It is time for GOP to vote for millions of jobs for the American people.
However, every single GOP Senator voted against the American Jobs Act last week.

If Republican leaders are genuinely worried about unemployment in America,
why did they NOT vote for every and any potential to put millions of Americans back to work? For example, millions of construction workers laid off due to the Housing bubble & bust created by Wall street crimes and the 1% greed for $$$$more-more-more.

The American Jobs Act is ABC. It is clearly laid out. Polling shows two-thirds of Americans say Yes to the components of the AJA.
But the patriotic, Norquistian GOP voted against it en masse.
All 100% of them.

So what are they FOR? We conclude they are for crashing the US Economy, handing our government over to the 1%, so they can privatize the lot of us and give us beans and peas for wages.

Grover Norquist Zombies are sure going to be a very heavy lift for the DEMS.

Only if zombies can think.......

Grover Norquist??? I'm assuming he thought CUTTING taxes while engaging in, not one, but two unfunded wars was a GREAT idea. Never happened in US history, but hey 'deficits don't matter", right Mr Cheney?

spanky

There you go again. Another Bogus LIE Without FACTS. According to your tribe, there will always be money for more tax cuts. What ain't going to ever happen is your gluttonic tax welfare infested brain to think outside the box. Stop munching on tax largess and THINK.

Tax revenues went up and unemployment went down to 4.6% after the Bush tax cuts. Try checking government web sites before you embarrass yourself further.

Spanky,

You don't get it. Tatically, this is a good decision. We need help NOW. Not 13, 14, or 15 months from now. We need to get this economy going TODAY, not tomorrow.

When the bleeding stops, then we start to think strategic. It can't happen any other way. Business decries regulations, but with weak demand, it doesn't matter what regulations we repeal, because no one is buying, largely because they don't have the cash to do so.

For many, the prosepcts for the future are DIM. For others like yourself and myself who are more fortunate, the story is indeed different. Please leave your situation at the door and open your mind to the possibility that this legislation might be the booster shot that saves a fragile recovery.

What's more, if it doesn't deliver, it cost less than the needless war still raging in the Middle East, and it will be another mark against the pres. months before he vies for re-election. Do you really have anything to lose?

The top 1% owe the American people a bunch of money that they've avoided paying for decades via kickbacks and get-arounds.

The vast inequality between high & low incomes in the US is not news and has been vastly reported on.

You might say the OWS is extremely upset about it, same as groups all around the world. Today and for the last month.

The super-rich has had a great innings via the Bush tax cuts. And we the 99% have made them the richest group in the history of the world.

WE bought their stuff, transported it on American roads, educated their employess in our schools with our teachers.

So now we want them to pay the same effective tax as we do. And many of the very wealthy agree.

President Reagan was right, IT IS CRAZY for a bus driver to pay more in taxes than a wealthy person.

Man looks like the UK's Telegraph no like-y likes Obama:

If recent polls are any indication, it is doubtful that President Obama will enjoy another 1,000 days in the White House. And looking at his track record over the course of his first 33 months in office, it is not hard to see why. It is hard to think of a presidency in modern times that has done more to damage the United States both at home and abroad than the current one, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter’s. Like his Democratic predecessor in the 1970’s, Barack Obama has left the world’s dominant superpower on its knees, with faith in US leadership now being questioned across the globe.

So what are you all always saying about the world's love for Obama?

But do read the whole thing. Insightful stuff.

yikes.

Backhouse,

And Im also sure the poling of the supposed supporters of this Temporary Workers Bill had it acurately explained to them. I am sure it was explained that the majority of the jobs created at the cost of $480 Billion would be for 1 year. That the taxpayers would be on the permanent hook to continue to pay for the public sector workers after the temporary spending ran out, or that they would all have to be laid off at that time.

It is real easy to get a support number for a bill named "American Jobs Act" when in fact it is not a jobs act, but a temporary workers, put it off for one more year for a huge pricetage, bill.

I am sure the numbers are an accurate reflection of how misinformed the majority of Americans are on the details of this garbage the POTUS is pushing.

Those of us that remember his last "Stimulus Bill" tend to dig a little deeper into the details, as there always seems to be a catch with the items this POTUS supports.

Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us.

How many times are you willing to be fooled Backhouse? How many times will you buy the garbage rhetoric before you start to question its validity? Enough of America has stopped blindly believing BHO. So why do you hold out and just believe anything he says? Have you not been burned enough?

ABO 2012

Great argument Bryan.

In fact it's the exact same one they made about the Stimulus. You remember that one - $800 billion for teachers, cops and "shovel ready.

But the money ran out Bryan, like it always does. And remember, they don't have any money. They have to borrow money.

Bryan, do you live off of credit cards? If not why not?

Education, police and fire protection -- in case conservatives are unaware, these are BASIC government programs and services that help YOU, even more than me because I don't have kids who need an education. But to all you misguided "starve the beast" types, if you want roads to drive on and someone to respond to your 911 call, it requires tax dollars.

Whether the funds come from the Federal or State level, it still comes from the tax payer--preferably all tax payers, and not just folks without a $1,000 tax credit per child (like me) or the richest 2% who aren't creating jobs no matter how many tax breaks they are given, because this is trickle-down voodoo BS. Demand is what is needed, and that means keeping people employed first and foremost, who's spending on basic needs will actually help the economy for everyone.

But just think, if it's Federal money that means all the welfare red states have the advantage--That's right, you can take from progressives in blue states! And you know your Teapublican representatives are aching to get their hands on money. Oh if only they could find a way to do it and not get "primaried." And you Teabaggers, you could also benefit from jobs in your area, but YOU are too stupid to support this.

So what's the problem Teapublicans? Why not invest in what needs funding anyway, and why not pay for it by asking the rich to pay their fair share? Oh that's right, you don't care about the suffering of millions of Americans, in fact you rub your hands with glee at the thought that somehow this will get one of your pitiful candidates in the White House.

I hope the OWS movement starts protesting for specific action like this legislation to create jobs, that opens a phone center tocalls representatives day and night, and most of all generates votes not only in 2012 for Obama/Biden, but to throw out Scott Walker, props in Ohio, and other Teapublican BS.

BTW, did folks catch the clip of Huckabee encouraging people to suppress the progressive vote by misinformation and even slashing their tires? That's about as funny as a fence to electrocute people to death.

So Mixed Bag, which one of you is Corky and which one is Fats? Come on, tell us, how many jobs did you create today, ur uh, Corky, how much money did Corky the mover and shaker pocket today? When will his photo be on the cover of Forbes?

