"Romney backtracks, says he fully supports Ohio governor '110 percent'"

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ..................how pre-DICK-table is this guy, anyhoo??

Does he think these kinds of things aren't going to wind up in campaign ads down the road??

Hoo-Boy, what a dunce.

Let's see... sun comes up, dog chases car, Willard backtracks...

Where's the news?

Ring, ring, ring! All right class, two quick lessons for the day. There is a vast difference between a flat tax and a flat-rate tax. We must stop using these terms interchangeably. We should also demand that those who report the news get this straight. (Come on First Read folks.)

The other lesson is primarily for Mitt, who is still looking for the other half of his wits. Mitt, you cannot offer more than 100% support. That's all there is - 100%. It scares the daylights out of me that you think you can balance the budget when you can't grasp that simple concept.

The GOP can only blame itself. They are the ones who made a big deal out of John Kerry's "Flip Flopping." They are the ones who, in a spectacular display of immaturity, shook flip flops in Kerry's face and turned the term "Flip Flopper" into a political insult.

They did all this to get Dubya elected,what a waste. Anybody that didn't see this biting the GOP at some point in the future wasn't thinking things through.

This is the problem with putting short term gain over all other considerations. It's not like they couldn't foresee the necessity of changing positions from time to time. When Dubya ran the first time he did so as a "Compassionate Conservative" who wanted a "Humble foreign policy."

Now the best chance the GOP has is Mitt Romney. If flip flopping were basketball Romney would be Michael Jordan in his prime and John Kerry would be Erkel. There is no comparison, at least there isn't if you live in the reality based community.

This is the real Romney 110% flip flop. OMG........What a show GOP/TP clowns are providing us every passing hour.

But you can earn more than a 100 percent profits on investments. You can see where he was raised. And those 100+ percent profits buy a lot of silver spoons.

Like a moth to a flame, Weathervane Willard flops again. Does this man have any core values?

Al in Visalia CA

Core values from a man that flips 110%? Please don't fall for anything more than 100%.

110 percent vote of confidence, eh? Sounds familiar.

I believe that's what the Ohio State athletic director said about head football coach Jim Tressel just before he resigned.

Mitt should be very careful hitching his wagon to the Kasich train. Issue 2 is going down by a fairly large margin and it is, very much, a referendum on Kasich. Kasich is not well liked and if Mitt associates himself with him, Mitt could easily lose Ohio should he win the Republican nomination.

nisl:

I guess the same way the Democrats didn't see that disrespecting Bush wasn't going to get the favor returned with Obama.

Romney IS NOT the best chance for the Republicans. He will not even get out of the primary.

You people do realize, don't you, that a year from now, nobody is going to care what any candidate thought about Ohio Issue #2?

RIght?

This endless reporting of what every candidate says, every day is turning everyone into mind numb robots. Posting the same garbage evry day, myself included.

It's just stupid.

IntheMiddle - Yeah, I'm sure Democrats disrespecting Bush is the cause of Republicans disrespecting Obama. It had nothing to do with being appointed by the Supreme Court, getting less votes, lying us into a war, Enron, torture, politicizing the Justice Department, outing a CIA agent, etc... And, I suppose, Republicans were only disrespecting Clinton and going on insane witch hunts up to impeaching Clinton because they knew that Dubya would be disrespected after Clinton left office. They have psychic powers! Really IntheMiddle, your comment shows a stunning lack of knowledge about the politics of the nineties.

And Romney is the best chance for the Republicans. Who else do they have? Perry? Perry is dumber than Dubya and has more baggage than a fully loaded C130. Cain? Go for it. Bachmann? Well, she is a perfect reflection of today's Republican Party.

A pet peeve of mine is 110%. No matter how hard one tries, a person cannot give more or support more than 100%. Nitpicking, I know, but that is one of those expressions whether spoken by upper management or politicians that annoys me. They all do it but it sounds silly.

