Buck they don't care about you, you do not agree with them so you have no worth. The whole idea behind the republicans is to make this a republican state. That is what karl rove is all about, that is what boner is all about. Clean out the democrates so there is no one to disagree with them they want an autocratic ruling class for America.

There are plenty of Republican "solutions" passed on to the Democratic controlled Senate where Harry Reid "sits" on them. Real jobs in this country are created in the private sector. Obama has done everything in his power to restrict the private sector in words and deeds. You certainly have the Democrats "talking points" down pat which are reinforced by the liberal media. Seems you don't remember the shovel ready and recovery summer claim which costs almost a trillion dollars. We needs real jobs, that will produce tax revenue, not jobs that are temporary and created by tax dollars and just result in national debt which is out of control and will cause a real financial burden down the road.

Tony the private sector has had years to create jobs and that has not happened has it. The solutions passed down to the senate always include tax cuts for corporation and the wealthy job creators and that has not worked for 10 years. So try something else that might work any ideas or just retreads.

Tony: Tis the season is right. YOur republican friends have offerered nothing but tax cuts and defunding of regulations. We have had enough of their lies and frankly, their crap. If they can't or won't work for the people, then recalls should begin. Get them out of office and put in people willing to work with this president. Remember your republican friends all agreed that they would turn down $10. of cuts for $1. of tax revenues. And you believe these people are sane? Really?

Hard to believe there really are people out there that still buy the lies of this administration. An administration funded by Billionaires like George Soros, a guy that has always hated America. I understand why there are posts in-favor of this narcissist-in-chief, they are union members, welfare recipients and others that have never really paid their own way. Same reason there are the OWS, same type of losers doing these stupid acts are the same ones behind obama. Interesting that Soros is also behind OWS.........get the picture now?

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So the better solution is to sit here and do nothing and just wait for it to fix itself. It will not fix itself, I will refer to an earlier post you keep trying to shoot down solutions but yet offer none in place, who does that benefit and how. Answer that what ideas has the right produced that has not already been tried before and failed. Name one just one that does not include tax cuts for corporations or the wealthy.

Okay, you shot down their solution, what do you propose we do about it then?

Anyone...anyone...

"Tax cuts for the wealthy"?! I assume you are talking about the Bush tax cuts, only 22% of which went to the top 2% ( the group that pays over 50% of individual federal income taxes)!! If it were done fairly, almost 2T of the 3.7T over 10 years would have gone to the top 2%, not the 700-800B that actually did!! We already spent almost 1T for a temporary inprovement in the economy and now you want to borrow almost 1/2T more??!! you say the other side has no ideas? Your solution has been tried. What part of failure don't you understand!? We have to do this so we can say we tried??!!

TES you are repeating yourself with numbers just as twisted as your thoughts. I asked you to name one idea from the right to create jobs that does not include tax cuts and you can do no better than repeat your earlier statement. Here is your chance to show how much smarter you are then everyone on the left. Take a shot, come up with an original idea on how to put americans back to work without tax cuts they do not work.

OK At a cost of 800+B dollars we saved an estimated 1M jobs (temporary). That is roughly $800,000/job. We could have given money directly to the unemployed at $50,000/year for 2 years and funded 8M jobs! Besides these people would not be sucking on unemployment. With the financial difficulties cities and states are having, we could have found things for them to do. OH, no!! We can't do that because there are probably union rules to prevent it. And you ignore my earlier comment. Just because we need to to something, we can't just repeat the error!! And I'd like you to point out which of my "numbers are twisted"in my earlier comment. Just because you do not agree with me doesn't mean my facts are wrong!!

Sitting here doing nothing is what we need. We can fix some of the problems that hinder job growth, but this does nothing to fix the problem.

Buck they have no ideas and that scares the poo out of them, they have no idea how to govern other than to say no. No it won't work, No we will not raise taxes, No, NO NO. Scared little children and they want to lead this country where, they really have no idea, all they can do is prey about it and we still go nowhere. You pin them for ideas and they feed you poop because that is all they have.

