Ron Paul wins Values Voter straw poll

By NBC's Carrie Dann

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Ron Paul, a favorite of libertarian-leaning Republicans and young activists, has won another straw poll.

Paul received 37 percent of the vote in the Values Voter Summit straw poll Saturday at the annual gathering of conservative religious voters in Washington.

Pizza magnate Herman Cain, who gave a rousing speech at the confab yesterday, came in second with 23 percent. Former Sen. Rick Santorum, who - along with his family - spent additional hours milling around the conference grounds to speak one-on-one with voters, won 16 percent.

Tied at fourth place were Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Michele Bachmann, who each received eight percent of the vote.

Gov. Mitt Romney, the presumed national frontrunner in the race whose Mormon faith had been conspicuously raised by two of the event's evangelical speakers, came in fifth at four percent of the vote.

Straw pollers also asked attendees at the conference who they favor as their eventual nominee's vice presidential pick. The top four in that category were: Bachmann, Cain, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and Santorum.

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Romney, Perry Statis-Quo Paul or Cain a real change. 

  • 3 votes
Reply#54 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:18 PM EDT

Romney for sure! After that evangelical guy attacked Mitt's religion...Mitt gets my vote! Romney in 2012 and every primary leading up to it!

    #54.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:36 PM EDT
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    The entire planet is in deep debt, and that is not a coincidence.

    My question is, to whom??? Who are the major creditors who ARE RAPING THE WORLD?

    I say let's payoff the little guys, the minor players, and China (no need to make new reasons to be enemies).., but, the rest of the thieving, manipulating, zionist bloodsuckers can take a hike.

      Reply#55 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:22 PM EDT

      I wonder how many of our species next "Albert Einstein's" have been aborted and tossed into a bio-hazard bin and then dumped into a landfill or an ocean? Women have every right to treat their body the way they want to but they shouldn't be able to kill the person living in their womb because it is an inconvenience. I'm sorry that Evolution/God made it so females on the planet Earth bear offspring. It doesn't give women the right to infringe upon the liberty of their unborn babies except in drastic circumstances such as rape or incest.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#56 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:24 PM EDT

      i wonder how many of our species next Adolph Hitlers have been aborted and tossed into a bio-hazard bin and then dumped into a landfill or an ocean?

      See, its easy to play the 'silly question' game.

      • 2 votes
      #56.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
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      The issues that bother democrats such as abortion. Ron Paul believes the issue should be decided by the states. So most states would still have it, and a few would not. He is the only one that`s never taken pork, and has been against the wars, especially since they were not declared by congress.

      He wants to close most of our bases in 160 countries. Turn the legalization of drugs to the voters of the states. These 2 issues alone could save massive amounts of $. In 08 he said if we did the bases closures, and not policing the world we could have no income tax, and close the IRS. That`s the kind of $ we are talking. We could fund the country the way we used to TARIFFS in the early 1900`s. There was no income tax before 1917. Tariffs would help our manufacturing immensely. He also got an audit of the federal reserve through congress. He wants to audit Fort Knox to see if our gold is still there?? Last time that was done was 1974. The guy is no bull@!$%# artist like the rest of these candidates other than Herman Cain.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#57 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:29 PM EDT

      Dave- blah blah blah--He can not and wil not win. Get it. Should i say it again. He can not and will not win. Earth to Dave. Heeello

      • 2 votes
      #57.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:33 PM EDT

      Tactical step away from the Obamade that stuff will kill you. Liberal media is afraid of Ron Paul and Herman Cain why do you ask because both would run circles around Obama in a one on one Debate. So they keep spewwing this they can't win the nomination notion.

      • 2 votes
      #57.2 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:09 PM EDT

      what does believing that paul has no chance of winning the REPUBLICAN nomination have to do with being (or not) an obama supporter?

      The funny thing is that I hear from the anti-liberals that they are afraid of palin..of perry..of romney..of paul..all for completely different reasons. LOL.

      • 1 vote
      #57.3 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:12 PM EDT

      Tactical 45.....I flagged you for no value.

        #57.4 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:37 PM EDT

        Steve--Who cares?

          #57.5 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 8:28 PM EDT
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          Now its Ron Paul's turn to get slammed by the media and libs. I'm not voting for him, but that's how the libs roll. Instead of effectively presenting an argument why one shouldn't vote for him, they try to destroy the character of the person, and it will be all in an attempt to keep the liar-in-chief in office.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#58 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:33 PM EDT

          Fights--That is silly. They all do that. Where in the hell have YOU been.

