instead...send our brave men and women out to space to die for no reason.
That "Ignore" button still not working for you Annie?
You might want to submit a trouble ticket to Tech Support.
You seem a little edgy lately. Things okay?
What is really scary is that almost every one of the Republicans have ZERO foreign policy experience. I know Jon Huntsman was ambassador to China. I don't know if Ron Paul ever served on Foreign Relations committee. I'm pretty sure none of the others did.
Yeah, I know, President Obama..... however, he was on the foreign relations committee and he did his "rock star" tour before the election, so that helped.
However, the only relevant comment was something to the effect that it won't matter because there is no way Cain will get the nomination (RELIANT ?)
I'd say Cain is done. So, for those of us keeping score...
Bachman out
Perry out
Cain out
Paul nuts
Christie out
Huntsman who?
Santorum who?2
Romney He's the guy!
This is like Ten Little Indians, one by one the suspects are knocked off and then there was one! Mitt.
Obama/Biden 2012
Herman Cain: "Foreign policy? We don't need no stinkin' foreign policy."
Thank you, we'll be in touch, NEXT!
Obama/Biden 2012
Once again, wanting a President who is NOT a politician is not a good idea. He has even less experience than our current President. This has been evident from his ill conceived flat tax, his lack of most domestic policies and now his complete, for lack of a better word 'disregard' for foreign policy. He may be a charismatic man and a good leader, but that does NOT make him qualified to be the POTUS.
I found MSNBC's pagefront title for this article misleading- Cain: Foreign Policy Details Not Important
The fact is that Cain said that you need experts to understand the dynamics of foreign policy and they should inform the Commander in Chief of the issues. I agree with him. It takes the input of the CIA, Dept. of State, the DOD, select experts and sources to get a reasonable picture of any foreign situation. A President simply can't be 100% clear on all foreign issues.
All of this is a moot point and waste of time. Cain is a Poser. Get over it, and move on.
dirp101 -- I agree with most of your post, but areas of weakness can be off-set by a VP pick, like the president did in choosing Biden and Hillary as Secretary of State. The bigger problem for Teapublicans is who could even be VP? The field for POTUS or the cabinet or what have you is nil and void. Even so-called rising stars like Rubio are being eliminated. The GOP should focus on rebuilding their Party, starting with a real and viable platform--not recycling old failed "trickle-down" voodoo economic regressive flat taxes and costly military occupations/nation building and what have you.
TruePatriot-445959
{ when the president has more than a sufficient war chest of his own--which consists largely of small individual contributions}
That's to funny of an answer, Ya unions collect dues give to the DNC, and I have no say as to where my money will go.
small individual contributions what a laugh.
How much tax payer money got kicked back to obama and the DNC thru Solyndra?????????? ya some more small contributions.
liberals are to funny. nice try.
I agree completely ... he doesn't need to know anything about anything because he is never going to get anywhere near the White House. Once he gets through entertaining the teabaggers, he is finished. By now, most Americans are wise to what the Repugs are offering ... we've had 8 years of Bush and we almost had McCain/Palin ... good grief!
Isn't it funny how you always say that when you don't have an answer for what I've just said?
But I'm cool.
Just sitting here eating leftover pizza from lunch and jousting with you. And winning, apparently.
What could possibly be better than this?
This shows how utterly misinformed you are. Cain has FIRED more people than he ever hired in his effort to increase return for investors. He is the former head of the Kansas City Fed. He is bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. You need to do a little research with the blinders off and see who this guy really is. I wouldn't invest too much effort though as he really has no interest in winning, he's just selling books and you kooks take him seriously. His own staff knew better and quit.
George-404282
Man u r in for a rude awakening come 2012. yes americans do not forget how obama has screwed this country in the last 3 years from shoving obama care down our throats to record unemployment.
yes we won't forget how obama is trying to turn the usa into a socialist eu country.
Cain is an idiot. He is a Motivational Speaker and was a PR exec at Godfathers Pizza. He did not build Godfathers Pizza and ultimately destroyed it. He's an adman who is in over his head.
On a second thought why does every stupid Republican candidate want to make the wars drag out even longer? The people want the war to end. What's the jobs plan? More WAR! What's the healthcare plan? Die, but get to meet God! What's the tax plan? Screw the poor!
Anyone who votes Republican and makes less that 100K a year is voting against their own interests. The Republican Party is an evil lapdog of the wealthy corporations and religious zealots. The Republican Party of old is dead.
I would rather have someone like Cain, who we don't know much about than Obama because we already know what an utter failure he is. When you get Obama away from his teleprompter his favorite word is: uuuuhhhh!
We can't continue down our current path. My life was much better under the previous administration.
Anna Molly
Anna, as usual, you are wrong. I do not mouth off any soundbites handed to me. I don't watch Fox, nor do I read it. I read multiple sources, usually newspapers and MSN, as well as history books. Now if you want to talk about mouthing off soundbites, I could go through you're past posts and start asking you questions about your comments regarding multiple anti-conservative points that you don't have a clue about.
Most of the liberals out there do NOT know the implications of leaving Iraq...they get their misinformation from People Magazine, Oprah, First Read and whatever the conversation at the local welfare office may be that day.
I'll give you that Obama may know the consequences, but doesn't care...because by the time everything goes to hell, he'll be out of office. Sort of like pushing off paying the bills for 10 years.
Go ahead, continue to blindly follow this lack of leadership and go on not thinking for yourself. It helps show the lack of forethought or intelligence constantly on display by the progressive liberal movement.
TruePatriot-445959
Okay TrueaMERICAN, time to put up or shut up! So please show me how you and your liberal friends have the truth that Herman Cain is a paid employee for the Kock Bros.? Without actual proof, you are passing on your opinion as truth. I recognize that in the heat of discussion the truth can be misrepresented, but this person, is nothing more than a lie.
Where do you liberals find this type of stuff to promote? Think Progress or Huffington Post or just in conversation?
It's comical the way you've taken my comments, analyzed my life and my motives, and turned them into a personal vendetta, and then a campaign speech for the dirt bag Marxist in the WH, but not surprising. Socialist pigs like yourself are constantly oinking about 'big oil, wall street' on the one hand, while collecting checks from Uncle who taps them for the funds. Pretty typical, so I'm imagining you haven't got much going in your life except to rail against others who post here. I also have to question where your "true patriotism" lies; perhaps with the Soviet Union? In any case I'd invite you over for a beer, but I'm sure you'd rather challenge me to a p enis measuring contest and drink the Kool Aid. Yup hors, TP, yup hors!
Diamond60
So why don't you take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your own life, instead of playing the victim and blaming everyone else for your own failures?
You know what "personal responsibility" is, right? That thing you claim that every poor person on welfare needs. The thing you yell at the Occupy people. Well maybe you should take a dose of your own medicine.
Ya, it's so easy to tell other people to be "personally responsible"... but when it comes to yourself, you are just a victim. It's never your fault (even though it is YOUR life)... nope, it's all Obama's fault. Yup, he personally came and destroyed YOUR life. Now tell us all the exact executive decision that Obama signed which directly destroyed your life.
You know, I wouldn't be so annoyed if people like YOU did not yell "personal responsibility", at the top of their lungs, to everyone else. I swear, it would take a miracle for conservatives to embrace the true concept of "personal responsibility".
Obama's foreign policy experience was what before he became president? Since then his goal is to be the biggest brown nose in US history. I dare say that the world has less respect for us today than at anytime in the last 100 years.
But he's proven to be anything BUT weak, hasn't he? That ship sailed the day he got Bin Laden. Next argument please.
Joe, for someone who claims to know the facts, you know that the reason the U.S. is leaving Iraq is because of an agreement George Bush signed with Iraq. The U.S. was not able to persuade Iraq to allow America to stay there.
The U.S. withdrawal, for better or for worse, is simply following a prior agreement.
What's to know? Everybody eats pizza.
The Douchebaggers should run in fear if Cain gets elected. I hear the piggies of the Douchebag Party will make a fine pepperoni for the first Presidential pizza. That is, after they clean off all the piggy filth.
