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Subscribe to RSSHerman Cain supporters may be surprised to find that the first step in his four-point immigration plan is actually a joke, according to comments the Republican presidential hopeful made yesterday on "Meet the Press."
Cain spent last week campaigning in Tennessee, and at multiple stops throughout the state, he talked about building a barbed wire electric fence that could kill those who tried to climb it to enter the country illegally. The line drew raucous applause from Tea Party crowds during at least two of his stops in the Volunteer State.
In Cookeville, TN, on Saturday, Cain even went on to defend the idea of a deadly fence against those who feel it is inhuman. “I get criticized. ‘Mr. Cain, that’s insensitive.’ What do you mean insensitive?” he asked the crowd. “What’s insensitive is when they come to the United States across our border and kill our citizens, and kill our border patrol people.”
He repeated his support for the idea a few hours later at his next stop in Harriman.
But when pressed about the fence yesterday by NBC's David Gregory, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said it was all in jest. “That's a joke,” Cain said. “I've also said America needs to get a sense of humor.”
What’s still unclear is whether Cain favors a non-electric barrier along the border. The Cain campaign has not yet responded to a question by NBC News to clarify the candidate’s plan to secure the border.
On the campaign trail, Cain has frequently cited the fence as the first of four steps he would take to secure the border. Here are the four points of his immigration plan:
1) build a fence;
2) promote a path to citizenship for legal immigrants;
3) enforce the immigration laws that are already in place; and
4) empower the states to enforce the laws that the federal government does not.
Cain’s presidential website makes no mention of constructing a permanent barricade along the country’s southern border. The section of the site that explains his stance on immigration reads “taking a stand on the issue does not mean one lacks compassion.”
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there already is a path to citizenship for LEGAL immigrants!
Really? this is what we have come to expect from the republican/conservative side? Quite sad.... I guess they dropped the compassionate out of the phrase "compassionate conservative".
Listen...my republican friends.... the problems in this country are not caused by immigrants (legal or illegal)... they were caused by unregulated capitalistic greed supported by our government in terms of lobbyist writing regulations. So there's no need for the right to be taking it out on the poor, minorities, the weak and the middle class. All your anger these sub-groups will not bring back your jobs or even alleviate it.
First tea partiers clap when
they talk about excutions,
they clap when they talked about letting an ill person die on the street
they boo a military service man just because he's gay...
now they want to build an electric fence to kill illegal immigrants??...
joke or no joke.. this is some scary shyt and times were are in...
We know where the tea partiers stand... and it's on top of a fallen statue or liberty... they do not believe in it.
Once again, a typical example of what conservatives call "humor."
You know ... just like the uninsured, just like the wrongly convicted ... whether the immigrants have done anything wrong or not, just kill them all, and let God sort them out.
So, AM, when Bev Perdue contended that her comments about suspending elections was meant as a joke, you were all over that one, right?
Um, wrong.
One thing for sure Herman Cain is a joke.
NoJoall blow...Can you ever address an issue directly without doing your usual Poll dance?
Can you ever provide ANY constructive solutions to a problem without deflection? EVER?
Just askin?
Not even vaguely comparable. The operative difference, no joe, is that in conservative humor, people frequently die.
And they find that amusing.
In this case, for example, Herman Cain evidently thinks it would be funny to have little innocent children die from electrocution while being lifted over electric fences by their parents trying desperately to enter this country to make a better life for the children and for themselves.
Way too funny.
Was Cain's comment a Joke? He said it was.
Was Jesse jackson's comment that he wanted to cut off Obama's balls a joke?
Gosh, I don't recall - what did the Rev. jackson say about that?
How about his boy's comments that Obama ought to unilaterally act to hire all unemployed at $40k per year?
A joke, or just the musings of an economic dolt?
But I LOVE AM's comment - yeah, with conservatives humor, people die. Like who AM?
How about a "Kent State" momment? Or Trumka's call for "Obama's Army?"
Did anyone die at Kent State? Do armies kill?
Guns don't kill people AM, union thugs kill people.
Well, the "popover candidate" just puffed his hollow shell up with more hot air.
Cain has no substance, no imagination, and no chance.
He is the wholly-owned creature of the Koch Brothers and gets his marching orders from their front group, Americans for Prospecrity. Yet when we examine what they tell him to say, we discover the only "prosperity" intended is more wealth for the Koch Brothers, and greater poverty for Americans!
Yeah, suspending elections. That wouldn't hurt anyone. It sure would make the Voter ID whine from the Left a none issue.
AM, your world is a tiny little space, filled with liberal ideas with a healthy mix of bs. You are in fact the Queen of the ever shrinking (due to global warming no doubt) Liberal Island.
Wow, no one blows the dog whistle better than Cain. I'll give him credit for that -- knowing his base consists of low-information voters who will never read or hear news about something being a "joke."
But isn't the problem really about enforcing laws already on the books as intended, including things like Roe v Wade and the Hyde amendment? Yet Teapublicans will obsess with passing redundant legislation over and over to please their theocratic fascist base. Pander to the 40% base all you want Teapublicans, you can't win a nation-wide election (despite voter suppression etc.) without votes from minorities, women, young people, etc.
Fake it "till you make it!
The punk knows all about this. Let's see your tax returns - LOL! Maybe you can win some money at a fast-food restaurant, then you can get Botox for the Mz. Oh now, don't get your panties in a wad, we won't Email this to her.
As stated earlier in the week, the American people don't need to drill-down into Cain's bogus 9-9-9 bumper sticker slogan. All voters need to know is Cain's plan would abolish Social Security. Cain's positions are even more extreme than Paul Ryan's or Perry's or any other GOP/TP candidate, and therefore he is unelectable.
Yep, John A. cause as we can see, Obama is all substance and performance.
Or is this the prosperity you were hoping for?
So gang - Class is gone, yet it accounted for a large part of the debt savings. Obamacare was passed on reconciliation, based upon the "revenue neutral" aspect, which again came in large part from the alleged Class savings.
So looks like we gota whole new avenue for repeal. I'm guessing some body will challenge the law on this basis.
Man, what a cluster. And do you see that Obama now says he will veto and attempt by the republicans to repeal Class.
WTF is this guy on? Just last Friday he said it was out, because is is unsustainable, and now he's changed jis mind?
These guys are fantastic.
The Black Walnut is about as funny as a freakin heart attack!
The latest flavor of the RWNJ's poll numbers will melt faster then Slick Rick's...
You almost make it too easy.
Does it matter? Neither "joke" is remotely funny. Are you misdirecting that since the Reverend has a @!$%#ty sense of humor, Mr. Cain is allowed to also "joke" in a grotesque fashion?
What the @!$%# does that have to do with Cain?
What the @!$%# does that have to do with Cain?
I'm LOVING the fact that your defense of Cain's inappropriate language is, "bu ... bu ... bu ... but THEY DID IT TOO!"
You're a piece of work. Can you come back to the topic at hand? Worst derail ever. What about Cain's implication that electrocuting human beings is a cool and funny thing? How about the frothing masses of supporters applauding?
Your cracks are showing, Spanks. Tisk tisk.
We only shoot back when the teapublicans take their pot shots ... though we prefer guillotines for the aristocracy.
Congratulations on swerving COMPLETELY off topic. Did you forget your meds today?
Obama sure did do this. A flip-flop made in record time. It's amazing the MSM isn't questioning the mans sanity, . . . yet.
It must be a blast, being Obama's cabinet. Something new everyday. If Sebelius had any guts, she'd resign today. Otherwise she's just another tool in the Obama administration.
And it looks like the Pope is on-board with the OWS crowd, well, at least according to Suzy Sarandon: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/susan-sarandon-pope-a-nazi-occupy-wall-street-249260
JAS1 --
What on God's green Earth does Susan Sarandon, the Pope or OWS have to do with Herman Cain "joking" about electrifying a division fence between the United States and South America OR the fact the the party-paid-for-by-Koch supporters applauded?
I mean, I am sure you have some sort of correlation drawn in your brain ... I'd just love to read it for myself.
Oh my Feisty, you hypocrite; if I called Cain the "Black Walnut" you and your lefty cronies would be on my front porch with big RACIST signs!
treetopflyer:
I have to honestly question whether or not you understand the immigration situation today. Ignoring illegal immigration and temporary visas, our whole legal immigration process is a joke.
