Can someone get me an interpreter...I can't understand Spanky's incoherent ramblings here.

Noid- I speak 'Spanky'.

He said "Hey, I posted first- ain't that neat? Now, maybe some of the other posters will make fun of me because I 'sit around all day 'and post on here".

Alexander is right, Perry is just piling on. No one is paying attention to what Obama says anyway. Just let it go Rick.

Spanky-

Watch out!

You're becoming the off topic queen of the right...(Dead beat dad anyone?)

Oh and "pins and needles (needles and pins, it's a happy man who GRINS!) aside, you do realize that SENATOR Alexander is a far more experienced national politician than Gov. Perry, so you think maybe he knows something more than a guy with about three week's experience in the area?

Time will tell, no?

Oh no Drive By - others are making fun of me? How utterly terrible and horrible.

Noid - It looks like Mixed Bag and I are not too enamouredwith the choice of topics the great reporters are choosing today. Although I suspect we are of a like mind as to why they are choosing to talk about Ron Paul and Lamar, given what else is out there.

So Noid and DBO - you all up for QE3? How about the Solyndra executives saying just last week they be happy to come testify but now say they will invoke the 5th?

So what criminal activity did they engage in that causes them to think there is a problem? Obama said earlier that there was nothing to see re: Solyndra, so all is good, right?

Oh and DBO - it is neat, right? And just like a libbie - always concerned what I do with MY time. DBO, we know you are not the boss, so perhaps if you were to work a little more, and worry about me a little less, you could rise up that corporate ladder?

Or not - it's YOUR choice after all. :)

It's cool danger - I got DBO to keep me in line. He is the unofficial monitor of all things relevant, at least as they come from the right.

As for Lamar - he's not running and tons of people have more experience in a variety of areas than Perry or Obama. So?

It all goes back to who is, and who is not the apple sauce.

df: Alexander is a far more experienced national politician than Gov. Perry,

Alexander is part of "Old Washington", you know, he believes in the right and proper way of doing things. Marcus of Queensbury rules and all, along with borrowing trillions of dollars to buy votes rather than telling some people "No, we just can't afford it". As stated, the "Right and proper way of doing things".

df: so you think maybe he [Alexander] knows something more than a guy with about three week's experience in the area?

So now we're back to talking about Obama.

Noid - It looks like Mixed Bag and I are not too enamouredwith the choice of topics the great reporters are choosing today. Although I suspect we are of a like mind as to why they are choosing to talk about Ron Paul and Lamar, given what else is out there.

Maybe you could start your own blog. Maybe you can go join the fun over the "Fair and Balanced" folks.

Just a suggestion.

"....always concerned what I do with MY time"

Sayyyyy.... is it just me, or does this have a familliar ring to it somehow?

Geez,yes- Keep 'em coming, 'counselor'.

I most certainly will Drive By, I most certainly will.

ANd come on Noid, now why would I want to go and leave now? The good stuff is just beginning.

I figure you all on team Blues will most certainly be crying out against Obama and his obvious crony capitalism. Especially since he can't even seem to get it right, but has gone into criminal activity.

Or do you think those Solyndra executives have just developed a bad case of stage fright?

Golly and it seems like just yesterday the old gal was bashing Cantor for some random investment, whereas in the case of Lightsquared Obama was a direct investor.

I'm sure she'll be along any time to denouce Obama as she denounced Cantor. You libbies treat everyone the same, right?

How about discussing this article? Of course Perry erred, he's an idiot. Maybe if more Republicans like Alexander would break from the Borg, we could have more intellectual honesty from the right-wing.

I wish FR would impose a limit on swoop and poop posts per minute. Like I've said, certain individuals confuse quantity with quality.

Is this the opportunity- of- the -day to post off-topic?

I went to a book signing by our favorite ex-governor Angus King (Independent), the other night, who took his family on a 15 month RV trip the day after leaving office. His book is a photo albumn basically of their adventures. Really sweet.

Gov. King says he has never seen such a dysfunctional Congress and he ascribes it to the mountains of money in politics these days. He told a questioner in the audience something like "It's hard to believe donors are giving that much money without the expectation of something in return."

I'm guessing there is a lot of hand wringin' and teeth gnashin' over Solyndra at the White House right about now.

My prediction is that Obama will throw CoS Daley under the bus on this one. Daley can blame Rahm Emanuel and then some low level deputy will take one "Officially" for the team.

Obama comes out seemingly unscathed, right up until the Election Ads start.

Aww, look, TruePatriot doesn't like what I have chosen to discuss.

His answer of course - prevent "certain" people from posting.

Team Blue - so consistently inconsistent with their own principles.

Amy - that kind of off topic post is not wanted here, by some.

I wonder though - who will get to make the call as to what is and is not related? Silly me, but I think almost everything is in some way related to politics, the candidates and the process.

But I'm sure TruePatriot can provide some guidelines, that would of course be applied to all, equally.

Like back on First Thoughts. So that was about JoE Walsh, right?

Oh wait, MAYBE when dangerfield called me the "off topic queen of the right" she was implying that there must be a queen of the left, and mayhaps even of the center?

What do you thind TrueP? Not really about either quality or quanity now is it?

No here.

Spanky, if Obama strangled a puppy on national television, First Read would run a story about what Sarah Palin ate for lunch.

Somehow, however, they call themselves "professional journalists". They also refer to this as the place for politics- yet, somehow, in the or "professional" opinions, anything that detracts from their hero's perfection does not find a "place".

Therefore- Solyndra executives taking the Fifth? Nope. They could not even find space in their Paul story for the really important part- he will not run as a third party candidate. Mean old guy- here, they had their hopes up and everything.

