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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Ron Paul, a favorite of libertarian-leaning Republicans and young activists, has won another straw poll.
Paul received 37 percent of the vote in the Values Voter Summit straw poll Saturday at the annual gathering of conservative religious voters in Washington.
Pizza magnate Herman Cain, who gave a rousing speech at the confab yesterday, came in second with 23 percent. Former Sen. Rick Santorum, who - along with his family - spent additional hours milling around the conference grounds to speak one-on-one with voters, won 16 percent.
Tied at fourth place were Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Michele Bachmann, who each received eight percent of the vote.
Gov. Mitt Romney, the presumed national frontrunner in the race whose Mormon faith had been conspicuously raised by two of the event's evangelical speakers, came in fifth at four percent of the vote.
Straw pollers also asked attendees at the conference who they favor as their eventual nominee's vice presidential pick. The top four in that category were: Bachmann, Cain, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and Santorum.
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If Rep. Paul dislikes the role of government so much, why does he want to be president? Or a representative of it, even? Not trying to pick on him. But it does seem a little odd.
Because he is the real deal, a modern day founding father. He does not want it gone, he wants what its supposed to be. I ask, whats the only oath a President takes? You gotta look at some of his vids that can be found on youtube going back for 30 years. They have always been on there. Many people begged him to try one last time to change our country, so he is. No big funding from crooks either, they don't want him leading, instead just small donations from small people like us has gotten him this far. I'm so glad your looking at him.
All republicans and in the pockets of Fed's and Big banks... except Ron Paul
I'm glad Herman Cain did well. He's surging as Perry sinks while Romney has reached his plateau. Newt still isn't out of it if Perry sinks further.
Vote in 2012!
If Paul would be elected, would he to an inventory of Fort Knox to prove if the gold reserve is still there?
He has tried to do it as a congressman, but he didn't have enough support. He would love to audit Fort Knox if he could get the authority to.
It is amazing and encouraging to see the protests against “Wall Street”, actually against “big money” and their continued ability to use government and to abuse the people. We consistently see how “big money” owns and controls politicians who depend on them for financial support and for their aggressive overt and convert efforts to con the people and to manipulate public opinion, while the majority is just insulting taken for granted. The manipulation of the Christian block, the Swift-boat propaganda and the Tea Party movement are prime examples, along with the efforts of Norquist’s “anti-tax pledge”, Cheney’s, Rove’s and other groups who collect the substantial contributions and use them to coerce and intimidate politicians, even bragging they can “make or break any of them”, done to assure complete unity behind “big money’s” interests. All of their efforts are always extremely well financed, well organized and well directed, with that being in sharp contrast to the spontaneous and honest emotional protests we are currently seeing across the whole country.
The “Wall Street” protests are greatly handicapped with limited capital and organization with it speaking loudly for the people’s complete frustration and growing anger and of their totally recognizing the arrogant and stubborn abuse that they have been subjected to. The abuse isn’t new as we have seen repeated cycles of the exploitation by the few with a cooperative government always facilitating it (savings and loan, banks, dot.coms, investment, financial, mortgage and other crises) always the same, with the few gaining substantially and the majority paying the price. Deceptive rhetoric, like “deregulation”, “open markets”, lax enforcement are constantly used as excuses for “stimulating the economy” but what really happens is driven purely by greed, self-indulgence and dishonesty and just costs the country and the majority greatly as a co-responsible government just looks on. We saw Bush-Cheney concentrate totally on serving Special Interests and the powerful, influential and extremely wealthy few, who strongly supported them and who obviously literally directed them, while they gave the majority only apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge to rationalize their actions and to con and deceive the people (with the total middle-class always loosing the most). We saw the Republican Party totally supporting all of that and since making every effort to fault and block any attempts to address the problems, always continually serving the few and totally focusing on their political ambitions while neglecting and just taking the majority for granted. Bush-Cheney clearly proved beyond any doubt that the “trickle down” theory is a complete fraud that only makes the wealthy wealthier and solicits political support and since, the Republicans / Tea Party consistently follow that same mentality and are trying to con the people into accepting a return to “more of the same”.