This might be a new land speed record for Mitt it took him less than 24 hours to flip- flop on this one, he is getting better and much faster at his flip-flopping, practice makes perfect.

I agree with you Jody, 115%!

WCA

Naaa.....it ain't stupid. The people need to be 110% well informed.

we should rename the asian carp. what do you think? the mitt fish or the romney?

WhiteCollar: yeah, this free press, democracy stuff is just so annoying, isn't it??

WCA: You people do realize, don't you, that a year from now, nobody is going to care what any candidate thought about Ohio Issue #2?

Those of us in Ohio will.

So, when Kerry flip-flopped, that was just changing his mind or position as a Democrat. But you know, if Romney does it, yeah....like there is any reason to ever not take what a radical red-faced extremist who only wants to vote for one party at face value.

Here's what I'd say: The swiftboaters were a-holes. The current crowd from the right AND the left attacking Romney are a-holes. There's just no difference....the people who are accusing candidates of flip flopping are a-holes no matter what!

See, if you think (i.e. use your brain) you change your mind, and guess what, political reasons are TOTALLY LEGITIMATE for changing your minds. Spineless are the people who can't absorb a critical thought. You know, an example is a Douchebagger, red-faced, oinking for the destruction of the country just because they can't get over their propaganda. Another example is that nutcracking leftist who thinks arctic seals should have the same rights as a US citizen (you know, including the right to a free trial, etc. )

Romney is certainly the best candidate on the right and if anyone thinks he doesn't have a chance against Obama, given the track record of the last three years, they are smoking some seriously heavy weed. I'm not saying Romney is a lock for a win, but only a non-thinking fan would think he wouldn't have a chance.

Go on with your First Read propaganda, though. Because obvioulsy posting here and not changing your mind gets the endorphins going.

How can you tell when Mitt is lying? Ahh that's to easy. It's when his lips are moving.

I was for it before I was against it. Looks like he just signed off on Ohio and Michigan. He'll never carry those states now.

Hahahaha.

When televangelist Pat Robertson rails against extremism by Republican candidates on his 700Club program, it should be a wake up call for the GOP. Even extremism can apparently be taken too far, according to this veteran of the religious right.

Of course, Robertson does not reject the content of extremist positions themselves; his objection is that the extreme views that appeal to their far-right base will cost the Republicans the general election. What’s bad about extremism, apparently, is not the radical nature of these opinions as much as the fact that you can’t win the presidency if you espouse them. As he noted on his program, “Those people in the Republican primary have got to lay off of this stuff. They’re forcing their leaders, the frontrunners, into positions that will mean they lose the general election.”

Robertson is right about that, at least. Just ask Barry Goldwater. Tea Party denizens today are very fond of carrying signs at their rallies that quote Barry Goldwater’s famous phrase from his 1964 speech accepting the Republican presidential nomination: “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”

They should also be reminded that Barry Goldwater lost that election. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/pat-robertson-dont-take-extremism-to-extremes/2011/10/24/gIQAU1jMFM_blog.html

Keep up the good work...of self-imploding. Teapublicans, you are your own worst enemy.

Derek - I mostly agree with you. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with changing your position based upon previously unknown facts or events in your life that lead to an epiphany. People do it all the time. I'd even agree those whom are incapable of changing their minds are either intellectually stunted of politically spineless.

That said, the term "Flip Flop" is now permanently a part of our political lexicon thanks to the 2004 campaign. Calling everyone who "attacks" someone on the basis of their lack of intellectual consistency an a-hole, however, is a tad excessive. Or, maybe, political consultants of all ideologies that shape messages are by their very nature a-holes, and calling them such is redundant. You choose.

That said, Romney is so incredibly ideologically pliable that any political consultant that did NOT make it a campaign issue in today's political environment would be committing malpractice. Think about it; the last election saw Tea Partiers challenging long sitting Republican Congresscritters on the basis of ideological purity. Like it or not, the Republican party has been culling those it finds less than 100 % consistent; that is the reality of today's politics. Add to this the conventional wisdom that Romney is a serial flip flopper who has changed his position on almost everything, that Romney IS the embodiment of political opportunism, and you may come to the conclusion that attacking Romney on the basis of his "flip flopping" doesn't make you an a-hole, it merely makes you observant.

