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Subscribe to RSSRepublican presidential candidate Rick Perry, at a steel plant outside Pittsburgh, has laid out his energy plan that would expand oil and gas exploration, curb regulation, and create jobs. NBC's Carrie Dann reports.
WEST MIFFLIN, PA -- Seeking to refocus his campaign after a month of controversies and shaky debate performances, Texas Gov. Rick Perry visited a cavernous steel plant outside of Pittsburgh Friday to unveil his plan for job creation through reform of the energy industry.
Speaking here at U.S. Steel's Irvin plant, Perry said that his proposal -- which would open protected land for oil and natural gas production as well as lift federal regulations on the energy sector -- will create 1.2 million jobs.
"Today, I offer a plan that will create more than a million good American jobs across every sector of the economy and enhance our national security. And the best news is it can be set in motion in my first 100 days," he told a crowd of hard-hat-wearing steelworkers.
The lands opened for new energy exploration under Perry's plan would include the Gulf of Mexico and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, although the governor noted that states should have input in which parts of their land are preserved from new drilling. His proposal would also undo the Environmental Protection Agency's "draconian" authority to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, and it would eliminate federal subsidies for industry sectors such as ethanol and oil and gas production.
Those changes, he said, would "revitalize American manufacturing" and have ripple effects throughout the rest of the US economy as well.
The slogan of the rollout: "Make what Americans buy. Buy what Americans make. And sell it to the world."
Perry says that his plan, which would rely on executive orders and other action directly from the White House for its implementation, would avoid the procedural gridlock of passage through Congress. And he argues that advancements in research and development, as well as market incentives, would keep the enhanced energy production from harming the global environment.
"I do not accept the premise, I do not accept the choice, that we must pick between energy and the environment."
In his remarks, Perry had harsh words for environmental "activists" who have lobbied the White House to limit new energy production.
"President Obama would keep us more dependent on hostile sources of foreign energy, while my plan would make us more secure by tapping America's true energy potential," Perry said. "His energy policies are driven by the concerns of activists in his party. My policies are driven by the concerns of American workers without jobs."
"Creating jobs in America is as simple as changing presidents," he added.
The steel plant speech was the first in a series of policy proposals that Perry is expected to unveil in the coming weeks. The next stage of the rollout will be an address on taxes and the deficit, advisers said.
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So “Occupy Wall Street” comes to Detroit tonight. About 3600 signed up on-line to attend.
This “spontaneous” event is being led by the AFL-CIO and supported by the UAW.
I am sure the irony of the UAW support of a group whose chief complaint is the government bailouts of the Financial institutions is completely lost on most liberals.
A couple of thousand people, mostly from the suburbs, camping out in the streets of Detroit on a Friday night, the most dangerous city in America.
Talk about shooting fish in a barrel.
Don’t see this ending well at all.
The free food will be popular.......
I love the demands for a living wage, ending all debt, but the best,by far is where the OWS-ers call for sex with animals.
I walked through our local chapeter yesterday. Not a single protestor could get a job in an office - it was all tats, long hair, and piercings.
Ah, wasted youth.
Well Spanky you got me there.
Sex with animals?
What's up with that?
Dunno - maybe some of our friends here that support the OWS can 'splain?
Somehow I suspect they will decline.
Bunch of stinky hippies. I hope they publicize the hell out of them, their demands, and their tactics.
It's been called our "American Spring." But given the smell emanating off these people I'd say they need them some Irish Spring.
"I walked through our local chapeter yesterday. Not a single protestor could get a job in an office - it was all tats, long hair, and piercings."
I guess your neck of the woods attracts that, huh, "counselor'?
You need to move up to the high-rent district, dude.
Interesting incident with the Fleabaggers in New York. Turns out they don't mind living in their own filth, so Bloomberg said they could continue to do so. This emboldened the baggers to riot on Wall Street. Confrontation is somewhat new to these neophytes as a young girl and her boyfriend stood in front of the police who were riding scooters (scooters?). The young lass and her beau flashed the Peace Sign at the officers, but the officers had had enough, and ended the confrontation arresting the boyfriend while his hysterical girlfriend looked on.
Turns out you're not supposed to disobey police orders. Who knew?
How many "Demands" of this bunch have been met so far?
There demands will start to met around November 2012.
Well Forrest, I'd love to know how often most of the people have voted in their lifetime.
Probably not much.
And probably not next year.
Gotta know where to go so you can vote.
Yeah Drive but as far as I can see on the TeeVEE, and excluding all the union folk - it's pretty representative.
Or maybe you got all the classy protestors there in Iowa?
I loved the guy who wants his student loan debt wiped out. Se he can't get a job, so him having to pay for his own education is therefore just not fair.
His major? Art History.
Seems like somebody had a great time in college - parties, tail the whole shebang. But real life is different, majors matter and Art history is not a strong line on the old resume.
Too funny. Spanky Jr. and the spare get a choice - they can be plumbers, electricians or if they go to college majors in Engineering or Accounting.
Washington Post article on the regulation argument:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-government/fact-check-contrary-to-republican-claims-in-debate-regulations-are-not-a-huge-job-killer/2011/10/11/gIQADNuodL_story.html
Sounds like the tea people GOP republicans on this thread are talking about their own protests back in 2009 and 2010. We knew what you tea people were like back then, it was just so funny to watch we didn't want to end it.
Sounds like you tea people GOP republicans are scared of the OWS protests.
Was this article about Perry's energy/job policies? I am not sure by the comments here. Good lawd ppl, stay on topic.
America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.
The best way to break this addiction is through technology.
To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants; revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear energy.
We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen. We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips, stalks, or switch grass.
George W. Bush State of the Union Speech 2006
Spanky.
You appear to have Krauthammer syndrom. Also known as being a right wing hack.
Praise for the Tea Party, who were protesting the things the people they helped elect did.
Contempt for these protests, who are protesting the result of the things the people the Tea Party supported resulted in.
It is amusing.
Nothing the GOP says about the econmoy is supported by anything other then their overparroted ideology.
One projection based delusion after another, each one used to support the other.
Why the hell should the Tea Party be "scared", Mo?......right now, they are firmly in control of what happens in DC, and in about 15 months they'll be in charge.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/chart-bush-policies-dominant-cause-of-debt.php
Enough Said.
Spanky, I guess the Tpartiers with their misspelled signs and automatic assualt rifles is better than this demonstration right. The hate filled signs at Tparty rallies, the spitting on senators much more to your liking. How about being denied your rights to assemble, only the right has that. You keep showing us your true nature and I get a picture of you bent over a long lost relative (water buffalo).
The thing that stuck out with the Perry job creation plan is that is doesn't support fracking only drilling? I wonder why....
Doubtful. Stalin isn't running.
Welcome back to 1910....Perry is the ultimate regressive candidate, willing to throw everything away to create a moment of feelin' groovy....this is the way all addicts think, give me my oil fix now....screw tomorrow, I'll be dead by then.
When a republican politician says "Drill baby drill" you should translate that as:
"Ok oil company billionaires! Give huge sums of money to my campaign. Now that we got that whole Citizen's United thing accomplished and you're making record profits with the taxpayer funded subsidies that my fellow republicans have worked so hard to protect -- you can now give me as much money as you want!
As a republican, you can count on me to ONLY vote for things that will make your record profts even bigger -- then you can afford to give us even more money! YEEEEEEHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
SqwaaaaaK! Connies want a cracker? Just what is over regulated..All Perry was able to focus on was the EPA?.But he failed to QUANTIFY anything. Asked that question yesterday but all I got was crickets.
