Feisty Redhead

Good morning girlfriend

Fuhgeddaboudit!

He is not running he said so last night.

Gov. Christie was seen with his face buried in a double-deck dagwood club sandwich with 5 layers of meat & condiments sandwiched between 6 Krispie Kreme donuts.

One more thing... where did The Week Ahead go again? lol

Mark & Domenico, thank you for this opportunity.

How smart was it for the Obama administration chose not to ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to re-hear the ACA?

Anyone seen Herman Cain?

Where oh where did he go?

We were told last week the winner of the FL straw poll would be the Republican candidate in 2012. lol

Mark and Domenico:

Feisty's Bolier Room question is the question of the week.

It is actually a decent question, but much more important - It is HISTORIC.

Has anyone ever seen one time that she has refered to the governor of NJ as Christie .... as opposed to some variation of Governor Crispy Creme?

Not one hint of a fat joke! Not one insulting word!

And for heavens sake ..... former governor of Alaska refered to as ...Palin!!!!!!!!!!!

No variation of the Wassila Hillbilly, no CFM boot jokes, no ..... wow just wow....

Nothing personal or demeaning, no marginalization, no ad hominem ..... wow

Truly historic post!

BTW - Feisty .... I CERTAINLY VOTED for that one. Well said. Great post. Good job.

By the way, bob, in that same spirit, I must congratulate you for making the attempt to answer my question on the use of the phrase "general welfare" in the Constitution. You did give it some thought, and I appreciate the effort. So, my apologies if I seemed dismissive, I was impressed at the effort you put into it, though I did not agree with your conclusion. It also was a good job that did not contain the usual snark that we have employed toward each other.

I agree bob-1805084! It is so much easier when common courtesy is used.

Feisty.... GREAT POST! and GREAT QUESTION! I can't believe I am saying this... but I voted for you!

newday,

Now I really feel like I need to check if Rod Serling is standing in the backyard.

All kidding aside ..... Thanks newday.

You're welcome bob.

Nothing personal or demeaning, no marginalization, no ad hominem ..... wow

Truly historic post!

BTW - Feisty .... I CERTAINLY VOTED for that one. Well said. Great post. Good job.

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It is so much easier when common courtesy is used.

Feisty.... GREAT POST! and GREAT QUESTION! I can't believe I am saying this... but I voted for you!

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You're going to have Feisty in tears........

You two really know how to hurt the old girl.

LMAO!!!!

Mark and Domenico - the President has re-directed the debate toward the wider idea of a vision for the country - literally asking the voters to think about the very nature of America's "social contract." Is this too esoteric for a general election theme, or does it help voters better frame their approach to the various specific issues?

Now I really feel like I need to check if Rod Serling is standing in the backyard.

I was with you and SOTB up until Joey dropped by!

You & I had have some amiable conversations a couple of time...

Thank you for your comment - I know it had to be painful... ;o)

Joe,

Blog posts are difficult to know how to take sometimes.

And BTW - more than a few of my old exchanges have been very brutal ...

You two really know how to hurt the old girl.

..... funny that she seems to give you a lot more crap, and generally steers clear of someone else.

LMAO!!!!

Now see the point of my first sentence.

BTW - Enjoy your stuff Joe. (Well except for the lmao / hahahahahaha boring stuff)

LMAO!!!!

Now see the point of my first sentence.

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Just to clarify:

LMAO at the Nasty Redhead!!!!!

Hey Feisty,

Actually it felt good ..... in several different ways.

Not that I'm trying to go Mixed Bag on everbody today (and that can be taken several ways), but it would be fun to have a few more amiable conversayions from time to time.

The problem we have is that most of us have very strong feelings and beliefs, the country is in crisis and emotions easily take over. It's hard to separate, especially when the ad hominem gets started.

So is the real Feisty / bob the most dispicable loathesome cruel worthless pos with no redeemable value at all.

Yea .... we both certainly can be and have been. Could be that things get away from us from time to time, to varying degrees instead of the above ..... the other guy is just someone that happens to be passionite and wrong.

My complaint has been going after the ones that don't ask for it. Jody says crap that I want to rip, but I ususally try to remember she is basically a nice person that cares a lot, but is just wrong - and either avoid it or try to challenge more softly. My Jody - your no joe? Just a thought.

Joe that asks for it ..... have a ball .... and lol /hahahaha all you guys want.

Bottom line is that we both understand this isn't just for grins .... this isn't a game .... it is very very important ..... it is effect a war for now. Regrettable @!$%# happens in war.

But for now and before my screen starts to do the Outer Limits intro ..... if you need a new one for Christie ..... have you thought of stale, pale, male and still a whale?

