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Subscribe to RSSRepublicans largely cheered on Thursday the apparent killing of Libyan leader Moammar Khaddafy, though a number of the party’s standard-bearers had expressed initial criticism of President Barack Obama’s action to help remove the dictator from power.
Khaddafy’s death after having been deposed in August would seem, at first glance, to provide some measure of validation to Obama’s strategy in Libya. The president authorized the U.S. to join in limited airstikes with NATO in consultation with international partners and institutions.
That decision won him little praise from the GOP, and opposition even from members of his own party, and especially the GOP presidential hopefuls vying for Obama’s job.
Almost none of the candidates had pressed for as aggressive of a strategy as Obama pursued, joining NATO efforts to launch airstrikes targeting Khaddafy himself, and assisting Libyan rebels looking to overthrow the regime.
All of the Republicans candidates found ways to be critical of Obama at the time. But in a reflection that the GOP has shifted to an extent from its more hawkish stance during the Bush administration, few of the candidates endorsed Obama’s intervention there; only two candidates, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty – who’s no longer in the race – called for Obama to be more forceful.
But most of the other Republicans in the field might be forced to come to terms with what may be considered an ultimately successful, if extended, operation.
Republicans, particularly on Capitol Hill, were vocally critical of the intervention authorized this spring by Obama, in which U.S. troops joined NATO forces in launching a series of targeted airstrikes aimed at driving Khaddafy from power, and aiding rebel forces in Libya.
Republicans were largely – though not uniformly – critical of the intervention at the time. 225 House Republicans, joined by 70 Democrats, voted in June against a resolution authorizing the campaign against Khaddafy. But the House GOP was more split in a subsequent vote on defunding military action in Libya; 144 Republicans voted for that measure, but 89 Republicans voted against it.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who emerged as one of the foremost critics of the operations in Libya, was one such Republican to split her vote.
"President Obama has failed to articulate our goals and strategies or even provide a vital national interest in Libya,” she said in a statement following those votes. At the same time, in a June presidential debate, Bachmann accused Obama of “not leading” when it came to international policy toward Libya.
She was joined by other candidates in the field in opposition to the strikes against Libya.
Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said the intervention was “not core to our national security interest,” and argued the U.S. should let the situation “play out.”
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich had advocated establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, but said after Obama launched the effort that he would have not intervened.
And Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a dogged critic of most U.S. intervention, had similarly opposed the intervention in Libya.
Ironically, it was the three candidates who lead in current polling – former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry –with the most scant records on the Libyan intervention.
Romney in particular sought to thread the needle, carefully voicing support for the military action in Libya, while sharply criticizing Obama, accusing him of “leading from behind” when it came to the intervention by following the lead of other countries and international bodies like the United Nations.
And Cain condemned Obama for lacking clarity in the president’s approach toward Libya and Syria, but stopped short of voicing opposition to the airstrikes in Libya.
“We need a real clear national security strategy with every nation on the planet, friend or foe. We obviously didn’t have that, because you can see between those two examples [Syria and Libya] inconsistencies between the president’s decision, and in his action,” he said at a debate in May.
And Perry wasn’t even a candidate when Obama first launched the airstrikes; he enjoys the luxury of not having any real criticism in the past against which he’ll be measured.
Virtually all Republicans, even those who were critical of Obama’s initial intervention, celebrated Khaddafy’s killing on Thursday.
"It's about time. Khaddafy, a terrible tyrant, that killed his own people, and murdered Americans and others in the tragedy in Lockerbie. The world is a better place with Khaddafy gone,” Romney said following a town hall meeting in Iowa, per NBC’s Garrett Haake and Alex Moe.
But the question of whether Obama deserves credit (Romney avoided a question in Iowa about whether Obama does) could be the way in which candidates now distinguish themselves from Obama. And beyond that, they’ll keep the pressure on Obama about how he handles the situation going forward.
“The United States should work closely with Libya to ensure the transition is successful, and that a stable, peaceful nation emerges," Perry said in a statement hailing Khaddafy’s death. “The U.S. must also take an active role in ensuring the security of any remaining stockpiles of Qaddafi's weapons. These weapons pose a real danger to the United States and our allies, and we cannot help secure them through simple observation.”
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Yawn
And this is your side's leading candidate --
Looks to me like "leading from behind" worked.
So I wonder what Mitt will say about it now.
Most probably that President Obama had nothing to do with it.
Wait for it.
Romney is REALLY lucky that he has no shame. If he did, he'd be feeling really down right now. I mean, not only was he wrong, he was completely and totally wrong.
AM
Wait for it.
As soon as they finish pissing in their pants, they'll definitely come up with something smelling like their pee. We've been there before with OBL's death.
any way bam bam can get another peace prize?
Barry's got bigger troubles.... Louis Farrakan was a friend of Kaddaffy as was Jerimiah Wright. Farrakan has come out and called Obama a murderer... Now dems bigs troubles for Obama....
If Obama walked on water, the right wingers would claim he can't swim.
If Obama rose to Heaven on a golden cloud, the right wingers would claim unfair favoritism and say that it was simply ostentatious posing.
If Obama went to Skid Row and spent a long day helping in the soup kitchen serving line, right wingers would say he was currying the favor of the homeless for their votes when he should have stayed in the White House keeping quiet about getting a jobs bill passed.
President Obama wisely chose a low-key but essential course for the United States in the Libyan intervention. He avoided many potential traps and properly let the nations with far more historic interests in that country take the visible lead roles. He wisely found a means to get the Arab League to endorse the intervention, and at least one Middle Eastern state, Oman, to send aircraft to participate.
