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Subscribe to RSSORLANDO, FL -- Just a little more than 12 hours after ending a shaky debate performance here, an energetic Texas Gov. Rick Perry defied critics who have speculated that his political skills on the national stage don't live up to the hype his front-runner status has garnered.
"As conservatives, we know that values and vision matter," Perry told the crowd at the CPAC meeting in Florida. "It's not who is the slickest candidate or the smoothest debater that we need to elect. We need to elect the candidate with the best record and the best vision for this country."
After bounding onto the stage and flashing hearty thumbs ups to a cheering crowd, Perry did not mention the verbal beating he took from competitors last night on the issue of Texas's granting of in-state tuition to children of illegal immigrants.
But he did take another broad swipe at his top rival Mitt Romney for his support of a 2006 health-care law that included mandates.
"The model for socialized medicine has already been tried, and it failed. Not just in Western Europe, but in Massachusetts," he said of the legislation Romney signed into law.
Perry also accused President Obama of boosting medical costs for older veterans as a part of his deficit reduction plan.
"Mr. President, the men and women of our military who have served our country with courage every single day have already sacrificed enough," he said.
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Slick Rick has a vision alright!
His vision is to force teen-age girls into vaccinations for STD's whose maker has financial ties to his campaign.
His vision is to lay off 75% of firefighters in TX while suffering from a historic drought (not to mention his pray for rain solution was an epic fail)!
His vision is to sleep soundly knowing he possibly sent an innocent man to his death...
Thanks but NO thanks Ricky!
I'll stick with President Obama's vision of moving this country forward rather then backwards!
Rick is quickly becoming an embarrassment for the GOP.
And, a windfall for SNL.
Think he'll go third party?
Good points Feisty. I saw Perry's views on immigration v. Romney's views. I thought Romney's were so cold hearted. I couldn't believe it. But then I read Perry uses these illegal immigrants for cheap labor, which evidently explains his good hiring numbers?
Also, I can't stand with him on executions the way he described how none of these haunt him. Perhaps it's because he doesn't know them. Those who carry out the executions we have learned actually have to seek counseling, as they have gotten to know these prisoners and are deeply troubled and have to just move on to other jobs.
So all in all I see nothing with any of these Republican candidates to want me to listen to them. Santorum, Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich.
Actually, they make me ill and ashamed they're running for the presidency of the United States.
Hopefully at the next debate, a journalist will ask Romney about his offshore accounts, which cost our nation millions. Him and his buddies.
Scamming the system for their own personal wealth. It's not right.
Pat,
say hello to your soon-to-be reelected Senator Scott Brown for me.
...and of course Auntie Zenuiti . Have they found any other illegal alien Obamas on the dole in Mass. this week?
Pat -- these christian conservatives sold what's left of their souls to the devil - he just hasn't come to collect... yet...
Bob, I'll be sure and say hello to Senator Brown the next time he's at our office for a fundraiser. I'll ignore your second question.
Not sure but, there's no doubt he swings both ways! ;o)
Not so fast, there, Bob.....
"Elizabeth Warren, a prominent consumer advocate and former official in President Barack Obama's administration, narrowly leads Republican Senator Scott Brown in a poll released on Tuesday, days after announcing her run for his Senate seat from Massachusetts.
The Democrat Warren, a Harvard Law School professor and Wall Street critic, leads Brown by 46 percent to 44 percent in a survey taken September 16 to 18 by Public Policy Polling."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44113097/ns/politics/t/senate-hopeful-warren-vows-help-middle-class/
As far as the illegal immigration questions last night, Think Progress reported this morning that the questions were from an avid anti-immigration outfit, but the moderator didn't disclose this fact.
I think it's absurd that we're dwindling down on these candidates so early. Why are we having so many debates so soon? It's ridiculous.
True, Governor Perry.
But, I'm still looking forward to the Rubio-Biden debate.
That's "must-see" TV.
"it's ridiculous".
And becoming more so each 'debate'.
At this rate, Obama will running unopposed.
Geez Rick spit it out, if you have a vision try so string a few sentences together and tell us about it. Maybe instead of a debate you can arm-wrestle or whatever they do in Texas to settle an argument. If that happens I think Michele Bachmann can take Ron Paul and Rick Santorum
What's "ridiculous" is President Obama's job approval numbers.
Gallup Daily Tracking:
40% approve; 52% disapprove.
40% approval?
Agreed, Rich.
Ridiculously high.
Anyway...
At this rate, the President ought to expect a primary challenge.
However...these ARE Democrats.
There once was an unskilled debater
Who's vision he stole from a tater
When questioned' why'?
He could only reply
That 'it's dark in the pit of a crater'.
Fiesty - Pure conjecture on your part about Perry and the death penalty and insofar as your opinion that Obama is moving our country forward, please read a poll occasionally.....any poll.....oh and just a reminder, there are 535 members of Congress, only a paltry 87 are Tea Party members and The DEMS lack of performance prior to 11/2/10 actually put them there.
"It's not who is the slickest candidate"
What's that, Slick Rick?
You realize that you're not in Texas anymore..........Slick just doesn't play well!
Holy hell Drive By - I'm getting mighty nervous.
Nearly 4:00 Eastern Standard Time. We'll get a "Week in Review" and that's likely it.
Now this here is a political site. We had a little congressional hearing TODAY about the Pres. approving $535 million to a company and when that company was called to testify as to where the money went it took the 5th.
Now it seems to me that the story might be something one would discuss on a political blog like this.
How about it Drive By - is it true? There really is just nothing to see here and we should just move on?
Huh, I don't suppose this issue, via another "green" company is going to be again before us, in I don't know about 2-3 weeks?
Fun times right Drive By?
Oh well there is always David Gregory. I think he might touch upon it.
Welcome back frosty, allwaysfaithfull, greedybizowner and the rest of your multiple personalities....
tick tock... tick tock... lol
Adios!
lol, Rich.
Unfortunately, I'm laughing at you as much as with you.
Best you can do, is it?
You'll do nicely here at First Read.
Not nearly enough limericks here.
Just what we all needed.
