Perry camp pushes back against report of racial epithet at rental hunting site

Gov. Rick Perry's team pushed back Sunday on a Washington Post story charging that a racial epithet was displayed for decades on a hunting property leased by the Texas governor's family.

Perry's team says that the governor's father Ray painted over the name -- a holdover from the area's long cowboy culture -- in the early 1980s. That conflicts with the account of a total of seven sources -- who spoke on the condition of anonymity -- who told the Post that the offensive name of the hunting grounds was written on a flat slab of rock at the entrance to the property and was visible during the 1980s and 1990s when Perry launched his political career. One source said the word could be seen as late as 2008.

In a response to First Read, Perry Communications Director Ray Sullivan disputed the accuracy of those accounts.

"The rock was obscured in 1983 or 1984 and remained so," he said. "Named interviewees in the story corroborate that. The story has no named sources seeing the name on the rock in later 80s and 90s claim and those unnamed sources contradict one another."

Sullivan said Perry's last visit to the property was in December 2006 and that he stopped leasing it in 2007. The Perry campaign says the story's suggestion that Perry brought guests to the property when the offensive language was visible is also false. 

Full statement follows:

"A number of claims made in the story are incorrect, inconsistent, and anonymous, including the implication that Rick Perry brought groups to the lease when the word on the rock was still visible.  The one consistent fact in the story is that the word on a rock was painted over and obscured many years ago. Governor Perry and his family never owned, controlled or managed the property referenced in the Washington Post story.  The 42,000-acre ranch is owned by the Hendricks Home for Children, a West Texas charity.

"Perry’s father painted over offensive language on a rock soon after leasing the 1,000-acre parcel in the early 1980s. When Governor Perry was party to the hunting lease from 1997 to 2007, the property was described as northern pasture. He has not been to the property since 2006. In 1991 the Texas Legislature passed a bill to rename old, offensive place names."

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I wonder if Slick Rick ever did any hunting there with 'Bullseye Dick'?

Sounds like he would be right at home... lol

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT

Feisty, I see your sticking your nonsensical head out of the sand again!

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT

I'm sure he did. Keep up the good work Redhead

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT

So a Republican candidate's father sees a racial epitaph on a rock and he has it painted over, and this is supposed to be evidence of 'racism'?

What's wrong with this picture?

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT

It's the south. The last time I visited New Orleans one can still see KKK on structures. A lot of things linger including the Confederate Flag and people like Perry who talk of secession. I think we should just take Perry up on the secession thing.

And fair is fair. Those who still go around talking about how President Obama hung out with terrorists, or still question his birth certificate, one can ask Perry how does it feel?

  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:51 PM EDT

Let's see now. 30 years ago, Perry's father paints over a racial epitaph, and 30 years ago Obama admits to snorting cocaine and spends 20 years listening to anti-White hate speech by his 'Reverand Wtight".

I wonder which is more relevant?

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT

Roy -- Though you prefer to sniff paint, why don't you ask Sarah Palin how relevant snorting cocaine is? And then we could conduct a survey on what is more relevant, "listening" occasionally to a preacher who went across a line in one sermon when not in attendance OR talking about seceding from the union. Or more apples to apples, let's compare Reverend Wright to the long list of International Coalition of Apostles at Perry's Prayer Meeting and individuals like Bryan Fisher who's stunning record of public bigotry makes most other religious zealots look like, well, a Sunday picnic.

  • 13 votes
#1.6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 4:59 PM EDT

Perry and family were not wealthy enough to lease land for sport were they? Not until Perry went into politics. That's the real story here. Perry is worth millions now, in fact he could buy that 1,000 acres. Hmm, where did that money come from? Not from his government pay.

  • 11 votes
#1.7 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 6:20 PM EDT

(article) ... seven sources -- who spoke on the condition of anonymity ...

* * *

7 slanderers, gutless wonders, who do not wish their names in print are "race baiting" and MSNBC believes this is news ??????????????

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:35 PM EDT

Who started "fishing expedition politics," um let me think, Republicans/Ken Starr going after Clinton? And conspiracy theories as well. Ever since Watergate, Republicans have tried to vindicate themselves by trying to turn the table--But then they keep electing losers. As I said, the real story is how Perry and family could afford to lease land for sport. Where did Perry get all his wealth?

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT

Leasing hunting property is not for the wealthy. I know several that do it and its not that expensive. We are talking rural acreage.

"Fishing expedition" politics have been going on long before Clinton.

    #1.10 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT

    In my town there is a section called Mexiquito not an epitath just the name of the original fishing village that was there which merged with the Point to become one town. The hispanic villagers named it not the caucasians.

      #1.11 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
      Reply

      Sad to even think that signs such as that were visible in the 80's - why do I have a hard time believing Perry excuses on this?

      • 12 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT

      Sad to even think that signs such as that were visible in the 80's

      Sad to think that FR thinks this baseless irrelevent crap from the 80's is a political story in 2011.

