These Mexican Drug Cartels keep popping up in the strangest of places....

Are you saying you don't believe the report?

If not, please say why not.

Your reponse is interesting probably not just to me, because yours is a relentless standard doubting/negative GOP response to positive news,

whether it is positive news for this Administration or positive news for this country.

I DON'T !

Would that be an anal-retentive No, then?

Or reality just too uncomfortable,

or plain inconvenient

for Mr/Ms Say-it-isn't-So?

I believe the story.

I believe that NBC, and only NBC, has the inside dope on Romney advisors being consulted on Obamacare.

I believe that the"system worked perfectly" in foiling the Christmas Day bomber- because the system, of course, relies on Dutch tourists foiling such plots.

I believe in the Great Pumpkin, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, and Solyndra's viability as a going concern.

All kidding aside- I believe that every single person I. This administration thinks that the American people are dumber than dirt- and a y wildly concocted story involving Mexican drug cartels, Iranians, and terrorist plots will be swallowed whole with no questions raised.

They are completely, utterly wrong.

Totally tripendicular dude.

Don't you DARE go after the "Great Pumpkin", no joe.

There are boundaries, you know.

Wow Backhouse you seem to be preoccupied with " ANAL " a lot on here ....And for the record i dont trust any GOP member . In any way shape or form !

Backhouse

"Your reponse is interesting probably not just to me, because yours is a relentless standard doubting/negative GOP response to positive news,whether it is positive news for this Administration or positive news for this country"

GOP/TP nuts got nothing to offer this nation and they realized so hence any garbage will do.

All kidding aside- I believe that every single person I. This administration thinks that the American people are dumber than dirt- and a y wildly concocted story involving Mexican drug cartels, Iranians, and terrorist plots will be swallowed whole with no questions raised.

If you like that story, did you ever hear the one about the Iraqi government buying "yellow cake" uranium in Niger?

Secret s.i.i.s.

Who do you trust?

Uh, noid?

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-07/us/iraq.uranium_1_yellowcake-uranium-cameco?_s=PM:US

Now, how the heck did that get there?!? Geez, the things you find when you're not looking. . .

Uh, noid?

articles.cnn.com/2008-07-07/us/iraq.uranium_1_yellowcake-uranium-cameco?_s=PM:US

Now, how the heck did that get there?!? Geez, the things you find when you're not looking. . .

Wow...that's a great question...how DID it get there?

...and it deserves a great answer...

Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334

Now, the Bush Administration wouldn't lie to us and tell us that all that uranium had been there before 1991 if it wasn't true, would they?

Your point, noid?

You intimated that there was no yellowcake in Iraq. I provided a source, (there are plenty of others), that proved it WAS there.

As to "yellowcake from Niger", I recall that the British intelligence report, which they continue to maintain, said that there was an ATTEMP, not that a transaction had occurred.

Big difference there.

Oh, and here's a source for the above

http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_16_words_on_iraq_uranium.html

96retskciR,

Roger WilCo.

You intimated that there was no yellowcake in Iraq. I provided a source, (there are plenty of others), that proved it WAS there.

Really? Please, tell me where I even suggested such a thing? Here's what I said...

If you like that story, did you ever hear the one about the Iraqi government buying "yellow cake" uranium in Niger?

Uh, nope...I never suggested anything of the kind.

As to "yellowcake from Niger", I recall that the British intelligence report, which they continue to maintain, said that there was an ATTEMP, not that a transaction had occurred.

Yes, I'm familiar with the intelligence report of which you speak. Kudos to you for supplying a source. However, they later determined that the intelligence reports were based upon forged documents.

The president's statement in the State of the Union was incorrect because it was based on forged documents from the African nation of Niger, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday.

"The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake" uranium "from Niger," Fleischer told reporters. "So given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement."

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/09/iraq/main562312.shtml

Even the source that you cited said it was faulty intelligence...