Americans need jobs now, right away.

To say, "Oh well it is temporary so it is not worth doing".. is a sham of a response.

Wages buy food, rent and gas no matter what date is on the pay check.

Or are food, rent and gas merely temporary realities, in YOUR mind?

People exist in 3D.

Families need work.

The Housing crash and bust was not their fault.

NOW is NOW. People need work NOW. People need to pay their bills NOW.

You cannot eat numbers on a page! Winning a political argument by putting your foot on the STOP pedal ~ will not put food in people's mouths or clothes on children's backs.

Don't let the right wing corporate lackeys and the greedy games they play at the feet of the 1% make fools out of you either.

spanky

Living off credit cards? The different is Bryan is no Government and this comparison shows you're inept. By the way, what's tax cuts?

Spanky,

If i don't have cash, I don't buy it. I get your point. But if my heater breaks in the middle of winter, and i need to replace the furnace, I'm financing it. That's another reasonable argument right?

Oh wait, the furnace reference may be over your head. My bad. If my AC compressor breaks in the middle of the summer....actually not a good argument because i could always use a fan. You know what i mean.

Spanker.

Great argument Bryan.

In fact it's the exact same one they made about the Stimulus. You remember that one - $800 billion for teachers, cops and "shovel ready.

But the money ran out Bryan, like it always does. And remember, they don't have any money. They have to borrow money.

Bryan, do you live off of credit cards? If not why not?

And the fact is, the stimulus helped the economy. All the economic analysis shows this.

We do have to borrow money to provide further relief to this economy.

But the point your ideological delusion insists you miss is that the longer we are in a down economy, the longer it will be before we can legitimately deal with that debt.

Study up, jr.

Backhouse,

The top 1% owe the American People money? If you can prove they broke IRS rules and regulations or filed false infromation, then fine go after them. Otherwise, you are a fool.

Vast inequities between the High and Low incomes is correct. The top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all income tax receipts, and the lowest 10% not only do not pay a dime of income taxes, but get refund checks on top of not paying.

The OWS crowd is upset, You can tell by the dung piles they leave on cop cars. You can tell when they shout their Anti-Semetic catch phrases. They are upset because we are still a Democracy and a Capitalistic society.

The 99% of us did make them rich. They offered something we wanted and we bought it. It is the American way dummy. It used to be called the American Dream. When did this become bad? You educated their employees in the schools? They paid more taxes than you, so probably a better bet they educated your children in their schools. Without them and their tax money the school system would not have been as good.

So now we ant them to pay the same effective tax rate. OK, lets raise your tax rate to macth thiers. You willing? You seem so convinced they are paying a lower rate (as BHO has said so, therefor it MUST be true), but I would be willing to bet otherwise. Would you accept paying the same rate as them? After all, that would be fair wouldnt it?

Reagan said that when he closed the loopholes and deductions that used to exist in the tax code when he came into office. At the same time, he lowered the nominal tax rate across the board.

You and the entire OWS crowd are a bunch of whining fools. If you dont like that someone has something, why not better yourself rather than whine about what they have? What give you the right to say they owe anything? If you have proof they broke the laws, then bring it. Otherwise dont make such accusations.

Facts are facts. The top 1% of wage earners in th US pay 38% of Fenderal Income Tax receipts. The top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all federal income tax receipts. If you believe your pittance is a larger percentage, what proof do you have to make that assumption?Because some un-named secretary of one Liberal Billionare said so? It is a progressive tax system we have now. It already puts a higher percentage demand on the wealthy, even though that is not truely fair.

I am about sick to death of you whining people referencing the OWS menace as justified and pretending the money corporations and rich people have is actually your money to do with as you please and to dictate how much of it they get to keep. I am sichk of the references where you assume your pittance contribution to this tax system is more than theirs. I am sick of you assuming they somehow got rich by robbing from you.

I am just plain sick of you, everyone who wishes to whine instead of work and the entire OWS crowd.

ABO 2012

We spent the $800 billion, our debt has increased by 5 TRILLION dollars since the beginning ogf the Obama administration, and 'official' unemployment has gone UP to 9.1%. 'All economic analysis'? - WHOSE analysis? The DNC? Can you name your source for 'all economic analysis'?

The problem with Obama's 'jobs bill' is the cost to the taxpayers.

The first 'Stimulus' Bill cost the taxpayers $860 Billion, and the CBO says it 'may' have 'created or saved' 1 million jobs, at a cost to the taxpayers of about $860,000 per job. They also say that 'Stimulus 2' may 'create or save' 1 million jobs (lol), at a cost to the taxpayers of about $450,000 per job. These jobs typically ended when the 'subsidies' ran out.

In contrast, the typical private employer spends about $42,000 to hire an employee who produces a product or service that can actually be sold for a profit - at a cost to the taxpayers of $0.

I wonder which one works best?

Duh.

Jonathan,

You are being disingenuous. The relative increase in the debt was in large part due to Obama correcting an accounting mistake Bush 43 made. Please do get your facts straight.

Spanky I believe in your right to speach your right to choose, your right to believe as you wish. But I stop at then when you deceive by editing. You have always done that no doubt because your believes would not stand the light of day. The point is the Jobs bill was and is to be paid for, that is why the republicans keep voting it down and you keep repeating it is on barrowed money. You know better since I am sure you have read some of it. So why do you feel the need to mis-represent the truth. Does that somehow weaken your believe or are you truly just a paid mouthpiece here.

Spanky stand in the light and make truthful statments if you do not believe in the jobs bill just say so and why but do not make up reasons that just makes you weak.

Look to the UK and see what a policy that promotes severe austerity will do. The damage will not only suppress our GDP but our entire economy will most certainly be pushed into a depression. It will further impact the European countries, China and well the whole world. So the republican plan if implemented would be a sure ticket to a very short term in office for any R.

The AJA is supported by business and the Chamber of Commerce.

Roy -- Business is not hiring. Most site low demand.

Backhouse,

I agree people need jobs now. But we also need to cut spending now.

Why dont we do things to create jobs now? Not temporary jobs like BHO proposes, but real ones?

Do you not think is drilling for oil and gas was opened up the big oil companies would ot stumble all over each other to hire workers to extract it? Wont it require workers to transport it? Pipefitters? Welders? Wildcats? Will not these people working in the oil fields support the local businesses?