See ya in the FR Funnies ..... Fiestyyouignorantslut.

OK ...... lol

Great idea Drive By - maybe you should make a few up and sell them.

Tell you what - I'll be your first customer, out me down for 6, on for each of my vehicles [two of which exceed the 6500 pound limit to qualify for the IRC Sec. 179 deduction].

I am of course so proud to have educated you on the weight limit. Now all you have to do is become self employed to take advantage of the law.

So get going with your bumper sticker business. Even if it is a part time business - and you could run it through a Sched. C, you can take the deduction.

Nothing like getting a shiny new car AND a fat check from the government, eh Drive By?

You're worried about what the GOP campaign slogan will be? Let's see-

WTF got dumped- too appropriate. It's how the majority thinks about Obama's presidency.

Four More Years to Finish the Job got dumped. Too close to what the majority feared.

Now the slogan is 2012. That's it.

Seems to me Biden should be worried about HIS job. Looks like he's getting set up to take the fall.

It will be endlessly amusing to watch the First Read regulars take out their hatchets and chop him to pieces when he gets replaced on the ticket- not to mention, blamed for every single failure.

I got it NOJO:

Obama's face: "what me worry?"

Or 9.1%/$5Trillion.

Or just $5,000,000,000,000,000.

Or, he could go with JS1's suggestion- " It Could Have Been Worse".

Or maybe, "How Much Worse Can I Make It?"

Or, "Now I've Got Some Experience".

Nah. He'll stick with 2012. It's the least worst of all of them.

Still- no Biden. Hope he knows where the bodies are buried. Think he's smart enough to know that?

Oh come on we all know what it'll be, same as it's been all along:

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!

Obama 2012 - "I'll Raise Every-ones Taxes, Except Yours"

Well at least we got Drive By set on a path to make big bucks so he can get all patriotic and pay a butt load of taxes too.

You are going to love writing those fat quarterly tax checks Drive By.

Mark, Domenico and staff: Though I think Feisty's question is the best, I would like to propose one other:

Much has been made of current polling regarding the President. But not much is said about how Congress polls. Some polls show them as low as 12% approval, and there are also many polls that show that people think all Congressional people should be replaced, including their own representatives.

Any opinion on how that plays out in the next election?

Geekers, kids. Obama's 'toast', yet the constant carping about him on here.

Who can tell me why that is? Trying to convince the rest of us? Trying to convince yourselves??

What's up for tomorrow- Bill Clinton 'got some'??

And spank- ain't it great, knowing you are sending so many of those hard earned (well, at least your clerical staff's) bucks to the folks that pump all the petro, and hate us at the same time?

Neat.

Ya know...I've noticed that spanky has a real inferiority complex. That has got to be the most aggressively hateful sob on this blog..! It is just a constant littany of insults one right after the other.

And spank- ain't it great, knowing you are sending so many of those hard earned (well, at least your clerical staff's) bucks to the folks that pump all the petro, and hate us at the same time?

Good point drive-by.

We are the richest country on the planet when it comes to fossil energy, having more than just about all of the Arab Gulf states COMBINED.

We literally have the resources to be totally energy independent for centuries.

So why does Obama kill the energy industry, kill jobs, threaten our national security, drive up the cost of living, cripple the recovery, increase our trade deficit and make us dependent on the guys that "hate us?"

M.Fisher... PRESS THE IGNORE BUTTON!

Some of us appreciate Spanky's wit and see him as nice counter-balance to the 'other' side.

I'm with you , Bob. I say, let's use all OURS up FIRST, then when we REALLY have to go over seas to get it.....ER......Uh oh. Never Mind.

(BTW- you DID know, didn't you, that there are hundereds of lease tracts in the gulf that are not in production, but that could be if the leasee's wanted to use them?)

You gotta spend it on something Drive By.

But to your point - we will hopefully soon start to increase domestic production. Until that happens is a necessity, so what you gonna do?

MFisher - perhaps, but what you don't see is the happy giggling and smirking that accompanies most of my posts.

But come on man - with all the big brained libbies around here it's mighty hard not to feel inferior.

[did you feel the happy smirky smile there?]

M. Fisher if you think Spanky is hateful you obviously have your head buried in the sand about some of the regular FR posters. Spanky presents opposing opinions. That doesn't make him hateful or any other of the other things conservatives are called on this blog (racist, puppy killer, nazi to name a few).

fisher better yet, why not try to disprove the points spanky makes, shouldn't be hard for someone with your talent, right? Government data is there for all to see as are mainstream news reports.

Buzzers: And spank- ain't it great, knowing you are sending so many of those hard earned (well, at least your clerical staff's) bucks to the folks that pump all the petro, and hate us at the same time?