Both the Butler report and the Senate Intelligence Committee report make clear that Bush's 16 words weren't based on the fake documents. The British didn't even see them until after issuing the reports -- based on other sources -- that Bush quoted in his 16 words. But discovery of the Italian fraud did trigger a belated reassessment of the Iraq/Niger story by the CIA.

Once the CIA was certain that the Italian documents were forgeries, it said in an internal memorandum that "we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad." But that wasn't until June 17, 2003 -- nearly five months after Bush's 16 words.

The last word on the forged documents that were the basis of the intelligence that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger is here...

Italy's spymaster identified an Italian occasional spy named Rocco Martino on Thursday as the disseminator of forged documents that described efforts by Iraq to buy uranium ore from Niger for a nuclear weapons program, three lawmakers said Thursday.

The spymaster, Gen. Nicolò Pollari, director of the Italian military intelligence agency known as Sismi, disclosed that Mr. Martino was the source of the forged documents in closed-door testimony to a parliamentary committee that oversees secret services, the lawmakers said.

www.nytimes.com/2005/11/04/international/europe/04italy.html

Now, you were saying?

I was saying that, unlike this cockamamie story, the yellowcake from Niger story was not a bald faced lie.

You'll note that I never said that you "said" there was no yellowcake in Iraq- you INTIMATED it.

Sometimes when you try to be to clever by half- you're not.

This is one instance.

The other? Electing Obama- who, in cahoots with Holder, is the only person brazen enough to try to foist a story this convoluted on a no longer gullible public.

[Your point, noid?]

Please, Noid...allow me to interject...

NoJo...

I believe Noid's point is that you're either a liar or you're ignorant of the facts as presented to you...

...I say BOTH!

I was saying that, unlike this cockamamie story, the yellowcake from Niger story was not a bald faced lie.

But, you see, I've clearly demonstrated that IT WAS a bald-faced lie. The intelligence that says Iraq was attempting to buy uranium from Niger was based on forged documents.

Did you not read ANYTHING either you or I posted?

Um, no. See, the Bush administration discovered intelligence that the documents were forged AFTER the State of the Union speech where they were mentioned. The Brits, by the way, do NOT accept, as fact, that the documents were forged. They stand by original statement.

Are try being stubborn, or did Bush cave too quickly? I have no idea. Neither do you.

In any event, a bald faced lie cannot be told when one is holding what one believes is proof of what one was saying- ipso facto, Bush did NOT lie- as the factcheck link I provided also concludes.

Now, saying you had never heard of a program when there are emails going back a year that prove that yup HAD heard of it, were involved in it, knew the details of it. . .that's a bald faced lie.

My best guess is Holder is trying, desperately, to distract from that. Seems false testimony to congress is covered by the laws against perjury.

I wonder if we'll hear that "everybody lies about giving guns to drug cartels"?

So, it wasn't a lie because the Bushies didn't know it was a lie? That's the defense that you're claiming?

Wow.

Going back to one of your original statements...

This administration thinks that the American people are dumber than dirt...

If that is a true statement, based on your logic (or lack thereof) during this discussion, perhaps there is a reason.

Mixed Bag "The Mexican Zetas drug cartel would involve itself in a plot assassinate the Saudi ambassador?"

Probably not, unless they want some drones targeting them.

Welcome to "no joe"'s world...where it's not a lie if you don't know it's not a lie!

The Brits, by the way, do NOT accept, as fact, that the documents were forged. They stand by original statement.

Surely, then, you've not heard of the Butler Review...

image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2004/07/14/butler.pdf

This report, released July 14, 2004, concluded that the intelligence used by British Intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq was not reliable.

Oh, you know those Democrats, Anna Molly----soft on terrorism! Note also the President being personally briefed on the operation.

AND PLEASE TELL US AGAIN SPANKY how they are all laughing at America's weakness and believe we are a joke...

...you better quit snorting that stuff!!!!!