This is the kind of subtlety and awareness necessary in an American President. It is most certainly not evident in any of the current Republican candidates for nomination to run against President Obama.
And those GOP candidates are not doing so well in their own sink-or-swim political situation right now, they have rain clouds in sight and most certainly not an ascension, while nary a one of them could even find Skid Row, much less the soup kitchens. That is especially too declasse for them.
Brianb-999431
Naaa......your sorry ass only wished.
Brianblotasnumbers....Seem to recall the Pres REPUDIATING Farrakan and Wright...Unlike your teabag idol Perry and his preacher friend...Pleaase return to the bottom of the gene pool with the rest of the connie cockroaches.
Brian - If that is the best you have you should just give up.
You are truly pathetic.
All of our right wing friends will do the honest thing and congratulate the President for his good judgment. That is what patriots do.
Actually nisl the pathetic ones worship a politician. Your life must be really bad if you spend your time praising and uplifting someone that is stealing from you... Someone that doesn't even know who you are or even that you exist. Now that's pathetic. To spend your time defending a person that is fundamentally changing the country our distant relatives fought to defend and protect the freedoms we are supposed to be enjoying. You don't even know the person you are uplifting... talk about pathetic. It is utterly sad
Is it just me, or does everybody think the United Nations sucks?
Gaddafi waltzes into the United Nations ("diplomatic immunity"), makes his stupid speech, returns free as a bird to Libya, and then the entire free world blows $billions a day to take him out. What a joke.
I wish Fox Noise would control their idiots so we wouldn't have to deal with fools like brian 999 whatever....
In this case you're right. In the case of Bin Laden... :)
Ahhhhh... the sweet sweet feeling of a collapse. Libbies want to shut down any opposition to their thinking. Oh the little nazi's.
Collapse all of them. A collapse to me is a badge of honor! Libbies only defense is to do what they can to shut down any voice that is in opposition to theirs... collapse away cowards.
That's right draino - blame it on Fox. It's your only intelligent choice of put downs. Well... not so intelligent since I don't watch TV. But you didn't know that did you? How could you... you only ASSume because you have no better defense.
The only people who ever talk about worship and Obama in the same sentence are teapubs.
Sounds like something we should be saying to the teapubs about the corporate elite. Obama hasn't done that at all, don't know wtf you are talking about.
@brianb999whatever......I think its clear to most people that you don't watch tv, read a paper, or even listen to the news, its a perfect explanation for your astounding ignorance....
This is a little off topic, but I believe you shouldn't say something on a blog that you wouldn't say to someone right in the face. I am sick of hearing 'right wingers', 'left-wingers' 'Faux Noise', 'tea baggers', 'democRats', and 'rePuglicans' on blogs, TV, and in the news. I really wish people would just respect that the other side has other opinions, even if they think the other guys opinions are stupd or unfair. I'd like to see a return to politics where people disagreed professionally but didn't take it personally.
Come on draino - you can do much better than that. It's completely fitting that liberals attack... they are on the losing end of everything. Liberals enslave the entitlement class (lower classes) by giving them government hand outs... liberals advocate assassination, but not the death penalty... or is it the death penalty and assassination? Actually I believe you are confused and silly life forms.
Aside from the last GOP/TP debate falling well beneath the office of POTUS and leader of the free world, which of these candidates (except Huntsman) have any foreign policy experience?
It's bad enough that after the 2008 election Teapublicans united to defeat the president and Dems in any way they can think of, even to the extent of rejecting their own legislation and ideas. I'm always amazed at the immense resources Teapublicans put into plotting and conniving rather than doing the actual work of governing.
Teapublicans have the largest majority in the House in history, and if you count Blue Dogs like Nelson and Tester (throw in Lieberman for good measure) Teapublicans have a majority in the Senate too. Why aren't their constituents, including conservatives, holding them responsible for the economy at least since the 2010 election? (Really since the Bush wars, tax cuts, etc. have continued uninterrupted to date, it's been a Republican economy all along.)
Why aren't Americans holding Teapublicans responsible for throwing the country under the bus? Come on, it's obvious, any improvement in the economy, and especially in unemployment is not to their favor. Of course they are letting Americans suffer for their own political gain -- no one could be so naive to think otherwise. But how despicable, even diabolical is that?
These Teapublican douche-bags have nothing, NOTHING to criticize, most of all President Obama's foreign policy record. Now stop with the lies, distractions, and abortion legislation and represent the American people!
I'm going to take this comment seriously enough to speak to it - granting, as it were, the presumption of innocence rather than malevolence:
It would be impossible for nations to function alongside each other, with or without the presence of the relatively new institution of the United Nations, without a general agreement about diplomats, "diplomatic immunity," and general rules of behavior on "neutral ground."
There have been occasions in history when such agreements were shockingly broken - as, for example, when Ottoman courts slaughtered emissaries and sent the heads back as a message to the Balkan princes who had dispatched them. That led to 25,000 bodies of captured Turkish soldieers decorating the roads leading toward today's Romania, impaled on sharpened stakes, left by command of Count Vlad Drakul (we know him as Dracula).
It also led to practically the complete destruction of a Native American trible shortly after the Civil War when a peace meeting with an American general sent to protect the tribesmen from rapacious white settlers in Oregon went terribly wrong. The general was murdered. The white settlers went on a rampage of revenge.
There are times when the international community refuses to offer the protections of statesmanship to notorious leaders. Some dare not travel through certain countries because there will be an arrest.
But in the matter of the United Nations, heads of state attending the annual gatherings are immune from violence by their enemies, or by the various national and international courts of law that might wish to lay hands upon them.
