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Subscribe to RSSWhile it is no surprise Steve Forbes endorsed today pro-flat-tax presidential candidate Rick Perry -- whom he helped craft the plan -- it should be noted that Herman Cain was actually a national co-chairman of Forbes’ 1999-2000 presidential campaign.
When Cain’s role was announced in June 1999, he told the Omaha World-Herald it wasn’t an “honorary” position, and that he would be taking an active role in the campaign, including "message refinement, campaign strategy and fund–raising.”
Cain gave speeches for the campaign, and in September of that year Cain told the Christian Science Monitor he was advising Forbes on how to become a more effective communicator.
But even more interesting, check out what Cain told the Christian Science Monitor's Linda Feldmann back then about the public's trend toward embracing style and delivery vs. substance:
From Christian Science Monitor - September 13, 1999:
Cain says he's helped Forbes to loosen up a bit, and also to tailor his speeches better to his audience. Forbes, he says, has learned he doesn't have to pack his entire agenda into every speech.
Still, Cain understands the growing importance of looking good - and he blames the public for this trend, not the candidates.
"Many people are communications lazy," he says. "They really don't want to spend a lot of time listening to the content or the depth as much as they want to look at the style and the delivery."
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Hi I'm Feisty Skankhead and I got to post first. Perry is Crazy and Cain is a loon.
And Obama walks on water!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
SickOfTheBickering
"And Obama walks on water!"
Yes- you mean you haven't heard? The fool can't swim. Shucks, evabuddy knows that.
Wait, JFK....How did you do it? !!!??? You got to post first, before the Feisty????? Either she's slipping or perhaps MSNBC is getting tired of her ALWAYS being the first to post on any article where there is a chance of her 'lavish Obama love' while berating anything not of Obama. Please, come on....how did you do it? What's the secret? Curious minds want to know.
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that was great JFK.......
I hit refresh over and over for two straight hours...it was exhausting let me tell you. But in the end well worth it. One this is for sure, Feisty aint got no job since I had to do it on my day off. Which is why she always welcomes a handout. Now can someone please un-collapse/expand my post.
Awww poor baby!
I have a job... thank you very much!
May I suggest you GET A LIFE?
How pathetic of you to spend your day off trying to be 'first' on First Read... LMAO!
"One, this is for sure Feisty ain't got no job...."
What kind of grammar is that? Holy cow, Feisty, you generally have a better class of troll.
I'm more worried about someone who would waste over 2 hours on their day off trying to be 'first' on First Read! lol
Sounds like the cheese slid off his cracker... ;o)
So, Feisty, you hit refresh for hours and that is how you post first?
WHAT???
How will poor Willard ever get over this 'slight'? lol
Oh well... Mittens still has Sununu's endorsement to take him all the way to the White House!
Aw, heck, fiesty, you took my Mittens comment away. Can I try will Mittens have Kittens if he doesn't get to be prez?
While it is no surprise Steve Forbes endorsed today pro-flat-tax presidential candidate Rick Perry -- whom he helped craft the plan -- it should be noted that Herman Cain was actually a national co-chairman of Forbes’ 1999-2000 presidential campaign.
Never mind that these people are willingly stabbing each other in the back...They are ready to stab "we the people" even harder if they get elected...
Why can't the people that call themselves "conservatives" look beyond their noses to see that these candidates are just in for the rich and powerful?...They will support them even if the truth would bite them in the a****s
And JFK2112 and Forbes are idiots.
What does it say that Steve Forbes thinks Mr. Businessman Romney is a Mittwit and Slick Rick Perry, who's never actually held a business job in his life, gets Forbes' endorsement?
I don't know what that says, but I do know that this makes it's time for all the conservative candidates left behind to begin attacking Forbes, just like conservatives attacked Warren Buffett.
In 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Feisty speaks with great conviction .. and has a huge following ...your just bitter because you have no audience and your only comment's are those of a vet with out a cause !
Is THAT what you call that BIG thing she DRAGS behind her? Her "FOLLOWING"?
LOL!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Welcome on board, Steve Forbes. Perry needs help in this ongoing "cage fight circus" the right nuts are engaged in. Help sharpen his claws, teeth and his out of touch rich favored flat tax rate. Also, remember to take away his sleeping pills.
The origins of the "housing debacle" was created by DEMOCRATS:
"When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"
"(Barney) Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the (Bush) White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing."
