2012: Cain knocks Romney on health care

CAIN: Herman Cain, per NBC’s Andrew Rafferty, spoke in Corpus Christi, TX, at a Nueces County Republican Women dinner. About 900 people attended. “I don’t know how many of you saw that last debate. I didn’t realize that that bull’s eye on my back was that big. They came after me like I had talked about their mama.” More: “Back in the early 1990s when I was a businessman running Godfather’s Pizza, I had to fight HillaryCare and be an outspoken voice against HillaryCare During the passage of ObamaCare, I had to fight ObamaCare and he passed it anyway against the will of the people. So it seems that many of my years have been fighting some kind of Care – HillaryCare, ObamaCare, and now I have to fight RomneyCare to get the nomination.”

And on foreign policy, where he has stumbled, Cain said, “I don’t need to know the detail of every one of the issues we face.  We’ve got plenty of experts who can fill in the details.  But we need to have a philosophy as to how we are going to approach dealing with every nation on the planet that we have or might have a relationship with.”

National Journal reports: “Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has collected over $680,000 in corporate director fees and stock-option exercises since the beginning of 2010, according to a just-released financial disclosure form. The paperwork also indicates that the former Godfather's Pizza CEO used some of his personal wealth to float his campaign a loan worth upwards of $500,000.”

PERRY: “President Barack Obama’s political machine is increasingly making common cause with Texas Gov. Rick Perry against a shared enemy: Mitt Romney,” Politico writes.

ROMNEY: Mother Jones has this story: "Walid Phares, the recently announced [2] co-chair of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Middle East advisory group, has a long résumé. College professor. Author. Political pundit. Counterterrorism expert. But there's one chapter of his life that you won't find on his CV: He was a high ranking political official in a sectarian religious militia responsible for massacres during Lebanon's brutal, 15-year civil war."

“In recent weeks, Mitt Romney has given fresh life to the longtime political complaint that he lacks a core,” Boston.com’s Glen Johnson writes. “The criticism has been leveled anew both by rival Democrats and Republicans, who may be hyperbolic as they work to dethrone him as a GOP presidential front-runner. The consistency of the complaint, though, underscores a major challenge the former Massachusetts governor faces if he hopes to win his party’s nomination and unseat President Obama just over a year from now. Can voters still getting to know him grow to trust what he says?”

Karl Rove on FOX yesterday said of his backtracks on the Ohio law, per GOP 12: "I think he made a mistake yesterday by saying 'Oh, it's not up to me'. I think it was smart of him to recognize how problematic that was. .... Who didn't think about this issue when they knew they were going to Ohio and going to a phone bank where they were calling people on behalf of proposition five? This happens in a campaign, but it's problematic, because it adds to the narrative that he is not strong. The good news is, so far, he's stronger than the rest of the pack."

“Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is leading the polls in all four early voting states, according to four polls released today by CNN/TIME/ORC International,” Boston.com’s Political Intelligence blog writes.

The Boston Globe: “In his second run for the White House, Romney is portraying his home state—and his own role in it—in a different light. Rather than showcase how hard he fought against liberal Massachusetts politicians, he cites how he was able to work with them to get things done. Rather than disparage the state’s political culture, he holds it up as an example of how bipartisanship should be conducted in Washington—and why he should be the one to make it happen.”

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No one can get excited about either of these candidates . or any of the GOP lineup ..They are as exciting as wheat bread ..its there ..but you really don't want it ...if worse comes to worse you can put peanut butter on it to kill the bad taste!

But its still wheat bread ! The GOP has no idea what is about to befall them in 2012 !

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Reply#1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:42 AM EDT

You know it is kind of funny, but I always thought that the liberals were all for wheat bread and tofu and other organic type stuff......kind of goes along with earth mother, being green (not in the Martian sense)

    #1.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
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    "...and now I have to fight RomneyCare to get the nomination."

    Hah, great line. This guy is getting better as a candidate. Still a steep learning curve (not talking wonkish details here - just political skills), and one he wasn't prepared for at the start. But for whatever odd reasons, his early stumbles have been seen as endearing by a lot of Republicans, and he's obviously a quick study.