Also, you are correct, Romney is the GOPs best chance for 2012 and he can win against Obama. I hope he doesn't and doubt he will, but it is a distinct possibility.

PS - I'm fairly liberal but I've never heard of anyone saying arctic seals deserve a day in court. Do you have a link or a reference I can google? Are you sure you aren't just reaching for a false equivalency so you can wag your finger at both sides? You are comparing the Tea Party movement, made up of thousands of people, to one guy?

RE: Issue 2 (of Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum) -- If you haven't watched video of the "board" debating whether fire fighters should have to purchase their own safety equipment, and the lie one member used saying police purchase their own bullet-proof vests, and the OBVIOUS need for the Chief of Police or head of the Fire Department to be involved to correct the lies, and to inform the board, please look at this. This would apply to any profession, whether a doctor knowing he needs a scalpel or a teacher knowing she needs a chalk board, it's craziness not to allow the actual departments to participate in such decisions.

@nisl: Fair enough on some of your stuff. But the arctic seal lover is a bit of a hyperbole. Much as I alude to your average 'Tea Partier' as being a pig. But sometimes insulting extremists just seems necessary, as they freely insult others. So, for me, I can't stop referring to the extremists of the 'right' as fat-faced pigs, and the extremists of the left as people who want to have sex with seals. It invokes an image about as extreme and ludicrous as the arguements they make in real life.

It seems on the surface that Ohio's Question 2 will contract Ohio's union bargaining position if passed. Probably the fine print differs from similar action in Wisconsin earlier this year. A key difference is in Ohio the idea will be voted on by all citizens not just legislators as in Wisconsin.

Whether or not Romney knew or didn't know the details earlier doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is his clarification that he stands with the Governor on Ohio Question 2. Whenever we learn what a candidate actually stands for at least then we can formulate our own views about her/him.

Romney has been charged recently to be RINO. Standing with Governor Kasich on Ohio Question 2 helps solidify Romney with a conservative Republican base.

I'm guessing he already has.

While wearing magic crotchless underwear from Victoria's secret, because he has no balls.

Would you like pancakes or waffles "I'll have the panckes" okay I'll bring you both then.

You want to talk rich?

Union rules allowed a public employee nurse in California to make 270K, no heavy lifting.

The 1% are the rich elite unionized government employees, with lifetime job security and gold plated pensions, and the 99% are the suckers whom they steal from.

"Corporations are people, my friend." And so are unions.

gold plate pensions? The average Maine teacher retires on $19,000 a year and is not allowed to draw Social Security, even if it was deducted from their paychecks from another job.

Wisconsin public workers agreed to every monetary sacrifice that was asked of them, and they still had their bargaining rights taken away.

All state and local positions in management and above are either elected, appointed or hired as non-union personnel. They are the ones negotiating union contracts. Sometimes without a thought it seems.

Bob-1887910

be real. what's your take on GOP/TP field of clowns?

It just goes to show you Bob that unions don't prevent people from reaching their full personal potential, my union allows me to be paid as much as my employer is willing to pay me. It's a great thing in America to be able to make as much money as you can, I love capitalism, unions love capitalism, Bob only likes it sometimes, for some people.

I should have added nice try at spin Bob.

Unions love capitalism.

Oh my Forrest, that's a good one.

So capitalism, were a worker's earning are determined by their individual worth?

Like that?

Merit pay, tenure, compelled union dues. Yep, a real capitalistic model them unions.

@ Forrest Funny my father (who worked at GM for 40 years) would say the union forced him to pay the slackers the same amount as the guy who really met his full potential by working for his pay. They also didn't allow him to fire underachievers for drinking on the job, calling in sick all the time, etc.... Got to love that equality.... Not.