I believe we get most of our oil from Canada, by an almost 2:1 margin with the Saudi's (who are equal with Mexico).

Neat

It sure is.

For Amy, Buzz, and all, the search for that info is: us oil imports

let's use all OURs up FIRST

Yea, certainly before China and everyone else uses most of it.

You haven't that there is a big drill in the Gulf getting ready to start ... by China.

Seems they are even trying to talk Canada into building a pipline west since they have had so much resistance in building one south. (That means they want Canada's stuff that we currently get.)

Anyway, hope you libs come up an idea and no ... the answer ain't blowing in the wind.

"I believe we get most of our oil from Canada, by an almost 2:1 margin with the Saudi's (who are equal with Mexico)."

Well, that's a relief. If OPEC throws another embargo, I can rest easy my gas won't go through the roof again.

Damn, Bob- it almost sounds like you are campaigning for *gasp* finding alternatives to oil.

I do like the pipeline idea though. Maybe- Not sure yet if my drinking water comes from the Ogallala Aquifer or not. Need to study up on that.

That, and Chevy Volts, of course.

Buzz: Well, that's a relief. If OPEC throws another embargo, I can rest easy my gas won't go through the roof again.

That's the thing with Buzz. You slap him down, he gets right back up.

Just remember the safeword Buzz.

Please.

TY

Wow! That's great.I don't have sound either.

Thank you!

"I don't understand, how does Wall Street impact job creation"

Oh. My. God.

This from the same crowd who thinks the Buffett Tax is a good idea, or could ever actually happen.

Man, the insight I get here into the libbie mindset is terrific. I would never have guessed they are this out of touch with reality.

But then again, these are the 9 to 5 ers, the wage earners.

Oh and you gotta love Amy's reference to reporters as "people in the know."

Astounding.

Amy B. Portland, ME

Seriously, I'd like to know: on Sunday I watched Meet The Press and I heard Mayor Bloomberg tell David Gregory that one of things holding back job creation is the unease Wall Street feels around potential prosecution for events four years ago. (I'm sorry I haven't been able to find a transcript of his exact words on the MTP website.) My jaw dropped at this comment. I don't understand why this hasn't been front page news. I have heard similar rumblings from reporters like Maria Bartiromo, saying Wall Street isn't creating jobs because they don't know what the tax situation will be, or they are "looking for leadership.

Amy

That is an excellent question. Uncertainty is no reason to sit on trillions of dollars worth of jobs.

Good questions, Amy. David Gregory certainly made no effort to challenge the comment.

Bloomberg's comments were particularly odd since there have been no reports that the DOJ is considering prosecuting at the federal level. As for Bartaroma (sp), she's merely repeating the talking points fed to her by Wall Street to explain away the volatile market. Both Bloomberg and Bartaroma are presumed intelligent people but their remarks say something completely opposite. Anyone with a grain of common sense knows the truth--businesses do not sit around waiting on a decision about regulations or tax decisions; nor do the big firms concern themselves about whether someone might be prosecuted or not. If businesses sat around waiting on Government to do something or not do something, they'd be waiting until pigs fly. Businesses hire when consumers buy; consumers aren't buying because of a slow economy; the economy is slowing because Congress is sitting on their backsides and flailing their arms while bickering until the next election.

Amy B. Portland, ME

Seriously, I'd like to know: on Sunday I watched Meet The Press and I heard Mayor Bloomberg tell David Gregory that one of things holding back job creation is the unease Wall Street feels around potential prosecution for events four years ago. (I'm sorry I haven't been able to find a transcript of his exact words on the MTP website.) My jaw dropped at this comment. I don't understand why this hasn't been front page news. I have heard similar rumblings from reporters like Maria Bartiromo, saying Wall Street isn't creating jobs because they don't know what the tax situation will be, or they are "looking for leadership.

Amy, that is an excellent question. Uncertainty is no reason to sit on trillions of dollars of jobs. They got theier tax cuts and didn't create nary job.

Uncertainty is people unemployed & underemployed not knowing how they will pay their bills.

These people are such hypocrites. The real uncertainty is the fazctg they don't know despite all their objections if they make thier #1 goal the President one term.

Say the folks who have never create a job, started a business, or sought ot provide health insurance to a group.

So Amy/Bev. can you think of any good reasons to sit on wealth?

You guys crack me up. For heaven's sake, Amy couldn't even be bothered to save for retirement. Might have done her well to sit on some of her cash over the years.

Just imagine if you had put away as little as $50 a month starting in your 20's, you'd be in great shape now.