This is from 2 days ago
Despite recent sluggish poll numbers and a public not quite sold on the American Jobs Act, the very thing on which President Obama appears to be mortgaging his re-election, a new CNN/ORC International poll shows that more Americans trust him on economic matters than they do Republicans in Congress. And why shouldn’t they, since a majority of Americans aren’t whining about making 400k a year.
The survey released on Wednesday showed that although a lot of Americans are still unsure what’s in the president’s new jobs bill (Americans are still unsure if Miller lite is better tasting or less filling), they like most of the major proposals offered in the plan that was sent to Congress Monday.
Obama certainly has a lot of political hurdles to overcome should he wish to keep the oval office out of the reach of the eight sociopaths vying for his job, but that a majority of Americans haven’t drunk the mercury-laced kool-aid being disingenuously distributed by the tea party wing (the only wing) of the Republican party is a positive sign. It was just a little less than a month ago when this writer discovered a majority of Americans still blame Bush and the Republicans for the anemic economy.
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The TParty approval #'s are at an all time low, of which Romney is pandering to. Then if he gets the nomination he'll say he didn't mean to say what he said back when.
In other words, he'll flip flop. The story of his life.
But this thread isn't about approval numbers. It's about last night's debate.
Whatsamatter Feisty.....you can dish it out but you can't take it can you......and this only proves it......and you know it.........don't you........BTW....have you noticed that the activity on FIRST READ is shrinking by the day compared to several months ago.......figured out why yet?......
It's nice to see Fact Checking going on these days, unfortunatley no one can keep up with the rapid-fire lies from Teapublicans. Take the LIE about other countries and health care. No one demands facts, evidence, data for the claim that all these countries are failures. The fact is the US is ranking low on just about every indicator in comparison to these countries, and even third-world countries. Please, Lord, stop the lies!
Because Newsvine is actively busting nasty little tea bagger trolls who have been banned repeatedly & like a typical tea right wing nut don't think RULES apply to them?
Yeah - I've noticed... FR is a MUCH more pleasant place!
tick tock....
Pat,
I hope that you don't vote for John Kerry then. Because isn't he the one that stored his yacht in Rhode Island so that he wouldn't have to pay taxes on it. Isn't this the guy who left his first wife and married the Heinz fortune. It is so easy to cast rocks when you don't have to be accountable for your own actions.
Have you ever been to the border? Have you ever seen what goes on down there? Is it fair that Texans have to subsidize education for illegal immigration--NO! But that is the same thing that the Democrats want to do with the "Dream Act".
I don't have a problem closing the tax loopholes, but I have a problem raising taxes on people who already pay most of the bills, especially when 1/2 the people they support don't.
Please cast another stone.
Sadly Pat - it appears Reid is a little confused by Obama's jobs bill as well.
And so are - Landrieu, Nelson, Manchin, McCaskill....
Why is that Pat?
"How about it Drive By - is it true? There really is just nothing to see here and we should just move on?"
Not sure. See, the folks at MSNBC let me post on here, but they still don't let me control the editorial content.
Go figure.
LoL
What a way to admit you're losing the debates.
as if obama hasn't flip flopped recently.
His jobs bill payment plan of increasing taxes on only the wealthey and corporations + some loophole eliminations did little to instill confidence for business owners and investors that America was heading towards a recovery by which they could add jobs. When obama then insisted that any bills coming across his desk concerning the economy had to meet his personal criteria of tax increases in order to be signed he effectively showed us all that it was only his ideas that would be acceptable, no attempt at any compromise there.
Latter in the week the WH says, wait a minute we are still willing to compromise. lmao. seems that obama gave the house no choice but to do nothing and stand pat, now obama is willing to compromise. Wonder what obama has in mind?
Feisty - Good luck with that......and that is purely your opinion here and that opinion (and a buck fifty) will buy you a Whopper with cheese at Burger King and absolutely nothing more.................on the other hand....I have a real job that makes me richer every day and your guesses regarding same are once agqain completely ineffectual and pure conjecture. If President Obama had a "real job" before becoming the POTUS....we would not be in this mess and oh by the way......that's not just MY opinion either! However, America will solve Obama's problem on 11/6/12....bet on it!
Thanks for the 'tip' but I'm not a Burger King kind of girl!
Besides, according to the right wing nuts Burger King & McDonald's are now considered an extravagant night on the town didn't you hear?
Those wasteful poor folks not eating only the gubment cheese...
Enjoy it while you can... tick... tock...
Sorry I don't gamble either, however, I will bet on you being banned before the days over! ;o)
Like what? Maybe president of the Texas Rangers? Or how about president of a failed oil company? -- probably the only oil company in history EVER to fail?
Or maybe like his Pappy.
And while you're at it, please explain to me what Rick Perry's REAL job history consists of? Or Newt Gingrich? Or the Republican's last nominee, John McCain? Or his VP selection Sarah Palin? Or Michele Bachmann (besides lawyer for the IRS, where she was merely infiltrating to learn their secrets)? Or John Huntsman? Or that veto guy from New Mexico? Or Marco Rubio?
Get the drift yet?
A Perry/Rubio ticket, just as one example, has NO significant private sector business experience.
And your point?
Is the president selling his jobs bill today, I hope so because if he stays out in front and constantly keeps selling a plan all over the nation, he will be re-elected over Ron Paul.
IReckon, greedy or frosty--so a professor at a law school is not a real job along with a State Senator? Your argument is lame, weak, silly, petty and a lie.
IReckon2012
Is this you Miffedin12 aka yourfired12 aka GreedyBizOwner
aka electionday aka letsdance2012 aka frostyinalaska aka alwaysfaithful1 aka
alwaysfaithful ???
If it was a good plan, it would sell itself. Case closed.
Anna Molly,
I would think that John McCain's first job was defending this nation, as part of the military that allows you to retain your freedom of speech, let alone the fact that he was a prisoner of war. But he became a career politician after that, just as our present President is, I mean look at his careers.
Perry himself was an air force pilot, then worked on the family farm. But it seems to me that most of the GOP candidates have had real jobs, outside of the political realm also. But then again, most are career politicians. But isn't the longest serving member of congress a Democrat--I guess it is okay if they stay there so long if they are democrats--right.