Case in point, my cousin married a woman from Indonesia. She originally fled to the USA at the age of 18 for religious asylum (for converting to Christianity). Thankfully her father had enough financial resources to help his daughter start over in a country when her life wouldn't be in danger because of her faith. Even though she didn't speak a word of English, this woman managed to become fluent in American English and got a degree as a Mechanical Engineer. She was hired by the Limited clothing empire here in central Ohio (since that's where Wexnor lives). Even with the Limited's influence, she was only able to get her green card and was still jumping through the endless hoops of the citizenship game after spending 10 years in this country.
My cousin-in-law is a poster child for the cliche situation of an immigrant coming to America in hopes of achieving the "American dream". Regardless of her passionate pride in this country and her diligence in completing paperwork, she still wasn't able to become a citizen. (From all of the reports that I've read, the average time frame seems to be 10-15 years of bureacracy.) Even with a stable job and a powerful corporate sponsor, she was powerless.
If Cain seriously wants to change this process into something more sane, then more power to him. It will be one of the few areas where he and I see completely eye to eye.
Susan Sarandon- what a pathetic display.
She went down to lend support to the occupiers- and they had no idea who she was- hence this latest blatant attempt to stir up controversy.
I guess it really is true- if you're a liberal after thirty, you have no brain. . .
Cain. Electrocution. Tea Party. Applauding.
We good now? Back on track, kiddo? Excellent.
I'd as soon be a "brainless" liberal after 30, then be a [snicker] "conservative" with the sort of attention span y'all are displaying.
YO - PAY attention!!!
Cain called himself that... I'm only spreading his message... lol
Yes really.
I hope it wasn't a joke....build the fence.
Put warning signs on it, if they fry themselves, so be it. They did it to themselves trying to illegally enter a country.
Do you feel sorry for the prisoner that get shot trying to escape? Or the thief that dies because he tries to climb an electric fence?
They're criminals. They were warned. What happens beyond that is their decision.
If you listen to Cain's speech, it doesn't sound like a joke at all. The video is here:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/watch-herman-cains-electrified-border-fence-joke.php?ref=fpblg
spider-737231
Actually Cain told the media to call him the black walnut - so I think it's fair game in this instance...
So it's cool if I call Obama "Barack the Magic Negro" then since it was Al Sharpton who said it first? Cool. Thanks guys.
I consider my politics to be Liberalto Moderate, but I have tro agree. Illegal Immigration has got to be stopped and if you came here of your own resolve without following the rules and waiting your turn you deserve what you get. On the other hand if you came here as a child and your parents brought you here and you are now an adult then there should be a path for citizenship, such as military duty. Anyone that signs up to serve in the military should be granted immediate citizenship. If you get dis-honorably discharged then your citizenship is revoked.
[Actually Cain told the media to call him the black walnut - so I think it's fair game in this instance...]
I agree...Fox "Super-douche" co-twit Steve Doocy coined the phrase "teabaggers", so if Fox said it, it MUST be true, right?
Actually it was Rush Limpballs who played it on his radio show...
Not surprising coming from someone who couldn't recognize a fact if it bit them on their ass...
Now go sit back down at the newly minted troll table... tick tock...
Here we go again, my party is better then your party heard the same thing over the weekend but it was two 4 year olds, hard to tell you guys apart.
If you electrify the top of the fence, how could anyone be accidentally killed?
Herman Cain is pandering to the worst instincts in the republican party. His campaign has been rift with mean spiritedness. He is appealing to whites who want to see minorities suppressed.
I want to see the look on Cain's face when the republicans kick him to the curb. It is going to happen.
Here is my scenario. The republicans really do not want Romney. But, he is preferable to Cain. That is why the furious talks to get the Christie endorsement. Look for a Romney-Christie ticket. Whne the GOP gets through with Cain, he will be lucky if he could get elected to President of the Usher Board at his church.
Actually, Barack the Magic Negro came from a column in the LA Times, written by a black journalist......pay attention, Feisty!
Actually "Magic Negro" first came from a L.A. Times article on March 19, 2007 by David Ehrenstein. Rush took the Headline and made a song parity out of it.
The dictionary gives us several definitions for the word "army," Spanky. Look it up sometime. You might actually learn something.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/army
Maybe Trumka meant an "army of waiters." Or just an "army of people who are fed up with people like Spanky."
Union members did not kill the protesters at Kent State, Spanky. Try looking that up, too. Your attempt to link those two things is totally despicable.
In short, just about par for your course.
What's common about protest violence, at least recently in the U.S., and including Kent State, is that the true violence starts with law enforcement.
Remember how frustrated Scott Walker got when the crowds in Madison were peaceful? They were so peaceful that he told the faux David Koch caller he was thinking about ginning up a little violence for the media, even if that meant faking violence against himself.
But thanks for calling attention to another fine example of how conservatives think.
If you can't win fairly, play dirty.
Al,
The reason so many hate Herman Cain is because he doesn't "pander" to any groups. The fact is Democrats hate him, Media hates him, and Republican establishment types who never do anything once in power that is actually conservative hate him. Those are some of the very reasons many real people like him.
NO!
YOU pay attention spider;
You figure it out. It seems pretty obvious to me.
My question for conservatives is what's so funny about Cain's comment?
I'm still waiting for someone to illuminate that for me.
FR: "Not surprising coming from someone who couldn't recognize a fact if it bit them on their ass."
Hey FR, with all your constant nasty name calling of Repubs/Conservatives, why would you feel "sickened" by a parody on the radio? Aren't you a graduate of the School of Sniping and Derision (minus the facts) ??
It's like Republicans INSIST their candidates be both successful, AND crazy or stupid (or both). If they ever find a sane, smart and successful candidate to run, LOOK OUT. I'd say the chances of that are pretty slim, unless they look outside the party...
You have an obvious explanation for being at the top of a high fence?
Let's hear it.
You want to know what is funny? The Democrat Party, that is who!
They claim to be for the little guy, but they promote big business having slave labor and forcing the rest of the workforce to suffer!
“What’s insensitive is when they come to the United States across our border and kill our citizens, and kill our border patrol people.”
Thanks liberals for criticizing his words and thereby proving the point he was making about REALITY.
Forget the victims, forget legal-immigrants, how dare someone not be sensitive to free-loading, opportunistic criminals.
Liberalism: political correctness to the point of self-loathing.
Sure. I already stated it above. You're a child and you're being lifted over by your parents. You accidentally touch the fence. You're electrocuted.
That's the easy one.
Harder ones are those who die while they are just trying to find a new life, not to run drugs or guns. They may deserve to be sent back, but they don't deserve to die.
And I'm still waiting for your answer as to what's funny about Cain's comment.
Your little diversion tactic is a total FAIL.
Anna Molly,
I don't speak for Herman Cain, so I can't answer that, and won't try. (sound familiar)
Ok - I will actually try to answer.
What Cain said was
Notice the "it can kill you" not it WILL kill you. I think the better way to describe his whole comment is to say he said it in jest (don't take it literally). His overall point being we need to stop worrying about what criminals think and do what is best for America even if it offends some people. The reason I think it is somewhat funny is the way he said it, kind of like a "I don't care what they think" "we'll build a fence 20 feet high, barbed wire, electrified" it was kind of screw you and what you think, I'm suprised he didn't add an alligator pit and moat. You don't really think his immigration policy is centered around a wire fence? Even electrified it wouldn't stop anyone. It's just funny how he says things that gets everyone all huffy, he doesn't think everyone should be so sensitive so he made a comment in jest to pock fun.
When a candidate for the Presidency of the United States can make jokes about the killing of people in the United States, and be DEFENDED by those who would otherwise call themselves human beings, I think his 15 minutes are long past up. THis is why the extremists can never be taken seriously. They can't even pretend to be human.
Even Cain knows he's not a real candidate (no campaign and no campaign staff
Why does it surprise anyone that the GOP talking points are all a joke? That's all the party has become - a total joke. Just not a funny one.
First of all he was not speaking of killing people IN THE United States.
Second, Obama has Actually assassinated American Citizens and you have said nothing.
Bullsh*t. Not all liberals are PC.
Case in point, what bothers me more than this pandering c*nt's comment is the applause he got.
Yup. I said it.
It seems to me that you all are missing the point. There is a legal route to citizenship. Some of you may be surprised to know that if you try to enter ANY other country illegally you will be arrested and deported. Why shouldn’t America have a similar policy.
Go scale the fence to the White House.
You will get shot!
How can that be?
Huh?! Poke fun at what?