When Ghaddaffi came to New York and spouted his inanity, the world was well-served by that immunity. Everyone got a perfectly clear picture of a maniac - and thus so many were prepared to assist the Libyan people in putting him away.
Now, as a separate topic, while I don't necessarily agree with many U.N. policies or actions, as a whole that institution does much good and is an essential feature of our world. Remember, the official name of the alliance that broke the Nazis in Europe and Imperial Japan in the Pacific was the "United Nations." The institution was birthed on the decks of a cruiser in the North Atlantic by midwives Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Once again the GOP/TP is made to look foolish with their petty, selfish, greedy little kindergarten games, while the leader of the free world is handling business for the betterment of everyone on the world stage.
These other countries and leaders must look at the GOP/TP with pity and disgust.
Ahuizotl-- I agree with you to some extent. I usually use "Teapublican" because it's easier and accurate, and for awhile I stopped using "Teabagger" but since the Tea Party started that term, I don't see why I shouldn't use it too (and I do say it to their faces).
In regard to FAUX Noise, in case you are unaware, they had to drop their "fair and balanced" slogan for a reason. To refer to them as a legitimate news organization when they are not is something I'm not going to do.
Right-wing lies are repeated, and sure enough these lies become truth for people. In the last debate in Vegas, CNN's Anderson Cooper slipped and asked this:
Cooper had to retract this question later. Because everyone pays sales taxes, and even the working poor pay payroll taxes, and other such taxes and fees. Furthermore, the 47% include not only those who's write-offs (e.g, the $1,000 tax credit per child) allows them to pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAX because they earn so little, but also well-to-do self-employed/business owners who file as individuals that use write-offs to show zero income (doctors, lawyers, etc.) on up to the richest 1% who pay only 15% on capital gains, which is the majority of their income. As for the unemployed, well that's obvious, though some along with some Social Security recipients pay taxes on benefits too.
We must remain vigilant against "catapulting the propaganda" if we are to operate on facts--In other words, if telling it like it really is offends some people, then too bad.
I also admit to "name-calling" but I do so with purpose, not just vitriol. For example, Joe Walsh is a douche-bag because he is one, Grover Norquist is a dweeb because he is one, Karl Rove is a worm because he is one, Michele Bachmann is batsh!t crazy because she is, and so forth -- get it? It's only slander if it's not true.
What, exactly, did the last dumb ass accomplish? "Smoke em out" and Wanted, Dead or Alive." Pure bull@!$%# is what he did. We have a $2T debt, 4400 dead service members and------. Come one Rethugs--where's the love for the President?
YES YES YES ... lets just compare the dollars spent under Bush Administration to remove Sadam Hussein and attempt removal of Osama Bin Laden to the dollars spent under this administration to actually remove OBL and Gadhafi.
Odd isn't it? GOP is always claiming to be the ones strong on military and wise on spending. It appears this go around, it is the DEMS taking credit for these qualities while the GOP seems to have left military issues incomplete and spent much more money.
(LAUGHING!!!!!!!!) I am so happy this President DID NOT listen to the NEO-CONS on anything about HOW TO FIGHT A WAR INTELLIGENTLY, in fact, that could be a title for Obama's next book. LISTEN: Their just pissed that it took "A ONE BLACK MAN TEAM" to get these wars under control. (LAUGHING!!!!!!) The Republicans look like a bunch of white men standing around CIRCLE JERKING EACH OTHER, after News reported that Gadhafi was killed and not one American Soldier lost their life. Let me ask you all, after you watched the Republican Debate Tuesday, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK ANY OF THOSE STOOGES could have done what OBAMA has done so far in two and a half years of his term as PRESIDENT???? How PRESIDENT was Mitt Romney when Perry was nipping at his heels, ...... in a whimpy voice, "ANDERSON!!!". Everyone of those CLOWNS on that stage tried to tell PRESIDENT OBAMA how to do HIS JOB. THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR BEING MY PRESIDENT!!!! Now I wished, I was half BLACK MAN, because after BUSH, I was ashamed to be white. OBAMA IS MY WINNING HORSE!!
This bunch couldn't give President Obama credit if he single handily cured cancer!
This type of rhetoric only confirms it...
PS: Has anyone clued bat @!$%# crazy Bachmann onto the FACT Libya is part of Africa yet?
Obama has been the most successful President in matters of foreign policy since Roosevelt.
The Republicans will, no doubt, try to trump up a rationale that paints this as a victory for Dubya. Most of us will laugh at it, but the GOP base will nod along like they always do.
PS - Who cares about what Michelle "Crazy-Pants" Bachman or Herman Cain say? They have about the same chance of winning the GOP primaries as Michael Moore.
Another bad guy gone from the face of the earth, and the GOP criticizes?
Awwwww G'wan, git outta here........
ROFLMAO!!! You libbies are so funny! You wouldn't say anything negative about Obama even if his stormtroopers busted into your house and arrested everyone in your family. You'd find some excuse to blame yourselves and give him kudo's.
Successful? You have to be joking, right? If you aren't, you don't know history.
If Obama single-handedly cured cancer... I'd want to know what his motivation was. It certainly wouldn't be for the betterment of mankind. Narcissists don't do anything unless it's for themselves first.
All i know feisty, we would be alot of money Ahead if we would have taken this approach in afgan or iraq. but bush get a hard on sending men to die for there country.
Brian #'s in his first term Obama has removed from power 2 outlaws that this country has chased for decades, spent trillions fighting, and lost thousands of American lives pursuing. Nothing funny about that Brian, quite impressive would be a more accurate description, which you and I and everyone else knows, so do everyone, yourself included a favor and STFU.