So riddle me this connies: If your assets exceed your liabilities then you are BANKRUPT. Right? If that is true, why can't homeowners use the Bankruptcy Code to renegotiate their underwater mortgages...
Perhaps our resident Big Brained Lawyer Spanky can answer. Comon Spanky you can do it..Crack dem lawbooks.
[Comon Spanky you can do it..Crack dem lawbooks.]
He can't...his library card expired...
Deregulation and free give-a-ways to big oil, are not jobs bills.
Of course the USA could be energy independent utilizing our own fossil fuels while developing renewables. Something that is not talked about besides natural gas abundance is coal liquefaction that actually burns cleaner than gasoline and works in a similar fashion {autos planes} is an old proven technology extensively utilized by Germany in ww2. But Perry is a bust who is a typical politician pandering to the audience,in my opinion when he stated the reason he supported Al Gore against papa Bush was that he didn't realize Gore was a liberal he lost all credibility.
I see the usual NeoNazicon trolls are out in full hater regalia.
It was ok for your teabaggers to march with GUNS though, right?
Hypocritical douchebags.
Whats wrong with you neoNazicons anyway... didn't daddy hug you enough?
DOUCHEBAGGERS are by far a more filthy lot than protestors. Unless for some reason being fat faced, with red high blood pressure, all while sweating like the pigs they are to the point that their shirts are soaked qualifies as 'clean.' Or you know, the filthy bearded guy who rides his ATV through the mud, and decides to load up on beer before having a bucket shower from his shed.
Yeah, Douchebaggers have a LOT on Hippies, LOL.
Why is it the stubborn radicals always seem to have problems with keeping clean? Well, the answer is right there. Either they had parents who didn't care, or they were so stubborn, their parents gave up on them.
OINK OINK DOUCHEBAGGERS. Go roll in the hay with your seal sex loving counterparts you pretend to hate. You probably pretend to hate them so nobody sees you are really having an affair behind the scenes...
[I walked through our local chapeter yesterday.]
Sure you did, Spanky...because if you stepped within 500 feet of the protestors, you would have gotten your ass kicked, just like back in 5th grade...
Niiger Head
Niiger Head
Any oil drilled or "fracked" here will go on the open market to the highest bidder, not kept in this country! So we should destroy our wilderness areas so big oil can keep making huge profits? This oil belongs to the people of this country--the oil companies should be paying the American people for the oil rights, not the American people pay for oil companies to have the rights to sell the oil outside the US or to sell to us for obscene profits! What short-sighted stupidity!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
@ WCA 1.8
Don't worry WCA I and many others like me are helping them figure out exactly where to go and what to do, and the young ones, they are tweeting, twiting, sexting, and texting everybody they know. Later on those energetic, motivated, out to prove a point kids will be walking neighborhoods and passing out literature for Democratic candidates. They will be working phone banks for me calling thousands of people multiple times, to make sure they are properly registered, and reminding to them to vote. These won't be Robo calls, these kids will offer to drive over pick you up and take you to get an ID, and registered, if you need a ride, they will do the same on election day. Republican Robo candidates and Robo calls are one thing but think how happy Grandma will be when her grandson calls and tells he is coming over to pick her up and spend some quality time with her voting to save her SS and medicare, because he loves his grandma, and wants to make sure she is treated right.
If you are a Democrat and you want to elect some democrats, if you want to see this happen, then make it happen, put some work in, earn it, be a part of it, don't just talk about, and blog about it, start registering now, hold yourself responsible to make sure you are currently registered, do not depend on be previously registered, actually hold yourself responsible for personally make sure ten of your friends and family are properly registered for their voting district, and that they cast their vote on election day.
Sometimes it just gets to the point where you can't ride the fence, you are either part of the problem or your are part of the solution, be a part of the solution, and remember friends don't let friends vote republican. Not these days, not this time.
For all it's flaws we still have the best system, you can defeat anything with your vote, you can overcome money, power, greed, corruption, and ineptitude with votes, that has always been our only hope.
Touche SPANKY, Almost every TEA PARTY Rally I see is predominantly white, 50 plus years old with a bunch of borderline Racist posters. Same Mob Garbage, or a particular demographic who thinks their way is the only way..
OWSer's have every bit the right to protest as do the TPer's...
The irony here is that the Teabaggers were the ones to first come out against the banks and corporate pirates with loud rallies and demonstrations.
But, alas, they have now been bought by the Right who brainwashed (like shooting fish in a barrel) them into thinking that they aren't mad at the banks and corporations anymore, but that now they hate Obamacare, the poor and Mexicans. Teabaggers, your movement has been stolen from you by the wealthy right. You seem to forget that most of you were angry white middle class citizens who were furious that those bastards have destroyed the economy and became ridiculously rich in doing so.
You are now no better than sheep. I hope you regain your identity and tell these rich SOBs that you need a fairer tax bracket and that it's about time for the rich to start paying their fair share. THAT WAS YOUR MESSAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
Pathetic!
Ironic isn't it, every four years we have at least one rethugli-con candidate who'se main message is "Drill, Baby, Drill". Alternate energfy? Nope. How sad.
Funny, W didn't say anything about investing trillions of taxpayer dollars in these efforts; he appeared to connote this was the responsibility of the private sector.
I hate to interject an on topic post into the fear created amongest the right by OWS, but what does Perry expect all of America to do? Move to the states that have oil and gas and arm wrestle for the jobs? There's no oil in the craton (for those of you that don't speak geology, that's the midwest, generally), so are they just supposed to go on declining until the only thing you can find in the rust belt is a gas station?
Not much of a jobs bill. Although, they've already started. Here in New Mexico, gullible Hispanics voted for a republican Hispanic Govenor from Texas, and she's already doing her best to give our natural gas resources to Texas oilmen without creating any jobs here in state. I guess reading up on the candidate before voting for them is too much trouble, so we pay the price. And of course a great stink will be raised by no one at the national level unless the race is really close, because our measly 5 electoral votes make us about as interesting as Nebraska, Nevada, and Utah. We all know how often the stuping goes on in our states.
Sorry, Perry, your job's plan works for Texas, but leaves most of the country wondering what the hell you plan to do for them.
Nice, no sorry that was not the word I was looking for, wait, Pathetic try, Perry. No wonder the failed pizza guy is on top.
Do people REALLY want the rest of America to look like Texas?
Do you really want your children to be raised in a country that resembles the mess that is the lone star state?
Pathetic!
Perry's answer to our economic woes is to drill for more oil -- so that we can continue to be dependant on an energy resource that has a diminishing supply worldwide?
The largest transfer of wealth in history has taken place over the last few decades over oil (according to one of his fellow Texans -- T. Boone Pickens) and this Newtbag wants to step it up? Republican solution -- more oil -- less regulation. EPA bad, ---air pollution good.
That might create more jobs for Texas, increase their level of pollution and our climate change -- but it does nothing for the American people overall in my view. It does signal his willingness to be an oil company lackey though -- (if he isn't already) and the campaign funds that flow from that.
What does his god say about being a greedy, lying hypocrite?
Herman Cain the Mouth form the South. Rick Perry the Brainless from Texas.
Mitt Romney the Flipper from the East.
Bachmann, Newt, Santorum, Huntsman the Gang who Cain't Shoot Straight.
....and Ron Paul The Blast form the Past...1775.....before there was Government!
Decisions, Decisions, Decisions!
Yeah Spanky, these protesters are so much more ridiculous than that bunch of old tea baggers who use their social security checks to support candidates who want to end their social security checks.
