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Oh, Christ. Watch the malcontents go nuts, now.

Cause you got the first comment? ;op

No, because those ... those ... libruls ... want to hire those unkempt, slacker veterans, like the ones who have been seen at OWS rallies.

Veterans hate America, you know.

I'm with you Drive By - not a real story or even one worthy of First Read.

unlike say an explanation of what happened to Class, and why no one has told Obama that it is gone.

So Drive By - Obama seems to have lost a net 8 points in Gallup from Tuesday. The Virginia dems want absolutely nothing to do with him.

Why not spend some quality RV time with the little Misses? Sounds nice.

So AM - I just read an article that an OWS protester got raped at a Cleveland rally by her tent mate.

This of course is horrible, and the guy needs to be shot, but what now, and what should the parents of these kids [many are college kids] do or say by way of precaution?

Seems she was told to share that tent with the bad guy. They were OWS's tents and sleeping bags.

Now this was in a public park, but that's a large degree of control that OWS exercised.

Does OWS/it's organizers face civil liability for the rape? You think OWS has any liability coverage?

Why not spend some quality RV time with the little Misses? Sounds nice

thanks....

Now I have dry heaves!

Most fun I ever had with Ms. Spanky was a trip across country in a RV. We were young, carefree, no kids, and gas was cheap.

Her first time in an RV ever. I suspect it is Michelle's first time as well.

Although I doubt the Obamas will be sleeping in many rest stops, dining at Hardee, or stopping at the Giant Ball 'o String.

So Anna Molly, you sayin' that conservatives hate Vetrans and don't want to hire 'em?

'cause that's what it sounds like yo're sayin"

Sounds pretty stooopid, now don't it?

Required reading assignment: Go to the main page, and read the 'Fact Check' article.

Oh, and there is even a little something there for folks that are interested in this sort of subject:

".. unlike say an explanation of what happened to Class, and why no one has told Obama that it is gone."

odd, i remember when nepolitano's report made all veterans terror suspects.

my my, how things have changed.

"all this for a flag?"

these lying scum make me sick.

Naa - you tell us about it Drive By.

If Sebelius said it was being abandoned on Friday, why hasn't Obama gotten the memo and still talks about a veto?

"Bush: I've Made No Mistakes Since 9/11"

www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0414-01.htm

"Obama: All The Choices We've Made Have Been The Right Ones"

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/19/obama_all_the_choices_weve_made_have_been_the_right_ones.html

Tell me again how these two clowns are different?

Will McCain do his old man shouting at clouds rant on the floor again, complaining about the bus with parts made in Canada like the bus he himself used? And will FAUX Noise attack the Obama's over some nontroversy like eating healthy arugula salad?

Most fun I ever had with Ms. Spanky was a trip across country in a RV. We were young, carefree, no kids, and gas was cheap.

Will the punk continue to post as if anyone cares about him or what he thinks, will he go off on tangents about nontroversies or actually contribute something meaningful?

Stay tuned...

Does OWS/it's organizers face civil liability for the rape? You think OWS has any liability coverage?

You mean any more than universities are liable when football players rape co-eds, or date rape occurs in frat houses?

No. Events don't rape people, Spanky. People rape people.

Oh my, the name calling.

Gosh TruePatriot, are you calling me a punk? Ouch. So hurtful, so mean. Kinda like a mean girl in high school.

But ok TruePatriot, tell me why I'm a punk. Then tell me why you are not a putz.

Then you can tell me what it is you have to say that is meaningful.

And lastly you can describe just why it is you care, and clearly you do, what I say, and what topics I discuss. Cause as Feisty has pointed out once or twice there is a little feature here called the "ignore Button."

Rather than complain and call me names, you could just ignore me. But we both know you can't.

Ok TruePatriot, you big old meanie, get after it.

Love the First Lady - mother, smart, hot - law degree from Princeton/Harvard. Where can I find one of those for myself!!!

Spanky,

I feel compelled to jump in here and Explain True Patriots Name Calling.. since we have all felt the wrath of the librus crowd I get it now..........

You are White and you dont Agree with Everything OHHBAAAHMA is trying to legislate..

AM - of course the universities are liable for the acts of the football team. They get hit all the time.

I raise the subject as one of professional interest. I have defendenedseveral civil suits involving rape claims against Landlords, parking lots, and bars.

But since my earlier post I have seen the OWS responses. Not exactly what I had hoped for. One guy said - no way anyone here would ever rape, so she must have been a plant and/or a liar, and from some reporters - that is was too bad and would likely look bad, and cause the movement to suffer.