Fiesty since reports are that Qaddafi was captured and then killed does Barry still take credit. I mean you sheeples not liking the death penality I don't know if I should congradulate Barry on this murder or not, lmao "popcorn" :)
Absolutely Jeff... it was Bush's goal to kill as many Americans as he could.
Idiot!
w bush - is this the libbie way? To deprive anyone that disagrees with you freedom of speech? My how nazi of you!
The libbies will be advocating waterboarding too. Or isn't murder enough for you? For bleeding hearts to rejoice in murder is very telling... very telling indeed.
BTW libtards.... did Obama pull the trigger himself, or is he like Vito Corleone and ordered the hit? Obama is a wuss. Sitting comfortably behind his big desk telling others to do the wet work.
Hey Feisty, I am on record here, several months ago, stating that if President Obama single handedly cured cancer I would most surely vote for him for any office that he ran for.
I will also toss in walking on water. If he did that I would vote for him.
Yeah, curing cancer and walking on water. No doubt I'd vote for him.
So quit saying things like that.
Don't forget the 'Dick' oh wait... the old dude hasn't has a hard on in years... the 'pump' can't push the blood flow that far! ;o)
As you can see Jeff - being successful without loss of ONE human life & the savings of 999 billions dollars is driving the right wing nuts positively insane!
Time for some *popcorn* if you ask me - this pity party on the right is just beginning... lmao
Pssst... I'll say what ever I damn well please - whotf died and left YOU in charge? Go home & try to dominate the wife - it doesn't work on me!
Talk about sour grapes from the right. They know that this is a big f.....g deal and that's why they're crying right now.
Fiesty--- I can't eat *popcorn right now because I can't quit laughing at these fools.
Once again, the teabaggers try to portray the president as a narcissist, yet all he's shown so far is humility, a spirit of congratulations to the Libyans, and a gratefulness toward the US servicemembers who worked hard and risked their own lives to help Libya in its time of need.
And the teabaggers wonder why nobody takes them seriously...
Brian: I don't know you, but based on your last few posts you seem to have an overly opinionated and distorted view of the world. Someday you might realize that you aren't right about everything. that you are generalizing issues and marginalizing those who disagree with you to the point of being ridiculous.
- Obama isn't a "Wuss," he is the President of your country. Like it or not, he represents you.
- The names "libtards" and libbies" are childish, combative, and don't serve any purpose.
- Do you really think any President has ever shot a foreign leader or terrorist themselves? Hasn't happened. They all sit behind desks.
- Storm troopers? Really? Obama has storm troopers? And they are bursting into people's homes? Where are they? Can you find even one example of this?
- Narcissistic? Because he can speak effectively? Name one thing he has done that is even slightly more narcissistic than any other politician? Pretty sure ALL OF THEM get on tv and have to share their opinions about everything. He is the President, his opinion matters.
Hopefully you are able to move past the names, baseless generalizations, and zero substance allegations that you have used thus far.
**stands and applauds!**
Well done, Jack, and thank you for writing a most effective post!
I'm falling in love with you Feisty.
Brianb-999431
Absolutely Jeff... it was Bush's goal to kill as many Americans as he could.
Idiot!
what i was trying to say is, reagan or clinton would never have invaded Iraq or went into afgan. they would have done what Obama did and that leave it up to those who live there to get him out. or have the CIA do it like in the past.
Hey Jack Colton,
Think you could dissect a few of Feisty, New Day Dawnings, bev or Drive by's posts for similiar issues?
Think you may find similiar egregious issues.
Or does your analysis onloy go one way?
Here Jack I'll help you:
Feisty: PS: Has anyone clued bat @!$%# crazy Bachmann
You really ought to take your self important butt back to the Dew Drop Inn where your friends can tell you how great you are.
Why, WCA: how you do flatter me! Why everyone knows I am the soul of propriety. My goodness, what a reaction to an excellent post!
"Think you could dissect a few of Feisty, New Day Dawnings, bev or Drive by's posts for similiar issues?"
Yes, Jack- but prefface them with "bu.. bu... but YOU guys..."
Have I told you how cute you are when you ooze envy out of your every pore?
Not good enough for the GOP.
The rub will be that this did not happen soon enough.
That will come from John McCain and Lindsay Graham.
The other Teapublicans will say that the President has to kill many more
Terrorists before they believe he is serious about it.
Meantime they will go back to bashing and name calling:
Socialist, Marxist, Leninist, Kenyan, Indonesian, Muslim, High School Drop out.
Ahem...get in line.... ;)
White Collar: Anyone, of either persuasion, who is posting nonsense names and completely baseless "facts" either needs to learn to present their argument correctly or stop talking about things they have no clue about.
Arguing the surface of an issue is about as substantive as watching two old people fight over a remote control.
I singled out Brian because the points he was making were the most general and baseless of all of them. Calling people "libtards," the president a "wuss," rambling on about him being behind a desk, and having "storm troopers" is a lot like generally saying "all black people are criminals, women can't drive, poor people aren't trying, fat people eat too much."
If you can't back up a point of view with reasoning, then don't put it out there. There is merit to the fundamental differences between Republicans and Democrats, and, most of the time, there is a reason people feel the way they do. Just because their reasons don't apply in your life doesn't make them wrong. Keypoint there = have reasoning to back up your viewpoints.
"You want to know why we have Arab Spring? Barack Obama has laid the table for the Arab Spring by demonstrating weakness from the United States of America." - Michele Bachmann, 9/29/2011
She must be pretty pissed today.
I don't know if she is pissed so much as confused. Even more so than usual. I doubt your could track the movements of her eyeballs with a supercomputer.