The protests are a creditable start but there really are considerable resources stacked against them in money, organization, power and political “know how”. “Big money” knows how to play the game and has the power and finances to put behind their efforts along with many captive politicians and even nearly the whole Republican party. They will “pull out all of the stops” to get what they want, to intimidate, coerce, deceive and manipulate, to just wear down or con anyone perceived as being against their interests - in order to maintain their control and domination. They have been emboldened by past successes and are confidently “cocky” (as we have seen with Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Ryan, Bachmann, Perry, Palin,,,). The protests alone won’t defeat them, they really have to be defeated in the voting booth (and even then care has to be taken as we saw with the “chads” in Florida and with the counting in Ohio). If we want to regain the Grand Ole Party that has a conscience for the people, then the voters have to totally and firmly reject what they have become, to break the hold “big money” has on them - otherwise we are very likely to just see “more of the same”, Bush-Cheney style.
Excellent post.
The Wall Street mob should be protesting in front of the White House and Congress. That's where the laws are written so that the politicians can be bought and paid for by all groups including unions.
To believe the Dems aren't in the pockets of "Big Money" is very naive.
All politicians are in their pockets. This is a country of the corporation, for the corporation, by the corporation. And remember, corporations are people.
More than a failure.
All the money he promised to be spent restoring America was spent building other countries that resent Americans.
Nobama is the worst pres we ever had.
Steve:
Certainly is refreshing to hear from "Hoover" supporters.
Your comment is taken as stated.
If you want change in 2012, Ron Paul it the Right Call !
Funny how Ron Paul has the least financial backing. (he does not accept lobbyists bribes)
Yet he is the most talked about candidate .
All the rest of the candidates are just -run of the mill- standard candidates. Diff. faces, same bullsh!t !!
Nothing will be changed or accomplished with any of them.
Ron Paul!!!!!2012 !!!!
R.P. wants the office so he can implement change.
Get our troops out of needless wars.
Have the troops secure our borders.
Shut down the way the fed reserve prints money cuasing the value of the dollar to go down.
Leave the decision of legalizing pot up to the individual states.
I wouldn't say that paul is the "most talked about" candidate. what is your evidence? One would think the poll frontrunners would be, just by weight of statistics, like perry and romney. Even bachmann is more "talked about" (if you include "making fun of" as "talked about"...)
And we had to beg him to run as our President. He's not doing it for power, he's doing it because we need him.
People are afraid of Ron Paul because he makes too much sense.
During the last election, MSN had a questionaire that you could fill out to find out which candidate shared your postion on the war, immigration, the economy, etc. I filled out that questionaire and 3 candidates shared my position and views. But the one who shared my position on nearly every subject was Ron Paul. In actuality, his Republican constituents are wary of him because he's too "middle of the road" for them. If Ron Paul ran for President tomorrow, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but an Independent which is what I feel everyone should be. Obviously the political parties are just interested in who's going to have the upper hand and aren't concerned about their job serving the American people. What has either party ever done for the American people? Nothing, period. Vote for the person, not the party. Study the issues and then select your candidate. We also need stricter monitoring of those voting at the polls. It's been said that Obama won't lose this next election because African Americans will vote for him because he shares their race, and the Hispanics and illegals will vote for him because they have everything to gain by his leniency regarding immigration. So if you're truly interested in someone who can put this country back on track, put your party affiliation aside and vote for a person who is competent and who can handle the job. Ron Paul, he's got my vote!
Ron Paul and Herman Cain are the most honest among the bunch. Paul has maintained his position for over 35 years and appeals to Libertarians and a number of Independents in increasing numbers. Cain is a self-made man with intelligence and a catchy 9-9-9 tax proposition that appeals to many and can be remembered by anyone.
Anyone looking for an "ideal" candidate in this economic and political environment will likely be sadly disappointed. Sadly disappointed.
Single issue "social" candidates won't have much appeal in 2012. If times were better it might be different but right now our country is fighting to survive.
Mr. Obama and the Progressive/Liberal wing of the Democrat party have taken us down a road most Americans now realize is the road to ruin.
Ron Paul is the easily the most honest politician in the race. Herman Cain is for government secrecy. He opposes a full audit of the Fed, an institution that he was once an employee of. I also don't find anything catchy about 9-9-9. That seems like the worst economic proposal of all the candidates. A 9-9 plan that lowered exisiting tax rates would be better than what we have now, but it would be a huge mistake to institute a new national sales tax on top of the existing income tax. How long until the politicians changed it to 20-20-20? I don't want to see any new taxing authority regardless of how low the rate.