            #58.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:34 PM EDT

            lol, you must not be paying attention if you haven't noticed EVERY politician and party doing exactly that.

              #58.2 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:13 PM EDT
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              If the top choice does not make it, we can have a Cain / Cain ticket since he's in the running for both slots. Does the VP Cain get to run the show like the VP Cheney did in the Bush administration or does the POTUS Cain have to exert himself?

                Reply#60 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:38 PM EDT

                voting--- Good one. lol

                  #60.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:40 PM EDT

                  well, you could start by observing that cain has never held elected office and therefore knows nothing of politics, for example. that he's never had anything to do with the military and national defense.

                  those are pretty good arguments against cain and for obama. Not saying that obama is better or worse overall, but cain is hardly bulletproof.

                  • 1 vote
                  #60.3 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:14 PM EDT

                  vernontguy:

                  I agree. I am struggling with the 999 plan. I try to imagine it and keep thinking....$9-large.....9-toppings...9-minutes guaranteed delivery. ???

                  I'm use to slogans from companies marketing their products. Nothing wrong with that. Slogans don't seem to be what will answer making the right moves in foriegn policy...or economics....or the overall well-being of this country.

                  • 2 votes
                  #60.4 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
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                  This should have been Perry and Bachmann's wheelhouse. They are seriously floundering.

                  Ron Paul did well, which makes sense. He's a libertarian, except when it comes to matters of religion where liberty gets thrown out the window. Gotta love that irrational compartmentalization they're so good at.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#61 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:41 PM EDT

                  Tactical he can win if enough people get their heads out of their a@#. From the tea party to the wall street protestors he should be their guy. The rest other than MAYBE Cain, and we as a country are done. It`s really that simple. Start saving money from some parts of the gov`t to fix other parts. Stop all the corruption from the Federal Reserve, and lobbyists, to the Gunrunners over at ATF, and the Justice Dept. The country is lucky if it has a few more years to turn things around, BUT it already might be to late!

                  Maybe that`s why we don`t see any urgency from anyone in the gov`t.??

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#62 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:44 PM EDT

                  Good post dave yes The liberal media talks endlessly about how he can not win the nomination, why because most of the other candidates could be beaten by Obama and they want to make sure the Koolaid keeps flowing for 4 more years. So of course the liberal media tells us who the front runners are and who to give media time to. Their agenda is to put someone beatable up against Obama!

                    #62.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:01 PM EDT

                    good theory except that, for example, romney probably is more electable in a general election than paul, whose extreme views will scare off many voters (right or wrong). Care to try for another theory?

                    • 1 vote
                    #62.2 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:18 PM EDT
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                    Ron Paul has many good ideas but I won't vote for him. One problem for me involves the arguments over what are state's rights. I think it is an issue that needs to be reworked to make more sense. Two things stand out: One is that small states like Alaska, with barely the population of a small city get two Senators and so a state with one three hundreds of the population gets two votes the same as California with 30 or 40 times the population. Two, Ron Paul is big on states rights including civil liberty issues that must remain the same for the entire country. Paul would let states control abortion rights as well as other personal choice issues. He would allow privately owned places like restaurants and bars keep people out on a racial basis. We have come a long way from that.

                    In addition, Paul would bring everything good or bad, mostly the latter in my mind, that comes with the Republicans at large. In short, it is hypocritical to say he represents more freedom for everyone. Not so.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#63 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT

                    Id feel better about Marco Rubio if he'd actually done anything.

                      Reply#64 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:54 PM EDT

                      The constitution dictates how many senators a state gets. Letting the people of the states decide is the constitutional way. I doubt the laws would be radically different. As far as people being discriminated at bars and restaurants I doubt they would be in business long. His PLUSSES FAR OUTWEIGH HIS MINUSES. Other than Cain NOBODY HAS A PLAN TO GET THIS COUNTRY GOING AGAIN. Like I said it might be to late already. Maybe a good crash, and burn this time will wake some people up. Starting from scratch might not be a bad idea. Keep an eye on that debt crisis in europe cuz it`s coming rolling back to the USA.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#65 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:55 PM EDT

                      Way to go Dr. Paul. You have my complete support. Hopefully you will be the next president and take our country back to it's Constitutional roots.

