Obama agenda: 'We can’t wait'

“With his jobs plan stymied in Congress by Republican opposition, President Obama on Monday will begin a series of executive-branch actions to confront housing, education and other economic problems over the coming months, heralded by a new mantra: ‘We can’t wait’ for lawmakers to act,” the New York Times says.

John Harwood writes that things don’t look bullish for tax reform. “Even in good times, tax reform poses steep political challenges. And these aren’t exactly good times,” he says. “That helps explain the angst among advocates of revamping the tax code as they have watched events erode their hopes of near-term success on Capitol Hill. The escalating tax debate among Republican presidential candidates ensures the issue won’t go away, but it also means any resolution will probably wait until after Election Day 2012.”

“Vice President Joe Biden yesterday doubled down on his claim that the president’s jobs bill would stop rapes and murders,” The New York Post writes. Biden told CNN, “That is a fact. If [cities] don’t get help, crime is going to continue to go up.”

But crime has actually gone down since the recession began. Some criminologists are even looking into what they call the “Obama Effect.”

But there’s also another Obama Effect, Politico writes, “In trips to Michigan, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania — all states that he carried in 2008 — members of Congress were notably missing from the president’s side. Though none came out and said they were deliberately avoiding him, they didn’t have to: Dodging a presidential candidate who’s riding low in the polls is a time-honored political practice.”

Discuss this post

I can. I will just pick one, student loans. If he make an executive order to ease or in fact delete some of these loans, then he needs to start writing checks to all of those who have ever had one.

Saw a sign at an OWS this weekend that said "Pay my loan or give me a job"

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Reply#1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:41 AM EDT

I agree, somebody owes me $30,000 with interest if he starts forgiving loans

Obama "We can't Wait"

Unless I have a vacation scheduled, or a fundraiser, or a golf game...........

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT

White Collar Auto

Don't you think he meant we can't wait for the Grover Norquist Zombies on the right to start doing something other than saying NO to everything even their own proposals Obama is for?

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

Very lame PEN-24.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:45 PM EDT

Population growth has gone down during the recession, as is always the case in poor economic times. Crime rates correlate more to unwanted birth than to any other variable. Since the pill was made available in the 1960s and abortion was made legal, there have far less unwanted babies born to poor single mothers who would grow up to commit crime.

With that said, the teacher to student ratio, the response time when you call 911, of course these services will be affected if tax dollars are not devoted to maintaining it.

    #1.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT

    TP,

    Not sure of your point. My tax dollars have allways been used here locally to maintain these services.

    • 2 votes
    #1.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT
    Reply

    Come on Radical Right. Stop playing games with the lives of the American People.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:44 AM EDT

    Hup, another emergency. Can't wait. "Gotta" pass it now, read it later.

    Has anyone heard of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

    • 7 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:58 AM EDT

    OMG? THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF was Georgie Porgie Bush! and by doing so he injured, killed and murdered over a million people, depleted the treasury of the united states, creating the great recession, and a jobless, homeless, and starving nation. just to mention a few!

    • 11 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:22 AM EDT

    Too bad your argument fails because Dems voted for Bush's actions too. At least Bush went to Congress for authorization which is more than Obama does!

    • 8 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT

    Leona.

    Bush did go to congress.

    However. Your whining is just sour grapes.

    It kills you wingers to see this president schooling the GOP on foreign policy.

    Just kills you.

    LOL!!!

    • 6 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:02 AM EDT

    LEONA, you misquoted yourself, it should be Cheney/Bush lied to congress to get authorization. To bad your argument fails because they lied to America.

    • 4 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

    Mo,

    You need to get off the "they lied" bandwagon. We know they all had the same intel, everybody said the same thing. Years of trying to get the UN on board and giving Iraq had plenty of time to get those weapons out of the country.

    • 4 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

    MRSWR... are you saying there were weapons of mass destruction? I hope that is not what you are suggesting.

    • 3 votes
    #4.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

    Akeem,

    All the intel said there was. All the intel. Everybody got the same intel. I believe there were WMD's in Iraq.

    • 1 vote
    #4.6 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT

    Akeem - you are not suggesting that saddam didn't use WMD's in the iraq-iranian war are you? How about his using WMD's on his own kurdish countrymen?

    Then we have saddams continued threats to use them on anyone who may perchance invade Iraq. Let's not forget all those iraqi delays in allowing inspectors to come in and look. The smart money says to plan as if they STILL EXIST.

    Of course we all know that with all saddams saber waving and invasion of kuwait he was such a nice fellow. Heck obama was fomenting at the mouth to get mubareck and kaddafy out of power.

    Times change and combat technologies change. We also don't know what saddams neighbors wnated done with saddam. I do find it interesting that the arab coalition that existed in the gulf war of the early 90's didn't want to see saddam overthrown at that time. Less than 10 years latter it was time for saddam to go.