LMAO........sure as hell didn't matter in the 2008 elections to any one that voted for Obama........he had nothing either.....how has he done??? Now all of a sudden experience is mandatory.........the "H" word comes to mind.
Damn right, Feisty! Cain should go back to selling pizza. That's about all he can handle.
Well since you asked Hiram, Obama has done quite a lot to repair the damange Bush did to the standing in the world, now less people hate our guts. He got Osama, something Bush couldn't do in 7 years. Obama backed up the people in Libya and managed to get a coalition to help them oust their dictator (Imagine that, those nasty old French stepped up to the plate, you remember them don't you Hiram, the ones YOU and your brethren were so seething with anger at that you went all radical and renamed French firies to freedon fires, That sure showed them right? LOL) and that is just a couple things.
OK, just so I have this straight. It's OK from someone on the left to make these statements, but people who disagree with this administration gets 'collapsed'. Stay classy Derek
I dont think Cain should be President because of his lack of experience. Just like I didnt think Obama should have been either. Whether you want to believe it or not, the President is in trouble. He KNOWS his chances for reelection are slim. Why else would the DNC be starting attack ads on Republican candidates so early?
I also dont think your buddy Harry Reid has done this President any favors. The damage that he and Pelosi have done to the Democratic Party are on par with the damage that Bush did to the Republican party. The one thing I will give the President credit for are his attempts to move towards the middle. But every time he does, Harry and company pull to the left. You want proof? Look at the jobs bill. Reid wouldnt even debate the Bill until he got to edit it.
For all of the rhetoric being spewed, can ANYONE on the left say that the current Democrats would be willing to work with a Republican President?
If Cain actually could or did win Imagine the White House in 2014.....
THe Phone Rings just after 2AM....its NORAD
Cain answers the phone...
NORAD: "Mr President I have some news to deliver!
CAIN: "Sorry no more Delivery,, we closed a few minutes ago"
Cain Hangs up
Simple philosophies for simple people.
“Relative to foreign policy, I don’t need to know the details of every one of the issues we face
and he is a GOP/TP front runner. Surprising? No.
Pizza diplomacy:
Promise a Pizza for every oven and a Chicken for every pot.
Yes and no amyb. Keeping things simple usually works out the best. Details can be left to others to present. The top dog needs only to know how to create policy to address the details. Any successful CEO knows how to address the needs of his workers, the board and the investors.
Obama had little experience in any area of politics other than campaigning. So far obama has shown us a penchant for ignoring his advisors advice, the publics desires for having America going in the right direction and for deflecting his lack of experience through smiles and blame. Rather telling that he is even now having troubl in getting some congressional democrats on board with his agenda.
American, things may have changed, but my military leadership training taught that the commander gives intent and it is up to the lower ranking soldiers to develop the plan.
Some one just bought this domain!
Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan dot com
I bet the citizens of that country are pi$$ed!
Amy B. Portland, ME
Back in the late 50's early 60's when the USA was in the space race with Russia, the USA spent millions of $$$$$$$$ on trying to develop a pen that would write in outer space. no doubt liberals.
Do you know what the russians did????????????????????????
Used a pencil.
Nuff said.
bookem - point taken on "intent".
Mr. Cain is making such a fool out of himself. Considering he seems to be oblivious of that fact, you would think that at least one member of his inner circle would have the balls to tell him.
I'm actually insulted every time I hear him speak. He must think the general public is too stupid not to see through his inadequacies and double-talk.
Hey now. Be nice. We don't need a president to be familiar with foreign affairs. After all - we are not at war or anything... Oh - wait a minute. We are at war, and this bozo doesn't even care?
Maybe he should spend a little time figuring out why we are at war in Afghanistan. Does he know about Al-Quaeda? Does he know about fundamentalist Islam? The Taliban? How about pirates (in multiple places)? How about the climate in Egypt? Or Israel? Or about the Palastinians? Or North Korea? Or Iran? What does he think about any of this?
What would we (the american populace) do if it turns out that he support the Taliban or Iran? Or the warlords in Somalia? Or Sudan (over South Sudan)? Or North Korea? Since this is not important to him, what about his hidden advisors (those that he refuses to name)? The Koch brothers have already admitted to doing business with Iran...
Cain is a clown and the republicans know it. He's in it to sell books and his "motivation for idiots" speaking engagements. Anybody who thinks that the southern power structure of the teabagger/republican party is going to permit a guy like Cain to represent their party needs to have their head examined. The bottom line is that Cain is a male Sarah Palin. They will let him run his mouth and spout his ignorant clap trap and make as much money off of our corrupted political system as he can and then file him away with Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Rudy Giuliani, Little Lizard Gingrich and the rest of the republican flotsam.
Perhaps Cain could get by with not knowing the ingredients of his Godfather pizzas, but for a president to say he doesn't need to know the details of foreign policy are either the words of a fool or a faker.
Cain has gained unexpected support from the GOP voters. He was literally caught off guard. Now, he has to compensate for his lack of preparedness. Instead of boning up on foreign policy, he has chosen to diminish its importance. Is this a sample of how Preisdent Cain might operate?
If I were republican I too would be waiting for the next elections.
They haven’t gotten one right yet and Tricky Dick was their best.
Perhaps the next one will have a brain,...... I hope I hope,...... they keep saying?
Of course it's not important! The "Republican hopefuls" think that don't need to know anything. That is the reason why an ignorant Texan took the country to the deep bottom in only 8 years!
At least have the decendy NOT TO LET US KNOW that you are an ignorant dumbass Republican!
@SR71Black Bird
You know the problem with using a pencil in a closed environment where things float around. The lead and the pencil shavings float around too. It will go everywhere especially where you don't want it, like in sensitive equipment or maybe your eyes.
David - George HW Bush was very experienced in foreign policy. He was the first president who was a career intelligence officer. Unfortunately - Reagan outed him accidentally - when he announced that his new ambassador to China was the first non-intelligence officer to hold that position (Bush was Ambassador to China under Nixon - before he was head of the CIA).
There are Republicans who actually care about the international environment, but none are in serious contention for the Republican nomination.
Hey Mr. Cain,
Give a free Pizza to every American who votes for you and you will be the next President. They like free stuff here.
Herman Cain can say whatever he wants whenever he wants. He will NOT be the GOP candidate. Why? He is a black man and the GOP/TP will NEVER allow him to be their candidate. I sure wish he would be the candidate because he is certainly NOT electable to the Presidency of the U.S. The Republicans better settle for Mitt, he's going to be their man! Ole' Mitt Flippity Flopp'in along the campaign trail. Now Mitt, he has something to offer for every side of every issue. If you don't like his position, on an issue today, stick around and he'll change faster than the wheather in November. The bottom line truth is the GOP and their masters the TP, don't like any of the current crop of contenders. That's a FACT and not fiction!
Being involved in a Global Economy doesn't mean squat either...go Herman "Nonsense" Cain!
Clearly Cain doesn't even know the issues we face in foreign policy, let alone details. He'll leave that up to his sycophants and toadies. I hope he wins the Republican nomination. His simple minded intent scares all but the most ignorant and gullible of the right wing, but that's just another detail he doesn't care about.
He will NOT be the GOP candidate. Why? He is a black man and the GOP/TP will NEVER allow him to be their candidate.
Agreed. He's only there to add color to the debate rostrum. The fact he's leading in some polls is no surprise, but come crunch time, he'll be sent packing.
Nothing to get too concerned about. Different countries own domain extensions; for example, Australia is .au, the United States has .us; Great Britain is .uk. As I understand it, the internet country code for Ubecki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan is .bs
Wait. Never mind. I guess Cain already owns the BS market too.
I guess all those pubbies / baggers are going to have to learn to like the czars if Herman gets elected. He'll need all the advise he can get, it seems he may be a little over his depth for the position
You racist liberals, Cain knows what he is doing he is the peoples candidate not a politician.
MSNBC misquoted Cain in the title of the story. Nevertheless..........no president EVER knows ALL the foreign policy details on....."of every one of the issues we face." That is why there is a State Department. The president handles the MAJOR issues.....underlings handle lesser affairs and the minutiae.