      Pathetic to think that with 9%+ unemployment, year after year after year under Obama, the worst recovery in 70 years, the first downgrade in history, red flags blowing in the winds of a looming second recession .... you guys are worried about some painted over rock at some obscure deer lease 30 years ago.

      - why do I have a hard time believing Perry excuses on this?

      Because you are low information liberal that can't legitimately defend Obama's epic failure and need deer dung like this to feed your clueless bias.

      Obama and liberal media believe that demonizing and demoguery beat data.

      Thanks for proving their point.

      • 12 votes
      #2.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT

      When liberals are desperate (msnbc), they'll resort to articles based on "anonymous" reports.

      It su^&# being on the sinking Titanic. Just ask David Axelrod.

      • 10 votes
      #2.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:10 PM EDT

      When TP shows its true colors, whoops! quick paint that over. LMAO

      • 12 votes
      #2.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

      Herman Cain made an issue of this, this morning on CNN’s “State of The Union”.

      So clearly it is not just Liberals that are upset with the story.

      • 22 votes
      #2.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

      Where was all this racial concern 3 years ago when it was discovered that Obama spent 20 years listening to his mentor, Rev Wright, spout hate against white people and further claim that "9/11 was a case of the chickens coming home to roost on whitey".

      This is FAR more troubling than a word painted on a rock 30 years ago!!!

      According to Obama in his memoirs he was snorting cocaine 30 years ago...Is it relevant today???

      Funny how right wing nuts and leftist loonies will reach in their @$$ up to their elbow to pull **** out!!!

      • 6 votes
      #2.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT

      dsta123 "why do I have a hard time believing Perry excuses on this?"

      Because your predisposed to think "Democrat good, Republican bad" and that's about as far as your intellectual capacity extends.

      • 3 votes
      #2.6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

      Roy,

      So what? You are predisposed to think "Republican good, Democrat bad" so is that the limit of your intellectual capacity?

      • 7 votes
      #2.7 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:13 PM EDT

      Hey perry people go to bloomberg and read the article on the koch bros and all your buddies.it's not msnbc so you may need a translator.

      • 5 votes
      #2.8 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:18 PM EDT

      dtsa123,

      It is NOT HIS LAND ! ! !

      * * *

      (article) Governor Perry and his family never owned, controlled or managed the property referenced in the Washington Post story. The 42,000-acre ranch is owned by the Hendricks Home for Children, a West Texas charity.

      • 2 votes
      #2.9 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:37 PM EDT

      Funny to see you liberals go nuts over a non issue. Things must be getting bad!

      • 1 vote
      #2.10 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:18 PM EDT

      Yeah, because seeing Obama's birth certificate was definitely a huge issue.

      Do you really think only liberals go nuts over nonissues, jollyoldsoul1?

      • 7 votes
      #2.11 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:24 PM EDT

      Just how old was Ricky back in 1980? I know he wasn't governor then. I remember that idiot. Especially when he said a hurricane didn't cause damage in an area as he was flying over it with pictures of foundations with no houses on them.

      • 2 votes
      #2.12 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT

      Just how old was Ricky back in 1980? I know he wasn't governor then. I remember that idiot. Especially when he said a hurricane didn't cause damage in an area as he was flying over it with pictures of foundations with no houses on them.

      It always amazes me what people will actually type and post. One thing to spout it out in conversation but entirely another to actually type it and then fail to EDIT! Perry was in the military and stationed overseas until the late 70's and lived a pretty unremarkable life until being elected to the Texas House of Representatives as a Democrat in 1984. So I doubt he was flying over a hurricane ravaged area making official assessments on damage in 1980.

      • 2 votes
      #2.13 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT

      Because you're an idiot. You are no doubt a liberal who wants to believe any smear campaign

      against a Republican. But then again you just can't help yourself because liberalism is a brain

      disease.

      • 1 vote
      #2.14 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT
      Reply

      Sad to even think that signs such as that were visible in the 80's

      According to the WAPO article it was a welcome mat!

      PS; I have a hard time believing ANY of Perry's excuses! ;o)

      • 15 votes
      Reply#3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT

      What did it supposedly say, what was written on the rock?

      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT

      @!$%#head,” it read.

      You can click on the WAPO link above and read the entire story...

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:02 PM EDT

      That's some real Hillbilly graffiti, not what you would expect from a man who wants to represent the nation in any capacity much less the POTUS.

      I am going to do Rick a favor and advise him to drop out of this campaign, because POTUS isn't going to happen for him, and if he stays in any longer he is likely going to ruin any chance to be re-elected as Governor of TX.

      • 13 votes
      #3.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT

      Come on everyone knows Rick Perry loved seeing that sign. It was a real feel good vision for him.

      Perry probably had a lot of Prayer Vigils there!...No wonder they still don't have rain in Texas!

