2012: Cain continues to lead

A CBS/New York Times poll released last night showed Cain up 25%-21% over Romney, with Perry fading all the way to fifth with just 6%. That’s down from 12% at the beginning of the month and 23% in September. Newt Gingrich is up to double digits at 10%. Ron Paul’s behind him at 8%.

But where was Cain yesterday? Signing books and giving a speech in Le Marque, Texas. He remains in Texas for an event in Corpus Christie. Texas’ primary, by the way, isn’t until March 6th.

The Washington Post: “At a moment when the fragility of the economy ranks at the top of American concerns, sharp differences have begun to emerge in how the leading GOP presidential contenders would solve the problem — illuminating not only a diversity in approach, but a striking contrast in the candidates’ governing philosophies.”

GINGRICH: The Boston Globe reports the Gingrich campaign hired his first New Hampshire staff and plans to open five offices in the Granite State, hoping to bring the candidate “back from the brink.” This comes as Gingrich announced his campaign fundraising totals this month surpassed the amount he raised in the entire third quarter, per NBC’s Jo Ling Kent and Alex Moe.

HUNTSMAN: He said last night at George Washington University in DC, per NBC’s Matt Loffman: "My good friend Rick Perry talked about a flat tax today.  I'm okay with a flat tax, but you know what? For Rick, it's an option because he still keeps the old system.  So if you're gaming the tax system based upon loopholes and deductions, you're going to keep gaming the system.  And all I'm saying, the tax system of yesterday, it's done.  It's gone.  We're phasing everything out."

PERRY: In a new web video released today, Perry says he will create at least 2.5 million new jobs.

Per GOP 12, on O’Reilly last night on FOX, Perry didn't just say that he's made mistakes in the debates, he actually said that the debates themselves were mistakes.

ROMNEY: NBC’s Garrett Haake reports Rep. Mark Amodei of Nevada will endorse Mitt Romney, giving the former Massachusetts governor both of Nevada’s GOP congressmen, and their lieutenant governor.

SANTORUM: “As Herman Cain’s star appears to be declining, there is already media speculation on who will be the next ‘it flavor’ of the 2012 race,” GOP 12’s Christian Heinze writes.

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Lol, the professional campaign guys just can't figure out what Cain is doing.

Other candidates make their pilgrimages to Iowa, Cain goes to Tennessee. Other candidates slime their way back to Washington and New York City for fundraising; Cain goes to Texas. Pretty funny to watch.

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Reply#1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:19 AM EDT

Well the rest are actually trying to run a campaign, not a book tour. Amusing, yes.

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#1.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

I don't know whether Cain is lucky or brilliant, but he seems to have tapped into a few threads.

To us political spectators, the primary schedule battles are important. To most people, they aren't. They just watch what looks like childishness with having to be the first in line by some states, and trying to cut in front by others. And why are those states trying to cut in front? Because the people who care about this stuff there want their shot at being significant in the nominating process.

Cain draws support from both groups - by saying he isn't going to play by tradition, and just run a 50-state strategy from the start. Sounds disorganized and arguably naive. How can a guy who can't even get organization in place in a few states try to run a national campaign off the bat? Well, he is and it seems to be working for him.

By the way, every place his book tour takes him, he encounters party members who probably have never seen a presidential candidate. How cool is that for them? He could go slug it out in the Des Moines and Manchester diners, where people have seen every presidential candidate, whether they want to or not.

If this is contributing to his national numbers - I have to believe it is - with every uptick there, party members in Iowa and New Hampshire are reading there's another candidate on the rise. He's probably helping himself more in Iowa and New Hampshire by not being there, and instead focusing on the national numbers. And Cain becomes the candidate they most want to see, because he's the hardest to get in those states. It's a weird election cycle.

    #1.2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
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    I wonder if SNL can get the Pointer Sisters to do a 'Becki-stan-stan' song, to the tune of 'yes, we can-can'?

    I'd make a great background loop for any DNC ads that might run.....

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    Reply#2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:26 AM EDT

    Oh, thank goodness the article isn't blemished by mentioning Ron Paul.

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    Reply#3 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT

    Ron Paul is our only hope. The media blackout needs to end.

    Ron Paul 2012. The revolution is growing!