Then again, what jobs have our current President held--I know of community organizer--I know he got a law degree--did you all ever work together on a case--or against each other. But he is a career politician, and worked his way up fast.
Do you get the drift--both sides are just as bad. But you folks on the left can't be open minded enough to figure that out.
Anna:
Arbusto eventually became Harken Energy to which is very profitable. Bush never lost a dime due to stock swaps etc. He eventually paid off that small ownership 5% in the Texas Rangers. This is a liberal myth that his hater's tried to tie to him.
Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA, not to mention his oil and gas background here in Texas before your time.
McCain retired from the U.S. military, Palin was not always a governor.......
Obama was a community organizer and then a politician........you call that a job?
In fairness...the only poll I've seen on the Brown v. Warren race is from PPP (the one quoted above), which bills itself as a Democratic polling firm. Way too early to know where that race is headed, but my guess is that it will be a close one.
You are right, ITM, Bush didn't lose a dime; but he did sell his options just prior to some pretty big announcements that resulted in some MAJOR losses. Even though his contract said he couldn't do that. And you know what, ITM? Not one single MINUTE of an investigation.
Some would call that 'insider trading'. But not those in the land of I Got Mine, F You! Those "Me Firsters" always manage to land on their feet.
I guess it's just WHO you know, not WHAT you know. As evidenced by the current band of idiots masquerading as Republican Presdidential Candidates.
Yup,...no harm no foul. Oh, wait, They can't even say THAT, truthfully.
Well, all of you conservatives who are OH so much smarter than I am have accomplished nothing as far as I can see except setting a baseline for future discussions.
You see, it turns out that, according to you, government jobs such as being head of the CIA and being a soldier ARE real jobs.
You're all too smug to see that this was my point exactly, and made by yourselves, extraordinarily well.
But that's not what IReckon2012 was talking about, is it? And you all know it.
And exactly how having been a pilot or getting shot down over Vietnam -- while certainly praiseworthy on certain levels -- qualify anyone to solve this country's economic problems -- more, say, than being an electrical engineer in the Navy like Jimmy Carter -- still beats me.
Maybe you could illuminate that one a little bit more for me ... Big Bear?
And while we're at it, tell me the "real" job experience that Ronald Reagan had before he became governor of California? Or Bob Dole's real job experience.
But on second thought, if you looked at ALL of the Republican presidential nominees over the past 30 years, of which they've held the White House for 19 years, I'd say that maybe IReckon2012 was right -- maybe it does explain why we're in so much trouble.
Grimey -
Point taken - as someone who's spent way too many years in the polling business myself, I know enough to take them all with a ton or two of salt. But considering that Warren only officially announced a week or two ago and the most recent poll I'd seen at that time had Brown well ahead, with 60% of the respondents not knowing enough about Warren to even have an opinion of her, I'd say it looks like she made up a lot of ground in record time. Either way, I think we both agree that Brown shouldn't be booking his re-election party just yet.
Have a great weekend!
BigBear, I feel like I haven't seen you in ages.
As far as John Kerry, I have gone after him more times than I can remember. We all have up here.
Now we have to get Senator Brown OUT, and Elizabeth Warren IN.
We the people.
Hey Anna Molly, did you hear that we're going to win the World Series?
No, I haven't heard that either. At least since July. LoL.
ITM: President Obama chose to be a community organizer. He excelled in school, and this is what he wanted to do.
So yes, I would call it a job. A valuable job actually.
Ooh...Perry/Trump running on a 3rd party ticket! Classic SNL.
So, um, Pat how do you know he excelled in school?
Have you found the missing/withheld transcripts?
Where are they. Can we all see them?
Pat if you have gone after Kerry, you must not be so good at it. Guess Brown is pretty safe then, eh?
President Obama was a civil rights attorney; professor @ University of Chicago - when he was younger worked in a ice cream palor in Hawaii. About community organizer - I was a community organizer back in the 60's in MA - that was the hardest, most miserable job I have ever held. Hardest - because you are trying to gain support (door to door) for programs that would help the community, working with businesses trying to gain their support, working with churches trying to gain their support. Miserable - because you see people living in decript housing, children left alone because both parents working, dealing with hopelessness, depression, lack of dignity.
Some of you people should try it sometime.
Spanky...
Of course he excelled in school.
The "smartest guy in the room" is always, every time, someone who excelled in school.
Liberals are always smarter than conservatives.
This is First Read, Spanky.
Get with the local orthodoxy and customs.
Hey Pat,
So is flipping burgers at Mickie D's, but that doesn't qualify him to president...
JK: But President Obama must be qualified to be President. After all, he is the president. Isn't he?
And I think he's awesome. He's an interesting individual. Unlike most politicians. I love listening to him.
Abraham Lincoln worked on railroad tracks. Geo. Washington cut down cherry trees. Thos. Jefferson owned slaves. So did many others right up to the Civil War.
Harry Truman worked in a haberdashy (sp?) and who I believe never attended college. LBJ was a school teacher.
It takes all kinds of backgrounds to be a president. All kinds of experiences.
And remember, Pat:
Robert E. Lee graduated 2nd in his class at West Point; Ulysses S.Grant didn't do nearly as well at the academy, but...
Well...
You know, Pat.
President Obama has a record this time.
This isn't 2008...we know now what an Obama Presidency actually looks and feels like.
He's been the steward of the economy for more than two and a half years, and most voters don't give a rat's behind about who the "smartest guy in the room" is.
They like and respect President Obama...
But, they're not crazy...or, stupid.
Romney/Rubio 2012.
Mixed Bag, the Bush Administration drove the economy into the ditch. And they were given two terms to do it.
However, they did it. These things take time. Lots of team work. Lots of hard work.
It's not easy driving an economy into the ground.
It's even harder to get it back up and running.
It generally takes two parties to do it. It generally takes an entire Congress to work with the economists. One party however is MIA. They always are when the going gets tough.
The Republican Party. They know how to spend. They know how to put things on credit.
They just don't know what to do when reality finally comes around.
Perry was a '"c" student or worse. President "W" got gentleman "C"'s...
