So maybe one of you big brained libbies can explain this to my slow witted self?

Earlier today were debated Obama's calling out Cantor for holding up a vote in the House. So here McConnell is calling for a vote - you know the opposite of holding it up.

And this is somehow a bad thing?

Anybody?

You libbies tired of getting slapped around yet? Your leaders are failing you badly, and really making your whole cause look terrible.

Funny as hell.

Spanky-

So maybe one of you big brained libbies can explain this to my slow witted self?

Earlier today were debated Obama's calling out Cantor for holding up a vote in the House. So here McConnell is calling for a vote - you know the opposite of holding it up.

And this is somehow a bad thing?

It sure is; Spanky.

McChinless is only concerned about one J-O-B. He said his only concern was to "make President Obama a one term President". Clearly, McChinless doesn't listen to what the people want i.e. infrastructure, jobs, jobs, jobs, more jobs and no tax cuts for the rich.

Now, Spanky, don't you see? They're taking away Obama's talking point! They have no right to take away his talking point! It's HIS talking point! They can't have it!

He needs to keep this alive so he can convince his donors that there is some chance the Dollars for Donors program will be enacted in 2013. It won't be- and he has, really, no chance at getting reelected- but, without a honeypot, he ain't going to be gettin many dollars from donors, hence, the need for the Dollars to Donors program.

Anybody sane realizes that Obama is going on a long trip in the Intercontinenatl railroad - maybe sooner than he thinks

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/04/cbs_news_reporter_wh_justice_department_screamed_at_me_over_fast_and_furious.html

These First Read journalists- and I only use the term because it is what they call themselves; Obama's Paid Propagandists is really more on the mark- are going to give up a Pulitzer to somebody from CBS, for heaven's sake.

CBS!

You could not make this stuff up.

Apparently, the attorney Spanky chooses to ignore the part of the article that says Harry Reid plans to bring the bill for a vote later this month and deflects to Eric Cantor. President Obama called Eric Cantor out because he said it was DOA. Eric checked with his corporate handlers and Grover and they told him what to say.

Hmmm, where have I read about bills being DOA before? Oh right, that's Reid always states when the gop sends him COMMON SENSE, RESPONSIBLE BILLS!!!

Jody - I listen to Obama. He said just yesterday, and everyday since his Sept. 8th speech he wants the bill passed NOW.

McConnell is trying to do just that, and that's bad?

Jody please tell me why it should wait. Please show me where Obama says it can wait.

Your cause is lost Jody. The opposition is trying to give you the precise thing you claim to want - a vote on the bill, yet now you no longer want it.

Done, finished, over.

I know it hurts, but this is just ridiculous.

I don't suppose you care to, or can respond Jody?

Yeah, I thought not.

You know, Jody, the President didn't say, "Pass this bill LATER!" He didn't say "Pass this bill when you're done doing other stuff." He didn't say, "Pass this bill eventually."

He said, "Pass this bill NOW!"

Harry's not listening. McConnell is, and I think that was mighty fine of Mitch to comply with the President's request.

I wonder, though, if there's a scramble now among the President's speech writers. They're going to have to change the stump speech a bit and quick in light today's event.

Spanky - Seems to me Reid is holding up this bill to vote on it alone; otherwise the bill will be tacked on the the China currency manipulation legislation. I don't consider that done, finished or over, just responsible.

The GOP House needs to get hold of the bill and tack on a balanced budget amendment to it. That will keep Dirty Harry Reid from ever bringing it to the floor. Face Dirty Harry - ole Mitch out-maneuvered you on this one. Just 399 more days till the GOP takes the Senate and throws this corrupt regime to the trash bin of history. Jimmy Carter is still doing cartwheels every time people say that 1 Term 0bama is the worst POTUS ever instead of ole Jimmy.

NM Ray. Remember that this was almost the exact same bill that was voted down by the democrat controlled congress in 2009. I believe 2009 was when the democrats held a filibuster proof senate. How on this earth do you think it is going to pass now with even less democrats? Part of the problem is that most of Americans do not want another wasteful stimulus bill. We wasted our money on the first one. Remember the one that obama and the dems said if it passed, unemployment would not go above 8%. I remember it hitting over 10% and is still over 9%.

If ever there was a time for the Senate to pass a bill with the threat of a filibuster and make the Republicans actually DO THE FILIBUSTER, this would be it. Make them stand up and fill the airwaves with speeches, etc. and explain why they are not passing the bill. It is unfair for the American people to be hamstrung by the archaic rules of the Senate.

Spanky-

So maybe one of you big brained libbies can explain this to my slow witted self?

Because YOUR "leaders" think this is a GD game they are playing. McConnell's quick vote trick is like a quick huddle... catches everyone off guard. And when that happens, the "no's" usually take it.

Got it?

Between Cantor, Boehner, and McConnell, I don't know which is the bigger idiot. Everything... I mean EVERYTHING... is about taking Obama down. It's like it's one big game to them. They obviously don't care what happens to this country or they would at least TRY to do the right thing and pass a balanced jobs bill.