No one else who heard him say it thinks he meant it as a joke. He only said that later when he realized what a totally lame and insensitive thing he had just said.
But Cain evidently forgot that hilarious detail about the moat and the alligator, just to show what a really funny joke it was. Just like a fantasy, you know? Like a fairy tale with a happy ending where the blood's not real, no one gets electrocuted, no one gets eaten by monsters, and everyone just returns to Mexico and lives happily ever after.
I'm glad you were here to add that important detail, and to reassure us that the fence Cain proposed in all seriousness wouldn't really work and was obviously just a metaphor for ... for ...
... Well, I still don't get the humor in it, but thanks for playing, anyway.
We do have a deportation policy. In fact, Obama has sent more illegals packing than ole "conservative" Dubbya. This is old news.
You're the one missing the point. The point of the outrage is the mob applauding the suggestion that death of illegals scaling a fence by electrocution would be a viable solution to the immigration "problem."
Great America,
You make an excellent point, but you have to understand the narrative. Democrats and the Media are terrified of Herman Cain and have been attacking him in stories daily. They have even written nice stories about Mitt Romney because they can't have someone like Cain as the GOP nominee, it discredits everything they've ever said about Republicans. Trust me it will get worse as Cain continues to pick up support.
It isn't all that common to bring babies when you try to scale the fence at the White House, now is it?
But make a note to myself about that -- Don't electrify the babies, that was just a joke -- Instead, just shoot them.
Hyperbole and Hypocrisy 101
No one should have to die because they want a better life.
@ Anna Molly
Here's a radical thought, how about they stay at home and make a better country for themselves?   That way they wouldn't have to see "little innocent children die from electrocution while being lifted over electric fences by their parents trying desperately to enter this country to make a better life for themselves.....". Very well written, btw. The perfect amount of overwrought drama. Do you write for daytime Telemundo, perhaps? ;)
Immigrants seem to have a lot of national pride in their country of origin, once they are here. Yet rather than remaining and working to change the course of their own country, and the lives of future generations, i.e., the "innocent children", they flee. And generation after generation continues to use the "better life" excuse as a means to leave and continue the cycle of doing nothing. We always hear from the left what hard working, smart, law-abiding citizens these immigrants are, which I'm sure is true of many. But my question is this. If there are so many of these hard working, smart, law-abiding citizens in these other countries, why is it that they can't seem to figure out how to prosper? Have all the smart, hard working, patriotic ones left? It's not as if Mexico is lacking in natural resources. Hell, they are neighbors to the most powerful and prosperous nation in history. Yet they can't seem to figure out quite how to leverage that.
As far as Herman Cain and his "joke" goes. Who cares, Its ALL only words. Some may think its in poor taste, others won't. Thats the beauty of being human , we are all different and we can all choose to find humor (or not) in whatever we like.
Anyone entering this country illegally is a criminal. You can talk all you want about parents lifting their children over a fence for a chance at a better life, but that doesn't make the act less criminal. The electric fence will probably never be erected, but if it were and it electrocuted 100 people and if just one of em were on the path to kill one of our border patrol or any other law abiding American citizen for that matter, then it would be well worth the criticism coming from all you liberals.
You know, all of you people talking about people coming here illegally being ok could band together and donate some of your money to help them out in thier own country if you feel so sorry for them, or take it upon yourselves to sponsor as many of them as you can so that they can enter the country legally. Or you can just sit and blame everyone else for what is happening to our country. Research just how much of the border states budgets go into caring for the illegal population. When you finish, look into just how much the federal government spends on the same issue.
Well honestly, you and every other bleeding heart.
There is real blood, it's just being shed by Border Agents and Americans who happen to live on a border their government doesn't want to protect. What?? No Bleeding heart for them?
Oh, I see, since you don't get the humor, and like you said most everyone else who heard it didn't get it, then no explanation was ever going to be good enough or excepted. Wow, and you wonder why no one was answering you. Whether a bad joke, or a stupid comment he later backed off, I really don't care, we have a real problem on the border and in our economy, and people need to decide who will best fix those problems Obama or Cain, or someone else. Cain and the people cheering offend you, fine don't vote for him, I'm offended that our economy continues to suck, I'm offended that our border agents get killed, I'm offended that you can support OWS people who have mentioned violence but take issue with Cains statement. Now that were both offended, let me just state I don't care if you and others are offended, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
Herman Cain is a man of character poverty always welcomed by the religiously impaired and character inpoverished dolts who worship "tea party republicans". No joke about it. Sadness aplenty.
Oh the communist morons of America take offense. Too bad he is joking because if he was serious about building that electric fence he'd actually get my vote.
Logic Required:
The fact that you are apparently so eager to dismiss so many people you dislike and/or disagree with as not being "real people" tells us all we need to know about your viewpoint. What's more, if Cain is as you say not pandering to any groups it is only because he does not know how. Look at any expert's analysis of the man's proposed policies and you will find that every single one of them has said that they would be disastrous.
Our country is not a simple thing, and simple legislation by a simple man will do nothing more than cause further damage to it. The only Republican candidate who has my respect at this point is Romney because he, unlike all the others, had the courage to actually say that the type of plan that can be summed up in a soundbyte isn't going to help our country. THAT is a man refusing to pander to his constituency.
Cain, however, bases all of his ideas on a willful ignorance of the true complexity of the problems facing us. If all it would take to fix this country was a simple flat tax rate, don't you think we'd have done it by now? And don't you think that perhaps there's a reason we stopped using a uniform tax rate?
Our country is in a crisis. The normally high stakes of any election are even higher now. If you truly care about this country, the only responsible thing to do is to elect the most capable person you can to the government. Cain has run on a platform based on the rather absurd idea that everyone currently in the government knows how to fix things, but chooses not to. That anyone, even a man who has only ever run a relatively small, unimportant chain of restauraunts, could step into the role of president and sort it out. Do you really think that's the kind of man who could fix our country?
Say what you want about Obama, he has never claimed that there is an easy fix for us, and that takes a lot more conviction and courage to say these days when far too many people are offended by the very notion that our leaders might actually face up to the challenges faced by our country instead of just providing an immediate solution.
Wiser with Age,
Thanks for pointing out just ONE of the many serious flaws with our current immigration rules.
Unfortunately, yu can get more votes by clamoring to murder immigrants in cold blood or slaughter them wholesale than you can by pointing out that we would do better to help immigrants assimilate than to pass silly laws making it a CRIME for some people to work.
You just said what, why would we build a fence between Panama and Columbia? Mexico is not South America. You show that you have no idea about anything global. "Mexico is part of what continent?" is a 3rd grade question. Jeff Foxworthy would be very disappointed. Of course this lack of intelligence makes all of your posts WORTHLESS.
I think Cain is just in the running to create turmoil among all the republican candidates, in order to divert attention away from President Obama’s failures and all the corruption currently being exposed. If Cain can knock Romney out of it, President Obama stands a better chance against all the weaker republican candidates. I think secretly Cain is an Obama supporter.
Cain worked for the Kock -- sorry, Koch -- brothers. The very cretins chering his "joke" support a party essentially financed by the Kochs and their brethern. Cain is the real deal, unfortunately.
With that said, I don't have any faith that any of these fools running for the Oval Office (including the incumbent) have our best interests at heart.
... "our" being the middle class, for clarification. I give two sh*ts about the 1%; they'll somehow manage without their cronies on The Hill.
Term limits in Congress. Massive reorganization and regulation of the lobby and finance industries. Get a true, critical eye on the Federal Reserve. Repeal NAFTA. Repeal CAFTA. End the farce of these international trade "agreements." Reward companies for hiring Americans. Punish those that continue to f*ck the working class. Amnesty the illegal working population. Fix the f*cking tax code.
DO. SOMETHING. CONSTRUCTIVE.
Oh contraire, mon ami ~ he definitely has a campaign and its manager if the former CEO of the Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity. Several on Cain's inner circle are former Koch-AFP employees. Cain was a paid speaker for AFP, traveling across the country giving motivations speeches for the ultra-rightwing organization. He was a Koch paid employee. Now do you wonder why he is so reluctant to identify his "economic advisors?" Their names are Charles and David.
Well said, my dear man. Upvote coming your way.
Hmm, Cain just topped Obama in a poll held today. Scaring you guys that are blasting him? I would much rather see President Cain than the joke we have in office today!