And what tax cost would this be? Zero? Would the jobs be more long term? Most certainly. Would it reduce our foreign oil dependence and trade imbalance? YES. Would the fundiong for these jobs run out in 1 year? NO

So, if BHO REALLY wanted to create jobs, why would he not press Reid to address the bill the House sent to the Senate to do jsut this?

Answer? Because it would not further his agenda to expand the public sector. It would not benefit the unions he depends on for campaign funds. It would not give him the ability to justify a tax increase he has been trying to push for so long. And it would make his tree hugging base mad.

I am all for jobs. Permanent jobs. Ones that could be produced right now without the added cost to the taxpayers. Jobs that dont expire in 1 year when the funding runs out.

If you are truely for jobs, then call Harry Reid and let him know you want the drilling to be opened up and job creation to flow.

If not, shut up. This plan BHO has is not a jobs plan. It is pandering to his base, and getting his way. If he wanted to create jobs, he could just do as I suggested. And if you truely wnated jobs to be created you would support the same.

Buut I suspect you really dont want jobs. You want to help further the deficit spending temporary jobs plan that BHO is pushing. Because he CANT be wrong, can he?

ABO 2012

lol, TruePatriot-

There's no "magic" with President Obama.

None whatsoever.

No sleight-of-hand...nothing.

That's why he's in trouble, silly boy...

He is what he is.

Incompetent.

Judging from the recent polls...

The public gets it...even if you don't.

Dont_carry_it_all "Look to the UK and see what a policy that promotes severe austerity will do."

So you think that bankruptcy is better? The excessive spending is what got them into the situation, and your answer is more excess spending?

How about some common sense - Would that work for YOUR family?

Standard rates don't take into account the $millions/billions of dollars of finaigling now under scrutiny in the national debate about taxes.

The super-rich have loopholes, capital gains and get-arounds so that some super-rich companies with good lawyers don't pay any taxes at all. The corporate share of the nations's tax receipts dropped down from 30% of all federal revenue in the mid-1950's to 6.6% in 2009.

As things currently stand, there are Hedge Fund Managers and CEOs earning $50 million who pay lower effective taxes than their Secretary or child's Teacher.

Whether the finaigling is legal is not the uppermost question here.

What is in question: is the disparity between the official tax rate,

and the reality of what the 1% actually pays in taxes,

after they they've implemented their special kickbacks and get-arounds, in a bag of tricks that ordinary people do not have at their disposal.

Public Policy Poll shows that 73% of Americans agree with the Warren Buffet Rule.
The poll also shows that 66% of Republicans agree with the Warren Buffet Rule.

Corporations use shelters, tax credits and subsidies to pay less taxes, find ways to accumulate American profits while offshoring and receive Billions in tax benefits from the IRS at the same time. Burman, scholar at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center said, "...in our system, there are corporations that view their tax departments as a profit center".

TiS: day. The point is the Jobs bill was and is to be paid for,

Paid for. Paid for how TiS? And for how long? 1 year? Maybe 1 year?

Lets call this bill what it is, a farce. If schools want teachers, it's up to the states, and not the federal government, to come up with plan to hire and retain the teachers. This garbage from the Dems with their "My way, or the highway" babblings is just election year bs.

Yeah, you want to talk about deceit TiS? Deceit is when you have an $800 billion "Jobs bill" back in 2009 that was wasted away, and went on the countries credit card. That was supposed to produce jobs TiS. But you're too stupid to realize that Stimulus II is the same as Stimulus I. Same old, same old. But what do you care TiS, someone else is paying for it, and it does help get the unions out to vote with yet another bailout to them.

You bought into those Sham-Wow commercials too, right TiS? Got yourself a lot of shammies do you?

My point is that we must "wind down" slowly. No bankruptcy is only used by businesses and others to get rid of debt. A long tradition in this country.

Excess spending in some areas could be cut and in others increased. Depends on what you consider important. Right now we need growth. But first we have to have consumers in the game. Without jobs we will likely limp along, stagnated. 70% of the economy is based on consumer demand.

What should Europe do to prevent the collapse??? Any ideas?

So gang - why just teachers and firefighters and such? There are 15 million unemployed people.

Tis - what editing have I done?

Perhaps you can cite some examples, because your generalities are empty.What truths have I mis-represented? Do you have any specifics?

And again, libbies - Manchin, Tester, Nelson, McCaskill are not Republicans.

You see Obama is in a certain state today. Yet none of the dems in that state are meeting up with him, taking pictures with him, or within 100 miles of him.

They get it. How come you all do not?

MB: There's no "magic" with President Obama.

Maybe Skippy-boy can get Obama to "Plunk his magic twanger".

[I see that AM is the recent target to stalk and harass.]

This is because she embarrassed Spanks....he painted himself into a corner in a round room (dumb asses do that), and AM, in her eloquent manner, pointed that out to him...much the same way she did with Mixed Bag...they never can get their talking points straight...

By the way, ever notice how choosing from the current GOP field of "candidates" would be like having to choose which sexually transmitted disease you'd want to be stuck with?

lol

Maybe, JoAnna-

I suspect he'll need more magic than that to be reelected.

lol, mouse.

You're truly clueless.

Visit my Newsvine site and check out my friends.

And...all my un-deleted comments.

Silly mouse.

:-)

What a great day - more of the self described 1%-ers looking for the old magic.

Of mice and patriots.

I walked through some fantastic 1%-ers as they marched down the street.

Today they sought "States Rights." Can you just imagine? See these particular 1%-ers want Obama to lay off the drug enforcement. Cali likes its weed, don't you know.

So that's what our residents will get a load of tonight on the local news - pot head, ummm, I mean 1%-ers demanding that the DEA be shut down and that pot stores be on every corner.

We need more press for the 1%ers. They are terrific.

Mickey, I think you're right. It's jealousy that AM is a real attorney. Glad to see you Googled the movie "Magic" Bag Boy (haunting). But boy am I excited to learn more about Romney's magic jobs machine (much better than underwear). Now if we could just get Corky to put a cork in it.

HEY.

Damn you Mixed - I always knew AM liked you better.

AM, where is the love?

Is it cause I'm a lawyer?

