Feisty,

The headline on HuffPo:

Holy Mittromony!

(With a big wet sloppy hug from Christie.)

Do the jokes write themselves, or not?

When will the poor, disabled, old, or unemployed Tea People wake up?

.....my bad....there aren't any!

(With a big wet sloppy hug from Christie.)

Don't you mean sweaty GF? lol

Do the jokes write themselves, or not?

And I thought 2008 was a whole lot of fun... we ain't seen nothin yet! ;o))

Chilled - that's because they work for a living and don't wait for handouts.

Yup, REB(numbers)...I can see Grandma hobbling in to work her minimum wage job on her walker!

Nice!

Eric Cantor is in the house not the senate.

REB -- Yes the Teabaggers are a part of the struggling working class too, and many are on Social Security, disability and unemployment. They can't wake up to the fact that they vote against their own best interests. Why such people protect CEOs earning outrageous incomes compared to their employees, and worse pay a lower effective tax rate than their employees is mind bending.

Eric Cantor is in the house not the senate.

Where did I mention he was in the Senate?

Chilled

Good for you. We do and have always taken care of them. It's lazy able-bodied chumps like you that we don't want to have look after as well.

What is the 'Helping the Middle Class' section in the jobs bill?

Serious question.

On a lighter note...how about Koch Industries...being investigated because one of their subsidiaries was doing business with Iran...bribery...huh...who'da thunkit...

...gee...ya think greed is THAT powerful?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/10/11055/koch-industries-exposed-bribery-secret-iran-sales-and-more

teknishan

That's the part where he sends money to the states to hire back the teachers etc. that were laid off because the states have no money thanks to the outrageous pension and medical benefits they gave the unions and now have to meet. Don't worry, it will only last another year and then the states will be back in the same boat and the same people will be laid off again for the same reason.

it's the same thing he did in 2009 and now he wants to do it again.

"Eric Cantor is in the house not the senate."

"Dog", or "Out"?

Actually, better yet, define 'middle class'.

25,000/yr - 100,000/yr?

I can't really see that as a single 'class', despite what our politicans say. Those guys aren't exactly going to run into each other househunting.

The acknowledgement that the White House is now interested in breaking up the bill follows a Monday meeting between Obama and Senate Democratic leaders.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/186737-white-house-braces-for-defeat-of-obama-jobs-package

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What does this tell you about what the President KNEW going into this process?

REB-1013231

Spoken like a true tea bagger. Gosh, where do you people come from?

Aw Danger - maybe he was kinda hoping the GOP would vote "present?"

Of course that still leaves those racist, puppy hating dummies: Manchin, McCaskill, Nelson, Tester and Casey.

Surprising, seeing how Reid's got him the magic underwear and all.

Hey, maybe they can get all bi-partisan and vote for a budget?

No way, not Harry.

teknisham - you need to lay off that kind of talk Mr. or TruePatriot will revoke your Team Blue membership.

teknishan

according to Chuck Schumer

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) Does Not Support Obama’s Tax On Incomes Over $250,000 Because That Is “Firmly In The Middle Class” And “Not Rich.” “But the president also wanted to raise taxes on families making more than $250,000 a year by limiting income-tax deductions they can take. That didn’t sit well with rank-and-file Democrats. Schumer said families that earn $250,000 or $300,000 a year aren’t rich enough to deserve extra taxes. He described them as ‘firmly in the middle class. They are not rich, and in large parts of the country, that kind of income does not get you a big home or lots of vacations or anything else that’s associated with wealth in America,’ he said.”

Read more: http://www.gop.com/index.php/research/comments/the_white_house_position_on_taxes_according_to_schumer/#ixzz1aViZAHZb

Job 1. I come from New York why do you ask??

REB and Job1 - have you all been paying attention to Cali?

We are the heart of Blue, progressive through and through, and yet things just don't seem to be all wine and roses around here.

No, Jerry Brown had got a big pile of steaming crap to deal with, all with a very blue state legislature.

Oh and now several municipalities are about to go under. It really is paradise. Thanks progressives, your ideas are fantastic.

It's the moment of truth alright Obama, as in you're not on the side of it.

Spanky,

Team Blue membership?

eh...I'm feeling more Team Purple any more. Both parties are leaving me behind as they split in opposite directions at breakneck speed.

Although I did like this piece, think you might as well. ;

politics.salon.com/2011/10/10/the_great_8_billionaires_who_will_pay_more/

SALON actually sent out emails and calls to every billionaire in the US, asking if they wanted to pay more taxes. 8 of them responded with 'yes'...and then gave some serious stipulations like 'but only if the government doesn't spend it on garbage like they have been. Or administrative overhead.'

You'd dig it.

Spanky, no thoughts on Koch-Gate?

Nothing? Nothing at all? No "two cents"?

You disappoint, "counselor"...

Schwarzenegger, a Republican, left the steaming pile of crap for Jerry Brown. Thank goodness for Brown's immense experience or it would be even worse in Cali right now. With the economic collapse it was forcast that states and municipalities would go under. Go back to pissing in Havasu instead of mucking up FR.