      Remember this is Texas the state who didn't tell their Slaves, they had been freed for 2 years after, the Proclamation had been enacted.

      • 8 votes
      #3.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT

      lmao.....Wilberta! I have two neighbors on either side of me..... both named Wilberta!

        #3.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT

        Ha Ha well then their first initials and the zero between them spell W0W

        • 1 vote
        #3.6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT

        Thanks for helping me out with that one Feisty. I'm such a dumb Canadian that I finally had to hit the link to find even what your explanation was. I'm really not used to hearing such language around here. It is really out of line!

        • 1 vote
        #3.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM EDT

        You're welcome GWNO!

        I'm really not used to hearing such language around here.

        Spot ON! I have many friends up your way, particularly in Montreal!

        Thanks for your observations... ;o)

          #3.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
          Reply

          Yes it is too bad but what does one expect. Perry gives off this impression all the time, this 'I am better that thou' attitude. And of course he and his minions will disavow anything he or his family have done in the past, just to make him look good. He and his family used that ranch for years and it didn't seem to bother them in the last.

          • 10 votes
          Reply#4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT

          "Yes it is too bad but what does one expect. Perry gives off this impression all the time, this 'I am better that thou' attitude."

          Oh, that's rich... But your lord and savior doesn't use his "holier than thou" attitude in every single one of his speeches? Your, apologist to the world and demeaning to the American people, president has done nothing to strengthen our country neither economically or diplomatically. He cant even admit when he's wrong.

          "And of course he and his minions will disavow anything he or his family have done in the past, just to make him look good."

          First off, starting a sentence with "and" wow... Did you ever take grammar classes in school?

          Secondly, you DO realize that Obama TOLD a USAF General to CHANGE his testimony with regards to LightSquared and their company's interference with GPS signals? All so another Obama supporter could continue to rake in money?

          Seriously, get with the program people. This is the man who said he wanted to change the way Washington worked... This is your hope and change, people. Happy with it?

          • 4 votes
          #4.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:08 PM EDT

          J.W.Amick: "Seriously, get with the program people. This is the man who said he wanted to change the way Washington worked... This is your hope and change, people. Happy with it?"

          We didn't get the "Hope" but I know we'll get the CHANGE. Go GOP 2012!

          • 5 votes
          #4.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:12 PM EDT

          Maybe Perry can pray this away too. ROFL

          • 12 votes
          #4.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

          Do you people really think that blacks don't use racial slurs about whites???

          • 3 votes
          #4.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT

          @recyclecongress...and your point is????? Have you heard our President use racial slurs against whites? Can you explain what Blacks have done to deserve the prejudice they have had to endure for centuries from whites in America? Not only do Blacks have to tolerate name calling they have to live with racial disparity in schools, on the job, in the government, etc. I'm not speaking hearsay, I'm talking life experiences.

          • 5 votes
          #4.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:17 PM EDT
          Reply

          Your ignorant pigheaded comment seems to show that you look down on anyone who hunts for sport.  Completely beneath you right?  Do you also look down on the farmers who grow your food?  Or do you think that your vegetables magically appear in the produce isle at Walmart?

          People like your self-serving, narcissistic self disturb me greatly.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT

          Wilberta the law was proclaimed by a government not in control of Texas at the time. Texas was a different country at the time so the law had no force in Texas until the federal troops invaded Texas in 1865. It was as if the US congress passed a law for the citizens of Toronto.

            #5.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT

            Sorry, but you better check your facts. Texas joined the union in 1845, 15 years before the civil war. Texas joined the confederacy in 1861.

              #5.2 - Fri Oct 7, 2011 12:20 PM EDT
              Reply

              All the republicans, at this point in history, would not know honor if it were staring them straight in the face. Sad, very sad. Clearly polarized to the point of stupid. Like a damned desease.

              • 14 votes
              Reply#6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:15 PM EDT

              I wonder if the TP/GOP will know honor when it bites them on the butt? LMAO

              • 8 votes
              #6.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

              All I can say is...... its a good thing us independents are center right!

                #6.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:23 PM EDT

                I can't wait till the GOP and the Dems get done with their circuses and have to win over the uncommited independents to get into office. Maybe then we will hear some sensible compaigning.

                  #6.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  Nice empty story, it's the economy stupid. How about some serious stories about the economy written by economists that outline the impact tax increases and continued government overspending will have on our economic future?

                  Most people are not distracted by the shiny nut thrown out there to smear political opposition to Obama. It just serves to rile up the hard core leftists and gives them nonsense to spout off about. It makes you all look like fools.

                  The average working person sees right through it. Obama sucks as a leader piloting our economy forward, his skin color, where he was born, who he hung out with, what church he attended is immaterial. He has never has a real job in the private sector and hasn't a clue what it's like to run a business. He's a big government, top down control, academic hack.

