Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 economic plan got lots of attention at last night’s debate. It was said, in fact, 24 times, by NBC’s count.
Despite Jon Huntsman’s quip, it is not the “price of a pizza.”
So what is it, and what does it do? It would completely change the tax structure in the country and replace it with a:
- 9% income tax,
- 9% national sales tax, and
- 9% corporate income tax
Deductions, including the popular mortgage deduction, would be eliminated. There would be an exception, however, for charities.
It eliminates the capital-gains tax, which benefits those who make money in the stock market. And it eliminates the payroll tax, which funds Social Security.
Because of the current progressive tax system, the poor, working class, and many considered middle class pay zero (or close to zero) in income tax. They account for about 40% of the country.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center is readying a report on Cain’s plan, though it is waiting for more details from the campaign. But it has come to some conclusions already.
Cain’s plan "cuts taxes for the rich and raises taxes on the poor,” Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the center, tells First Read. He added that it would create a "much more regressive tax system.”
The plan would represent a “major tax cut” for the rich and raise taxes “substantially” on the poor and middle class, Williams said. "Given that a big chunk doesn’t pay any income tax, this would be a big tax increase on people at bottom end. At the top end, the opposite happens."
The top end would go from about a 35% income tax rate to 9%. "That's a big, big drop," Williams said, adding that the capital-gains tax would be another added benefit for the wealthiest. "People at the top would see far and away the largest share of the gains. Those people are going to see a huge tax cut."
Currently, there is no federal sales tax. There are state sales taxes, however, and Cain’s plan would add 9% to those. So, in Iowa, for example, where there is a 6% sales tax, that would mean a 15% sales tax.
On MSNBC’s The Daily Rundown with Chuck Todd this morning, Cain defended his plan, saying there has been a lot of “misinformation” and “misperceptions” about it. He noted that with the payroll tax being eliminated, that would be something of a built-in cushion to deal with the sales tax.
He also said a family of four with a household income of $50,000 a year would pay $10,000 in income taxes and have enough left over to pay for goods, despite the sales tax increase.
“Today under the current system, they will pay over $10,000 in taxes assuming standard deductions and standard exemptions,” Cain claimed. “I’ve gone through the math -- $10,000. Now, with 9-9-9, they’re going to pay that 9% personal tax on their income, so that’s only $4,500. They still have $5,500 left over to apply to the sales tax piece, and if you go and look at how much of it they would probably spend on sales taxes for new goods, not used, used goods they don’t pay a sales tax. They are still going to have money left over, Chuck.”
But that is not exactly the case.
In fact, a family making $50,000 a year with two children would only pay about $776 in income taxes when standard deductions are factored in, based on 2010 Internal Revenue Service levels. (In fact, not factoring in deductions, a married couple filing jointly making $50,000 a year would pay $6,666 in income tax, not $10,000. But what’s important for tax purposes is “taxable” income.)
Here’s the math:
- Gross Income: $50,000
- Subtract the 2010 standard deduction: $11,400 (2011 is $11,600)
- Subtract the personal exemption (essentially the number of people in the house): $14,600 ($3,650 x 4)
- That brings us to a taxable income of $24,000
- The tax on a married couple filing jointly at $24,000: $2,766
- Then, deduct an additional $2,000 ($1,000 child tax credit x 2)
That comes out to just $766. And that doesn’t include other potential exemptions, like educator credits, moving costs, student-loan interest, health-savings accounts, etc.
Conservatives are also not thrilled with the plan, specifically because of the sales-tax piece. The sales tax without income taxes being zeroed out is something Williams says makes conservatives nervous, because they see that as a potential "spigot" the government could use when budgets get tight.
It’s unclear what this would mean for revenue yet, Williams said, adding that he would need more detail from the campaign.
It’s also unclear what exactly the sales tax would apply to. Cain this morning on The Daily Rundown said it would not apply to used items. If it applied to houses, food, and other items, that could be a significant change.
An email to the Cain campaign this afternoon has so far gone unreturned. First Read will update when we hear back.