Jeez -tek, seems like just weeks ago you were a ardent libbie.

Billionaires? Forget about it, the politicians are coming for all of our money.

Oh wait, did I say "our" money? No, to them it's their money.

I usually wait until I get home to rock the libbie sites - Salon, TPM, KOS and Firedog. Most of them be hatin' on the pres. lately. So where's the fun in that?

Moonbeam's "immense" experience? Oh my goodness. That is the line of the day.

Ardent?

I still consider myself Blue Dog.

But seriously. Out of 400, they had 8 say 'yes' and even began calling out St. Warren.

And it's not like they were against the overall concept, acknowledging they had the money...

it's they didn't appreciate how government spent it's funds. When you make yourself rich by fiscal discipline, and vision, I suppose I could sympathize with not wanting to give more money than you must to UI, Foreign Aid, Military Adventurism, etc.

And, TruePat, Arnie was a RINO. He's married to a Shreiver (Sp?) and had 0 real conservative policies of any stripe. He was flat-out progressive.

Don't bother explaining Swartzanegger.

Unless you lived the nightmare here in Cali, you won't begin to understand.

But like TP said, we are all good now, we got us a Moonbeam. What could go wrong?

I just read an article that the muni-bonds are about to start failing. If you got any - sell now.

I stay out of bonds. Too little return, and I'm too young to worry about the slow-and-steady route.

I Angel when I have the money.

You don't post as OldFatGuy at FDL, do you?

The reason states and municipalities are hurting has to do with the economic meltdown and loss of property taxes (from people losing their homes) and then income taxes (from people losing their jobs). It is not because of unions and pensions or benefits. Go back to The Blaze or where ever you get such misinformation and stop peddling your snake oil here.

Cool TruePatriot and I agree - blame Dodd and Frank.

Yeah, Truepatriot, at least they got Freddie and Fannie to stop hemorrhaging money.

Wait, what's that - it's worse now then ever? Why TruePat - that sure ain't gonna help out our fine municipalities.

What is Frank doing to fix? They are his babies after all - he said they were all good back in 2007.

So TruePat - where can we get us some snake oil? rickser is spot on, Brown is in the toilet and desperate. Yeah, and pensions and state payroll has absolutelynothing to do with it, right TrueP?

Right. Cause those lifeguards are worth every penny of that $150k. The head librarian at $250k guaranteed pension for life? Why not, totally sustainable, right TrueP?

Obama's Tax and Spend policy has failed so far and finally the Senate voted his next request down. Obama its gut check time for you... Quit hiding and do something other than your failed policies...

The CBO says that Obama's 'Jobs Bill' would increase Deficits by $417 Billion over the next 2 years, and virtually all of the 'jobs created or saved' would be only for union workers. This is just more of the same thing as 'Stimulus 1' which was supposed to 'keep unemployment under 8%' but was a huge flop. Here is the link;

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/124xx/doc12470/s1549.pdf See Table 1

The Dems postponed the vote for many reasons, but most of all they changed the bill because some wanted to end subsidies for all industries not just Big Oil. Also, the new funding from a surtax on net income above and beyond the first million (including capital gains) will help reduce the deficit. There have already been discretionary spending cuts, and the only other cuts would be defense (if only we could end the wars immediately and cut back on Homeland Security), or laying off teachers, first responders, etc. -- in other words more job loss.

The poor excuse for anything are the uncompromising Do Nothing Teapublicans. From the WSJ:

"CBO anticipates that enacting [the bill] could have a noticeable impact on economic growth and employment in the next few years," the CBO said in the report.

The votes will be on record. Why would anyone reelect a representative who votes against "economic growth and employment.?"

TruePatriot-445959

So you agree that the Senate Dems didn't "support this bill" i.e. the one the big "O" has been flying around promoting.

BTW - The funding by taxing millionaires makes up 449 billion and they need 447 billion. Some reduction but that's only if they apply it to that purpose. In any event since this taxes W2 income every baseball player, basketball player etc. etc. are facing this tax. Buffett didn't want it on W2 income but on people like himself that made money other than W2 income.

You of course have to have a real job to know what W2 income is or you could look it up.

" Why would anyone reelect a representative who votes against "economic growth and employment.?"

Trust me, True- if it meant Obama going down in flames- plenty of 'em. Hell, you can read the posts of some of them right here, every damned day.

Yeah Drive By and TruePatriot, why indeed?

I know let's ask Manchin, Nelson, Tester and casey.

See they can plainly see Obama spiraling downward. Hell McCaskill won't even be in the same CITY as Obama.

But tell us DBO - are there many representatives that post here?

You are funny.

It's no wonder conservatives don't recognize what's going on. It's called compromise. It's the way government is supposed to work. We all know conservatives don't recognize or understand the term.

Good for us. Just like you guys compromised on Obamacare and Dodd-Frank?