There are 10% on your side though.

Mark-384387,

I know how the GOP/TP (specifically Eric Cantor)love to perpetuate yet another lie, however, the President never promised or said the unemployment would not go above 8% with the passage of the 2009 American Recovery & Reinvestment Plan . That was a projected number taken from the Jan. 9, 2009, report called "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan" from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president's top economic adviser. The administration never characterized it that way and included plenty of disclaimers saying the predictions had "significant margins of error" and a higher degree of uncertainty due to a recession that is "unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity." it was an economic projection with warnings of a high margin for error, not a take-it-to-the-bank pledge of an upper limit on unemployment.

Cynthia,

The administration's point person, Christina Romer, did make the "8%" comment, but she spoke for the administration. As far as disclaimers go, they did state: "significant margins of error and high degree of uncertainty" --- which in translation means: "We have no idea nor any clue if this will work, but give us the enormous pile of money and we'll see what happens." We fell for that once and now they want to try it again.

Based on the Admin's track record, very few are on board this time.

Cynthia

If what you say is true,WHY DID EVERY NEWS OUTLET say "if the Obama Stimulus is passed the Unemployment would stay under 8%"??? Were the Huffington Post and MoveOn.org and MSNBC and ABC and CBS and CNN and NBC and PBS and NPR MISTAKEN???

Obama's economic advisors told Obama that tale. So it wasn't perfect advice.! He gave it a good try though. The GOP out to destroy him from the get-go didn't do anything to help. I doubt if the stimulus was used in good ways. It was more likely used to make the plan look bad. Seen this before..Reruns.

Like I stated, President Obama never said that. And for your information, unemployment was already at 8.1% and climbing before it was passed. Just giving you the facts. If you don't like the facts then keep your blinders on or do your own research.

slodon, I'll type this slowly and maybe you will be able to figure it out.The report from his economic advisors came out before he was even sworn in. Again, he never said it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/26/758135/-Debunking-the-Obama-said-unemployment-wouldnt-go-over-8-LIE

Amen, from a Catholic.

Cynthia

I will type this VERY SLOWLY so you wont miss a word. I NEVER SAID OBAMA made the Statement. I said the MANY NEWS Outlets said that the OBAMA Stimulus would keep the Rate down below 8%. Now since Obama won the Election and it is one of HIS Stated Policies it makes HIS ADMINISTRATION'S STATEMENTS HIS BY PROXY. UNDERSTAND????

When The Senate Majority Leader (D) Harry Reid blocks a vote on your "jobs" bill, you can't really blame the Republicans anymore.

Reading Beverly's answer above makes it clear that the liberals have absolutely nothing to stand on.

They want a vote, but not if McConnell calls for it, nOOOOOO, then it must be lampooned.

Well I got news for you liberals, your guy is a huge disaster. He couldn't manage a city council, as is showing in his work here and around the world.

I thought Bush was a disappointment, but Obama, well he will go down in history as one of the worst politicians in modern times. How could a guy with both houses of Congress, a tanked economy (no where but up to go) and trillions at his disposal be 3 years into his term and have a worse economy, more poor people, and spend all his time complaining and blaming everyone but himself and his gang of idiots.

Don't vote yet! Obama isn't done touring the country!! Obama has been calling for the stupid vote NOW, so what if it is a quick snap, he's been demanding it for weeks!!! Are the Dems wanting to add things to it? Do the Repubs think it won't pass? Who CARES!! Vote on the crap and move on to the next vacation!

Spanky........ You are still dissembling. Try something else, PLEASE!

@Paul F,

I really don't see how everyone solely blames the president for the economy and jobs. I would think corporations, which actually do the hiring, would play a bigger role on job creation. And now, BoA is going to impose yet another fee of $5 to their check card customers, and you think they are going to hire more people with that money? Go ahead, blame the president for that one too.

The biggest problem in this country is corporate greed, plain and simple. The next biggest problem is our government not doing the job they were elected to do. We all heard the rhetoric about both parties and it doesn't help matters. The only bail out I see working is the bailout of the American people. Divvy up that $447 billion to the taxpayers and there's your bailout.

Maybe we can ask Kyle what he thinks or McCain or Graham. They would have us enter another war to support the economy. Or maybe we could ask Obama and the Ceo of the Solar company on how they made the brilliant decision to waste 1/2 billion on that company. Wait he and Obama taking th 5th. Better yet ask Perry.. Mr write it on a rock idoit. How do people give him money. Or call Paul to see if we should defend ourselves.. or better yet. Let's have a Big Game lottery for President. Get your ticket for a dime!

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#174 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:05 PM EDT

Did any of you catch this statement in the article?

"We need to move to this right away. There is no question about that. But to tack this onto the China currency manipulation legislation is nothing more than a political stunt. We all know that," he said."

Now who is playing who.