Now, I don't know about you, but those are not the reactions I would expect from a movement like this. From a University, form an institution, sure.

Blaming the victim is bad AM. This is a tragic crime. Now is not the time to be throwing the victim under the bus. They sure didn't do that at Duke.

mitchj:

You guys are some pieces of work. Secretary Napolitano's report CORRECTLY noted that veterans - thanks to their training - were perfect recruits for terrorist-oriented groups.

Perhaps the late Timothy McVeigh has slipped your mind.

Perhaps you have forgotten the error-free reign of Secretary Tom Ridge.

Give it a rest. While Secretary Napolitano has made errors, she was most certainly correct in her assessment regarding veterans as recruits.

Thanks steveiam. TruePatriot is entertaining, but honestly most of the time I have no idea what he is trying to say, or what big BLUE point he is trying to make.

But if it makes him feel better to call me or others names I fine with it.

In fact, you are right, as the whole of Obama continues to unravel they get more and more desperate and shrill.

In other words the Right Track/Wrong Track poll ain't getting any better, nor are his individual poll numbers, the unemployment rate, or the exploding deficit.

These are just flat ugly times. Poor libbies - all their hopes and dreams were pinned on Obama's shoulders and he is doing so horribly bad.

I almost feel bad for them.

Your comparing Veterans to Timothy McVeigh??? Shame on you...I'm a Veteran and proudly served for over 20 years. I don't know one Vet that doesn't love his or her country. Unlike those down at OWS who only care about themselves. Still haven't seen one of them with an American Flag...if we do it is probably there for them to burn it.

Blaming the victim is bad AM. This is a tragic crime. Now is not the time to be throwing the victim under the bus. They sure didn't do that at Duke.

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I blame the victim?

AM - of course the universities are liable for the acts of the football team. They get hit all the time.

Put some apples out there to compare, and we'll talk about it.

Now, I don't know about you, but those are not the reactions I would expect from a movement like this. From a University, form an institution, sure.

Me, either. Then, again, as with Duke, it is not completely unknown for women to file false charges.

So what's your point?

Not you - the OWS people and its supporters have, at least out of the gate, blamed the victim.

In my original post i had no point, just saw your name after I had read the story and since you are a lawyer [and you'll be relieved to know, on the approved list around here] I thought I ask you opinion on liability. See, I always assume someone will get sued.

Now on another totally non related, but fun cause this is the "place for politics" how about the DOE getting causght by CNBC scrubbing old press releases on green energy loans?

SunPower - $1.2 billion about to go down. Man, Obama and Chu have just set back solar about 20 years.

And they still seek to cover this crap up. Do they never learn?

You like apples? how about 'dem apples?

Anna Molly, What's your point" to Spanky

I think his point is he is bored attorney looking for his daily entertainment quota on FR.

Coming in late to today's threads, I would expect him to be all over the thread about Perry preview of his tax code reform plan, but he is not to be seen.

Here he is on a thread about Michelle Obama and throwing out some reference to a woman raped in Ohio occupy #WS site.And he opines about the civil liability of the case...

guess I did not miss much today, just the same old same old....

Did read your posts and loved your take on the debate last night, which I missed.

JFK:

Timothy McVeigh WAS a veteran. That's a fact. Do WE veterans not deal in facts any longer?

You like apples? how about 'dem apples?

So, you don't have any orange baskets for my farm, either, huh?

Sigh.

Northstar:

guess I did not miss much today, just the same old same old....

Just another day in paradise. Thanks for the kind words.

The reason the bus trip is such a big story is because the media were so surprised the Obama's didn't take separate busses an hour apart with no stops for shopping or golf.

I just threw up a lot in my mouth.

Next time try laying down first... ;o)

Not to mention that the entire concept of hiring veterans is about to become unpopular with the right-wing "support the troops" crowd.

In 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

I don't know about the program, but I think you will find that us conservatives have never had a problem hiring veterans.

In fact I know of one large law firm here that basically only hires vets.

Sorry to burst your bubble AM, but the it is the libbies who don't seem to be all that interested in hiring vets, at least until the last few years.

But as for a program giving incentives to hire vets, or unemployed or whatever, that is a bad idea.

Good Rob in Ma. As long as you are that far along please imitate Jimi Hendrix.

Anna Molly,

As a retired military veteran (retired in 1980) that took advantage of the GI Bill to complete my college education and also took the 10 points added to my civil service test score I am all in favor of any program that helps veterans and their families.