                  I will give him kudos for following his generals advice in Iraq and Afghanistan. Good job taking out those who wish to impose their twisted version of Islam on the world. But a total dumb ass on the free market system.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#7 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

                  NEIL

                  yea and MCAIN with villaga Idiot Palin would have been better?

                  or those 9 extreme morons will do better, please give me a break

                  • 3 votes
                  #7.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:55 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Geesh. All this conversation does is make me curious about what the sign said.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#8 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:43 PM EDT

                  @!$%#head,” it read.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:03 PM EDT

                  Hey Great, read then.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:28 PM EDT

                  I see u like saying that term. I always knew you were a red-headed, racist biznich.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 1:01 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  You pathetic Democrats will grasp anything to try to discredit a Republican. Try sticking to issues, if you can think of any.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#9 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:55 PM EDT

                  laguna-343398

                  You pathetic Democrats will grasp anything to try to discredit a Republican. Try sticking to issues, if you can think of any

                  Fortunately we're not forced to grasp at anything. You incredibly intellectually superior Republicans keep gift wrapping them and presenting them to us with big red bows. So you want to get back to which pressing issues then? Gay marriage? Banning sharia law? Dismantling unions? Defunding National Public Radio?

                  Talk about grasping at non-issues.

                  • 13 votes
                  #9.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT

                  Democrats did not paint the rock they did not do this to him, Rick and the Perry family discredited themselves, this was proudly on display at their front gate, I guess so you can get an idea what they are like before you walk in. This man wants to represent the nation I thought character was supposed to be very important to republicans.

                  • 10 votes
                  #9.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

                  Forrest Grump 2.0

                  ...I thought character was supposed to be very important to republicans.

                  Yes. As long as it's not Republican character.

                  • 7 votes
                  #9.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:04 PM EDT

                  This is an issue.

                    #9.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

                    "You pathetic Democrats will grasp anything to try to discredit a Republican."

                    Really? When did Herman Cain switch parties?

                    • 8 votes
                    #9.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:52 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    All you have to do is look at this guy, he wears his true feelings on his face.  I wouldn't trust him as one-quarter of an inch from his hair.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#10 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

                    so what if something was painted on a rock-some symbolic verbalization? America is the land of the Free....Free Speech....ownership property rights....and the individual opinion matters(even if its not acceptable to all).

                    remember in grade school the old saying, "sticks and stones may break my bones/but words will never hurt me". This senseless taking offense by one side or the other is what is destroying America. Karl Rove was the one who divided the nation into hate camps....he's gone...time to stop drawing party lines and work together....and that goes for racial matters also. Enough whining. Man up and be one.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:09 PM EDT

                    forest, you have a memory problem. Obama is the one who said "the republicans can sit in the back." Nice way to "rise above the politics!" Is that the leadership necessary to bring people together in Washington?! Obama is an abject FAILURE as a LEADER.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:17 PM EDT

                    "No institution can possibly survive if it needs geniuses or supermen to manage
                    it. It must be organized in such a way as to be able to get along under a
                    leadership composed of average human beings."

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT

                    forest, that property rights thing doesn't apply to folks running for president. I wonder how the Sanchez campaign missed this back in 2002 when Perry beat him for Governor?

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

                    I see you have a moniker very similar to mine. At the very least he is a politician, and it is politically incorrect, that is his gaff, not mine not Obama's. We have free speech, you can wear your favorite F you shirt right out in public, but you may not want to wear it to a job interview.

                    • 7 votes
                    #11.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT

                    [We have free speech, you can wear your favorite F you shirt right out in public, but you may not want to wear it to a job interview.]

                    ...or on your Facebook page...

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT

                    Forest #2

                    Your monikor is similiar howeveryour message seems quite different than mine. Politically correctness is another term for the end of free speech, and should be done away with before we are all tongue tied. Opinion's and ideas differ, racial ideals differ, land ownership and what color you paint/or what you paint is your own business. Seems to be a racial divide is being instituted by blacks themselves against themselves. My God....painting on a rock causes concern...what has America come to? If blacks are so sensitive how could they ever govern over a whole nation in a world full of extremes where most countries do not care about what happened a hundred and fifty years ago?

                    The "n" word never had one thing to do with race nor was it racial. In the Old English the word simply meant "theif".

                      #11.6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 4:35 PM EDT

                      Did you intentional rip off my Moniker, it has been around here for awhile, or is it a coincedence?

                      So it is Old Engish you tell me, why would I want to elect an Old Engish type of guy in the year 2012.

                      So it is just Old Engish for "theifhead" then, could that be taken as "headtheif", is it a warning to watch out you don't get ripped off when your pass the front gate. Ha this is getting worse for Rick, he needs a better defense-man than you.

                      People have free speech, it is a wonderful thing, they can speak a message, make a sign, put it on a T-shirt, get a tattooo on their forehead, burn a flag, or damn near any silly thing they want, but people judge you by how and what you use your free speech for, that is a fact of life.