Spanky did you or did you not infer that the Jobs Bill was unpaid for "But the money ran out Bryan, like it always does. And remember, they don't have any money. They have to borrow money." Also a stimulus is not designed to create permenant jobs, it is to stimulate permenant jobs thus Stimulus. Or we can just sit here and do nothing for those 15 million unemployed. I don't know about you but I pay taxes and my job depends on people working so I would like to see something done but no more tax cuts they do not create jobs been there done that. Oh I have one for you how much longer do I have to pay 3.70 for gas when crude cost have dropped yet the oil companies need their government money, don't hear you crying about that waste

Jas1 I have not doubt as to why you post, you live on hate and fear. Also which party has made it clear "my way or the highway" transference is a real mental health issue look into it. I also suspect you bought the sham-wow's your to much of a bottom feeder not to have. And you JAS I don't hear any crying from you either on wasted money given to those poor corporations we support. Go back to your cave you have more finger painting to do.

Backhouse,

I already gave you the reality of what the top 1% pay in taxes. It is verifyable and I will provide links if you so desire. I have done it in the past.

The top 1% pay 38% of all federal income tax recepits in the country. That is fact. It is verifiable. And this number is including all the shelters, loopholes, trick, gimmicks etc that you seem to think exist.

So where is your proof that a CEO making $50 Million pays a lower effective tax rate than theri secretary or teacher? Examples please?

You treat this as if it is all common knowlege, which it is not. Even if teh CEO made ALL his money in capital gains and paid a 15% tax rate , I am sure the average secretary does not exceeed the 15% tax bracket. And while a lot of CEOs do get a fair amount in capital gains, they also have other wages taxed at normal rates, which are much higher than 15%.

Public polls say 73% agree with the Buffet rule? Then I guess 73% of the population is jealous or stupid. Which are you? Buffets example is not typical as he derives all his income as capital gains. Very few of these examples exist.

Tax departments are profit centers. They examine every means within the law to reduce the tax burden on their company. Not unlike the average American who also attempts to reduce their tax burden by taking child credits, mortgage credits, etc. Any reduction is taxes is a profit. Seems simple to me. But their efforts are within the law and the system we have in place. And they are already overtaxed so a lot of these credits, loopholes, or whatever you choose to call them are to allow for them to reduce the tax based on this. And many of these "loopholes" are for activity they can prove they did to better the economy as a whole. Credits for investment to improve their company are not given to be nice. It is assumed these activities will make the company stronger and more profitable in the future so more revenue can be collected.

I try very hard to not defame anyone or call people names due to their posts. But yours are so inflamatory and just plain wrong that that is becoming increasingly hard to abide by.

Your simple minded blind following of BHO without thought process is hard to fathom. Your talking points without verification like it is fact is sickening. Terms such as "special kickbacks" "get-arounds" and "Super rich companies with good lawyers that dont pay any taxes at all" should be the first tip to any reasonable reader that you are full of it. And I will refrain from calling you names, I am surely thinking of a few.

Give us facts. What super rich comapnay paid no taxes, and why? What was their Gimmick, special kcickback, or get-around?

What CEO making $50 Million pays less effective tax rate than what specific teacher, or what specific secretary? No matter how hard BHO wants to make these things true to further his case, they are not true on any kind of widespread basis. While there may be a case here and there due to very special circumstances, in general they are not true and the federal income tax records indicate they are not true.

ABO 2012

Let's try it again Tis-

The government takes in $2.4 Trillion, but spends $4 Trillion. That's over $4billion a day, and more than $3 million per minute.

Oh and there is no budget for 2011.

So, what is, and what is not "paid for?" What does that even mean, given the way our government operates?

See Tis somebody [read our children and their children] do actually have to pay this off, with interest.

So Tis - let's take your plan to it's conclusions and go the Jesse jackson Jr. route - why not just hire ALL unemployed at $40k per year? Think that'd work out? Why just teachers and cops? Doesn't seem to fair, right?

Oh and I love Sham wow's. I'd never buy one, but that's just cause I'm cheap.

Bryan E.,PA

In your response to Jonathan; you stated:

“You are being disingenuous….”

Does the acronym (PA) after your name stand for pompous asx or that you’re on public assistance?

Do you like being called a liar? Forgive me for the unavoidable typo; I should have typed lawyer.

"Weingarten was passionate about the dire straits facing schools that have fallen on hard times.

"The bottom is falling out on budgets all across the country," she said."

Duh, because the bottom has fallen out of houshold budgets across the country too... and you want to saddle them with another $500 BILLION in debt to fatten YOUR budget?

[Visit my Newsvine site and check out my friends.]

Seeing that Spanky pulled that string on your back, I'll answer:

Um...no thanks...not interested. Besides that, there's the whole cooties dealie.

[And...all my un-deleted comments.]

Yeah, cool...I bet your comments are "un-deleted"...so are mine. I just choose to exercise my right to show them, or hide them. You call them whatever your little heart desires if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

But, as I said before, if you're REALLY interested in what I have to say, all you gotta do is ask, MB...

...or you can try FOIA...lol...maybe you can get a "counselor" to help explain that one to you.

Opening up more oil/gas drilling sites will NOT add more jobs, just as all of the current untapped leases have not yet created any new jobs. And the cost of tapping those "reserves" is going up and up because it is more and more difficult to extract that oil (fracking, deep water drilling, etc.). Plus, the oil companies only produce enough oil to meet the WORLD demand.....yes, the world demand, since all US sourced oil is sold on the world market, not kept here at home, just as the oil sucked out of other parts of the world is not used in the source country. China and India are now buying almost as much of that oil and gas as the US consumes.....and a lot of their consumption is coming from this country.

You've already been to my Newsvine site, haven't you, mouse?

You've even told me about my "...inciteful, thought provoking posts..."

You shameful flatterer, you.

Insightful, or "inciteful"...I'm happy that thinking was somehow provoked.

Frankly, "inciteful" is much easier than insightful.

"Inciteful" is easy at First Read.

I simply tell the truth...and, most First Readers are incited, mouse.

anti-trust,

You know as well as I do the current untapped leases are in areas with low quality reserves or high cost extraction areas, so that is why they are untapped.

If the know entities of high quality reserves in easy (and safer by the way) extraction zones were released to be tapped, there would be an extraction frenzy.

I do understand that the oil is sold on a world market. That controls pricing. But we could easily buy what we use from here. We would not be beholding to Opec on production quotas as they would not have control of our production. And the supply would go up so prices would go down.

And if a foreign entity decided to cut off our oil supply or refuse to sell to us, we would not in such dire straights.

It is a realistic jobs bill, and if it is such a non-issue, why wont the Senate address it or allow it to be voted on?