So, the conservatives apparently forgot or never intended to read the disclaimers. Now that they make their point, with out reading or understanding the disclaimers, or simple ignoring them. We can see where they get their common sense.

So Bev. - who is the party of "no" now?

Spanky-

So Bev. - who is the party of "no" now?

That's self-explanatory; Spanky.

The Tea baggers, Dixiecrats, and the GOP Minority Senator, Leader Mitch McChinless.

"O" stands for obstruction and in our case Oooh No.

Geez, Spanky, I thought you were smarter than "who is the party of 'no' now". Read the article, it says Reid plans to bring it to a vote later this month. President Obama has asked for a vote by the end of the month.

Your enabler has been begging for a vote for the last month and the libs are holding it up, hilarious!

You're wrong about that majority. Majority of union parasites perhaps.

Well Jody, McConnell says vote on it now.

Allow me to simplify this for you Jody.

Obama: I want my jobs bill passed now.

McConnell: OK.

Reid: NO.

So Jody, you were saying?

See Jody I listened to his speech on 9/8. Did he say later? No, he said NOW. 17 times in fact.

Jody, why is it now ok to delay? It's what you all want, why wait?

Doom Jody, your side just got to the end.

Spectacular really.

So you think maybe Boehner is going to follow suit? He might no be inclined to wait, eh Jody.

Golly I love it when you try to put up a fight. So straight forward, yet you struggle so mightily.

Next I guess we can discuss the tax ramifications of the bill, eh Jody?

Why are the only two choices to vote on it now or delay it? What about Congress sitting down and getting to work on it with some of the serious workers providing some creative solutions, left or right? When you give false choices, you get egg on your face....much like your statement that landlords are always right. They aren't, they can be defeated, lease or no.

No NewDay - this is Obama's work product. It is what he wants.

No false choice there. That's just Obama's truth. Oh wait in his speech on 9/8 he said "So I put this bill together, it's weak and need a lot of work?"

No he said pass it now - you know it, I know it, and so does Reid. Own NewDay, he's you guy. Too bad the bill is a turgid POS.

No good enough even for you eh?

huh.

So you have "defeated" a lot of landlord NewDay? That's rich. I represent both sides. Always better to be represent the landlord. But do tell us all about your experiences in this area, as I am sure they are vast.

No, actually, my cherub did, but she was trained by the best.

ME.

Jody, Iowa: President Obama has asked for a vote by the end of the month.

So why is Obama all exercised about the House not voting on it today? During his taxpayer funded campaign stop in Dallas, Obama specifically blamed the GOP House for not voting on his bill now! I guess we can expect Obama to compliment Mitch McConnell on his attempt to get the Senate to vote on it today, while Harry Reid can expect an earful of hate from the President.

Still waiting for the FY2012 budget too Harry. And the FY2011 budget, and the FY2010 budget . . . . , no hurry, . . . , well maybe there is.

JAS1

You forgot about the 2009 Budget.

From what I read the dems. are in meeting to stick it to the millionaire's, a change to the existing bill. Good Ol' Boy, McConnell got word of it and wanted a immediate vote, with out the change. Sounds like typical politics to me.

What DIXIECRATS??? I thought they were gone back in the 60's. When did they reemerge?? UNDER OBAMA I SUPPOSE.

I just received an e-mail today from Jim Messina (Obama's Campaign Manager)

Friend --

President Obama is in Dallas today urging Americans who support the American Jobs Act to demand that Congress pass it already.

Though it's been nearly a month since he laid out this plan, House Republicans haven't acted to pass it. And House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is out there actually bragging that they won't even put the jobs package up for a vote -- ever.

It's not clear which part of the bill they now object to: building roads, hiring teachers, getting veterans back to work. They're willing to block the American Jobs Act -- and they think you won't do anything about it.

But here's something you can do: Find Republican members of Congress on Twitter, call them out, and demand they pass this bill.

Be the first to use our new tool and tweet for jobs.

Here's why we built this new tool, and why it's important.

If you've written letters or sent email to Congress before, you know it can be a frustrating experience -- sometimes it takes them weeks to respond, and sometimes they don't respond at all.

But many members of Congress personally receive the messages sent to them on Twitter, so you have a better chance of getting your message directly to them.

And even if they don't respond, your message will be public -- front and center for everyone who follows you or your representative. That means their staff, other constituents, and the media will see the mounting pressure.

So tweet for jobs now:

If you don't use Twitter, you can also contact someone else who needs to hear from you about this bill: The editor of your local paper. We have a tool that lets you send a letter to the editor, and even gives you facts and tips to help you write the most effective note you can. Write one now:

The American Jobs Act is not controversial legislation.

Ideas like rebuilding our roads and bridges, repairing our public schools, and keeping teachers in our classrooms are all ideas the Republicans have said they would support or have even proposed themselves.

But they're so dead set on preventing anything from getting done on President Obama's watch that they will reverse, deny, or ignore what they've said and done in the past -- even if it costs more American jobs.