    • 1 vote
    #4.7 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:38 PM EDT
    Reply

    Thank you, kr. and THAT is why, exactly, we aren't supposed to 'mention Bush' these days.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT

    So within the next couple weeks the country's debt will be 100% of GDP. That's right in line with Greece. President Obama has been quite the fiscal steward of our economy! "we can't wait"........he's got that right!

    We can't wait to get rid of him!

    • 6 votes
    #6 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:47 AM EDT

    Rob.

    The debt in this country is not as much the fault of this president as cable news has led you to believe.

    The policies of this administration are responsible for less then $2T of the debt, and most of that was put toward helping the economy.

    The vast majority of the debt since 2009 is from lost federal revenue and increased manditory outlays due to the recession. Another good chunk is from leftover policies from the last adminstration and the GOP (wars, tax cuts, Medicare D).

    I do realize that the simple minded generally only look at the timeline, and not the policies...especially when looking to justify what they already want to believe.

    But....I will give you a chance to back up what you were apparently fed.

    Please post the policies, and their costs, that add up to more then $2T. Good luck, jr.

    • 7 votes
    #6.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:01 AM EDT

    Please post your 2T ?

    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT

    MRWSR.

    Perhaps you could help the delusional poster.

    I was asking for the policies and the cost of those policies, from this administration, that add up to all the spending the right wing consistently, and ignorantly, accuses this President of doing.

    The policies of this administration have added less then $2T to the debt so far. Yet, many on the right are ignorant to this fact.

    I merely asked the poster to back up what he/she apparently repeated.

    • 2 votes
    #6.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT

    I understand what you were asking, what I am asking you is to show your numbers, please.

    • 1 vote
    #6.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:03 PM EDT

    For what? I am not claiming the administration's policies are more then $2T.

    The ARRA and the Lame Duck Stimulus make up the bulk of it.

    • 1 vote
    #6.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

    The policies of this administration have added less then $2T to the debt so far. Yet, many on the right are ignorant to this fact.

    Please provide facts for this statement.

    • 1 vote
    #6.6 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT

    repooplicants, why not answer the question? Is it that hard?

      #6.7 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT

      MRWSR.

      Ok.

      http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9957/01-07-Outlook.pdf

      http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/Chapter1.shtml#1096708

      http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12039/01-26_FY2011Outlook.pdf

      http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24editorial_graph2.html?ref=sunday

      (The last source shows what the policies from this administration will cost over through 2017. This is the cost of the policies initiated under each adminstration. The higher estimates that I have indicated, attribute the cost of policies extended.)

      I do find it cute, however, that you guys are requesting I do half of your work for you.

      So, now it is your turn.

      Please provide facts to show this administration is responsible for more then around $2T. (Or is it too hard?)

      • 1 vote
      #6.8 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:53 PM EDT

      american.

      The question is not that he administration didn't spend anything. There policies did initiate new spending.

      However, those policies do not add up to more then $2T.

      If you think they do, then post the policies, and their costs....or is that too hard?

      • 1 vote
      #6.9 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT

      Not cute, just wanted to see your basis. Thank you for your post.

      • 1 vote
      #6.10 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT

      You're welcome.

        #6.11 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT

        Repub,

        The Treasury Department has the third largest expense in the federal budget. Only Defense and income redistribution (The Departments of Health and Human Services, HUD, and Agriculture (food stamps)) is higher. As the debt increases, so does the interest payment. Social spending is the largest item in our federal budget

        Total for the Fiscal Year 2011, the Treasury Department spent$454 Billion of your money on interest payments to the holders of the National Debt. Compare that to NASA at $6 Billion, Department of Education at $31 Billion, and Department of Transportation at $26 Billion; for the entire Fiscal Year!
        When you buy something, all the companies involved in producing and delivering it, were charged a wide range of taxes, and those costs are part of the price of everything you buy. The price of everything you buy will go up to cover any business tax increases. You are paying those corporate taxes! Read more about the proposed Energy Tax increases. So don't forget that the price of fuel is in the cost of everything

        The "Economic Stimulus" is shifting us from an "economic crisis" to a debt crisis! Consider this; if businesses could print their own money and give it away to customers so they could buy the products, many folks would be happy for a while; but the businesses would go bankrupt. Well, that's what our government is currently doing, printing and giving away money.

        These are part of his administration, right.

        • 1 vote
        #6.12 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT

        MRWSR.

        Policies started by this administration do not include interest on the debt from policies from other adminstrations.

        The economic stimulus is a fraction of our overall debt. The debt crisis is not the result of the economic stimulus.

        It is amusing, however, how you are attempting to obfuscate the issue.

        But in doing so, you actually make my point. Part of the increase in the debt the right attributes to Obama is from the interest we pay on previous debt...

        Debt, BTW, that was supposed to be non-existent around this time. Unfortunately, the GOP went on a spending spree. Now they (and you apperently) are on a desperate quest to blame it on the this president.

        • 2 votes
        #6.13 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT

        To put it in perspective, consider these facts. When President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, the national debt totaled $10.6 trillion, a figure that was already unacceptably high. But by the end of Obama’s first term, the national debt is projected to be approximately $17 trillion. By the end of his second term, the national debt is projected to soar to approximately $24 trillion. And these are using the administration’s own projections, which many experts believe are overly optimistic

        • 1 vote
        #6.14 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

        MRWSR.