All sarcasm intended.
Energy is all Perry knows because Texas is an energy producer. However his policies will bolster certain economies, like Texas, while destroying others, like clean energy alternatives. He is a Texas governor. Not a world leader. We need to stick to candidates that can think global. Texas governors are not it. As already evidenced by the other Texas governor turned President, Bush. Do you really want to replay those 8 years America. Isolationism without the benefit of job creation. Numerous terrorist attacks. Illegal war costing $4 trillion. Lost pensions without any penalties for those who gambled with our money.
Everything he proposes are long term employment plans. Just opening Federal Reserves up to drilling will take years of legal battles.
So AnaB - names some of those alternatives.
You mean like Solyndra? It kinda terminated itself. Nope anaB - Obama has slayed green tech. Oh and the sun, cause the MET has predicted a mini ice age in coming.
And well replaying the last 3 years is worse - $4 Trillion in new debt AnaB. Just 3 years.
"You mean like Solyndra?"
No, you illiterate goof- she meant like " Lost pensions without any penalties for those who gambled with our money."
Jesues- can't you read? No wonder you need so many paralegals (i.e.- 'worker-bees') in your shop.
spanks,
If quoting new debt make sure you blame the correct piece of the pie on Obama. It is not $4 trillion is it? And you know it too. Don't play dumb cause you aren't. Posted the source just in case some others, other than you and me who know better, don't take the time to look it up. Have a great weekend Spanks. It's a beautiful day in Northern California today!
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/chart-bush-policies-dominant-cause-of-debt.php
Ah, Drive By, you are funny. AnaB said:
"..while destroying others, like clean energy alternatives."
This would be in reference to green jobs, right drive by?
My favorite game - "whack a Drive By."
What else you got this fine day Drive By?
Uh, not AnaB - you are wrong.
Now I loves me TPM, but you and they are flat wrong.
And don't forget AnaB - $4 billion new debt per day, $3 million per minute.
It is a beautiful weekend. Gonna take the jet skiis down and do some surf riding tomorrow.
This sounds like Jim and Tammy Faye Baker running on a Sarah Palin platform.
Republican Theodore Roosevelt made a lasting monument by creating the National Parks.
Rick Perry just thinks of them as plunder.
The oily-smiled pirate in pinstripes is just another Tea Party thief who wants to tear down.
Sound the tocsin! The barbarians are at the gates, lying smoothly, waiting to sack the country!
Yeah, Ana, those "clean alternative energys" are working soooo well(see Solyndra)!
WOW the BUSH era Tax Cut are KILLING US. End Them NOW!
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/chart-bush-policies-dominant-cause-of-debt.php
She is not wrong.
Your delusion simply blinds you to the facts.
But I will give you a chance to back up your delusion.
Obama's policies are only responsible for less then $2 T of our debt, and most of it was to combat the recession. The vast majority of the increase since 2009 is the result of the effects the recession had. The largest part IS from the Bush administration policies, which are still adding to the debt.
So here's your chance.
Please post the policies from this administration, and their costs, that add up to more then the $2 trillion.
Good luck.
Russia has tried to drill its way into prosperity at the cost of genuinely developing its economy. If we are looking for leadership of America, this is not a good sign at all. Perry's plans sound as though he realizes that he will fail in his run for President. He is now running for governor of Texas again.
The United States is currently the third largest oil producer in the world. Saudi Arabia and Russia are the top two.
The TEA rants and raves that the US cannot spend more than is received in taxes. Debt is a bad, bad thing. If you actually believe that, then it works the same way for oil - you cannot consume more than you produce.
The United States cannot produce enough oil to meet the country's demand. To avoid that 'oil' deficit - the United States will need to either reduce its consumption or find sources of energy other than oil.
Either the 'conservative' philosophy applies to everything in the country OR the 'conservative' philosophy is a lie - being used for 'mine'-ing profits ...
All you got to do is look at the debt totals when President Awesome took over, and now. Simple math.
But I do love the "but, but, it's BUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSHhh's fault."
Uh, no gang, Obama is the President. He's the boss, the buck stops with him, and no one else.
I do love "the effects of the recession."
Really, like the effects of borrowing $.45 of every dollar.
You libbies are just precious.
But what you are really saying is the Obama has no control, which is true. too bad he has tried so hard, and failed so terribly.
@Spanky -- It's not Bush's fault. It IS the fault of 'conservatives' like Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, John McCain, Jim DeMint, etc. that created the problems. Those people were in Congress during the Bush administration, those people were in control of Congress, those people created the problems ...
The people that created the problems are still there. Those problems will not be resolved as long as the people that created them are still in Congress and still creating problem legislation. Republicans are not problem solvers. They are pretty good at CYA politics ...
Spanky that's a ridiculous comment. You're basically saying that Obama has to take account for both wars and the tax cuts which he has minimal control over stopping and never started to begin with. WoW what a pass the buck mentality. You need to own those tax cuts that were supposed to add all of those jobs...Democrats still currently want to roll them back.
LOL!!! If the math were so simple, you would be able to back up your delusion and post the policies that add up.
Very telling you cannot.
LOL!!!
And your naivete is also cute. The congress controls the spending, jr. The president has to follow the law. He cannot simply stop spending on the policies passed in previous legislation.
Ya know, you talk big...but you are a serious lightweight dude.
Republicant:
Oh please, please, PLEASE tell me how I too can become a serious heavyweight.....just like you.
Perrys plan came to him in a dream he had .. unfortunatly he woke up and actually believed the dream that drilling for Oil will create over a million Jobs
Nyger Head
Nyger Head
You could start by dropping the parroted delusion.
Then, try turning off the cable news, doing your OWN research, thinking that research through on your OWN, and coming to your OWN conclusions based on the research.
Then, you would be able to support the things you post...because you would understand the things you post.
In short, study up Jr.
(Didja get anywhere on listing those policies? LOL!!!)
Liberals are funny.
They give Clinton credit for what was clearly Republican Congress in action, and then blame Bush for what has happened on Obama's watch, with Obama's policies, executive orders, and the massive gridlock all caused by "President sit-in-the-back-while-we-clean-up=your-mess".
Perry is spot on regarding energy. Obama would prefer South America take on our energy burden. What a stooge.
And as for the tax cuts, they are now the Obama era tax cuts, as he not only extended them, he praised them, and told us all that it would be crazy to raise taxes during a recession.
But keep up the loonie leftie rants, it makes for good reading, and a chuckle.
Paul F.
Clinton AND the GOP deserve credit for the surplus.
Perry is merely spewing more ideological B.S. Why is it nothing from the right wing holds up during independent anaylysis?
It is intellectually dishonest to suggest Obama would have extended the tax cuts for the wealthy if he did not have to.
It is also true that generally raising taxes is not a good idea in a recession, but neither is cutting spending......something the GOP has been pushing lately...ignorantly.
However, if you raise taxes in areas where it will have little effect on the economy to use the capital in areas it will help, it is good policy. Raising taxes on the wealthy, who's money is not in the real economy, is an example where they can be raised with little impact, especially if that capital is put back into the economy.
Spanky.
P.S.
I guess I have to explain everything, so...
The "effects of the recession" means lost federal revenue and increased manditory outlays.
Study up, Jr.
Listen to Perry. His gov't spending(Enterprise fund) so far in Texas has created over 30,000 jobs. The cost was just around $11,000 per job created. Is that good or bad? Also, part of the 30,000 jobs number appears to be rather inflated, as they take credit for every bio-tech job in the state as being part of this number. I'm not saying that Perry and his staff drastically inflates his job growth numbers to make him look good, after all, his own numbers say it for him.