Why are we upset about zapping illegal invaders again??? I would be fine with Canada and Mexico doing the same to keep illegal Americans out. Oh wait, a whole lot of liberal draft dodgers would be dead right now had that been in place. I'm starting to see how all the pieces fit together here. Left wing scum need open borders in times of draft dodging.
Logic Required- Well someone in the republican party likes him because he has soared to number one in the polls.
I would disagree that he doesn't pander to any groups. His relentless putdown of the black community, his own community, is pandering to white racists. He says the things about blacks that whites cannot say. Ther recent revelation of his association with the Koch brothers tell it all.
However, I do agree that the republican establishment will never back him. His lack money in his war chest is a testament to that fact.
Cain opened himself up for more criticism yesterday by reponding to a question aobut the seriousness of his candidacy with a plug for his book. This guy is a piece of work.
Remember, it was after his comments bashing blacks as "brainwashed" that he began to rise in the polls.
You can tell Cain is always on the verge of saying something really, really, stupid. The only scary part is that his followers don't even know it when he does.
Al,
Um, no it wasn't. It was after a surprise victory in the Florida straw poll after a debate that has in rising in the polls. Besides that his "brainwashed" comments don't appeal to racist because he is saying blacks vote for democrats and back the Democratic party because they have been "brainwashed" to believe the democrats will help them. He says those blacks who are not brainwashed become republicans. You think Racist republicans want hoards of blacks joining their party? The fact is republicans aren't racist no matter how times those on the left say it, it still won't be true. And as far as he relationship with the Koch Brothers go, I don't really care. Just like you don't care about Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, George Soros, or the anti-semitic reverand Wright. The reason Cain is attacked so much more then Romney, Perry, or Obama for that matter is because he is a black republican and liberals only like blacks when they no their place. Liberals want blacks poor, on government assistance, and voting for democrats. If your black and don't fall into one of those categories your ridiculed and attacked. (Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Walter E. Williams, Alan Keyes, Condoleezza Rice, J.C. Watts, Janice Rodgers Brown, ect.. ) All attacked by liberals and their media allies for not towing the liberal line.
Hell, I won't split hairs. I kinda hope he is not joking. Protecting the boarder's of the US is one of the basic jobs of the government. I'd bring our troops home from the middle east, put up Hadrian's wall on the southern boarder, and station a brigade or two on it. If you make it though that then you are the kind of person we want here and we will trade Mexico 10 "I deserve free $&#@" American's for one hard working Mexican.
This is what Herman should have said;
1) build an electric fence;
2) enforce the immigration laws that are already in place; and
3) empower the states to enforce the laws that the federal government does not.
If we wanted to keep the Mexicans south of the boarder all we would need to do is lay a line of those gray rubber things we put between each other's groceries on the conveyer belt at the grocery.
No one ever messes with those things and no one would ever cross that line.
It would be a lot easier to "zap" the demand. Illegals come here for 2 reasons: jobs and school for their kids.
1. no school for kids of illegals. Motivation gone. We're stuckwith anchor babies. The law is the law-- for now. Not worth the argument right now.
2. Jail time for business owners hiring them. Safe harbor for using IVerify or a "visiting worker" program. Motivation gone.
3. a "visiting worker" program cuz we DO need the cheap labor. It just needs to be managed. Not H1B but something actually supervised and maybe seasonal.
4. green card but no path to citizenship for those who come clean. Takes the whole Future Voters angle off the table.
then see how that works out.
In Arizona on Monday, Cain backed away from the electrification of the fence being a joke. While courting supporters, he stated to the local news that an electrified fence needs to be considered.
Doesn't sound like a joke to me. Remember that Hitler joked in 1934 about a 'final solution for the jews', and Arafat tried to change his 'run the jews into the med' statement into a joke.
The only thing to take from this post - is that politicians words are serious. Never assume that a joke is only a joke. And what is 'funny' to one person may be very serious to another.
Logic Required:
Um, no it wasn't. It was after a surprise victory in the Florida straw poll after a debate that has in rising in the polls. Besides that his "brainwashed" comments don't appeal to racist because he is saying blacks vote for democrats and back the Democratic party because they have been "brainwashed" to believe the democrats will help them. He says those blacks who are not brainwashed become republicans. You think Racist republicans want hoards of blacks joining their party? The fact is republicans aren't racist no matter how times those on the left say it, it still won't be true.
Cain's brainwash comment came four days after his straw poll vistory in Florida. So, we can debate which had the most impact. All republicans are not racist, but their recalcitrance in rebuking the extreme elements of the party who appeal to the baser racist instincts is telling. The republican party has done absolutely nothing to reach out to black americans. They never wanted Michael Steele in as Chair of teh RNC and got him out as soon as they could. This party loves contented blacks who believe that america has been great to them as a people in spite of incontrovertible evidence to teh contrary.
And as far as he relationship with the Koch Brothers go, I don't really care. Just like you don't care about Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, George Soros, or the anti-semitic reverand Wright.
Big difference. Obama has never said or done anything to suggest that he holds any of the alleged views of those you mentioned. The Koch brothers are trying to push the clock back and Herman Cain is pinning the hour hand counterclockwise. By the way, Bill Ayers was sixies revolutionary who is now a retired professor who had been accepted into Chicago political circles long before he met Barack Obama. Reverend Wright has been critical of some elements of he Jewish community with regard to their behavior in certain situations. Obama has Jewish advisors.What is your problem with George Soros?
The reason Cain is attacked so much more then Romney, Perry, or Obama for that matter is because he is a black republican and liberals only like blacks when they no their place. Liberals want blacks poor, on government assistance, and voting for democrats. If your black and don't fall into one of those categories your ridiculed and attacked. (Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Walter E. Williams, Alan Keyes, Condoleezza Rice, J.C. Watts, Janice Rodgers Brown, ect.. ) All attacked by liberals and their media allies for not towing the liberal line.
Republicans like blacks who know their place. All of the "blacks" you mention tow the republican line. With the exception of Watts and Rice, they all have criticized their own people to the delight of republican right wing extremists. These republicans want blacks who believe in white supremacy. But the ultimate counter to your argument is from which party did the first black president emerge?? Right.
It is a good idea. Period. Protect the borders.
People are so desperate for jobs who cares if it means work!
Please, is Cain himself not a joke?
Explain PEN.
He is a very successful business man, who started with nothing and is now a self made millionaire.
If he's a joke PEN, what does that make you?
Forrest - how many jobs are lost to illegals? Think getting rid of a few million illegals might 1. open up some jobs, and 2. raise wages in existing jobs?
Spanky,
1. No. Any jobs illegal have is because nobody else wanted them.
2. No. You think employers are going to raise wages just because they can't hire illegals? Besides, I thought teabaggers like you didn't believe in the minimum wage, which is the only reason they'd raise wages.
"He is a very successful business man, who started with nothing and is now a self made millionaire."
"If he's a joke PEN, what does that make you?"
So, it's only aobut the money, then, that determines what someone is?
Charles Keating was rich. Great guy, huh, Spanks. How about DB Cooper?
Seems he had quite a bit of dough on him last time anyone saw him.....
So nobody wants to be a cop?
articles.cnn.com/2011-04-25/justice/alaska.officer.accused_1_illegal-immigrant-police-officer-passport-fraud?_s=PM:CRIME
What about a journalist
www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/magazine/my-life-as-an-undocumented-immigrant.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Care to revise your statement?
PEN didn't say it's "only" about the money, drive-by, so quit putting words in his mouth to support your characteriscally snarky leftist attack on Cain.
I guess no one wants to work construction, be a roofer, plumber.
And there are no no illegal hotel maids, bus boys, caretakers.
Huh. Who knew.
What an idiotic argument.
I'm all for it Spanky, I think he stole the idea from me, I said something this silly last week, it can be the new high voltage, high energy, high tech smart electrical grid we need anyway, if it has to double as a giant "bug zapper" as well, to get it past republicans in Congress, then it is what it is. I'll tell you one thing, it won't discriminate by checking any particular person for an ID, or a passport.
Yes and you wouldn't have a prayer's chance of being taken seriously as a leader either.
And the fence will stop about as many immigrants as the bug zapper in your yard stops mosquitoes. Since the majority of "illegal" immigrants are the ones who overstay their legal student temp. worker or other visas, building the fence is just a big, flashy, do nothing goverment jobs program. But hey, if it puts a few hundred thousand contractors to work, I say go for it. But what will we do when the Mexican's put one up on their side in a few years preventing US from going down there ?