By now somebody must have blown her mind by telling her what continent Libya resides in (Africa! whocouldaknownit?). And now she will find out that Obama, as usual, was totally right while she, as usual, was gibbering nonsense.
Wow! Libtards advocating the murder of heads of state.... what is becoming of this world. Before you know it, they will actually praise Bush for Saddam's death.... What? Did I say that? What was I thinking? ONLY Obama can do anything right in the libtards mind... anyone else... is way below the human scale.
Brian- we get it already.
You approve of coddling terrorists.
Not sure why, but it's ok. You are allowed.
Drive by - It seems obvious that Republicans and their half-wit apologists like Brian hate America.
Just today Marco Rubio insulted the US military while thanking the French military. Given the GOP's history of commentary on the French, the obvious conclusion is that they would rather America be destroyed than led by a competent person.
And as to Brian, ignore him. He obviously lives on a diet of paint chips and paste. Leave him alone and let him stew in his own ignorance and hatred.
Brian careful they are now saying Qaddafi was captured then killed (murdered) and you know how easy it is to hurt the little moonbats feelings. That would make Barry, Judge Jury and Executioner and you know how the moonbats are sensitive about the death penality, lmao 'popcorn" :)
There is a difference between being killed in battle (Gaddafi, bin Laden) and being captured and turned over to a kangaroo court (Saddam).
Even the village idiot is smart enough to know this. What's your excuse?
So let me get this straight, Bob. First you guys accuse the President of trying to take undeserved credit for this victory in Libya... And then you turn around and say that the President is 100% responsible for killing Gadhaffi?
Dude, pick a spin and stick with it.
Okay, first he's criticized for not having enough of a military presence in Libya and then he's criticized for having too much military presence in Libya. I wish y'all would get your story straight!
Watched the video, he was bloodied, but alive.
Actually libbies - you spend your time praising Obama for nothing. If a republican had done the same thing, and those on the right were doing what you are doing... you'd be doing what we are doing... minimizing the event. When Saddam Hussein was captured, libby land did their utmost to downplay it. They did everything in their power to put Bush down... What difference is there now? The death of Kaddafy and the death of Hussein are not testiments to who is in charge in this country. Both needed to be put away and the job was done. Period. It does not make our leadership any better in either instance. The world is rid of terrorist leaders and that's a good thing for the world.
Stop dancing in the street. Obama did nothing, the same as Bush did nothing to capture Saddam.
Brianb--- Maybe you should quit while you're behind. Way way behind, and on the far far right side which in this case and as usual is the wrong wrong side.
Take a break. It sounds like you need one or is this your job to write this drivel? In that case, carry on.
Tom - who says I'm on the wrong side? YOU? That's a laugh... another libbie trying to impose their will on someone else. You guys just don't get it do you? Liberals try to shut their opposition down or tell the right that they are wrong.
Being on the right, I couldn't care less what you believe... if you were to believe in golden goblins that dance on strings of light... that's your choice. Period... Now stop trying to impose your will on me and others... It really makes you look foolish when you do that.
Uhh "Brian", Dubbya did plenty to capture Saddam - to the tune of a trillion dollars, thousands of lives and lies to the American people. We get that you don't like Obama and didn't and won't vote him, and we're okay with that.
We would rather however, that you display just the smallest amount of common sense. On the other hand, my grandmother used to say to me all the time "the problem with common sense is it's often not so common."
No Toasty what I was telling Brian was to be careful with your touchy feelings about the death penality, As far as Barry getting credit or not I was totally leaving that to you moonbats, because it has to be almost perfect for Barry to take credit. And just like I suspected you got all huffy we me in my comment to Brian, not you, but thats ok you are a moonbat and I am taking that into consideration. And in Brian's last quote he stated the moonbat reaction correctly except the part where Hussien is not dead until Barry gets credit. I think possibly Brian forgot about Barry being the killing machine that he is. lmao "popcorn" :)
"If a republican had done the same thing, and those on the right were doing what you are doing... you'd be doing what we are doing... minimizing the event."
Well, at least you admit to your hypocrisy.
I give you credit.
I think it is time to back off Brianbandnumbers, He has gotten so excited he is now arguing with himself. First he tell everone to shut up and then tells everyone they can not tell everyone to shut up, I think anyway he is close to stroking out so give him a timeout to recover. He needs to reload nazi into the dialog then he will be ok.
Season's definition of excitment is telling others what they are supposed to think. It would be great if Season would quote one of my posts where I told any libbie to shut up.
Come on Season... go back... copy and paste the post where I told anyone to shut up. Put the post number next to it. I want to see it.
You see - since I didn't say that anywhere, Season has to make things up. Season is hoping that others will actually believe what is said by a known liar and spin doctor. Such is the way of liberals. First they want to shut you down... then they tell you to STFU... then when all else fails, they lie about you. They wonder why those on the right call them nazi's. They act just like them. It seems to be a pretty common trait too. Several different libs have tried this during the course of the day... I rest my case.
Don't just rest your case, just take a rest, calm down and quit acting like such an a..hole. Jeeez.
Who is getting the job done while they blab? Visionary, Barrack Hussein Obama. Foreign policy in the bag signed and delivered.
Obama/Biden 2012
Furthermore, it shows what Obama can accomplish without the obstructionist congress!
That's right Judyaz... Obama did it without the approval of Congress... From what I recall, you said Bush did the same thing... only problem is... in Bush's case it wasn't true. Obama did it incorrectly... no congressional oversight and that's a violation of the Constitution.
Now if that doesn't stir up the libbies.. nothing will.