Regardless, any of the other candidates would be far better than the socialist nitwit currently in office.
SR71: Uh, you realize that's a completely false story, right? Both programs used pencils, and eventually both used pens once Fisher developed it at no cost to NASA. Fisher sold the pens to NASA for $2.95 each.
Bluelake---it's generous calling Cain a clown and scores of clowns are going to take offense.
9-9-9, 9-0-9, forget foreign policy experience or desire to learn, electrify Latinos or not. Which way is the wind blowing today, Herman?
I think the point is that no president EVER knows NONE of the foreign policy details....if this guy expects to start from scratch before making a decision on every foreign policy issue, he's out of his league. If he expects us to vote for him without demonstrating a grasp of the details of the job - same thing. So far, he has shown he doesn't understand the consequences of his own economic platform (9-9-9), or how Constitutional Amendments are created (he thinks he gets to sign it), or anything whatsoever about foreign policy.
Just what does this Koch-brothers puppet think he's running for?
Fed-up,
I realize your Fed-UP, but how about ordering the new "Herman Cain Pizza". It's only 3.5 inches square, don't worry about the DETAILS as to what's on it. Just know that it's EXTRA CHEEZY! It is certain to be a favorite of folks, just like you!
The truth is that racism is typically most effective when you put a Black face on it, and Herman Cain has volunteered to become the cute little political puppet which allows Republicans to say the things that they are afraid to say.
Most of his comments are not the kinds of things he could say about other ethnic groups; if he were to say that all Jews were brainwashed (as he said about African Americans), he’d be off the stage before finishing his sentence.
Cain has become the shock jock of the Republican Party.
But when the dust settles and the smoke clears, the Republican leadership will ask Cain to walk off the track in the same way the pace setter is removed after the first two laps of a big Olympic race.
While Cain gladly accepts the rewards that come from the sacrifices of others, Cain cannot profess to have been willing to make necessary socio-political sacrifices himself. He stands on the backs of the brave, yet joins forces with the descendants of their historical oppressors.
No different from the way he ducked and hid from those who marched with Dr. King in the 1960s, Herman Cain is ducking and hiding from doing the right thing today. So, not only is Herman Cain a political gimmick, he is also a conniving coward.
Dr.Boyce Watkins - Professor at Syracuse University
Sorry, Mr. Cain, but the Devil is in the details when it comes to foreign policy.
I doubt he even knows any of the details in making a Pizza
As far as his flat tax making the rich richer at the expense of the middle class 9-9-9 = 666
It's time this puppet dropped out
Details???? These aren't "details" for heaven's sake! Not when the Secretary of State had to go through the public embarrassment of explaining to the President of Afghanistan why the Republican front-runner had dismissed all of those "STAN" countries while openly contendening he didn't know even how to pronounce them because they weren't important. He'd have "people" to help him with that. What a joke that he is even being considered for national office. I know "authenticity" is supposed to be Cain's trademark, but that's just plain buffoonery.
YA, got to give you Libs credit. Ya wanted Democracy and Sharia Law in the ME and ya gittin it. LOL!
Ya, wanted out of Iraq and Afghanistan and ya gittin it 4 years latter. LOL!
YA wanted MORE gov and WE be gittin it up the wasu. LOL!
Leave it up to the lame stream liberal media to keep serving up the obmanaid! Since Herman Cain has been surging in the polls, this lame stream media has been relentless in its attempts to dig up dirt on Mr. Cain. So far all they have are tired, dirty hands. There is definitely a sense of fear and desperation. This article is a prime example. Without anything solid to feed their agenda, they are forced to, once again, go beyond the bounds of common sense and good reason to suggest Mr. Cain is lacking in some area of presidential skill or leadership quality because he does not want to speak about something which he does not and could not possibly have all the facts. If Rafferty is so anxious to hear someone make a judgement or statement without having all the facts, he should read his own articles or, perhaps, listen to the politician reading from the teleprompter.
Actually the Space Pen was developed independantly and was adopted by the both US and Soviet space programs.
May be true, who do you think paid the bill??? Duh, but NASA spent millions and the Russians used a pencil.
true story.
sandtrich--You're right of course and I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all clowns everywhere for comparing them to Cain. There are many clowns (Krusty for example) that I would vote for over ANY republican.
SR71 Black Bird--The pen was developed by the Fischer Pen Co. and all they did was figure out how to pressurize the barrel so it would write in a weightless environment and not leak. We are NOT talking millions of dollars in R and D here !! Maybe a few hundred dollars for the small number of pens needed by NASA. When they decided to mass produce and market the pen they probably spent way more on the machinery to make it than they did on R & D. Your blind hatred of the government is just that, blind. As an afterthought I would point out that maybe the reason the Soviets killed so many cosmonauts was that they spent (comparatively) so little money on their space program.
You compassionate conservatives.
Cain's foreign policy plan: 9 democracies, 9 terrorist states and 9 communist states - whomever are in the last two 9 groups are bad...
Vote for Cain. He will scare the rest of the world to death, or actually do it to some of them instead of just bul@!$%# talk, talk, talk till we are third world and failing country. OBUMER MUST GO !!!
No Jeff, I have a better idea; vote for a Democractic majority in both the house and the senate. No more talking bs and the rest. Action man time. I think the lesson learned is that if the other side of the aisle has nothing to contribute except the right of NO or better yet NOOOOOOOOOO, NOOOOO, NOOOOOOOOOO....well, change that. I'm with you. As far as Obummer? Who is Obummer? If you're referring to our President (yours and mine) well, his name is Obama. He was born in the United States. He was a senator from Illinois prior to being elected President of the United States. As far as Mr. Cain, well, I believe he has a bit of a narrow view on what is known as the wide wide world.
WHY THINGS ARE
People are strange creatures, we loathe professional politicians who spend lifetimes in office. We crave "populists"; we want one of our own to rise up and govern. The only problem with this, is often that one of our own, because of this absence of governing, doesn't really know quite how to do it, or what's important, or how exactly our country operates on the global scale.
MEMO TO CAIN: The capital of Uz-bekki-bekki-stan, is important. When you say things like this, you make us cringe. You make us beg for a professional fat cat Washingtonian who gets constantly re-elected term after term for 50 years -- think Strom Thurman
After all the gibberish and utter nonsense we have had to endure from the radical right's vapid talking heads, I can't believe anyone is still willing to talk like this in public.
Grow up, for Christ's sake, and talk like a rational adult. Don't you realize what a fool you're making of yourself by engaging in this kind of psycho-babble? Seriously.
Bluelake
I rest my case, back then it cost a lot of money to tool and make moulds and so on. who do you think paid the company to develop that pen. the U.S gov't. Back then the techno was primitive compared to today. so stop trying to discredit me cause I'm right homer. nuff said.
SR71 -
Do yourself a favor, stop looking foolish and drop this space pen story. It isn't true. Google "snopes space pen" and see the real story. Fisher developed the pen on their own nickel and government never spent millions on it.
As Paul Fisher himself said, when astronauts began to fly they used pencils like the Russians, but the lead sometimes broke and became a hazard in zero gravity, so in 1965 Fisher developed the pressurized pen. The government didn't pay for that development at all.
Zero. Zilch. Nada. Zip. Bubkis. Get it?
He gets it, Tim. He just likes spreading lies. That's how his kind operates.
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
is this the best canidiate the koch bros could buy....defend cain oh foolish ones...oh obama did this answer question goofs .....here's the three oclock in the morning call
cain: hello
foreign leader: this is so and so
cain: i'm sorry you must have the wrong number..i don't know you really important leader
all republicans should have to get shirts that say im for stupid....
Ah, the Koch brothers haven't bought anyone....yet. They will just wait to see who gets nominated and then purchase them.
Is obama the best that Soros, and the unions have to offer.
I'm still waiting for the hope and change oh wait the change we got it's getting worse under obama.
you libs are in for a rude awakening come 2012.
Why is the OWC protesters now not feeding the homeless, and have begun to patrol the areas they occupy chasing the homeless away.
Hum I thought the OWC where for the people the down and out. seems they are just a bunch of miss informed hypocrites.
