It is mostly to keep the slutty liberals, and if this fits you excuse me, from using abortion as their own birth control method.

TIRED: That's funny, cause I thought "slutty" people like Newt Gingrich were getting their knobs polished on the side while his wife was dying of cancer. Are you going to make me list the scores of Republican "Family Values" politicians caught with their pants down? Mark Vitter ring a bell? What about the NY State Congressman with his nude photos on the internet, etc, etc, etc.

And if you Neanderthals who want to turn the clock back to the Middle Ages were really so concerned about abortion, then you would stop your ceaseless attacks on Planned Parenthood, sex education being taught in schools as well as your opposistion to birth control being readily available for young people. Why don't you ask Sister Sarah how "abstinence" worked out for Bristol??? And suppose Bristol did not have a wealthy mom to take care of her child, she'd be on welfare and you'd be the first to bitch about it.

You rant against abortion and then do everything in your power to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Keep up the good work. You're doing great work.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Family Values Freaks at their finest... lol

Once again Feisty offers her intellect. Not sure what her "family values" are, but rest assured they are in line with that of a liberal I'm sure. Heaven forbid if she would actually discuss real family values though. Thanks for offering nothing but your hatred once again Feisty.

Where do you come up with these inflammatory comments? If we are going to have an honest discussion on abortion and the role of government in our lives our discussions should include facts and reasoning, not these kinds of statements.

Well Ozzie, all I said was the lib's were using it as their own form of birth control. I was not defending any of the people you mentioned, by the way I noticed you left out the poster children of Dem's that are as bad as the Rep's , but don't worry we know who they are.

Me personally I believe it is a women's right to have an abortion as long as she or whomever got her pregnant pay for it. I don't want one dime of mine going to it.

And as for Feisty, I don't hate her, heck I don't even know her, I hope. But all you lib's think it is just peachy that she spew all her hate and name calling about the Rep's/conservatives, which is all she or he does, so I am just giving a little back. Going home now, so do not expect any more responses.

Here is how the game is played, tired. When you make a global statement like "libs were using it for their own form of birth control" you need to supply a responsible source.

Insurance should cover abortion, since it is a form of medical treatment. Women can die. But, the right wing never seems to care about that as long as cell division is protected. Once it becomes a child, with real needs the right wing is the first to name call, and to vote down support, like WIC and Headstart.

We frankly do not care about your opinion of Feisty. She has many fans, people like to read what she is up to.

Agree totally newday.........

Mornin' all.....as usual, the TeaPeople only care about the unborn not the born!

Their version of small government is mystifying to say the least...the continued assault on womens rights.....

tiredofitall14 said:

And then you collapse my first comment, what a bunch of babies!

The little pansy says as he cries about it like a little girl. LOL. Have some self respect man.

If all these arrogant idiots were really concerned about abortion, they would make sure that pregnant women are given free and total health care for themselves and for the child.

It's interesting how they consider life as "precious", but don't want to provide health care for all Americans. However, they just love war, but think nothing about all the lives that are destroyed on both sides.

chilled, the hypocrisy is mind boggling!

Heaven forbid if she would actually discuss real family values though

See here's the thing - real values originate within the family...

Not from fanatical, religious, ideologues determining what MY family values should be!

There is nothing to discuss...

Are we clear NOW?

...and from the great state of Mississippi..........

I would think that states have other issues that need to be addressed in a serious way, like JOBS!

"The measure could be interpreted to outlaw the birth control pill, for instance, because the pill can sometimes prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg. They also say the measure could outlaw in vitro fertilization , stem cell research and emergency contraception for rape victims, as well as discourage doctors from performing a lifesaving miscarriage treatment when a woman is suffering from potentially-fatal pregnancy complications"

"Libertarian champion Ron Paul began to speak after Gingrich and some in the crowd departed. The Texas congressman recited biblical references and told the crowd the Bible is filled with “dozens of quotations… telling us to have honest weights and honest measures.”

And, the same Bible speaks of selling your children into slavery and about women being worth less and having to serve longer as slaves. I wish they would actually tell what they would do to turn the economy around and get off the religion bandwagon. "999" was straight up with no exemptions, morphed into "909" with exemptions--all in a week. The working poor and unemployed would have to pay the national sales tax plus their states sales tax. Put that on the side of a bus, Herman.

Well Ozzie, all I said was the lib's were using it as their own form of birth control.

If conservatives believe that "liberals" are using abortion as a birth control (yeah, having an abortion is SO much more convenient and pain-free than taking a birth-control pill), then they should be advocating the teaching of sex education and contraception in schools. Yet, they adamantly opposed those measures. They just can't make up their mind, it seems.

The comments here from pro-choice people is just as ridiculous and barbaric as they claim to be coming from the far right.

Abortion wasn't a concern to prevent "only in Middle Ages", people aren't so stupid to know what the reproductive system and sex yields -- another human being. Abortion is unnatural in all aspects, as it is an abuse of a body system that has a sole purpose of reproduction.

Ironically --and more revealing that pro-choice is much more about killing developing humans -- is that a couple days ago MSNBC reported on the expectant mother with cancer who chose to not do chemotherapy to preserve the health of her fetus. The baby was born healthy, and the ailing mother dies three days later from her cancer.

On the MSNBC forums, the "pro-choicers" were ridiculing and mocking the mother for making a stupid choice and said the mother was selfish, since the daughter will now "grow up without a parent and never know who she was." I kid you not. Absolute A**HOLES.

Life is the greatest gift a woman can provide to another. And to mock a fellow citizen (and probably fellow female) by these pro-choice fiends to say the mother couldn't make the somber but legitimate CHOICE of not aborting was dispicable.

Nowhere in the constitution does is say abortion is a right. Government cannot insert itself into the doctor-patient relationship to dictate what to do. HOWEVER, government can/should and has draw the line in the sand about what is legal -- although sicne the 1960s the moral fabric and social responsibilty aspect of life and reproduction sure has been tossed out, along with millions of fetuses we all know are destined to be humans.

I could make the case that as a nation we are more worried about our beer than we are abortion. We have had legal abortion for over 35 years. We amended the Constitution to prohibit alcohol and then repealed that amendment inside of five years. You tie an abortion bill to a beer bill and then you might get somewhere.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

See here's the thing - real values originate within the family...

Brilliant, thus the term "family" values.

Not from fanatical, religious, ideologues determining what MY family values should be!

There is nothing to discuss...

Of course not. That's why you had to post in the first place. Because you have nothing to offer.

Are we clear NOW?