RonPaul fanatics can only win if the contest is who can get the most fanatics into one little known meeting.
He has about 100,000 fanatics who make sure that a thousand or so are present at every straw poll.
Number of national polls he's lead: 0
Number of state polls he's lead: 0
I figured Herman Cain was getting strong enough after winning a few straw polls in a row that he would win this, but the RonPaulistines showed up in enough numbers to push him into 2nd.
Unlike Paul, Cain has led in a national poll. Paul never will.
The proof that this result is just the usual RP fans packing the building is that they are not usually the religious right types. 9/11 Conspiracy whackjobs, anti-Fed people, pro-marijuana and prostititution, anti-war, yes. But not religious right. So it's odd to see them winning a values voters straw poll, except when you consider that they go around packing these straw poll votes with enough of the rabid fanboys.
No, they won't be going to church tomorrow, most of them. Rolling a doobie, probably.
"he's led in"
"he's led in"
Ron Paul fans are packing the bldg. because there are more RP fans than any others.
Reality time for you.
research those poles on your own, dont belive the lies on TV. CNN showed you a poll from something else on tv. Look it up on the CNN website and you can see they lied to you on TV and then you can ask them why they deceived you. He won with over 70% of over 200,000 votes. If you look at the slowed down youtube video of whats on tv, you can see they put up a different poll of only 80 or so votes. (they name that poll in the corner with total votes) Don't let them trick you from electing a man who is the closest thing we have ever had to THOMAS JEFFERSON.
Chesty It isn't about his viability as a candidate. It's about his ideas.
He has led in a the major national polls that placed him against Obomba in a general presidential election. If he doesn't have broad support, as you claim, why does he raise more money from more donors than Cain? Cain's support will likely fall just as the other candidates that the media told you that you may choose from have. Notice how all of the sudden Cain got all of the media attention only after Perry imploded. He is just the next puppet in line. The thing that is different now is that the media can no longer tell us who can win an election. We no longer have to accept War-monger/corporatist(D) or War-monger/corporatist(R).
Ron Paul has a great chance of winning because he is the only one proposing things that people want, FREEDOM and PEACE!!
Most Americans are sick and tired the USA being the planetary police.
And they realize it is costing us more than this country can afford.
Military weapons manufactures couldn't care less if our country is going broke.
Ron Paul wants us out of foreign war campaigns. I agree.
Yes,Yes,Yes, RON PAUL for President of the United States 2012
Ron Paul is right about one thing, END THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX end the wars, illegal occupations,
no more invasions of other sovereign Nations, but I think that's about it.
Whether a nation is "sovereign" is irrelevant. Good or bad is all that matters. Unless they're bad, invasion is out of the question, and even then, you'd have to have cause.
Germany and Italy and Japan were sovereign. So what.
It's not whether other nations are "good" or "bad", "good" and "bad" are determined subjectively. The only guiding factor in determining whether or not we need to go to war with another nation should be whether or not they have have used aggressive force against the United States. The military needs to be used for defense only.
Paul fans should move to Somalia where Paul's policy beliefs are in full effect...
Paul is definately not for mob rule, and against violence. Very bad post.
A "Value Voter" Staw Poll? ---- Their "Values" realy suck
Every one of their values hurt America & our Families.. They block job creation & our country's recovery, while disenfranchising over 50,000 voters in Tennessee alone!
Notice the Results? -- Ron Paul "The Whiner" who's too ar right for most & too far left of conservatives... Henry Cain, who's the "Poster Child of Goldman Sachs" a bailout company that helped break our economy who says, "If you aren't rich, Too Bad"
Every one of their values are good for America and families. If we could get marriage rates back up to 80% or higher, most of America's problems would vanish overnight.
Single moms account for much of our poverty. If we got people to go the marriage route for kids, which is the only system that works, the US poverty rate would be 7% or lower, instead of the 15% it is.