                      • 3 votes
                      #11.7 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:29 PM EDT

                      Let me correct my grammar and spelling and be perfectly clear here, I would like you to please answer the question: Did you intentionally rip off my Moniker, as it has been around here for awhile, or is it a coincidence?

                      • 1 vote
                      #11.8 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 6:07 PM EDT

                      Forrest Grump 2.0, who also was Forrest Grump before that, has posted regularly in this forum for a long time. I vote that the impostor forest grump needs to get a new moniker.

                      • 4 votes
                      #11.9 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 6:13 PM EDT

                      Well if I get a reply, intentional or coincidence, I would like to politely ask him to please pick a new Moniker, as I have used this as mine for a number of years in this forum. Thank you TP for pointing that out.

                      • 2 votes
                      #11.10 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT

                      LEONA-2986819

                      "...Obama is an abject FAILURE as a LEADER."

                      A failure as your leader. Not as mine. As my leader, Barack Obama didn't just talk about doing something about health care as "leaders" for a century have. He made a change. You don't have to like it, but he did it where all others before him failed, Republican and Democrat alike. Americans knew we needed a change like that. He led the way, stepping on lots of toes in the health care, insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Most people like me think he should have stomped a hell of a lot harder on some of those toes.

                      Barack Obama led on Wall Street reforms. Again, not perfect; but certainly movement in the right direction. Again, something so-called leaders failed to do in the past.

                      Barack Obama led the way for Chrysler and GM to become solvent again. Republicans wanted them to fail too, remember?

                      And Barack Obama is trying now to lead this country's Republicans towards putting Americans back to work. But Republicans fail to be led by this "ABJECT failure as a LEADER" as Leona describes him. Republicans will not be led by anyone except someone who calls themself a Republican, regardless of what kind of person he or she is. I wonder where Sarah Palin really would have led this country by now if by some unfortunate twist of fate it had come to that. Can you imagine? Seriously?

                      If you can't see, even in hindsight, what abject failure in your past looks like, then who can trust your ability to choose leaders in the future? Your party has zero credibility outside of itself, and the only way you'll ever get any is to start making intelligent decisions not based on sex, race, religion or wealth.

                      Put America back to work. I don't see leadership any clearer than that.

                      • 9 votes
                      #11.11 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:57 PM EDT

                      hey forest grump 2.0

                      hope this finds you. signed up 10-04-08. newsvine assigns the monikers...not you...not me. if you arefirst(I have sent a question to newsvine on date of sign-ups). I have just noticed you posting this week. Frankly I don't give a damn...except I certainly do not want to be accused of having your wet washrag limp wristed comments construed as being mine.

                      Stop pointing fingers and get over yourself.

                        #11.12 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT

                        I asked you a fair and honest straightforward question, in a civil manner, if you have had that moniker for the last three years you sure have not posted much under it, whereas I assure you I am a long time and avid poster here on first read. I was never assigned a moniker by newsvine I picked mine a long time ago, Forrest Grump, I had to amend it to Forrest Grump 2.0 for technical reasons. I would greatly appreciate it if you could kindly accommodate me and select a new moniker. I removed my Forrest Grump account so I would not be in violation of the rules, so my past comments my be gone, but again I assure you they were quite numerous (I understand I have a big mouth, hell the other day I heard Mrs. Grump tell somebody on the telephone that "Forrest is so tired, he can hardly keep his mouth open"), but even if my comment history is gone I am confident many in this forum would vouch for that history as being fact, and like yourself would wish to avoid any confusion with another poster with such a similar moniker. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration in this matter, and I greatly look forward to future discussions with you here at FR under your new moniker. Fraternally Yours Forrest Grump 2.0

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.13 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT

                        lmao he ran away!

                          #11.14 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:25 PM EDT

                          forest grump

                          ...I certainly do not want to be accused of having your wet washrag limp wristed comments construed as being mine.

                          Oooh. Who doesn't just love a man with a good, stiff wrist.

                          • 3 votes
                          #11.15 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:22 AM EDT

                          Forrest 2.0 - you can contact Newsvine - impersonating another poster is against the rules!

                          Trust me, I've had it happen to me numerous times! ;o)

                          PS: I'll back you up on having been on First Read for over 3 years...

                          • 2 votes
                          #11.16 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:03 AM EDT

                          Rick's Real: "If you can't see, even in hindsight, what abject failure in your past looks like, then who can trust your ability to choose leaders in the future?"

                          Unlike you, I don't vote for FAILURE TWICE. Obama had 3 years to create jobs! Obama added $4trillion to the debt, we are at 9.1% unemployment, he got us an s&p downgrade, he keeps the borders unprotected from the illegals that keep coming in , and he's pouring tax dollars into "green" companies that people like Nancy Pelosi's brother in law make millions on ( which fail, of course).

                          ....and you think Obama's goin to "put people back to work!" wow, I am confused.