I guess all those illegals sopping up construction and landscaping jobs hanging out at box stores and dunkin donuts are college grads. If the fence stops 30 percent that will mean less food stamps, less welfare expense and less strain on healthcare. They use the emergency room as free medical care. By the way try to illegally immigrate to mexico. I say let the illegals that are caught help build the fence and compensate them for their labor. Then we give them what they want and we get what we want.
[I guess no one wants to work construction, be a roofer, plumber. And there are no no illegal hotel maids, bus boys, caretakers.]
Why would they when scumbags like yourself look down on them...you think these people are there for your amusement.
Raising wages is NEVER the answer to our problems. Big Business is NOT going to lose any money. If they have to pay their minimum wage employees more, they are going to pass that cost on to their CONSUMERS. Think about how prices jump right around the time minimum wage increases go into effect. That dollar an hour that a worker is making is "eaten up" by higher food costs. Think about how many minimum wage people touch your food from production to the time you drive your car home.
Is your disconnect that profound? I'm certain that you're not implying that "law abiding citizens" could manage a mortgage, college tuition for the kids, etc. on the slave wages these immigrants are working for. Never mind retirement savings or health care.
Without strong wage regulation, the contractors and corporate bosses enable this underground labor force. You know that, right? I mean -- despite all appearances -- i am sure you have a reasonable grasp on that reality
Or is the handle of that silver spoon firmly crammed down your throat obscuring all this from your vision?
Funny stuff, so called good christians stating and applauding the killing of human beings. Spanky spouting off how if you're a self made millionaire your a great guy. I guess those cartel dudes are super great guys since they are all multi-billionaires and love to kill innocent human beings. You got to love those comedic right wingers.... Keep the jokes, the entire repub candidate crowd, coming.
So Cain uses this electrocution line to get "raucous applause" at Tea Party rallies----the same folks who applaud at Texas executions, people dying without medical care since they don't have insurance and who feel they should boo gay servicemen. Then he says it was a "joke". I think the joke is on Mr. Cain and his supporters.
I'm guessing we are exactly on same page... we wrote almost exact same things... this is truly a sad point where we find ourselves as a nation.
Agree, Tunde---I don't know which is more discouraging---the people in these crowds who act this way or the candidates who pander to them.
Wow, three previous commentors, it must be nice to be so damned self-righteous. What's really discouraging, Steeler Fan, is a buch of lefties attacking Cain for being a successful conservative....how dare he!
Steeler Fan are you better off now then 10- years a go?
Yes (despite George Bush's best efforts...yes).
So much sympathy for criminals, any for the Border Agents being killed? How about the American Citizens being kidnapped? Grow up, your the same people who support the OWS crowd who has called on re education camps and beheadings of CEO's.
AP, spoken like a true party hack, play on Pied Piper watch the children follow.
Steeler Fan, I suggest you take the community shower with the gay soldier.
Strawman. I'm challenging you to point to one post -- one single post -- applauding the murder of a border agent.
Just one.
Let it go. You're beaten that dead horse into a muddy puddle.
Talk about a straw man, where did I say anyone was applauding. I said you post all your sympathetic comments about criminals. What I don't ever see is any sympathetic comments about all the people and families who are suffering because of the open borders and criminals running wild. You go and find me one post that shows concern of our the border situation, that also criticizes Cain.
Bottom line, there would be nothing wrong with such a fence. The only people hurt, would be those sneaking into a country they are not allowed to sneak into....
Was it a joke? Who cares- the guy's only got another couple of weeks to be in the spotlight, anyway.
Speaking of "jokes", MSNBC , it is OK to have a bit of fun about Herman Cain's pizza connection, and point out he was "the former Godfather's Pizza CEO".
...but to always describe Mr Cain exclusively by one position he held borders on deprecating and mocking him. Mr Cain has served in many other positions , including the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and as a succesful radio talk show host.
Cant say it is surprising for MSNBC, the official Obama shill network.
Gee, Bob- you're right. Cain is the most qualified guy the GOP could come up with. I say, the Repubs SHOULD make him the nominee RIGHT NOW!
You're full of some good ides some days, Bob.
Yep. Some real doozies.
What's your point? He WAS the former Godfather's Pizza CEO. No joke there. What is being extremely underplayed, though, are his vocal abilities, or lack thereof. Now, THERE'S the joke!
What you may not know about Herman Cain who is running for president....
He’s not a career politician (in fact he has never held political office). He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a lot more to him. He’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy.
Here’s his bio:
All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—
STACK THAT UP AGAINST THE 'COMMUNITY ORGANIZER'....
Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.
Wow boblotanumbers, nice cut and paste job. The government is NOT a business....So if you think that Mr. Cain's 999 plan is great for the middle class, I have news for you. You have been mis informed.
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer and as you connies like to point out a failure.
Herbert Hoover...You know what happened.
FDR had no biz experience
Truman Failed as a haberdasher.
Eisenhower led our forces in WW2 had no biz experience.
Kennedy had no biz experience.
Johnson owned some radio stations in Texass.
Nixon had no biz experience.
Ford was a career politician like Nixon
Reagan had no biz experience.
Bush 1 had none either.
Bush 2 failed at every biz he had a hand in.
NOW WHAT'S YOUR POINT!!!!
Well, Bob, President Obama was a community organizer for a few years, after which he worked in a law firm, was a Constitutional Law Professor at a major U.S. law school, was a state representative and was elected to the U.S. Senate yet you folks always stop at the "community organizer"---as if that were something to be ashamed of.
Rob.... impressive CV. He is still a BS artist! 9 9 9 my behind! He's be told time and time again, that his 9 9 9 plan will not fly... it is so funny when tries to explain after he's been told it will not work! LOL He's fast becoming one of the biggest jokes of the Tea heads/Repubs! Someone give him a business to run... he's lost his mind if he thinks he will be nominated by the GOP. He thinks way too much of himself.
Your right about our government not being a business. If it was, it would have bankrupt a looooong time ago. Change is hard folks, get used to it.
FR -- Can we add a reporting category for combining bold with large text and all caps? That's the same as shouting, really.
Wrong Steeler Fan.
Obama was NEVER a Professor- of Constitutional law, or anything else.
He was an instructor on fellowship to write a book about race relations. He had two year, extended three times, to produce said book.
The book that finally came out? Dreams of My Father
Not a book on race relations- a bloody autobiography, written by some one THIRTY YEARS OLD.
Feeling he had not done himself justice in the first autobiography, he wrote a second one-The Audacity of Hope.
He got three bites at the tenure apple- two more than U of C gives anyone-and failed.
So, no, he was never a professor. Not even close.
The law firm gig came after that failure. Did not last long- he never sat for the bar exam.
That's when he became a Community Organizer. It's a pretty saw gig for somebody of his "talents". See, nobody can evaluate success or failure in that "job"- so, it was a pretty good launching platform for his political career.
The next job he had where his performance COULD be evaluated in terms of success or failure is the one he holds now.
He's about to get fired.
I have no problems with Cain's qualifications. I do have a problem with his policy proposals and his stands on the issues which I feel are more than enough to not want him to be the next president.
Differing opinions are one thing and some partisanship is expected, but juvenile name calling and demeaning statements are a bit over the top.
It is obvious that many Americans feel an outsider with business ethic and a strong track record of profitable business practices is favorable rather than another four years of this President.
When the opposition party has a candidate with a dismal track record, the attacks seem to intensify more as they have for any of the Republican candidates. I read several who talk about the number of GOP candidates running today. Was it so long ago, when the Democrats had a host of candidates running, with little or no hard questions about their style of governing or programs they planned to offer the public?
Before we go out in left field, let's wait until the finals when those difficult questions can be fielded to the two candidates who will run for their respective party.
We are more than a year out people - a lot can happen between now and then to influence the election.
Yesterday I drove along the the Mexico U.S. Border from Columbus NM to Douglas AZ. I saw scores of border patrol agents in their brand new fancy border patrol 4 x 4's and two brand spanking new border patrol stations that must have cost millions. Just outside of Tombstone AZ, I was stopped at a checkpoint to verify my identity as a U.S. citizen.
Tell me connies, do you really think this is helping with all these new gubment jobs when we have the National Guard?
If we "build the fence," how much is going to cost and how will we pay for it?
And wouldn't it be better to re-institute the braccero program of the 60's allowing seasonal workers to move across the border and send money to their families, then return to Mexico? Cain's 999 plan would tax em. Right?