        LOL!!!

        You were unable to post the policies from this administration that make up the debt you attribute to this president. You were unable to do so because the policies from this administration did not contribute nearly as much as your spoon fed delusion told you.

        So....instead of admitting you were mis-informed, you doubled down on your ignorant, simple minded view of the debt and where it came from.

        You simply looked at the dates because the dates told you what you so very desperately want to believe.

        Unfortunately, the policies that make up the debt tell a very different story then the one you were fed.

        Sorry, jr. Try again. LOL!!!

        • 1 vote
        #6.15 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT

        This is why, MRWSR, I asked the previous poster to post the policies from this adminstration that made up the debt he/she was attributing to this administration.

        Can you do so?

        Can you support your delusion?

        (That was rhetorical. I realize you cannot. If you could, you would not have posted the simple minded copy and paste you did.)

          #6.16 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:05 PM EDT

          Will say obama is responsible for 2- 3 trillion of the dept.

          • 1 vote
          #6.17 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:15 PM EDT

          MRWSR.

          Will say obama is responsible for 2- 3 trillion of the dept.

          Not quite.

          However, now is your chance.

          Please post the policies, along with the cost of those policies, that total the $2-3 trillion.

          Good luck.

          • 1 vote
          #6.18 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:29 PM EDT

          www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019931-503544.html

          The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated. The Bureau of Public Debt reported today that the National Debt had hit an all time high of $13.665 trillion.

          The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush's two terms. The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama's fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012. That's more than 100 percent of the value of the nation's economy and $5.9-trillion above what it was his first day on the job.

          Mr. Obama frequently lays blame for soaring federal deficits on his predecessor.

          "By the time I got into office we already had a $1.3 trillion deficit and we had exploded the national debt," he said last month during one of his backyard chats with Americans.

          Just last Friday, the Treasury Department portrayed it as good news when it reported that the federal deficit in the fiscal year that ended September 30th was $1.294 trillion. That's less than the $1.416 trillion deficit accrued in 2009 - the largest federal deficit ever recorded. It was also less than the $1.556 trillion that had been initially projected for 2010.

          • 2 votes
          #6.19 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
          Reply

          "With his jobs plan stymied in Congress by Republican opposition, President Obama on Monday will begin a series of executive-branch actions to confront housing, education and other economic problems over the coming months, heralded by a new mantra: 'We can't wait' for lawmakers to act," the New York Times says.

          A: His buds, aka, demorats, voted it down as well

          B: The NYT is a lying partisan folded roll of toilet paper.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#7 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:06 AM EDT

          I don't understand what these Liberal Politicians are thinking. Can they be wanting for our country to crash , like Greece? What other reason is there for Obama's fiscal IRRESPONSIBILITY to this extent? His only answer to everything has been to throw trillions of tax dollars at the problems we have.

          I know, I know, LOL, "It's Bush's fault."

          Unfortunately, that argument is 3 years old and does NOT "fix" anything!

          • 6 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT

          We've all noticed there's vary little you do understand LEONA.

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          #8.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

          Mo,

          TOO BAD FOR YOU and your comments, MOST PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME.

          The kool aid must be strong today.

          • 4 votes
          #8.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT

          Leona, you have not provided anything of value in your smear against Obama... I am sorry your life has caused you to be this bitter and I do pray that your condition improves.

          • 1 vote
          #8.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

          Hey Akeem,

          don't speak for me since YOU are the one who is on the losing side of the argument (check Obama's poll numbers).

          The only thing I'm "bitter" ( your word) about is the state of our economy and the future of American kids who can't find jobs. I have the facts (not lies) about Obama. Democrats have made up arguments in order for Obama to try to win in 2012.

          Unfortunately, you can't lie your way out of 9.1% unemployment and $15 trillion debt.

          • 3 votes
          #8.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT

          Under "OBAMA'S" tyranic socialist government I graduated college with an accounting degree and got a job working for a great company along with many of my peers. Please don't educate me about the plight of my generation.

          • 3 votes
          #8.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:45 PM EDT

          I always find it amusing when neophyte wingers, unable to support the crap they are fed, go to the kool-aid and poll number argument.

          LOL!!

          • 3 votes
          #8.6 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT

          yep, repoblocants you kool aid drink of choice has shown us all on how you think. Bet you just love to live off of strawman type arguments.

          BTW - got those numbers and links yet?

            #8.7 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT

            Akeem: "Under "OBAMA'S" tyranic socialist government I graduated college with an accounting degree and got a job working for a great company along with many of my peers."

            All this in only 3 years?? LOL RIGHT.

            Truth is you did it under BUSH. LOL

            • 3 votes
            #8.8 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT

            Strawman type arguments...

            Oh, like pointing to poll numbers?

            LOL!!!

            And yes, jr. I do.