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.17 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:03 AM EDT

                          " he got us an s&p downgrade,"

                          Uh, no. That would be the TPers in Congress who refused to deal until the last minute.

                          "he keeps the borders unprotected from the illegals that keep coming in ,"

                          Again, no. Deportations are up, and Obama asked for and got more money for border patrol, upping the number significantly.

                          • 3 votes
                          #11.18 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:27 AM EDT

                          DrDrGimme, put the kool aid down. On s&p downgrade, Obama insisted on a debt ceiling raise without cuts, thus we had a standoff until the very end because the $14trillion debt is only being addressed by Republicans. As far as the borders, the Govenors of border states keep asking for more action from the feds, boots on the ground and to BUILD A FENCE ( that is a federal govt. responsibility, look it up). Obama wants the illegals to become future Democrats, that's the only way Socialists stay in control....they offer handouts.

                            #11.19 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT

                            forrest gump before 1990 you couldn't get elected dogcatcher in Texas if you were a republican. So there were very few republicans in Texas but a whole lot of states rights Dems. As my southern born friend said in the 70's he didn't know there were any white republicans till he moved to Chicago.

                              #11.20 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT

                              Thank You Fiesty.

                              • 1 vote
                              #11.21 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:06 PM EDT

                              Leona- What's that red ring around YOUR mouth? Interestingly the debt ceiling was raised 18 times by Reagan, 8 times by Bush without a PEEP from anyone about tying it to debt cuts. See here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/ And S & P noted two factors in its downgrade. 1) The debt-to-income ratio of the US which means not only is there too much debt, but NOT ENOUGH income coming in, a fact Republicans conveniently ignore as it would require they raise taxes on the wealthiest. 2) The toxic political climate causing two near shut-downs of government in less than 6 months. I have YET to see any Republican or TPer take responsibility for any part of this debacle.

                              And again, there are more deportations going on under the Obama administration than under previous administrations. (That would be the requested 'action' you are referring to.) See here:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html and additional monies and border patrol were requested by the Obama administration. (That would be the 'boots on the ground' you refer to.) See here: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/22/nation/la-na-border-patrol-20100623 Since you are oh so concerned about the fiscal health of the country and our spending, I wonder how much a border fence would cost to build and maintain?

                              "Obama wants the illegals to become future Democrats."

                              You know this how? Some credible sources for this assertion, or note that we will understand you are talking out your @ss.

                              • 3 votes
                              #11.22 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

                              Forest Grump 2.0:

                              Man you do not have a copyright on a screen-name......lol..... Stop whining like a little switch and keep it moving......lol.........

                              Go run and beg to FR like a little punk.

                                #11.23 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT

                                I did not whine I asked the person a straight forward question 3 times, never did get a straight forward answer, I got a lie for an answer newsvine does not assign monikers and you know it. I asked him politely to stop using it, there was no whining, just a straight forward call out, I did not contact newsvine and if he stops I won't have to. if he does not stop I will because I don't want to be confused with this guy. I'm sure you can understand why, if not I will tell you why, because this guy and you are punks he could not give me an honest answer and your are the kind of punk that defends that.

                                • 2 votes
                                #11.24 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:36 PM EDT

                                LEONA-2986819

                                Rick's Real: "If you can't see, even in hindsight, what abject failure in your past looks like, then who can trust your ability to choose leaders in the future?"

                                Unlike you, I don't vote for FAILURE TWICE

                                So you voted for Gore and/or Kerry in two different elections? Fascinating. Because I haven't heard a lot of talk about George W. Bush's successes lately, especially from your side... and it was your side who elected him - twice. Unless of course you don't include the first election in which Bush was assigned the presidency by the Supreme Court...

                                • 3 votes
                                #11.25 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 2:01 PM EDT
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                                Too much contradiction to even say such a sign was even there during the period Perry was even a party to a lease. Someone is just digging dirt in any way they can to try to get him discredited. Are the Libeals this afraid of him that they have to publish trash? Obama sent 11 reports to Alaska last campaign to dig up filth on Palin.....now he has a website to trash anyone who dares say anything about him........here we go again!

                                Rumors stick whether they are true or false. Why did this article even get printed when they have no one named who says it is still there? Yet Perry's campaign manager states that he can produce names of witnesses.

                                  Reply#12 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:14 PM EDT

                                  This guy is a total fool

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#13 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

                                  I guess if Perry is a total fool, then that's what it takes to create the MOST jobs in the country. Perry created more jobs in Texas than 40 + states combined. More companies are moving to Texas and leaving Democrat ( money pit) states than ever before! I ask you this, if you're looking for a job, would you move to California or Texas? p.s. even the "illegals" are leaving California.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #13.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:19 PM EDT

                                  If I were looking for a job I would move to Alabama. There are jobs there since they started throwing the illegal aliens out. The jobs that Perry made he filled with illegals.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #13.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT

                                  Leona, I am a die hard conservative however every time I have listened to this guy speak he down right scares me. To me he seems extremely bought and paid for and a typical politician. Might be I a miss reading him but so far not so good for me.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #13.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:02 PM EDT

                                  DaveDFL, I will vote Repub., but that said, Perry is not my favorite. I am hoping for Christie or Romney.