And remember: They're willing to cost you and any other American your job, or your chance at a new job, because they think that doing nothing won't cost them theirs. Tweet at Republican members of Congress now and tell them you want a vote on the jobs bill right away:

Or write a letter to the editor:

I know we've been asking a lot of you lately, and all of us here would have loved to give you a break this week after all the emails we've been sending. But the reality is that we're building a grassroots organization from the ground up even as we're supporting the President in battles that need to be won right now. And that means we've got to be willing to stay focused week after week from now through the election.

Thanks again to all of you who donated to the campaign before the end of the third quarter, and for everything else you do to have the President's back.

Thanks,

Messina

Jim Messina
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

Now you tell me who's spinning what?

The President has been running around the country on the taxpayers dime crying out for all to hear "Pass this bill now!"... yet he never even bothered to make sure he had the support of his own party in The Senate. A more experienced leader would have never made such a rookie mistake.

When the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) blocks a vote on your jobs bill, you simply can no longer blame The Republicans. It's really that simple.

Spin away, the facts speak for themselves.

Taxpayers do not pay for the President's campaign trips. If a trip has combined presidential duties with campaign appearances, then the cost will be allocated accordingly.

Republicans in Congress will make sure of that.

Thank god your comment had nothing to do with creating jobs, or the jobs bill. After all, none of this has anything to do with jobs, just the ability to keep Obama from trying something not 1 Conservabagger has attempted yet.

And, speaking of jobs, did you notice how the "mandate of 2010" was the turning point in the unemployment numbers? Unemployment was in a continuous decline until the "Newer and Better Job Creating Teabaggers" were put into office. Co-incidence? I think not!

But, I'm with you all the way on your comment. In fact I'll cheer along with you when more people are unemployed because it's more important to remove Obama than have a full and productive workforce - something Republican policy seems to have mastered (unemployment, that is!)

No rush - all those unemployed folks can just wait till Reid gets around to it, eh libbies?

What's that you hate it when your own argument gets hurled back in your faces?

Yeah, I suspect that's how Obama is feeling right now.

Man this Jobs Bill sure backfired on him and the dems.

Don't understand why Reid wants to work on the China currency legislation since the House won't pass it and the President says that legislation isn't what he wants so he would most likely veto it. Harry Reid won't bring up the Jobs bill until he can make deals with fellow democrats to get it passed ala Obamacare.

correction: their staffers said so.

Jody, so why did Harry Reid shoot it down. Because both Reid and Durbin have both said they do not have enough votes among the Democrats to pass this bill. Ten Democratic Senators have already said they won't vote for the Democratic jobs bill. There are 15 other Democrats who haven't been willing to go on the record which way they will vote. Obama knows this won't pass and is hoping to use it as a campaign weapon. McConnell was very smart because he knows that Reid doesn't have the votes to pass this bill. So by calling Reid's bluff, he has set up a vote which would be a bipartisan rejection. Therefore Obama can't say that the GOP was the only thing which stood in the way of his jobs bill.

Jody, Iowa: What no debate?

There is nothing to debate Jody. The President has demanded that Congress vote on his bill, and that no changes to it will be tolerated by him. There's really nothing to debate, the President has drawn a line in the sand and said the bill is not negotable.

Why is Harry obstructing the vote on this bill? Why are the party of "NO"Democrats obstructing this bill? Vote on this bill!!

I'm certain President Obama will bring this up at one of his four fundraisers today. His anger towards Harry Reid will be clear to both his corporate donors, and the American people. Obama will insist that Harry Reid "Pass this bill!!"

Jody dear, this is President Awesome's bill.

What's to debate. It's exactly the way he wanted it, which has to be good enough for you, right?

Ouch.

Maybe this is what Reid and the Senate Democrats were saving the filibuster for.

The Democratic majority certainly had no appetitite for changing the cloture and filibuster rules when they had the chance at the beginning of the 112th Congress last January, did they?

In fact...they didn't even try.

The party of NO...lol

Jody, reid has not put this bill to a vote because HE DOES NOT HAVE THE DEMOCRAT SUPPORT IN THE SENATE!!! If he did, it would have been voted on by now. Also, remember that this is almost the exact same bill that the filibuster proof senate voted down in 2009. Reid will not put it to a vote because he does not have the support. This totally backfired on the dems.

This is the 1 Term 0bama campaign finance bill. How else is he going to get to $1 billion if he doesn't steal it from the US Taxpayer. You would have thought that he would have made arrangements with the Unions with the First Stimulus (the horror show) to save him a billion out of the $800 billion that was wasted.

Dear black_belt3,

About $380B out of the $800B Stimulus Bill was actually (FICA) taxcuts to individual taxpayers, including you. Would you include that in the amount you define as wasted? How about the $6B that Rick Perry received and used to balance his budget; not to mention all the other states that did the same? When you mouth GOP propaganda without checking the facts you risk having your opinion discounted by those of us who do.

It was a year and a half of debate. You are an idiot.