It is a beautiful weekend. Gonna take the jet skiis down and do some surf riding tomorrow.
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............Hmmm, makes one want to root for the sharks!
What I noticed is that Perry is doing this with his "executive power". Didn't we have the same trouble with the other 2 Presidents from Texas doing what they wanted to do and ignoring everyone else? (I'm old enough to remember Johnson) But, this would help Texas and his good friend from Alaska, of course most of us in Texas will be dead from all the environmental problems it will cause, but should give enough Oil to last us about 3 days.
Actually, those clean energy alternatives are working just fine in the parts of the world that accepted them. It may be still a small percentage, but it's growing and will continue to grow, creating what may well be the next boom industry.
I once heard an interview with the Chinese solar power entrepreneur who was buying the solar panels that reagan ripped off the White House roof. They were old, and weren't up to today's standards, but he wanted them as a nostalgia item. He also thanked Jimmy Carter for backing the early research into solar power, and Ronald Reagan for cancelling America's program, so he could take it over and become rich. If Ron hadn't done that, we would have those jobs right here in the US, right now.
Conservatives who argue that we need to stay in the energy of the past are like people who drive 50 mph in the left lane of a freeway. We aren't asking that you speed up, only that you move to the right lane and get out of our way so we can advance.
How is this good coming from a guy that has devastated the State of Texas with the fracking? He wants to turn the whole country in a dust bowl.
Say No, unlessyou want to see the same things happening in your State, as they are happening in Texas (drought, climate disaster)
@Paul F --
Contrasting Clinton and the Republican Congress of that day with what is happening today -- during 1990s there were more moderate Republicans. The TEA Party did not remove liberals from Congress, the liberals are still there. The liberals will still be there after next election. The TEA Party removed moderates from both parties ...
The Republicans of the 1990s actually attempted to work for the good of the country. The partisan rhetoric may have been as strong - but the Republicans actually compromised to achieve results ...
The 'no compromise', 'no prisoners' tactics of today's Republicans are a serious obstacle to working through any problems. The Republicans have stopped working for the good of the country. The party of 'NO' is offering NO solutions ...
[Study up, Jr.]
LOL...Jr...good one...Spanky HATES being called that...
Instead of lowering oneself to the lowest common denominator, I propose an FR challenge specifically to Spanky but also others like Mixed Bag as follows:
1) Read the article. If it's not of interest, move to another article. It is not necessary to comment on everything.
2) As you read an article, copy and paste interesting parts of the article to a Word document. Then write your viewpoints in regard to those parts. Do this first before you read the discussion.
3) Then scroll through the discussion thread, preferably all the way through before you post, but if it's a long thread at least through the first part. Once again, copy and paste interesting comments you would like to reply to.
4) Please note, you can reply generally without mentioning anyone's moniker. Yes, it's true, it's amazing, but you can.
While it would be nice if you would write in paragraphs rather than a hodgepodge of "one liners," and would stick to the topic, and most of all provide evidence to support claims made, it would be a vast improvement if you could at least exercise items 1-4. Think about it over the weekend, and then try it for an entire week next week. This is the FR challenge.
You may find (to your pleasant surprise) other participants taking you off ignore, and maybe even responding with serious conversation.
Or is it your real goal to merely get attention, to bully, and cause disruption in the forum? If it's the latter, then you are nothing but a troll who should be banned from FR permanently. And if not banned always collapsed. Enough.
We'll be watching to see what you do…
Well said! We would all benefit from accepting the FR challenge.
TruePatriot,
And I would hope that you would equally apply that to the #1 poster on here that ridicules, berates, and posts one liners all the time such as Feisty??
We'll be watching to see what she does...
What market incentives? He's going to do away with government regulation. Without air/water standards, dirty fossil fuels will always be cheaper than green alternatives (or even so-called "clean" coal).
Please, someone say that they realize oil is used for things other than energy.
You're obviously using a computer...
Did you use plastic wrap today?
Do you use Dawn dish soap?
Did you take home food from a restaurant in a plastic or foam box?
Own a cooler, refrigerator, or freezer?
Did you buy food wrapped in plastic?
Are you going to buy your kids plastic toys for Christmas?
Anyone buy a CD or DVD lately?
Drive on asphalt today?
Americans might not make all of these finished products, but we produce the majority of raw materials used to make them. And they all require oil. Even if you are in support of green energy, oil is always going to be a necessity. That is, unless you want to throw away the vast majority of things you use every day. And, you want to unemploy the millions of hardworking Americans that work everyday producing these raw materials.
Oh, here it comes...Chemical companies are evil too! I am waiting for someone to fire that comment at me!
Oh, one more thing. Has anyone gone shopping in a store today? Perhaps to buy those all natural products that save the environment? You guessed it...the evil diesel oil that powers those semi's is the reason they were on the shelf. Ironic that all-natural, environmentally friendly products require diesel oil in order to be sold.
@RoscoeP -- Nothing on your list solely depends on petroleum - there are alternatives for all these things. Plastics can be manufactured from coal, starch, or (heaven forbid) recycled plastic.
Packaging could use paper or cardboard products - nothing must be packaged in plastic. Containers can be metal, ceramic, or glass - plastic is not mandatory. Toys can be manufactured from metal, wood, or ceramics - they last longer, too. Even asphalt can be replaced by concrete (even better - augmented with sulfur and waste glass).
The United States discards a lot of oil. Supposedly that is why Perry wants to expand domestic oil production - to reduce imports. Stop burying oil in landfills and we would reduce imports, too.
And while you're at it, Jr, move to Texas, tell them that your are the daughter of an illegal alien, get college tuition money, and study real hard, especially in those Grammar/Composition 101 classes!
The NY Times had a nice little chart comparing what Bush policies are costing us vs Obama policies:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24editorial_graph2.html?ref=sunday
Sure, many products are made with petroleum chemicals. So what does this have to do with the oil industry specifically and jobs? Very few jobs are created from oil drilling, certainly not compared to manufacturing or construction. Get real, people, Perry is peddling his usual snake oil and probably getting some more kick-backs for doing it.
The really interesting part of this discussion seem to be that Perry thinks we can not only create 1.2 million jobs drilling (in states you can dril) instead of the 3 to 4 million jobs we need to create MONTHLY to get out of the recession.
It's correct that we are the 3rd largetst producer of oil, and about 8,000,000, barrels per day. Unfortunately, we use 18,600,000 bpd. We need to make up the difference somewhere. We are one of only 2 nations that don't make a profit on our oil, because we can't afford to export it, yet US speculators continue to make money here driving the price up. Only when demand hits rock bottom does the price change, like now.
Perry's plan is lacking in any short term growth, unless yo consider gross pay for 30,000 jobs of 5.73 per hour. (I'm assuming these are part time jobs, that's the full time rate.
He has no real millde growth for anyone.
He has no long them growth for anyone that doesn't live in an energy state.
It looks like a pretty dismal plan from my perspective, unless we can get alternative energy with good salaries in all the other states. I'm not going to hold my breath.
Just an aside: Spanky, are you really a lawyer? You are pretty short on facts and long on name calling. Are you a corparate defence lawyer who always settles? I'd hate to have you at my side in a court case.
They are called Tea-Trolls. They infest blogs posting false facts they get from fox news, Rush Limpbaugh and tea party extremist websites.
Nobody is fooled anymore my the filth they spread.