                      Ron Paul 2012

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#66 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:57 PM EDT

                      If there is any hope for someone to represent me ,it is Ron Paul. He asks the right questions. All others are more of the same 1% b.s. We are in trouble and we need help-he is the only one that I see on the horizon and he got my vote already for what he said. Ron Paul 2012.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#67 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:57 PM EDT

                      sigh

                        Reply#68 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:01 PM EDT

                        You do realize that the Jim Crow "laws" were government mandated policy right.  The conditions that came about under Jim Crow were not the result of freedom or liberty, but of illegitimate use of government force.  The government forced all private individuals to descriminate against black people.  States that did not have government mandated racism did not have the social problems of the south.  There is anything wrong with a Civil Rights Act that prohibits the public sector from descriminating based on race.  The problem with the Civil Rights Act is that it denies private people the right to discriminate.  We don't need the government to tell businesses that they can not discriminate.  The market would take care of it.  Just imagine if a restaurant opened today with a "No Coloreds" policy.  They wouldn't have any customers, there would be massive protests, and the stupid business owner would lose a ton of money.

                        Also, if you think the government has the right to tell private individuals that they may not discriminate, would you support a government program of compulsory bi-sexualtiy?  Bi-sexuals are the only people who don't discriminate based on sex.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#69 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:04 PM EDT

                        and yet "the market" didn't put those "no coloreds" businesses out of business in the 1960s. How did that happen - how did the market fail then? OF COURSE if you opened up a business TODAY it would go out of business...thanks to advances we've made as a society, helped along by things like the civil rights act.

                        • 1 vote
                        #69.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

                        Government mandates eliminated the market's ability to put such businesses out of business. The laws were applied monolithically to all businesses, and therefore reduced every citizen's freedom of choice. The market had zero to do with the laws. The market was distorted by the laws. In markets that didn't have this distortion, no such businesses ever survived. Imagine if the government gave permission to one, and only one person, to operate a bus line without following Jim Crow. All black and non-bigoted customers would only patronize that bus line. The new bus line would have a huge advantage over competitors, and the dicriminating ones would either have to compete or go out of business. In this scenario they would have to go out of business because only one person has the right not to discriminate.

                        I do agree that the portion of the Civil Rights Act that prohibited the government from discriminating is a good thing. I just don't understand when people use Jim Crow laws as a justification for the need of more government. The Jim Crow laws were from GOVERNMENT.

                        • 2 votes
                        #69.2 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:57 PM EDT
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                        I suspect it doesn't matter who is elected, nothing will ever get through the Senate with the fillabuster rules as they are......we have almost never had 60 Senators from the same party agree with each other......Might as well just shut down Washington D.C. unless the fillabuster rules aren't changed. It would save a lot of money.

                          Reply#70 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:15 PM EDT

                          I agree with you Common Sense. What ever happened to a simple majority?

                            #70.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:18 PM EDT
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                            But steve jobs proved that obama's free market is the best ever. That steve went from garage to #1 greater than exxon well within a lifetime. But mr grover & the gop insist that 2007 with no bank regulation was better. That wild boom & bust is better than what steve jobs did. NOT.

                              Reply#71 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:18 PM EDT

                              If it weren't such a serious matter, it would be almost funny...listening to everyone complaining that this candidate did this...or that candidate did that ( as if the things that they complain about is something new....they aren't).
                              Then, when anyone points out that there is one candidate out of the whole batch ( both sides)....who has never done any of these things, who has always been honest, forthright and a defender of the Constitution....someone who has stood up for
                              smaller, less intrusive government, sound currency and personal freedoms.......everyone goes wild ... calling the man everything except...a viable candidate. Why is that?
                              It is obvious to me ( as it should be to everyone else) that what we have been doing....ISN"T WORKING.....and maybe...just maybe, it's time to take a new approach to the way this nation is beng run. Maybe, just maybe it's time to stop electing "business as usual" "mainstream" candidates....who continue to run our nation into the ground while ignoring the will of the people and the Constitution.
                              If we were to elect Dr. Ron Paul, could he really be any worse than what we've had over the last 40+ years (both sides)?
                              If we were to elect him and he doesn't make changes that positively affect our nation....can we not vote him out in another 4 years?
                              Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over...and expecting to get a different result. Isn't it time that we stopped the insanity?
                              While I am not asking anyone to vote for any particular candidate, I will ask that you spend more time actually looking into all of the candidates' backgrounds ( voting records, campaign finances...who they've made deals with etc.). learn everything you can about the candidates (not the MSM talking heads versions...do the research yourselves), so that on election day....you can make an informed decision about who you want to represent you in government....
                              Remember, what they do is a direct reflection on us.....if they do foolish things....it makes us look like we elected foolish people....which means we look like fools for electing them in the first place.
                              I don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of the insanity and will be casting my vote for Ron Paul. You can say that I am wasting my vote....well , I guess that's OK....it is after all...MY....vote......it doesn't belong to any party or candidate....it belongs to me ...to cast as my conscience dictates.
                              I hope eveyone makes informed decisions concerning our future as a
                              nation.