Schools should be funded at the state level. Why only teachers, police and 1st responders? If you have to ask that question then you don't understand politics. The democrats are trying to grab the lowest hanging fruit to try and piece meal the whole bill. No deal! Many times doing nothing is far better than doing the wrong thing.

FactOfTheMatter

I think people picked up on the sarcasm but in reality the Republicans have passed "jobs" bills. They don't artifically create bogus spots that continue to need funding in the multi-billions every year but they are designed to get the private sector on a more stable ground. Lower taxes, less regulation and getting rid of Obamacare. You might not like them, just like we don't like your stuff but those would be a good start and you will find Harry Reid sitting on his ass refusing to bring them to a vote.
Just because your guy thinks his $h!t doesn't stink even though we are worse off then when he took office (his words not mine) although I do agree with him on that point. How can you expect cooperation when the Dems offer the same crap and pay for it the same way every time.
BTW why can't your guy stay in Washington and use some of the wasted taxpayer money he is using to campaign with to talk with the interested parties??
Just a though and no sarcasm meant.

So basically the conservatives retort is to fund it at the state level, and if your state happens to be bankrupt, well, I guess no education for your kids then.

Or did I miss a solution in either of REB or Jim's posts?

Look, I wanted Clinton to be President, not Obama, so stop acting like I care who sits in the White House. Answer the question please: What do you propose we do?

It's smoke and mirrors...simply cut taxes to zero on anyone making over $250K...on the presumption that they are the JOB CREATORS. Also, do away with all regulations that add cost to their businesses.

Make-up for the lost income by confiscating ALL income from the LOSERS - i.e. those making less than $250K/yr. They deserve to be punished for their failure...not rewarded through welfare.

Then, stand back and start counting. By the time you get to the end, the jobs will appear and all will be well. No problem.

None of these will actually do anything to help the american people get back to work. I have read every single one of them. Deregulating clean air, clean water, pesticide and insecticide regulations, speeding up the process of oil drilling permits, and laying a pipeline through one the worlds largest fresh water aquifers is not going help many americans get back to work and the keystone-XL pipeline could cripple our mid-western economy if anything goes wrong. They are not ideas to get us out of a recession they are ideas that make it easier for large energy corporations to get richer faster.

I believe the Ryan Proposal has been voted down in the Senate.

On the others, were there any CBO analyses done that indicate how much money would be saved and/or how many jobs created?

I fact, do you have a link to ANY analyses done...even by the right wing think tanks?

There are always CBO analysis done, it depends on the bill and the people associated with the bill. For example, for Keystone_XL pipeline Transcanada estimates 20,000 US jobs while an independent study by Cornell ILR Global research institute estimates 2,500 to 4,650 temporary US jobs. So you have to do some digging. The truth is somewhere in between.

I saw two bills that might create jobs, Reb, but at what costs to the environment, more oil spills in the gulf? As to anything proposed by Representative Paul Ryan, it deserves to be shredded and used as kindling for a fire.

His jobs bill would be paid for, if the United Norquist's of America would allow a %0.5 tax on millionaires and billionaires. Since I am a millionaire I find itoutrageous that they would not do that, %0.5 increase most definitely will not effect my way of life, and will not stop me from hiring people to work in my lab. It is simply ludicrous.

sfcret
All these people want to do is tax and spend. No brains involved in putting together a plan for the future. For them it is one year at a time.
The reason state and local governments don't want to raise taxes to pay for the police, firefighters and teachers is beacuse they will be voted out. Easier to live on the Federal dole.

Zach-2748439 - have you noticed that none of your jobs bills worked i.e. the stimulus et al. We are worse off than before all of the spending which has now added more to the debt and intrest repayment cost that ever before. Think about it. PS - you can still send in your 0.5% if you want. Nothing is stopping you.