The US was extracting a little over 9 million barrel per day last year. A little over 15% of US production was exported. I believe most of the exports were from the Alaskan fields. Drilling is only part of the equation. The oil must be transported after extraction. Oil transport is where most of the environmental problems occur. Alaskan oil faces the same transport problems as off shore oil.
Rick Perry's 'jobs' ideas illustrate why business models do not work well for government. The business model is based on profit/loss analysis - a policy must 'make money'. The government, on the other hand, must base policy on cost/benefit analysis - does the benefit to the nation justify the cost.
The entire defense budget is justified by cost/benefit evaluation. There is no way to justify the DOD budget by profit/loss analysis. The societal functions of government, such as entitlements, are being evaluated according to profit/loss. That is the political trick the Republicans have been using to argue for smaller government. Making government operate like a business is dishonest and used to deceive the voting public.
Andy,
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because you don't happen to agree with it doesn't make it any less valid or important. Didn't your mom every teach you manners? You're careless and rude comment only invites more nonsense.
You obviously didn't read TruePatriot's post just a few above yours...
Very typical of the mentality on here...but not surprising...
Nerm_L
Your points about production alternatives to oil are correct, but where are all of these alternatives? Where do you find bags of lettuce and deli meat that are packaged in paper and not plastic? Where do you find metal, wood, or ceramic action figures? I haven't seen a metal toy in probably 20 years. Where is the interstate that is completely constructed of concrete? I have not seen one.
All of your points are excellent, but the fact remains that they do not exist. When will they exist? We probably won't be alive to see them.
That's a no brain-er.....less money sent offshore more US jobs
Doesn't mean that at all. Just means more $$ in these CEO's pockets. You are kidding yourself if you really think these companies will hire more people (AT A LIVEABLE WAGE).
Clearly Kat you know nothing about the energy industry. They do pay well, and they are permanent jobs, unlike the fake government Obama bailout jobs that disappear as soon as you run out of other people's money.
1Hiram, You are fooling yourself and others if you think that drilling more and more for oil off of US offshore and on-shore will produce more jobs in the US. For every ten million dollars invested in oil drilling here, perhaps we might create one job in the US and may be five jobs abroad. Why and how? Many of the offshore and on-shore drilling rigs & platforms are manufactured in Korea, Japan and Norway. Only few of the on-shore rigs are made in the USA. Only people that these companies would hire out of that investment in drilling, would be the American Drillers & support staff who are hired here and that would be only in ten thousands at best even if all the oil companies invest, say, $100 Billion in the US in the next 10 years. It's plus or minus and you can check these numbers with the professionals.
So, for Governor Perry to say, drill, drill, and drill baby, may find active listeners in the teabagger community, but in reality it would hardly produce a dent in the unemployment rate of which USA has 24 million people currently. All these drilling activities would produce is more and more Carbon, global climate change, and more of the un-unsual weather activities for years to come and hasten the rise of sea levels and global temperature.
On the contrary, inspite of the Solyndra scandal that is plaguing the Renewable Energy industry, investments in renewable energy will produce more jobs for every $million invested, even though the many of the technologies (wind, solar, geothermal, etc.) are smaller in scope compared to coal or nuclear plants, we (world) will eventually master the technologies and will get there to replace these fossil fuel plants. It's a question of when and who gets there first. China is already first in the race with USA and Europe behind them. Unless we reject idiots like Perry, Bachhman and the likes, we will soon become a third-world nation.
The Republican bill to encourage domestic oil and gas exploration list the creation of 3 million new jobs in the next couple of years. Nothing in the Obama infrastructure would bring new jobs any sooner. Even school construction would happen next June or July at the earliest. The CBO scored the same bill as creating a minimum of 2.6 million jobs in the next couple of years. The Obama people responded saying the green jobs program will creation hundreds of thousands of jobs. Well it has been the same 2 years since the first stimulus and we are still waiting. Of the workers trained for "green jobs" in the first stimulus, only 1% have actually gotten jobs in the green energy industry. So I guess the Obama campaign is counting jobs created in China. These job creation numbers are based on the experience of job creation in the limited amount of exploration in oil shale in the Dakotas and the oil sands of Canada. In those two areas unemployment is now at 3% and under.
Wow.....What was I thinking ccocokat and sux.......thats right they can hire robots to do the work so nobody has to work.....WTF!!!!.......ever take any Econ or Business classes?
That's just absurd - everybody knows you create jobs through "green shoots."
You dump butt-loads of cash in solar panels, wind farms, and neat light bulbs, stand back and BAM - you get you some jobs.
Sure the jobs cost the taxpayers million per job, but the are GREEN!
So you all are up on the latest solar panel company, poised for BK that got a cool Billion?
Obama and Chu have whrecked green, and how.
I think it was half a Billion, even a Billion would be less than most of the Military projects that go belly-up.. How about just starting up some of the drilling sights that the oil companies have permits for now? Great, Perry is back in the race. Now we have to get Bachmann back in the running. Let's face it, without these two it's a One Ring Circus!
GE is opening a solar factory in Colorado that will create several hundred jobs. Guess they want to make up. : )
oops meant to post above!
Spanky you did not answer Republicants statement or challange, one of these days you are going to have to support your claims or go down in flames. You are showing yourself to be a joke if you can do no better than make inflamitory statements without facts (not truth) facts. Remember this is a difference between the two. I have my truth you have your truth but which one is fact. Oh and before you answer that back it up punk!
[...one of these days you are going to have to support your claims or go down in flames.]
Uhm, too late...Spanky Brewster is already toast...and he knows it...
...but then he always strives for adequacy...
Morning Tis.
You settting my schedule now? Had a court appearance, but am back now.
Oh, and Tis - calling me names is just hurtful. Tis - words hurt.
You rtainly so have your truth. I suspect it is a lot like your Hope and you change.
So Tis $4billion per day, is that a fact, or just my truth? $1.5 trillion in new debt last year - truth? 9.1% unemployment - Bush's fault, right Tis.
Tis, I love it when you get all riled up and, dare I say, Feisty.
Nah Spank you are just a cuddly connie pussy..............cat! We all know that your meooooooow is worse than your bite!!!
Spanky stick and stones, your a big boy aren't you. Now I hardly think "Punk" is calling you a name but more an expression of your attitude. And thank for the compliment (Feisty). But once again you avoid the question put to you, always deflecting like the good lawyer you are. bob and weave bob and weave (that the commercial with the chicken). Now were is that 4 trillion you speak off you just mentioned only 1.5 trillon in your rant. Also I am hardly riled up by you put now Perry, or Cain wow what a pair they are.
So Spanky, you must think T Boone Pickins is really wrong - I don't, actually i think we should make it illegal to produce one single engine that runs on oil from anywhere - we could jump start this economy by providing more rail travel remember the wonderful days when one could catch a train and go almost anywhere rather economically? I sure do. I'd gladly park my vehicle most of the time if we had rail service from my hometown to my work town and I'd gladly take a train for travel - nice relaxing and I don't have to stop at all those red neck service stations for fuel and any other junk they try to sell. I'm all for solar, wind, and water power - just enough with the oil, I'm kind of sick and tired of being held hostage by oil, the Saudie's, and the millionairs who like to control the working class. Make solar auto's affordable, guess what, when we use less gass the price comes down - guess that is now what the oil folks want, now is it? poor, poor Perry, guess he was just born with a silver foot in his mouth too (part of this quote taken from the late and only honerable governor from Texas in many years, Anne Richardson).