Come 2012 the republicans are going to wake up in political body bags and wonder, WHAT HAPPENED?
I do find that funny, that the OWS people are now having criminal activity and kicking. I also read that the cooks are tired of working and are now just making Sammich's and tater chips for them. Plus they did a thermal image of the tents....and guess what? They are going home at night to a nice cozy warm bed. Except the homeless people, who seem to be not wanted in the OWS frat/Soro.
Mr. Cain, who is going to be your expert in foreign policy? Sarah Palin?
SR71Black Bird - is that the best you got? Really, crawl back in your hole and quit denigrating the name of one of our military's finest aircraft. I'm sure you've never been close to one.
SR71 Blackbird,
FAST NAME, slow brain!
There are only 14.7 million union members in the U.S. according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics figures in 2010. Soros is one individual.
Obama received 67.3 million votes in his successful presidential bid in 2008. 54% of the popular vote!
See what I mean SR71? Seems your mathmatics are off--DRAMATICALLY!
As for the election of 2012, I don't know for 100% sure, but I would bet a lot of money that a black man will be in the White House in January 2013 and his name will NOT be Herman!
Another snarky headline, made to make GOP look bad.
Cain said he doesnt need to know the details of every one of the issues we face.
Yet First Read didnt snarkily headline the more moronic statement of the week:
Liz "Egomaniac' Warren on Occupy wall Street;
"I created much of the intellectual foundation for what they do"
The GOP doesn't need any help in looking like fools - they're doing a mighty fine job of that all by themselves...
Just look at the stellar choices you have to pick from... lmao!
Bob, you are so right.
Masnbc ( paid shill for the Dems) is just trumping up false innuendos about the GOP. They get paid a lot to do it ! Making kool aid is expensive these days ( it's the bad Obama economy, lol) .
It keeps people from thinking about the REAL issues........9.1% Unemployment and $15 trillion debt.
Bob-1887910
Are sure you get enough sleep at night? The brain need to rest properly for it to be able function well.....am just advising.
Snarky headline? It is a direct quote. So it is a snarky quote. The guy, and his supporters, are morons.
Compared to the 2 clowns (no offense to clowns intended) in the WH presently I would say most of the candidates would be a major upgrade.
Herman Cain is an idiot! How can you say that something has failed when you don't know the details? How could you know that if you don't bother with the details. Anyone who actually believes the crap that is coming out of Cain's mouth is even a bigger idiot than he is.
He knows exactly what he is doing, in the mean time, he is still making paid speeches. There are alot of people who oppose the President just because he is Barack Obama and to them people I say, that is your loss. You are living a historic moment and yet you squander it with your negative barking. Obama policies is not even as left as Clinton's were but you didn't hear all of this hatred for him. That leads me to one conclusion......umh!
Obama/Biden 2012
Let's reveiw shall we...
Obama had campaigning experience, his education was in political science with a minor in international relations followed up with a law degree, (did he ever practise it or just teach it?). Anyone who has graduated from university knows that a degree is just a door opener and that textbook experience is far from being a hands on experience.
He was a community organizer, he was a state senator of illinois for three terms before being elected as the jr US senator for illinois in 2004.
While being a state senator gave him more experience in campaigning I wonder what his leadership responsibilities were? As for his duties as a US senator did include a stint on the senates foreign relations commitee he seems to have come up short in human relations, economics and leadership.
BTW - there never will be a candidate or incumbent who will know all the details of anything. Except for obama in the area of campaigning, he is a smooth one in that regard.
Certainly on the republican side! That happens when you pander to the ignorant. Obama on the other hand has proven himself above and beyond a doubt that his foreign policy is on the right track and superior to the republican policies (whatever they are today - they seem to change depending on who is advocating something. If it is Obama, republicans automatically reject it, even if it is RIGHT.
Interesting phenomena...
When you report the stupid things that republican candidates say verbatim, it's called being "snarky" and is called liberally biased. This proves to me that a lot of republican support is simply irrational and reactionary since this phenomena shows that the people who complain about the reporting see a problem with reporting what the candidates actually said...which means that in truth they have a problem with the candidate! It's much too deep for them to even understand it themselves! This is how twisted up some "conservatives" are!
You can't make this stuff up.
lib50 - Yep it is so cool for obama to do what you have such a dislike for "pander to the ignorant".
You mean like the words of obama saying "shared sacrifice", "balanced approach", "fairness", "paying their fair share", "affordable", etc??
Think about it lib50, those words and the context they are used in does nothing more than divide our country, not unify it moving forward.
The right has made it clear that new taxes are not acceptable, but program cuts are. To a point I agree with this, however, I understand that eventually our tax system needs an overhaul before just raising taxes on a few.
The left only seems to think that the answer to our problems is more $$$. I say let's put programs in place that address government waste, duplication of services, tax reform and a crushing debt load. Then raise taxes, if required, to create sustainable programs.
Caligula - applies to libs as well, many refer to it as "the human condition".
American wrote:
Have you been paying attention at all to the news about the debt ceiling debate or the Obama Jobs Bill debate?
Or do you not believe either your eyes and ears or any news broadcast other than Faux News? Obama has very clearly put budget cuts on the table AS WELL AS tax increases for the wealthy. Please stop parroting the demagogues!
American...I think that's SOME of the kind of common sense approach most people are looking for (but you blow it when you defend tax breaks for the richest 1%)...but you have one side...the right who NEVER compromises and the other side in the CENTER (because. let's face it, a true left wing has no real power base and doesn't really exist...today's "liberals" look more like Reagan than today's republicans do) that ALWAYS compromises. That's how a party with a minority supported worldview that benefits the top 1% and corporate interests over those of the rest of us gets to drive the political discourse and we all wind up with bad government. Because what in fact may be the best ideas for the country can never even get to the floor for a vote. It doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out.
Angela Williams-3617494
Good grief yes you are correct we are watch our country being changed in to a socialist eu type country right before our very eyes, and who do we have to thank?? Obama and the DNC.
I like what Cain has to say don't know if I'll vote for him yet, I'm a conservative oh wait someone just told me Cain is black. I can't vote for him. sorry.
The GOP/TP needs help from no one to make them look bad. They do quite well all by themselves.
Gee Angela, lets not confuse facts the Obama stated that everything had failed in the Bush Administration until he learned the details...and continued them as well. Nice try though...although I am sure that I will get collapsed...seeing is if you are not a Obama supporter you are collapsed. Just look at Fiesty first roll out the door. Made me think about what came out after dinner last night.
jri37,
RE: your post #4.5
Are you always this adept at deceiving YOURSELF?
SR71: Do you know what a Socialist is? You may wish to look it up sometime.
scrambolo,
RE: your post 4.16
Not as adept as your blind following of an ideology and your worshiping of clowns.
You must be kidding, I had to reread your post. You have a problem with those words? I don't. I don't want all the sacrifices to be on the backs of the ones screwed the most by this bad economy. I don't think it's ok that the top 1% got 275% increase in income since 1979 while the rest of us stayed flat. I don't like the trickle down/no regulation policies of republicans that are directly involved with the growing income disparity. You want to call it class warfare, but don't blame us for starting the war. Republicans have NO DESIRE to "unite" the country, they have been trying to divide us even before Obama got into office. I am tired of the elite using their greatly increased wealth to destroy the middle class. Wake up, my friend. Look at the facts.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/income-doubles-top-percent-1979/story?id=14817561
jri37,
Hopefully, I will NEVER follow ANY candidate blindly. I have learned to use FACTS, LOGIC, and CRITICAL THINKING when determining which person may be best suited for office. That being said, I never demean the office of the President of the United States, no matter who holds the office, by calling MY (OUR) president a clown. Makes US ALL look rather uneducated to the eyes of the world by referring to OUR nation's leader as a clown. Don't you agree? And as far as worshiping any PERSON, no, I reserve that for my GOD! Have a GREAT evening!
If any one can be more uneducated, it HABU.
He steals the name of our best airplane, he is slow on the up take, not too bright, or just the perfect republican shill that stupidity can buy.