Crystal

Why is it that the Tea Party and Republicans all keep saying they want the government out of their lives...YET they want the right to tell a women what she can and cannot do with her body or are against gay marriage? If you truly wanted government out of peoples lives, you would stop trying to make social issues the platform or ATLEAST run under the platform that everyone is created equally. Not pick and choose based off the color of skin, sex, or sexual prefference.

And anyone that quotes bible verses needs to realize that if you are gonna quote the bible then you actually need to live by it fully...not pick and choose what suits you at the time of reference. True people of faith live by it fully...not halfass it like most people do. 90% of christians give Christianity a bad name.

EDIT: I also like how most men are the ones that are the most Pro Life....they don't carry the child for 9 mo...and many run the opposite direction as soon as they find out they knocked someone up...

Senator David Vitter of Louisiana is the perfect poster child for the wild hypocrisy of the right wing family values crowd. Vitter ran just such a family values campaign. Pictures of his clean scrubbed, Christian, perfect family all smiles and happiness. He could not wait to scream and beat his chest about the evil depravity of Bill Clinton and repeatedly demanded that Clinton resign. Even Vitter's wife took the stage to rack up Clinton stating that he was lucky he was not married to her as she would not be so forgiving of his immoral activities. And then...we find out that Vitter has been using a DC prostitution/escort agency to get off on his diaper clad sexual perversions. Over a period of years this guy had been crawling around with DC prostitutes while proclaiming his strong marriage and great family values. And what do we hear from Vitter? He takes the stage, with his hypocritical, pathetic wife standing silently next to him, and proclaims all is forgiven. His God has forgiven him, his family has forgiven him and now we should just move on and forget about this little incident. Will he resign? Of course not, his country needs him. Ha!

So these are the people who make up the republican family values crowd. Serial adulterers (Gingrich) closeted self hating homosexuals (Craig and Mr. Bachmann) and all sorts of scumbag hypocrites. Their motto? Do as I say, not as I do. If it weren't so dangerous to the well being of this country it would just be plain pathetic.

And that dumbass Herman Cain will say ANYTHING to keep his nasty republican public applauding him...

He is saying tha he would only choose "conservative" justices to abolish Wade Vs. Rowe. Also, that he would cut all funding to Planned Parenthood...So much for any "christianity" left on this A***E

IRESPOND,

Just curious. If abortion goes against my religion, why should my tax dollars go to an organization which is govt. funded and where abortions are taking place?

That's like saying that guns should be paid for by tax dollars even though liberals are against the use of guns.

Ok Feisty, we're all ears. How about for once you actually say something. You believe (so you say) in family values. What are they? Without spewing hatred and distain for anyone who disagrees with you, just state what you think. How about this, I'll start...

I am opposed to abortion. I take that stand because I believe, based on my faith tradition and well thought out personal sense of morality, that life begins at conception. I faithfully believe that, at the instant of conception, God endows this new being with a fully formed and complete soul. This act by the Almighty renders this new life a complete human being worthy of protection and a life that is separate and distinct, although depend upon, the mother. It is not the mother's property to be disposed of at will.

I support gay marriage because I believe that the government has absolutely no legal authority to determine who anyone can or cannot marry, provided that both parties are of the age of consent and the marriage is voluntary for both parties. Banning gay marriage violates the equal protection and due process clauses of the US Constitution and the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

I think the amount of time someone can collect welfare should be limited in most cases. If you are going to collect welfare than you must be engaged in some sort of educational development program, supported by the government, that will get you off welfare, back to work and paying taxes.

I think the government is way too intrusive and should learn to mind its own business, keeping out of the lives of private citizens and particularly keeping out of our bedrooms.

I think social conservatives, as a rule, suck. And if my republican party is stupid enough to nominate one for president then I think Obama will get that chance at a second term.

Okay, your turn.

Leona:

I can ask you exactly the same question about war. I guess we all have to give up where our taxes will end, since we can not control that. Personally, I prefer that my taxes go to help people in DESPERATE situations, instead of killing them...How about you?

Folks, what we really need on or at any debate of any kind between any and all politicans is honesty coming from thier individual mouths. This is something we never get. When a politican makes a claim of any kind you can count on something somewhere coming back to bite him or her every time..Honesty among politicans is a no-no. Yet it seems people have no problem believing them according to their party connections. When you consider the values most politicans have..which are most of the time none....Ihave to wonder why the voters are not more chosey about who they vote for. So far, all politicans in washington today are backed by big business..and every bill passed comfirms it. Every trade deal makes more profits for big business...and big business hands a ton of money to congress to get it done. All you have to do for those deals is compare the exports we make to those countries to what our politicans allow to be imported by them...and lets not loose the fact that jobs have also gone along with manufacturing to these same countries with the blessings of our elected. On a more local item, the health care bill that was passed...seems great in one way....this country needs good health care..but...at what cost are we to get it ? Health care cost already has gone up....insurance companies stand to make even more money from the health care deal....and why not..they helped to write it.

We need honest representation in washington...watching out for this country, not themselves. Many politicans we have are millionaires..and I have no problem with the fact that they are..I do however wonder just who they really are working for..and I have to consider that the few newly elected ones that are not millionaires when they go into office..usually come out much more well off....the pay must be a whole lot better than it would seem to be. Consider that no politican , whether in office or running for office is pushing to change the way washington works....full disclosure is a no-no..not one politican is forthright in this area...nor will any of them push to stop lobbyist and their millions of dollars that go to every politican. Instead of electing politicans maybe we need to hire lobbyist....might get more done for the middle class or at least better representation.

pro life until birth... then no life

Ah, social issues - THE most important weapon in the propaganda arsenal -

It's time for a reminder -

Q.) How does the Republican Party get someone making 8.75 an hour to identify with the economic interests of people who make millions shuffling paper on Wall Street?

A.) By feeding him a disgusting gruel of anti-abortion, anti-Gay, anti-Mexican, anti-Islam, anti-science, anti- gun control slop and convincing him that one day he'll be eating filet mignon and having a great big piece of pie (in the sky, of course) for dessert.

with the economy at the top of the list for americans, the gop/tp have over 200 antichoice abortion bills being pushed around the country.

Your tax dollars pay for executions, how does that work for your religion?

Amen, Forrest! Our tax dollars pay to punish offenders, but the death penalty costs way more than life imprisonment because of all of the appeals. With so many death penalty cases being overturned due to new evidence (like DNA or improved investigative techniques), I don't get why people want to pay MORE for criminals' punishment. Put them in jail. If new, credible evidence is found that someone is innocent, at least we haven't made the mistake of killing him or her before it's too late. And we haven't wasted precious dollars on endless appeals.