However, if you talk to most employers they will hire veterans, not for a tax credit, but for the following reasons:

1) Military personnel are well trained in discipline and following orders.

2) Have had experience in a work environment and have in many cases been in leadership positions, supervised others and been responsible for equipment valued in the millions of dollars.

3) Have proven they can and will follow directions with little or no supervisor.

4) Veterans have been through hardships that those who have never served, especially in combat, would have a hard time understanding.

It appears that a large number of companies have already agreed to hire 25,000 veterans and their spouses, and I don't believe the tax credits had any bearing on their decision.

Exactly sfcret.

Employers [including me] love vets. Why wouldn't you as an employer?

Which calls into question why this is even an issue?

I think it would cause my friend AM to question if there are not political motives afoot.

Spanky that is like saying my best friend is gay ( law firm hires only vets), Ohh I have what Rob has and now it is all over my desk. Sorry Fiesty did not have time to lay down.

What are you talking about Tis?

Let's try it this way - what are the top 3 or 4 qualities you look for when you hire someone?

Oh, wait, I just got it. Tis, have you ever hired anyone?

The managing partner at the firm I referred to is a four star general in the Marines.

You better believe most of his attorneys are former JAG, AG, and/or retired military.

So Tis - back up your statement and tell us why sfcret is mistaken.

Yes Spanky I have hired people and you said the managing partner is an active Marine General or retired. Is this a private law firm or a government law firm. And what do I have to back up I never commented on sfcret statement.

Rob -- Are you another someone who didn't get enough hugs as a child? Even I liked to see Reagan take Nancy's arm when going up stairs, or for that matter Bush assisting the Saudi king--heck I'd even prefer Romney joking around with his wife and turning backward to "show the side people don't see" to all the ugliness right-wingers represent these days. Teapublicans have devolved into a negative, petty Party for sure. They want to destroy anything nice, beautiful, or good.

That's BS about conservatives supporting the troops. Who's been against paying them more, or getting them equipment they need, or health care when they come home? The Democrats, and Michelle Obama is one of the biggest supporters of the troops and their families.

sfecret----I agree with you about the attributes a veteran brings to a job but that doesn't explain why their unemployment rate is higher than the national average, which is what the President and First Lady are trying to address.

sfcret - exactly!

Spanky:

Sorry to burst your bubble AM, but the it is the libbies who don't seem to be all that interested in hiring vets, at least until the last few years.

And your evidence is, as usual, where the sun doesn't shine?

sfcret:

It appears that a large number of companies have already agreed to hire 25,000 veterans and their spouses, and I don't believe the tax credits had any bearing on their decision.

I believe you mistake me. That wasn't my point. My point was merely that, if Obama is for it, the Right is against it.

I would never dream of questioning the qualifications of veterans as you laid them out. I honor and thank you for your service, and I'm glad to see you got the benefits to which you are entitled. That's how most liberals think.

During the Bush years, conservatives mostly voted against Vet bills.

That's how many conservatives think.

Good one AM - You think I'd get busted if I trot that out in court? Might be worth it.

AM - we conservatives love vets for all the reasons sfcret spoke to. But some, and I know a few in positions that hire/make hiring decisions detest the military and don't like the way ex military behave [not free thinkers/artsy/whatever].

Unemployment sucks for everyone. But enough with your speculation - you do not know how we think nor speak for us.

Stick to speaking for yourself and your side. You are good at it. This, not so much.

Spanky:

But enough with your speculation - you do not know how we think nor speak for us.

Stick to speaking for yourself and your side. You are good at it. This, not so much.

Seems to me that works both ways, Spanky. Allow me to repeat your words, in case you've forgotten:

Sorry to burst your bubble AM, but the it is the libbies who don't seem to be all that interested in hiring vets, at least until the last few years.

As I said, where is your evidence?

Still waiting, Spanky.

But mine isn't all speculation, as much as yours is downright misrepresentation. Whenever it suits their political purposes, conservatives consistently -- and callously -- hold up Veterans' benefits. For example:

http://www.squidoo.com/whitleyhodges16

NOVEMBER 3RD, 2009

Senator Tom Coburn has placed a hold on a veterans benefit bill. Over thirteen military and veterans groups have pressured him to change this position.

Thirteen major military and veterans groups have joined forces to try to force one senator - Republican Tom Coburn of Oklahoma - to release a hold that he has placed on a major veterans benefits bill.

Senate Bill 1963 is the Veterans' Caregiver and Omnibus Health Benefits Act of 2009. He used political trickery in the Senate to place a hold on the bill.