Spanky, you could do 8 Solyndra's a year just for the cost of the 4 billion in subsidies to outrageously profitable oil companies, your going after chump change Spanky why not go after something that wastes 8x as much as Solyndra each and every year, year in and year out. One eighth of the unnecessary free gift we give big oil each year is why I could give a hoot about the Solyndra failure, we could do that seven more times before any republican would be justified in their phony act of concern for prudent use of our tax dollars.
Why does this guy keep thinking whats good for Texas is good for the USA?
Texas and the USA are two different Nations. While Texas allows illegal immigration, we in the USA dont.
While Texas allows Big Corporations (ENRON) and Wall street to trump on the average American through Tax loop holes and greed, we in the USA dont want any part of that.
While Texas allows religion, politics and Oil to mix freely, we in the USA dont.
So Mr. Toxic Texan Rick Perry, please let what happens in Texas stay in Texas...leave the legendary Texas barbeque and those cow girls on your way out though buddy...those two we could use up here in the USA...heehaw...I mean git R done...
So now they want to take shots at the "subsidies". Do these dim wits even know why companies or industries are given these benefits?
It is to explore, invest, and CREATE JOBS. You see they actually DO create REAL jobs for ACTUAL AMERICANS. As opposed to Solyndra, who put 1,000 people on unemployment.
Cute. Stupid, but cute.
Spanky STFU already,its cool every now and then when u spew the rubbish u do,but come on man its getting old..When President "Awesome" as u call him took over the debt wasnt where it is right now because President "Peanut Brain" never put them on THE BOOKS..Enough with solyndra,its over and done,and just u falter once doesnt mean u give up. Y do u even come on 1st read? i mean not encrouching on ur 1st ammendment right, but wouldnt it be neater to be on fox with idiots like u where u can spew as much hot air as u all like and give urselves pats on the back for the one that comes up with the craziest thought of the day?
So who is actually buying that Spanky is an attorney? Everything Spanky posts if full of lies and stupidity. She/he or whatever is a total far right GOPer who has no time for reality, truth or facts. Why bother with her?
[So who is actually buying that Spanky is an attorney?]
Nobody...He's not...but he does play one on First Read...and he has seen waaaay too many episodes of Matlock, Ally McBeal, and Night Court.
[Everything Spanky posts if full of lies and stupidity.]
Yep...yep...that about sums it up in a nut sack...
Quincy,
you said "Enough with solyndra,its over and done". Really? it just happened, but yet you sit here and shove this "its Bush's fault" crap down everyone's throat still. In your own words "Enough with [remove solyndra and put in Bush], its over and done".
What's up with that Bill Clinton saying that we should NOT raise taxes right now on ANYBODY even Millionaires and Billionaires.
Anybody want to jump in on that?
Anybody?
Bueller?
Sure, I'll try...
(First off, he makes a lot of sense...)
The only time any of the geniuses on both sides here gives any credence to anything their opponents say is when it supports their own position...
So you're no different from your liberal counterparts...
I did not hear him say that.......link please
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/chart-bush-policies-dominant-cause-of-debt.php
dave letterman show night before last
solutions539
great link. where's the one about those very same tax cuts being obama's tax cuts and his ramping up the wars?
Hey Raab...whats up with you watching a "lefty" like Letterman...bored since Fox "news" canceled Glenn Beck?
You realize Karl Rove spliced two Clinton statements together to make it look like he said that, right? It's called obfuscation, and status quo Republicans like Rove are experts at it.
He also says not to decrease spending in this economic climate.
Pardon me, that was an American Crossroads commercial, not Letterman. I couldn't open the link.
[...that was an American Crossroads commercial...]
Well, then...that explains a lot, now doesn't it.
One reason, it is the truth. Even Obama said in 2009 that it was a bad idea to raise any taxes during a recession. So why did he change his mind. He claims he didn't. He says this new tax will not start until 2013. The President is forecasting 7% GDP growth by that time and we won't be in a recession. Problem is Obama has forecast 7% growth for each of the last three years. He forecast 7% GDP growth for 2010 & 2011 in the tax forecasts in the Health Care Reform (Obamacare). We have had 0.7% GDP growth in 2011 instead of 7%. All Clinton is saying is that the Obama administration economic forecasting SUCKS!! We shouldn't consider raising taxes until we are out of the recession.
Wonder how many wells will come in in Ohio? Michigan? Delaware? Maine? Indiana?
This is a great plan. All 50 states will be flush with oil dough in no time.
Wonder why Obama didn't think of it??
(and if it fails, maybe Mrs P will get in front of the cameras and cry on Rick's behalf, as to how the 'geology' of these areas were 'brutal' to him)
Wonder why Obama didn't think of it??
Yep drive By cause none of those states could benefit from cheap gas or heating oil, right?
Look we all know you rock a Volt, so the price of gas is of no matter to an ecologically conscious person like yourself. You also must have a great solar system on your big house - you of course support Obama and his green tech drive, so naturally you are all solar and hybrid.
But the rest of us are slow to adapt. That Volt of yours, like solar panels are expensive. We are rich like you, so the price of gas is super important to us.
Hey Drive By - can you tell me why gas costs $3.80 here in Cali, but only $3.20 in Az?
What's up with that? You don't think it might be over regulation here in the great state of Cali?
Spanky you'd better watch using the word rock, that doesn't sit well with Perry.
Gee, drive-by, it appears that you don't know any more about geology than you do about economics.
Spanky how long before we run out of oil? Difference in gas prices, state taxes, transportation fees, pipline cost and of course your regulations of environmental protection. Don't need that whats a little oil spill now and then. How about some exploding gas lines taking out entire blocks of homes with people in them yeh right collateral damage no biggy right, unless its your home, your back yard that turns black with oil. Can you be anymore self absorbed than this.
Tis - you gots to pay attention. We now have over 120 years of oil under the USA alone. ain't technology bitchin'?
Tell you what there Tis - walk you talk:
You got a Hybrid/plug in car?
Solar panels on the homestead?
Bike to work everyday?
Nope, why then I guess you loves you some oil might fierce, eh Tis?
Did I mention I love it when you get all riled up?
What, forget to call me a name on this post?
Please explain how drilling more oil will get us out of debt. Oh wait it, it won't -- it will continue to afford oil companies record profits while they drive up prices. You seem to think that suddenly oil companies will be charitable if we let them rape our federally protected lands. No, those lands are for the PEOPLE to enjoy, not the wealthy few to ruin for their own gain.
How about we include ALL of the costs of drilling and our oil addiction in the cost of a gallon. Since it affects our security, we need to include the cost of some of the wars (especially Iraq and Kuwait). All of the costs of accidents and pollution also need to be included. Maybe when the true costs of our dependence on fossil fuels is included in the price people will see how much it really costs us and we can move forward with green technologies.
spider-737231
"Gee, drive-by, it appears that you don't know any more about geology than you do about economics."
Something tells ME that YOU don't know much about sarcasm, Spidey.
Why Spanks I think you are getting excited, now are you talking about Oil shale or oil sands. Oil shale is in Colorado and Wyoming but seems to be a little out of reach right now. its seems the cost is a little steep and oil sands are in canada again it has limits due to the type of oil it is and shale oil is still being looked as to its uses. See I know how to read. Hows your caddy these days still sucking 12mpg. As for my conservation I do everything I can afford to do to save resourses. I asked what you do to conserve but I suspect your more into preserve like pickling your liver.
LOLOLOL - Spanky and the Republicans running for office. It's like OUR GANG - dead and buried, nothing left but the smell! Ha hahaha
Interesting - my post is totally gone! Don't even know how that happens. Oh well, Perry is delusional. He has no ideas worth talking about and no chance in h-ll of getting elected.