Scrambolo,
It is funny how that you only criticize people for personal attacks on public figures that you support. I guess the word hypocrite is not part of your vocabulary or belief system. Uneducated is being a lackey to a person or ideology without questioning any of its tenets. In my life every night is a great evening when you are still drawing breath.
Right: MAKING Cain look bad by quoting him verbatim?? If that weren't so pathetic that would be hilarious!
All of you Libs have to change your mind about money. It is only paper. The government prints as much as they need till it is worth only paper. What we need is production of goods. Production of goods will supply real money.
No one goes into business just so they can hire people. They go into business to make a profit. If they can not make a profit in the State or Country they are in, they will move to where they can make a profit. That is Econ 101. Believe me when I say, "tax the rich and put more government regulations on business and corporations and you will have less jobs". Capitalism works, but crony Capitalism does not. Obama is in favor of crony Capitalism. In real Capitalism, no one is too big to fail.
you can fire a corporation by simply not buying their products, but you can't fire the DMV or the Post Office. They have no incentive to do a good job because if they loose money, we just raise taxes and the government gets more of that phoney paper stuff.
Think about it, if GM and Chrysler had be let to go bankrupt, all of the equipment and buildings would still be there and some new folks would come in and run it. The mortgage crisis was started by liberals that thought everyone should own a home even if they couldn't afford one. All it did was buy votes and that is the liberal socialist agenda. Capitalism does work if the government stays out of the way. Yes, there does need to be some controls, but again if a company puts out a bad product, you can fire them. The days of $50/hr assembly jobs are probably over because employers have found equipment to take their place, but would you say we should get rid of tractors and go back to the pick and shovel? I don't think so. If the government would let Capitalism run the way it is suppose to, there would be plenty of work for everyone. Libs just don't get it. They have this thing about this paper stuff that is just a simpler way of bartering. Instead, they should be thinking about production. Production and the producers are our only hope. Let them have all the paper they want, because they will spend it and create even more production and more jobs. That is how it works, plain and simple. Geez!!!! It's not rocket science.
You stupid conservatives should just give it up. I bet you have never been to ALL the 57 states, let alone be able to name them. LOL!
a-rand that was the best repub talking pt/ memo i've seen in a while what about georges ownership society and the mortgage crisis and the bailouts TARP, auto, where both signed by "W" and big business has more money now than ever before and i don't see the jobs or any trickle down government is not in the way of them buying congress and the senate money from big biz is what killing america all your repub are owned by big biz money FACT own up to it.
@Spider dude here were I live we call godfathers pizza choke and puke! though I will say it has alot to do with the owner of each area godfathers franchise just as with any chain food group cain when he ran the main branch of god fathers pizza was running it into the ground he only seemed to care about profit not quality you may not remember the old days it was awful and almost always undercooked. yes yes chitown pizza is freaken awesome live in calumet city great foods in that area if your brave enough!
LEONA-2986819
So right. So extreme right.
""I have learned to use FACTS, LOGIC, and CRITICAL THINKING when determining which person may be best suited for office. ""
Excuse me, but how do you mean "suitable for office". In the old days, being suitable for office meant that the candidate could/would be able to lead the country. Today....well, you know. The good of the country hardly ever comes up anymore.
Ha, OK then just start with one you do know, and we will take it from there.
Hey Msnbc, instead of criticizing Cain on foreign policy, you should be warning that the "Arab Spring" is turning into an "Arab nightmare". Oooppppsssss.
Now that a few Middle East "dictators" have been toppled, we can all look forward to global Sharia.
can you haters even answer a question how stupid was that comment by cain....wants to be leader of the free fing world....he's running for president or is this a publicy donald trump kind of thing...
you can't even criticize your owe party even on something as foolish as this no wonder you get bush and cain and romney...you deserve em.
lee gop owns you....msnbc didn't stick his foot in his mouth the hermainator did...
So marc, how well did obama know foreign policy, economics, working with others, military affairs?
Heck marc, how many times did obama say "guys, I don't want to screw this up" to a variety of advisors. Now you are concerned with the level of experience of the republican hopefuls?? How droll!
LEONA - are you kidding me?
People who have lived under the thumb of their respective dictators in the Middle East now have the opportunity to be heard and to participate in their government - and this is a bad thing?
Guess what - some of these countries (Libya springs directly to mind) will end up voting in an Islamist regime. Please detail to all of us here just how that will lead to "global Sharia" as you call it.
Please stop the misdirection, manipulation, and fear mongering.
We, as a nation, cannot encourage the peoples of the world to break free of the shackles of tyranny just to turn around and tell them "you're doing it wrong" if they vote in a regime that is not to our liking. It is time to put an end to the American hubris that insists on seeing other nations become carbon copies of ours.
It's a big world, with many differing viewpoints on politics, religion, etc. When you wake up and open your mind to that, instead of reflexively fearing all that is different, you will grow as a human being.
Good luck to you.
The guy is a male version of that bimbo Palin on foreign policy. If you think anybody (other than the faithful wingnuts) will give somebody a pass on this very important issue you will be sorely disappointed.
TiredofLies:
YES!! It's time for so many to grow up and act like responsible citizens of a democracy, paying real attention to politics and public affairs and exercising rigorous critical thinking, regardless of whose point of view comes up short.
Too bad our schools have been forced to teach to the tests rather than teaching our children how to evaluate what they read/hear/see and come to reasoned conclusions about complex issues.
Tired, Have you lived in a country where Sharia law is the rule of law? I have, several of them! I can list all the things I have observed, but I did watch a Shop owner shoot and kill a British women in his shop because she "defamed" him in his eyes. So you would think the police would come in and arrest the shop owner.....nope the Mutaween dragged her out and put her in a van and shook the shop owners hand. There is a reason why they consider Western women whores.
WHOO HOOO Harry's back with another one of his tall tales... lmao!
Say Harry, tell us again how you came home from Viet Nam only to be doused with blood & urine will ya?
You see I'm having difficulty understanding how that could be possible, when you graduated Brunswick High School in 1977! ;o)
Unless of course you own a time machine!
lmao.....Now I know where your getting your wrong info. My ex wife lived in Maine and graduated from that particular school. Ive always married younger women. but you keep going on. Im waiting for you to tell me deployments duty stations and rank. I will give you a hint, I joined delayed entry in 1970. At least get something right besides my name. LMAO..... I see you have your costume on early! Nice broom!
jos1: No, I have not lived in a country that adheres to Sharia law.
I did not comment on any specifics regarding Sharia law. I simply asked how the liberation of millions of former inhabitants of dictatorial regimes would lead to "global Sharia".
BTW, I'm still waiting for the OP to justify their claim. I'm guessing that I'll be waiting for a while.
Keep digging that hole Harry...
Actually, it's a shovel to bury you with... lol
The first rule of leadership is to surround yourselfs with individuals that will carry on the policies that you put forth through your ideology. It seemed to make the Democrats happy when Obama when on the apology tour to our "enemies" and shunned our friends like Queen Elizabeth. But...we wouldn't want to make comparisons on how weak Obama was and still is, we only started looking for Bin Ladin once he became President. Oh Wait....they had been working on that intelligence since 2007. Spin on this First Read.
I don't need to know any foreign policy. I just need to be like Bush#1,Clintion, Bush#2 and Obama and do whatever the Bilderberg group tells me to.
Hey Harry - you little G.I.Joe wannabe - where'd ya go?
Come on... little man... stand up & defend yourself will ya?
U.S. Navy from 1977 unttil they got tired of a bull@!$%#ter....
Only took them 4 years & I month!
LMAO@U Harry Reynold's...
American: LEVEL of EXPERIENCE???? How about just some plain common sense?? Did he pick up a newspaper anywhere at any time in his adult life?? Does he even know where Libya is? Where Afghanistan is? Where Iraq is and why we're there? This guy is just plain scary ignorant about the world and I don't care who you are from ANY political party.
So true Joejibblet, They were ALL agency developed. Especially interesting is the parallels in the development of President Obama and President Clinton's early years. LOL!
What is amassin is how dumbed down Americans are to believe in Studio Wrestin and the Two Party system. LOL!