They had less than 24 hours between the release of the actual bill and the vote on it. Learn your facts before you post. Keeps you from looking like an idiot. Don't you remember the Pelosi speech of "We have to vote for it to see what is in it." Over a one thousand page bill and less than 24 hours from release till vote. There was no debate on the final bill!!

@ol dirty brett--it was a year and a half of extortion and bribery.

and used lies and bribes to get the votes of a few weak, spineless democrats.

Ray W.,I know the GOP loves to keep perpetuating that lie by taking it out of context but here is what Nancy Pelosi actually said:

"You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting.

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

Kinda changes the whole perspective now, doesn't it?

How many times to we have to go over the lies about this? "rammed through" , 2,000 pages, etc-is total bs! Facts..get some.

The Affordable Care Act you are so scared of is estimated to create 250,000-400,000 jobs annually over the next 10 years Not just in the medical exchanges but also in Health IT jobs which are already increasing.And they are already hiring and have been. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/02/healthreformjobs.html

The Affordable Health Care Act is actually about 200 pages not the 2700 pages that the misinformed tend to claim. It wasn't shoved down anyone's throat as many claim, either.It was debated for over 18 months and was eventually watered down by the GOP and Blue Dogs.(Yeah, those big Health Insurance and Pharma lobbiests sure came through, didn't they?) It also gets rid of that expensive and unpaid for Medicare Part D the House of Bush foisted on us. If you would really like to read about it , here is the timeline of implementation for individuals and employers. http://healthreform.kff.org/timeline.aspx

And here is the truth about those waivers:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/17/truth-about-waivers-protecting-coverage-millions-americans

And before you start a rant about it, congress, the president, and federal employees will all get their insurance from the exchanges beginning in 2014.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

Ray, Pelosi's quote has been bastardized enough already. Remember when Tom Delay held the vote till 11:00 p.m. on the MediCare part D Plan, after he bought the votes from fellow Congressman? That Bill had no debate on the final version, and is longer.

Hope Tom is doing well in prison, LOL.

Rant, rant, rant. But McConnell gave the President exactly what he was asking for. So if the GOP blocks the bill it is bad for Americans. But if the Republicans say go ahead and vote on it. The Republicans are also being bad for Americans. Why don't you just say you are having a knee jerk reaction and you don't know what you want. But you hate the Republicans no matter if they agree with the President.

Um, Obama wants this voted on.

McConnell has proposed it be voted on. Reid does not want it voted on.

Who is it standing in the way of a vote?

Look, Reid, and Durbin, Nelson, Nelson, etc., understand what is happening- Obama is a lame duck. He's been a lame duck since last year- the midterms proved it.

The lady president in thismposition was Johnson- he, too, had an unpopular war, student unrest- but he had an unemployment rate below 4%. He knew he could not get reelected- and bowed out.

Obama is not that self reflective.

The only person left who does not know he is going to lose is himself- and the dwindling number of cult members left in Hopey Changey world.

Maybe he'll get you cut rate tickets on the I terckntinental railroad, and you can all ride down to Rio together.

No jo, Ray Why is it that when republicans win America loses? You must be very proud to be on the side that wants to starve America and its people.

Just like republicans everywhere your main goal is to squash hope and change. It is all about protecting the rich from any sacrifice at all.

Your hero Reagan thought it was patriotic to pay taxes. Was it when they pledged to Norquist that republicans decided to not be patriots anymore?

1 Term 0bama is going to break all records in handing out Pardon's between Nov 7 2012 and Jan 19, 2013. Holder will be first in line followed closely by Geithner and Valerie Jarrett.

Americans First - It doesn't appear it's the Republicans this time that want to starve America and its people. It appears they want to bring that bill for a vote. But Harry said "Nope. Got other stuff to do." So the American people have to starve until Harry is ready.

It also appears the hold up is the "pay-fors." Seems the Democrats aren't looking to kindly on closing those loopholes for the evil rich.

Do you pay taxes, Americans First? Are you patriotic? Are you saying the 50% of low income, working people who don't pay any federal income tax are unpatriotic?

Candice, yes the bill is being fine tuned by the Senate Dems., with a higher tax rate on those, who have made more. That is exactly why McConnell pushed for a vote, before the changes to the bill.

What was inappropriate was the comment of bringing it up today "out of respect for the POTUS", wow what a bag of refuse.

When The Senate Majority Leader (D) Harry Reid blocks a vote on your "jobs" bill, you can't really blame the Republicans anymore.

They will remember it and vote this guy out - just like they voted against his agenda in 2010. Dirty Harry Reid is sitting on more than 12 jobs bills that have already passed the House. He is afraid to bring them up because they might actually pass the Senate since the liberals have 23 up for re-election in 2012.

Obama wont lose. If these so called bills are sitting there, they must not be very good because they would get voted on if they were. With the Dem Gov win in West Vir, the tides have changed and the Dems have taken control again.

royalstar...I'm with you. President Obama will not lose in 2012...and I am a volunteer with OFA doing what I can to help. I'm also new to this forum. You guys are tough. I'll try to keep up.