"Now that the bubble has burst and the 'systemic risk' is apparent to all, (Barney) Frank blithely declares: 'The private sector's fault.' "
Obama says "We can't wait."
The American people say "We can't Wait " for a NEW PRESIDENT.
LEONA-2986819
"The origins of the "housing debacle" was created by DEMOCRATS:"
Yes- it's so obvious, the attraction Forbes has shown for the Romney candidacy. We see what you mean, here, Leona.
Oh, and as long as you brought it up- Barney Frank did not repackage sub-prime loans and peddle them as 'derriviatives' or 'credit-default swaps', and try to making a killing in the market with them, did he?
Be honest now- Did Barney do this? Did Nannie or Freddie do this?
Hello? Dishonest much there, Leona?
According to you, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac forced the banks to lend the money hand over fist while the Republicans controlled the White House, House, Senate, and the Supreme Court.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that banks were saying their assets were AAA, when in fact they were junk.
Also, you ignore the fact Republicans controlled Washington and changed the laws to allow the banks to decide who their own regulator was. Sad that you ignore that simple fact.
Leona -- A good book on what happened and who is to blame is the The Big Short by Michael Lewis. Many are to blame but nice try to persuade low info voters.
Additionally the recent Volcker speech had some great ideas on how to fix the problems. Here is link.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/business/23gret.pdf
drive-by-observer & Dan-3126637
Great response, guys. Your questions to this nut are spot on.
LEONA-2986819 - Common make-up as you go TP, answer those question from this Liberals. They represent the 99%.
PEN-24, did I mention that Obama says we are to be "civil" and you shouldn't name call? haha
Start at the beginning with the politics of it. The origins of the "housing" problem was a Democrat policy. This policy of giving "affordable" loans to people who couldn't afford them was a Democrat Policy. Everyone knows it. Then it became apparent that this was a financial debacle so......Bush tried to correct it and..........
"(Barney) Frank complained that the (Bush) administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing."
Another example of Democrats "talking points" ( lies) to try to twist the perception out there.
" They represent the 99%."
Aww, man. Now I have to score some Heroin, poop on a cop car, and smell some chick's feet?
Damn.....
It is because Republicans have boxed themselves into a rejection of both their own traditions and the idea that government can do any good that they are confined to endless fiddling with the tax code. Almost everything conservatives suggest these days is built around the single idea that if only government took less money away from the wealthy, all our problems would magically disappear.
Ray, it is a version of trickle down economics. Problem is, that trickle is you getting pee'd on.
Can someone get Leona a book or a TV without the fox channel. I have never seen anything like this person in my life. So many facts turned inside out, Leona you have to get an education you are embarrassing yourself here. How do you manage to survive daily life like this. This is painful HBO just had a movie "To Big to Fail" The banks created their own problems that spilled on to each of us. Just do some research before you speak again.
Tis the Season,
the problem for you is that you don't like what I'm saying. lol
THE TRUTH SU#$%^ BUT IT'S STILL THE TRUTH.
I don't watch Fox , like you have insinuated, but i do read the facts. (You should try it.)
This policy of giving "affordable" loans to people who couldn't afford them was a Democrat Policy. Everyone knows it. Then it became apparent that this was a financial debacle so......Bush tried to correct it and..........
"(Barney) Frank complained that the (Bush) administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing."
BTW, I have 2 college degrees. What about you? lol
what do college degrees have to do with the truth. book smart, business dum.
Leona, can you say AIG? You know, the largest Insurance Company in the World. Prior to 1999 it was illegal for Insurance Companies to do banking business and for Banks to do Insurance business. The Republican Phil Graham (among others) created the bill to deregulate the Glass-Stegall act. AIG got so heavily involved with sub prime mortgages that when the over inflated housing bubble burst, the economy of the entire World went into a tail spin. Do you not remember the bail out of AIG? I believe that most of their bail out has been repaid because they had to put up collateral. AIG is still the largest Insurance Company in the World but I doubt that they are still dabbling in the Mortgage loan business anymore.
"The origins of the "housing debacle" was created by DEMOCRATS:"
Right LEONA!!!The Democrats just forced these banks to make all the garbage loans, bundle them with a few good securities, make tons of money on them, the dump on the rest of the world. Those Democrats held a gun to their heads didn't they.