All valid points Bethie, my point is simple, how can you rail against one and support the other, either you have various laws that allow us to take a life for various reasons, or you believe that is God's domain period. How can you have it both ways at once. We justify the taking of lives all the time, why are people surprised that so many can justify abortion as well. Is it only because abortion does not satisfy our sense of revenge or punishment. I'm OK with the death penality, and that is why I don't rail against abortion, or Obama collecting the heads of our enemies, if your OK with humans taking the lives of other humans, if you are going to take that out of "God's" hands, then it is what it is, because the Christian commandment is pretty straightforward, "Thou shall not kill".

LEONA-Still waiting for an answer to the question asked by IRESPOND. If I am a Quaker and war is against my religion, why should my taxes go to an organization that actually starts and fights wars.

Yes--I agree, Forrest, that the "pro-life" crowd is pretty selective. They support unborn children until they are born but don't want to support universal health care, Headstart programs, WIC, welfare, Planned Parenthood (whose efforts result in fewer abortions, not more), etc. It's also hypocrtical to me to call oneself "pro-life" and then be pro-war, pro-torture, pro-death penalty, and pro-guns.

Yep you never see a bumper sticker that says "It's an old person not a choice"!

I just find it disturbing that the GOP, with all the problems in the US right now, that they would concentrate on social issues. What happened to their promise to focus on jobs? I don't believe this is what the American people want to hear about. They want to hear about the GOP's plan to get the economy moving, and creating jobs.

You got that right Tweet, Americans are not out in the streets from coast to coast protesting abortion, now are they?

If it doesn't relate to the economy, then move on. It's kind of like complaining about the chipped old paint on the shutters as the house burns. It really doesn't make much difference right at this moment, does it? I think the social issues can wait until we turn this nightmare economy around. You Iowans would be well advised to drop the paint brushes and grab the hose. Otherwise, the rest of us are left to wonder why the hell you're painting the trim on a burning building. To us, it just makes you look ridiculous.

David Vitter doesn't care what you think. David Vitter has no honor. David Vitter wouldn't know "family values" if it smacked him in the face. The good news for David Vitter is that he's from Louisiana and in Louisiana being a Republican is all that matters. He represents Republican values. He brings "getting right with God" into it. In days past Mr. Vitter would have resigned in absolute shame and never heard of again. So, Mr. Vitter is indicative of the society we've evolved into.

Why should a women have a child if she has no prospect of properly feeding, clothing, and educating that child, just so she can get ridiculed and demonized for taking the welfare that she then will need. Should the kid run the streets until such time as we put them in prison and pay $80,000 a year to house them. Family Values cost money, a good deal of money in fact, I don't see any praise for a women who gets welfare instead of an abortion.

"Well Ozzie, all I said was the lib's were using it as their own form of birth control"

How can you make a statement as ignorant as that and expect to have any credibility on anything?

And. Leona, there are (already) laws against using tax dollars for abortions, so Planned Parenthood is not using your money for that. Can you say the same about my tax dollars going for war or the death penalty, which are against my principles?

More selective Moral-ism by the Right Wing Zombies.

Where was your outrage when our Young Men and Women were being killed in Iraq on the premise of lies? As long as they survive the womb huh?

@Gimmeabreak: Abortion is unnatural in all aspects, as it is an abuse of a body system that has a sole purpose of reproduction.

Guess you must be unaware that a miscarriage is actually medically termed an abortion? Don't believe me? Look it up.

Yep, sounds like those people in that thread were jerks. Assuming, of course, that they were legit and not trolls. But I tell you what. Maybe you shouldn't judge all pro-choice people by that group and maybe all pro-choice people might try not judging all you anti-choice people by the hypocrites who get abortions when their friends aren't protesting.

Leona... when have your tax dollars been used for abortion? Just curious seeing as no tax dollars are used for those purposes. Perhaps you could tune into reality and a credible news agency, or hell even do the research yourself to see your folly. I have to agree with the others tho, they have no problems at all funding wars. Most Republicans make me sick, they will never know true values or morals.

As an independent, I am confused by the conservative platform of not wanting the government to do anything, yet wanting the government to interfere in marriage, medical decisions, what people do in the bedroom, war on drugs. etc. This government interference in people's choices has a cost, yet conservatives don't want to pay taxes.

I do not happen to support abortion for me and my partner, but I would rather pay for an abortion so a young lady can finish school, than to pay for her and her unwanted baby to be on welfare for the next 20 years. Long term, means she never becomes a tax payer. So, given that we are broke, why would we choose to spend 100 times as much by forcing her to go on welfare for 20 years, instead of letting her get an abortion? If you force her to keep the baby, you are morally obligated to support it.

exactly steve!

What is more is the baffling effect of a tea bagging republican agenda of abortion laws and voter suppression under the guise of fraud when it is jobs that are needed. When it is in fact a stagnant free market that is a problem. Money in politics and the over turning of a 63 year old campaign finance law allowing the outright bribery and corrupting of politicians. Besides these examples oaths taken by tea bagging republicans to private citizens and groups such as Mr. Norquist that thwart and superceed the oaths of office taken on a bible before God leaves little doubt to whom tea bagging republicans loyalties lie.

It is the DUTY of this countries government to keep us safe indeed. But not only safe from crime and safe from war and safe from terrorist but SAFE from crumbling bridges and deteriorating roads and a sup par power grid that charges the elderly and poor and middle class a PREMIUM to use it when it is active that is.

All the while our children's education and minds suffer disparaging curriculum and outdated classrooms and tools and the so called "job creators" are not creating a job in site. So it is then the job of the government FOR the people BY the people to protect us from an economy not on the gold standard to be rebounded by our government to pick up the slack that the PRIVATE sector is incapable of or unwilling to make go around. ;]

And a government smaller by the right wings definition is to control and over see women's rights and the rights of the family they claim to protect? A smaller government to slow commerce with sub par roads and no protection from fires and crime? And the youth we depend on to continue this countries economy in the years to come are slow witted and unable to prosper because of a lack of education and teachers? And we must all simply thrive in a sub par artificial economy make our own way and buy health care insurance at sky high premiums while paying the price of over three dollars a gallon in gas? Hmmm. Small government indeed is it.

Cheers

IRESPOND,

Since you asked, I am against war. There are Republicans like myself, that feel that way, you know.