What were President Obama's grades? I can't find them...But they were probably like all "A"'s right?
MB-
Supporting an "imaginary" ticket, and so soon? There's still a long way to go.
Please don't create a make believe clubhouse next, for both our sakes...
Obama graduated Harvard with honors.
As in, top 2%.
'Make believe' wasn't in the curriculum.
Richard - these conspiracy theorists have graduated from his birth certificate to his transcripts...
Nothing and I mean NOTHING is going to satisfy their hatred...
Then again, consider the source.... lol
Hey DF - did you knock anyone who disagress with you teeth out today?
"He's been the steward of the economy for more than two and a half years, and most voters don't give a rat's behind about who the "smartest guy in the room" is."
The smartest guy in the room knows that this economic (gotta hand it to W) downturn requires an average 5 1/2 year recovery.
Throw in the the obstruction, then you have one man working overtime, for the good of all.
Obama 2012!!
Hillary 2016!!
Ricard - fantastic - you got the transcripts?
Where were they?
And 5 1/2 years? Since when? Did you already forget about recovery summer 2009? I sure didn't. :)
Mixed - I know it's First Read, isn't it fantastic?
You know I hear at prestigious schools lie Stanford the lowest grade you can get is a B. Could you just imagine that?
There is an article that was just posted over @ The Obama Diary which states the President's Stimulus Prevented or Ended Homelessness for 1,000,000 people.
“At a time when so many families were at the brink of homelessness due to the economic crisis, HPRP was able to step in and provide the assistance needed to keep families safe and off the streets,” said Secretary Donovan. “I am proud to announce this historic milestone and to continue to work on strategies with my partners within the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness to end homelessness for all Americans.”
Also, last year 19 federal agencies in the Obama Administration announced a plan to end all homelessness through,Opening Doors, an unprecedented federal strategy to end veteran and chronic homelessness by 2015, and to end homelessness among children, families, and youth by 2020. In addition to the HPRP grant program, last month HUD announced that it would award $1.63 billion to support nearly 7,000 existing homeless assistance programs currently operating and create additional new homeless assistance programs with the Continuum of Care (CoC) Homeless Assistance Program Notice of Funding Availability for fiscal year 2011, which is making a major contribution to the Opening
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Unfortunately, these things take time to come to fruition and President Obama was only given two years before the media and millions of others gave up on him.
It's tragic really, especially those on the left who want to primary him. I am enormously proud of our president.
How's the slideshow and the wine and snacks going, Spanks?
At least it's going.
lol-
Ya caught me, dangerfield...
It's mostly to annoy the "Obama/Biden 2012" bloggers.
Seems to be working, too! (surprised to see YOU in the net!)
Plus, I'm really longing for a Rubio-Biden debate match-up.
Besides...YOUR guitar has a politically incorrect fingerboard!
You cannot deny it.
If guilt gnaws at any lingering lefty pretensions...
Want to sell it?
I prefer that to prying it from your cold, dead hands.
;-)
Good news for gold investors:
"While gold has been flying high as a safe-haven investment, investors lately have been turning to more conventional safe havens including the U.S. dollar and Treasury securities."
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/23/7925954-gold-plunges-below-1700-in-record-drop
Time to get your grill off, eh?
It's only 6:00, the party doesn't start for a little while.
Of course I started a while ago.
I'll say it one last time - if you any money in the stock market, including 401k, get out now.
You can convert 401k into other non stock investments.
Do it. It's going to get really bad very soon.
This has bipartisan support - me and Ana Molly.
Anna Molly approves this message. ;-)
Don't feel too bad. Us, too, neither, I'm afraid. :-(
Spanky if Obama is in the same room with the current republican primary candidates, he is most definitely the smartest guy in that room and you certainly do not need to see transcripts to recognize that fact.
I feel Obama has done a very good job as president, considering the clowns in congress he has to work with. He speaks well and he stands with average American. He wants a better America for all Americans not just the rich and powerful like Perry. Perry brags how he created jobs in Texas but most of those jobs are minium wage not good paying jobs. Perry talks about how he stands for a better public education, but then he cuts education funding for his own State. Texas is ranked 47th in public education. Perry and the republicans wants the public stupid so they can be happy fliping burgers making 7.50 a hour. Perry is joke almost as bad as Bachman and Palin. I'm embrassed and insulted that men and woman of the caliber like Perry and Bachman and Palin even run for public office. They must really beleive the American people are really that stupid or just brain dead. Thats why they always start their speaches with telling us what the American people want. It's like we don't know what we want.
"It's not who is the slickest candidate or the smoothest debater that we need to elect. We need to elect the candidate with the best record and the best vision for this country."
Obama is living proof of the accuracy of that statement.
Ah, yes - I remember it well....."The Vision Thing".....
From wiki:
"Vision thing" (sometimes "the vision thing" or "that vision thing") is a notable sound bite and catch phrase from George H. W. Bush during his presidency. It was purportedly the former President's response to the suggestion that he turn his attention away from short-term campaign objectives and focus on the larger picture, to which he quipped, "oh, the vision thing." The oft-cited quote became a shorthand for the charge that Bush failed to frame his positions on individual issues in a compelling and unified manner." (emphasis mine)
Guess it must be a Texas thing..... :)
Yeah, Buah 41's vision thing. Just another example of a press so besotted by a candidate, (in that case, Ross Perot), that they miss the REAL issues.
Take an eery coincidence- during 41's presidency, the Palestinians informed the White House that they planned to petition the UN for recognition as a state.
Bush very calmly I formed them that, should they do so, he would shut their office of representation, cut off the aid we sent them, and, for good measure, he informed the UN that, should they entertain such a gambit, we would be cutting off our co tribulations to the UN.
The issue died an ignominious death.
Crisis averted.
Think anybody will be criticizing Obama for his focus on short term, campaign driven events? I don't- despite the fact that is all he does.
Oh well. There are going to be a lot of highly disappointed people in a few months.
I wonder how you will all survive?
no jo - I think obamas job plan is more about scamming the populace into voting for him in 2012. Surprised aren't you?