Amy---I found that comment by Bloomberg unusual and it didn't make sense to me. It was as if Bloomberg was the companies sit on cash and don't do anything to grow through job creation because the top executives might be prosecuted for something they did 4 years ago? How is that logical?

Thank you Steeler fan! I thought Mayor Bloomberg's comment was very odd and I wished David Gregory had a follow up question about it. Has anyone seen this picked up another news source? I would like to understand exactly what he was saying.

Amy B: Seriously, I'd like to know: on Sunday I watched Meet The Press and I heard Mayor Bloomberg tell David Gregory that one of things holding back job creation is the unease Wall Street feels around potential prosecution for events four years ago.(I'm sorry I haven't been able to find a transcript of his exact words on the MTP website.)

Search: Meet the press transcripts

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44651801/ns/meet_the_press-transcripts/t/meet-press-transcript-september/

Here is what Bloomberg said: Well, nobody has any confidence. If you're a bank and you have money, would you make a loan when people are talking about putting you in jail for what happened in the mortgage crisis three, four years ago? You hunker down.

He's referring to the Lefts insatiable appetite to place blame on someone. If you have the federal government constantly accusing you of wrong doing, you'd hunker down too.

Nice work JAS1, why dear Amy or Jody could take the 2 and 1/2 minutes out to find that is beyond me, particularly how perturbed Amy said she was.

Sad part is Bloomberg is absolutely correct. Even worse the Amys and Jodys of the world will never understand.

And why would they - they go to work, collect a paycheck then go home. All they have to worry about is the continued viability of their employer, something that is out of their hands anyway.

All to be expected. What is not is their constant complaining and pontificating about subjects they know nothing about.

The problem with them, and most libbies is they just do not know what they do not know.

But damn, does it make this place amusing as hell.

Amy B. Portland, ME

I don't understand, how does Wall Street impact job creation, and are they holding the country hostage to get what they want, because it almost sounds like it to me. Your help is appreciated.

WOW! That is all I can think to say about this comment. WOW!

Spanky, did you have a question that you wanted to propose, or are you just here to make fun of others, making no real contribution of your own?

"But then again, these are the 9 to 5 ers, the wage earners."

Ahh yes- the 9 to 5 ers. People like me. And the majority of Americans. Those silly little people that purchase goods and services. Even legal services from time to time.

Gotta look down on 'em for sure.

And newday wins the epiphany prize of the day.

Yay, a prize! Hope its lunch, I'm hungry.

NewDay?

Other than make fun of others and make no contribution?

Just hanging out.

Yeah, I really don't need a couple of journalists to answer a question.

Not looking down Drive By - just commenting on the lack of understanding they have for comments like Bloomberg made.

That you fail to grasp that is not surprising.

So when you gonna get started on that new business venture? You are going to love being self employed, you know being the applesauce and all.

Amy B: I don't understand, how does Wall Street imapact job creation

Maybe the question should be "Do Liberals understand what is the function of Wall Street?"

Take a crack at it Libs. Copy it from Wiki if you have to, at least you'll learn something if you bother to take the time to read it.

And for those that struggle with searches, try: Wall Street wiki

Soon, Spanks. But I thnk I'll change the content of those stickers to 'Friend of OPEC'. How many of THOSE can I put you down for??

JoannaSmith

Thanks for the link to the Meet The Press transcript! I don't know why I couldn't find it before. Maybe it wasn't up when I looked after the show.

I confess I have never understood how Wall Street works. Before the financial crisis, I had started watching Wall Street in Review with Paul Gigot on PBS to try and educate myself, however I got disgusted by the show because of it's anti-Democratic Party slant. I always thought people who worked in finance were smart - but they didn't look too smart to me on TV, just arrogant and politically biased. Then the finanacial crisis hit - ha! Turns out Wall Street really is as corrupt, arrogant, flat out incompetent and Republican as I thought!

I still think this is a strange comment for Mayor Bloomberg to make. My gut tells me some code is going out that Wall Street won't create jobs till they are assured they get what they want.

If you're a bank and you have money, would you make a loan when people are talking about putting you in jail for what happened in the mortgage crisis three, four years ago? You hunker down.

For crying out loud, Amy

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/24/pro-business_does_not_mean_pro-market_105292.html

Ever hear of a limousine liberal? They're all over Wall Street.

Course, not this year.

Let's digest the sentence, shall we?

Banks have tightened their credit requirements, although they have money to lend. Ordinarily, that would lead them to loosen requirements- they make money by lending money, after all.

They have not, and will not, do so, when there are lawmakers threatening to jail them for making loans with loose credit requirements-even though they did so at the behest of the government.

Get it, now?