Democrats are all over the map on the issue too. Obama was suppose to be a "peace maker" and look where he took us (into other countries). Obama amped up Afghanistan, sent drones to Libya, and boots into Uganda) . He even "took out" Awalaki. As much as we are better off without him, Awalaki was an American citizen and did not have a trial.

Now you can respond to my question about abortion.

I have an idea which would solve the question of abortion, when does it become a human child and other things-- including the problems of welfare. NEUTER ALL MALES AT CHILDBIRTH!

I am a guy and I could really give a rats ass about abortion. Yep, it doesn't affect me and I know it sound cruel, but it doesn't. I know women who had abortion and some took it fairly well and other are still torn up about it. It was a choice and they made the best choice that they had. The myth that is it used for birth control is just bull crap and people on the right know it. Abortion takes an emotional toll on the person and it is not something that is taken lightly, but I am not here to discuss abortion as much as I am to point out that it is ok for the government to stay out of our pockets, but it is not ok (as stated by the right) for the government to stay out of our lives, when it comes to legislating Christian morality? What the eff is up with that? What does the GOP really stands for? Are you against government telling people how to live or are you just against people that are not like you? You cannot have it both ways, but I know the GOP with the advent of their radical (yep, I can over use that stupid word as well) Tea Party wing is trying to force their morality down our throats (yep, I can use that silly forcing statement too). The mandate according to the Republican and the Nov. 2010 ass beating they put on the Democrats in the election was JOBS. This is not about JOBS, this is about being dicksand trying to let everyone conform to the GOP ideals come hell or high water. So I say eff you and your family values, eff you and your religion and eff you and your pandering to the people who could really give a crap about life, because you hear nothing and I mean nothing about fixing our deplorable adoption and foster system in this country. GOP = all a bunch of uncaring, heartless a-holes. Yep, this totally an unreasonable reaction to this article, but so is the heavy handedGOP/TP push to make everyone a Christian. Hell, not even the Mormons are Christians enough for your party.

/end rant

Leona::: And who the flip started the wars in the Middle East? A little tin god named Shrub (that is a little bush). Since apparently you are a good republithug, then Shrub the Miserable is your tin god on wheels. Awalaki may have been an American citizen, but so was the American citizen who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City-- or don't you remember that one. Awalaki may have been an American citizen, but nothing says an American can't turn against other Americans.

Look at MAJ Hassan-- an American citizen, took advantage of the United States Army to further his career. So he goes and MURDERS fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. How well I remember those days.

I'm afraid you are barking up the wrong tree if you think we should have spared Awalaki-- who turned his back on America and murdered Americans.

Maybe you should hang around this world a bit longer and learn something.

Susie-2759697 1.50 Just a side note...

Awalaki attended Colorado State University on a foreign student visa and a government scholarship from Yemen, apparently by claiming to be born in that country.

Sounds to me like he gave up his US citizenship before 1991.

The year is 2014. Republicans have swept both houses of congress and the presidency. The supreme court is now stacked 5-4 in favor of conservatives and Roe v. Wade is overturned making abortion illegal once again in America. Conservatives will be pleased just to read these words.

Now what? Republicans, please lay out a plan for what the next step is in enforcing this horribly illegal activity. Can we expect to start seeing a slew of prosecutions of young women and medical professionals? What will the charges be? Murder in the 1st degree? 2nd degree? Manslaughter?

What a lovely and productive country we will be then.

I wonder how full the courts will be with cases involving a woman's one-time right to choose her own fate. With the new law, it will now be up to the government and politicians to determine how the majority of our justice system will spend its time.

Or is it all just about the morality of it? You plan on introducing and passing a law that will go unenforced? So you'll all have the moral highground but no stomach for enforcement?

I really don't see how overturning Roe V. Wade will help Republicans do anything except show Americans how much we don't want government interfering in our personal lives.

You want sharia law? Because that's what you'll have. And lo and behold who is responsible for the championing of this intrusive behavior?

Republicans.

The solution to the invisible problem Republicans can't see because they are blind to the social consequences of real life? Vote democrat in every election until they are silenced once and for all.

What we need is a Grover Norquist of abortion. Right-wingers can sign the "pledge" that states that they will take responsibility for the unwanted babies of mothers who can no longer get a legal abortion. Make those zealots responsible for feeding, clothing and nurturing the unwanted children.

Otherwise you'll find more babies in dumpsters than you ever thought possible. It won't stop or prevent unwanted pregnancies, it will simply create more unwanted and unloved children to clog our already over-stressed government - you know, that thing that Republicans hate almost as much as abortion?

Honestly if you guys had an ounce of common sense between yourselves you might be fit to lead. But you don't - and you're not.

When it comes to pregnancy, the woman is only half the problem. I understand that some people are against abortion. God forbid if the female needs an abortion in order to save her life. The best way to prevent pregnancy is to NEUTER THE MALES at birth!

I never had to worry. My husband and I didn't want any children, so he had surgery. But I got two grown children when we married, and now I have four grandchildren and four greatgrandchildren (plus one who is deceased).

A friend of mine likened it to instant coffee and instant tea!

Sane Central::: Maybe you should explain about that guy's citizenship to Leona. She was the one who brought it up in the first place. I only told her that an Anerican citizen can become a terrorist and murder other Americans.

I remember the terrorist at Fort Hood. I was volunteering at the vet center and worked extra hours because of it-- but it was my choosing. I wasn't told to, but I knew they needed help at the center and I could help some. We had two other things that month, so between my regular work there and the three other things that we had, I volunteered 98 hours (my regular hours are about 45 hours).

Argueing abortion on the basis of religion is ridiculous. We have freedom of religion and not everyones religion says that killing an unborn child in it's mother's womb is murder so lets argue this on the basis of facts. Fact #1 A child has it's own circulatory system with blood that can differ from the mothers by 23 DAYS in. That mean's it is alive. It has all of it's genetic code from conception so it is human. These are facts. So after 23 days you are taking a human life. Hard scientific fact. Fact #2 Arguments about viability are hollow. No human is viable on it's own until a good 5 years after birth so is it ok to kill your kid in their stroller because they "can't survive outside the womb" without you?

The morality of abortion is debatable but the ethics is clear cut. It is unethical and selfish to take another human life because you were too self-absorbed to use a condom, diaphram, female condom, birth control, spermacide, or whatever means is easily and readily available. Abortion is about the denial of personal responsibility. Grow a set. If you are old enough to make a baby you are old enough to raise a baby. You MADE your choice. You CHOSE to have unprotected sex. You CHOSE to indulge yourself in some fun behavior. Now you have to take the consequences. Sex=baby. Or didn't you take basic biology in school.

