It is typical kick the can down the road. You prevent them being laid off today so they can be laid off next year (after the election)

This is not a jobs bill. It is a hire temporary workers bill.

ABO 2012

You wouldn't say that if you were one of those re-hired. Keeping pulic workers employed keeps them out of the pool of the unemployed, freeing up jobs for other people, and it supports the businesses that depend on these folks' spending. Of course, down the road, we have to develop our manufacturing base, and re-configure our economy to recover from the "lost decade" just past.

I tend to agree, even though I support the teachers, firefighters and cops wholeheartedly. Federal money should be spent on federal infrastructure projects, that would help local and state coffers a little, but it would not be enough. The fact is some of these states will have to start collecting taxes again or simply suffer the effects of giving their money away to corporations, instead of using it for vital services. When the people in those communities have had enough they will vote for some changes.

If you remember correctly,President Clinton pushed investing federal funds in our infrastructure and education of our work force, and HE BALANCED OUR FEDERAL BUDGET and created a surplus to reduce our debt. Bush "un-did" all of that as soon as he took office, taking cops off the streets, teachers out of the classrooms, and reducing taxes for his wealthy friends and supporters.

Look what it got us.

Now Republicans try to justify and explain that the facts are not truly facts, that we have a misconception, that trickle-down works and therefore we must give the wealthy MORE so they can "create" jobs.

PULLLEEEEZE!!!

Enough is more than enough! The RNC and its privies can continue to play partisan politics, but the facts are the facts. Therefore, their spin and sales pitch is NO arguement for success.

To alleviate today's economic troubles WE MUST "UN-DO" BUSH'S POLICY AND RETURN TO CLINTON'S.

Why do the Republicans & Teanuts argue against doing this? GREED is the only answer; they want to put MORE in their own pockets, (like it will make any difference in their lifestyles - HUH!)

Back off our President and allow him to lead this nation back to President Clinton's domestic policies and programs so we can get out of this economic disaster that developed between 2001 and 2009 and is being compounded today..... otherwise, America may just become a footnote in history books.

I can tell you why we argue against it.

We borrow 40 cents on every dollar we spend now. We are going to borrow some more or increase tax burden to create temporary jobs that there is no funding for beyond 1 year.

Yes, it will reduce the unemployment right now, but offers no long term plan to keep these people employed, and will add more burden in the future to maintain this employment on already overstretched local and state budgets.

How will we get to a balanced budget when we keep adding jobs to the government sector when in fact we dont even have the money to pay the already overgrown government sector? We can tax the rich 100% and not get to where we are spending what is being collected in revenue.

It is a spending problem. We cannot continue to borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend. And putting people to work ont he government payroll for a limited amount of funding will not help other than a momentary false lowering of the unemployement.

When the funding runs out, those that employed these workers will be faced with the decision on how to keep them employed or to lay them off then. So the options will be to raise taxes to continue to pay for them, or lay them off.

Neither of these are good options. We currently have the largest percentage of Americans working in Government funded job in our history. And the solution is to add more? The private sector cannot pay enough in taxes to pay for the public sector employees. There has to be a balance, and it was exceeded a long time ago. If teachers, police and firement are important, then they need to cut form areas of public sector that are not important. But to continue to grow the public sector workers is not a solution and is perpetuating the problem.

And adding more revenue is not a solution, as the revenue increases being suggested wont even put a speed bump in the deficit spending. Increasing the taxes to the levels suggested will still have us borrowing money on every dollar spent.

This plan is not a solution, but rather a good example of the problem.

ABO 2012

Hey guys the kick the can down the road didn't work the last time you tried it, what makes you think it'll work this time? Can't you at least come up with some new buzz words? Sounds like Frank Lunz is running out of catch phrases. Time to find a new guy to make up catch phrases for you.

The dollar is now only worth 38 cents, but I will give you 50 cents for every single one you republicans can bring me.

"I can tell you why we argue against it.

We borrow 40 cents on every dollar we spend now..."

Well, then, stop all the borrowing, and get the money from those that live here now, and have more of it than they know what to do with!

This plan is not a solution,

Hey guys the kick the can down the road didn't work the last time

SEE? That is exactly what I was referring to:

The RNC and its privies can continue to play partisan politics, but the facts are the facts. Therefore, their spin and sales pitch is NO arguement for success

They obviously can NOT stand the fact that a Democrat President balanced our budget and a Republican lead us to economic disaster. The fact that their plank doesn't work, but the Dem's did makes their head explode, and they HAVE to deny it ever really happened. The RNC plans are a failure.

...but they are going to contiue to shout it over and over and over and over and hope some voter will get tired of hearing it, give up, and vote Republican....