MSNBC had a conservative radio host on last night--he supports voting down the Kasich union-busting legislation yet still supports Kasich. He referred to Kasich's bill as resulting in union begging not bargaining and that is wrong in his view. Pretty bad when even a big Kasich fan has spoken out against union busting ala Kasich style.

Well, not hard to tell which way the wind is blowing on that one...Kasich is getting one upside the head big-time...gee, who could have possibly predicted that?

Amy:

Cry us all a river for those teachers. Do you realize that an enlisted soldier retiring after 20+ years will retire on about 20-25000 per year. That is if the rank of E-7 and above is attained. 20 yrs of putting your LIFE on the line and you can literally go from 75000 yr to 25000 yr, and people whine about military personell retiring and immediately going to work.

Military should be the highest paid job in America but politicians will never let that happen. When Congress votes a raise; they give themselves a monetary raise, but military a lowsy 1-3% raise.

ksw62118

unions don't hire workers. Management hires workers. Maybe management shouldn't hire people without checking their work histories?

I've rarely seen anyone fired in my non-union working life. Most workers do a reasonably good job if only in order to get along with their co-workers.

ksw6, I can name a good number of nonunion slackers in companies who never got fired either for the same reasons you listed. Being a slacker isn't unique to union workers; knew a lot of upper management slackers, too.

Ah, precious Amy.

So do those workers that management "gets" to hire have to be in the union? Can it hire non union members - you know like anyone they want, as in a free market capitalist approach?

Yep, if you need the government [minimum wage] or a union to negotiate your wage, you are screwed.

Unless you are actually just a trained monkey, in which case you'll get a bunch more than you deserve or otherwise would have gotten on your own.

You know - the opposite of capitalism.

"Being a slacker isn't unique to union workers; knew a lot of upper management slackers, too.

So true, Jody. Why, I bet there are even some slackers in, say, the legal profession.

You know- collect fees, play on the internet all day......

@ Amy I have routinely seen under performing workers fired in the companies I have worked for. Compensation is based on merit, achieving accountabilities and overall performance. I have on the other hand also witnessed the union workers in those companies, like carpenters, electricians stand around for hours on end doing nothing and continued to get paid and keep their jobs. Actually most of the time they are sitting in front of the building smoking and people watching.

Your naivete is charming but you really don't have much experience in the real world, you should get out more.

My son was not in a union when he went looking for a commercial diving job, but with his credentials they got him in. He is doing very well now living up north after doing jobs down in the gulf making a little over minimum wage. These jobs are extremely dangerous and the people that do them should be paid well. I feel the same for the miners and every other job that people risk their life for. We can not all be white collar people but we can respect each-other. The trouble with white collar workers they get to make all the rules, and they essentially use people as fire wood.

I find it funny the most passionate defenders of the free market cannot tolerate labor exercising it's right to flex it's advantage in the marketplace. If you believe it's wrong to interfere with free market competition by bailing out the automotive industry to keep it from going bankrupt, then how can you feel it's appropriate to interfere with labors' right to bargain with management?

Amy It is not a natural advantage when the union protects and pays the poor performer the same as the person who does their job. In my world that is an unfair "advantage".

Amy B. Portland, ME

I find it funny the most passionate defenders of the free market cannot tolerate labor exercising it's right to flex it's advantage in the marketplace. If you believe it's wrong to interfere with free market competition by bailing out the automotive industry to keep it from going bankrupt, then how can you feel it's appropriate to interfere with labors' right to bargain with management?

Actually... that is a fair question Amy.

And to answer I would say that I am fine with labor's right to bargain with management...

Just remember that if it is TRULY a free market, management has the right to seek a replacement for labor (on the free market of course).

Unfortunately, labor does not have a real good track record of accepting replacements. Labor tends to resort to violence when replacements are brought in - and those violent acts (IMHO) totally negate any "right" labor has to bargain.