            However, I would like to point out, that it is not really my responsibility to prove your delusion wrong. It is your responsibility to show the spending that you and others attribute to this president.

            You cannot, I realize that. Delusions are generally not easy to factually defend.

            • 1 vote
            #8.9 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT

            Leona your argument based on your two responses are ridiculous. I was obviously being sarcastic saying Obama's presidency had much of anything to do with my current employment. I did it with my own determination alligned with the way I was raised.

            However you suggest because I DID get a job I got it under Bush, but had I not gotten one I would be included under one of the "American kids who cannot find jobs" during President Obama's term.

            You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

            • 1 vote
            #8.10 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT

            Akeem: "I was obviously being sarcastic saying Obama's presidency had much of anything to do with my current employment. I did it with my own determination...."

            You got a degree and a job before Obama was President, CONGRATS.

            You brought Obama into your personal story. I didn't.

            So, what's your point???????????

            • 2 votes
            #8.11 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:37 PM EDT
            Reply

            'We can’t wait'

            like it or not he is correct!

            • 1 vote
            #9 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT

            We can't do it by stimulus money agian.

            • 3 votes
            #9.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT

            MRSWSR.

            Why not? Because cable news told you it was bad?

            According to the economic analysis, the stimulus worked. Sure, it didn't bring us completely out of the worse recession since the Great Depression, but it did help.

            And if it helped, why should we not do more? Especially since we know from history (not right wing revisionist history) that government spending can and does help a down economy. Does a doctor toss medicine aside if it is working, but one does didn't completely fix the problem?

            -------------------

            But if you don't believe me on the stimulus, look to the economic analysis:

            John Makin of the conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute:

            The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

            http://www.aei.org/outlook/100928

            Or Mark Zandi, advisor to the McCain campaign:

            The Great Recession has finally come to an end, in large part because of unprecedented policy efforts by the Federal Reserve and fiscal policymakers. The cost to taxpayers has been substantial but would have been even greater if aggressive action was not taken and the financial crisis and recession had been allowed to continue unchecked.

            http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/JEC-Fiscal-Stimulus-102909.pdf

            Or the CBO about the third quarter of 2009:

            On that basis, CBO estimates that in the third quarter of calendar year 2009, an additional 600,000 to 1.6 million people were employed in the United States, and real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) was 1.2 percent to 3.2 percent higher, than would have been the case in the absence of ARRA (see Table 1). Those ranges are intended to reflect the uncertainty of such estimates and to encompass most economists’ views on the effects of fiscal stimulus.

            http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10682/Frontmatter.2.2.shtml

            Or what the CBO said about the forth quarter of 2009:

            In sum, CBO estimates that in the fourth quarter of calendar year 2009, ARRA’s policies:
            -- Raised real GDP by between 1.5 percent and 3.5 percent,
            -- Lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.5 percentage points and 1.1 percentage points,
            -- Increased the number of people employed by between 1.0 million and 2.1 million, and
            -- Increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 1.4 million to 3.0 million compared with what those amounts would have been otherwise (see Table 1).

            The effects of ARRA on output and employment are expected to increase further in calendar year 2010 but then diminish in 2011 and fade away by the end of 2012 (see Table 3).

            http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11044

            On that basis, CBO estimates that in the first quarter of calendar year 2010, ARRA’s policies:
            --Raised the level of real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent,
            --Lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.5 percentage points,
            --Increased the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million, and
            --Increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 1.8 million to 4.1 million compared with what those amounts would have been otherwise (see Table 1). (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)

            http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11525/05-25-ARRA.pdf

            • 2 votes
            #9.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT

            Repub,

            But there is much more to be said of this data and Hoven does an admirable job of summarizing the highlights of such an analysis:

            * Obama's stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War -- more than $100 billion (15%) more.

            * Just the first two years of Obama's stimulus cost more than the entire cost of the Iraq War under President Bush, or six years of that war.

            * Iraq War spending accounted for just 3.2% of all federal spending while it lasted.

            * Iraq War spending was not even one quarter of what we spent on Medicare in the same time frame.

            * Iraq War spending was not even 15% of the total deficit spending in that time frame. The cumulative deficit, 2003-2010, would have been four-point-something trillion dollars with or without the Iraq War.

            * The Iraq War accounts for less than 8% of the federal debt held by the public at the end of 2010 ($9.031 trillion).

            * During Bush's Iraq years, 2003-2008, the federal government spent more on education that it did on the Iraq War. (State and local governments spent about ten times more.)

            Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/little-known-fact-obama039s-failed-stimulus-program-cost-more-iraq-war#ixzz1bj0CY5xv

            White House economists predicted the bill would create (not merely save) 3.3 million jobs. Since then, 2.8 million jobs have been lost, pushing unemployment toward 10 percent. BRIAN RIEDL

            • 3 votes
            #9.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:27 PM EDT

            MRWSR.

            What is your point?

            The Iraq war was still a waste of lives and treasure.

            And the ARRA did help the economy according to the economic analysis, indicating it was not a waste of treasure.