So tell me connies, how is the big bad Terrorist Industrial Complex working out for ya? Ya'll really go me scared now!
Just askin!
It's cool Torpedo - Alabama is showing us the way, much like your fine state.
Go after them and they will leave all by themselves.
Better to get rid of them all, get Americans hired, and wages up. Illegals do nothing other than depress wages.
Isn't that what you libbies just hate? Fair wage and all that crap?
But I'm with you - reduce the border patrol and use the military/Nat. Guard. Especially since the ATF has seen fit to arm them with weapons and grenades. The poor Border Patrol doesn't have the fire power, as Jason Terry found out.
It's not possible, let alone economically feasible to build a fence along our entire southern border -- Unless private land is confiscated and we would rather go broke doing it. We just need to enforce the laws we already have. And for Cain and his ilk, we're only broke when it comes to domestic matters like disaster aid.
If we taxed money repatriated to Mexico (Western Union) as well as money repatriated from US corporations offshore to here, that sounds fair. Let's ask one of the Teapublican clowns about that idea. Let me guess, it would be ignored just like nation-building here, or even military bases here instead of abroad (I'm talking to you Cantor). Friggin' treasonous right-wing hypocrites.
Gawd you mean we agree about the ATF? AND they National Guard? Holy Sh*t!!
Funny you couldn't parse an intelligent comment on the situation in Aleeebameee. Ya see none of the natives want to break their backs in the field or work in the slaughter houses (construction is in the crapper but you may have a point there) so the the price of produce and meat is going to go thru the roof which kinda puts your argument in the crapper.
Then again I offered a solution with the Bracero Program. Which means we could ID em, track em, and collect TAXES from em. But hell all we get are crickets from the right or some jingoistic racist crap.
Comon now Spank tell us what does that big lawyer brain of yours say?
After all...I am trying to be "fair and balanced" here.
Just like construction and all the other occupations where wages are depressed by illegals, they will necessarily go up, BUT all the health care, education and other costs will go down, with strict enforcement - against employers.
In fact many of the fine youth down at OWS could use some time in the fields.
Strict enforcement - like your state, Alabama, and all the others right behind.
It's coming and there is nothing that will prevent it in most states. then all the illegals will over run Cali, Ill and the blue states.
It's cool. Besides we both know you love Big Lawyer Brains, right Torpedo?
Wow you guys all sound so patriotic I think we should re institute the draft and show your true patriotism whose with me?
So much for patriotism.
Another war for oil? No thanks. Oh wait, you got a new boogyman in the closet? Do tell! Lemmie guess ... it's one of the A-Rab countries. [rolling eyes]
Let's ask the last generation thrown to the wolves via the draft how they felt about getting buttf*cked by their government.
Do people actually believe Cain will get the nomination from the Republican party? His 999 plan is a joke and the tools who would perhaps vote for him are likely to get screwed by him. Congress will never pass a plan like that...period!! As far as people who say that Cain's business background is a better qualifier, Jon Corzine was governor of NJ and a big executive of Goldman Sachs and he turned out to be a total financial disaster. If a plan such as 999 becomes 13-13-13 will you Cain bandwagon supporters feel the pinch then? Overnight the cost of basic needs would skyrocket while your take home paycheck would dramatically shrink.
As a Democrat watching this GOP saga unfold it is utterly fascinating.
Unfortunately - if you are a Mitt Romney fan - it is the far-right Tea Party and Evangelical types who tend to vote in GOP caucuses and primaries. And they will not hold this against Herman Cain.
Obviously Cain realized before his MTP appearance that this statement - whether initially said in jest or not - should not be something that was out there.
There are so many unhappy Tea Partiers looking at the prospect of a Mitt candidacy. They are reading story after story that says their movement will be declared dead if Mitt is the GOP nominee. And they are not ready to pack up and go away.
I am seeing this play out as either a "settle" election for the GOP - ala 1996 with Dole or 2008 with McCain - where they nominate steady Mitt who will lose because he will not generate any excitement in the base who would rather hold out for 2016 - or a "radical" election where the GOP goes with someone like Cain. I think Cain would give them a better shot - so I hope they go with Mitt!!
Even though I'm not a tea party member I can assure you that the tea party will be out there voting with near 100% voter turnout amongst their ranks.
They want obama GONE period.
Rob what about the 100% that want the republican party gone.
[Even though I'm not a tea party member...]
...that was a good one, Raab...
...and I believe Cain will be our next president...
Tis - "Rob what about the 100% that want the republican party gone."
They can vote for whoever they want in their country's election, as you have seen in the polls and last November American taxpayers are disgusted by what the Democrats have done.
Here's a news flash ... 12% approval rating for the entirety of Congress. Even more poignant: the dissatisfaction is higher amongst the Repulicans than the Democrats. But regardless of party-affiliation, what part about NONE of these f*ckers are serving you or me are you not getting?
I'll say it again: clear The Hill. Demand term limits. Keep voting these bums out until we get people up there who can remember they serve the people.
Oh, YJSW, but money talks to Congress. Even the Chinese are in on the game. Our own system has defeated us.
You are right and I will not be voting for an incumbent. All of this makes Barry Goldwater look like a apostle of Christ himself.
This is so typical. If you review the history of the United States, in EVERY economic decline, the right wing immediately turns against immigrants. Always.
And the worse the decline, the more violent the proffered remedies are.
It isn't illegal immigrants causing the problem. It is the continual war on the middle class brought to you by the criminal Roberts court with the Citizen United decision that allows for the rape of the country by the top 1or 2%.
When the middle class suffers, when the poor cannot see a clear way into that class, governments fall. So it has been throughout history.
You must be a mexican. Real Americans want these people out or this country. Mexicans are taking both our jobs and our money. They are sendingour money back to their homes in Brazille, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and every other country they come from. They are stealing our success and producing anchor babies. I may not vote for Cain, because I can not trust him but, I do agree, they should be electrocuted for trying to enter our country illegally. Let them come through and open door like our people did. The second ammendment allows me to welcome them.
Obama has done nothing to get rid of mexicans in our country. He has buddied up to the drug cartels and supplied them with guns. He grants them 2nd ammendment rights through 'Fast and Furious' while working to take our rights away. He hates the NRA and loves drug runners and thugs that traffic drugs and disease accross our boarder. Like colored guys, they come to steal our christian women. Who cares what happens to those people. We need to worry about real Americans and getting our country back.
Hey Wiilie....Please return to your place at the bottom of the gene pool or be a MAN and report to your nearest Marine Corps recruiting station or the border patrol. You wouldn't last a day you racist puke.
I am too old. Even if I were younger, I wouldn't join under a commander and chief that failed numerous polly graph test to prove he is an American. Everyone know he was born in Hawaii and not the mainland. Everybody knows his dad is from Kenya, which is in Africa - not America. Everyone knows Hawaii was not a state when the four fathers captured our land and God gave us the constitution. Why don't you become a Marine instead.
LOL... TorpedoYou. Willie is as ignorant as they come. Polygraph tests??? Obama is as American as Willie is... must make him want to throw up though. Willie you are a bigot... don't be mad because your President is a black man... just go vote! LOL... oh, don't forget your picture ID!
I am a Marine..AND a Blue Star dad with 2 serving in the NAVY. One just returned from a tour in the AFG at FOB Lagman. Stop with your racist crap you phoney patriot.
Willie, I don't know which state you live in but everyone knows every state other than the original 13 colonies were not states when the fore fathers ratified the Constitution. If your logic makes Hawaii ineligible to be considered a real state, then the same goes for Alaska, most of the southern states, the mid-west, and all the western states.
Hey, Willie is back!
No Jo: where the heck are you? He is one of yours...what say you?
Willie, can't tell you how pleased I am that you follow my posts so closely, and inevitably show the veracity of them!
How do you get through the day?
Loren,
[Polygraph tests???]
C'mon...get it right...it's "polly graph" test...Willy says so... ;)
and I think Willie is a satire. Either that or he doesn't know which of the four is his real father.
Really you better learn your history FDR during the depression deported 100 of thousands of illegal - typical ignorant liberal remark
Cain's presidential idea:
1) build a fence;
2) promote a path to citizenship for legal immigrants;
3) enforce the immigration laws that are already in place; and
4) empower the states to enforce the laws that the federal government does not.
Outstanding!
I beleive he will be supported by at least 230,000,000 American voters on this plan.
More than enough to win the election.