NAW! Not this time.

ps guys: Thanks for proving my point!

This is not a jobs bill. It is a hire temporary workers bill.

dsdsherm is correct. Coincidentally the government is again 'beefing up" their Census Bureau with thousands of temporary jobs that will end in Nov. 2012! I don't know the exact number of these new 'temporary jobs but there's enough to hold 3 consecutive November hiring dates for these positions here in So. Nevada. If you remember last year 2010 over 60,000 were hired for the 10 year census poll.... By the way aren't these jobs government jobs and therefore not be included in the private sector job numbers?

Not as stupid as you think: "They obviously can NOT stand the fact that a Democrat President balanced our budget and a Republican lead us to economic disaster."

You are missing the whole point that a President does not balance a budget without putting policies in place for growth and job creation in the PRIVATE SECTOR. Obama's policies KILL private sector JOB growth. Add to that, Obama sinks billions into "green" companies which are BIG LOSERS.

TWO THINGS: We need to get out of these wars and become energy independent.

Go GOP 2012!!

yahoo... another road trip for obama on our credit card! I wonder if he still makes Michelle get off the bus to before they cross any of those dangerous bridges we need to fix?

Drive by,

The tax increases suggested would not touch the 40 cents on the dollar being borrowed.

That is the problem with the liberal agenda. You seem to think their is an endless money pools somewhere to spend.

You could increas the tax on the "Rich" as you libs like to call them to 100% and it would not satisfy the current level of spending. You STILL would be borrowing money on every dollar spent.

So, while you dont seem to hear when we say it, it is not a revenue problem, it is a spending problem.

If you are spending $4 Trillion dollars a year, and you borrow 40 cents on every dollar, that is $1.6 Trillion dollars of deficit spending per year. The proposed tax increases are $47 Billion per year ($467 Billion over 10 years).

Well, then, stop all the borrowing, and get the money from those that live here now, and have more of it than they know what to do with!

So how do youplan to do this? You could take all the income from the top wage earners and it would not stop the borrowing. That is the spending hole this president has put us in.

And his solution?? SPEND MORE

And you libs with your rosey glasses on cant see that there is now way possible to pay for what we are spending now.

And your suggestions to just stop borrowing and get the money from those that live here now just re-enforces your total lack of understanding on how grave the situation is.

ABO 2012

"So, while you dont seem to hear when we say it, it is not a revenue problem, it is a spending problem."

No- it's a "BOTH of the above" problem. And nowhere did I say keep spending like we have been.

How many billions have gone to the top earners via the Bush-now-Obama tax cuts? You mean NONE of it would help one iota had it been used to beef up the income side of the balance sheet? Not one iota- so don't even try it??

Drive by,

You are reinforcing my point. How many billions have gone to top earners???

Are you serious? So you mean their money is actually the governments money and because they were allowed to keep some of the money they earned, this is equivilent to the government giving them money? Wow, you really are a Communist.

I am not saying revenue increases would not help one iota, I am saying unless the revenue increases were to come after some major spending reforms, it would not help.

But BHO is unwilling to address cutting government spending. And everytime he speaks, he finds new plans to increase it. Why do a tax increase for such a small pittance of the percentage when nothing is being done to fix the issue? We will go bankrupt with or without revenue increases if spending stays as it is now. So the tax increases proposed are worthless without accompanying spending reduction, which he is not willing to do.

A better question to you is, why not cut spending on things that are not necessary? It wont help? Not one iota- so dont even try?

In answer to your question, no money has gone to the top wage earners via the tax cuts. These wage earners EARNED the money they have, and it was not a gift from the government. As They earned it, it was not the governments property to give to them. They may have been permitted to keep a larger percentage of it, but it was theirs to begin with.

But I am sure they GAVE plenty to the goverment, even with the tax cuts. And the government blew it all on programs that were not necessary and in fact DID GIVE it to others. Low income people get tax refunds in excess of what they paid in. Some get a refund even though they paid nothing. So the government took money from these top wage earners and gave it to others. They did not give anything to the top wage earners. Might as well be United States of Nottingham Forrest. And BHO is wearing tights.

And the more you speak the more you reinforce my point. You think there is a huge money pile the government can spend. In fact, the government already spent it.

And the money people and corporations earn does not by default belong to the government (although you could not prove that by BHO). If it did, we would be a Socialist country, and while you and BHO may dream of it being so, those of us that remember what we were founded on will fight you all the way.

But I will say you are a good representation of the modern day Democrat. Every time you respond, you reinforce what is wrong with your ideology.