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    Reply#2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:51 AM EDT

    Cain is just a corporate shill for the Koch brothers. If the 1% is the most important to you and you don't think you want or need social security or medicare then Cain is your man. His 999 plan is nothing but a give-a-way to the rich. Just doing the job that the Koch's sent him to do.

    The song Cain really needs to sing is "I'm your puppet".

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    Reply#3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:06 AM EDT

    And obama is corporate/hedge fund shill for George Soros.

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    #3.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT

    And I have often wondered who is the puppet master for Obama.....the man has achieved nothing of substance in his adult life. He has campaigned for and won political offices and then not done one of the things that was promised, as it was promised (note the caveat) He can stir people up to anger, hatred, and jealousy. He seems to be adept at bringing the worst out in all of us. He loves to watch us waste our time and breath tearing each other apart, because then, persumably, we are not watching what Washington is doing to us.

      #3.2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT

      Pete - If people want to continue to receive Social Security and Medicare then they better not vote for Cain or Romney or Perry because they plan to end these programs against the will of the people. So you can play the "I know you are but what am I" game all day long if you want but that just obfuscates the real issues here and you know it.

        #3.3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
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        Why doesn't anyone ever complain about the public subsidized health care our congressmen get? Their guaranteed pensions? Count how many presidents are alive and compare them to how many congress people and same who used to be and are now lobbyists that get public money. It's easy to call a health care plan Obamacare, but he didn't come up with it. It's the Congress who are taking the bribes. It's the congress who make the shady deals. It's the congress who sold their souls to corporate interests. And it's you poor ignorant fools who are led though emotional propaganda who willingly give away your power to change things for the better. The few of you who do vote rubber stamp the corruption inherit throughout the electoral system and whine and cry like the children you are when the finger you point should be directed at the person in the mirror.

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        Reply#4 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:09 AM EDT

        I have complained bitterly about this stuff for years, along with the fact that under our constitution, they have no right nor authority to enact any program for the American people that doesn't apply equally to them....but they have, and we have tolerated it, and we have paid for it and will continue to pay for it.

          #4.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT
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          The citizens of Portland are electing a mayor next month. (Up to now, the town council has filled that role.) At a recent forum, I heard three candidates debate what the newly created position entails.

          One woman said the mayor's position will have less responsibility than the city manager's, freeing the mayor to "think outside the box," specifically, generating ideas for marketing Portland. The next candidate pounced on that, saying, the mayor has more responsibilty than the city manager, he is the one people will go to when there is a problem, whether it's pot holes to be fixed, or the state of our schools.

          The third candidate who spoke is the one I support for mayor, Michael Brennan. He disagreed with the concept of the mayor as the one person who should solve every problem. He said, if the schools are failing it's everybody's problem. We all need to take responsibility for our community, and do what we can, in our own roles, to solve these problems. He sees the position of mayor as looking at the big picture, and connecting to other cities in Maine and nationally, to address our shared issues. When he spoke, it resonated with me. I couldn't help thinking, how often do we hear national politicians define their jobs so clearly? Instead, the national politicians try to pretend they can be all things to all people, or, like Bush used to say, define themselves as the "Decider."

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          Reply#5 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT

          The GOP plan for health care is to purchase plans via the free market. If you can't afford it, too bad. They don't care. Survival of the fittest is their creed and if an individual can't pay for their treatment, hopefully their church will pick up the tab for their cancer operation or prescription drugs. Welcome to the new America.

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          Reply#6 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT

          Don't you get it? Please go back online and read all 2000 pages of Obamacare, because the government isn't going to pay for the cancer operation or the prescription drugs either, particularly if you are over a certain age. If you are retired, basically you will receive next to nothing in terms of treatment, because you are considered too old to be worth the investment. One of the reasons health insurance costs so much is that doctors, hospitals, clinics, pharmacies...they are all trying to make up the deficit for the free care that they give our already, and it is on the backs of those of us who pay. There is nothing coming for free in the mail to any of us other than the royal shaft.

            #6.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
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            Go Cain, Go Romney, Go Gingrich!!! Can't wait till 2012... I was just thinking, if I default on my student loan, who pays for that now that the Government has taken over another program it should stay away from? Also, why didn't Obama tell everyone the impact of his Student Loan program? I'm sure everyone would be interested to know that they will be saving an additional $4 - 7$ per month. Now thats savings you can count on...imagine how that will stimulate the economy!!!