You see... labor does it to itself! You think you have a valuable product to sell (labor)... then sell it. But remember the nature of the beast is COMPETITION! Just make sure that you can compete with all the other labor out there. Bring a "better" product or "price" yourself accordingly. Let the market dictate your value - but that is not how unions work.

Think about it!

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(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

It is capitalism Spanky, individual capitalism, sometimes it allows a workingman to be paid just like incompetent, bankers hedge fund managers, and CEO's, that bankrupt companies, and maybe a nation, and still get a big fat bonus. Hell even the lawyer that loses his case gets a fat check, hell you guys got nothing on us union monkeys!

You must know all the hired guns a corporation brings to a negotiation, why should an individual go up against that alone?You think I could cut a good deal on my own. Do you advise your clients to take responsibility for themselves leave your office and go cut their own deal? No way, you can't, you won't. Unions are the only way most workers will ever have a chance to play in this little game we call Capitalism, the way it is played.

Ha if you keep up with the monkey cracks, I might just come out there and organize your crew for you Spanky!

The bottom line politically, Romney is seen as Mr. Wall St. and as luck would have it that is not the wildly popular image you might need at the moment, and now he just did not help himself with any republican or independant who has been layed off from, or is employed by a government. I don't know if they are all republicans but there are over ten thousand people in Texas so far this year that probably will not vote for him, no matter what, they just like to eat, they like that more than they like Mitt.

SickOfTheBickering

Oh those violent kindergarten teachers. They can really throw a punch.

As Adam Smith wrote, capitalism only works when there is charity and ethics--then we love capitalism. When there is no charity or ethics not so much. Organized Labor = The market correcting itself.

In the meantime, Romney is trying to win the far-right extremist vote in the GOP/TP primary. But come the national election, then what? Also, cops are predominately Republican, as well as military Vets who will come home to no jobs thanks to Teapublicans. Seniors tend to vote Republican too, but with all this talk of privatizing Medicare and abolishing Social Security... Will these groups finally vote their own interests or stay the course and vote for Teapublicans? Mind-bending.

The truth is it is capitalism, you think that paying people well with benefits, makes them less productive?

I tell you my employers pay a little more than $50.00 an hour wage and fringe package, you really think they tolerate a bunch of slackers, they don't, they don't mind paying well but they sure as hell expect you to earn it, and they have every right to. Bottom line is if you pay the best, you expect and deserve to get the best, they are not forced to keep a true slacker, they still decide who gets fired if it is warranted, and they can also pay above scale if they think it is warranted. That wage and fringe has been negotiated by a team of people who purpose is to look out for your best interests just as the businessman has pros looking out for his, if that contract was not in place and you hired on and tried to cut your own deal, I seriously doubt you would match it whether you desrved it or not.

Feisty, tell Bev from Rural KY, we're sorry for her loss!

Will do Rick!

Don't you just love the 110% line? That's a lie right there. No one can give more than a 100% of anything.

Leona- we haven't seen Smiff yet, but it's ok- I'm sure she is fine, and will be back. You don't need to fill in for her in her absence.

sorry DBO but Leonna is spot on! The President has had numerous chances to "take a stand" for the middle class:

1. Wall street reform...Weak on "Cram Down" legislation that would have brought the banks to the table and limited foreclosures.

2. The debt ceiling debate...He could have used the option Bill Clinton suggested.

and so on.....

Clearly this President is just as beholden to special interests as he republican counterparts...I will hold my nose when I vote for him in 2012.

3rd Party in 2016!

The Democratic Party today is not the party of Roosevelt and Truman..You have only to look at the Presidents Cabinet appointments.

HEY drive by,

What's the matter? You don't like facts?? I didn't make up the facts. I just mention them. LOL

Open your mind a little. First , put down the kool aid.

Facts are facts after all Drive By.

Obama chose to surround himself with Wall Street insiders. Gietner, Summers, Daley.

Obama takes millions every year in contribuitions from wall street.