Affordable houseing?? I'll take you to a golf course near my home. I can show you at least 35 homes, not a single one of them under $800,000, built between 2002 and 2006, and NONE of the have ever been occupied. That's called speculation -- not affordable housing.
You tell us you don't watch Fox. I'll bet you don't listen to Rush the junkie either. Why are you dittoheads so afraid to admit where you get your information? And when somebody needs to tell the world about their degrees in order to prove they're educated, I question where these degrees are from.
Charlie,
Sorry, you don't agree with me, but I didn't fabricate the facts. I get the facts from some reputable newspapers every day. Since most news is LIBERAL, I don't see that I have to defend the facts to someone like yourself who would rather dispute any opinions you disagree with. ( name calling included.)
The only reason I mention my college degrees is because I am called a "nut" , "uneducated" and told to "go read" because liberal lemmings here do not like what I am saying.
Seems to me when people are losing the argument, they always name call.
Sorry if the truth su#$%, but it's still THE TRUTH.
Forbes has run for president what 2, 3 4 times. Each time he's run on a flat tax and each time he got his ass handed to him. End of debate.
Perhaps you all should do some research into the causes of the 07-08 financial collapse. There's a good book out titled "All the Devils Are Here" and if you go to the Frontline program on PBS there's a great documentary title 'The Warning" and several other similar veined programs that follow the genesis of the financial debacle.
If you do your research you will discover that you and the rest of us have been screwed by BOTH parties. There is equal blame and it is from both sides of the political aisle. There is no difference, let that sink into your heads...
OK! Maybe you are right...However, next year at the polls WE NEED to pick one person that will actually harm us less in the future, respect the environment, the disabled, and the old...Do you really think that your Republican hopefuls deserve your vote?
Let that sink into your head.
Well, is Obama the only candidate the democrats have to offer? If he is the best they can come up with, perhaps you shouldn't be so condescending towards the republicans. Put them in a can, shake them all up and toss them out and voila! Equal nada. Except for Ron Paul. But, the media, the corporate machine and the business as usual clods in DC don't want him getting elected....he can't be bought, unlike the others.
sinking, sinking, sinking........
Key endorsements so far:
How come I just had a vision of Barry Manilow singing a version of "Mandy" to Ron Paul? Scary! Must be getting close to Halloween.
"Following Tuesday night’s GOP debate in Las Vegas, Rep. Michele Bachmann picked up an endorsement from perhaps the Strip’s biggest star – Mr. Las Vegas himself, Wayne Newton".
Wayne Newton got his big break in show business via a Phoenix TV Station KPHO and a prominent local TV personality Lew King who manged his career for many years. In the end Newton screwed his manger King out of a lot of money which says a lot about the character of this plasticized performer and the candidate he endorsed.
Danke shame!
Unfortunately for Mrs. Bachmann, Wayne Newton also endorsed Mitt Romney (and snorting) at the same event....
A WAYNE NEWTON ENDORSEMENT IS WORTH IT'S WEIGHT IN COCAINE...
Let’s apply some common sense and really try to be rationally objective. Personally I am getting real sick of all the polarization and the aggressive manipulative efforts aimed to support biased self-serving positions and attempting to just deceptively con and use the public. I am honestly not real concerned with Republican v Democrat (I am an Independent, who was a long term Republican that Bush-Cheney turned off and since, that the Republican / Tea Party has kept turned off) nor do I see the Conservative v Liberal or the “trickle down” v “free loading” arguments as more than efforts to excite loyalty, just for manipulative gain. Arguing that the wealthy few pay too much of the burden or that the majority have been greatly victimized are really emotional positions, both having justification, that are being used to keep people committed to supporting one position or the other - without enough real focus on the core issues. Regrettably, even religion is being aggressively used to tie people to political bias, with using the individual pride found in feeling identified with God, to keep people from considering the complete picture and instead to just stay focused on limited issues with questionable real solutions. All of that is disgusting but very real and not ever sincerely concerned with what is in the best interests of the people - to think differently is to be conned.