ABO 2012

Tis: Jas1 I have not doubt as to why you post, you live on hate and fear

Yeah, just like our President, who is running around in that stupid bus of his telling anyone who bothers to listen that the Republicans want "dirtier water, dirtier air, less people with health insurance".

And those Social Security checks? They might not go out TiS. Prez said so.

Hate and fear. Your side owns the mortgage on that one TiS.

Spanky: So Tis - let's take your plan to it's conclusions and go the Jesse jackson Jr. route - why not just hire ALL unemployed at $40k per year?

Ohh, a math word problem for TiS. This could be trouble. Like our Prez says TiS, it's just math. Com'on big'fella, run the numbers for us! I'll send you a free Sham-Wow to add to your collection if you do.

how can any one of you seriously look at this plan and honestly say that its going to spur business to hire?

its time to stop these feel good bills, enough spending!

anti-trust

There are things called PERMITS that are required BEFORE you may drill on you lease that you have had for years!!!

Then there is the LOST jobs that happened when Obama put in his ILLEGAL Drilling Moratorium.

Testifying in the U.S. Senate this week, Undersecretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank said that about 2,000 of 9,700 rig workers have been laid off or left the Gulf since the drilling ban went into effect. She said the government estimates rig spending will be down $1.8 billion, causing a total job loss of between 8,000 and 12,000 positions, including rig suppliers.

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2010/09/obama_administration_should_kn.html

Now if 12,000 jobs were lost because of 32 deep water rigs were shutdown HOW MANY JOBS WOULD BE CREATED WHEN 100 Rigs start operation in the OIL SHALE????

SO DRILLING DOESN'T CREATE JOBS??? BULL SH!T

It is stunning that people are so ignorant that they think 1/2 of what didn't work before is suddenly going to put "millions" back to work. What lunacy.

What's worse is that again, the Taxpayer gets the tip, and the government workers get their fat paychecks and benefits.

In my city alone more than 100 city employees earn better than $100k annually, in a city with 15+% unemployment, and relatively low cost of living.

Government is way too expensive. They are a combination of incompetent, corrupt, and are serving anyone but us.

It's time to cut government pay by 30% to adjust for the new normal. Everyone. Take 30% less or hit the road. Adjust down. We have. That will fix most of these whiny cities and states, and put some folks back to work.

Sorry, but I cannot afford my own retirement contributions, so I certainly cannot afford yours.

PEN-24 spanky There you go again. Another Bogus LIE Without FACTS. According to your tribe, there will always be money for more tax cuts. What ain't going to ever happen is your gluttonic tax welfare infested brain to think outside the box. Stop munching on tax largess and THINK.

What is the alternative? Cut more government jobs? Cut more government services? Deregulate Wall Street? More tax cuts for the wealthiest among us? Why don't we just auction off the Country? I suspect the Japanese would be interested in buying the Grand Canyon. And if we disband the military, I'm sure we could sell the used weapons systems to China. People like you could probably afford to hire Blackwater Ze for your personal security, I guess the rest of us "little people" are on our own.

Spanky,

RE: your post #1.3 "They know there is nothing they can do."

Spanky, you are CORRECT! There is NOTHING the DEMS or REPUBLICANS can do. WE ALL are condemned to a stagnant and shrinking economy and job base, in the U.S., for the FORSEEABLE future (50 to 100 years). Instead of bickering on who is responsible (Dems/GOP) we should ALL be looking in the mirror and seeing the real responsible party! WE THE PEOPLE have allowed this once great nation to succomb to the greed of OUR POLITICAL LEADERS, the MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS, UNIONS, and "OTHER" SPECIAL GROUPS. In short, we were "sleeping at the switch" and did not fulfill our duty as INFORMED citizens to know and demand better management of our country and our economic resources! This political apathy has known NO political affiliation and runs deep throughout all age groups, economic groups, and educational levels. We are now going to pay a bitter penalty for this neglect, on OUR part. If WE (Dems & GOP) want to vent our anger, that anger should be directed at MOST of the U.S. Congress over the last 40 years. Both parties are responsible. The president cannot make policy or pass laws. He can only sign or veto legislation passed by CONGRESS. They are, and have been for years, contemptable of the average citizen. It is so bad now that NOTHING gets done for you and I. Just an awful mistake by the citizenry of the USA. They have kept you and I bickering and arguing for 40 years, ignoring or minimalizing their collective roles. Actually in the first 30 years WE didn't even care enough to argue and bicker, many did not even vote or know the issues. So, in conclusion you are correct, there is nothing that THEY (Congress) can do now. The "Economic Horse" is gone from the barn, and the country, perhaps forever! NO PRESIDENT or NO CONGRESS will be able to 'right' this sinking economic ship called American Capitalism. It matters very little who will occupy the White House after the November 2012 elections or who controls Congress. They will NOT be able to grow this BANKRUPT and CORRUPT economic system. It quite possibly will take a violent revolution to make the necessary changes! We can only hope for an economic miracle, no party or politician can now effect the needed changes in the forseeable future. So sad and so deserved by ALL OF US!

This is really ludicrous. The democrats through the president first pay lip service to controlling the debt and deficit, then turn around and spend more money we do not have. This is a feel good bill to deliver the union vote for the democrats next year, that is all and at the country's expense. Work out a deal on the deficit, pas a budget and stick to it! That is the only way out of this mess. Short term stimulus can help through hard times, but 3 years and hundreds of billions later we are still in a stagnant economy.

OK, I get it, really I do. The GOP says they don't want any kind of bill that isn't paid for, including jobs bills. So President Obama and the Democrats create a jobs bill that is 100% paid for.

So, what is the problem, oh yeah a jobs program which is actually paid for might create jobs, which will improve the economy so that every american will have a better life, not just the one's that support the TeaPublicans.

The Republican Party would rather destroy the United States than allow President Obama to serve more than one term. It is time to get rid of the Republicans.

Paid for??!! It increases taxes on one group of taxpayers for 10 years!! What happens in years 2-10 when we need to increase revenues? Do we raise taxes on this group again or more likely the increased taxes will slide down to lower income taxpayers. It is like taking out a 10 year loan on a car that lasts 1 year and calling it paid for. At the end of 1 year you still have 9 years left on the loan but you need another car!! And we have already tried to produce jobs by spending money we don't have. At 1 million jobs saved or created for 800+B dollars, this comes to $800,000/job! Only the government could screw this up this badly. You say we have to do something??!! Why do something that hasn't worked well??!!