Fiesty. Holy crap. stop. your only embarrassing yourself. This is the only time I will address you.
just Me or does the republicans sound alot like the old red scare flyers they used to hand out
Herman I don't know and I don't care attitude when this is a part of the job he is applying to. Well lets not give him a four O:clock phone call. NO free pass here Herman shape up or get out.
Cain sounds so like Bush Jr.
looks at Democrat manual....AH CHAPTER 1...when in doubt refer to Rule 1 in Chapter One...blame it on Bush...it will always work.
~Sigh~
Don't know which one sounds more ignorant.
FormerSGT,
RE: your post #7.2
Ever wonder why "...it will always work"? Bing! I knew you'd get-it!
Yes, let's talk about Sharia law, Leona. Firstly, by putting "dictators" in quotations, I must assume that you don't really think they were dictators at all. Usually that's what quotations mean - that you don't wish people to think it's your word, you're stating someone elses belief which you disagree with. So clarify if I've misinterpreted your quotation marks; are you saying that they weren't dictators?
Secondly, Sharia is about imposing strict and barbaric laws against free people. As I see it, it's big government to the extreme. The kind of big government which imposes its will even in the bedroom, as in telling a woman what she must cover, what she is allowed to wear; teaching her that her reproductive system and how she uses it is not a God-given right, it is subject to the rules of the state. A law which tells her that her body is not hers, that it is owned and controlled by the government as well as God as the government defines it. It is about imposing the religious ideology the government leaders believe in; not a society free to practice whatever religion it chooses. It looks the other way when it comes to things like rape and incest; those are just part of a woman's duty.
Yes, Sharia law is a horrible thing, regardless of what one chooses to call it. Welcome to Mississippi.
Great punchline. Really - very nicely done. ;-)
Thanks Tim. I only wish it were a funny punchline instead of a real one.
Rick's real: "Yes, let's talk about Sharia law, Leona. Firstly, by putting "dictators" in quotations, I must assume that you don't really think they were dictators at all"
I don't really care if they ( Libyan leaders etc.) are called "dictators", first of all. Call them whatever you want. Yes, people like Kadaffi are tyrants . NO, we don't belong there.......especially because Obama did NOT get authorization from Congress first. The Libyan people can fight their owns fights. Just like the Syrians are doing. We aren't helping them.
BTW, your comment about Mississippi was unnecessary.
I guess you believe that daughters are being killed by their fathers in Mississippi for not marrying through arranged marriages and that women have to cover up every inch of their bodies in Mississippi??? You are mistaken. That's Islamic Sharia, not Mississippi.
That's only the most extreme form of Sharia law. The laws in most of the Muslim world is based on Sharia law already, and typically is nowhere near that extreme - with exceptions like Saudi Arabia, Iraq and a couple others.
Similarly most of the Western world's law is based on Judeo-Christian/Biblical law, but there are very few animal sacrifices these days.
remember the old who would you want to have a beer with test...i'm wanting to have one with cain to see if he can get any dumber....
Pretty sure you already covered that, but I am not an expert, you might want to try a comparison to who is in the White house...you might actually be smarter than you think.
Former: you may hate the guy's politics but no one beyond the blind haters are going to believe this editor of the Harvard Law review, law professor, US Senator is "dumb". (let me guess...the self described mediocre "C" student who partied his way through college and who couldn't finish a sentence to save his life, proving through eight years just what you get when you have someone who doesn't like to ask anyone a lot of questions was your idea of a brilliant leader??)
AP, I only wondr why his first official act was to seal previous Presidents and HIS records with an Executive Order the first day he was Presient. LOL!
Also, I don not wish to support Bush, he's ALSO part of the problem, but once their grades were released he had a high GPA than Kerry or Gore. LOL!
Not every body is as worried about that Sharia law as you Leona, some people still feel the urge to wrap some womens mouths with scraves, that is probably why certain women should not be the spokeperson for that cause.
You know like Ann Coulter, and Michele Bachmann, and maybe some others, because it may be sad but true, but as they are yapping and yapping some people start to think how nice it would be to stick their heads in a Birka!
your point forrest?
gumpster. Im sorry but your typical conservative would more than likely not put themselves in that situation(subjected to Sharia), however I know some Liberal women who would want to put those chauvinists in their place. And get shot or tossed down a well. There is no such thing as rape under Sharia law.....its always the womens fault!
Forrest: That was absurdly sexist and uncalled for and it doesn't matter that I share your disgust at the politics of both of those women. Attacking them as women is unworthy of any thinking adult and I know you are one.
Forrest, defending Sharia law is a weak position to take. I know what you're trying to say--by toppling the dictator, we run the risk of having an even more restrictive society instead of the more open one we'd like to see. I also appreciate your effort at sarcasm.
However, I take issue with silencing anyone's right to speak, no matter how strident or annoying. You don't have to listen. Just change the channel, don't open the book, and certainly don't give free publicity to these shock jocks (you mention two of them; I can think of two males with initials GB and RL who would give AL and MB a run for their money).
I teach women who have to cover completely except for their eyes. While I respect their religious beliefs, I don't agree with their husbands, who force them to cover their faces. It's not in the Koran to cover their face--that's a cultural thing added on that is demeaning to women.
in a way I agree with you Grump! but as I see it we are trying to force our beliefs on their women telling them that the culture they are from is wrong. @leona And you just because you do not like there choice does not mean they have to change. no one is saying they are going to force sharia law on you so grow up. and stop trying to force others to live the way you feel is the better way to live. we all have choices in life and they all stem from our cultures. and it seems too Me the worse thing a person can do is force one culture on another or do you think we should destroy another culture like we did the native American culture.
sharia law does it have provisions for greedy wall street bankers who sell assets at the beginning of the banking crisis knowing their worthless to other and destroy the u.s. economy.
Nah, we will leave that up to the President with his Jobs bill that will just be a back door to contributions to his candidacy. But then again, we will never find out...the mainstream media and first read are in bed with him. I mean really...isn't Chuck Todd's wife a huge fundraiser for Democrats. Real reporting on politics died with Tim Russert.
dont they practice sharia law in texas and eye for and eye thing...
No Marc but if your a man you can rape anyone you want...because its always the womans fault!
NO!!! ITS ALWAYS BUSH'S fault...when in doubt revert to Rule 1 in Chapter 1 of the Democrat philosophy...it is Bush's fault.
God...to think you guys would have gotten it right by now.
Gee former SGT: considering the space you've filled making everything Obama's fault...I'd think by now you'd learn to look in the mirror on that one. A bit hypocritical...
@jolly is that not what the new anti-abortion bill the republicans are trying to force through congress that says the woman can die as long as the fetus is not dead. oh and not to mention the group out of florida that says life begins before a woman's eggs are fertilized so in cases of rape or incest it is the mothers fault not the mans.and that if she has a miscarriage or takes birth control it is murder which means all women are murders due to mother nature.
Sounds like a winning philosophy to the TeaPublicans!
you see the snl of herman cain...hell i didn't know i would get this far....hell i gott a 3 3 3 plan and 5 5 5 plan...
if he runs and the 9 9 9 tax is imposed i wont be able to afford apples or oranges
For real? Unbelievable! If this man wins be prepared to dial 911.
you mean 9-9-9? I'm sorry, I don't need to know the details of all the emergency numbers. We have experts that can handle that.
you see romney's new campaign button they're reverseable....
Good one! Wonder if he has t-shirts with one view on the front and the other on the back.
Does Pres. Obama know all the current foreign policy details or does he have people filling in the details for him? Just asking....
please obama not smart really you want to go there....he was smart enough to get elected president in the democratic party not the party were brains don't matter (see w bush) if obama knows all the states sounds like he's got cain beat..
Marc, that wasn't the question. I asked if he knows all the current policies in foreign affairs. It's a fair question. The answer is NO. Nobody can "know it all" in this complex world. This whole article and issue might make for good red meat for the left, but not much more than that.
its not left that needs a smart intune president we all need a smart intouch president....
obama does this for a living....cain acts like it's a hobby he's selling his books on tour...he's a motivational speaker not a professor not a student of history he's a pizza guy...i don't even think he's serious do you really....you think palin wasn't just cashing in....or the donald show at the beginning....i think the other are serious canidiates for pres or the nod for v.p. not cain...he's cash in for a fox show he knows he not up to the task...