Wow - judge much, Matt? You're not exactly a flexible flier there, son!

So tell me dawning - You feel that abortion is a reproductive right? Is it your contention that an ooops and an abortion is just okee dokee? What the hell... let's all have unfettered sexual relations and whoever gets pregnant can simply have an abortion to throw the newly formed life under the rug... Am I reading you correctly?

You'd rather have the government control your life in spurious doses... They will control your healthcare in a very short while. They already control so many aspects of your life that you hardly notice. You are ripe for totalitarian control... and it ain't coming through the hands of the republicans.

They want smaller government, small enough to fit in a woman's uterus, I guess.

It's so uplifting to see how liberals advocate murder. Well, it is murder ya know. I hardly ever come across a liberal that is for the unborn's rights... it's all about the mother's right to choose... Does anyone ever ask the unborn if they want to be torn to shreds like ground beef? Does the mother? Does the father? Does the doctor? Nope... we live in a society that is bound by convenience... get pregnant, no problem... one quick visit to the doctor... he whirls, he twirls, swipe, snip, snip..... and voila! The problem is gone. Tucked behind you like yesterday's news... Every weekend you can party hardy until the STD's get you.

Well brian....you put a stethoscope up to the stomach and ask away if its ok with the fetus if the mother chooses to carry it or not....go right ahead.

Hi Brianb, I could make the case that as a nation we are more worried about our beer than we are abortion. We have had legal abortion for over 35 years. We amended the Constitution to prohibit alcohol and then repealed that amendment inside of five years. You tie an abortion bill to a beer bill and then you might get somewhere.

Forrest, best comment EVER!

I want you all to notice the anger in Brian's post. He has a right to define life as he sees it, he does not have the right to codify his personal belief into law. In fact, using words like the "unborn" are straw man type arguments. There is no "unborn". There is cell division.

Brian would be the first to advocate making contraceptives and fact based sex education readily available to all. To be against it calls out yet again the hypocrites that the anti choice crew are.

You don't like abortion? Don't have one, don't cause one to happen. Other people are able to make that choice for themselves.

Where are the Christian orphanages, how come all three couples that I know who have adopted had to go to Russia or Guatemala, and spend $80,000 to $120,000, to adopt babies. Christians have built everything fro amusement parks to "universities" why don't they build some orphanages and save some babies?

Well New Day if the American people could not stomach abortion, it would have changed by now, it is a campaign wedge issue, and that is all, the American people don't wait 35 years if they are really upset about something.

AHHHH... Let's throw some science into it New Day... You'd consider the Psychic sciences true, wouldn't you? Psychiatric studies, check out this link:

http://afterabortion.org/2011/abortion-risks-a-list-of-major-psychological-complications-related-to-abortion/

Maybe you feel abortion is nothing but the removal of a few cells... If this were true, how come many women have serious regrets about it for years and years?

Forrest - how much do you know about government regulations concerning orphanages in this country? That would answer your question.

Maybe you feel abortion is nothing but the removal of a few cells... If this were true, how come many women have serious regrets about it for years and years?

And if you are so concerned about the well being of individuals, you should see how many innocent children with disabilities are dumped to be taken for the state, when they are not wanted by their mothers. They usually end up in Foster homes, abused in any possible kind of way. just to end up probably incarcerated or homeless.

Why don't you do a "search" about that as well, instead of being so preocuppied with the women that have abortions and regreat it -That, by the way, is a MINORITY- and is the minority that gets published to advance the agendas of "Pro-life" individuals like you.

Who needs all those clows to make decisions that personal...They are all about smaller government...Of course, if it fits into their agendas...Hypocrites...They all havy dirty laundry to air...It is just waiting to be found.

Leave people alone...Even Ron Paul, that proclaimes himself a "champion" of liberties and freedom is caving to his masters of the Tea Party...Typical.

Hypocritical club of bozos.......

Ahhhh, Brian...but you did not throw science into it, "psychic" or otherwise.

So funny, it was just this morning hubby and I were having a conversation about how lay people cannot recognize the difference between real studies, and false conclusions from pre determined nonsense. And brian brings one to life. That blurb (it is NOT a scientific study) is from the Elliot Foundation who is determined to lie about abortion.

The American Psychological Association has rejected the idea that abortion causes mental health problems, as did Dr. Everett Koop, a Reagan appointee to the Surgeon General's post. And don't think the right wing nuts weren't mad about that.

Do all you conservative folks honestly believe that women use abortions as birth control (i.e. in place of a condom or the pill)? It is a woman's right to choose. As an above poster mentioned, if a woman with cancer chooses to save her unborn child rather than get chemo, that is her choice. Similarly, if a women learns that her child will have a severely compromised quality of life (i.e. tube fed with the cognitive age of a 4 mo old and high propensity toward many medical severe problems in addition to a preexisting developmental disorder), then yes, it is her (and the father's) right to choose. (And such things conditions do occur.) If a woman is raped, it is also her right to choose.

Well Brianb I will just pick on Catholics, since I am Catholic, and if they cared to know as much about regulations for orphanages as they do legal defenses for pedophiles they could get it done. The Catholic Church owns a few of the best hospitals in every city of America, why don't they offer some prenatal care for a pregnant women, and the promise that the baby will be delivered in the hospital, at no charge, if she gives it up for adoption as opposed to having an abortion. Why don't Christians put their money where their mouth is, you are talking about people who go to extremes and attack abortion providers so the government regulation thing is a very weak argument. We have no regulations against charity, these babies could go directly from the hospital to the adopting parents in a matter of hours from their time of birth, if more Christians wanted to spend the money and effort. Regulations are not stopping anything. Where are the orphanages if we are so worried, what are they doing besides calling people baby murderers, and bombing clinics, where is the radical movement to really save babies with all the wonderful resources they have at their disposal. It's time for the Catholic church and others to put their money where their mouth is.

newdaydawning... its not get the government off the backs of people ,..its get the government out of regulateing business ...

It's so uplifting to see how liberals advocate murder

We can hardly compare with the Republicans, that take pride in their hero Perry killing "REAL " humans, that yell like cas on heat when anybody even suggest that we should take more control of guns. They immediately bring up the 2o. ammendment, and other issues.

Republicans have the lead on that one pal.

Brian -

Maybe you feel abortion is nothing but the removal of a few cells... If this were true, how come many women have serious regrets about it for years and years?