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    #3.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT

    Except that poor Perry is now polling BELOW the hapless Ron Paul..ouch...that's gotta hurt!!

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    #3.2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

    I wouldn't dare say that Ron Paul is hapless. He has won about 10 straw polls. For all you sheep out there I would very seriously doubt the poll numbers the MSM puts out.

      #3.3 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

      Herman Cain...The new Sarah Palin...Talking dumb rhetoric 24/7 and signing books. I am sure the only lunatic of the Tea Party that is not happy about it is Sarah Palin herself....Herman Cain is also taking her revenue, since he is collecting money from dumb fans all over the place.

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      #3.4 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT
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      Of course Cain is going to lead the pack. Who can resist a 999 pizza marketing strategy to sell a flawed tax plan? Perry's 20% opt out sounds more like e-mail spam instructions. Huntsman, Bachmann and Santorum are in it for the publicity and not the job. Paul and Romney, for all of their flaws, are sticking to the issues - cut spending and the deficit. All of them plus the current president arguing back and forth have taken our eyes off the real problem - Congress. The first guy who says term limits for Congress and one appropriation per bill without those add-ons, gets my vote.

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      Reply#4 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:56 AM EDT

      Lets restore the Bush tax cuts which have resulted in a slowing economy since their institution in 2001.

      Lets cut the defense budget to a reasonable level. Lets invest uin education. The budget deficit will go away once tax revenues are back to normal. They are low because of the Bush tax cuts, catering to the wealthy and corporations. In fact, as a percentage of the GDP, taxes are as low as they were in the 1950s.

      Will

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      #4.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:19 AM EDT

      We need to cut spending not raise taxes.

      A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves. Stop blindly following the MSM.

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      #4.2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:25 PM EDT

      so if we follow you off the cliff, we're not a nation of sheep??

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      #4.3 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT

      No, if we fall off the cliff we are a nation of lemmings. Don't confuse your animals.

      America is sick and Dr. Paul has the right prescription. The government needs to amputate one of its arms in order to save the rest of the body.

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      #4.4 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
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      I'm pleased Perry is dropping off the charts. It indicates that maybe Americans aren't quite as gullible as theTexas GOP seems to think. Arrogant and deceitful is a trademark of the wealthy in Texas. Since they've had a role in insuring Texas is ranked 50th of 50 states in public education, their strategy of "keep 'em dumb and lie to them" doesn't seem to be working nationally. Thats encouraging to me. That said, I wouldn't vote for a republican for president or any other office down to dog catcher. We have a tax revenue problem from the Bush tax cuts driving the deficit, slowing the economy and hurting us socially and educationally. The Tea Party is just making things worse. Plus their association with the religious right crazies puts them way over to the right idealogically.

      No to the GOP in any office in 2012, especially in Texas. Will Dallas

      Will Dallas

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      Reply#5 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT
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      He is going down..once the American people learn he is backed by Koch brothers-he is backed by oil lobbyist-he was a 'made up' canidate from the Koch brother's. He has worked for their right wing nutsie companies, promoting all their bull crap for years! Now they are going to put this wolf in a sheep skin and pass him off as the next President??? hahahahahahaha GOOD LUCK!

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      Reply#6 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT

      "Look in the sky!" "It's a bird!" "It's a plane!" it’s Candy Cain! While the mighty Riff Raff (Mitt Romney) plots to take him down, and Sweet Polly Purebred (Michele Bachman) looks in horror! Will the evil Riff Raff prevail? Will Sweet Polly Purebred in a whining tone shout, "Oh where, oh where has my Candy Cain gone? Stay tune little one for the next episode!!

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      Reply#7 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT

      Good Job Herman Cain!!

        Reply#8 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT

        I don't see Rick Perry OR Mitt Romney getting the nomination. I think Herman Cain's got more going for him than those 2 put together. That said, I'm not entirely thrilled w/Cain, either. I think Gingrich, a very intelligent man, has some of the best ideas anybody's had so far, & I do like his resume/c.v. Bachmann? Not a snowball's chance in Hell she'll get the nod.....

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        Reply#9 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT

        It'll be Mitt, the last man standing on the Republican side. Herman doesn't even have a real campaign staff (had to use his own guy in his new tv spot...now how lame is that...even without the cigarette).