Amy B: I confess I have never understood how Wall Street works

Wall Street is one central point (there are many others) where capital is allocated in an efficient manner. Capital is invested based on the view of companies ability to earn a profit for the investors. Wall Street is one place to facilitate the exchange of monetary securities between a set of buyers and sellers, i.e, a market. The investors examine a companies ability to generate a profit and make investments accordingly based on a companies ability to create wealth, and also determine the risks associated with making that investment.

Amy B: I still think this is a strange comment for Mayor Bloomberg to make. My gut tells me some code is going out that Wall Street won't create jobs till they are assured they get what they want.

Wall Street creates no jobs (other than what is needed to run the market). Business that are invested in create the jobs. If those businesses are uncomfortable with the environment they work in (of which the government and it's taxes and regulations are a part of), they will not create those jobs. It is the job of Wall Street to determine what companies to invest in and what companies to sell, and it's based on their determination of a companies ability to do so. A successful well run company will grow it's wealth and grow it's workforce, and be invested in by Wall Street. A poorly run company will have the opposite happen to it.

Spanky, NJ, JoAnna et al, if you could bear to stop being so self righteous for a moment and respond to people like Amy with something other than derision it would be nice.

Amy makes the very good point that to many Wall Street seems like a big Ponzi scheme itself. Or certainly a big black hole. Amy hits at the very heart of the doubt and mistrust that people have for the whole process.

Of course, what Amy is asking is for a little more humanity, and the conservatives have already made their views on that issue abundantly clear.

My take is they are making a killing off the governments money....no need to lend. When the gravy train ends then they will lend again.

Thanks, JoannaSmith for your informative explanation of how Wall Street works.

Something doesn't feel right about the current talking points from Wall Street, however. Bloomberg says:

If you're a business, would you go take a loan and expand and hire more people when every day there's talk about different regulation, different tax policy? Business has to know what it's going to be in the future to plan because hiring people is a long-term commitment. If you're an individual, would you go take that extra vacation, buy a new house and that sort of thing when you're not sure whether Washington is going to do what's right to keep job creation going in America?

I wish David Gregory had asked Bloomberg to define "doing what's right to keep job creation going in America." Rather nebulus, don't you think? "Talk about different regulation, different tax policy" is keeping companies from expanding? Really? Examples please. And while he's at it, what would Bloomberg say held back growth during the Bush decade when all those "business friendly" policies were in place and those job creators were paying lower taxes than under Reagan?

During the Bush years, we were at labor shortage levels - under five per cent unemployment. That held down job creation in this country, as the cost of labor escalated.

Now there is a labor glut- and, yes, not knowing the cost to do business is a drag on growth. 379 new regulations in one month- July- and 4200 in the pipeline. That's not cow ting the regulations that will come with Obamacare, some of which are already being implemented. There's a reason health I surname costs went up 9% this year. Companies are eating a lot of those costs- which is, also, a drag on hiring.

Not liking what you perceive as someone's political views or bias is no reason to stop seeking to learn about something you don't understand.

Heck, it might help you think.

the cost of labor escalated.

Yet wages for the middleclass were stagnant. Your argument doesn't add up.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/index.htm

Not liking what you perceive as someone's political views or bias is no reason to stop seeking to learn about something you don't understand.

Comparing my comments today to yours, if I do say so myself, I'd say mine are a better example of A mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open.

Un huh. This from the woman who thinks it's cool to make fun of the blind.

As for your open mind, I'll refrain from making any cracks about whistling sounds, and simply tell you that an education is a good thing. Your Obama worship makes it sickeningly obvious that you never bothered to get an education, or to bother maturing past the age of twelve.

Objective facts are objective facts- and all the spin and excuse making in the world does not render them any less.

By all objective facts, Obama is a failure as a president. A failure we, our children and grandchildren will be paying for with lower living standards and higher taxes.

And NJNB's responses are subjective Amy. Keep that in mind.

My opinions notwithstanding, GDP, unemployment, and the size of the debt are objective facts.

As to what is subjective, I can tell you I would be voting to remove any republican president with those same objective numbers.

See how easy it is?

Un huh. This from the woman who thinks it's cool to make fun of the blind.

YOU of ALL people should be VERY careful with the bull@!$%#...

I wouldn't GO there you old bat - you are the one that makes fun of & HATES autisic children...

CRY me a river...

Hubby still traveling I see?

Thank goodness you have the Libs R Us diaries to comfort & titillate you....

"Come on, guys- you needmto at least have a veneer of impartiality."

Yeah, you guys- the hell with all this 'jobs jobs jobs' nonsense. We all need to know more about Fiskers (not the scissors, either- the cars!).