Ok Big Pimp, but first answer this:

Why did the tea Party refer to themselves as "We the People" when they didn't represent all the people?

In fact, as we now know, 80% of the teabaggers are just the same right-wing nutjobs who have been trying to push their intolerant religious agenda on the rest of us for as long as anyone can remember.

Average Bush/republican unemployment 5%, average Obama/democrat unemployment 9% with no end in sight. It is democrats that are sinking the nation.

Facts trump liberal lies every time.

When Bush left office unemployment was 8.1%, that is what Obama inherited. So where you get 5% must be out of thin air.

Big Pimp--first of all, you have no idea of my circumstances! Besides, why shouldn't I care about my fellow citizens just because I have a job? I was out of a job temporarily--you should try it sometime--it might be a humiliating learning experience for you! It makes you understand what it is like for others! Second of all, the 99% of the ("small") people are getting screwed by the 1% uberwealthy who are controlling this country and making obscene amounts of $$ by raping the rest of us! The only way to make such obscene amounts of money is to have a product a lot of people want (Apple, Microsoft, etc) or by screwing the people (derivatives, hedge funds, questionable financial products, charging way to much to the citizens of your own country while selling same products abroad way cheaper, and exporting jobs out of the country). We are getting sick and tired of uberwealthy and wall street folks living with way more than they or their families need or can use while the poor are suffering. The attitude of the uberwealthy--"let them eat cake" was a big mistake for the French aristocracy. When the small people have nothing to lose....we know how that turned out!

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

Well P111, it's a good thing Bush didn't get the chance for a third time for all of our sakes. Things would be even grimmer than now.

Interesting point Wayne.

How do you think they would be different?

Obama has essentially adopted [and in fact expanded] Bush's proclivity for wars, keep open Gitmo, jumped from torture to execution, and of course copied to the letter Bush's tax rates.

Of course there would be no Obamacare, but that really is only bringing Obama down, and has done nothing to cut the costs.

Would Bush have amassed more debt?

Lay it out for us Wayne. I'd love to hear your thought.

Spanky you know very well the republicans stopped Obama from closing Gitmo, and jumped from torture to execution, you don't give a damn about that other than making it a talking point and trying to create fear he is going to do that here. Then there is copied Bush's tax rates, you know full well that was a deal to keep the middle class tax cuts as the republicans would not allow middle class tax cuts unless the rich could keep theirs. Yes again with the editing for your benefit which just shows how weak your position is, so weak you have to manipulate information, you truly are shallow.

tis the season,

Great answer to Spanks questions. He actually knows the answers. Just wants someone to take the time and remind the public about the history of everything. Very thoughtful of you Spanks.

icheckfacts - "When Bush left office unemployment was 8.1%, that is what Obama inherited."

And yet Obama promised us that if he got his $1 TRILLION "stimulus" unemployment would "remain under 8%"?????

Isn't that monumentally stupid?

Yeah Tis - Obama is president but Bush and the conservatives still rule.

But do tell - how did the republicans jump from torture to execution? Did bush give the order to execute Al Alawaki?

Huh?

See Obama as the pres, could have stood up and gotten what he wanted on taxes, but chose to cave, is that it? So how come he has said so many times that you can't raise taxes in a recession?

Google it Tis.

Your welcome AnaB - they need to be reminded how totally ineffective Obama has been.

Then again they appear to know - he lost a net 8% in gallup just from yesterday. Bad times, for team Blue.

icheckfacts

Well here you go check this for facts. Now all you have to do is add the numbers for the years 2001-2008 then divide by 8. Now you should get an answer of around 5.25%. Go ahead and try it. CHECKFACTS!!

Sorry

Here is the link.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

If Bush is still running things with the conservatives, this means Obama and his crowd are the biggest bunch of losers on earth. To have had such control and squandered it so completely takes completely incompetent ninnies.

I'll take a greedy capitalist Republican any day over a wimpy loser democrat that can't punch their way out of a paper bag.

This logic cracks me up. On one hand they try to brag about what a great job Obama and the dems are doing, on the other hand, since 80% of Bush policies are still driving the Obama administration, it's the cruel Republicans fault.... Either Obama is the biggest wimp on earth politically, or he is incompetent.

There you are InThe Middle, TX - I see you've re-ragged while currently serving a one week suspension!

I'm shocked you chose pimpin as your new & improved identity! NOT! lol

Tick Tock little buddy... tick tock! lol

Geez Feisty, you really need to get a life.

Nothing better to do then troll this board looking for ne'er dowells who break your rules?

Re-Ragging just sounds nasty. Reminds me of a gir....oh never mind.

Ordinarliy I would agree WCA.

But today is her birthday. If this is how she chooses to spend it, as sad as that is, so be it.

I stand with Fiesty Red Head. There is acceptable protocol in the newsvine. If you disagree with me fine. There are breachs of conduct that can result in suspensions and or permanent banning. Disagreement is fine, open attacks aren't.

If what I type is recieved so badly, it affects conservatives abilities to function or respond in a civil manner, I invite them to mute me and mute me now.

BigPimpinTx- What's with the name? Just curious...

See comment 4.2 - the original ITM always fantasized about being a pimp!

I am an educated man.

Not educated enough to fool anyone of who you really are...

Did you REALLY post this on your bio? lmfao!!!

I'm the one , the Democrats love to hate. A black Republican that shakes the hater's right off his shoulders.

See ya! It's been fun! ;o)

More like he stole the name of a Jay-Z song for his moniker. Real original.

the chicks that say they are feisty are usually fat! its like saying she has a great personality

LOL, isn't that the truth!

Jacob,

I'm sure you are the poster child for fitness, right? Don't be a hypocrite.

Bryan,

Me thinks Jacob hasn't had very much interaction with the ladies...

If ya know what I mean! *wink wink*

All over that Fiesty!

I just like women"

Of course pimps like women...unless they are an equal opportunity pimp!

BigPimpininTx = big mouth little brains

Pimps like women so they can live off exploiting them, getting them hooked on drugs, beating them, raping them, sometimes killing them. What a choice of a moniker. James O'Keefe are you running another scam?

For pimps, women mean profit, and not much else.

Hey Pimp Daddy -- Why did you go and delete your bio?

Something to hide there little guy?

You can run... but you can't hide... lol

I can't see why you cannot state your case without the hateful comments. The privte sector will begin to hire, and in turn create a larger pool of tax-paying citizens (and reduce the need for umemployment funds) when the government signals, through its economic policies, that a business friendly environment exists at the federal government level. There IS still time for President Obama to acknowledge that his course is not working, and to reverse his policies in time to save his Presidency. Otherwise - it is time for him to be fired!