First, it is not my stimulus. And Second if you go to politifact.com they have proven that the first stimulus did work and any statement saying it did nothing is wrong. The stimulus after WWII worked, Obama's first stimulus worked it created or saved millions of jobs. I understand what you are saying about the debt but this current bill has a way to be paid for, given your last statement you know how I feel about this. I don't believe in increasing taxes on middle and lower class Americans and state budgets are out of control, when a person doesn't have to pay anything toward their pension that is unsustainable and stupid. I also feel that debt is a long term problem and should be dealt with as such, there are a lot of factors that have contributed to our debt, wars, tax cuts, wasteful spending, and horrible money management in DOD and other agencies.

REB-

P.S. What would you do with %0.5 if i did give it to you? Buy things? Save it? Invest?

You are giving it to the Feds. Ask them what they will do with it. If it were up to me I would pay down the debt but that is just me.

good answer. But I meant you personally. What would you do with direct cash in your pocket?

I am getting close to retirement so I would probably save it. My wife who is younger than I am would redecorate our apartment!!

She wins all discussions.

Its funny when republicans say that BHO's economic plan has screwed the nation because with exception of the first stimulus all of his economic policies have been in line with the republicans. What planet do you people live on?

Zach - What planet do you live on. Everyone of Obama's so called jobs bills rely on tax increases and the republicans will not support tax increases.

BTW, if you are in fact a millionaire, which I doubt, you can pay your .05% or any other amount you want, if that makes you feel good. I think by all of your postings that you are between 20 to 35 yrs of age, liberal, and believe the government should take care of you from cradle to grave.

sfcret

You are dense, if you must know I am an Independent voter, I am in fact in my 30's and I started, own and manage an environmental testing lab and I am in no way expecting or needing the government to take care of me. Please step out of your bubble and think for your self. I came from a middle class family, went to public schools and am thankful for the system that got me here. Unlike many rich people I don't think I did it all on my own, I realize I could not have made it where I have without the system that is in place.

I used to be predominately republican in my views, now however I feel the party has gone way too far right, which in turn is making liberals go way too far left. DIVIDED WE FALL there is a common ground of logic and reason that is being trumped by ideology supported by false claims.

Zach - I have been thinking for myself much longer than you have. Personally I could care less how you claim you made your money, if in fact you are rich. Tell me how much income tax you paid over what was required. As I said you do know that you can pay more in taxes than what is actually required. So how much over the required amount have you paid? You are the one bragging about how you are a millionaire, put your 1040 tax return on here and prove what you say.

That is funny, I am younger and something tells me I am a lot smarter than you, Mr./Mrs. free thinker. I will not and cannot legally disclose the information you ask for to some random person on a blog. I don't care if you believe me, I have nothing to prove to you. As a millionaire, I was simply trying to express my opinion because I am sick of republican politicians and people like you expressing them for me.

zach - You are full of crap, there is nothing legally stopping you from stating your net income, deductions, and taxes paid. Even Warren Buffett published his income and taxes paid, which by the way proved he was wrong about paying less than his secretary.

BTW you still have answered by question, did you pay more in income taxes than required, if not why not. Personally I doubt you are any smarter than anyone else on these boards.

Let's see Zach, you say you have your own business and are a millionaire, self made. Yet in Feb 21, 2011, you said you work for the USGS, do oil and gas research as a government employee. You further state in Feb 2011 that you are low/middle class American. So what is it, middle class or millionaire? Have your own lab or work for the government? You do know your post go all the way back to Dec 2010?

Zach = busted you lying POS.

Dale, where does that money come from? Just print it? Inflation would run rampant? Tax more? Duh... bad idea. Tax "the rich?" Theft by any name.

Your idea is to just stick it to those who make more than $250K a year, and then "promise, we'll fix it..." Yeah, sure. That'll happen.

Taxation isn't "theft." It's what helps create your ability to have an income.