          #9.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT
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          OK folks Slick Rick thought he had the nomination all locked up.....too funny that now he'll leave the stage (hopefully) with his hat in his hand!

          Off you go Slick Rick!

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          Reply#10 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT

          Cowboy hat in hand.

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          #10.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT

          That hat is used to hide the hole in his head!.....

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          #10.2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT

          And what's funny, he'll probably end up winning the nominee. You know they don't "really" want Cain.

            #10.3 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:53 AM EDT

            It's very scary on the TeaPeoples' side.

            All the polls are against Slick Rick but the pundits keep pushing the point that he has 15 million dollars to spend.....

            So we draw from that exactly what?...Slick Rick has lots of money.....but nobody likes him. I thought money 'can't buy love'!..........Oh well!

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            #10.4 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
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            Herman Cain won the Florida Straw Poll back on September 24 - almost five weeks ago - by a whopping 37% to Perry's 15% and Romney's 14%. His "Cain Train" has been chugging along picking up steam ever since. In this GOP election cycle five weeks should be measured the way we do "dog years!" It is an eternity! Cain has that elusive "it" factor that is pure gold. People like his sunny optimism and his straight-forward style.

            Now this latest CBS/NEW YORK TIMES poll has Cain with a comfortable lead - 25% - Romney frozen at 21% - and Perry almost an afterthought at a pitiful 6%.

            But so many in the political punditry world continue to insist that it is a two-man race between Mitt and Rick. Many don't even mention Cain. If they do mention Herman they roll their eyes or snicker.

            I am a white Democratic suburban wife and mother political junkie! I am wondering if any of this dismissive coverage by some is because Cain is African-American? You wouldn't think so with President Obama breaking that barrier - but I just wonder. If he were a white former mathematician with a Master's Degree from Purdue, a past member of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank, a very successful CEO - and someone who with his 999 plan had totally shaped the GOP debate - with Perry and others coming out with their own copy-cat versions, etc. - would he be ignored by so many in the media even though he has been rising in popularity and holding in popularity for nearly five weeks? Just a thought. I think it is utterly reprehensible if that is the case. Btw, as far as Cain taking this contest seriously, he has hired the man in Iowa who helped Bob Dole win their caucus in 1996. Yesterday his campaign made major hires in Florida. Romney is meeting today with lobbyists in Washington - does that mean he is not taking the campaign seriously because he is not in a primary state?

            How on earth can Rick Perry be taken seriously? He is at 6% or lower in most polls - and has been dropping like a rock for weeks as people saw him up close and in person via the debates. Speaking of rocks, Perry's "rock issue" alone would have disqualified 99% of other candidates. On top of that add in his pathetic debate performances - his "being called by God to run " statement - his creationism in lieu of evolution stance - his "birther views" - and frankly his dim bulb, deer-in-the-headlights persona. Yes he raised 15 million $$ - but most of that was in his first few weeks and from Texas cronies. He is a joke!

            And then there is 25% Mitt! As George Will said last Sunday Mitt has been flatlined at 25% for seven years - and is the GOP's Michael Dukakis. 75% of the GOP voters just don't like him - for Pete's sake!

            I support President Obama. But it is really fascinating to watch this GOP saga.

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            Reply#11 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT

            @ MonetFanHerman : Herman Cain is ignored by the media? LOL! That's hilarious. The media made him and the only the media will take him down. And it is not about him being black for me, it is about his being, as you pointed out, a former member of the "Shadow Bank of America" aka the Federal Reserve. He is part of their dirty little secrets that Americans aren't allowed to know about. I think Mr. Cain is an excellent speaker with charisma. Mr. Cain's is 999 TAX plan isn't going to solve what is wrong with our country.

            I completely agree with you on Rick Perry.

            What our country needs is a doctor. Luckily there is Dr. Ron Paul. I believe his plan to cut a trillion dollars and balance the budget is what we need before it is too late.

            Ron Paul 2012

              #11.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT
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              Cain is up 25% to Romney's 21% in polling, but the GOP establishment says :

              "As Herman Cain's star appears to be declining, there is already media speculation on who will be the next 'it flavor' of the 2012 race,"

              I guess if the establishment decrees Romney is the nominee, it doesn't matter what the rank and file voters think (what's new, see Bush v Gore.)