But, but, but the GOP POTUS nominees, senators and congress said President Obama's foreign policy has failed. I think they lied. What a surprise!

Hey Not Stupid - our government actively armed Mexican Drug cartels. Mexican Drug Cartels are now involved in plotting the assassination of the Saudi, as noted here.

So Not as Stupid - you support our government in it's aiding and abetting the Mexican Drug Cartels?

Do you think it is a good thing to arm your enemies? How many American and Mexican lives have been lost to the Mexican Cartels?

Sorry Libbies, you really need to get out more. Take a look at what the left is saying on some other left sites.

Pretty clear agreement - Obama has failed. Foreign policy jut one more area of failure.

Now, AM.

Huntsman (until recently) has been First Read's favorite Republican.

Try to reflect the more measured tone that's typical of this venue.

I'm deeply disappointed, counselor.

Do you think it is a good thing to arm your enemies? How many American and Mexican lives have been lost to the Mexican Cartels?

No. And neither is laundering arms -- e.g., destined for insurgents who want to overthrow a dictator with whom you have tired -- through your enemy -- like ... oh, say ... Iran.

Some people even guess that this little scandal was associated with another little favor done for a certain Republican President earlier in the same decade.

But, unfortunately, owing to a technicality and a Presidential pardon, none of those traitors ever went to jail. And isn't it a fortunate coincidence that the certain Republican President just couldn't seem to remember?

We didn't just start losing lives to the Mexican drug cartels when President Obama became President, Spanky. Explain to me, exactly, what President Bush ever did to solve that problem ....

.... besides presiding over the beginning of the Gun Runner program, I mean.

But, but, but the GOP POTUS nominees, senators and congress said President Obama's foreign policy has failed.

So Obama's foreign policy is to wait until some guy walks up to a DEA informant and ask for help to assassinate a diplomat?

Sounds about right,

I think they lied. What a surprise!

What would be a surprise is if a lib actually had a clue to what foreign policy is.

Bag Boy:

I'm deeply disappointed, counselor.

I'll just bet you are. ;-)

Bush was bad, horrible in fact on that score. But he's long gone. One hopes things to get better in time, not worse. This is worse.

But running guns to arm rebels to over throw dictators is a tad different that giving them to Cartels so they can "walk" to Mexico.

For what possible good? Why would they do that? Proximity alone says Americans will die from those guns.

And they have.

AM - Conspiracy? Felony murder rule? I'm not criminal lawyer, but some of these people are hosed. Jail time. Bad.

Waiting for the Republican SCREECH about how Iranian rights were somehow 'compromised' or is infringed upon a better term? No doubt if Obama is FOR it or Made it happen,...THEY are AGIN' it.

Predictable as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West.

[AND PLEASE TELL US AGAIN SPANKY how they are all laughing at America's weakness and believe we are a joke...]

No answer from "counselor"...just another redirect comment...but he might, however, want to explain why he has chosen to take pot shots at First Readers wives...

...I'm guessing frustration...or just ignorance...

So, "counselor"...which is it...?

Spanky, Spanky, Spanky....

There you go with your tired and true deflection again (that was NOT a typo.)

our government actively armed Mexican Drug cartels

is completely (and typically) off topic - more "offense as defense" I presume.

However, if you want a response from me to this - uh-oh; you already see it coming, don't you...

"So? Bush One gave/sold Saddam WMD's; Reagan armed our enemies on a couple different fronts; the US armed the Afghanis - you know - the ones we are fighting NOW; the ones killing US soldiers. So your poutrage concerning this non-troversy simply does NOT hold water, has no basis in fact, and paints YOU as a juvenile spouting infantile rhetoric in an attempt to "stir up" something."

Of course, I believe you are aware of exactly what you are doing and are just playing games.

Very funny - you are SO witty Spanky - Ha Ha Ha. But wait! You may be good for a chuckle, but your position is harmful to my country, so it really is not so funny...