When you guys count it's 10 for you and one for me.

Good for us

Exactly my point, REB. You are only interested in yourself.

You forgot McCaskill and Landrieu, Spanky. They're both "no".

fielden

Perhaps if you said 5 for me and 5 for you it would be different.

Also I notice you didn't respond to the Obamacare/Dood-Frank compromises. Please note they weren't rhetorical comments. I would have expected an answer.

You sound like the Big O said in 2009 "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won."

In 2010 he changed his tune after he got destroyed in the midterms. Then he said "We Need to Come Together'"

Think about it - NOW you want compromise. Stick it.

Sorry but Manchin, Casey, McCaskill and Landrieu all voted yes !!!

Sorry but Manchin, Casey, McCaskill and Landrieu all voted yes !!!

HOLLA!

None of them want to explain why they voted against the 99%!!!

Dennis,

How you doing today, hope all is well. Yes Manchin, Casey, McCaskill and Landrieu all voted yes for cloture but they stated they would vote no if it came to a vote on the bill, so along with Nelson and Libermann the bill would have failed even if it passed cloture.

This was not a good "jobs bill" no matter how you slice it. You know my position is that the federal government should not be giving tax money to the states, cities, school districts, for teachers, police or firefighters, that is the responsibility of the local governments, which have the power to raise taxes for essential services.

Hi Sarge,

It wasn’t Liebermann it was Tester.

Also it was to show that Republicans would not even allow the bill to get to the floor for a debate. If it was allowed a debate then there could have been amendments and if the Dems wouldn’t allow them the voters could then decide who is blocking progress.

With tonight’s vote it appears that Republicans don’t even want to talk about it. My 2¢

I thought Reid changed the rules so now the Minority(Republicans) cant offer amendments, something like that

Rob, Again DA WINNING.

Officials said they will work with the Senate “to sequence out which components and when” to move them after the bill is defeated Tuesday night.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/186737-white-house-braces-for-defeat-of-obama-jobs-package

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What does this tell you?

df: What does this tell you?

It tells us that the Democrats will once gain be Drama Queens as they stomp their little feet and hold their breath when America once again tells Obama to take a long walk off a short pier.

That TruePatriot and Drive By will be even more grumpy tomorrow than today.

That Obama is in the dying throes of his presidency, and it will continue downward, in an ever increasing spiral.

That Reid ran out of tricks. but then again, he already went nuclear to protect this putrid POS of a bill.

And finally, after his budget offering, and now this, Obama really ought to stay on the golf course.

That Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers don't care about America.

That maybe my boy fielden will clue in that several dems senators, who are up for re-election no like-y this bill.

So how about it fielden - why don't Casey, Manchin, Nelson and the rest care about American?

They are dems for god's sake. They have to care.

Don't they?

@Spanky-".............no like-y...". Sometimes you just crack me up. LOL

Officials said they will work with the Senate “to sequence out which components and when” to move them after the bill is defeated Tuesday night.

The White House has hammered Republicans for refusing to pass the jobs bill and hopes to portray the GOP as intransigent. But its case could be complicated by Democratic holdouts.

The White House officials emphasized Tuesday that the bill will have the “vast majority of Democrats” backing it, and that moving forward, the White House will work with individual senators like Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to enlist support for the aspects of the bill they can support.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/186737-white-house-braces-for-defeat-of-obama-jobs-package

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This isn't a real piece of legislation, it's "statement" that was never intended to pass, but to "frame" the argument that will form the basis of the President's reelection campaign.

Both sides couldn't care less about the millions of people who have been suffering for the past years. It's all about posturing, perception and positioning...

I have a position I'd like to see them all assume...

lol, df.

Sorting wheat from chaff...as usual.

What's this - the politicians are only posturing? They don't really care about me and my problems?

Get out!

Damn you DF - I was promised Hope. I was promised Change.

Why must you insist on bursting so many bubbles around here?

MB-

Grab your Bass, I feel another song coming on...

I have paid rather close attention to the polls and while there have been a couple that broke about 50/50 for Obama's latest bill being a "good jobs bill" the majority have fewer than 33% of the responders believing it will work. Voting this bill down is not going to hurt many congressmen.

Right wrong or indifferent if a bill is not passed Congress takes a lot of the heat off Obama.

Do you really play the bass MB?

You are one warped human being! You are ONLY person has mentioned the skin color of this President. You know you REALLY should be more tolerant and you REALLY should be on some sort of medication!

GOP,

Why do all your posts mention that BHO is black? Do you not think we all know that now? Why do you continue to infer his being black has anything to do with awful policy?

Or do you feel his awful policy should be passed because he is black?

Just curious, as you always bring it up

ABO 2012

The part about still having billions to give in subsidies to outrageously profitable oil companies, for starters!

They needed 60 votes for cloture so they were short 9 votes.

ok....

Fair enough, Darrel:

Here's a small tidbit,...the word nada is spelled nada

not notta.

Glad I could help.