Women regret what might have been, and perhaps they also regret the decision. It is possible to miss what you don't have, but still think you made the right decision. Either way it's a choice they made, and it's something they have to live with. It's not government's place to make the decision for them or to save women from regret. And not all women regret the decision.

Sorry, no independent jim: The constant mantra from the right wing taliban is about reducing the influence of the federal government in the lives of citizens. They just lie about their intent.

But let's take your statement at face value. You would agree then that the federal government has no business regulating women's clinics? Right?

I've always wondered why abortion and other divisive issues like it never seem to make it onto ballots so the general population (instead of self-appointed arbiters of decency) could decide the status of them and we could simply move on with the next order of business. I'm sure that particular issue wouldn't be a referendum the GOP and their crimson-faced devotees would do well in - but at least the issue would be resolved.

Amen Newday.....I can only hope and pray that the majority of the American electorate send these conservathugs running for the hills. The arrogance, self-righteousness and hateful attitude of these people scares me. Protect life at all cost untill it's born and then you're on your own. No right to healthcare. No right to live with even basic human dignity. And have you heard the way they get all excited about execution (government sponsored murder) ? I thought the ideal of Christianity was supposed to be helping the poorest among us, caring for the sick and feeding the hungry. But I guess that's not true with these guys. I'm perfectly fine with my spirituality and understanding of God so I don't need these delusional hypocrites trying to legislate their ignorance and piousness into my life. Religion is an individual thing and belongs in the church house NOT the state house.

These "Republican hopefuls" really have a funny code of ethics: Let the children be born...Then we can starve them by taking away any kind of assistance to their single mothers.... When they grow up in a nasty neighborhood, and turn into criminals we will incarcerate them, better then, we will give them the death penalty if we have a way to do it.....Who cares if they become homeless or not...we are not here to take care of "leeches", only responsible adults with a job, since it is their fault that they are homeless anyway....

Explain that one to me all of you "Bible thumpers" "Christians" as you call yourselves....

I agree with you stexasdave. Each of us has the right to determine what our personal moral code is, and what our relationship to God is, or if we even want one. But the idea that we do not provide a safety net for those in need is the very opposite of what I was taught that Jesus preached. Like you, I hope the Republican Party begins to move away from the social conservatives. I used to be a Republican when it meant that you were fiscally conservative, but socially live and let live. Those days are long gone, I hope not forever.

I think Jim basically agrees with you ND, they tell people they want to get government off their backs as a way of accomplishing the real goal of deregulating industries that have shown time and again they do need regulation. It gives people a passion to ultimately vote against their own best interests in other areas without realizing it, in advertising it is called bait and switch.

Forrest, unfortunately the republicans have been doing a quite campaign to gain control of the states and have been doing massive damage to women's health care, not to mention their availability to a legal procedure. The obsession has risen to a fever pitch as you can see from the post on here.

Michele Bachmann also spoke at length about abortion as well as her personal relationship with faith. “I believe the government must intervene and I stand for a constitutional amendment to protect life from conception to natural death,” she said.

But, this statement from Michele screams to keep and expand social security, medicare, medicaid, health insurance for all. The first republican to acknowledge we should have rights after as well as before we are born.

But, from conception, good lord just how big is this so called small government going to be. What are you going to pregnancy test every woman able to get pregnant every month to keep control and make sure pregnant women are monitored to protect the un-born baby? I mean what if she went to another country and had an abortion? Can you prosecute her after she comes back? Many babies are spontaneously aborted called miscarriages, do you prosecute?

This is a religious belief and should never be pushed on the non-religious. That was exactly what the separation of church and state was all about. That religions should not be able to push their religious beliefs onto the masses.

Let's see the Muslims get 72 virgins, Mormons get to be God on their own planet, Christians get a mansion in the sky at the right hand of God. Do you see a pattern here?

Anybody that has raised teenagers has probably at least briefly considered a severely late term abortion, and have thought to themselves, I might have to just kill this kid.

That's the way I see it too Forrest.

Forrest, a few posts back you spoke very thoughtfully about the need for churches to put their money where their mouth is, and instead of fighting/bombing/protesting abortion clinics and passing bills requiring sonograms before abortion, they should provide free services for pregnant women. I agree, but I'd add that people of faith should also be doing what they can to help prevent unwanted pregnancies--for example, by teaching their children about birth control, by contributing to charities that provide contraception at a low cost or for free, by voting for representatives that promise to uphold funding for women's clinics that provide low-cost health care and contraception, and by not causing unwanted pregnancies themselves. It would be great to see abortion become much rarer because of better health care, education, access to contraception, etc. I always feel that pro-lifers providing crisis care for desperate pregnant woman is too little, too late. They should be fighting to provide ways to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would translate into fewer abortions.

Points well taken Bethie, people have a way of discovering sex even if it is never talked about in their home. Who in the hell really learned about sex from their parents first anyway! Providing young people with factual information, will not harm them, it won't make them immoral, and not telling them the facts will certainly not stop them from having sex, it never has. Remember folks, erections have consequences!

The American Psychological Association has rejected the idea that abortion causes mental health problems, as did Dr. Everett Koop, a Reagan appointee to the Surgeon General's post.

Actually they found that having the kid and raising it is actually far more dangerous to a women's mental health. I have seen the effects first hand on my lovely wife Lotta, Lotta Grump.

Would you bible thumpers please read the whole book. Life and the soul do not exist until the baby is born and takes its first breath. So don't blame god for your views.

Wrongo, Forrest. Teenagers are easy- they can be reasoned with. Toddlers are easy- they cannot be reasoned with, so they just get removed from the situation. Preschoolers are easy- they are beginning to reason, but you have the fallback of the "toddler solution". Five to eight year olds are a joy- its one of the "sweet spots". They are full of joy and wonder- and proud of their recently attained, shiny, hardly used, skills of self control.

Eight to twelve year olds are another ball game.

No, I never, ever thought "I might have to kill this kid".

I did think, on more than one occasion, about putting my head in the oven . .

Well like I said NJ, it is raising them that can challenge your mental health at some point, when they are all grown up you will laugh at most of it, and sometimes you will even see flashes of that 8-12 year old, in a now 25 -30 year old.

Forrest: ". . .erections have consequences." LOL! So true. . .no woman becomes pregnant by herself.

My mom NEVER talked about sex with me. The most she ever said was: "If you get pregnant, I will support you and help you." She also said, interestingly, "Sex is the glue of successful marriages." (!!!) Actually, pretty true, I think!