To dwell on the cause of the problem for just a moment, we need only to look at “the money”. Politics and the politicians have become totally dependent on “the money”; the reality is that the best, most qualified candidates don’t have a chance when with an inferior money position. Today it literally takes an abundance of money, and it also helps to have the power and influence (both overt and covert) in order to run and win. Therefore we see the candidates completely focus on getting “the money” (and power) behind them; on actually becoming owned, supported and controlled by ‘the money”. The result is that “the money” has the control as the candidates can only survive with “the money” behind them and they end up putting their political ambitions above all else, at any cost to the people, and to concentrate on being “puppets” for the few who strongly support them and “pull their strings”. Together, candidates, party and supporters then work at achieving their self-serving goals and at conning the people and manipulating public opinion - to effectively just use the people as “pawns’ in their private game of politics. To ever reform politics the first requirement would be to get “the money” out of politics, to render “the money” ineffective, to reject the control it has by refusing to be conned and manipulated, by refusing to be emotionally controlled and instead to rationally and objectively vote our consciences - forcing the politicians to concentrate on the people.
The truth is that the majority, not the few, should have the control and, without surrendering it by accepting the con and being manipulated, the majority does have it in their voting. Therefore the majority’s interests are what should be strived for and achieved - not just tax cuts for the wealthy. Jobs, the economy, cutting the deficit, Social Security, Medicare, education, immigration, energy, trade deficit, ,,, and so on are the core issues. Addressing those issues directly and effectively is the requirement as doing so will contribute towards solving all of the problems. The key is “directly and effectively” as there are many offerings that are neither “directly” nor “effectively” and rather seek to first satisfy others’ interests, “the money” again, while falsely presenting them as real solutions. The first obvious clue to their ineffectiveness is when they are really indirect and yet presented as being able to solve the problems, eventually - my favorite example being the “trickle down” theory where the few get immediate benefit and the majority have to wait for questionable, at best, value.
When the people are able to check their biases, prejudices, fears and emotions to avoid having them used to con and manipulate them, then it isn’t hard to see; a.) who really benefits; b.) what it will cost the people; c.) who is just self-serving; d.) the dishonesty in their presentations; e.) the consistency in their loyalty to the few; and importantly, f.) who is working to have things fail for political advantage and not caring about the hardships resulting to the people. Their stubbornness, arrogance, cockiness and sheer boldness may be an indication of their confidence in “the money” and power behind them, which should then actually be an insult to the people in being taken for granted. We may not be totally astute at determining what the best answers are (which is what some are counting on) but we can evaluate who likely has our best interests at heart and who is just trying to dupe us. Like with the politicians where bipartisanship is really required for quality results, the people must also accept some give and take in addressing the issues for all of the people and to avoid having an “all or nothing” mentality that can be used to control them.
RGiles: "The result is that “the money” has the control as the candidates can only survive with “the money” behind them and they end up putting their political ambitions above all else....."
I hope by this you are speaking of Obama? We all know that Goldman Sachs gave 3/4 of all their donations in '08 to Obama.
"We all know that Goldman Sachs gave 3/4 of all their donations in '08 to Obama."
The big money people tend to support the whores on both sides of the block. If what you say is true ( I question if it is because it's probably from Fox or Rush the junkie or someone in the right wing noise machine) Goldman Sachs probably give more to Obama because they know he was going to win.
Charlie,
Goldman Sachs gave to Obama this year too. What does that say about Obama? He goes around the country demonizing Wall Street.
haha, you have to marvel at the HYPOCRISY.
"Freaky Forbes" and "Scary Perry" are teaming up for the economic flat tax. This is very scary America! The flat tax will flatten the Middle Class, the Working Poor, the disabled, and the elderly. The flat tax will help the rich get richer, and the poor become even poorer. That is fact!
hey Progressive,
I am NOT surprised that you are leaving out one tiny detail. Try telling the whole story! LOL
The real facts are that a flat tax does away with loopholes . Loopholes are the reason the ultra wealthy and corporations get away with LITTLE to NO TAXES.
Ask Obama's friend/jobs czar, Jeff Immelt ( GE) , they paid NO taxes.
Since you like to call Republicans "freaky" and "scary", what should we call Immelt & Obama????
I got some ideas..........."fork tongue" Obama & "deceitful" Immelt
But LEONA --- every single time anyone tries to close any loophole -- the teapublicans in the House call it a tax increase. The "fork tongue" gang you talk abut are the Republican who signed the Gorver Norquist pledge and that's every teapublican in the House and most of them in the Senate.
Charlie,
Most republicans are calling for a flat tax. Get the facts and stop twisting them.
Put down the kool aid.