You are aware of these facts,are you not Drive By?

So Drive By - how does that make you feel? Seem like Obama is anti-street, given his choices?

Open your eyes - your hero is your enemy.

Spanky-

I don't expect Obama to bother you rather your below par candidates should.

Spanky -- Name me some experts in the world of business that are not tied to Wall Street in some form or fashion. Spinning gets you dizzy. Every President looks to business leaders for advice in the business world. Get real!

Pen - The steady and unrelenting decline shows Obama bothers a lot of people.

Don't - Obama is supposed to be different right? Not business as usual. Yet he chose to surround himself with Walls Streeters.

His cabnet, not outside advisers. The guy reeks of Wall Street.

Yet you libbies pretend, or consciously ignore that fact.

Obama is the 1%.

So Don't OWS hates wall street. Obama is all about wall street. So OWS hates obama, right?

Take those blinders off Don't.

No Spanky that's the point he is no different, he doesn't walk on water. Again all Presidents look to business leaders for advice. GET IT?

After spending months listening to me you damn well know I am not a liberal. Not that I have a problem with them. Just as I have no problem with conservatives that intelligently make their point. In the real world my friends come from both sides of the aisle. You can't comprehend that I know it's above your pay grade. To each his own, that's freedom. You want to control the message. Tough $%&t. You lose and you certainly will not define who I am that is not yours to define. GET IT?

Spanky: uh, no OWS does not hate the President because the President is not the one calling them "mobs" and channelling Dick Nixon telling the "longhairs" to just shut up (see, the President knows this is called a democracy and he gets to talk to Wall Street ...). Ohhh this democracy thing is just so annoying when your guy isn't calling the shots, isn't it?

AP:

You just made a total ass out of yourself. Everything Spanky wrote flew right over your head. In an attempt to belittle him, you played yourself. Go back to sleep.

And there it is.

Don't has seen the light. Obama is not different. He is not the most transparent pres ever. He did not change politics or go all post politics.

He's just another politicking whore that has surrounded himself with Wall Streeters.

Funny Don't. Now go back and listen to all the promises and crap he tried to sell himself as, and compare it to the reality.

I love the message Don't. So

Remeber the whole - no lobbiests in my administration lie? Yeah, that was a whopper, right?

So this is the Change, eh, Don't?

"So Drive By - how does that make you feel?"

Why, I HAVE to fully approve. I mean, he's 'paling' around with 'people' here, right? The Supremes said so. People are good. Mo Money is Betta Money. Right? What's not to like?

Again you don't speak for me and don't twist my words to fit your narrative.

Dont_carry_it_all

Again you don't speak for me and don't twist my words to fit your narrative.

Oh DCIA...

Don't be so sensitive! You have been visiting this site long enough to know that twisting the words of of others to fit your narrative is EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE HERE DOES!

That is why this site is such a crock of cr@p!

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BTW... it kinda sux when he's right. Doesn't it?

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(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

SOB -- Not hardly and nothing he says is right. : )

A suggestion to FR friends -- Don't feed the troll. Report the posts as "No Value," especially if it is off-topic. And "Inflammatory" if it is insulting to another poster. Thanks!

[Spanky -- Name me some experts in the world of business that are not tied to Wall Street...]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Spanky Jr. is in "radio silence"...

Ha, now that's a tune and a mental picture of Willard that won't go away anytime soon.

Paul----I am picturing Willard in overalls and a straw hat, holding up a finger to the wind! Great post.

Reagan democrats are another myth--they lasted one term. Then there are the former republicans, myself included, who became democrats by Reagan's second term.

Christie was elected because Corzine was awful; had nothing to do with Reagan.

What are you Jody, a sample of one?

I guess that 49 state victory happened because Mondale was awful?