I have had a running dialog about sex and sex-related issues with my two daughters (both teens) for years now. Speaking of consequences, one of the recurring themes of our discussions is the particular need for girls to be careful since they bear the worst of the consequences of pre-marital or extra-marital sex: possible unwanted pregnancy, STD's, and hurt reputations. Girls who have sex are called "sluts" at school; boys are looked at as gigolos. Yes, in 2011, the double standard still exists. I encourage them to wait for a committed relationship. The pressures are so strong on them--our culture seems to encourage promiscuity. But it's a false promise, especially for women.

Abortions have been around for how long? Like just about forever. A woman is the only one that really has to man up! A child born but unloved and unwanted is a blessing? Its best everyone mind their own business.

Okay, no jo, voted, and you get extra points for funny today. I enjoyed it.

Bethie tell your daughters the truth, God gave men a pecker and a brain, but did not provide us with enough blood to properly operate them both at the same time, she will have to do the thinking for both of them at those moments.

Forrest,

Nice and direct, add a little humor into the mix, and bingo, you made your point.

Excellent!

Forrest::: I agree with your point that God gave men a pecker and a brain, but in so many cases the brain is between their legs.

I can't disagree, sometimes the little head takes over for the big head, young girls may not understand that, but most women figure that out and use it to their advantage against us, because sometimes the big head will agree to anything the little head tells it to. Sorry for being a little naughty but it is what it is, because we are what we are, I'm just being truthful.

Brianb-999431

It's so uplifting to see how liberals advocate murder. Well, it is murder ya know. I hardly ever come across a liberal that is for the unborn's rights... it's all about the mother's right to choose... Does anyone ever ask the unborn if they want to be torn to shreds like ground beef? Does the mother? Does the father? Does the doctor? Nope... we live in a society that is bound by convenience... get pregnant, no problem... one quick visit to the doctor... he whirls, he twirls, swipe, snip, snip..... and voila! The problem is gone. Tucked behind you like yesterday's news... Every weekend you can party hardy until the STD's get you.

I guess that, by your theory, you're going to have to include masturbation then too. It would be murder to spill seed designed by God for an innocent child's conception. Is that about right?

Does anyone ever ask the unborn if they want to be torn to shreds like ground beef? one quick visit to the doctor... he whirls, he twirls, swipe, snip, snip.....

Do you ever bother to get some REAL facts?

The vast majority of abortions (over 90%) are in the first trimester. No tearing to shreds, no whirling, twirling, no swiping or snipping. You take a pill, and go home. The end.

Oh, and also, FAR more miscarriages happen than abortions. Who are you gonna blame for that?

Let's put Thomas Jefferson's quote into perspective. He was referring to a central church such as the Church of England, or the Roman Catholic Church... he wasn't referring to a few dozen churches of different denominations like we have today. There is NO central church in America...

You people that quote from history, omit the history that goes along with the quote. Making points involves actualities, not fabrications.

To further my point... name the central church of The United States of America... I want to know the priest's name that's in charge of that church.

Well today it is pastor Perry who wants to bring his personal religion into the political campaign for president, the central church would be Christianity if they had their way, I never hear them sell any other religion when they are on the campaign stump, I never hear them say we should govern from a non christian perspective. People are so tired of their religious babble and the mismatch that is their policies that it is starting to work against them, with many people outside their base.

Actually, the only ones I ever hear complaining about it is liberals and democrats... Doesn't seem to bother anyone else...

That is not true, Brian, and Nathan, thanks for getting the quote right.

Jefferson knew that religious of their day were dangerous to the new Republic. He did believe exactly what he said, that they always sided (just like now with the right wing Taliban) with despots.

The right wing of that day hated Jefferson. Absolutely hated him. He was very frank in his belief of the damage that they did, and he wasn't referring to just Catholics.

Well like I said it does not sell to well outside the base, it does not sell that well with any American citizen, that is not Cristian, I went to a Catholic grade school, high school and University, and all this mixing of religion and politics, does not sell a bit with me. I don't want politics from a preacher and I don't want preaching from a politician. Although for some strange reason I think it would be fun for Michele Bachmann to hear confessions.

Brian -- To give you some perspective of Jefferson and his views I've posted a link to Fact Checks on the things said at the Fox Debate by a candidate. Scroll down and read their findings to Bachmann's statements.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/fanciful-facts-at-fox-news-debate/

Brianb, I detest it when I hear preachers talking politics. That's not what I go to church for. I was researching one church to possibly visit it, and while navigating through their website, I read their motto, which is "Love God; love people". Sounded good to me, so I decided to listen to one of their pastor's sermons. In the middle of his sermon on trusting God, he mentioned that our current representatives in Congress don't seem to be turning to the Lord for guidance as evidenced by their votes for healthcare reform. He even said these words: "Health care is not a right, it's a privilege." Needless to say, I have never darkened the doorway of that church (a mainstream denomination) for two reasons:

1. I felt they were violating the principle of separation of church and state, which incidentally, protects the church as well as the state. Churches enjoy tax-free status with the expectation that they are involved in charity, not politics.

2. The pastor's narrative didn't jive with his church's stated motto. When I met one of his church members and discussed this paradox, she (a conservative) was speechless. She really couldn't come up with any good reason that a Christian should say that only some people deserve access to health care. Moreover, she had no words of defense for her pastor who was discussing a political issue from the pulpit. She remains a member of this church still.

Many of us more liberal-minded Christians would like to see less religious talk from politicians and more ideas about how to solve the many, complex problems our country faces. We'd like to see better cooperation from our leaders. We'd like to see less talk of being a Christian and more evidence of the walk of faith through their actions and choices.

There are more than a few churches that should lose their tax free status as a result of preaching politics instead of religion from the pulpit.

Brian, a little context is in order then. The sentences immediately preceding the quote above read as follows:

I join in your reprobation of our merchants, priests, and lawyers, for their adherence to England and monarchy, in preference to their own country and its Constitution. But merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.

If he is reprobating "our priests", is he referring to a central church that does not exist, or that exists only in other nations? Likely not. Rather he is referring to the various institutions of religion and church and their tendency to adhere to traditional sources of authority, making them the natural foes of all things revolutionary.

The bit about the merchants is ancillary to this point, but he almost sounds like one of those "anti-capitalism" 99 percenters there.

Abortion is on the Teapublican agenda because it's all about raising money to campaign. It is illegal to use Federal Funds to pay for abortion care. Yet none the less brain dead Republizombies come on these boards and rant about not using their tax money to fund abortions.