It was Obama that got all the wall street money in 2008, as well as a ton from BP.

The republicans ran on repealing Obamacare, slashing spending, and making Obama a one term president and they won the biggest victory in over 70 years, what does that tell you!

It was Obama and the democrats who promised jobs:

WHERE ARE ALL THE JOBS OBAMA, REID, PELOSI???

Buffet himself disavowed Obama's Buffets rule, and Clinton said now is NOT the time to raise taxes on anyone, including the rich.

Clinton/republican congress - very successful economy, Obama/democrat congress - disastrous economy. Who's advice would you follow!

Do you realize how immature you're name calling sounds?

Jonathan,

Please cite some specific policies that indicate a friendly business climate. Please? None of your peers can do that for us.

Bryan - there are many, but here are three:

1) Announce that the US is going to open proven carbon energy reserves for immediate production to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources. This will creat good jobs in construction and energy production.

2) Eliminate capital gains taxes.

3) Reduce Corporate income taxes to 15% of worlwide revenue. At the same time, eliminate ALL federal tax credits and subsidies - NO EXCEPTIONS! Corporate income tax rates should be 25% of worldwide revenue for any corporation doing business in the US, but having more than 25% of its workforce (including private contractors) outside of the USA.

Jonathan-3604315

I’m in your corner guy; everyone should be able to state their case “without the hateful comments.”

Again, I agree with your statement that the “private sector will begin to hire…” However, I disagree it will be because of a “business friendly environment” at the federal government level. The reason I believe businesses will begin to hire again is simply because the baby boomers will all be retiring within the next couple of years.

As for your statement about Obama acknowledging that his course is not working; it will never happen. You must never forget that Obama is no different than any other politician. He would make a good liar; my mistake, I meant lawyer.

No kids in the public school system i presume?

I am curious just what is the big republican fascination with killing education?

Education is the one path out of poverty. This better education should not put someone in debt for years. We should provide free college education to those who qualify academically and trade schools to those that don't.

Prisons or education your choice. It appears the republicans would rather fund prisons.

American--that is exactly right. The TPGOP puppet masters do not want an educated populace. They do not want the 99% to have any chance of moving up, and keeping people uneducated is a way to do that. They also want to control the political system in this country--and people with no critical thinking skills will vote against their own interests, as we are seeing. I think you are right about the prisons. There is no "sanctity of life" for these people!

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

Obviously Teapublicans are all about the 18th century. Their plan is to be like the Church and elite who kept the peasants uneducated and working from dawn to dusk for minimal survival. There's nothing like ignorant, fearful, starving masses when you want to control them with a fascist theocratic dictatorship.

It's just impossible to get good domestic help from anybody with a master's degree!

Once again - is it possible for posters here to present cogent arguments without the insults? Remember that this is the era of civility.

We Republicans believe strongly in an education system that will contnue to make the USA competitve in world markets. However, if money spent per pupil were the answer, then we would not have the problem that we do. What we DO have is a public education system that is dominated by public sector unions. Teachers (by and large) do a great job in challenging conditions, but monopolies do not work, and the NEA/CEA is not interested in anything other than to keep their dues coming in.

If all the money from the first stimulus which was for teachers was actually spent on teachers. But the CBO tells us that less than 40% of the money for teachers in the first stimulus was actually used on teachers. So what is this Democratic "slush" fund actually going to be used for in an election year?

I think that the answer to that, Ray, is self-evident.

Wow! Any mention of cutting teachers sweetheart deals and they really come unglued! Maybe one of you geniuses can explain to me why teachers need more than 50 billion taxpayer dollars in a two year span of time.

You see, Joe, the answer to your question is - no one! Now, the REAL questions are - do we NEED additional positions, and (more important) how can we fund these positions (if needed) to make them permanent. Stimulus 2 (the current 'jobs' bill) does not do that. After a year, we will need stimulus 3, or the state house in Madison becomes slum housing once again.

The ideal is if we can get our economy up and running again, there will once more be demand, hence more jobs, more tax money coming in and we wouldn't need another stimulus. Even if we did, it is about America fighting its way out of a republican dug ditch.

What is it about our country falling off a cliff into a ditch do you not understand?

The real question is why don't republicans want America to get better?

Stimulus 2 (the current 'jobs' bill) does not do that.

Then who in the federal government can craft legislation to "do that". There are NO viable alternatives from the other side of the aisle Jonathan.

The Rublican lead Senate and the new Republican President, beginning in jANUARY OF 2013. Or - the current Administration ans Senate, if they come to their senses and change the current economic policies before then. Either way, it needs to be done.

Then what is the answer for creating millions of private sector jobs? Why are business not hiring? If you say regulations, please cite some very specific examples.

Weak demand leads to soft sales, which leads to (SURPRISE) layoffs. How do we increase demand which will increase sales, which will lead to more jobs in the private sector?

Answer those questions, we may be on to something. Blather as a republican always does, like the Senate MINORITY Leader, and we have inaction. The price for inaction is continued economic decline. Period.

how do you propose to fund the private sector?

Repeal Obamacare, roll back regulations to 2008 levels, pass the bipartisan tax repatriation bill, repeal Dodd/Frank (it did far more harm than good), open up the entire US to oil and gas exploration, drop the Boeing law suit.

Guarantee you will not raid another business with your gestapo storm troopers like you did to Gibson guitars over a trade dispute, particularly when democrat supporting guitar makers were doing the exact same thing and weren't raided, stop investigating S&P for criminal charges for something that happened years ago just because they brought bad news, particularly when other rating agencies did the exact same thing but kept their mouths shut and aren't being investigated. In other words, stop using government resources to be your personal retribution squad.

The US could be booming again if government would just get the hell out of the way.

Bryan - I did not say anything about regulations. You did.

Bryan E.,PA

You asked; "Why are business (I assume you meant businesses) not hiring?"

The answer is a simple one. They are making their present employees do more while they take away their benefits and pay them less all while waiting for the baby boomers to retire. Remember big business is good at advertising (brainwashing); they get away with this by telling their employees how lucky they are to have a job!

here's a crazy idea to stimulate the economy.. it will give the people more money in their pockets, leading to them buying more products, which in turn will cause companies to hire more people to deal with the increased demand for their products.