Well, considering they got taxpayer money from the stimulous to create jobs in Finland, I'd think it rated a mention, don't you?

Sure hope Mr. NJ Nut Job bought the extended warranty for NJ's shiny I-Pad...

Either it's in dire need of repairs or her spelling really does suck.

I seem to remember her specifically chastising Amy about how her 'keys' don't stick! lmao!

Anyone think Feisty knws that Ipads don't have keys?

NOJO - come on, no way FR touches that stuff with a ten foot pole.

How about this - how many bills has Reid scheduled before Obama's jobs bill?

How many dems senators do you all predict will vote against it?

Oh and what happens to every government created job when the funding runs out, and how does that differ from a private sector job.

Hey Drive By - feel free to field that last one. :)

I rest my case on this site contributing to the ignorance of the regular posters.

http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/en-us

They got stimulous funds. Used them to create jobs in Finland.

And the writers of this blog ought to know that most of you read this, think progress, and media matters exclusively. Therefore, they need to educate you, at least a little.

No Joe,

Where is your outrage over the missing 3 billion dollars of Blackwater funds provided by the Bush Administration to them including $2.6 billion that Blackwater has NO paperwork what-so-ever?

Read and learn

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/09/22/breaking-fisker-gets-528-7-million-loan-from-u-s-doe-for-karm/

$528 million in loans from U.S. Taxpayers, in the HOPE they will become profitable, for cars made in FINLAND.

You think you're too clever for words, because a scissors company has a similar name?

Try reading something informative, rather than Obama rah rah blogs. You might be amazed at what you learn.

Ha.

IPad.....Keys.

Ha.

I was at Fisker for 7 months. Loved Irvine. Went to the beach a lot. Warmer than Detroit. Too bad it is in California. Company is a mess. Had to get out.

$105,000 Luxury Hybrid called the Karma. Technology similiar to the Volt. Beautiful car. Maybe the nicest looking car I have ever been a part of. Too bad they can't keep it running. Gets real hot with all those inverters and batteries. Melts stuff like wiring. Kind of critical.

Fisker, well, could end up being another boondoggle. Although they have managed to secure almost $600 billion in private funds.

Which always made me wonder, why do they need government money?

You talking about this, Dennis?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2011/01/blackwater-linked_firm_scores.html

It's not three billion, and it's 2011, so, unless I'm as uninformed as the rest of the nitwit's on this blog, Bush was not president this year.

If you've got something else from a,legitimate news source- by which I mean, a NEWS source, like the NYT, or the WSJ, or the WaPo- certainly, feel free to share.

Don't waste your time with hysterical ravings from conspiracy sites though. I won't even bother reading.

Yoo hoo, drove by? Did you read the links? Learn anything?

Anybody home ?

Hey NJ, that $528 million was supposed to be exclusively for the next generation Karma. It is called the Nina. It is suppose to be built in the old GM plant in Wilmington Delaware.

Two things, though:

1. They can't get the Karma to work, so they are spending the money on that program, which means they won't be able to fund the Nina.

2. Fisker has privately said that they won't re-hire any of the former GM employees in Delaware if they ever do build the Nina, due to concerns about "work ethic".

Henrik Fisker is a pretty cool guy. Great designer/Stylist. Lousy businessman.

The Obama link to Fisker is through one of Obama's donors. John Doerr is a major investor in Fisker, a major Obama donor- and, oh yeah, on the Department of Energy board that advises on who, exactly, get taxpayer loans.

Isn't that strange? What a coincidence!

I wonder if those loans were formulated so he gets his money out if the company goes belly up- the way Kaiser got the Solyndra loans restructured.

no jo: just curious. Is there EVER a day when you feel like you can say something positive about anything? This is really getting old.

I guess drive by ran away. Think it was something I said? Or, maybe, having hia ignorance exposed?

Come on back, drove by. You just proved the point I was making- these writers are doing a serious disservice to their readers by ignoring issues that could hurt Obama.

No wonder you all think he's great- you don't know a blessed thing about what he's doing to you. While you bear a certain responsibility for that- by limiting your reading to this site, and other Obama rah rah sites- it seems to me that it behooves the "professional journalists" on this site to accept at least some of the blame.

They don't tell you anything you really need to know.

Dennis - Good morning my friend. As for your question about Blackwater, there was a lot of outrage about the money to Blackwater that was not accounted for. Personally I don't think there should ever be a company/organization like Blackwater, to me they are nothing but over paid wantabees and are more like mercenaries. But the blame is mostly on the defense department and the state department, but there was definitely a lack of oversight by the Bush Whitehouse.