              Reply#7 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:20 AM EDT

              JFK2112 - You're forgetting the little detail that after 20 years the balance remaining is forgiven. This is a huge deal especially since many students have tens of thousands of student loan debt they can never hope to repay in a lifetime. So this program is a bigger deal that you think. Also, if you're having trouble finding a job and your income is very low, the payment will only be 10% of disposable income. That's also a big deal. It means these kids can get on their feet and as their income grows they will be able to pay more of their loan and their interest rates will go down. Don't dismiss this plan summarily.

                #7.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT

                Please define disposable income, because having worked like a dog since college, and often having more than one job at a time....I am not sure exactly what disposable income means. Does that mean after taxes and after social security, and after the other items that the government takes from you? Or does that mean after you pay your just debts like rent, car payment, food, clothing, student loans included?????

                  #7.2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT

                  Sue, I believe it will mean income after taxes or perhaps adjusted gross income. I've heard several different scenarios...still trying to find out all the details.

                    #7.3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT

                    Laurie, here are the details...you will save between $4 - $7 a month. What you do with that windfall is totally up to you. Personally I'd invest it in Solar.

                      #7.4 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT
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                      Even though I am a liberal Democrat - and will vote for President Obama - I really like Herman Cain! How can you not like him?! I find myself rooting for him during the GOP debates!

                      We Dems had better not underestimate this man! He is likable, real, smart, funny, and personable. He has dominated the debate this fall with his 999 plan - forcing others like Perry to scramble and come up with their own plans. With a moderating VP like a Haley Barbour-type, I think he would pose a formidable challenge in 2012. He simply has that elusive "it" factor.

                      Of course the "establishment GOP" is going crazy! Karl Rove, Steve Schmidt, etc. are beside themselves over Herman's staying-power in the polls ever since the Florida Straw poll nearly five weeks ago.

                      The "Cain Train" is chugging along, faster and faster!

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                      Reply#8 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT

                      Monet, I'm like you - a Democart and quite amused by Herman Cain. Unfortunately he is being used by the GOP to deflect any racist charge that they are anti-Obama because he's black. While no GOP is saying it, they are secretly hoping that he will be eventually eliminated by Romney or Perry. But wouldn't it be VERY funny if Hermain does win the GOP nomination and a black man still ends up in the White House. Mitch McConell would commit hari Kari for sure :-)

                        Reply#9 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT

                        Father - Rich, you my friend are an idiot. No one brings up race except for the left because they have no answers for what Obama is doing. Truly Laughable.

                          #9.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT

                          JFR2112 - What's your problem calling people names here? If you can't debate on the merits then perhaps your arguments are weak. Look to yourself before you call someone else a derogatory name.

                            #9.2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT

                            Laurie, how do you debate such an assinine post. Really??? Come on now...

                              #9.3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
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                              Personally, I don't care what happens to the economy as long as I get my food stamps, SSI, WIC, Section 8, and Medicaid every month.

                              Love and trust your government.  Your government loves you.

                                Reply#10 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT

                                I do so hope that is said with sarcasm, because if not, then I figure that society has pretty well lost the war and better just pack it all in now.

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                                #10.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT

                                Nami - Well, I guess that makes you superior now doesn't it? Hmm....ever hear of the French or Russian Revolutions? Perhaps a small history lesson will help clear your mind of thoughtless comments.

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                                #10.2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT

                                Laurie, you are such a hyppocrite. You scold Nami for his thoughtless comments, but yet say nothing about Father Rich except that I shouldn't be name calling. Make sure you do the same for Feisty, Bev and the Bunch.

                                  #10.3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT
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                                  On the lighter side:

                                  This being the day that all the indoctrinated go to thier little houses filled with pagan images and worship a man that never existed by that name on a made up day they call the sabbath. The Sabbath being designated by Yaweh as Friday evening till saturday at dusk.

                                  I propose we eliminate the National debt by confiscating all their property and double the amount each has to pay. After all the wars they have used the U.S. citizens for it is only right and they want to do what is right. They are so use to indoctrination they would all have made good Nazi's.

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                                  Reply#11 - Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:04 AM EDT
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