                                    #13.4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:25 PM EDT

                                    1000% percent agree!

                                      #13.5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:32 PM EDT

                                      LEONA and DAVE.

                                      What jobs did Perry created? you mean MCDonald jobs, minimum wage jobs that people can't live on and they still have to be on welfare. Texas lowest in education, highest uninsured, should I go more? Don't even go with jobs with Perry. So in jobs topic, Please let me know what bill did your beloved Republican House of representatives even tried to pass since Nov 2010? please let me know.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #13.6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT

                                      maksim80, Gov.Perry attracted many large and small companies to move to Texas from everywhere in the US ( usually from Democrat states which are anti-business). These are not McDonalds jobs. Ask the people in California, their jobs are moving to Texas. The House Republicans passed bills that sit in the Senate because Old Harry Reid won't bring them to a vote. As far as Texas being the lowest insured, the highest unemployed, it's because Texas shares hundreds of miles of border with Mexico and they have the most "illegals" in their state. At least Perry wants to educate them with in-state tuition fees. Are you against that too?

                                        #13.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
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                                        When TP shows its true colors, whoops! quick paint that over. LMAO

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#14 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT

                                        The Democratic Party's true colors were the Party of the Confederacy and Treason...then a mere appendage to the Ku Klux Klan ..then the Party of segregation and opposition to civil rights. The Party of George Wallace, and KKK Grand Dragon Bob Byrd...

                                        Seems the Washington Post and liberal media have painted and whitewashed that over.....

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #14.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:16 PM EDT

                                        Now Bob, lets not spread misinformation. Robert Byrd, the dems "conscience of the senate" was never a KKK grand wizard. Lets get that straight. He was the KKK's High Klegal (head lawyer).

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #14.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:41 PM EDT

                                        Bob, plus Republicans 100 years ago is not the same party anyhow

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #14.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:04 PM EDT

                                        Bob-1887910

                                        The Democratic Party's true colors were the Party of the Confederacy and Treason...then a mere appendage to the Ku Klux Klan ..then the Party of segregation and opposition to civil rights. The Party of George Wallace, and KKK Grand Dragon Bob Byrd...

                                        Seems the Washington Post and liberal media have painted and whitewashed that over...

                                        So why is it that Republicans are so eager to be endorsed by these same racist groups today? It's kind of funny, your party saying to our party "Obama has been in office three years... you can't blame it on Bush anymore." How ironic that you have to go back well over half a century to find dirt like that; and exactly what relevance does that have on us as Democratic Americans today. We all grew and learned. Even George Wallace took a bullet for his change of heart. So what is it exactly? Are you afraid "the blacks" are going to take over the world?

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #14.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:39 AM EDT
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                                        I see our friends on the right that post here are trying their best to defend Perry. I'm sure that if Charles Manson was running under the republican ticket they would be able to twist things to make him sound like a nice clean republican.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

                                        To suggest Manson would stoop so low...

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #15.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:45 AM EDT

                                        Unfortunately I see too many on these sites who don't know the difference between a native born Texan of hispanic descent and a Mexican national. In my church bulletin there are 34 names of Tejanos (native born Texans of hispanic descent) currently serving their country in the armed forces. 75% or more of the people of my area area are of hispanic descent. They are not illegals and were probably here before most of you were. They have a long history of serving their country proudly and deserve the respect of their fellow countrymen.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #15.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:11 PM EDT

                                        lonereb

                                        Unfortunately I see too many on these sites who don't know the difference between a native born Texan of hispanic descent and a Mexican national.

                                        You mean to suggest that some folks on Newsvine are ignorant? Shocking. :|

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #15.3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:41 PM EDT
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                                        O golly, that a children's home, a charity, would allow such a name for part of its 42,000 acres. You gotta love Texas ethics. Investigate the charity. Perry is ready to be made into croutons.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#16 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

                                        Wow, he's that stale.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #16.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
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                                        1983-1984?! Even THAT's two decades after Civil Rights! Shameful. And more shameful is to hide behind "well we removed it in 1984." So you remained a hillbilly racist 20 YEARS after civil rights? A presidential candidate should have NEVER been a racist. At least Perry has the cajones to infer, "well, I was a racist until 1984. Oh wait, that was my daddy!"

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#17 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

                                        And in the 2000s Democrats elected KKK Grand Kleagle Bob "Sheets" Byrd to Majority Leader in the US Senate...

                                        No shame in that?

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #17.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT

                                        Bob,

                                        Now stop lying there, democrats never elected no KKK

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #17.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT

                                        Maksim 80 you know nothing of the political history of the South. Till 1960 no self-respecting southerner would be a repub the party of the civil war yankees.