If we are going to go to war we must build up your military forces prior to entering a conflict. We need a larger active duty force and depend less on reserve and national guard troops. Personally I feel (being from the Army of the 60's & 70's) we should never have gotten rid of the draft. Doing away with the draft did nothing to save money but was strictly a political decision to gather votes and try and calm the protests.

This is really getting old.

It's all she's got other then proving it's not the I-Pad that's broken! ;o)

In 3 1/2 years I don't ever remember a comment that didn't contain some sort of deep seated irrational hatred of a man named Obama...

That's too bad WCA about the car.

I like Tesla, although I'd never, ever pay that much for so little. A let's fact it those batteries will go out after just a few years, and cost huge amounts to replace.

Matter of fact I'm going to buy one last expensive car - the new 911 comes out in a month or so, then that's it. The cheap cars are really nice these days.

And bottom line a base Sonata gets just as good gas mileage, and is far cheaper in the short and long run as the Volt, or any hybrid.

And NOJO - we are seeing less and less of the libbies anymore. Same with Drive By. They are all in a world of hurt right now.

Good thing is that Fiesty, Bev, Jody and Amy are too clueless to realize it.

If having facts presented inconveniences you, new day, because those pesky, sharp things keep poking holes in your pretty, pink Obama balloons- don't read the posts.

It's pretty simple.

It's sad, though, that the only way you and your little club members can keep "hope" alive is to be totally ignorant of the facts.

So, the "Chicago Way corruption" makes you uncomfortable? Me, too. It should. It's OUR money Obama is using to pay off his donors- tenfold what they gave him in 2008.

It all came out of Stimulous I. Now, why do you suppose he's so hellbent on getting Stimulous II rammed down our throats?

Here's a hint- it ain't jobs. It's a payola honeypot.

You don't want to know? Sorry. Just skip past the posts- then you can drug yourself that Obama is the One. The Hopeful Change.

And that none of this disaster is his fault.

It won't make it true, of course, but you'll be more comfortable in Obamaland, home of plaid skies, if you dint have to confront his failures and corruption.

See, no jo, this is why people are so dismissive of you. I asked a reasonable question, trying to understand why you always seems so bitter. Instead of answering me, you attack me for asking. In fact, if you want to see "failure and corruption", that is what you will see, independent of what is actually going on and what the facts are. I feel sorry for you, no jo. It must be sad to be this unhappy, and to have so little support for your country.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

"no jo: just curious. Is there EVER a day when you feel like you can say something positive about anything? This is really getting old."

Watch it, NDD..R- she'll sic her 'lawyer' kid on ya! Ha Ha Ha Ha....

See? I ain't gone nowhere, jo jo. I'm still waiting to hear why you all the time rag on Obama, when, accoding to you, he's 'toast'. ('epic' toast??)

Oh and what happens to every government created job when the funding runs out, and how does that differ from a private sector job.

Hey Drive By - feel free to field that last one. :)

And yet you (drive by instigator) fail to answer her question, instead opting to play childish games!

Avoiding her like that REALLY exposes you for the fool that your are. (Sorry but the truth hurts buddy!)

"No wonder you all think he's great- you don't know a blessed thing about what he's doing to you"

What IS he doing to me, Jo Jo? I live a very comfortable, clean, safe life. I enjoy a 5 bedroom 3 bath 5 car garage place on 12 acres. 3 cars and a pickup. Savings. 401K- all of it.

SO- Just what IS Obama doing to me?? (oh- and he didn't raise my taxes, and it sounds like he isn't going to, either).

I know what he's NOT doing to me. He's not turning me into a goddamned ME Firster.

What to do when the funding runs out on government jobs? Geez- could it be possible that when those jobs help people consume goods and services, the providers of goods and services see that demand, and need to add jobs finally? Wonder if any of those former government employees would apply for those new jobs, since their government jobs run out of dough?

Geez- y' think, No Jo. Y' think, SOTB? And if not, why not?

(Childish games??)

Uh, drive by? You're welcome for the education, even if you did not want to know about it.

I'd be thrilled to see anything but failure from this president- but there's not much positive in the unemployment numbers, the GDP numbers, the debt numbers, or the foreign policy failures.

The recent news reports about the connection between his campaign donors, and billions in taxpayer dollars flowing into failed businesses, with the taxpayers holding the bag, are not positive, either.

Reading this board makes it pretty clear that, In order to remain an Obama supporter, one must be ignorant of fact, and living in a delusional world.

Sorry, but most of us live in the real world, suffering the consequences of Obama's failures. Since you've got a secret treehouse where you all spend your time extolling the virtues of all things Obama, and trashing those who point out his failures, I'd think you'd be happy.