The 2009 stimulas showed a nice bump up in GDP going forward from the 4th qtr and going forward into 2010 and then promptly met with a decline and bottomming out by the end of the 1st half of 2010 wherapon the FED's QE2 again bumped up GDP for the rest of the year and into 2011.
I am sure that he hopes that a similar GDP bump up prior to the 2012 elections is his hope that his vision for jobs is a success and warrents re-election. The fly in the ointment will be persistantly high unemployment and the very real possability of europe being in a recesion and taking us with them.
To bad obama and company couldn't maintain focus on the economy after the 2009 stimulas was passed. Obama and company will appear like a deer caught in the headlights if our economy tanks again.
Yes it is too bad that Dems enjoyed a filibuster-proof majority for only nine months. After that it was gridlock and the second round of stimulus or passage of jobs bills or any other solution was impossible. Then following the 2010 election and loss of the House, not just to Republicans but uncompromising Teapublicans, there has been nothing but obstructionism, threat downs, and outright hostage taking. We see the uncompromising Tea Party Raucous are back at it again with another government shutdown stunt. Throw these Teapublican anarchists out!
let me fix your post, Feisty
"I'll stick with President Obama's vision of moving this country..into bankruptcy, and destruction of the private sector economy..along with massive unemployment!"
What was unemployment again, in January of 2009, Bob?
Private sector economy? What was the Dow in January of 2009, Bob?
Which month/year did the US file bankruptycy, Bob?
Bob- y' full of it, bro. Can you fix that??
Drive by,
the unemployment rate in Jan 2009 was far lower than it is now, ...the economy has suffered tremendously from the massive failure of Obama policies.
Blame Bush doesnt cut it any more!
C'mon Bob, surely you can give Obama a piece of the same break you're giving Bush. Naw, you won't do that.
So Bob, if a conservative takes the oath on Jan 20, 2013, will they own the economy?
I didn't ask you for generalizatons, reader-rabbit. I asked you for numbers. And if Bush created it, why the hell CAN'T we say so? Juat because it maybe makes Omama look less bad, doesn't mean it automaticall gets to go away.
Oh, and Bob- I missed you numbers on the Dow that I asked you about, too.
Kingof-
Whoever makes it in 2012, and it's NOT Obama- here's what they MUST be able to do:
Get unemployment under 8%, and cut 4 TRILLION from the deficit. They have to do it in 2.5 years.
Unreasonable? I don't know- that's what everyone expects of Obama.
Why shucks Drive By:
1. Obama passed the stimulus and it cure all that - he said so himself. It was to keep unemployment under 8%.
Surely you are not saying Obama wasted $1trillion dollars?
2. Obama/Biiden and many other all assured us that summer 2009 was "recovery Summer."
Surely you are not saying that the recession did not end in summer '09?
3. Obama has pivoted to jobs, like 30 times so he's taken care of that, right DBO?
4. Obama demanded that his jobs bill be passed immediately. Surely the democratically controlled Senate has taken care of at least their end, right Drive By?
Let me bottom line this for you amigo - we only expect from him what he said he'd do. He said he create jobs, lower unemployment and make things better.
He has done none of those things. His reward is a nice and richly earned vacay come 1/12.
Neat list, Spanks. But- how does it ansewer the original assumption: that someone WILL be able to do what they expect Obama to do? (and, who would that likely be?)
It looks like a bunch of questions instead.
" we only expect from him what he said he'd do."
So, then, you don't expect anyone ELSE to be able to do it either. Sounds like a good campaign slogan- why'ncha see if you can sell it to the RNC?
(BTW, Sparkie- Didn't know your name was Bob, but as long as you decided to jump in- what WAS that Dow figure, and how much worse is it now, than when Obama took office, as Bob seems to feel it is?)
drive by - if obama is removed from office in 2012 why would his replacement (L or R) only have 2.5 years to do better? Obama will have had 4 years to show a modicom of success, why not his successor?
Obviously you think that 2.5 years had to be adjusted down from 4 to account for the jr senator from illinois "on the job training as potus", right?
"why would his replacement (L or R) only have 2.5 years to do better?"
Because- that's all he's had so far, and everyone is yelling about how he's destroyed the country, etc...
I don't think you are this obtuse Drive By - Obama has spent directly over $1 Trillion to fix the economy. He now wants 1/2 a trillion more. $5 trillion more debt, in just 3 years.
For what?
Plus I think we know now - the market is about to totally tank. It's going to be really really ugly shortly. Greece, Italy, and more will default.
Yes. And then we'll judge them on what they do with it. One thing we'll probably not hear.....Obama did it.
Waayyulll, y' see- Ah maht be an idiat, but ahm a good idiat. Hayell, who cares if'n y' cain't communicate in a jahb lahk Presidint.
WTF?
Have you been hitting the brews early today? lol
That's almost as incoherent as poor booby's above you! ;o)
Feisty, I put it through the palin'ease' word salad combiner and it appears LEGIT:
"Well, you see, I might be an idiot; but I'm a good idiot. Hell, who cares if you can't communicate in a job like President."
See there, the tongue WITH the cheek. It's actually quite funny. Good one, Buzz!
See, Red- here's why you had a hard time with it: You can't see me on a text post say something stupid, then look directly at the camera and smirk as if to say "ain't I just the cutest??"
Clara- nice to see you speak
"here I sit, buns a flexin'
Trying to make
Another Texan" brand jive.
Thanks Clara - I knew that was a good investment & would come in handy one day!
@Buzz - I was just messing with you - thought maybe the large mouth asses absence drove you to drink! ;o)
I know how 'hot' you are for the Smiff!
Just for grins I wonder if any of you would advise us how often you make public speaking appearances?
See I do it all the time. Sometimes I'm "on" and thing are great, sometimes not.
Funny thing is Ms. Spanky had to talk in front of about 300 people last night. She was pretty freaked out all day. She did pretty good, not her best, but good enough.
Speaking, and particularly debating/arguing on you feet, under pressure, while being watch and analyzed is difficult.
Just ask Obama. He tends to get in trouble when he goes off topic/off prepared remarks.
But I'm with Mixed - the Rubio Biden debate will be fantastic.
So Feisty DBO Clara Bell? Tons of public speaking events?