ABO 2012

When are the big spending democrats going to get it, the federal government is broke and deeply in debt. It is not the federal governments responsibility to bail out states, cities, school districts or any local community. Let the states and local communities that want to hire more police, firefights, and teachers come up with the money, they all have the right to raise taxes. If the people feel they need more teachers and emergency personnel they will come up with the resources. There is plenty of waste in state and local government's spending.

The democrats want to use federal money to support their labor union base. I saw an article yesterday where the National Teachers Union donated thousands of dollars to the idiots protesting on Wall Street. The labor unions, especially SEIU are also donating to the demonstrations.

sfcret,

When are the big spending democrats going to get it

When they are unemployed.

ABO 2012

SOME FACTS :

"As of Oct. 17, here is a snapshot of what's different, compared with Jan. 20, 2009:

-- The U.S. debt increased by an average of $4.2 billion per day. The total rise in that time breaks down to more than $13,000 in additional debt for every single American.

-- The government has spent more than $9.6 trillion, about 60 percent more than what Washington took in.

-- The country racked up as much debt in the last 1,000 days as it did in the first 79,135 days. (That's from 1776 to 1993.)

-- In the last 1,000 days, America spent $1.2 trillion in interest on the debt. By itself, that would represent the world's 15th largest economy.

-- On the economic front, 2.22 million jobs have been lost.

-- More than 2.4 million homes were repossessed for failure to pay mortgages.

-- The unemployed are staying out of work longer -- on average about 40.5 weeks, more than double the typical bout of joblessness in January 2009.

-- The jobless rate has been at or above 9 percent for 840 of the last 1,000 days.

-- Thirty-seven states have higher unemployment rates.

-- Washington has spent almost $380 billion on federal unemployment benefits.

-- Since January 2009, 7,076 new final regulatory rules were issued.

-- About 12 million more Americans are on food stamps.

-- Gas prices are up by more than 80 percent."

ABO 2012

I take difference with the fact that the GOP ran on the idea that they would create jobs in 2010. That was not what I heard from the poeple I voted for. In fact, they conceeded there would be little legislation they could get passed, as the Socialist in Chief would certainly veto any and all of their best efforts and unless the Senate was changed they would not even get their efforts that far.

But they did guarantee me they would do everything in their power to block and obstruct the Socialist agenda that BHO and his party put forth and would hold the system up until such time that he could be replaced.

I thank them for holding to their word and preventing us from being damaged to the point of no return. They have kept their commitment, and I will keep to mine to vote for a suitable replacement for BHO in 2012.

I agree that BHO has the right to make his views known. And he has done so. His views are just wrong, and bad for the country as a whole. And the anti-Obama began when he decided early on to focus on issues the American public was against rather than focus on the economy. He spent the first few years putting forth Obamacare, when the economy was taking a nosedive. And NOW he is putting together a jobs plan? Why didnt he do it when he had the supermajority and could have passed any legislation he wanted? Why was an unpopular revamp of the healthcare system more important then?

The anti-Obama sentiment came about the time it was realized his agenda was more important than the American people's wishes and needs.

ABO 2012

dsdsherm

Whaaaat? Obama would most certainly veto a jobs bill so the Republicans didn't bother to write one? That's silly.

Obama reached across the aisle so many times his right arm is longer than his left one.

Republicans offered no ideas for fixing the economy because they like it broken. Increases their odds of winning back the Presidency. (They hope.)

Amy,

Nice misquote, I dont recall saying that. I said they told us the voters not to expect much as nothing would move due to the current leadership. They were correct. Not that they would not send legislation, just that it would get shelved and go no-where. No-one said they wouldnt propose it anyway.

And they should not write a "Jobs Bill" as teh government does not create jobs. They should offer bills to create an environment where jobs could be reasonable expected to be created.

They have offered many plans to create jobs (real ones, not the fake ones BHO proposes)

They put a bill forth to allow drilling for oil and repeal the ban BHO put on drilling. The oil companies would line up to create jobs to expand on oil production. And there would be transport and other industries that would also add staff to get a piece of this action. And as you know, added economic action becomes self sustaining, so other industries would follow in the success.

But as usual, the Senate is failing to consider it, and BHO would veto it anyway ( he said so) . It is what was expected. It is not that we dont try anyway. We do. Our ideas dont even get addressed or acknowleged that they exist. It is easier for the Senate to just shelve every House bill. That way they can pretend there are no ideas coming out of the House or GOP. If they vote on them, they cannot pretend the ideas dont exist. So they dont even bring them up for a vote. Reid controlls the schedule. And his goal is to pretend no ideas exist and demonize the GOP. Both sides are playing the same game.

BHO reach across the ailse? This must be right after he said the GOP could come along but would have to ride in the back.....