            Perhaps you should spend less time reading partisan attempts to rationalize bad policy?

            • 2 votes
            #9.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT

            Re?,

            Waste of lives and Treasure?

            No wonder you feel the stimulus was succesful.

            If failed, both times, and will if he gets this third one through.

            Before the stimulus passed, Americans were told that $787 billion was the shocking price that had to be paid in order to save the economy from another Great Depression (and high unemployment). The New York Times referred to the initial promise on Oct. 22, 2009 saying, "The Obama administration's forecast at the start of the year, which predicted that unemployment would not climb much above 8 percent."

            • 1 vote
            #9.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT

            Yes. Waste of lives and treasure. How can you say it was not, unless you are desperately holding onto an ideological position?

            The cost certainly was not worth any benifit one may desperately attempt to find in hindsight.

            And, jr. I feel the stimulus did work because the economic analysis shows it did.

            You can repeat "it failed" over and over and over again. But that does not change the fact that you have no analysis to back up your postition.

            All you seem to have is an illogical line of reasoning. The 8 percent projection.

            Illogical because for one, the unemployment rate was above 8% BEFORE the ARRA even passed, but mainly because the actual effects of the ARRA are independent of the projected unemployment rate. (IE. the actual effects would have been the same regardless of whether the projection was 8%, 9%, or 20%.)

            So.....

            I think you need to do a few things.

            1. Turn off the cable news.
            2. Read the analysis on the ARRA.
            3. Take a logic class.
            • 2 votes
            #9.6 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT

            repoplicants - following your own advise will do wonders for you...

            Perhaps you should spend less time reading partisan attempts to rationalize bad policy?

            With 9.1 % unemployent, job growth that isn't keeping up with population growth and a program of payroll tax cuts that has yet to stimulate any meaningful growth in GDP. Why should Americans think that more of the same will be any more effective?

            I can see that from a political point of view obama is looking for that bump up in GDP that the 2009 stimulas created and which faded as funds ran out. But that bump up will only be illusury and in no way be long term. Obama would have been better off to be supportive of the needs of business to grow and to use rhetoric to build consumer confidence in the future.

            As mark zandi commented recently on bloombergTV and I paraphrase... Normally I don't consider that consumer confidence plays much of a role in a recessions recovery, but this time it will be a factor.

            ARRA helped the economy?? Please, government projections are hardly proof of effectiveness. Why not explain to us the effectiveness of government intervention in the mortgage mess? The NYT had some interesting observations on what was projected to happen vs what actually happened. It is nearly the end of 2011, how about giving us the facts of what goals projected by the CBO for ARRA actually have accomplished to date?

            • 1 vote
            #9.7 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:13 PM EDT

            Failed, Failed, Failed.

            Gary Wolfram, the William Simon Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Hillsdale College and a BMI adviser, noted that the stimulus did not address unemployment, "We still have 9.4 percent unemployment. The stimulus certainly did not address any of the problems that were creating the unemployment. It was being created by government uncertainty."

            Take your messiah's word for it.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6TxCHpDLbE

            • 1 vote
            #9.8 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:20 PM EDT

            american.

            ARRA helped the economy?? Please, government projections are hardly proof of effectiveness. Why not explain to us the effectiveness of government intervention in the mortgage mess? The NYT had some interesting observations on what was projected to happen vs what actually happened. It is nearly the end of 2011, how about giving us the facts of what goals projected by the CBO for ARRA actually have accomplished to date?

            Yes, jr. It did help the economy.

            The economic analysis shows it did.

            repoplicants - following your own advise will do wonders for you...

            I did, kid.

            I posted ecnomic analysis.

            You posted NOTHING to back up your ideological delusion.

            Got any analysis to back up what you repeat? Come on. Anything?

            • 1 vote
            #9.9 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT

            MRWSR.

            Failed, Failed, Failed.

            Yes, you did.

            You failed miserably to back up the projection based delusion you and many on the right so desperately want to believe.

            Random quotes from random economists, and WSJ OPED's do not constitute analysis. It does help you preserve things you very desperately want to believe, I know.

            Do you, or do you not, have any analysis that shows the ARRA did not help?

            And do you have an answer for why ALL of the independent analysis shows it helped?

            (I do. You have bought into an ideological delusion.....and it is amusing to watch you two desperately try to preserve it.)

            • 1 vote
            #9.10 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT

            MRWSR and american.

            I STILL think you need to do a few things.

            1. Turn off the cable news.
            2. Read the analysis on the ARRA.
            3. Take a logic class.
            • 1 vote
            #9.11 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

            Your thoughts Repub,

            Posted by Brittany Stepniak - Wednesday, September 28th, 2011

            It sounds like the Fed has failed again.

            At the long anticipated Fed meeting on September 20-21, the policymaking committee voted to lower mortgage rates as well as a variety of other long-term interest rates.

            In order to do so, the rearranged their $2.9 trillion portfolio and took $400 billion from short-term Treasurys and put it into longer-term Treasurys through June.