Well we know he'll be gassing up the jet ski's so he can waste resources riding a machine on the water this weekend, right?
Something tells me Spanks is not at all concerned about finite natural resources. Quite the contrary.
"But it's about our children and grandchildren" Well if we got's 120 years of oil underneath, what are our grandchildren's children gonna do Spanks? Care to answer that "counselor"?
[Tis - you gots to pay attention.]
Well, it seems you are, again, playing the part of hypocrite...read on, "counselor"...
[We now have over 120 years of oil under the USA alone. ain't technology bitchin'?]
Well well...lookie at you, gettin' all technical on us...I will give you credit for being half right, but if "technology" was sooo "bitchin'", how come we haven't figured out how to process that shale oil in a cost-efficient manner? Because our current technology is holding us back, that's why.
Sure, the "oil" is there, trapped as shale oil, and it costs a buttload of money to extract and process. And have you ever been to the Rockies? Of course you have...you've been "around", right "counselor"? Not your average walk in the park, now is it. Very remote....even if we started drilling YESTERDAY for oil that we could extract, you know damned well that you won't see a barrel of oil for 8 to 10 YEARS...of course you do...
...that's bitchin', huh?
...you REALLY are a one trick pony, aren't you...now you just jump back on your scooter and mosey along...
Mickey
And how long do you think it takes to build a 500kw Solar Farm????
Does anyone actually believe Spanky is an attorney? Not a chance. As for Perry, all the jobs he created in Texas are minimum wage.
PERRY IS A DIRT BAG
Texas governor Rick Perry tried to sideline a state commissioner who opposed expanding the scope of a nuclear-waste landfill owned by one of the governor's biggest political donors, Reuters has learned.
Bobby Gregory, owner of a wildlife ranch and landfill company south of Austin, had opposed a plan to let 36 states send nuclear waste to a 1,338-acre site in Andrews County.
On the other side of the issue was billionaire Harold Simmons and his company Waste Control Specialists LLC, which stood to gain millions of dollars from accepting out-of-state shipments. Simmons had donated over $1 million to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.
perry speaks with fork tounge as do all the pub canidates, as well as all the pubs!
vote this party out of existance and restore our country!
Good 'Ole' Slick Rick. He knows the only answer to all our problems: more oil. Let's drill in Yellowstone and Glacier National Park too. Lots of oil there! The oil companies don't want anymore oil. What they do want is more land opened up for oil drilling so they can get more oil depletion tax credits. There's more than enough oil out there now. If the Republicans were really serious about energy conservation, they would propose more taxes on gasoline. As anyone who travels to foreign counties knows, gasoline is usually around $6-7/gallon because of taxes. In rich countries like Switzerland, it doesn't affect them that much, but in Latin American countries with the exception of countries where the government subsidizes fuel like Venezuela and Ecuador, to name a couple, people do adjust. Of course they utilize public transportation more and drive very small cars. Poor soccer moms would go crazy without their big OPEC friendly SUVs.
I am simply amazed by the lack of knowledge that comes from people's minds. Maybe some have forgotten that we would think you're a Brain surgeon until you open your mouth. Read the facts before you respond and prove you're an idiot
Texan,
How about you take the onus? Show us YOUR brilliance. Not so much, eh?
Well thank you for the correction. You must have been one of the one I was talking about. Your so quick to respond
His moment has passed...
Wish he would :)
Go home to Texas..Please!
Yes Bill CT, Just let him rest at his @!$%#head campsite til the election is over.
Is he going to sign an executive order that demands that oil extracted fro the us can only be sold in the US? Because right now all oil no matter where it comes from is sold on the world commodities market, and if we do that, then will other countries withhold their oil from us, because we never have and never will be able to produce all the oil we use. The earth has a finite supply of oil, it is a world commodity, in the long run it can only get more and more expensive, and we continue to spend an ever increasing, unimaginable share of our wealth chasing it. Whatever country figures out how to get away from oil first, will win the best future for it's citizens, someday down the road everybody will have to copy them, they will have no choice, because no matter how much oil you find, it wont be enough, and you just hasten the day when you will forced to find an alternative. Frankly if we got oil we should hoard it, our military will need it, so we can attack other countries for their oil.
forrest grump 2.0
how dare you interject facts into fantasyland
And three countries (US, China, and India) are consuming 75% of all of the earth's natural resources. At the current rate of consumption growth, those three countries will deplete all of those resources by the end of this century most likely. Remember that oil, gas, iron ore, copper, all other minerals, etc. are all FINiTE. They cannot be "regenerated" like trees.
Of course, the consumer (all of us) really don't think about that, now do we? We won't still be around at the turn of the next century. So, consume all you want and to hell with the future generations.
I could have told the press what he would say well beforehand........drill, pollute and skim.......and of course cut taxes. Where is the news and how is this different from any of the right wingers?
Recently many of the Republican Presidential candidates, along with numerous political ad campaigns have touted claims that reducing regulations on businesses would create up to one million new jobs in our economy. What is pertinent in considering these claims is the fact that the jobs they refer to do not, and can not, actually exist. Displayed below is an ad for one of these “so called” jobs. It is alarmingly clear that no individual can meet all of the qualifications for the position. In fact, it is highly unlikely that the job poster’s company even has any current employees that meet these qualifications in full. The job posting can be independently viewed on indeed.com.
AD:
Regional Sales Manager - Western U.S.
Koch Knight LLC - East Canton, OH
See original job posting at Koch Industries, Inc. »
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Sales Manager – Western U.S. will have primary responsibility for sales and service of all products and services sold to all customers located in New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon and Washington. Overall key objective of this position is to increase Koch Knight’s Western U.S. market share in CPI, Sulfuric Acid, Hydrometallurgical Mining, Surface Protection Systems and Environmental Market segments. The Sales Manager will also be responsible for market development activities in assigned territory and provide marketing and technical support. The Sales Manager will work closely with Company’s other sales personnel, customer service, engineering, manufacturing and accounting under a matrix organizational structure to achieve the primary objective. The incumbent will ensure that sales and marketing efforts in assigned territory support the Company’s overall strategy and goals.
The ideal candidate will be based in either Utah or Nevada.
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Responsible for direct sales to all accounts in assigned region
Analyze market and develop Western U.S. sales and marketing strategy
Become the internal champion for Western U.S. region
Work with internal sales personnel and engineering to develop sales opportunities
Research, identify and develop new customers and applications in regional markets
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Develop pricing strategy to meet market requirements and internal profitability goals
Develop annual budgets and periodic sales forecasts
Conduct regional SWOT analysis to identify and develop new opportunities
Provide service support to key Hydromet Mining customers.
Other sales and marketing responsibilities as assigned
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Technical background through experience or education
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15 years working experience in refractory /acid resistant linings industry
Minimum 5 years experience in technical sales / business development / product management / marketing / refractory acid brick installation
Excellent written and oral communication skills
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Preferred bachelor’s degree in engineering: Ceramics / Chemical / Materials / Mechanical / Metallurgy
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One million of these jobs Perry refers to will not help our economy one bit.
That's right, Check: Perry's gonna import Chinese coolies to work all of those oil fields, right?
yeah but the 0 jobs the libo progressive demos has created
has helped? liberal propaganda! i don't love big oil companies
but create cheap energy and jobs! i know i live in louisiana
and since Obomo started his nazi regulations i know many
have no jobs! so you can take your anti-big oil green energy
crap and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Zero jobs, Ervin?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/privatejobs_mar11.jpg
Ervin Cohen:
its difficult enough reading comments from 99% of TP and Republicans but at least get some facts right- maybe one. For your own benefit drop the nazi comments- it only further marginalizes any comments you may have
Hey Ervin.....What regs...Citation please! BTW weren't ya'll whining during the BP spill? Just askin?