He is by far the most division President in history, bar none. He is perpetuating this class warfare issue, and is the reason for the group of misguided protesters in OWS. His refusal to consider spending cuts has our credit downgraded and he deserves the beating he will take in 2012.

The only reason his right arm is longer than his left (and as he is a leftist, it is the other way around) is due to his constantly patting himself on the back.

The GOP has many ideas that would fix the economy, Mostly, get government out of the way. They even offered legislation that would restore our credit rating (the S&P said the cut,cap and balance bill the House passed would do so). But these are the last ideas the current POTUS would consider as his entire agenda is increasing government involvement and spending. That is why the economy has languished for his entire term thus far.

Typical recessions do not last this long. His policies have extended this recession way beyond what is normal. Free markets woudlhave recovered or shown signs of life by now. But as he adds regulations and uncertainty to the equation, he keeps the recovery from happening.

You can perpetuate the myth that the GOP has not presented anything of substance all you want. But I am sure many already know this to be false and in the near future many more will know as much. The days of being able to justify the actions (and inactions) of this failed adminsitration are gone.

ABO 2012

Tommy I on the same page as you. Its time to Occupy I don't mean wall street I mean Senators & Congressmen"s offices. The most of them are so disconnected it sucks. The most of our elected officials are part of the 1%, so they get to give them-selfs a tax break. That makes me wonder who they are looking for. I know that its not us. So its time to Occupy them, go to your Senator or Congressman's office, tell them that they to start working for you. WE ARE THE 99%

Where are the thousands lining up to listen to Romney, Cain or Perry? People flocked to hear primary candidates Obama and Hillary in 2007. This year's Republicans: not so much.

Correction...they have presented several bills that are collecting dust on Reid's desk. So the question is, why doesn't he allow them to be voted on?? If they are that bad, then bring them out in the open and supposedly let the people debate and discuss and ultimately vote on them. By keeping them from being voted on, one can only conclude that Reid and his supporters are not genuine about discussing the real issues about jobs. You obviously haven't done much research, Tommy...

Did you look on Harry's desk They have sent several bills to the Senate and Harry refuses to allow them on the floor

Let me guess: all the bills are some form of "cut taxes for the rich." It's the one and only idea the Republicans have.

Tommy,

You are looking uder the wrong name. The GOP does not pretend the government can create jobs. The best the government can do it create a better business environment so corporations can create jobs. Or it can spend enormous amounts of cash on more government payroll jobs we dont need and cant afford for the long term (such as what BHO keeps pushing).

So we would not be sending bills in called a "Jobs Bill" unless it was as an alternative to one the Dems mistakenly labeled a "Jobs Bill".

But look for bills to reduce regulation and open the oil reserves in this country to drilling. After all, the oil wont drill itself out of the ground, so I suppose it would create some jobs to get it. And transport it, and refine it. And it would lower the cost of gas, so others would have more disposable income to spend on items that are built by other companies, who will need to ramp up production. The lower fuel cost would reduce the fuel surcharges on groceries and durable goods, so they may see a decrease in price as well, again freeing up disposable income. and the more income, the better consumer confidence is. And consumer confidence is a self fulfilling prospect.

As you can see, the ban on drilling would have an opposite effect and create the mess we currently find ourselves in. It works both ways. Consumer confidence is down, no disposable income, no jobs to drill, refine and transport, etc.

But this would not be labeled a jobs plan, as the government does not create jobs. But it surely would provide an environment to create jobs. And I am sure the legislation to stop drilling and kill jobs was not called a jobs killing act, but it surely was.

I am sure if you look in the Senate, you will find just such a plan waiting for the opportunity to be voted on. It will just never happen with the halfwit Reid in charge.

Which is why we must change the leadership of the Senate while we are changing the POTUS.

ABO 2012

Amy,

So what if they are different than what the President proposes? Who is Reid to judge one way or another?? You liberals like to point fingers, and jump up and down about the Republicans, but what you really should be doing is asking Reid why he doesn't allow these bills to the floor?? Care to answer that??

Here are the " Go To " businessmen for JOBS.............

Romney/Cain 2012.

Jobs1,

Why? Im willing to listen, explain why we should do anyhting of the sort.

...why....because he's fast & furious?

He is saving the United States and our people from the Radical Right.

Job1,

He'd do a much better job saving us from the spendaholic liberals in Congress...if he did that, then he'd be doing his job!

Leona,

You can't argue with people who choose to follow people with blinders on. People all lined up in 2008 because they believed in all this hope and change rhetoric, but now 2 1/2 years later, we find that Obama produces nothing but a good sound bite for the media.

You two really need to get the facts and stop backing the radical right lies. Fact check please.