                                          #17.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
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                                          LEASED PROPERTY.................is not part of the family owned property. Leasing a property does not give you the legal right to change anything. It gives you USE only!!

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#18 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

                                          So I'm out looking for a spot to lease and one is called N-head. O goody, let's rent that one. The rent goes to a charity. They would never let us change the name to "Hard Headed Texans" or "Beware of rattlesnakes." The only Texan I'd vote for would be Kinky Freeman.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #18.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

                                          So, why would you rent a property that demeans another race? I would never rent or buy a place that read "crackerhead" .Rick Perry is what he is,and only he and GOD knows for sure.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #18.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

                                          N-head was a type of rock formation and was not considered racial when the ranch was built.It was most often used for geographic features such as hills and rocks.[citation needed] In the U.S., more than hundred "@!$%#heads" and other place names now considered racially offensive were changed in 1962 by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, but many local names remained unchanged. Nigardly and nigling are words from before the USA was founded and have nothing to do with race. For a good laugh search youtube for "black hole commissioner". For the uneducated a black hole is an astronomy term for an object with gravity so strong light can't escape it makeing it black.

                                          Owned by a charity, so lease payments support charity. If the boulder is large it would be difficult /expensive to move. It might be cheaper to rent because of the name like renting an ugly house. Nice people dont go damageing property they rent.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #18.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
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                                          & in reply to LEONA-2986819 above. Perry's new jobs came with $4B (with a B) fed stimulus. AND he waived Dept of Education funding to "balance" the books. Get your facts Ms. L. That Right Wing koolaid is more like Propofol... utter anesthesia to facts.

                                          • 9 votes
                                          Reply#19 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT

                                          LOL, I LIVE in TX and there were NO funding cuts to education other then the normal consolidation of underutilized resources and the refusal to fill vacated positions of Union created positions which are in reality nothing more then featherbedding.

                                          In reality Perry did it by cutting UNION jobs which is considered a POSITIVE thing by about 70% of Americans who have now awakened to the thuggish and greedy behavior which is part and parcel of the union way of operation.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #19.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT

                                          JJV, what the Americans are waking to is the rich SOB's sending their American jobs overseas to the Communists. Great patriotic hardcore capitalists, sending American jobs to Communist China and Communist Vietnam. Way to go.

                                          Oh, and if you want your job back...You'll need to sign this paper saying you'll never join a union to fight us filthy rich hardcore capitalist SOB's for better benefits and wages.

                                          LMAO

                                          • 7 votes
                                          #19.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
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                                          LOL, SEVEN, count them SEVEN "unidentified sources and PMSNBC believes THIS is newsworthy?

                                          Hold on!! I was just informed by 12 sources who choose to remain unnamed that There are photos about to be circulated showing Obama having sex with a goat and a pig at the same time. I understand 8 of the 12 were actually there at the time this occurred.

                                           

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#20 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT

                                          What? How is this a story? If after leasing the property in the 80's the Perry family painted over the offensive name, why slander Perry's name? It appears there are those who must invent stories to attack political candidates.

                                            Reply#21 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

                                            lilolme

                                            It appears there are those who must invent stories to attack political candidates.

                                            It's called politics. It appears there are those who may be new to it.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #21.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:50 AM EDT
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                                            I wonder how the Sanchez campaign missed this back in 02.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#22 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT

                                            This makes no sense. Perry grew up the 'poor kid, livin in a shack', yet 30 yrs ago his Dad can afford to lease 1,000 acres for sport? Doesn't fit with the poor boy image he loves to put out there.

                                            • 7 votes
                                            Reply#23 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT

                                            Because they worked hard and became successful.

                                            You wouldnt know, being a liberal and mooching off the government and all...

                                              #23.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT

                                              Bob

                                              there more of your fiscal conservative hill billies on welfare then any liberals out there

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #23.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:08 PM EDT

                                              Bob-1887910

                                              Because they worked hard and became successful.

                                              You wouldnt know, being a liberal and mooching off the government and all...

                                              Are you a billionaire, Bob? Because if you're defending the Republican party, that's the ONLY place your vote is going. The only mooching that's going on is that of the super-rich sucking the majority of Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Libertarians alike - dry. The only difference is who is awake and who is asleep. If you're not a billionaire, Bob... then you must be... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #23.3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
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                                              He said what?

                                                Reply#24 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT

                                                Why is everyone picking on Yosemite Sam ?

                                                Perry/Bachmann 2012 !!! LET god DO IT !!!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#25 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:04 PM EDT

                                                Perry/Bachman = Obama/Biden win- honestly at least the people with real money understand the concept of someone not being electable. Perry has done himself in with his cowboy persona and Bachman is an idiot, although I am guessing his IQ isn't much higher. He is the governor of Texas because he could be controlled by oil companies, not because he is a brilliant statesman.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #25.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
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