Spankster was that event your wife spoke at a compensated event? Betcha ya'll get all kinds of deductions for that?
Oh, and dontcha know that this pres functions best when he is surrounded by republicans especially in a question and answer format. Ever wonder why they don't invite him anymore?
Ah Torpedo, so much for the relax and enjoy, eh?
As a matter of fact it was a charitable event to benefit the victims of domestic violence. Ms. Spanky donates a significant amount of time and money to this particular charity.
So what were you saying again?
And what is the fascination you seem to have with my tax compliance efforts?
Torpedo - I highly recommend that you get yourself a chill pill.
Or how about this - you have yourself a great weekend.
I'm off to Trader Joes to get a butt load of wine and appetizers for a little vacation picture party we are having tonight. I got to hurry up and get home to hide all the, um, inappropriate ones.
Joe's now carries Trader Joe's "select" wines which is far more classy than Two Buck Chuck. And it's not half bad. And if I'm anything, I'm classy.
"So Feisty DBO Clara Bell? Tons of public speaking events?"
Irrelevant your honor. I mean, how is this relevant to anything? Are Feisty, Clara (bell??) or I running for public office?
But I am currious- Does your wife like to get in front of people as much as you seem to, and holler "HEY, everybody- Look at ME"?
" Sometimes I'm "on" and thing are great, sometimes not."
Sorry, 'counselor', but I had to come back and ask: " but WHAT, exactrly, are you on, 'sometimes'?
Really Drive By - you don't understand.
How about this, as I think you will understand a sports analogy - "in the zone."
Sometimes I hit every jump shot I take. Some days I miss every one.
It's ok Drive I get it - you are not a public speaker, and god knows you debate skills are passable at best.
As for Ms. Spanky she's the silent killer type, not a loud mouth clown like me. The Ying to my Yang, the butter to my toast.
"As conservatives, we know that values and vision matter," Perry told the crowd at the CPAC meeting in Florida. "It's not who is the slickest candidate or the smoothest debater that we need to elect. We need to elect the candidate with the best record and the best vision for this country."
Mr Perry, as a conservative who wants to support you, please work harder at prepping for debates.
The record and the vision are most important, but you need to be able to clearly communicate and share your record and your vision. Debating skills do matter !
But Bob, "yee haw" worked so well for the last Texan elected to the WH.
Bollocks!!!
Having a vision is one thing but if you can't put together multiple complete sentences to present and defend that vision then nobody's going to buy it.
Your in for a rude awakening on 11/6/12.............and weorse than 11/2/10!
Yeah! What we need is somebody who gives a good speech! Who, when asked a specific question, talks for ten minutes, wandering all over in mellifluous tones, until even the questioner forgets what was asked! That's what we want!
Who cares if unemployment went from 7.6% to 9.1%, not counting the people who are no longer in the labor force! Good riddance to them! If they were counted, unemployment would be 13%! We don't need that!
Who cares if the 'recovery' is marked by flat GDP-which is probably negative! Good speeches- we need good speeches!
So what if the Middle East is going to hell in a hand basket! Who cares if he mishandled the Palestinians! Did you hear the speech he gave? It was a beauty!
Five trillion in debt? He can talk it down! Yes he can! Hope for Change!
I gotta tell you, noid- a whole lot of us are hoping for change-in 2013, if not sooner.
Special prosecutor. Now.
"Special prosecutor. Now."
Hoo Boy- maybe at the same we can get one to take care of those nasty kids on 'libs-r-us', that made fun of me or my family one time!
Hey Red- know anybodys kid that might make a good 'Special Prosecutor"?
I know a certain NJ nut jobs son who barely squeaked through law school and had to take the bar 3 times...
He's special alright! lol
NOJO still has total power over Feisty.
Very impressive Nojo. Very pathetic Feisty.
Nojo yells and Feisty jumps - every. Single. Time.
Feisty,
Wow, you cant stand it when someone takes your spotlight away. Its so obvious, and that's why you detest nojo.
While she shines, the best you can do, is to stand in her shadow.
Pathetic.
Debating and communicating are skill sets that are vital for the job he seeks. I don't believe the man is intelligent enough to be in the White House.
Neither do I, Paul, but hey- they elected Bush.
Twice.
(sort of)
I think if you voted for Bush the second time, you should lose your voting rights forever. Everyone gets one pass, but two is one too many.
The same can be said then in the next election, anyone that votes for Obama again should also lose their voting rights.
The 2000 election was the most controversial in our history. The 2006 election was no landslide either, but Bush was given a benefit of the doubt due to 9-11 and ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq--that's the only reason why. President Obama won by a landslide in 2008. Are you starting to see a difference?
Correction -- the 2004 election. My bad. Thanks to those who understood that's what I meant to type.
Not real big on history, are you?
Ever remember being taught about the election of 1824? The one called the "corrupt bargain"? Four candidates- no mAjority of electors? Election decoded by House of Representatives, who chose John Quincy Adams, rather than Andrew Jackson, despite Jackson's having the plurality of electors? No bells going off?
Bush won Florida- as was proven by various newspapers doing their own counts- and would have won by a bigger margin had not CBS called the election there BEFORE the polls in the Panhandle were closed. Florida has two time zones- and a lot of people went home without voting when the election was called. That, by the way, was not "historic"- the media called the national election for Reagan over Carter before the polls on the West coast were closed. There was, however, some sort of agreement reached after that which should have precluded any announcement until ALL the polls in the state were closed- CBS ignored that, and announced anyway.
2000 might have been the most controversial in your lifetime- but it's a sad state of affairs for education in this country that you think it's most most controversial in the nation's history.
You digest that history lesson? Good. On to the next one.
The second contender for the title "most contentious election in the nation's history" is the election of 1876- the nation's centennial. Fought between Tilden and Hayes, Tilden won the popular vote- but Hayes was given the election when Congress awarded him 20- that is, twenty- disputed electoral votes.
In contrast with these two elections, Bush v Gore was a run of the mill election. There were no disputed electoral votes, it was not decided by congress, and the Supreme Court results were NOT what is commonly touted.