And since you brought up the subject of NAZISM/Fascism I would suggest that you return to school for you see when your government is in bed with big industrialists like hitler was with Krupp, Zeiss et al, that is more akin to what the Teabags are advocating today. Political scientist agree that the "right" is closer to Fascism. Got it now?
Let's see.....wasn't there a wind farm project in TX that was handed over to the Chinese? Didn't he award a major highway project to the Chinese? 1 million jobs for whom?
Cliff notes version - "born with a silver spoon in your mouth"
Nice graph Toasty. But what does it represent????
That was the state awarding the project to the Chinese.
Oh, duh. The graph illustrates the private sector job creation/loss rate.
What I see all over the comment pages today is fear......fear of OWS.....even Cantor and the rest of his ilk have backed off......no nasty words today from the pols....hmmmm
Yeah, Kathryn, we're ALL absolutely petrified by a gaggle of societal losers tromping around carrying signs with illiterate messages on them.
When left starts to implode like it is the best thing for the right to do is to step aside and let them.
The 99% will prevail. You better just WATCH. Tea Partiers better get a clue. Rebuplicans too. VOTE these clowns out in 2012.
"When left starts to implode like it is the best thing for the right to do is to step aside and let them."
Lol - the definition of imploding is all the sorry sack candidates the GOP is offering up!
So let me get this straight... $535 million for an unlucky investment to save an American company from the evil communist Chinese versus $40 BILLION AND COUNTING on JUST the BP oil spill. And yet Perry is still pushing for "Spill, Baby, Spill?"
Believe BP is paying that bill Toasted.
I like that: "Perry is still pushing for "Spill, Baby, Spill"."
The repubs nickname could be:
a. Drill & Spill;
b. Evangelize & Exploit;
c. Leverage & Hoard;
d. Deregulate & Destroy.
No, they aren't TTTH. The democrats tried to raise the liability cap, but a certain party blocked it. It's your and my tax dollars are paying for everything over $75 million. You can do the math on this one.
What a moron. We can not only create more jobs, but expand an ENTIRE INDUSTRY by shifting our energy sourcing away from drilling and toward sources that don't crap up the environment.
Really? What is more efficient and less or equally inexpensive as oil/gasoline as an abundant source of entergy?
Abundant? If oil were that abundant, BP wouldn't be drilling for it 5000 feet underwater in the Gulf of Mexico. If it were abundant, Canadian tar sand would not be on the table. If it were abundant, there wouldn't be such a misguided push to go for the scraps that exist in ANWR. If you want abundance, look at that bigass fireball in the sky that's going to burn for another 4.5 billion years for starters.
Oil proponents can't see past a single source. If you can't find a single source to replace oil, then your brains go all a-flutter. A shift to multiple sources that won't run out and won't sludge up the parts of the world you could care less about because it's not in your backyard shouldn't break your brain.
Pollute baby pollute.....
Howze about we start using up the domestic oil resources as soon as possible that my great-grandchildren and their heirs will be looking to use in 100-200 years?
Whoa you liberal lacktard, they won't need to use "our" oil because they will have future energy resources we don't have today. Why the hell do you think we are opposing all the alternative energy programs?
Yea, I think this type of logic is just the thing this country's leadership needs. Warped, but entertainingly interesting.
Didn't the new republican heavy congress tout more jobs when they were campaigning???
Where are those jobs???
Hmm.. Last Tramp to say "Drill Baby Drill" lost..
Guess Perry has no new material.. Much like the rest of the whiney bunch.. At least he makes Santorim look good. haa..
We suffer down here in Texas from polluted water and air. Is that what you really want for your country? If you do, then I indeed need to move away. Americans have just become too stupid, and will foul their nest until they all just die.
I wonder how Texans respond to the drought and the billions of gallons of water used in fracking.
The Texas Water Development Board estimates the total amount of water used for fracking statewide in 2010 was 13.5 billion gallons. That's likely to more than double by 2020, and decline gradually each decade after that until dropping back down to current levels between 2050 and 2060.
This isn't brackish water but potable water because brackish water could damage equipment due to impurities.
Meanwhile farmers are losing their crops and consumers also are affected by higher prices due to supply problems.
Texas has known about their water shortage for more than 10 years. Maybe 5 years ago they came up with a plan to help ease that and Perry refused to support it. Now it's twice as expensive to implement if it were to be done. All this time Perry is protecting his Rainy Day Fund for an emergency. I think it's there for his hair expense account.
He replenished that raining day account with the federal money and declared that same hand-out "evil" the day he accepted it! - he and Palin would make a good team and lets not forget the wife who says we are all picking on God's chosen one! LOL
James 331
Your another idiot. You can't speek for This state fool. Just jump on the band wagon but leave Texas out of your mouth. I have been here my entire life and don't need someone like you to say anything. If you don't like it here move. Perry has done more for this state than anyone, if you can't see that then explain why we have one of he strongest job markets around.
Jobs created by Rick Perry in Texas (courtesy of Jeff Dunham and his character Walter)
"Welcome to Wal-Mart. Get your s**t and get out."
If you call that a "strong job market" please make a visit here to the Denver area. 1) You might learn something about real jobs and 2) We always enjoy extra tourist dollars.
It's been pretty much agreed that most of the jobs he created were low paying jobs - minimum wage or under. Hasn't Rick Perry and the GOP learned anything from the BP oil spill and the damages caused by it? Haven't Americans given up other important jobs - manufacturing, engineering, etc. to foreign countries? Why just oil related jobs? Why just jobs to help a few states and people already corrupt in their profits?
Perry says: "Make what Americans buy. Buy what Americans make. And sell it to the world."
Translated: America is for sale to the highest bidder. It starts with me as your president taking right off the top. Forget about the cancer causing pollutants that will continue to spread more rapidly across America. As we shackle the hands and power of the EPA, you will get a job!
So, don't worry about your future, don't worry about the future of your children. Worry about what you can get right now cause none of us in this young country of ours are gonna live forever! Yesirry Bob
It's all about "drill baby drill" because that is all he knows.
So he's going to govern by Executive Order to avoid Congress. Congress may be dysfunctional but the Constitution gives it a role in our government. How does that square with all the talk about the Founding Fathers and the Constitution?
Wonder how Congress would respond to that - especially if the Teapublicans have majorities in both the House and the Senate.
Perry is an EMPTY, Racist WALL Street clone CLOWN...sickening utterly sickening.
Your comment makes no sense. How is he racist? If you are talking about a rock located on property that he doesn't own, then you are really stretching.
yeah, its not like he went there lots and lots and held countless gatherings there and could possibly have known what its name was as an elected politician who might have, um.. thought twice about it...oh, wait...
I really don't see the logic here. If we're drilling and drilling we're NOT breaking our dependence on oil, we're prolonging it. Obama's taking the right approach, he's investing in RENEWABLE energy.
He leased the property and was, and is responsible for the racist comment.
What is better than oil for propelling your car, airplanes, boats/ships, etc. Oil is the most efficient, cheapest form of energy.
What is better than oil for propelling your car, airplanes, boats/ships, etc. Oil is the most efficient, cheapest form of energy.
Bookem' Danno: "efficient, cheapest", and when & if it's GONE? ? WHY NOT, RENEWABLE, "GREEN", ENERGY? ? Keep us alive longer! !