LOWER *BLEEP*ING TAXES!

rather then the Government spending even more money it does not have, rather then trying to take even more money from the "Rich"..

Let the people keep more of what they worked for. Let the people go out, with their extra cash and buy all kinds of neat toys, products and food.

Its a very simple math problem folks.

More money = more spending = More jobs.

But a bank bailout is fine right? What do you have against education anyway? Bad high shcool experience?

Bryan, the bank bailout was not fine, however, it has been paid back with interest. Why don't we ask Hiliary to not promise money to Libya but in turn put it towards the jobs bill? The Obama stimulus was suppose to be a one time get the teachers, etc. on board to renegotiate contracts etc. what happened? Truth is we don't have the money so the bottom 50% that pay nothing should pay something.

A thousand times NO

Lynn,

I say we rescind subsidies and tax breaks for big oil to get some funsing for the AJA. We could also stop funding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan by bringing our troops home. that would free up some of the defense budget for projectys here at home.

We have crumbling infrastructure. Rebuilding and repairing that will create jobs today and for the forseeable future. That may spark demand, which in turn will get businesses hiring again. Remember, the #1 reason business say they are not hiring is "Soft Sales".

Bryan, I agree. I have no problem with the Jobs Bill if in fact it is paid for now. The problem is our President and the Merry Elected Officals want to pay for something today ten years from now. Isn't that how we got here? As for the teachers it is time for them to clean out their ranks also, we need the Unions to stop over pricing the worker and lets get building. Afganistan is a huge waste of moeny and life. Iraq should have been closed down period. We have borders that our military could be protecting.

Good point Bry, if the banks can get bailed out, why not an education bail out?

So let them holler "hell no" then we can all watch as they get blown out of office on election day by the echo from countless voters who holler back in unison "HELL NO!" to the GOP.

Most of the bank bailout money has been paid back with interest. Who is going to pay back the education monies? Tell me why is it costing so much to educate our kids? Free lunch, free clinci, free mental health, etc.???? Let's get back to the basics and let the parents take responsibilty for their kids and their lunch, doctors, etc.

Lynn, we can't have the military protecting the borders, not with out declaring martial law.

Blockaid1,you are exactly right . This is nothing more that more wasted pork spending to make the corrupt unions happy at the taxpayers expense. Crazy Joe Biden got up and made a fool of himself (again) in Flint saying that the crime will go up and peoples homes will be burned if we don't pass this 35 BILLION bill IMMEDIATELY! The crazy comments by this disgrace of a vice president comes when they just don't match the facts. The facts acording to the FBI crime stats shows that over the last few yrs crime in general has gone down in Flint. That includes murder, robbery, rape, etc. This comes at a time when the police force in Flint has been reduced by a large amount.

The outright lies coming from this idiots mouth and his boss is unbelieveable. I guess this shows a sign of desperation on their part. But, this in no way makes wasting another 35 billion right. They can lie all they want but the facts have to come out sooner or later on all the little white lies that comes from their mouths. The only thing more scary with this imbicle is that he is one step from the oval office. (as bad as BHO is)

Now we see that the regeime is altering the papers on SUNPOWER CORP to change the dates on what they knew and when they did it! THIS IS A IMPEACHABLE OFFENCE

The GOP is a lump of coal all right.

On the other hand sometimes the lump just gets pulverized into coal dust.

GOP is a lump of coal?

hmmm.. Lets see.. If a lump of coal is heated, and used just right it can give off energy, cook your food, heat your house, help build a car.

Even be turned into oil, through a rather expensive process.

so, ok, yea, given that our modern technological age is was built on a very strong foundation of coal.

Sure i can see calling the GOP a lump of coal. useful, far more valuable then its given credit for, and with out it nothing we take for granted in our modern age would exist.

sounds like the GOP to me. :p

Thlix,this is exactly what we need. More coal plants (like the new one with the latest technology to burn clean) MORE oil exploration in this country (on land-not off shore). Course, these stupid green idiots want green light bulbs made from China that has increased the prices of rare earth minerals by 1000% ofer the last year alone. So, we are shipping our coal to them at bargain prices while they sell their rare minerals at 1000% increase. Way to go dummycrats, way to go. PS, China uses more coal than the rest of us combined. So much for that! What a disgrace this bunch of fools are!

how do you buy a union vote?

By keeping them on the payroll, whether government can afford them or not. Do you think government unions would vote Obama if he didn't try to fund them but lowered the deficit instead?

You buy a vote against you by laying them off and taking their bargaining rights away.

If you cut their pay and benefits, if you pay them a lot less you will get better teachers, you should pay minimum wage to the teachers that teach your kids, that way you and your kids will get your moneys worth.

President Obama is making the GOP stand up and take credit for saying no. Voters are going to remember that in 2012.

You bet we are Wade, and there will be a ass wiping of the dummycrats come next election just like last Nov. This corrupt regemes time (like Quadafa) is coming to an END!

Do you spell cat with a K too John?

the new initiative to have teachers that are accountable and can pass competency test is a good idea. I remember teachers that I had and now that I am over 50 I realize that they were doing nothing more than reading and testing from a book.

Here in Texas all they teach is for the States Skills Test, they do not teach anything else anymore.

Now in Pelosi , Reid fashion here is the answer: The Court house repairs were done by Union workers etc.... It is not only the Republicans how about Pelosi rat condos, Reid fast train,etc.... They are all spending our money on crap, they should be throw out all of them.

I think it's funny all the Democrats and Union rhetoric. I live across the Street from the George W. Bush Center, there is not a worker on this huge building site that does not wear the Union Proud sticker on their hard hat. Go figure!

MATAL671, here's what the dems do. WASTE 553 MILLION ON SOLYNDRA to pay back BHO's cronnies, WASTE 1.2 BILLION ON SUNPOWER to pay back BHO's money bundlers, 777 million to pay back BHO's money bundlers and nancy pelosi's brother-n-law. What else do you want to know? You need to back away from the koolaid and you will help yourself. Its people like you that don't care for anyone but yourself. You must be a UNION MAN! But, to give you a answer to your question, let the small business people keep their OWN MONEY! STOP messing with the real estate market, (BARNEY FRANKS AND CRIS DODD have done enough damage ) Stop this disgrace called OBAMACARE (THAT ALL THE UNIONS GOT WAIVERS ) Do this, and they will bring back this economy.

Perfect question Ray.

Ray, you are correct. The Democrats and all the left wing socialists are not going to like you.