Five justices voted to end the counting because the Florida Supreme Court disregarded their direction in their earlier decision. Two justices voted to amend and return- that is, to further advise the Florida Supreme Court to follow their earlier directive. Three voted to let the State continue counting, willy nilly, with different standards in different districts.
In the end, it did not matter. Even using the "pregnant Chad" method, all newspapers involved in recounting the results found the same thing- Bush won Florida.
Get over it.
The most controversial election in modern history and memory of those currently living -- 'K'? It's not a history issue, rather semantics, which you right-wingers like to do to appear knowledgeable.
My favorite is correcting the term of "democracy" with "republic" as if representation through elected officials versus a direct vote isn't still DEMOCRACY. Everyone understands the point being made, and those who try to score points on petty semantics only waste BTUs.
And really isn't that what the Teapublicans in congress all the way down are all about? Hoping to suck the oxygen out of the air until 2012?
Ignorance is not ignorance, it's semantics?
There is a very great difference between "democracy" and "republic", which you would know if you bothered to do any reading and research.
I don't speak for all conservatives, but, I must say, I recognize the problems we have today because we were told that pointing out that Obama got a lot wrong when he gave speeches was "racist". Or, "hAteful".
Well, ignorance is a dangerous thing, and it is not a matter of semantics. We, in this country, did NOT build an Intercontinental railroad. We built a Transcontinental railroad, it is is ridiculous that we have a president who misidentifies it- with no reaction at all from the media.
You're happy being ignorant? Well, good for you. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.
You mean like a fiscal vision or their version of a moral vision? Just what do they mean?
I think it's COLON vision and what they appear to mean is that they don't need no stinking educated candidate. This bible thumper is ALL right by them.
So Clara, what is wrong with reading the bible. I thought this nation was based on religious freedoms, but I guess that is only for those who don't believe in religion that they have rights, not those who do. It would be nice for people to be more tolerant, but I guess asking those on the far left to be tolerant is like asking an eskimo if they need to purchase ice:)
BigBear
Once again, a right-winger plays the victim card. Who said you couldn't read your bible? Who said you couldn't go to church 24/7 if you want? Who said you have to like gays?
Clara's right. We elect our officials to do their jobs- not play preacher and not to beat us down with their idea of religious piety. This is not a theocracy.
Stop whining. Christians aren't an oppressed minority and nobody made the bible illegal.
Grow a pair already.
Clara how disrespectful would you think if someone called a Rabbi a Torah thumper. I thought you were more evolved than that to bash Christians.
In fact, liberals arethe first to protect freedom of religion, and all other freedoms. The far-right coporatist fascists are who you should fear. When conservatives attack Muslims, or attack women's rights, or attack the right of labor to organize, and on and on, how long do you suppose it will be until someone is kicking down your door in the middle of the night?
TP I don't think calling Christians bible thumpers and some of the other derogatory terms I have seen on here is protecting their freedom of religion so spare me.
I have the utmost respect for REAL Christians. My argument is that Rick Perry isn't one of them.
I mean really? He abdicated his responsibilities to handle the drought in Texas to G-d? Who does that?
sean - what part of claras remark on "bible thumper" didn't you understand? Surely you are not suggesting that politicians can't have some personal time off for religious study do you? Or even speak about their beliefs and what created them? I would agree that general public political oriented speeches should show restraint, after all there is a lot of religious beliefs out there and one shoe won't fit everyone.
True - you have some shlt dribbling down your chin. Either lick it off or get a tissue and wipe. Nice try at showing us you have intelligence though. Bet your HS buds are real prod. lmao!
ksw -- Clara KCMO, I and others, are happy to talk about true Christianity and concern for the poor, the elderly, taking care of our planet, etc. President Carter taught Sunday School during his presidency, but made a concerted effort not to cross the line of Separation of Church and State. Perry preaching a sermon at a Prayer Meeting is crossing the line, Dubya and the Dept. of Justice and the Goodling scandal is crossing the line.
"Please don't judge me by the way I speak or sound or what I say." Why Governor Perry? Because it worked out so good for us last time we trusted a Forrest Gump type Governor from Texas? No thanks!
Forrest Gump may not have been a smart man, but he knew what love is -- Way more intelligent and much more integrity than Perry.
I'm bored.
First Read has turned into the Republican channel. All Republican News All the Time!
Amy, I've noticed that as well. President Obama doesn't exist much here @ First Read any longer. Perhaps it's because he doesn't have anyone running against him. But he's still the President and does make appearances, does make statements, does make speeches.
Not sure what's going on. But I have seen a big change of late as well.
Are ya payin attention Feisty? We both know that you are.....don't we......and so are the powers to be at FIRST READ.....and I am sure they are evaluating the reasons for FIRST READ's decline here as well......and also those individuals who are contributing to it.......
Interesting how the right-wing posters are even less interested in Republican News. They only come into threads about the president to gnash and bash.
First Read resides in Obamaville. It has become a dismal place in America. All they can do at this point is play their role in demonizing the Republican field and deflecting anything negative about Obama.Which is substantial. Here's an example of the latest.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMAS_JOBS_SHORTFALL_1ST_LD_WRITETHRU?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-24-04-37-39
And there's "Fast and Furious", "Solyndra", and revelations of "pass and see". Oh boy!
Conservatives have always complained about the so-called "liberal media." FAUX Noise claimed to be the answer. But we all know it was never "fair and balanced" and we all know that's not what conservatives want. Conservatives want State News. If only they would have just moved to other countries where they could enjoy State News, check your papers please, symbolism like Dubya on Mount Rushmore and his photo and statues everywhere, and all the other fascist crap they so crave.
Progressives come here to MSN instead of The Blaze to be sure, but MSN is NOT Rush Limbaugh, et al, and "my way or the highway" bias, omission, and outright lies spewed by the right-wing. If you feel FR is "Obamaville" then why do you come here and plague other readers with your complaints, nontroversies, and hypocritical hyperbole? Oh, that's right, that's why you come here, to be a plague.
I fear the Perry is the anti-Christ.
Well, he's definitely anti 'christ-like' behavior.
Has anyone seen Perry's birth certificate? How do we know he grew up on a farm in Texas?