No new legislation required just to enforce the Federal Laws and State Laws already long in place and ignored.
Complete the fence that has been funded for many years now.
No need for the Senate or the House to act or not act. They are not needed. Briliant!!
Cain's run for the Presidency is a joke, along with his tea party"supporters", who are as fickle as the wind. They just like to listen to all the rhetoric. And Cain eats it up, thinking that they really mean it. He'll find out, just like dear Michelle Bachmann has.
I actually want Cain to win the Republican nomination only so this country can see two black men vying to be POTUS. Can you imagine the ads leading up to the election?
I agree about building a barbed wire electric fence that could kill those who tried to climb it to enter the country illegally. What's so different from other countrys who have border guards who would shoot to kill if you ran accross their border? Insensitive? What's insensitive? If there is a sign,(not to mention a rumor) that the fence is electried & it will kill you if you touch it & you touch it anyway, the person must have a deathwish & there is nothin,NOTHING insensitive about that.
Hey the usmale2 puss..So what you are saying is that "shoot to kill" should be the official policy of the United States Government.
Are you man enough to sign up for military service or the border patrol?
Like most connies though you are most likely "all talk and no cattle" as they say in Texasss...Right
Is the community organizer a puss too? I don't recall military service or border patrol on his resume.
LOL... you Repubs/Tea heads get more ignorant, hateful, and entertaining every day!!!! keep up the good work... you all are helping Obama to be re-elected! Wonderful :-)
Nope Rob...In the context (you do understand context don't you?) of securing our borders which was the topic under discussion; This president has deployed more boots on the ground and deported more illegals than his predecessor. so as a leader this makes him the decider. Understand now? :-)
USMale2, those "other" countries with the barbed wire electrified fences and guards that shoot to kill are North Korea and Iran. Do you really want us to be like them? Seriously?
Yes, I think he does (as long as those getting shot are the "right" people).
I have heard Mr Cain say many things from which he had to backtrack. Is this the person we want representing our nation in talks with foreign diplomats? He has been quite intemperate about moslems and now illegal immigrants--who next? Cue WWIII, no, it was just a joke...this is the finger you want on the button folks?
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
President Obama said he was muslim 3 times on meet the press in a 30 minute span.
President Obama said no matter what he will stand with Islam in his books.
President Obama's wife said up until now she has never been proud to be an American.
President Obama said we have to spend our way to a balanced budget.
President Obama said the deficits are unsustainable yet he wants to spend another Trillion dollars.
and here we are talking about Herman Cain Jesus help us.
Remember Ronnie Reagan and his open mike countdown to initiating nuclear war on the Soviet Union. Oops, I didn't realize the mike was live! Just kidding!. Meanwhile the folks in Russia are scrambling interceptor jets, launching their airborne command centers,calibrating their ABM systems and fueling their retaliatory strike missiles.
Black humor (no pun intended) has no place in the White House or in White House pretenders.
Herman's comments could be disturbing if he was actually interested in the top job. He appears to be angling for a gig on Fox to replace Sarah so the jokes on us.
Mark, every sentence in your post is a LIE. You did not hear or read these things for yourself--you're just spouting right-wing talking points.
1. Obama has never said he is a Muslim--he has repeatedly said he's a Christian and that Jesus is his Lord & Savior. NO self-respecting Muslim would ever say that (although Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and teacher, and they revere him--just not as God's son). Obama has knowledge and understanding of the Islamic faith because he lived for two years in Indonesia, a Muslim country. This doesn't make him a Muslim any more than sitting in a church makes you Christian.
2. Obama said he would stand with Islam--but NOT "no matter what". He meant that he would be respectful and tolerant of them. He didn't say he would defend them over other religions or over Christians!
3. You're misquoting what Michelle Obama said. ("For the first time in my ADULT life, I'm REALLY proud to be an American.") And what office is she holding???
4. Actually, Obama may have said something like this--meaning that we have to INVEST in our economy in order to get it going again, which 99% of economists agree with.
5. Source please? I haven't heard this. But hey--throw half-truths, misquotes, and exaggerations around. Who will notice or care?
Cain doesn't have the organization to fight Obama, so if you want even the chance to win the next election, you are going to hold your nose and vote for Romney.
4.
Yes, Obama made these statements. And yes, he is a muslim. And should he ever
be ready to assume the full role of being a muslim, watch how fast the first lady leaves him in the dust. He called our military whiners and you defend him? He is being investigated on at least two things and I hope the truth comes out. I am defended by people who would be tearing him up if he had ran on the Rep. ticket. The democrat party has as much against it as the replican does. I am an Independant and I will remain one because I know there is much graft and greed in the other two. My father once said, "you can be an honest person when you enter politics, but when you leave, you have followed the others before this. Seems to be a lot of truth in that statement. Have a nice day but don't keep thinking your party is the best. They both are full of thaws.
Two dark horses are now racing neck and neck for the winners circle. The first across the line will be the next president of the United States. One is a dreamer who uses the right side of his brain, the other is talented with numbers who uses the left side. The voters will choose between fantasy and reality.
Fantasy is thinking that Mr Cain's 9-9-9 plan would indeed be beneficial to 99% of Americans!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
U r an a**hole morris dumb! LOL
It seems, Loren, you have forgot to adhere to the Code of Honor. You've been flagged for doing it. I don't care if you disagree with what morris said or not but why on earth do you think you have the right to use profanity to attack him personally? That's really what you libbies love to do. Claim compassion but then attack anyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint.
9-9-9 ... would create millions of new jobs and 10's of millions of saved JOBS. President Obama put the Crack Pipe down !!!
His 4 points would help
Cain is in a few ways a typical politician. Let's run it up the flag pole and see who salutes is his motto. I so badly need to paraphrase one of Mr Cain's statements. If you allow the party that boos active duty soldiers to win even one election...... blame yourself. If you lose your Social Security because of 999 blame yourself. If you no longer have medicaid or medicare...blame yourself. If the cost of bread, milk, baby formula goes up....blame yourself. If the US stands in violation of every trade agreement in existence, including the ones just passed ........blame yourself.
Ray that's the problem we are the only ones not in violation of the trade agreements ........... you can buy most imported things here cheaper than you can in the country they came from they supplement their exports to us so that we buy their crap the result is our manufactures go out of business and our politicians on both sides are paid off to allow this to happen
We as a nation could not respond as our parents and grandparents did in WWII .......... we don't have the manufacturing capability anymore
There's nothing "typical" about Cain. He doesn't bother wrapping anything he says in any kind of respectibility. He just throws out his mindless 'let em eat cake' lines and the right wing eat it up. Thankfully, he doesn't even have a campaign staff and has no hope whatsoever of getting beyond these straw polls. It'll be the last loon standing (that'd be Mitt) who gets topped shortly thereafter in the general.
Ray, I think you can blame the Govt. if you don't have any SS because it won't have any money left in it by the time you retire. AP kind of like what Obama did this past election. Change we can believe in yeah right.
It was change I believed in alright and that's what I got. Back from the presicpice of a Bush induced depression and a sane winding down in Iraq as a start. While your heroes I presume McCain and Palin would have done what exactly? Let the auto industry go under along with this country's default. No thanks. I'm not going back and neither are the majority of voters. You're also wrong about social security. It's solvent for at least the next 27 years (but you wouldn't know that if you don't turn down the Rush Limbaugh)....you think the boomers will be around forever?
Ap, actually I'm more of a Kennedy Democrat but thanks for letting me know who I am. How am I wrong about SS when I said it won't be around when you retire I have no Idea how old you are ,but you're missing the point even as you say it will be gone in 27 years it's going bankrupt thanks to the people in our govt. that would include both parties. Play on Pied Piper the children will follow.
SS is no where near being bankrupt and any shortfalls are easily managed by simply removing the contribution caps, which would affect no one except the well off.
Cain's fence Idea is the best thing that has been brought forward. It works for our prisons all over the country. May be that's why people are upset is because it will work!
Ah the federal political correctness police are always at work, unlike the federal government when it comes to enforcing our immigration laws.
What would the koch brothers do. Electrocute the mexicans. I can just see the photo after photos of dead immigrants on a barbed wire fence. Some bodies have been there for over a month and their bodies are seriously decayed, skulls bare. Mr grover & the gop & teapot cheer.
Mao would starve them to death 70 million, Hilter would gas them to death 7 million, Stalin would freeze them to death 28 million, and Barak Obama would enslave them to death 100 million.