Ohhh boy, crazy uncle Ron was right again...!!! Lol...
The only crazy people around here are the ones not voting for Ron Paul...!!! How many times does he have to be right before America pulls it's head outta it's ass...!? I guess it's like the donations from active duty soldiers, he gets more than everone else combined... In this case he's right about everything he says more than everyone else combined...!!! Lol...!
I'm not sure the 9-9-9 is all that, but I do find it interesting that when declaiming this as 'unfair!', 'hurting the middle class!' the FICA and Medicare taxes are not included. When claiming 'the rich do not pay their fair share!' FICA and Medicare are always included.
Not to be picky, but Iowa's sales tax is 7%...
Ron Paul 2012!
Nevermind my last comment. 6% state tax and a 1% local optional tax.
There is NO way is hell that this plan has any chance in hell of passing both the house and senate if by some miracle Herman Cain gets elected. As of right now, I am fairly sure that President Obama is on his hands and knees praying to God that Herman Cain gets the Republican nomination as it represents the easiest path to victory for him.
"It's real simple Joe, I have economic adivisors around me that are from the Federal Reserve that I used to work for. They will give me all the sophisticated analysis needed to keep on helping my elitist Fed Reserve, IMF, Rothchild puppet masters".
Same CRAP over and over and over again. Ron Paul is the only hope, the only one that tells the most truth.
Cain will be gone in under 45 days.
The number 9 is significant in many ways.
It is held in great reverence by all who study the occult sciences; and in mathematical science it possesses properties and powers which are found in no other number.
The number 9 symbolizes the finality or judgment is committed unto Jesus as "the Son of man" (John 5:27; Acts 17:31). It marks the completeness, the end and issue of all things as to man — the judgment of man and all his works.
The Japanese consider 9 to be unlucky because it sounds similar to the Japanese word for "pain" or "distress"
The "nine bows" is a term used in Ancient Egypt to represent the traditional enemies of Egypt
In China, the dragon often symbolizes the Holy Emperor, and the number nine can be found in many ornaments in the Forbidden City.
The first nine days of the Hebrew Month of Av are collectively known as "The Nine Days" (Tisha HaYamim), and are a period of semi-mourning leading up to Tisha B'Av, the ninth day of Av on which both Temples of Jerusalem were destroyed.
The number 9 is revered in Hinduism and considered a complete, perfected and divine number because it represents the end of a cycle.
The Beatles Sang of "Revolution 9" on the White Album.
There are nine circles of Hell in Dante's Divine Comedy.
"... the end justifies almost any means ..." &
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth"
They conveniently left out the employment tax which is 15.3% of $50,000 = $7,650 (I am self employed, and trust me, EVERYONE pays the full amount, no deductions or adjustments). Since this is a payroll deduction, must people do not even realize how much the Federal Government is taking from you - just look at your paycheck sometime.
Add the $766 and you get $8,416. Taking out the $2,000 credit assumption and you are out $10,416
So Mr. Cain was exactly right in using $10,000 for an average total amount of Federal Tax paid.
So are you a "brainwashed", "useful idiot / sheeple" and believe what they tell you or do you think for yourself?
Rules for Radicals.......
You ONLY pay that tax on EARNED INCOME. If business owners don't choose to take EARNED INCOME (rather, they take long term capital gains) they will not pay any FICA taxes. That's why LTCG are (in fact) loopholes.
No wonder you need to say, "trust me".
Cain is Pro-Tax, Pro-Fed, Pro-War, Pro-Tarp!!!! Hey that's new! NOT!
A large portion of the U.S. population will suffer a large tax hit under 9-9-9. In states that have an income tax, poorer people will incur possibly a 15% tax hit (9% Federal + 6% State), in addition to the consumption tax. Of course, wealthy people will like this! The rich will benefit from a tax cut. The $64 question is will the added revenue paid by the poorer segement of the population offest the loss of revenue from the wealthy? My gut says no.
Nein! Nein! Nein!!!!