Strange bedfellows these conservatives chose in their costly search for Ronald Reagan, especially when their Ronald Reagan is Barack Obama
Paul & Cain who I described above, along with Perry & his "Perry Rock" followers they have 2 Mormons who hate each other... Bachmann is another fruit cake like Cain who said "Sharia Law is taking over our cities"
Strange bedfellows indeed
Chesty,,, Conservatives have nothing on record to back that up, their record is attacking the rights & liberties of American families for quality education, health & the basic opportunities for them to achieve
Not even your "Strength In Marriage" agenda has any teeth or record of proving marriage rates increased,,, If you check, you'll find they've decreased
"their Ronald Reagan is Barack Obama" I'm sure this makes sense in some kind of counter-intuitive far lefty kinda way.
BTW, RR's tax cuts led to 1 million 114 thousand new jobs created in his 3rd September, just that month alone, how did that Obama plan work out for ya last month? You betcha.
And unemployment in that recession had gotten up to 10.8%, whereas I believe 9.1? was the high this time around.
BHO started out with a similar result in his first election as RR, 53 vs 54%, but somehow that 59% re-election number that Regs got seems a bridge to far.
Pray, or whatever it is leftwingers do, that Obama can get to 49%.
Jim "attacking the rights & liberties of Americans for education, health"
The left is responsible for our bad education system. They run it, and they refuse to allow any measures to be taken against non-performing teachers. If you have to pay and keep the good, bad and indifferent workers, regardless of performance, your organization/system will suck, and ours does.
Another leftwing failure.
this country is doomed....zero candidates that stack up for running this country...all is left is Obama...god help us all with him doing four more years.
If you think the leaseholder of the World Trade Center was the genius and controller behind the 9/11 attacks, and when he said "pull it" this code for the secret bomb boys to blow up Building 7, then Ron Paul is your guy.
99 in 100 conspiracy freaks agree, Ron Paul is the only sane choice for America.
And, um, if you don't support Ron Paul, you were probably "in on it" on 9/11 too.
Since when are the Christian or any religious values 'The Values'? Value voters? Who told these people their values are greater or the more valued values? Like the rest of us don't have values. How arrogant and condescending.
Very Christian like, not humble and completely based on belief and not the truth except believed truth (which isn't truth). Anything based on belief is like little children believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. If you invest money based on truth you are a fool. Most people invest after studying and they usually don't just study one book. We'd have never put a man on the moon, have TVs and cars if we just believed and never studied.
Where does Paul stand on the Supreme Court decision that Corporations are people too?
I provide a quote from former President Hoover:
"It is a paradox that every dictator has climbed to power on the ladder of free speech. Immediately on attaining power each dictator has suppressed all free speech except his own."
And while not accepting the economic quandry Hoovers policies eventually brought to us all....I can't help but equate some of what he said to some of what we see has happened and continues to happen.
There appears to be no free speech due the "rabble" and "mobs" on our streets sayeth Cantor and his ilk. At the same time the only speech that appears to be allowed to influence elections is that "speech" that is indeed not free, but PAID for by contributers....and the cost of it is increasing....and whoever brings forth the bulk of the $$$ has an upper hand.
Where does Paul and his values stand on this? Where does he stand on the Supreme Court ruling equating Corporations with individuals?
What it all really comes down to is this. What sort of Supreme Court justices are brought forth for nomination by a President of the United States?
That is the ultimate "shake and bake" determining the future of this country.
The Republican nominating convention is going to be interesting if there is no plurallity going into it. None of these nut cases are going to compromise unless they get a VP nomination out of it, and you can only give one of those away.
Everyone, a tipping point is coming. That's a point in time where one vote makes a difference. That one vote could be yours. Watch for it.
I wonder how many conservatives are still contributing to Sarah Palin's family vacations? She's another "Values" conservative ---- The equivalent to a Bernie Madoff scam behind the mask of religion & flag waving
ChestyPuller,,, Pay attention please, yes Obama is the Ronald Reagan conservatives can't find among their own. Nearly all of Obama's policies are similar to Reagan's from immigration to the issues now of job creation & taxes,, many of these things are republican
"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that's crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?"
Chesty,, That is Ronald Reagan from June 6, 1985 speaking from his grave calling today's conservatives "CRAZY"
He may same similar things to Reagan but he is after all not white. Therein lies the problem
This is the same Ron Paul whose former campaign manager died uninsured and Ron's Church was suppose to pay off the medical bill of over a quarter million and we are still waiting. Ron's idea of health care, church fundraisers?
you want healthcare ? get a job loser
Yep, the same Ron Paul
Paul or Cain in 2012... or maybe one better Paul/Cain 2012.