Brian - The constitution??? Stop ignoring your teacher and bothering us, your lack of knowledge of civics and government is astounding for someone who is trying to pass himself off as an American. There is no constitutional provision for assisting your allies, what does exist is the War Powers Act, which has never been constitutionally tested. Besides, congress had its opportunity to pull funding for this and didn't, in large part because your guys in congress went along with it. Just getting on here and harping to harp and see your name online isn't doing anything to convince people here that you are worthy of the space and air that you consume.
Amused, Brian thinks Obama sent troops into Libya and we took out their idiot leader and therefore declared war without the approval of congress. You need to remember he is not well and gets confused quickly without his meds. Its clear he did not remember them today.
Told you it would stir up the libbies. Those bastions of Constitutional knowledge. Libbies think that a military action only involves troops. They have no concept of munitions, armament, weapons aircraft, or US assets. I guess the CIA doesn't count either. A military action doesn't always include ground troops... but you can't tell a libbie anything they don't already know.... think they know.
Less than 48 hours ago, various GOP candidates stood on the stage and declared the US should defund the UN, should withdraw all foreign aid from every country, criticized President Obama for his foreign policy strategy and his actions in Libya and Uganda, blah blah. Today, Romney and Perry issued statements hailing the death of Khaddafy as important and that the US should do everything it can to ensure a stable transition of the Libyan government to a peaceful and prosperous one. No doubt the others will follow soon. In other words, what they said Tuesday night should be dismissed because.... Flip, flop.
Jody you poor misinformed moonbat who can't comprehend what you have seen. That is exactly what they meant by defunding the UN. The death of Gadaffi is important but please get your liberal head out of your azz and understand that now that has been accomplished the last thing they want is the UN to screw it up like they have everything else in the past 50 years. In other words praising the death of Gadaffi does constitute that the UN can support a sucessful transition to democracy you idiot.
Why the name calling Bob? I couldn't understand the rest of your drivel. What your plutocratic idols want has nothing to do with the UN, it has everything to do with getting their hands on the oil profits of Libya. As we all fully understand Profit is the only thing you folks understand or care about.
No wonder you don't understand my drivel as you call it, amused, you don't know who did what to who, or who supports what. First of all Barry and the boys supported the freedom fighters in Libya along with the UN without Congressional approval, still with me, can you remember. So who are you saying wanted the oil profits Barry and the boys, the Republican Congress objected to the US getting involved so they didn't do anything for oil profits, are you hanging in there with me or are you picking your nose and amusing yourself. And maybe I have it all wrong maybe you are a pseudo liberal and were serious about Barry wanting the oil profits. Maybe now you can understand why I lose patients with you moonbats you're all over the place flying blind.
I wonder if Dick and Liz Cheney are going to apologize to President Obama for saying that he will be weak in the face of our enemies?
Also, as far as Weathervane Willard Romney's "leading from behind" comments, I guess he would know. The basic fact that Willard has taken ten different positions on any given issues based on which direction the wind is blowing makes him the poster child for "leading from behind."
On the whole, I rather think not. They're among the ones most likely to be ticked off because keeping this bogeyman alive served their personal interests.
Just like Osama bin Laden.
"I wonder if Dick and Liz Cheney are going to apologize to President Obama for saying that he will be weak in the face of our enemies?"
No. Dick and Liz Cheney will ask Obama to apologize to THEM for stealing Dick and Dumbya's thunder, when it was obviously THEIR hard work and preparation that allowed this to take place, doncha know?
"Dithering" just got a whole new meaning in the dictionary
dither: to calmly assess a situation and take the most effective course of action which results in success.
Cheney the man literally without a heart and you think he would apologize to anyone? Torture, attacking Iraq based on lies with faux leading the charge. The death and misery he has caused hundreds of thousands of people, he has never apologized for anything.
Willard just a new republican puppet. Open mouth insert republican corporate talking point to gain the favor of those on the far right.
So Al are the claims about Iran wanting to assasinate the Saudi on American soil all fabricated as some people say, or is it true which means that Iran is bolder than ever and unafraid of Barry or America, which is a sign of weakness. By the way Al when Barry went into the compound in Pakistan and killed Bin Laden why did he leave the stealth technology behind because Dubya would have destroyed the helicopter. Last but not least Big Al if Qaddafi was captured alive and then killed (murdered) does Barry take credit or not? lmao "popcorn" :)
When you come up for air from all that popcorn you're stuffing, could you tell me what it feels like to live in a world of misinformation and lies?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-helicopter-idUSTRE7427G420110503
Do you think that fosters good decisionmaking, or makes you in any way credible?
Do you think that's a bigger sign of boldness on Iran's part and weakness on ours than when Ronald Reagan was dealing with Iran directly -- AND illegally?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair
Hey Bob, when you put the bottle down (or crack pipe, whatever the case may be), you will realize that by invading Iraq and setting up a government there that has Iranian 5th columists like Al Sadr in it, Bush, despite all his bluster made Iraq stonger than ever. All Obama has done is take down the 9-11 terrorist, the Lockerbie terrorist, the terrorist who bombed the embassy in Kenya and decapited the underwear bombers terrorist network while you cry and pout about it.
Iran boldly planning an attack on US soil is not a sign of weakness on President Obama's part, it is a sign of stupidity on Iran's. Did the US not find out about it before it happened? Sounds like the US has a pretty strong defense against those types of plans.
Weak try at spin, there, Booby Jones.