The house just keeps passing no money for abortion bills even when it's already illegal. Why? Abortion is on the Teapublican agenda because it's all about raising money to campaign. It is illegal to use Federal Funds to pay for abortion care.

If you are so concerned about the future of that fetus, then protect it after it's born as much as you want to before it's born. If you were to do that you would have more than enough support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Dumba$$es.

The fact that Americans want the Federal Government to impose anything at all on its people in relation to religion and choice is a mistake. Regardless of Republican or Democrat (Republicrat).

Hope that's a good thing. But you are welcome to it.

But it's OK for the government backed abortion clinics to get involved... You know... those bastions of life generating advice... if they don't do an abortion, they don't get federal funds??? Oh, I know, the federal government doesn't pay for abortions... or so you are led to believe. Clinics receive federal funds... through their counciling and their outreach... those federal funds include money for medical equipment, supplies and salaries... who is watching.... just who?

Well done. As a man, I'm not sure I have a right to pick a side on the issue of abortion. It will always be hypothetical. If I were a woman w/ an unwanted pregnancy, maybe rape or incest, I don't think I could have an abortion. I know I'd agonize long and hard. I'd counsel with folks who's judgement I trust, maybe friends, maybe my minister. I'm sure I'd pray. The one place I would definitely NOT go for help with my delima - is - Government.

Provide non-rightwing propaganda links to the above brianb. Now if you can't find any links to this assertation... how about admitting that this is your opinion of the way YOU see it and not a general consensus...

@ Magnum Serpentine who wrote:

I agree with Cain, the decision for an Abortion is between the Woman and God and no one else which means,

Sorry to rain in your parade, but he retracted his statement. I guess for a minute he forgot that he needed to cater to the tea party, instead of the real americans...So much for his statement

Maybe you are right mike... since religion in this country started about 250 years ago, it's taken this long for people to start rejecting it outright. Once religion is completely rejected in this country, we will have finally achieved the ultimate goal... communism.

Umm...brian...every communist government has had one central faith based system that they officially recognize. Please check your facts before you start ranting about communism.

Christianity was certainly the ultimate train-wreck for the Roman Empire. Once it it was over-run with holy-rollers it became the "Holy Roman Empire"...then it collapsed.

Marxism–Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and, ultimately, elimination of religious beliefs. Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).^[7]

Tempus - you are absolutely correct... there will be one religion that will remain. Obama Worship.

8.4; which is apropos of nothing.

Can't find one in my town, but there is a Catholic orphanage in Viet-nam. They are communist aren't they, didn't we try to stop that but could not, they have a Catholic orphanage, I'm not sure if they have abortions.

Nope... that's the job for the democrats. They want cradle to grave government control over every aspect of your life.

in other words the GOP wants the rest of your life to be poor and powerless.

Especially minorities and women. The Regressive Right wants them to remain poor and powerless in this country.

Provide non-liberal links to the above hampster. I really want to see where this has been declaired or stated as an objective of the republicans. Now if you can't find any links to this assertation... how about admitting that this is your opinion of the way YOU see it and not a general consensus...

Brian: all you have to do is go to the party platform of the Republican Party to find out that what hampster says is true. Is that a conservative enough source for you?

Brianb Have you ever heard of the Good Old Boys??? I am an ex rep. and have heard enough of the likes of Bush, Newt, Rush, Hannity, Perry, Ron P, Cain. They good old white boys club is alive and well. Think Koch, Wallmart, and wallstreet bankers, hedge fund bullys, And yes this is Just My opinion...do you have one that has not been thumped into your brain...an original one ? The repbs/baggers of today are not what we had in the 90's and back. You are very angery. Your anger maybe coming from a no power position. Sorry.

Brianb just type fox news into your search engine. You will get all the links you need.

They're called The Regressive Right. They want to take back our nation to the 20's of the last century before Civil Rights existed, and before Women's Rights. Some of them want to take our nation back even further, to the 18th century Colonial Era ...of the Old World, at war with the New.

They are politically naive to the extreme, and their radical, lacking in any oversight, anarchist, theocratic ideas, are truly unworkable as it is also oppressive in scope and depth.

Its settled law only in as far as the SCOTUS hasnt taken another case that might overturn a previous decision. The right wing believes that if they can get enough very conservative justices on the court (appointed by the President and approved by the Senate) They can overturn Roe v Wade and "set America back on the right course"

Well I guess it's much better for the country to keep on murdering unborn babies. How many now? 8 million? 9? Hitler would be jealous!

Read your bible the unborn are not alive and have no soul.

R Bell

This is going on because the righties won't be happy until they can tell all of us how to live our lives.

Hanover Phist - how about explaining this verse to me if the unborn are not alive and have no soul. I mean.. since you are so steadfast in your beliefs... maybe this one escaped your attention:

Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Why don't you explain Brianb, what that quote and your question has to do with law in a secular nation?

The religious leaders of the privacy police have lied to their gullible sheep. They genuinely believe they have the power and authority to tell everyone how to live their lives.

"If you are against murder, then don't murder anyone." Be thankful the protection of human beings goes further than that.

Flex, unfortunately if this country elects a republican president and majority of congress they will have the power and authority to tell us what to do. There is no doubt that the republican party is now nothing more than the official ligislative branch of the religious dictators. They have proved repeatedly that they are ignorant and incompetent in matters of economics and world affairs so the religious zealouts are their last hope.

Enough with the social issues. The focus should be 100% jobs.

Test the DNA, please. Is the tumor its own distinct life? Whose DNA does it carry? Now how about the fetus?

AMEN........All Democrats in 2012. Throw the teabaggers overboard

True - when this country goes wobbly bits up - these people will be able to control ZIP!!!!!NADA!!! There will be more abortions - desperate times lead to desperate measures!!! It will be the law of the jungle and guess what -older fat conservative bigots and their wives...will probably NOT be number one at the food table.

The race will go to the fittest and the strongest, the most creative and the smartest amongst us...and I know I could whip that lot with one hand tied behind my back. Not all of our regressives live out in the country and have survival skills - many of them are merely suburban lawn mowing and bar-b-queing wannabee rednecks!

That would make you pro-choice....so you are absolutely in DISAGREEMENT with every Republican running for President (Cain has the only exception in the group for rape and incest, so he's being labeled "choice"). It may just be "stereotyping" to you...but these are real women Republicans want to sell out and exclude from the US Constitution.

Good lord NO RESPONSES? I guess the Pro-birthers really do care more about getting brownie points to get into heaven than they do about laws that could impact EVERYONE in Mississippi!