The work of Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is a classic study of Reagan Democrats. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for John F. Kennedy in 1960, but 66 percent for Reagan in 1980. He concluded that "Reagan Democrats" no longer saw Democrats as champions of their working class aspirations, but instead saw them as working primarily for the benefit of others: the very poor, feminists, the unemployed, African Americans, Latinos, and other groups. In addition, Reagan Democrats enjoyed gains during the period of economic prosperity that coincided with the Reagan administration following the "malaise" of the Carter administration. They also supported Reagan's strong stance on national security and opposed the 1980s Democratic Party on such issues as pornography, crime, and high taxes.^[1]

Greenberg periodically revisited the voters of Macomb County as a barometer of public opinion until he conducted a 2008 exit poll that found "nearly 60 percent" of Macomb County voters were "'comfortable' with Mr. Obama," drawing the conclusion that Macomb County had "become normal and uninteresting" and "illustrates America's evolving relationship with race." As such, Greenberg stated in an op-ed for the New York Times "I’m finished with the Reagan Democrats of Macomb County in suburban Detroit after making a career of spotlighting their middle-class anger and frustrations about race and Democratic politicians."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat

We are the 53% (or 52% if you want to exclude the super rich)

Bob - You are just on the wrong end of this argument. 57% of Ohio voters hate the law.... You are probably on the losing argument of most of your rants. Get a clue, you are the minority....

Jody---maybe he figures when he adds up all the times he is for something that it totals 110%. Kind of like a cumulative effect of support.

M.Fisher, The OWS "protesters" should protest at the WHITE HOUSE! After all, the greedy politicians ( especially Obama) are in the pocket of Wall Street.

Actually Leonna..They need to occupy K Street and the offices of their Congressional lackeys in Washington and in every state of the union.

Long live the people's revolution!

Like I said.....the greedy politicians ( especially Obama) are in the pocket of Wall Street.

Shhh, don't tell Don't Carry, jody and Amy.

To the libbies Obama is anti-wall street. he for the little guy, don't you know.

And who is some of the biggest lobbies out there? Who spend super fat stacks of cash on politicians?

Why the AFSCME, SEIU, Teachers unions.

So yes, let's get those darned lobbyists.

Again do not speak for me Spanky. You do not have the right. I speak for myself and you can't handle that.

shhh...don't tell Spanky....the President can raise as much money as he likes from Wall Street because Wall Street knows dang well who is winning re-election! Then he gets to safeguard social security and medicare and end the Iraq war and all of those other things that just drive the Republicans so gosh darned crazy!

What are you talking about Don't?

AP - love the cheerleading. Keep it up, he really needs you these days.

DCIA: You will find it better to put Spanky on ignore. He does not contribute to the discussion, and derails the conversation to himself so that he might feel important. There really is no sense in paying attention to his blather. You lose the tedium if you ignore him. Just a friendly suggestion, hope you don't mind.

newday: "You will find it better to put Spanky on ignore"

Oh my, lol.......Are you trying to silence the voices of dissent toward liberals?

I thought liberals like dissent and freedom of speech ! lol

Not at all newday....was just about to tell just where I stand so he doesn't screw it up next time....lol

On second thought why bother he will just screw it up. : )

MkeMike---maybe you have hit on the secret to Romney's success----applying your formula, by flip-flopping he achieves 131%!

MkeMike,

That is freakin sweet. I am laughing my ass off!

Excellent!

You forget Hermann Cain flip-flops just as much as Romney, he just does it the next day, i.e. electric fence, Pro life, yet finds those decisons should be left to the family (pro-choice), no clue on foreign policy, seems he'd leave that to the Generals in the field, would negiotiate with terrorists, no wait, I wouldn't do that.. the guy doesn't think out his responses one bit, talk about shooting from the hip...and he thinks he's Presidential material...couldn't win the Senate race in Georgia...for christ sake..

montefan - I agree, this GOP race is fascinating to watch. These three guys are the best the GOP party has to offer. Mitt, the 'flip flopper, Rick, the 'bullie' and Cain the 'puppet'. And the repulicans think Obama wil be one and done, not likely. If I were them I would be concerned about their own reelection bid.