McConnel himself said it was brinksmanship. Get your head out of your ass, please for the good of humanity.

Of course it was. But Reid and Obama climbed out on a limb before they had the votes. McConnell just sawed it off behind them. You never ever call for a vote without knowing you have the votes to pass it. So your problem is that McConnell was smart and Reid and Obama were politically dumb.

Ol Dirty Brett

There is no reason to be rude. You just show your stupidity when you do. Obama never expected the GOP to agree to an immediate vote. As long as they didn't HE is in control." I want to help the American workers but they won't let me. Waahhh" But McConnell agreed; maybe being accommodating, but probably to just call Obama's bluff. But the reason really doesn't matter. Obama has been "calling for an immediate vote" all over the country. He can't deny it, it is in print, on video, time and time again. You Libbies are just upset because Obama painted himself into a corner. I am sure both sides are playing a game. But, Obama started the "game" with the American Jobs Act. If he is sincere in thinking that THIS is the answer to the US economy worries, he should be delighted that the Republicans are agreeing to his call to vote. I'm guessing that he is not happy, hence the response by Reid. As long as the Republicans denied an immediate vote, or did not say what their issues are with the Act, Obama looks like the voice of reason and the Democrats in Congress do not get dragged in. But now, Reid must also act. DO the Democrats think it is a good idea? We will see. I am not Republican, but this IS a game, and always has been between the two parties which is a good reason to get rid of the two party system. It's is like a tennis match and for now, I'm setting on the side lines enjoying the volleys.

I think they should vote also and then we know the names of the ones who vote against it and then their own constituents can do what is best. How about some occupy protest to bring light to the senators who stand for the rich and are against the American people?

When 75% want to raise taxes on the richest, and we all know that is the hold up on the jobs bill. The so called blue dogs are just as much for the rich as the republicans. They seem more concerned about their donors than the people they were elected to represent.

Americans First

I agree that the tax table is off balance. But penalizing the rich with taxes like they used to be is not the answer. I feel that there should be a flat tax rate for individuals, across the board. For instance, if you make $1.00 you pay $.10 in taxes. EVERYONE, no exceptions or exemptions for any reason. That way if you made $1,000,000. dollars, you pay $100,000. in taxes. If you make $10,000 you pay $1,000. In taxes. Why take away the incentive to have a better life when if you work harder, you keep less?

Also, I agree with getting rid of corporation loop holes. And I believe in taxing corporations more who send jobs overseas. But don't penalize those who are successful by just giving away THEIR money to those who do not work (not those who CANNOT work).

I do think that people get confused with INCOME AND WEALTH.

We have an INCOME TAX NOT A WEALTH TAX. See the difference???

Now I have a Net Worth of over 1 Million. I worked my butt off to get that much WEALTH. My INCOME of 83,000 is from TAX FREE Muni Bonds,Stock Dividends,My Retirement and Social Security.

Now I'm in the 15% or so tax range. I pay MORE TAXES,about 2300,on MY Social Security than I do on the rest of my income. Am I PAYING MY FAIR SHARE?? IF NOT,WHAT DID I DO WRONG????

http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlziWK2Iy8 Barney Frank confronts woman comparing Obama to Hitler

Sorry Sister.

Your link doesn't work. Get "The video you have requested is not available."

Jeff, you have a watch more than just MSNBC. The Republican House passed Cut, Cap, & Balance, the Ryan Plan, the 2012 Budget, along with 17 other pieces of legislation designed to create jobs which are now sitting in the Senate. What has the Democratic Senate done to create jobs? They won't even vote on the Democratic Jobs bill. There is one piece of legislation which would open domestic oil and gas exploration. This bill, according to industry analysts who testified before House committees, would create over 3 million new jobs over the next 3 years while greatly reducing US dependence on foreign oil. No action? Educate yourself. Also, of the 3 branches of government, Democrats control 2/3 of government. What have the Democrats given us this year except a repeat of a failed stimulus that their own party won't vote for.

How can you possibly take the stance you have based on this piece of news? Your inept leader thinks he knows poker and someone said "call", he's left with nothing of value in his hand and yet you are prepared to call him the greatest poker player on earth. You are a sad bunch indeed!

If you are playing poker, McConnell just called Reid and the President's hand. Without 51 votes for the bill, Reid and Obama are left with a losing hand. They are left with a rejected bill with the vote being bipartisan. The President can't say it was solely the Republican blocking the repeat of his failed stimulus which means the Democrats have egg on their faces.

Ray , that is a nice spin, as "industry analyst" can mean any PAC, or lobbying group, whose efforts are for the gain of the special interest. Nice try though on the generality you have no unbiased support for. Dream on, when you believe that lowering regulations will increase jobs or lower the cost of fuel. The truth is it will increase profit for the business with no exceptions, while increasing supply for the speculators to bid the price up.Oil is a commodity which price is governed much more by speculation than a stock or product. Nice try though. Trickle down economics does not work as shown by our present situation, where our tax system is so unfair, and our highest income tax rate is closest to where it was at the beginning of the Great depression, and that my friend is a fact which can be verified if you wish.