Coburn's staff said he is worried about a new and unfunded benefits bill. He wants to hold it up for his own amendments.

I remember one time in particular, still during the Bush administration, where John McCain was complaining that a bi-partisan vet benefits bill cost too doggone much and didn't create any incentives for people to stay in the military.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4652517&page=1

But the bill, which would dramatically increase educational compensation for American troops, has run into some unexpected resistance, both at the Pentagon and now from McCain, who has remained silent on the issue, saying he had not studied the bill close enough.

Pressure had mounted on McCain to support the bill — a veterans group, which backs the legislation, delivered a petition to McCain's Senate office, signed by 30,000 veterans.

Thirty thousand veterans supported the bill, and McCain opposed it? And the Pentagon, too? As others might say, WTF?

AM - we conservatives love vets for all the reasons sfcret spoke to. But some, and I know a few in positions that hire/make hiring decisions detest the military and don't like the way ex military behave [not free thinkers/artsy/whatever].

Well, you said yourself that there shouldn't be any hiring preferences for vets, remember?

No?

But as for a program giving incentives to hire vets, or unemployed or whatever, that is a bad idea.

You really ought to have one side of your mouth consult the other side before you post, don't you think?

No surprise. Except for a few counties, I don't think it was central Virginia that he carried in 2008.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/va.htm

Poor Anna Molly, in total denial.

Obama will never win VA or NC, he has zero chance.

Come on bob - don't pile on.

All a libbie has is her hopes and dreams.

They hoped to take back the Wisc. Senate, and dream about getting rid of Walker.

Nationally they hope to re elect Obama, and take back the house.

Too bad the Wisc. senate thing failed, and not only will Obama lose, but they will almost certainly lose the Senate.

There is a reason Tester, Nelson, Manchin and several others kicked Obama's jobs bill to the curb.

Hope and Change really sucks when you are the establishment.

Obama is the man, and the people are looking for change.

Dude lost 8 net points in Gallup in one day this week.

That's bad, bob, real bad.

Spanky you are trying so hard to convince who us or yourself. Sounds more like you are trying to reassure yourself he can't get re-elected. Afraid he is going to send a missile your way. Maybe he will just use a sniper to get you. You might want to watch the roof tops, trees, vans oh RV's to. He is mad you know just killing anyone in his way you know people like you the fringe element. You are so dangerous you and your mad ideas of who knows what.

Tis the Season,

What do you consider the fringe and why?

Spanky:

Come on bob - don't pile on.

... he said, cheerfully, as he piled on.

All a libbie has is her hopes and dreams.

Don't I wish.

You got me AM. :)

Tis - are you serious? Me, dangerous?

Na, even my libbie friend AM will vouch for me.

You will vouch for me, won't you AM, pile on or no?

You got me AM. :)

As in Sonny and Cher? LoL Indeed.

But actually, Spanky, I might have vouched for you, if you hadn't chastised me for that veterans thing up above.

After that, I wouldn't DARE speak for you.

You'll just have to speak for yourself. ;-)

Well I personally think it's time Spanky got out of the sand box....mom's calling you.

Well I personally think it's time Spanky got out of the sand box.

LoL Isn't that the truth?

But if Mom is calling, she probably needs his ATM card. ;-)

[But if Mom is calling, she probably needs his ATM card.]

You mean the one all them fees are attached to come January, 2012? Ah, who am I kidding..."counselor" can afford it, after all, he's a "job creator".

LOL Pile on everyone....we need more to really make an impact! Anna had to say something these boys decided to not play fair anymore. ; ) Mickey excluded.

When did Obama say he is not campaigning?

He is certainly campaigning to get his Jobs Bill passed, just like he said he would in his address to Congress a few weeks ago. He is doing exactly what he said he would do.

Oh, and if you are going to call out famous Presidential lies you forgot the classic, "I don't recall" that every President has used. And you might want to mention "mushroom clouds", that was a pretty big lie.

nisl:

"they'll follow us home"

Our President is campaigning......Obama is campaigning! Campaign!...campaign!....President Obama is on the Campaign Trail!

obama is campaigning!.....

Now what?

"obama is campaigning!.....

Now what?"

Well, he WINS, you big silly! And, so do WE!! (well, not Smiff, maybe...)

Duck and Cover

The right-wing tries to make his campaigning an issue....just like the fist-bump, lapel pin...blah, blah.

Anybody see the news clip of Weeper of the House on the golf course (ritzy) in California?

Bachman and Paul running around spewing garbage and lies...oh, but that's OK..........

Give 'em hell Barry!