Al I would have to smoke a bag and drink a case of beer to be as screwed up as you moonbats are stone cold sober. I didn't say anything about Iraq, I quess you didn't know that the Navy SEALS that killed Bin Laden and Barry took credit for flew there in helicopters with steallth technology, I know I've lost you, but one of the helicopters was left without being destroyed. Later the Pakistani's allowed the Russians and Chinese to take pictures of the technology. Since Barry is taking credit he gets credit for leaving the helicopter which Dubya would have destroyed. And yes Mr. and Mrs. Cheney and the Iranian president think Barry is weak otherwise if the Iranian's thought we would kick their azz they wouldn't have planned the assassination. As the Iranian president stated Barry did it to take the focus off the economy, who would I tend to believe the Iranian president. The unemployment is above 9%, lie. GITMO is still open, lie. We are still in Iraq and Afganistan, lie. So that pretty much makes Barry a lier for now but not for long.
Oh yes, the extrememly effective moonbat defense. We just should give it all up Bob has the answers.
How does the unemployment rate make our President a liar? The economist recently announced that our economy was twice as bad as we thought it was when Obama became president. Does that make the economist liars because they didn't know how bad it was at the time?
You always forget that GITMO is still open because republicans voted to keep it open. How is it President Obama's fault on how republicans vote? Obama is President not King.
We are going to be totally out of Iraq by December 2011. There was some chance of lingering but they announced the other day no more military and closing the huge bases.
Anything to lie about Obama, huh Bob?
He moonbats first not Americans First, because I am an American and you don't give a crap about me, only my money.
The unemployment numbers make him a liar because he guaranteed the 800 billion stimulus would keep the unemployment rate below 8%, it didn't. He lied or he and his advisors don't know what there talking about, or both.
He said he would close GITMO if was elected President, He didn't say anything about the Republicans, by the way for two years he had a democrat House and Senate. If he couldn't close GITMO under those circumstances he is either a liar or a failure, or both.
He promised we would be out of Iraq and Afganistan we are not going to be out of Afganistan and will have to wait and see about Iraq, and for an unexperienced President he went all in and said completely out of both countries. I am calling him a liar and a failure because I am a Logistics Engineer and know it is physically impossible to move all the troops out of Iraq by the end of the year. That includes using every C-130, C-141, C-5 and C-17. Sorry moonbats first but your President is liar and a failure.
Bob Jones, your rank stupidity is quite evident in your post.
1) No one guaranteed the unemployment rate would stay below 8% if the stimulus was passed. That has been debunked over, and over, and over, and . . . well, you get the idea. They projected that unemployment should stay below 8% based on the numbers they had, It was also based on their original proposal that had fewer tax breaks for the rich, and more actual job creating proposals. It was also based on a stimulus of over $1 trillion, not the $700 billion the Republicans forced it to be cut down to so that he could get some of their votes.
2) There has never been a filibuster proof Senate during any of President Obama's administration. In the first year that the Democrats held both houses of congress, the Republicans used the filibuster more times that it had been used for the entire previous history of this country.
3) So, you are privy to how many troops, and equipment are currently in Iraq? You do realize that all of the combat troops left many months ago, right? You do realize that there is less than 25% of the highest number of troops that were ever in Iraq, left in Iraq, right?
You? A logistics engineer? I doubt that, just from your grammar and spelling. It also requires logic to do that job, and, judging from your post, you don't have the requisite skills.
It's jsut like when BinLaden left us --- the free world is celebrating while terrorist and Republicans are whining.
"... the free world is celebrating while terrorist and Republicans are whining."
HEAR! HEAR!
DBO
Over 20 posts already on this topic and you can see anything from the NUTS.
Where are they?
I dunno, PEN- I'd have thougth I'd at least have seen 'telepropter' or 'Bill Ayres' or 'Kenya' by now...
Pen - I think they are mourning the death of their credibility on foreign policy.
Not that they ever had any. They sure did like to pretend they did though.
Still, I'm sure they'll be here eventually to inform us that this is NOT a victory for Obama because Obama never donned a codpiece and flight suit for a photo op.
nisl
because Obama never donned a codpiece and flight suit for a photo op.
Do you mean like BUSHED did in "Mission Accomplished"
Of course republicans are upset. Republicans do love them a boogy-man and President Obama just assisted another country in getting rid of a bad one.
What good is a color coded terror alert if you don't have a terrorist like OBL to scare them with?
Pen - Exactly
Did anyone catch Marco Rubio this morning saying the US doesn't deserve credit, the French do?
I'm gobsmacked. One of the "rising stars" of the Republican Party is pumping up the French military and insulting the US military...
The Republicans have lost their freakin' minds!
I can see it now:
"Rubio has been palin' around with *gasp* the French".
They are waiting for Rush to spin this news before responding.
[...because Obama never donned a codpiece and flight suit for a photo op.]
Ahh yes...Chimpy McFlightSuit...aka Captain Codpiece...
*licked finger and raised it in the air to see which way the political winds are blowing* =
Mitt Romney's political strategy
Well, Mitt--
It appears that 'leading from behind' is better than talking out of your behind.
Why on earth does anyone give a **** what republicans think on anything. They're incompetent and they're stupid. Romney among them.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/10/a-tale-of-two-presidents.html
A reader writes: A TALE OF TWO PRESIDENTS
Bush and Saddam - One Trillion dollars and thousands of US lives.
Obama and Qaddafi - One Billion dollars and zero US lives.
And this time, the Arab world loves us as well.
To rid the world of Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki and Moammar Qaddafi within six months...
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What a difference. Sad & Pathetic.
and Priceless!
Thanks to the leadership of President Obama, another terrorist with the blood of hundreds of Americans on his hands is dead. Doesn't it make you sleep better knowing this? Sweet dreams :-).
Yep -- some people TALK about getting terrorist, get all dressed up and prance around, run their yaps, thump in their chest, tell us "mission accomplished' whole others quietly DELIVER.