Here is a clue June. DOMA is US law. If you don't like it. Democrats control 2/3 of the government. They should repeal it. But your problem, as I see it, is that the Republicans are defending existing US federal law. Democrats want to enforce the laws they like and ignore the ones they don't like.

June, The DOMA is law and the Obama Administration is refusing to defend the law as required by the constitution. The House had no choice but to hire outside legal counsel to defend the law of the land. If the Department of Justice would do it's job, the house would not have to intervene.

Hi Sarge, Hope all is well –

Is the office of the President required to defend the laws of the land or to enforce them?

It is a big difference. I believe that the office is only required to enforce them and they are enforcing DOMA.

Dennis, All is well here, hope the same goes for you. I may be wrong but I believe there are a couple of law suits that have been filed, therefore it is the job of the DOJ to defend the law. I also believe Obama instructed AG Holder not to defend the DOMA if and when a law suit is filed, I believe it went something like "the AG does not have to defend a law that he feels is unconstitutional" or words to that effect.

Sarge,

You are correct. I do not believe that the constitution requires the office of the President to defend any law in court but it does require the office to enforce the law.

They can fully enforce a law and yet not defend it in the courts.

I guess that means in 2013 if Obama is no longer the President then the new President can order the DOJ to stop defending the Affordable Care and Accountability Act. Then the new President can order the DOJ to drop its lawsuits against Arizona and Alabama and all the other states that are being sued for supposedly overreaching federal law.

As you just argued there not required to defend the laws only to enforce them.

Ray, your supposed "2/3 majority of government " can repeal a law is a laugh, where did you go to school?

Democrates like Republicans are not that homogeneous , unless it concerns only a political stand, get my drift, the party of "NO".

Somehow, conservatives think that a consistent mass approval is truly right, and must be guided by the Great One, no not Ronald.

David,

You are correct, that is exactly what I said and what I believe to be what is required of the office of the President by the constitution.

Dennis,

Good morning, how are you today, fine I hope. I agree that if one is sued, even the federal government, they do not have to defend the action in court, they can just accept the courts ruling if it is in agreement with their beliefs. However, in my opinion if you are required to enforce the law, that also means you should defend the law or repeal the law. The DOJ stated that their decision was based on the President's decision that the law is unconstitutional, (according to the letter from Holder in Feb this year.) I believe it's a dangerous precedence, since only the courts can determine what laws are constitutional or not. Everyone can have an opinion, but opinions are not binding.

The DOJ, to my knowledge, has only failed to defend article 3 (?) of the law as it pertains to federal workers in states that recognize same sex marriages. I believe they also agreed to cooperate with the private attorneys hired by the House in their defense of the law.

"Dangerous precedence" is ridiculous. Presidents and government has refused to enforce laws from our inception. How else can a suite go before a court, to determine the legality of the law. Basic government 101, their is nothing dangerous except your revisionist banter.

The Democratic idea of making everything equal is to bring everyone who has achieved down to the level of those who haven't achieved. Why not try to bring those in the bottom up to the levels of the achievers?

Ray, I'm glad you added a lot of facts for us.

What fact? All I see is regurgitated rhetoric from Ray. Not one fact.

When The Senate Majority Leader (D) Harry Reid blocks a vote on your "jobs" bill, you can't really blame the Republicans anymore.

And you call what obama has done a success? Pretty pathetic that we can call what he and the democrats have done a success. biden and obama both jsut said that they are responsible for our economy. biden even said we are not better off then several years ago.

Mr. President. You were elected to cut the deficit, provide more jobs and unite congress. The debt is 4+ more trillion and counting. Unemplyement has gone from under 6% to over 9%. Congress is more divided now than anytime in history. You failed! Get a grip and bow your narcisstic arse out.

Why don't you ask the same question of Harry Reid. He is the only one who has blocked a vote on it so far. You are referring to the Democratic Union Stimulus bill. Tell me how many non union jobs will this bill stimulate? After all, unions only represent less than 14 % of workers in the US and less than 7% of public sector jobs. Don't the people who aren't in unions count?

Ray, how do you base your assertions? Many States are right to work, and many are non-union, so do you suggest the stimulus money only goes to the other States. Last I read the States themselves apply for the money, like Perry did and the jerk from N.J., the governor didn't.

Last I read Alaska, was the top State as far as getting revenue from the Federal Gov. compared to what their citizens paid in revenue back to the Feds. Is Alaska largely union? If so how did Palin get elected?

Please explain.

The President keeps saying we need to vote on the Jobs Act now. So McConnell say let's vote on it now. But according to you, if we do what the President asked for, it is a political stunt. So how exactly is that statement logical? Have the vote!!!