            The plan won in a 7-3 vote. Fisher was one of the opponents. He's the only one of the three who has gone public with an explanation for his “unpopular” decision. Charles Plosser of Philadelphia and Narayan Kocherlakota of Minneapolis were the two other Fed Presidents to disagree with the majority vote.

            According to Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas, Texas, the Fed better keep thinking of new ways to get the economy going again. In fact, Fisher argues that the latest attempt at a economic boost may do just the opposite...

            Instead of giving U.S. consumers confidence, Mr. Fisher fears the latest stimulus plan will merely frighten the consumers and “squeeze bank earnings.”

            The Treasury market is sending an abrasive message: inflation is dead.

            Now, that doesn't sound too terrible until you think about it. Despite the negative connotation, inflation is one of the key indicators of a healthy, growing economy. As the central bank announces zero-interest rate plans for at least the next two years, it signals a red flag to consumers: things are bad, really bad.

            This overload of pessimism can have extremely negative affects on the overall market, because they are all deeply affected by the psychology of consumers and traders alike. Stock markets are likely to remain highly volatile on account of this...

            Scared consumers could prove Operation Twist to be counterproductive if citizens believe our economy is “in worse shape than they thought.” In order to protect themselves, they would save money, not spend it. Further decrease in consumer spending would leave the economy stagnant at best.

            The dissenters have expressed concern that the Fed's easy money policies risk igniting inflation.

            Like Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, Fisher called on Congress and the White House to do more to stimulate economic growth. But where they disagree is over whether the Fed should be taking action, too.

            Until Congress gets its "act together," any policies adopted by the Fed "will represent nothing more than pushing on a string," Fisher said.

            Businesses and banks are already sitting on plenty of cash, Fisher said. They're just too scared and cautious about the future to take risks. That suggests that cutting interest rates further from today's near-record lows won't do much to get banks to lend and businesses to invest, hire and expand.

            Is there any hope for our economy?

            Fisher has cited what's been going on in Texas as good news. There, the state economy has done much better than that of the overall nation's economy. Pro-business policies and limited government play a role in that.

            Meanwhile, Fisher remains hopeful that other lawmakers will take note of this and buckle down, taking the challenges more seriously in days to come.

            Is there any hope for a stimulus from the Fed that will actually work?

            Fisher is a bit cautious to say “yes” to this one. But he isn't completely hopeless either:

            "I wouldn't say we're out of bullets," he said, but whatever ammunition the central bank has left, "we need to deploy very, very carefully."

            *Indented excerpts from CBSNEWS

            • 1 vote
            #9.12 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT

            MRSWR.

            Your thoughts Repub,

            I would actually like to hear your thoughts, MRSWR, and not the thoughts of the partisans you parrot.

            If you would stop desperately searching for things that tell you what you have been told to believe, take the time to study the issues on your own, think the issues through, on your own, and come to your own conclusions, you would have a much easier time supporting what you post.

            • 1 vote
            #9.13 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:10 PM EDT

            This is what is wrong with you progressive leftest. I can write all of this down, give my own thoughts and you will cry foul. You would say back it up, show numbers. Its never enough with y'all.

            If you want to know the truth, obama is bad for this country. Nothing has showed me other wise. The truth is, you will vote for him, I won't. We will just have to see what happens.

            • 2 votes
            #9.14 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT

            MRWSR.

            You did not give your own thoughts. You cut and pasted someone elses.

            In addition, when you are asked to back something up, you should do so using unbiased sources.

            -----------

            I realize that you have been repeatedly told (starting before he was even elected) that Obama is bad for this country. You and the people you parrot, are all vested in that leftover 2008 campaign projection based reality.

            You have spent the last two and a half plus years searching for and making up other projections to support the orignal delusional projections.

            This is why you fail so miserably at supporting the arguments, grown out of the conservative game of telephone, you all copy off each other.

            That is the problem with conservatives today. They are eons away from reality, and even farther away from wanting to come back to it.

            • 1 vote
            #9.15 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT

            You call out biased sources and repeating. Why is it that your sources your repeating are the ones that should be the ones with merit. You are a true rank and file follower. Prove obama is what this country needs, you will find only your left talking points. Everything points to failure. Sorry, you can not deny this.

            • 1 vote
            #9.16 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT
            Reply

            Why is the Presidents new mortgage program only designed to help loans owned by Fannie and Freddie? I would love to be able to refinance my house at a current rate today, but can't because my home is underwater. Why do Dems only enact policies that help certain segments of people and not the nation as a whole?

            • 8 votes
            Reply#10 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT

            Apparently you got a loan from the private sector....no government influence is wanted there.

            • 1 vote
            #10.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT

            I have an FHA loan, government program, why would they not be included? Again, why only loans owned by Fannie and Freddie? The government is discriminating against folks by only helping certain people and not others. We are all in the same situation due this mess.

            • 3 votes
            #10.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT
            Reply

            The only way President Obama will get things done for our economy is to simple "by pass" congress.