I want to see Romney's birth certificate. No, I INSIST on seeing Romney's birth certificate, the long form. After all, his father was born in Mexico where his grandfather moved to avoid laws against having several wives.
Excellent point Amy and Jody. I think next debate they should all bring their birth certificates!
Along with their birthday suits.
Any of you know anything at all about history? Above, TP is calling the election of 2000 the moat co traversal in the nation's history- it moat certainly was not, as that "honor" goes to the election of 1824.
You are all on the birth certificate, as if that were the first such controversy in the history of the nation.
It was not-the first president to be challenged on the basis of his country of birth was Chester A. Arthur- who was, in all likelihood, born in Canada. He, actually, had his birth certificate CHANGED by one year- to indicate that he had been born in the US.
You guys really need to do a little historical research- you obviously did not learn much in school.
Any of you know anything about NJBJ? I answered her post above. She's behaving like a sixth grader who's telling the rest of us to go back to school.
Other then her claiming she had a PHD in economics AND a full time serial liar..?
Meh!
Well gov perry has it right on the vision and record thing being more important than debating skills.
Rhetoric has its place as well though when selling the vision.
Looking at consistantly high poll numbers where respondents say that America is going in the wrong direction. Looks like obama and congress can't offer any hope to the populace either. Even the markets have weighed in on europes and Americas fiscal and monetary policies.
Except for one thing, those same polls show the voters blame Congress more than the blame President Obama; the polls also show the trust President Obama more on economic issues than they do republicans.
Jody - small comfort really, as the question doesn't relate to party or personality. The public still expects the potus to lead and get congress moving in the right direction and congress to work towards the common good despite differences. If a potus can't get congress to function what good is he and if congress can't work together what good are they?
Hmmmm, trust obama on economic issues??? Really? Hard to imagine that he still has his original economic advisors still all on board. First half GDP at about 1%, unemployment holding steady at about 9.1% and no job growth in august. Yep his economic policies are working just fine. To bad reid keeps all the houses economic policies tabled in the senate and away from debate.
But thanks for your input, it never hurts to read others viewpoints.
Jody, agreed. And Perry don't need no stinkin' debate skills -- he confuses this with smooth talkin', which IS slick, Rick. And when Perry is in the South he lays on the Aw Shucks Southern drawl so thick it makes Palin's fancy pageant walkin' look amateur.
Does a CEO need presentation skills? Does the leader of the Free World need to represent our country well? Does the POTUS need a vision for real change--change from the old, failed GOP/TP policies of the last decade that has run our nation into the ground? Uh, yes, a resounding YES! we don't need a sequel to the Dubya embarrassments and incompetence. Thanks, but no thanks.
I find it almost amusing that Perry stands up for veterans today but wouldn't stand up for a gay soldier last night as he was booed by the far right. He is as slimy as they come and Americans will not buy into the Perry idiotcy any more than they will Bachmann. The far right doesn't have any real candidates - just pathetic jokes.
More than either the debate points about the comatose un-insured person or the Texas wins the death row contest I was ashamed to be an American when the crowd booed the soldier that came out to his father while serving our country with honor and valor.
What have we become??
I asked the same EXACT question. What on Earth has become of this country. No tollerence. No compassion. No common good will. No compromise. Everything that made America great... is in shambles. Seemed to have started about 10 years ago....
I guess 'god' didn't answer his prayers for a good performance. Looks like Ricky is 0 for 3 now.
Defining a conversation (DEBATE) between conservatives: Is like watching mentally challenged individuals talking to their own reflections in a mirror and their attempts to convince the reflected images that their reality isn’t as stupid as they are!
I am enjoying the various pissing contests taking place on this thread. Very entertaining, indeed. OBAMA 2012! :)
I am sure you will find next octobers 2012 FR presentations even more entertaining, bring a date.
Nice to see you Barry Oduma lovers posting about how successful he's been in running the country into the ground. Just say no to Socialism!!
We already elected the best teleprompter reader, evangelist, actor in the world and look how he's running the country into the ground. Say no to Socialism!!!!
Wow, evangelist, actor -- is that a morphed Dubya-Reagan generic candidate?
I'd rather be a Socialist than a Tea Party member!
vision? perry needs lasik.
record? which side rick? the one you play now as a tea party radical or the side you used to play some years ago.
i will give him props for his education answer last night. it does show that he, unlike the others, does have some limited vision.
Voters shrug off Perry becoming President.
"It's not who is the slickest candidate or the smoothest debater that we need to elect. We need to elect the candidate with the best record and the best vision for this country." Rick Perry
This notion still leaves Perry on the outside looking in 01/20/13.
How many goddamn debates do these clowns need? All they are doingis trying to stay in the public eye. What a bunch of hypocritical, lying losers! Sadly,the longer they keepup this clown show,the more likely it is that Palin will be able toswoop in and take the nomination after these idiots have gored each other to death. Just another demonstration that the GOP is out of ideas...and decent candidates.
I say let them talk. It gives moderates and independents a better shot at seeing who definitely should not get their vote. And Bachmann is usually good for a laugh.
Why worry, plenty of other things to do. Just wait for the campaign ads to really kick in next october, I might hve to watch only non commercial broadcasts. Left vs right! or mad magazines spy vs spy.
So Rick Perry created 1000s of jobs for people who just showed up from south of the border.Seams he should be running for president of Mexico.got a feeling he knows more about them then he does about us.
"Perry: Vision, record matter more than debating skills" - Let's examine the record shall we. We will break it down by numbers. Texas $27B in debt, $107M borrowed from the Feds. $17B taken from Stimulus. Texas has great vacation option for its governor and their spouse - $294,000 in security detail expenses for out-of-state trips by Gov. Rick Perry or his wife (which he said he has no intention of paying the people of the state of Texas back). Health care near to last. Education near to last. How an Perry fix the debt of American if he cannot fix his own states debt. How can he improve health care and education if Texas is near t last. How can he stop the government from borrowing if he had to borrow from the same Federal government he wants to stop borrowing money. He is the longest serving governor in Texas and he couldn't lower any of those numbers besides health care and education. Mr. Perry should fix his own state before he tries fixing America.