But running guns to arm rebels to over throw dictators is a tad different that giving them to Cartels so they can "walk" to Mexico.

Indeed. One was treason, and the other isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

Well said, Anna Molly!!!

What gets me is the GOP is busy investigating the running of guns by the DEA, trying to attach a scandal but ignores the underlying reason it was tried--the drug cartels are buying guns in large quantities at gun shows, in border states where the gun laws are lax and hauling them across the borders. Shouldn't Darryl Issa and the GOP be investigating how, where and why it is so easy for drug cartels to buy guns illegally? It's like the GOP is busy looking at one duck and a whole flock is flying above them.

[It's like the GOP is busy looking at one duck and a whole flock is flying above them.]

Darryl Issa, along with the likes of Rep. Peter King, are the 21st. century's Joesph McCarthy's

Oh no, Jody...

Under the Republican double standards, it is perfectly okay for Republican Texas cowboys (think "Perry") to sell armament, but if anyone associated with the Democrat administration does, they want to prosecute.

I, for one, am awfully tired of that double standard...

anyone else???

Spot on Jody!

I don't know about Iowa, but gun shows in Texas garner a lot of traffic, legal and illegal.

Things must be going extremely badly in Wisconsin- having flagellated the recently deceased equine, AM is now rooting around in a 30 year old grave for another to abuse.

Mickey, they are like McCarthy. I should add that while they're looking at that one duck, that flock is dropping poop-pellets all over them.

Not as Stupid... I, too, am tired of the double standard. It's very frustrating.

rickster, guess you didn't stay up late that night and obviously didn't read the above. President Obama credited the Navy SEALS, the CIA, DoD for Osama bin Laden, he took no personal credit; and he just credited the agencies for this foiled attempt.

TELEPROMPTER!

Rev Ayres!!

Kenya!!!

Look- Over THERE!!!!

Chilled. So far, Iowa's gun laws are not as lax as other states but give Gov Branstad time, he's only been in office 10 months. Branstad and his GOP pals have followed ALEC's plans for union busting, Voter ID; fortunately the democrats still control the State Senate. They did manage to make concealed weapons a reality this year. Now, when you go into stores you see signs posted in the windows "No Guns Allowed".

bob: What would be a surprise is if a lib actually had a clue to what foreign policy is.

Bob, why don't you try asking Herman Cain about foreign policy?

I doubt that Slick Rick will tout this achievement considering how he likes to boast!

This is a job creator I guess!

http://www.newser.com/story/107433/texas-top-seller-of-us-guns-traced-to-mexico.html

Yeah; but at least they're number 1. Exports are good, right?

So True Clara.....I forgot about exports...free trade and all.

Nice diversionary tactic holder, but it won't work your azz is going down for fast and furious. Or are you going to try and sell the movie rights for this BS. You can always write a book while you're in jail.

So allowing a Saudi ambassador to be assassinated in the US is just a way to cut spending?

Not now pat. This makes it all better.

Besides the stuttering cluster of a miserable failure still has 13 months to make it even worse.

So be patient, pat. He will not disappoint. He sure hasn't so far.

I wonder how Reid is doing?

One of the analysts/commentators threw Texas in the mix of this 'sting operation' without fully explaining.

How was Texas involved, if at all?

So we use our resources to foil an assassination attempt on a Saudi possibly funded by Iran with a hint of Mexican drug cartel involvement. And the Republicans say that the United States is not respected by the rest of the world? I'll bet the Saudis are happy about this as well as everyone who is against Iran (I guess that is pretty much everybody else).

Steeler Fan, makes you wonder about the GOP logic. No doubt the Saudis are happy and Iran gets another black mark against it.

Jody, you racist, you said Black!

Oh wait, nevermind.

(just patterning some knee jerk reactionist stuff. Seeing how it works. LOL).

Ah yes, more insightful commentary here at FR.