Paul W: If they repeal the bush tax cuts for only three years, it would be enough to pay for this, and enough to pay the deficit off, and it would not add nothing to the deficit! and everyone would be paying for it the wealthy and the middle class, then the money they would save, and the time, paying off the deficit, would generate billions of dollars in interest they would be saving.

this plan would stabilise the country, when the deficit is payed off they could reform the tax system, and and by this time the country would be paying more to the SS by more people being employed, it would start a chain reaction, that would lift manufacturing, and real estate.

it would be stupid not to do this!!!

dale- I actually agree with you. The key to our plan however is opposed by those on the left. You said repeal the Bush tax cuts. Liberals are very careful to add the addendum "on the rich". I actually believe most conservatives would be fine with raising taxes if they didn't know that the money was just going to be wasted by the government.

johnr123 - put that in an e-mail to Grover Norquist. You'll be banned from the Club for the thought.

You are, of course, right. But, I don't suppose Congressional Republicans will heed your advice...they'd rather lose an election on the "principle of the pledge."

Johnr123; thanks for the positive comment, the money in this plan would do its job no matter who in government would want to waste money! we need to be very careful who we vote for, and most of the time we have the records to help us decide, this problem has been coming to a head for many years, and right now many people in government is trying to fix these problems, its not easy, and it wont be done over night!

And both sides need to understand that we the people will try to vote out whoever, on either side that does not do their jobs.

Although I agree the top 5% probably should pay more lets understand some basic economics. The government DOES NOT create wealth, it only redistributes it, I.E. Welfare, food stamps, unemployment etc. As a society we have decided a long time ago that wealth redistribution was socially correct, I.E. In some ways SS, Medicare and Medicaid. As a conservative I have no problem helping those less fortunate. It is called being human or whatever. But make no mistake, increasing taxes does not in the literal sense of the word increase wealth or jobs. The government does not create jobs except those jobs that create no wealth. I.E. the depts of education, energy etc. These types of government jobs create no wealth. To create wealth (hopefully a little bit for everyone) you need jobs that create a product that that can be sold for a profit. I.E. shoes, food, cars, houses etc. When you take money or create impediments to entrapaneurs (sp) I.E. small business owners, tv makers etc. in order to increase wealth distribution you do only that. Distribute wealth from those who create jobs to those who don't. As a true conservative I advocate both increased taxes for the top 5% and cutting spending. I.E. Pork Barrel spending that does nothing except transfer wealth from the tax payers to a select few. Why do we spend money to some grant to figure out why pig farms stink. Yes, that happened in 2011. So liberals please understand, the government does not create wealth it just makes us slaves to 535 members of congress and their whims. Conservatives please understand, as Americans we are generous and we will take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. However, no new taxes until we fix the spending problem.

It's not an accounting issue; it's an equity issue. If you don't understand, I strongly suggest you take all of your money and leave the country as fast as you can.

stone, your mentality is a good example of our problem, you think it doesn't matter if we spend ourselves into oblivion as long as everybody is equally impoverished. It really sounds like you are in the wrong country. Our country was founded on the principle of giving people an opportunity to succeed. By saying it is an equity issue you sound like you would be much happier in a purely socialist country where everything is divided equally regardless of how hard one works or sacrifices. I'm assuming that since you have a computer and internet access you have more than a lot of people. Why don't you sell your computer, give up your cable TV and cell phone and use that money to make someone with less than you more "equitable."

Johnr123; the wealthy is part of this country, the country is in A recovery, millions of good, hard working Americans are fighting for their lives, they have millions of children who are falling behind, socially, etc. all this will cost untold amounts of money if it continues, we can face the problems and solve the problems, or we can run and hide our money, and try to be the only one who survives when its all over, this is the greatest country on earth! that's my belief, and we can do much better, we need to stand up and be A part of the solution, not run away and hope it will all work out.

The wealthy and the middle class should be proud to do their part to get the economy back on track, read the plan above and think about it the country needs everyone to work together, and solve this problem.

dale- I agree with you. My problem is the posters here and on other sites who act like the wealthy in this country snuck into their houses and stole the money they have. The majority worked hard, sacrificed and risked to get where they are. They now pay the lion's share of government revenues and arguably get the least amount back but they are demonized as if they did something wrong. Solutions to our problems, in my opinion have to involve making the government less wasteful. The solution on the left seems to be just confiscated more, hell, they have it and I want it.