Not one of these GOP candidates had it right, NOT ONE. Bottom line, they're not qualified to be President. Bachman didn't even know Libya was in Africa. F...ing moron.
Oh come on now, that is uncalled for.
Why do you have to go insulting morons like that?
There are throngs of unkempt people in public squares. A rag-tag group, exhausted but still showing signs of exuberance. They have many different objectives and demands. Each capable of peace, each capable of rioting, all wanting more than what they have. They have this in common, they look to the United States government for help.
Oh, and something happened in Libya too.
I'll give you this mitchj, you are far kinder to the OWS crowd than the shill radio personality "Dr." Michael Savage.
That guy is a hoot to listen too. "Obama...Socialism...Marxism...Buy my book." What a hack.
Isn't that what they were saying about the Lybian Rebels a few short months ago? "Rag Tag", "unorganized", "no clear plan" etc.? Well, they WON!
obviously, Qaddafi was a millionaire or billionaire
Watch for Black Helicopters, mitch.
He paid no tax, that explains a lot.
I can't believe the righties aren't unanimous in their praise of Moamar getting whacked. I mean, he DID pray to the WRONG God, right?
[Watch for Black Helicopters, mitch.]
Yeah, the tracking chip "they" placed behind his ear is starting to heat up...
Like I said,....I don't think Obama can take a lot of credit for Ghaddafi's killing. The Libyan patriots did that. Could the Libyans have done it without the U.S.'s contributions? Maybe. Maybe not.
That having been said I think Obama's foreign policy successes speak for themselves. He's better at it that his predecessor. It is not the same as giving Angela Merkle a backrub. Democrats can now claim the clear high ground for foreign policy creds; including knowing when to stay out of a country.
Thank God McCain and Tootsie weren't in charge when this went down.
Well done Mr. President for a measured, reserved, intelligent response to a dictatorial depot.
Rot in Hell Ghadaffi!!!
If mccain and the bimbo were in control, we would have invaded. Thank God for our soldiers.
doug bair
"If mccain and the bimbo were in control, we would have invaded."
Yeah, with those two in charge, we would have invaded alright.
Austria.
Actually if Bush and Palin were in charge - we would already be in Iran. Since the troops will be stretched thin cause we will also still be in Iraq, Afghan, they would have to implement the draft so that more of our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, friends, neighbors could serve and die in Libya.
Obama/Biden 2012
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"I don't think Obama can take a lot of credit for Ghaddafi's killing."
One thing we know for sure -- had Ghaddafi stayed in power -- Republicans would be screeching about it.
The only thing the GOP has consistent on *anything* is that they disagree with Obama.
Another foriegn policy victory for the "socialist". Reagon could not get him, Bush Sr couldn't. Bush Jr, actually lifted the sanctions against him. Time for all the gop thugs to finally admit, this President is succeeding despite all the gop's antics. Just think how much better our economy would be if a few gop's had acted like Americans and said "yes" and not "no". America wake up to the farce that is called the gop party.
A big part of the success of getting rid of Qaddafy without sending in American troops goes to...Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN ambassador Susan Rice.
Let's not forget that Sens. McCain and Graham visited with Col. Qaddafy a few years ago---no doubt that softened him up.
Amy, you are right,...again, Lost in the milieu are the behind the scenes efforts of the diplomatic corps. I think they are going to be even more important in the months and years ahead as we forge Libya into a true Democracy instead of,.....and I'll say it outright here,.... a profit center for Haliburton.
I have a friend who was stationed in the green zone in Iraq. She said a six pack of Coke costs $46 there. Supplied by Haliburton (KBR), of course. Sounds like Democracy going on there, eh?
The Bush/Cheney administration, still bleeding America white.
One thing for sure if you are a politician you should be fired and run out of town!
And if this had happened while George Bush and Dick Cheney were still in office, the Republicans would be praising them to high heaven.
yeah and the dems would be criticizing them to high heaven
Well, given the track record of Bush/Cheney, this conclusion wouldn't have been reached while they were in office. Rather, a war would have been declared, trillions spent, thousands of US soldiers lives lost, and 100s of thousands of civilian casualties. Then turned over to a democratic president with the expectation from the GOP that it be ended immediately.
....and the bills for the war pulled out of their hiding place and paid for with tax cuts for the wealthy of course.
Look with a world view we have worked thru NATO, it's NATO and the rebels. Obama as commander in chief and in foreign affairs did right for not going thru the GOP congress .
Let's hope the New Libya remembers how we helped them without being occupiers, and stops burning American Flags and instead, waives them along their own.
A big part of the success of getting rid of Qaddafy without sending in American troops goes to...Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN ambassador Susan Rice.
True. Displacing the dictators is a risk along the lines of "the devil you know may be better than the devil you don't know."
But, long term, the Arab Spring was bound to come one way or the other...better with our support, rather than Al Qaeda's.
seeing as how they were burning effigies of gadhafi with a star of david painted on his chest ( which our msm blatantly ignored, just as they did the star of david painted on effigies of mubarak) i think we can pretty much tell how things will go
We'll see. Are all Libertarans against aid to Israel?
Again, thank God for Obama!!! Republicans couldn't find a terrorist if they were lead by their noses to their doors.
We will never know where we might have gone if the party of HELL NO had worked with the President instead of working to make him a one term President BEFORE he even took office. They had that phrase down pat before he even stepped foot in the Oval office.
I hope they like CROW because some of them should be eating it by now.
They will now divert attention onto something else they can blame the POTUS for and the Media will follow and jump on board which the American people for the most part believe whatever they are told.
luvenia:
I think CROW will go well with the humble pie they'll have for dessert.