So I take it you agree with my point that no president, no matter how intelligent, can know everything about world affairs and needs people to handle the details. Cain was right and this article is pointless.
I only pray you're correct marc
no dear i pray that we have one that cares enough about our country to want to learn that cares about learning that is curious...about the world not one that a c.e.o type and think he doesn't need to know that is the vibe i get from cain and frankly most people that i've known that raise to that level...nothing wrong with it....if you stay ceo.
Please...the man is not even curious about the details. Herman Cain needs to get hooked on phonics!
There is a difference between someone filling in the details for a President who has an overall understanding of the situation (President Obama) and someone creating policy for a President who doesn't know and doesn't care. In the latter case (Herman Cain?) we would have a President outsourcing his foreign policy..... to whom?
Probably not, but what I took from the article is his assertion that even though he doesn't know, and doesn't NEED to know all the details, he does have a philosophy of saying who he believes are the friend and enemies of the US. Unfortunately, many times its those details that determine who is a friend and who is an enemy. Or as the saying goes, "Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests." And its those details that many times determine our friends of the moment. "Friends" like Saddam Hussein, when he was killing Iranians (and his own people, but it was OK then), or Manuel Noreiga (worked with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency from the late 1950s until the 1980s, then we decided he was a bad guy who sold drugs and took him out), or the Shah of Iran (put in power by a coup supported by the US, which overthrew a democratically elected leader that we didn't like).
marc huff, Obama did not do this for a living before he was elected president, same as Cain.
Mr. Cain has an graduate degree and has worked in several different capacities and been on several boards of directors. Your insinuation that he is not smart enough for the job is insidious at best.
OldSchoolLatinTeacher--getting the details from someone and not caring about the details are 2 different things.
He didn't say I don't need to research the details myself. See the quote . . . he said I don't need to know the details.
Kate: where does it say even in the MSNBC article that Cain "doesn't care?" I don't see that anywhere.
Well marc, other than showing us all on your beling delusional, got anything else??
BTW - if over 70% of people polled think that America is heading in the wrong direction, how does that play out for a POTUS that is the CEO of America? Shouldn't someone who is smart and potus be able to figure out that he can't keep on doing the same old thing?
Thanks for trying to play sweety!
Andie: You are right, they are two different things. What Cain said is exactly the way Pres. Obama and every other president has operated. Much ado about nothing in this article.
Angela - I so agree with you.
All these right wing "nut-jobs".
1. Cain - Thinks he can run this country like a pizza parlor.
2. Romney - He doesn't know what party he belongs too. Right now it's the Republican, but stay
tuned.
3. Perry - He doesn't know anything about anything
Oh, the REPUBS with their obstructionist behavior and hatred for Barack will come back to hunt them in September.
Although President Obama may have not known about Foreign Policy , he knew where Bin-Laden. George W. didn't even know that and he was the president. We can act like it's not an elephant in the room. It angers people that we have a African American President and it's driving the righties crazy. President Obama is one of the most intelligent, brightest and let's not leave out most handsome President we've had in a long, long time. Repubs. get over it.......repeat after me Obama 2012................
Pathetic use of the race card Max--pathetic and puerile. Look at what years of democratic policies have done for minorities--especially in our larger cities. High poverty and unemployment--lousy schools and no choice but to go to them. And the cruel thing is the left works hard to convince minorities that by doing the same thing different results will occur. But you just keep playing that card.
OldSchool, you must be livid over Cain's play of the race card.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/herman-cain-and-the-race-card/2011/10/10/gIQAVJsRaL_blog.html
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x804125
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/12/cain-plays-the-i-am-blacker-card/
lib: Nice sources. Why didn't you go to Moveon or DailyKos while you were at it? I read the WAPO link--the most legitimate link of a bad lot. Cain was correct in what he said there as well and his comments actually dovetailed nicely with the points I made in 17.17 but you have a good day.
in 24 hours yesterday he went from support the firefighter on issue two to supporting kasick and the anti union legislation....he does more in one day than most people can screw up in a live time....new slogan you dont like me today wait till tommorrow
His plan is to support NINE allies, oppose NINE enemies and just say NEIN to the Germans.
LOL john
Without even having to read the article. The President was constantly beseiged on his alleged lack of foreign policy experience during the 08 cycle and criticized that his time in the US Senate/Foreign Relations Committee was a hot minute.
If during the 08 cycle or any Presidential cycle for that matter, any candidate would ever utter or imply in flippent fashion, that matters of foreign policy were things reserved for the back burner, should and would w/o a doubt be laughed out of the room and yet that is somehow an acceptable position of Cain?!?!?
Nice representation of today's "leading" GOP candidates.
Allen, he was beseiged only by Hillary Clinton during the primaries. After Pres. Obama won the nomination, the left circled the wagons...
No we accurately noted that Obama lacked ANY leadership experience to be president and he has proven us to be correct. Obama remains an incompetent president who will be out of office on January 20th, 2013
Agreed Larry, but the only voice against Barack Obama during the primaries was from Clinton. The media was predictably silent especially after the nomination.
hard for you guys to give credit.....obama's got balls and brains and is likable.....and is acutally interested in the world and learning about it....cain saying i don't need to know anything...typical anti thinking g.o.p puppet...but if it makes you feel good pretend that obama dumb..
if you guys are suggesting that cain would learn on the job forget it...he doesn't think he needs to it's called arrogant....and that's dangerous
McCain continued to hammer at the same issue during the General Election, until he made his commenatary about the fundamentals of the economy being strong and played defense from there on out.
Larry, that may be your perspective about the President (though for the record I completely disagree), but with that said, what do you offer as evidence of "leadership" from the current crop of GOP candidates outside of you simply saying they just have it while the President doesn't have it?
marc: Here's some credit for you. I give him credit for keeping Gitmo open. Took balls to admit he was wrong especially after that very public signing of an executive order to close Gitmo. I give him credit for predator strikes and getting UBL. W should have done more of that. Took balls to continue W's policies and in some ways improve on them. There are others as well..
But that fact remains that Cain's statement is exactly what every President has to do, including this one: have people keeping track of the details in world affairs.
Political Tunnelvision limits free thought.
Yessirree, Cain definitely sure are the smartest of the GOP candidates. His density would be fine if we lived on a remote and possibly fictional island, like Bali Hai, but no, we do not.
When are they trotting out the Lucky Charms Leprechaun?
sorry w's policy was not to go into patiskstan w. didn't have the balls....mccain preached obama didn't know what he was doing naive was the word in the debate.....if i have actionable intel that osama bin laden is in patiskstan i will take action without their patis knowledge....say it did it...because he doesn't have to depend totally on his advisor he knows what he wants and does it...if you don't have any idea of foreign policy how do you know that your not getting lied to.....like ah cheney and that whole wmd iraq thing...bush got hoodwinked...by oh his trusted advisor dickie boy..
thinks is ibity ibity stan stan
If anything our recent successes in the war on terrorists can be attributed to the earlier failures and our military understanding how to correct them. If you honestly think Obama is sitting there making these decisions without consulting people who actually in the know, I've got some swampland down here in FL for you to buy.
What about our own President stating that he hasn't made any mistakes? Is that not arrogance, President Bush said the same thing but I am sure people like yourself would disagree with that. How is that for a double standard...oh and to boot...he kept a majority of the foreign policy stances that Bush had as well.
But again...riding the coat tails to glory and trashing those that make him look bad seems to be the agenda ot the President since day one, blame if wrong...take credit if right.
Latin teacher, Obama had plenty of voices rising against him in the last election: McCain, Palin, Joe the Plumber, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, FOX news, etc. etc. etc. He was hardly handed the presidency on a silver platter. Don't you remember the very long, bruising primary he had with Clinton? Then he had to deal with all of the people who were upset about Hillary not winning the nomination and not being picked for VP. Don't you remember the whole birther stupidity? Maybe not. You may have selective memory. Since he's been president, he's also had opposition from day 1 from the GOP and the tea party people.