John - No...the equity issue isn't about giving YOUR money away or dividing the wealth equally, it is about understanding that being an American means a lot more than your net worth. And, about working together to solve problems that are common to us all. Greed...is passe.

The polls show that American voters will support cuts in spending even if it means taking some cuts in social security and/or medicare...but they will not take one dime in cuts unless the most wealthy amongst us are also willing to take a small increase in their taxes. That's the equity issue...and I'll repeat, if you can't understand that, if I were you, I'd take my money and run.

The Republican's threat to block the debt ceiling increase has already cost us a downgrade in our credit rating by S & P. Republicans have said that the national debt issue is so important, so critical, that it rises to the level of national security.

Then, they block a jobs bill that reduced the debt over ten years by $6 billion...i.e. virtually deficit neutral, over a temporary 5.6% hike in taxes on incomes OVER $1.0 million...that impacted between one and two tenths of one precent of the top one percent of income tax filers.

Sorry...you've cried "wolf" once too often. See ya at the polls...if you haven't left yet.

Johnr123; its understandable! for you to feel that way, its not fair! but many worked hard and lost everything, we cant worry about what should have been we can try to fix it now and put regulations etc, in place so it does not happen again, have to go but I do see what you are saying!

Some of these posters are playing games, and don't have a clue! over look them it will catch up to them!

Stone6, You do have a way of saying it like it is, The Republicans are worried about the debt! ha ha ha !

That made my day! I wish I had your understanding about what is going on, have to go your right on top of it!

some Republicans should even begin to see through their own party at this point!!!

So...add all the Republican totals; deduct the Clinton negative number from Obama's positive number and compare the results.

Actually, I am joking...unless you understand the composition of Congress, the issues the country faced, etc., etc. simple comparisons don't mean much...and forget economic "theory." Presidents from both Parties tend to do what they must do.

That's a little extreme bob - the government "creates wealth" by emphasizing certain sectors of the economy over others, through tax law (loopholes), and tariffs (yes, we still have tariffs), and in dozens of other ways.

Take Reagan. Reagan saw an opportunity to both beat the Soviet Union in an arms race and stimulate the economy by borrowing money to build up our military. As a result, a lot of money went to Southern California aerospace firms, who hired people, distributed profits to stockholders who, in turn, made purchases and other investments that benefited still others.

Remember that was "borrowed money," so taxes didn't necessarily pay it off...because the debt is cumulative and generally NOT paid down, but rolled over after interest is paid.

But...we both agree on the solution...cut spending and raise taxes until the debt gets back down to a managable level.

You don't want the anchor babies and illegals not receiving free education do you? Why should hard working Americans that are losing their houses because they have lost their jobs not want to see the economy slide further into the toilet with yet another bailout? Shouldn't we pump more money into teachers unions and pensions so these anti-Americans can be safe and secure in their old age?

We need to clean out the white house and also the congress and get some people in there representing those paying taxes and to do what is right for ALL Americans, making it stronger once again if it isn't too late. A congress that has to live from the same rules, same health insurance, same SSI and level the playing field....

Rebel,

What the hell does abolishing the teacher's union have to do with any of this?

Please enlighten me. So far all I smell is rubbish. But hey, I could be wrong.

Rebel: do the same to the banks that were bailed out!

Give the banks back their bad mortgages!

Regulate them !

Who will pay the American people back their losses in 401-k plans, and the pensions that the states can not pay for now?

It seams like the wealthy got the biggest hand out of all time!, what about the people whose equity went down? because of risky stock market deals?

you act like the workers caused this problem!!!

The Unions did not cause the problem either!

You also think the states should take over the ss and medicare, you tea Repubs are really full of it!!!

rebel, brilliant just brilliant...love it