Yes, he's campaigning and why shouldn't he be! The Republicans are getting hours and hours of free campaign time with the never ending debates! And no he never said he wasn't campaigning, in fact Joe Biden came out last week and totally acknowledged that they were! So drop it!

errr diane, doesn't a potus have other responsibilities, as in governing? Perhaps you think that obama is such an effective delegator that he can be out on the road all the time.

Of course I was joking about obamas delegating abilities as he has prtty much ignored the advise from his advisors since day 1.

so you Obama supporters agree. Obama should reimburse the tax payers for his obvious campaign tour which he has said is not a campaign tour.

Sure, tony...

just as soon as you collect from bush jr & cheney for us.

Sounds to me like the teapublicans are scared to death; all their spouting off about "any Repub candidate can beat Obama in 2012" means ONLY if he doesn't campaign... "stay out of the race and we will elect a Republican Mr. President."

Hahahahaha!

t

This was certainly missed

Come on now, that is kind of lame. Just don't go there please.

I had to think for a minute who the former Second Lady was and what she did - then I remembered.

So Amy, what did you remember? Was she Evil and Creepy too?

How about the former First Lady...Evil and Creepy like her husband?

Paris, thats sarcasm, right?

No, just true blue Obamabots.

I suspect their emotions just get the better of them. They feel compelled to make a comment, then after they realize how silly they sound they likely feel embarrassed.

Amy, perhaps you can respond to WCA's well put question?

Amy - I pay close attention to politics but don't recall that Mrs. Cheney ever did anything unsavory.

Really, if you have to attack the wife of a candidate you are reaching. It is... beneath all of us regardless of political affiliation. Unless, of course, the action of the spouse is severe/outrageous enough or the spouse is directly involved in political action of their own.

That said, I guess I'll admit to hypocrisy about Marcus Bachman. The whole ex-gay therapy thing is, to me, repulsive and does help explain the oddity that is Michelle Bachman. I don't have a problem going after Marcus, but then I'd go after him even if his wife wasn't running for office.

Come on Amy, you can do it.

What did you remember?

I think Amy gets the point.

I remember that Lynn Cheney did NOTHING! Jill Biden has been actively involved in several initiatives to better our country along with Mrs. Obama. I thought there used to be a an unwritten civility code that you didn't take on the First Lady and the family!?! Oh that's right, civility went out of style in the last decade! Laura Bush was a lovely lady and I don't hold her choice of husband against her, but her reading campaign was a bit tepid compared to Move American and Support our Military Families!

Mrs. Obama and Dr. Biden have had initiatives to help address the needs of military and their families and held many events together and separately for them. I cannot remember a similar initiative regardless of the cause from the past administration. I think that is what Amy is referring to.

Wow, things must be slow for the top 1% today. You guys are really looking for a fight over a non-issue. Maybe Amy meant she thought about it and remembered that she was "not memorable"...nothing creepy, scary or unsavory. Just saying.

Try to look at the cup half full for a change. Not everyone is attempting to offend. Yes, good advice, don't let your emotions get the best of you.

Really Steeler - you can't remember so then they must not have done anything?

I was almost with you Paris [and by the way both Ms. Obama and Biden at 1%-ers], but then Steeler had to chime in.

A simple google search might dis-abuse you Steeler.

Yeah, how dare he!

...because no other President has ever done that before, right?

Da Noid, you have to remember President Obama can not do anything right for these people, he is not one of them, he does not belong to their cult of rights. They know what they are saying is bull but it fits their need right now. They are afraid right now and should be. If they do not win this one they are done for, they will be run out of the country maybe even catch a missile or two. I know I have that red button around here somewhere. Oh found it.

...golly, I just love when the truth hits a nerve.

Please remind us all, TTS, when a past president disgusted a campaign trip (for reeelction) as a tour to get support for a bill.

OK...maybe Clinton, but I don't recall - after that whole Monica thing, Hillary kept his in her purse & him on a short leash.

Comrade, what truth when you start talking truth you might hit a nerve but it won't be mine. And who is TTS is that Russian for Tis Comrade. You a Russian Spy or terrorist. Or are you just playing a Russian like on TV. You have a good nite now Comrade rousky.

Omlouváme se, ale možná jsem měl napsaný "TtS"
Je škoda, že nevědomost je jen ve stínu své slepé socialistické ideologie. Vy, pane, jsou zadek.

Are you legally blind?

@Richardo you are trying just a tad too hard to convince someone how magnificent you think she is, not sure who. She is an attractive woman but she is hardly saint worthy or the only one.