Obama is so dreamy, Seig Hiel Obama der Ghettonator
MARK
so Obama is like Hitler, Mao and Stalin and he is the "ghettonator"
Keep these gems coming. With every racist, xenophobic comment, combined with the hate for the poor, more and more people realize that they are not crazy enough to fit in the new GOP.
The Herman Cain Crazy Train just keeps rollin' along.......
He's more entertaining the the one who will win the GOP nomination, Mitt Romney. Maybe Herman will manage to be in the news for another week or two. He's always good for an awkward laugh or inadvertent mangling of the Constitution.
while I find nothing funny about Cain's comments I do agree that "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" has to be stopped it is taking this country to the point of no return in costs Billions in education for the children, in health care they utilize the emergency rooms as most of us would a family doctor then never pay the bills, in law enforcement over 1/3 of all people in prison are illegal immigrants and list just keeps going we can't feed ourselves now let alone the world .......... in years past maybe but not anymore
I was going to ask for a cite to your "facts", but I decided to check for myself. Your numbers seem to be based on either Lou Dobbs' program or chain e-mails, and they are completely incorrect. Read for yourself, but at least know that the Fedeal Bureau of Prisons does not keep track of how many illegal immigrants are in prison.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/
"What solid numbers we can find point to a much smaller figure. A Department of Justice report from 2003 found that only 1.6 percent of the state and federal prison populations was under Immigration and Customs Enforcement jurisdiction, and thus known to be illegal immigrants. Half of these prisoners were detained only because they were here illegally, not for other crimes."
Not to mention that many illegals actually do pay income taxes and if not those then they certainly pay land taxes through rentals and sales taxes and for those not working under the table, payroll taxes.
The bottom line of all the nativist anti-immigrant hysteria is personal insecurity.
Reading is good if you actually want facts and understanding...bad if you prefer to remain in chump mode.
If the right wanted to stop illegal immigration, couldn't they insist on enforcement of laws already on the books? Couldn't they go after employers that hire illegals, as this practice is illegal. Oops, that would mean going after their business friends, those folks that hire hundreds, perhaps thousands of illegals, as it reduces their payroll costs. Rather than build an expensive fence (perhaps lethal fence if Mr. Cain is not kidding), just enforce laws on the books. Isn't this the right's statement when others want to tighten gun laws? Isn't the standard response "we have plenty of gun laws, just enforce what we have"?
Maybe they don't really want to stop their flow of cheap labor, but rather give it lip service only. Maybe they are having more fun terrorizing brown skinned children in our public schools. Maybe it's just easier to blame a host of problems, from drug trade to crime, on the illegals.
J100 we do need to enforce the laws on the books but the Federal Government won't do it and when states like AZ.(are they not one of those rightwing states) try and do it they (the President Obama regiem) threatens them with cutting off funding and sues them in the federal court system.
The finger can be pointed at both the right and left for not enforcing the laws that are on the books Just look at Perry he is so soft on immigration thats why I won't vote for him
If you don't believe the host of problems caused by illegals come spend sometime on the southern borders you choose where
D.G.
The push against illegal immigration is coming primarily from the right. The point I am trying to make is why isn't the right pushing for enforcement of current laws? Why isn't that part of Mr. Cain's campaign speech? While I would agree that the laws in Arizona have been undercut by the courts and the Obama administration, I'm not hearing anything from the Republican candidates that would suggest they would do anything different.
What I am ultimately trying to say is that we have been failed by both sides, and not just in this issue. More bothersome to me is that while the right wants us to believe that they are concerned with the lower and middle class, their actions suggest that they only want to cater to big business and the rich. I'm sure you can make an argument against the left, and I would be hard pressed to defend against it. Again, both sides are failing the majority of citizens in this country, and I am not sure we can do a darn thing about it.
Failed in what sense? There are more undocumented workers deported so far in Obama's first term than in 8 years of Bush. If that's your yardstick ("patrolling the borders") than the war is over. Immigration has plummeted. Go ask farmers in Alabama and Arkansas and Georgia and Florida about where the illegals are.
You do know that Alabama didn't require E-Verify for all employers- until this year? There are only 18 states that actually mandate E-Verify in some form and it only takes 72 hours between the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security to determine if a prospective employee is a legal citizen. Do you know what GOP organization has fought tooth and nail against E-Verify and have filed lawsuits against it? Why none other than the GOP led U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Who really wants to hold employers accountable?
Facts, get some here.
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=13127
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/map-states-mandatory-e-verify-laws.html
"The line drew raucous applause from Tea Party crowds during at least two of his stops in the Volunteer State. "
The Tea Party loves death.
They've revealed themselves over and again for what they really are. Sure a long way from "fiscal responsibility" ain't it?
Cain train will soon derail (nein, nein, nein). Even faster than the Palin express to nowhere. Looking forward to seeing Palin books at the next community yard sale.
esteban how many do you have now? You still have that Palin poster in your bedroom?
Vote Koch-Cain
Hey Ray...Have you always been a moron or is this something new for you ??
My plan:
1) build an electrified barbed wire fence enclosure;
2) herd Wall Street bankers, GOP politicians, businessmen that hire illegal aliens, ex Pizza company execs, and Fed Board members that ripped us off, into the fence.
3) flood the floor of the fenced in area with water.
4) Turn on the "juice".
LOL. I was just "joking"...LOL...lighten up...too funny. You got all bent and I'm not even running for President.
#2 is missing another group of people: Democratic politicians. Since they started the economy tanking in the first two years they controlled Congress and they did nothing to stop the economy from tanking in the last two years, they deserve the same fate as the GOP politicians.
You can't say that the Dems did nothing. They passed a stimulus bill that prevented an even worse Bush/Cheney catastrophe than the one we have.
The stimulus would have worked even better if the GOP hadn't watered it down and insisted on tax reductions for the wealthy and corporations as part of the package. Now that the GOP got what it wanted, they are unwilling to cooperate further. They will pay a price for that and deserve to.
In my opinion, the financial meltdown was engineered to make sure the Dems would win the White House. Bush didn't start financial deregulation but he made sure those companies that deserved to get caught got caught. The companies that got stimulus money didn't deserve it and they were back for more six months later. This "too big to fail" stuff didn't wash with me.
ignorance is bliss. in ten years all you gringos will be a minority. the party is over. welcome to los united states de america....have a nice day =)
yeah your probably right the spics & the blacks will turn the country into a socialist nanny state ghetto..I'm sure glad I don't have any kids good luck w/ the sh1thole ...u maggot
And you will have contributed to making the US another poor country....Mexico #2....great job...hope you enjoy being back in your wasteland country!!
adios spicbag
Really: Don't bet on it. This country was built by immigrants, developed by immigrants and despite your complete and total ignorance about your own country's history and current strength, will continue to prosper with its immigrants. Thankfully, those like you, who continually bet against it are wasting their breath.
Have you driven through their neighborhoods??? Trashy, trashy, trashy. Several families all live together in one house so they can send more money back to their wasteland of a country while they pay no taxes here. Have you seen our economy? They will overrun this country one day and it will also be a trashy poor country thanks to them wanting handouts and free money that they didn't earn.
Really, not all Mexicans are trashy, there are a lot of them just trying to make a living something that they aren't able to do in Mexico. I suppose you wouldn't do the exact same thing put in their position. Besides trashy knows no color.
If they are so hard working and just want to make a living.....why not stay in their country and fight to make it a great country....Or are they afraid to fight? But not afraid to come ruin our country! And about being trashy....I don't think anyone ever drives through their community without automatically knowing what lives there.....MEXICANS!!!
Really, there here because they can't find the same in their country and our company's hire them. Why do you need to generalize them, there is good and bad in all colors. Having worked for the phone co. I've been in a lot of trashed houses and neighborhoods and they all haven't been Mexicans.
hynzerelli
You may be thankful that you have not reproduced. We are grateful that your celibacy has spared the world of your offspring. Maybe we can take up a collection to encourage you to continue your abstinence.
Mrs. Guzman,
Hate to tell you, but in the county I live in in California, I am in the minority because I am white and a legal citizen.
you speak the whole truth
You may not like the gringos as you call us, but we are legal , we support our country, and we have been paying through the nose for the illegal immigrants.
I suggest that you return to your homeland that you seem to like so well. What are you here for anyway and are you here legally? I am not a gringo, and I don't call you names. Please refrain from use name calling. That is so illiterate. Thank you.