One thing is certain- you're never going to face reality, and I'm never going to be delusional. So, why bother?

Can the garbage, Jo Jo, and tell us how supply and demand have nothing to do with reality.

Oh, and job creation.

Or- YOU can hide out for a while. (Treehouse? Jeezis, really? STILL??)

Oh- and you never did tell us who you were trying to convince that Obama's 'toast' with all the negative posts day in and day out- the other readers, or you??

When did I ever say supply and demand had nothing to do with reality?

The trouble is, you don't understand how they work in the economy.

See, you are all on the"demand" thing- but, what you don't understand is, the kind of "demand" created by government handouts is the kind that is the most elastic- things like food, and shelter. Basic clothing, and basic energy needs.

Right now, the prices of food and basic energy are UP- due to the increase in gas prices. While gas prices have gone down somewhat, recently, they are still much higher than they were two years ago. Thus, the increase in the rate of demand driven by government subsidy is erased by the decrease in the rate of demand driven by inflation.

In order to get real growth, there must be an increase in supply. Someone, somewhere, with an entirely new product, (think smart phones), or new business model, (Home Depot was conceived, and brought to fruition, during a recession).

I written about this at least three times during the last few weeks. You've either chosen to ignore the posts, or refuse to learn.

Kind of like your knowledge of Fisker Automotive. Little lacking, huh?

Oh, and, by the way, the scissors are spelled "Fiskar", unlike the electric car company, which is spelled Fisker.

You're welcome.

FIskar's are laying all over the house. Can't miss 'em with those bright orange handles and all. I'm all the time catching hell for using them on stuff that dulls them, other than fabrics.

Geez- remind me to save the sarcasm next time for someone that gets it.

And are you trying to tell me demand created from consumption from someone that gets his/her paycheck from the GAO or FAA doesn't count for anything? You're right. I need to go back to school.

Then, I'd understand a comment like: "Right now, the prices of .........basic energy are UP- due to the increase in gas prices"

Damn, are you saying here that the prices are up, because they are up? Again- time for this old boy to drag the books back out of the closet.

Oh, I get it- you're trying to say you were not ignorant about Fisker Automotive- you were being sarcastic?

Right.

And the stimulous worked.

Spanky, NJ, do you consider yourselves impartial?

fielden, I just can't help it. no jo reminds me of Judy Hensler from Leave it to Beaver!

Conservative like you have no right to complain since they ridicule President Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and liberal posters every day--just as your comment did on this thread.

Incidentally, your last sentence is just dead wrong. I remain silent because I'm not good at telling jokes, never was, never will be.

Damage123

My question is, what do you guys think is the average weight of the people at home behind their computers all day ridiculing Christie? And if they ARE obese like he is, does that make them worse hypocrites than they already are?

Damage

You must admit both Christie's weight and hypocrisy is laughable.

Ridiculing the politics is one thing Jody.

I do not recall any ridicule of Obama or Michele's personal characteristics - Height, Weight, looks.

The smoking thing is a quasi-political issue.

Fat brains are more important to me than fat asses. Unless it's Ms. Spanky's ass, which I would not stand for getting big. :)

See, Spaks thinks one big ass in the house is enough.

So Spanky, you've never seen posts poking fun at Obama's big ears or Michelles butt, thighs or hair?

You ain't been paying attention son. Probably rereading your posts all day, huh? That lawyering sure seems to be a cushy job.

Like they said yesterday lisa - they "hated it."

Spanky, Sorry I must have missed that. But I would still like to know what they intend to do not just say.

Several articles on RCP yesterday.

Israel is a sovergien country. We are not the boss of them. They want to create new towns in their country that's their call.

Spanky, I wasn't asking you. I was asking the moderators. I was trying to be polite in my first response. I do not have to explain my questions to you.

Something tells me they're going to pick your question Da Noid.

Good question devie, this election might hold some surprises.

Good question devie, this election might hold some surprises.

Got to diagree with you on this one GF - this election is going to be like NONE other!

We can toss CW out the window...

I think so too, Feisty, not sure the old CW holds for this election.

Wow - still clinging to the Hope and Change, eh gang?

Don't suppose any of you can articulate why the "CW" won't apply? Or why Obama is just the special?

Sorry gang, all the unicorns are dean. The fairy dust is all gone, replaces by Sloyndra, Lightsquared, Gunrunner.But it is nice to see there are at least three of you true believers left.

Cynthia's Point...well taken.

Mark Murray,

I think she wants to know if you think Hilary will get back in the race,...

LMFAO!

Long time no complaint, J. Merle. Where ya' been? Round two with the Hilary doll?