Listentome,

you are but another union shill.

The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”

Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized. theh unions have bought off the democratic party.

The Democrats are now the bought-and-paid for Party of Government, and government workers

Union contracts make it next to impossible to reward excellent teachers or fire failing ones. Union contracts give government employees gold-plated benefits – at the cost of higher taxes and less spending on other priorities

Bob: here's a hint: calling someone who simply disagrees with you a "shill" reallly doesn't win anyone over...ever. The reason this is news is because the unions are about to win a victory and slap Kasich back to kingdom come. Why? Because most folks (unlike you) do not hate and understand the necessity of collective bargaining and they do not view the unions as you do, as some kind of horrible threat (particularly since only about 8% of American workers are now covered by one.) They also know teachers, firefighters and cops are not the enemy Kasich portrayed them as. If his campaign had been about fiscal responsibility, he might have had a chance. You demonize hardworking folks, this is what you get (you might pay attention to that).

What's more, firefighter and policeman usually vote republican....I don't see that happening again in Ohio.

AP and Bob- not that either of you asked me, but:

I've NEVER been union, and have never really liked them. I've worked hard all my life to get where I am, and am comfortable with my lot in life. Never went beyond high school, never had a special 'hand up' form anyone either.

Now, having said that- I have never been MORE pro- union than I have become since the advent of this whole Republican governor 'wave' that has taken the country. See, as much as I dislike unions, I dislike dishonest, ME First, pri*ks even more.

Oh, and something tells me I am far from alone on this.

Bob -- it wasn't only to get more of the profits, but to have safe, working conditions and reasonable security. Without unions, certainly in an age where there are many unemployed or underemployed workers, a company could let someone go just days before they were eligible for pensions, or if they missed a week of work due to a serious illness in the family. Workers weren't given breaks, and were sometimes ordered to carry out unsafe practices. If an individual balked, he or she was fired and another person brought in off the street. I am not sure who or what taught you that "union" and "thug" was one word, but I would be interested to hear of your experience with unions, as it is something that always sets you off.

People may not like unions (I do--my husband's union ensures that he has safe working conditions, fair pay and health insurance and a retirement plan), most everyone likes the benefits that unions have brought to all of our workplaces---40 hour week, health insurance, vacations. People forget that employers often give their employers those benefits to keep a union out of the workplace.

Sorry to burst your bubble there Bob-numbers but I do not now nor have I ever belonged to a union. As a matter of fact, I'm a white collar worker with an MBA. Further, I was a Republican all my life but am now an Independent. Calling me a shill though makes me think that I struck a nerve.

While unions do help protect wages, "getting workers more of the profits" was not what caused the union movement. It was safety, working conditions, job protection & security and the removal of unfair labor practices that caused workers to take a stand. These are the very things those evil union members are still fighting for in Ohio. (By the way I don't consider my benefits are gold plated and mine are better than most union members)

So after spending substantial time and money to earn their degrees or professional training, yes I feel those workers should have the right to defend their positions. In the case of teachers, they have to continue earning graduate level hours out of their own pocket to maintain licensure to stay in the classroom. So yes, they should have protection from arbitrarily being RIF'ed because of salary.

Not sure what country you live in Bob, but giving people a voice in how they are treated is the epitome of democracy.

cpm,

funny, you must have been taught grammar by an incompetent , but impossible to fire, unionized teacher.

But maybe you dont need any literary skills, if you are a union thug.

Bob: and where must you have learned your manners and decency? Or are you, more likely, self-taught?

Bob - The teacher we need to fire is the one that taught you....you didn't learn anything in your 8 years of schooling....maybe you should have tried to finish.

Bob....

How depressing is it to think that Mitt Romney is going to be your candidate? How depressing is it to know deep down that Obama will easily glide into another term as President if he's running against Mitt?

The real trouble would begin, at the prompt to "press 1 for yes, Press 2 for no"....

Okay, both of you just gave me chills!!!!!!