            That's obivious in his dealings with our foreign policies. His decisions have brought about major victories; that would not have been if the GOP/TP had to vote on them.

            Now I agree; he need to use his executive powers to get the economy moving since it seems the Republicans are still playing politics with the voters of America!!!

            I am hoping he use his powers with Wall Street (regulatory enforcement), to bring down the speculatory (gambling, guessing and controlling) aspect and may I say the most destructive point of it.

            Then when gas prices goes down to pre-george bush era; Americans can get their lives back and LIVE without stressing between gas and food.

            TRUTH - not CRAP

            Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

            "The only way President Obama will get things done for our economy is to simple "by pass" congress"

            Yes, that darn Constitution is such an annoyance. The same progressives who ludicrously claimed the US Constitution applied to foreign enemy combatants, now assert it doesnt apply to their US President.

            • 1 vote
            #12.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:57 PM EDT
            Reply

            Did you read VA Ind 's post.

            I would really like your awnser on his question.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#13 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

            Here's the truth....The Democrats (i.e. Barney frank ...) got us into this (housing) mess......

            "When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"

            "(Barney) Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing."

            "Now that the bubble has burst and the "systemic risk" is apparent to all, (Barney) Frank blithely declares: "The private sector's fault."

            LIARS = Democrats

            Obama says "we can't wait"...............The people say "WE CAN'T WAIT " for a new PRESIDENT"

            • 3 votes
            Reply#14 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT

            There has always been governmental incentives for private banks to help people with mortages.

            However it is that private bank that has done little with the incentives; not the Government.

            That's all I am going to give; read up on Fannie and Freddie; then you will see the sense of it.

            Almost of our big and private banks; are playing politics - just like the Republicans in congress.

            Don't get it twisted; it's all relative!!!

            TRUTH - not CRAP

            Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

              Reply#15 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT

              Leona, I keep hearing the same argument over and over. There shouldn't be any doubt that the housing and mortgage mess was not the work of one or two people. It took a huge financial system to tank this country. Don't point fingers unless you include everyone who had a part in the explosion.

              http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/ This pretty well lays it all out Leona.

              Now I know how much you "true Patriots" dislike information that can contradict your narrow view of issues, but sometimes it needs to be pointed out. The truth shall set you free.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#16 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT

              JBURNS,

              We " true patriots dislike information?" HAHA

              I repeat some information......

              "Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies ( Fannie& Freddie) , (Barney) Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis."

              Barney Frank should be prosecuted for encouraging this behavior with tax payer dollars !! If it wasn't so sad for the American people it would be LAUGHABLE.

              • 3 votes
              #16.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT

              JBURNS,

              Congressional hucksters sold last year’s “Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act” as a pro-consumer effort to prevent future big bank bail-outs. The good news, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office, is that Dodd-Frank expanded big government payrolls by nearly 3,000 new positions and seven new agencies. The bad news is the bill has destroyed 130,000 private sector jobs, will cost consumers $11 billion in fees, and is doing a fine job of creating a new American bank crisis.

              The U.S. House and Senate took only 21 days to pass the Dodd-Frank Act. And it was signed into law by the President on July 21, 2010 as the largest overhaul of banking in our nation’s history. The massively complex Act is 2,300 pages long and a masterful piece of crony capitalism, which explains why Congress passed the bill before anyone could actually read it.

              The public was deeply concerned by the rushed passage and has never been in favor of the legislation. A recent poll by FTI Consulting found that only 12 percent of the public were satisfied with bill, while 54% were dissatisfied. A large majority, 66%, believes the act is insufficient to protect against future bailouts. These opinion polls are about to go from concerned to downright angry as the public begins to learn how much pain they will suffer.

              I estimate that the Dodd-Frank Act will cost banks in the United States $22 billion annually. Approximately one third of those losses will come from the “Durbin Amendment”, which was secretly inserted into the bill for the sole benefit of the merchandise retailing association. The language in the Act directs the Federal Reserve to set debit card swipe fees that “are reasonable and proportional to the cost incurred by the issuer.” Although this language looked innocent, it had the effect of cutting the $.44 per swipe fee banks receive to $.26 per swipe. When multiplied on the 180 million debit cards outstanding, the banks are required to transfer $7 billion of profit to the retailers. To survive crony meddling by Congress in their private industry affairs, the banks have no choice but to begin firing another 130,000 staff and directly charging consumers for their losses.

              This is an article written by Chriss W. Street. Says alot to what is going on with our banks, thanks to the dems.

              • 3 votes
              #16.2 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

              still refusing to believe there may be unbiased information out there.

              Why obsess about a little fish like Barney Frank when you can prosecute the entire financial organization in this country.

                #16.3 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:54 PM EDT

                JBURNS,

                What if the congress repealed the act, what do you (not being sarcastic) think would happen as a result?

                • 1 vote
                #16.4 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT

                JBURNS: "Why obsess about a little fish like Barney Frank"

                Unfortunately he is NOT a "little fish". That's the whole problem . He's a very powerful Democrat in the House, sad to say ( even after the gay prostitution thing!) ! I guess Nancy Pelosi FORGOT to "drain the swamp"!