                              The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived
                              and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
                              John F. Kennedy

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#72 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:19 PM EDT

                              Well said Joe.

                                #72.1 - Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:11 PM EDT
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                                :What is the purpose of these straw polls anyways? The winner of one then becomes the focus of attacks from the other canidates. Kinda like the flavor of the week.

                                  Reply#73 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

                                  Wonder what would happen, if once, just once everyone decided to try and be reasonable and work together? Guess it wouldn't be as much fun as sniping and carping at each other.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#74 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:27 PM EDT

                                  Values? This is the same guy who inspired and let stand the "let him die" shout from the audience of tea partiers to a hypothetical but realistic insurance question ? Some values. Really? Your mom, your kid, your dad or brother and "let him die!" is what works for America? I don't happen to think the MidWest is the moral center of our country - I think they've crossed to amoral. But that's just my opinion.

                                    Reply#75 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:28 PM EDT

                                    It's obvious from your comment, that you didn't actually watch the debate....but rather picked up the 15 second soundbites supplied by the media in order form your opinion of what Dr. Paul supposedly said. Now, considering that Dr. Paul is poison as far as the left leaning media is concerned,it isn't suprising to hear this kind of "spin" placed on Dr. Paul's remarks. Which in effect said...It is not the Federal Governments job to insure the people with healthcare and that there are many other ways to accomplish the task through local government, churches and other local organizations that specialize in helping the poor. A part of the the problem in health care is too much government intervention....the same problem that is killing the rest of our economy....over-regulation and government intervention. As for someone in the audience saying it...since when is it the responsibilty of the candidates (who are debating) to police the the thoughts and opinions of the audience? I thought everyone was entitled to free speech...or is that just for speech that "you" approve of?

                                    For you to even consider that any doctor would say what you claim Dr. Paul said.....makes me wonder if you may be a few sandwiches short of a picnic....maybe all you brought were the ants?

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #75.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 9:00 PM EDT

                                    Remember back 12-15 years ago when the average worker paid 10 dollars a week for full family health insurance? Ron Paul knows how to bring the value of the dollar back so we can afford our own health insurance again. Not be forced to pay 150 dollars a week for crappy government run healthcare. Really, which would you prefer?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #75.2 - Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
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                                    So obvious after every straw poll or debate...Ron Paul's crazies flood the boards and online polls with their garbage. You can set your clock by it...I can just hear his campaign office..."Okay everybody....after the results are announced, just keyboard as fast as you can so people might think he's popular! Voting banks ready?? Everybody just keep voting over and over again so it will look like somebody thinks he's sane!" Just forget the crazies...Romney's the best candidate hands down. Romney 2012!

                                      Reply#76 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:32 PM EDT

                                      Every candidates supporters do that after the results are announced.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #76.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
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                                      Ron Paul gets liberty; hence he is and has been a Libertarian for over 35 years. He's pretty much a "pure"Libertarian" which is why he drives so many on the far left and the far right crazy. His stance on war actually makes sense. He's not against war. He's against starting a war. I'm pretty sure if he were in office he'd know how to finish one with a minimum of muss and fuss and then go back to personal liberty and very little government.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#77 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:33 PM EDT

                                      Straw polls mean absolutely NOTHING!!!...when its all said and done Mitt WILL BE the candidate to beat..ROMNEY2012...

                                        Reply#78 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:36 PM EDT

                                        Please look at Ron a bit closer. Please, the country needs you to. Just youtube the dirt on Ron Paul and see what you can find.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #78.1 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT
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                                        I like Ron paul.

                                        I hope he exposes the Federal reserve and Big bankers.

                                        check out this video if you want to know the real store behind the FEDs

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#79 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:37 PM EDT
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