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              Reply#12 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT

              Amy, uh, they're not voters yet...that's why they're called "polls"...and that's why they change so quickly.

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              #12.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT
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              Say what you want,....NOW lets be honest ...the racist GOP see him as a token ....who they wont vote for !You already see how they excepted Obama ...they have ruined his Presidency ...had he been a white man we wouldn't be still in this financial crisis ! They have blocked any progress that would make Obama look good / succeed ! At a huge financial cost to the people of the USA !

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              Reply#13 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT

              They are pushing him to the top so we can have a black against black presidential race. The GOP is hoping to pull some of the black vote from Obama. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!. Teabaggers do not want a black man to be the nominee period. He'll fade before the 2012 election. Teabaggers can't have it both ways, they truly don't know what they want or what they stand for other then "not having a black man and his family in the white house". It's so obvious.

              Obama's got my vote again in 2012

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              Reply#14 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT

              Ron Paul's policies would have the most benefits to minorities. Do some research.

                #14.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT

                Only if you're a rich minority and only if you're not a woman (or don't care about national defense). He ain't going anywhere this go around either (do some research).

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                #14.2 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT

                I would have to say releasing people in jail on minor drug possession charges (mostly minorities) would be a good thing don't you agree? I mean if you really want to keep people locked up on the taxpayer dime that are not a threat to anybody please let me know.

                Ron Paul cares deeply about our national DEFENSE. Its the use of our OFFENSE that he objects to. I'm not sure what you mean by "only if your not a woman". Please explain...

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                #14.3 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
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                Republicans/Teabaggers did the same thing in Illinois by getting Alan Keyes to run against President Obama, and guest how that turned out!!

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                Reply#15 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT

                Cain is employing a private sector marketing strategy and it is working. His 9-9-9 plan is simple to remember, like a jingle. His "smoking" ad creates a mild controversy- just enough to attract attention but not enough to be damaging. Now he is starting ads on the Rush Limbaugh show. The focus of the ads is Obama, but the intent is clear- gain an edge on his Republican competition. Obviously,Cain knows how to get bang for his buck.

                He does have that "it" going for him- charisma, the ability to influence people. My question about him is whether or not he is a one trick pony. Where does he go after 9-9-9?

                  Reply#16 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:03 PM EDT

                  Cain has 26% of the Republican vote. Bachmann has faded. Perry is fading. Romney has a problem getting ou of the twenties. The others can`t get beyond their usual handful. Good thing the election is quite a way off yet.

                    Reply#17 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT

                    Cain sporting that dark green Pimp hat

                    Tea Party Pimp Daddy

                      Reply#18 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:19 PM EDT

                      America be careful. We already took a chance on one. He may be speaking our language today but, let this pizza cook become president and we will see his true colors. I believe America should stand with a guy who has a proven record. Governor Perry is the only true christian conservative in the race. Yes he stumbles and has no ideas that make sense. The fact is we can rely on him to stand up for real Americans and our values.

                        Reply#19 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT

                        Perry needs A LOT of help!!!

                        His poll numbers took a nose dive faster than Bush can mount his Pet Goat!

                          #19.1 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
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                          Great news --- for Democrats.

                            Reply#20 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT

                            Ron Paul is the only candidate in the DemoRep party that is thinking the right way about the immediate problems threatening our nation. If we don't reduce spending dramatically, the destruction of our currency will ensure that we don't have a government left to argue over. Is this really so difficult for everyone to understand?

                            Once we save the country then we can go back to arguing pointlessly over racial burdens, supremacy of religion vs atheism or how many illegal immigrants are cutting Mitt's lawn at any given moment. Btw, you might as well throw polling data in there as well. Anything to waste our time right?

                            It would be amazing to me if any nation on this earth still had respect for us considering what I am seeing.

                              Reply#21 - Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:37 PM EDT

                              Why don't you cover Ron Paul more? It is the will of the people to see more of him in your news coverage. You are losing readers every day by not publishing what the people want to read. I thought the point was to gain readership. Developing content that people are searching out is key to winning more readers. Why don't you get this simple concept MSNBC? What a let down you have become.

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