Bethie: No kidding... Of course political opponents would bring the issue up. Other than Fox News, which of all the rest of the major news outlets did hard-hitting investigating reports about then candidate Obama?
Also, did you really believe that Pres. Obama would have no critics? Too many people oppose his policies just like what happened to GWB on the other end of the spectrum. Remember the forged document that cost Rather his job? It's America. Be grateful political opposition can happen without repercussions. My memory is far from selective, however, you might want to consider that political tunnelvision obscures clear thought. BTW: I'm libertarian and was no fan of GWB either.
What Cain is appropriately noting and that liberals deride (as they deride everything that isn't of a marxist/socialist ideology) is that Presidents utilize a NSA (National Security Advisor), a Secretary of State, Intelligence briefings and others to give them the details as needed.Â
A president or especially a presidential candidate does not need to know EVERY detail of foreign policy in order to present your vision and general approach to foreign policy.
This really is about the leftist racism towards any black man or woman who dares to think for themselves instead of submitting to their liberal white masters.
sorry dude,,,cain saying i'm the boss i'm the decider where have we heard that before...no ones twisting his words he was a c.e.o he thought he was god....and obviously still does...this aint no disco this aint no liberal plot to make him look the fool...sorry...bud...
Cain is an excellent candidate whom I would have no reservations voting for.
I actually agree with 3/4 of your post until you went into that KKK rant in your last statement.
We said Larry.
i have no doubt you will vote for cain unfortunately he'll be working for fox news by then buck dude..
OR Pres. Obama will be working for MSNBC--that would be a perfect fit.
Have a good day...
, you are wrong! It is the presidents job to know at all times as the Commander in Chief! yes he has advisors, just like any CEO has esecutives but if you don't know what is going on in your business or the country then yuo are a puppet led by the people you delegate your authority too. No Commander will relinquish that power. Oh wait, we had one of those for 8 years not to long ago.
Common, does that mean that the president knows exactly what is going on in every action by every department in the government? Based on your statements, you seem to be implying that Obama could tell us, without out asking his advisors, specifically what is happening. I'd make a bet with you that he cannot.
Here is a simple test that could prove you wrong - too bad it won't happen. Go the the Department of Health and Human Services web site and find any of the final rules that were implemented after passage of PPACA (health care reform) and ask the president details about the rules or compliance with the rules and I'll guarantee you he could not answer the question on the spot.
The point is that no president or CEO will ever know all the details but they will know the big picture items.
We actually have one of those now commonsense...but you don't seem to have enough of your name to be able to recognize it. HEY!!!! I have an idea, you can dress up like a zombie and chant O...BAMA, O...BAMA all the way to getting something free from your neighbor. That would actually fir in with the mentality and political stances of finance within the current administration.
Better yet, ask Obama about details of his AG's "Fast and Furious" gun-running, cop-killing program. See how much he knows about that.
Being prior service, it is literally impossible to know what is going on...all the time. That is why we have Ambassadors and the CIA and the NSA. They give the President briefings to update him on what is going on. If you think Cain is just going to kick his feet up when he gets into office...I guess that would be no different to the comparison of trips, golf course visits and dinners that we have had at the White house in the last three years. I remember Pelosi bagging Bush about a 4.9 Unemployment rate...where is she now? OH YES...refer to Democrat Talking points, Chapter One, Rule One...Blame Bush.
No Mark...it is going to make Obama look bad so for one...the press will bury it unlike the Iran Contra Affair, and worst case scenario Eric Ho9lder will take the bullet for the President, pun intended.
so tell me who are his advisor I'm sure a pizza boy out there thats capable to be a foreign policy wonk
 I swear you would think these Teapublicans are making this up for comic relief. It's just too easy to poke fun at them that you almost feel guilty doing it. Kind of like picking on the stupid kid at school.
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It's fun for now, but imagine the nightmare if a Herman Cain or Michele Bachmann actually won somehow. I would rather a reasonable moderate like Romney or Jon Hunstman be nominated. At least then we know we're not getting someone who is totally unqualified to be President.
Heck, Cain was even a lousy CEO, and that was with dictatorial powers.
"Cain, over a 30-month period, reduced the company from 640 stores to 563. As a result of his efforts, Godfather's Pizza sales were reduced from $275 million in 1986 to $242.5 million in 1988. Godfather's Pizza was performing poorly, and had slipped in ranks of pizza chains from 3rd in 1985 to fifth in 1988. In a leveraged buyout in 1988, Cain, Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan and a group of investors, bought Godfather's from Pillsbury. Godfather's sales remained level with Cain as CEO, ending at $265 million for 540 stores in 1996, when he resigned."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain
Yeah, then we might be stuck with what we have had for the last 3 years.
OOOO Wikipedia, there is a scholarly and reliable source of information.
Hey Clotho...how about some real facts on that?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/jun/10/did-herman-cain-turn-around-godfathers-pizza/
"Yeah, I don't know the details, but I can tell ya who our friends and enemies are!"
Brilliant. I'm glad the world is so cut and dried, black and white, good and evil. Hey Herm, start with Pakistan and let us know what category they fall under. Then lets move on to Saudi Arabia, Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Kazakhstan (wonder if he knows where that is?), Malaysia, Egypt, etc...
Perhaps he can see some of them from his backyard, and thats all he needs to know about them?
Doesn't matter. No chance in Hades the GOP political machine will allow him to be the nominee. None. At. All.
Seems that you understand the complexities of foreign policies more than Herm does and since this is only a book selling tour, more than he ever will.
hearing fox news rumbling for herman he's funny
Which of the 57 states do you guys live in?
I'm not sure Shogun, maybe we can ask Tina Fey if she can see anyone from her backyard...or maybe we could ask Danny Glover to imitate Herman Cain and ask the same questions. He already said that he would eliminate funding countries like Pakistan if he became President...it would help if you got information from somewhere other than MSNBC. You know...where they spoon feed you the stuff a bull passes after eating in the fields.
THANK YOU JOLLY....just a little quote from our current President while he was on the campaign trail. I guess someone had stolen his teleprompter before that!!!
No, just a simple mistake...he was talking about districts not states...but you go ahead and equate that with not even being able to name one of the countries were fighting a war in.... ("those STAN place") ...
Mitt the Twitt he's our man if can't do it no one can!! Ya Team
Cain and his dumb teabagger supporters don't have a freaking clue.
See how desperate we teabaggers are to get Obama out of office? We are entertaining Cain as President. Personally, I would prefer a different democrat in place if Obama at minimum.
starterup and pp,
Teabaggers and any one who can think want obama out.
As far as Cain goes, anyone (with enough bucks OR connections) can run. It doesn't mean that a specific political group backs someone unless people who can't see beyond their noses what to believe it.
Personally, I think Cain needs to take himself and his completely stupid ideas out of the campaign.
Gotta be better than the stupid shovel ready jobs that never came forth like the President said on BOTH counts.
Guess you missed all the highway funding ...pretty damn big shovels around here...course you go right ahead believing your hero GW didn't spend a dime on those bailouts and TARP (nah...a Republican would never lead us to the brink of a great depression and start two wars that he kept off the accounting books while he spent like the end of the world was near now would he....)
I can hardly get to work with all the detours. So many bridges and highways being rebuilt in my area, it is taking me an extra 15 minutes on what is usually a half hour drive. The real problem, is it seems only a few people are benefiting from the extra dollars being put in the economy. It just isn't "trickling" down.
This guy Cain is an "empty head'ed animal food trough wiper" and is the current JOKE upon the citizens of this once great country.
Vote for Ron Paul, the only candidate who has any integrity at all.
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hey allen question went to see a buddy in belevue/omaha in like 1978 he took us to a godfather pizza wasn't that the original godfather's. wasn't that were he started....thanks been wondering ?
Hey, marc, if you are truly wondering, you should be doing some research.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/jun/10/did-herman-cain-turn-around-godfathers-pizza/