You do realize McConnell only wants to vote on this with the China currency legislation bill tacked on? There have been 4 jobs bills from the Senate that never made it because of bull@!$%# ammendments added to them by McConnell and the rest of the senate GOP/TP!

http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/06/21/reid-if-republicans-block-another-jobs-bill-it-will-be-clear-they-care-more-about-right-wing-ideology-than-creating-jobs/

Ray's needle is stuck in a groovey.

When The Senate Majority Leader (D) Harry Reid blocks a vote on your "jobs" bill, you can't really blame the Republicans anymore.

You do realize McConnell only wants to vote on this with the China currency legislation bill tacked on? There have been 4 jobs bills from the Senate that never made it because of bull@!$%# ammendments added to them by McConnell and the rest of the senate GOP/TP!

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Senate Democrats renewed their push to crack down on
countries that manipulate their currencies, ahead of a key meeting between
Chinese President Hu Jintao and U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington. A bill introduced Monday by Senator Charles Schumer and two other Democrats, would impose penalties, including possible tariffs, on nations that manipulate their currencies -- particularly China.

Cynthia's Point What is your problem this bill was introduced by Charles Schumer Senator (D) New York and 2 other democrats. It is a bill that the democrats want and you bash McConnell, you should be happy. He wants an immediate vote on Jobs bill but Senator Reid blocked that because he doesn't have the votes to pass. BTW there have been plenty of bills passed by the House only to be tabled by Reid in the Senate. Don't hear you complaining about that. Obviously you are one-sided in your view.

I think they are trying to say that by asking for a vote and giving the President what he asked for. McConnell is somehow obstructing the bill. After all, logic is not a strong suit of the left.

McConnell called for an immediate vote by offering the jobs bill as an amendment to pending legislation addressing the value of China's currency. McConnell opposes the jobs bill and his maneuver was a clear attempt to put Democrats and Obama on the spot.

Is that clear enough for you? Facts..get some

teknisan and Ray, read the story. Don't be revisionists, it is not good for the welfare of the people.

Bob you and Cynthia are the ones who are being deliberately obtuse. The President is running all over the Country, making a huge spectacle of himself, shouting over and over again "Pass this bill now!". Meanwhile, he didn't even bother to make sure he had the support of his own party in The Senate. A more experienced Leader would have never made such a rookie mistake. Three years in and Obama continues to stumble. Today his bluff was called, and now he looks foolish. Not because of The Republicans. Because The President of The United States of America has acted foolishly.

When The Senate Majority Leader (D) Harry Reid blocks a vote on your "jobs" bill, you can't really blame the Republicans anymore.

Your second sentence is "obtuse". A " more experienced leader" is also. So what is your point. To compromise, in your case is to "stumble". Wow, you are a clone of the right. "Today his bluff was called" is obtuse. Have you ever heard of gerrymandering and the place in history it plays in American politics? Have you ever heard that "politicians speak out of both sides of their mouths". It is all about showmanship, one upping the opposition.

You assume I am a "clone of the right? I marched with Labor and Occupy Boston thursday night. Don't assume, that's half your problem. Nevertheless, nothing in your post refutes anything factual in my post. It sounds like just more name calling.

The use of "clone of the right" refers to the rights pragmatic look at society and politics, with, in my opinion, very few acceptable policy's for the welfare of the people. They dwell on specific demographics, ethics and values, instead of the more general good for all. Lazy, socialist, baby killer, get a job, and others do more harm to our social structure than progressive policy, but it will buy votes, as did the Medicare PartD, the only politically right policy to be made Federal Law, and be considered a government social program.

Again, political gerrymandering has been a fact in our society since our inception. To bring up the Presidents rhetoric during the time that the bill is in Senate committee, and say "why don't they vote for it" is contrary to Senate rule of order, and our historic precedence. O'Connell was showboating, as many do, knowing fully that the bill was not ready for a vote. Your thoughts lead to revisionist thinking, as the process of submitting a bill and the passage would have been changed if what you say you wanted would of happened.

If this is name calling to you so be it, but first check your history book and accept the fact that both the Pres. and McConnell were gerrymandering. So neither is "right", and the call for a vote was inappropriate.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3036

Alil, you may find the link above of interest as it shows the economic impact of Republican/Right gerrymandering to buy votes. No wonder the Conservatives had such a weak Pres/V.Pres candidates in 2008.

Because their are a number of left leaning people that would rather place their grand-grandkids in debt just to have the opportunity to increase the taxes on successful people. Their envy has been ignited and is now hatrid. It's truly sad they feel that way when in fact there isn't enough so called "rich" people around to cover the debt they propose.

Hate to tell you but if you are talking about the President and Democrat's green jobs agenda, the CBO said it is closer to $4 million per job.

Ray, the left want the green jobs just like? eh, Spain. Spain is now admitting failure after spending billions and billions. For every green job they created, they lost 2.8 jobs. And you liberals want this? The liberals think just because we are the United States, that it can't happen to us. What arrogance and ignorance for the liberals to think this way.