                Go GOP !!!

                • 2 votes
                #16.5 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
                Reply

                The best way for Obama to get something done is to return to the Faculty Lounge and talk about the way things should be in his perfect little socialistic utopia rather than torture the rest of us with his attacks on the private sector and his support of his union cronies. So, resignation would be an option that he should investigate.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#17 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

                The Democrats always blame all OUR countries woes on Bush.

                Who are they going to blame when Obama is finally OUT of the White House (NOV. 2012) and we are left with $15 trillion debt and high unemployment.

                If you ask the Democrats, IN 2013, it won't be Obama's fault, we know that. HAHA

                • 3 votes
                Reply#18 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:42 PM EDT

                Ahhhh....panhandler extrordinaire....

                  Reply#19 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:16 PM EDT

                  Jobs plan stymied in congress, really? I wonder what part of the rights insistance on no new taxes played or obama threatening to veto.

                  Amazing that obama talks about parting out his plan after it failed to pass the senate in total he now abandons his job plan after failing to secure continued employment of state and local employees.

                  His attention span is sooooo long. So much for his caring about the middle class and the private sector. I wonder who he thinks will pay the taxes necesary for government workers wages and programs to be funded.

                    Reply#20 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:22 PM EDT

                    I don't think it's a matter of blaming as it is a bigger matter for you Republicans in wanting to forget.

                    But how soon you do... as most remember how life was, pre-George Bush and how it became after.

                    There's no denying the facts - George Bush destroyed America!!!!

                    George Bush ruined this country!!! It took him EIGHT (8) years to cause the biggest finanical disaster EVER!!! and the Republican congress helped him in every way and the wealthy benefitted from it in every way.

                    NOW - President Obama in his efforts to right BUSH's wrong...people think it should take him less than THREE (3) years to do that. All the while, wishing Americans would forget why we are in this mess in the first place.

                    Absolutely Amazing; Republicans only qualities are to mess up and blame the other guy - especially after they reap the benefits of their screw ups.

                    President Obama is going to be re-elected; because no matter how much you Republicans want to forget and blame. VOTERS know the TRUTH!!! and they are tired of lying REPUBLICANS.

                    TRUTH - not CRAP

                    Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

                      Reply#21 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT

                      "President Obama is going to be re-elected."

                      Now that is CRAP, not TRUTH.

                      Obama will lose 40 states, and take down a boatload of Far Left Democrats with him.

                        #21.1 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:09 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        I'm all for Obama, but we need a program that will help all the people, not just those that messed up and got stuck owing more than their houses are worth. What about the people that are playing by the rules but just can't make any progress because the system is rigged for the rich? If this is a program that will help banks, then forget that, do something that will help the people and let the banks come to them.

                          Reply#22 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT

                          This will help a little. But it does not go far enough in actually creating jobs. It will simply put money back in the pockets of taxpayers, and hope they spend it, and ultimately put money back in the economy -- sort of a trickle up effect. But with Republicans blocking everything in Congress, this is about all he can do.

                            Reply#23 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT

                            yep, all those house bills passed and sent to the senate where the senate majority leader reid has blocked those bills from being debated or even offerring a senate alternative.

                            It is now October 25, 2011 and still the senate has not proposed an alternative to the FY 2012 budget passed by the house 1 qtr 2011. Since the house is under republican control I would hardly say that they are the ones blocking.

                              #23.1 - Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
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                              Yes Mr. President you are correct. The nation can not wait for the "Gross Odd People" (GOP), and the "Really Not Competent" (RNC) to do the correct policies economically. The "Hoodlum's On The Hill" have made it clear America. They will politically destroy this President at all costs, which equals, the destruction of our nation. The GOP/RNC killed the Jobs Bill, and killed Social Security. The American People can not wait on the "Party Of No" to continue to do nothing. In the US Senate, the "Insane McCain Clan" is still politically spewing, and cognitively strained. The poltical puking of in the House by the GOP/RNC "Hoodlum's On The Hill" is just very troubling to see. They have no respect for their President, no respect for their nation, and no respect for themselves. Yes Mr. President. The nation was economically out of tme since 2001. When the "Brainless Bush" Tax Cuts were put into tax law.

                                Reply#24 - Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT

                                The evil of the GOP/RNC is "Mickey Mitch McConnell." This is political fact America. This "Mickey Mouse Show" starring "Mickey Mitch McConnell" has had a political agenda to destroy an American Presient. This is TREASON!! This GOP/RNC Clown is a enemy of teachers, police, and firefighters. "Mickey Mouse McConnell" is a destroyer of all economic safety nets for thoes in our society that can not economically defent themselves. "Mickey Mouse Mitch McConnell" is a poltical rat America! To the GOP/RNC "Hoodlum's On The Hill." He is their hero, and they have no clue about what their citizens are suffering with right now. Getting ready to vote yet America?? I hope so!!

                                  Reply#25 - Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT
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