At least Solyndra rated a mention last week- the only way LightSquared came up- was when I brought it up. By the way, a second person has come forward to tell the tale of the White House attempted to force him to change his testimony to LightSquared's benefit.

Obama's investments interest them not at all. They are too busy following Bachman around, in case she says something stupid.

The guy in the White House? They cannot say anything negative about him. They are on the Board of Directors of his fan club, for crying out loud.

Secret decoder pins, and all.

I think that NY-9's voters might have jumped the gun on Obama and Israel, too.

Or maybe...

NY-9 was actually a "teachable moment" for the President.

Anything's possible.

[How about Solyndra and them bastards taking the 5th?]

Yea, those bastards! Using the United States Constitution like that!

You tell 'em, Spanky!

...you tell 'em, "counselor"...go ahead toadie, one hypocrite to another...

It's a toss up as to what's more prevelant...your ignorance or your insignificance...maybe you can help us out?

Nojo - of course you are right, BUT

Their numbers are rapidly dwindling. I know you remember the sheer volume of O cheer leaders for just 6-8 months ago, to say nothing of their numbers in 2009 and 2010.

But isn't that the fun part? Well that and to see Fiesty continue to become more and more shrill.

I know MSNBC has not aired one minute of coverage on Solyndra. Of course it ain't getting any play here.

Reminds my of so many stories that just take these folks completely by surprise. Like how the unemployment numbers are always "unexpected."

Tough to see when your heads buried in the sand, but what else are they going to do?

They will of course be throwing O under the bus very soon.

I can't figure this out, no joe...

Why on earth would Solyndra executives exercise their 5th Amendment rights while testifying before a branch of the same federal government that gave them $527 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars?

How about a little generosity of spirit?

Not to mention...a little reciprocity?

Speaking of Solyndra, in a email dated Sept 10th the lawyer for Solyndra said the CEO would

"appear voluntarily and answer the committee's questions."

Makes you kind of wonder what happened between then and now.

thetotas-

After you've had time to think about it...

An FBI raid can change everything.

Why on earth would Solyndra executives exercise their 5th Amendment rights while testifying before a branch of the same federal government that gave them $527 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars?

I guess they should have just answered "I can not recall...".

It worked for Reagan.

No punk, six posts in six minutes and nothing worth a damn in any of these is the problem. You're hopes of breaking down progressives by making them scroll through endless stench is juvenile.

So true Noid, but that's the bitch of the Internet and technology.

We got all the e mails. It used to be so hard in the olden days to establish that someone was lying - because the smart ones did exactly as you say and laid out a bevy of "I don't recall/I can't remember" to the questions.

Now it's super easy to nail to their own wall - Did you say that?

"I don't recall"

Ok, let me show you exhibit 27, an e mail dated xx/xx. Is that your e mail account?

"Uh...well....uh.....well....."

So when you said [reads e mail onto record] what did you mean?

Frowny face, double face palm, and best of all - quick and easy settlement.

It really makes life easy.

And Mixed - it is kinda funny - we have the e mails when the Solyndra execs were getting all pissy because Obama was holding up the money for a time. Yet now they don't seem all that cooperative.

I have had only one case where a civil defendant plead the 5th. Is it legal, you bet. Is it a good idea?

We hit them for big damages AND bigger punitive damages.

That was a great year for me.

Spanky-

Hello - QE3. Wait, not good for O.

You certainly are off-based.

Here comes the moral equivalency brigade to defend invoking 5th amendment rights...It's a despicable dodge no matter which "side" is "taking the 5th"...

Considering that it's OUR 535 MILLION, I'd sure like to know what these guys have to say. They are no different than the Oil men, Tobacco execs, or various nefarious politicos of BOTH parties who have hidden behind protection from self-incrimination...when everyone KNEW they had something to hide.

Remember...it isn't the crime, it's the cover-up that is usually the downfall..

Oh Ouch - I'm a punk?

Gosh after the things Fiesty, Bev, and others [like Drive By who used to always call me gay, like there is something wrong with that], being called a punk is a breath of fresh air.

Thanks TruePatriot, you are all right.

And what's with this "break down the progressives?" They are doing that all by their little old selves, or have you not been paying attention?

Besides my man, if they all broke down who would amuse me with gibberish about tax codes, tax increases and jobs bills?

So how about it TrueP - care to explain how the "Buffet Rule" would apply to tax free muni bonds? You think Obama knows what a tax free municipal bond even is, cause I kinda doubt it.

Now I don't got me no Berkshire Hathaway[if only!] but you'd be amazed what old Warren is up to there. Nope $100k per share is way too steep for my cheap ass.

And realy everybody know I suck too much at typing to ever get out 6 posts in 6 minutes.

If only.

the totas: Speaking of Solyndra, in a email dated Sept 10th the lawyer for Solyndra said the CEO would

"appear voluntarily and answer the committee's questions."

Makes you kind of wonder what happened between then and now.

=====================

The FBI found the evidence.

Am I the only one who questions the Department of Energy sending forth the FBI to take all documents from the headquarters and homes of the executives of Solyndra?

Seems to me that with all the stuff that pounce to Obama under FBI lock and key, these executives are slitting their own throats by refusing to cooperate with the investigation.

Were I involved in these shenanigans, I would have mailed copies of every single thing I had to a post office box in a distant city, and reveled the contents to congress- on the record.

These guys cannot possibly be so stupid as to think Obama will protect them, can they?

Spanky are you saying that some corporate executives took advantage of and stole from the USA, why I can't hardly beleive that, is it really true they did that. Now I'm am mad and I no longer want to reduce their taxes and de-regulate them, now that I know some of them are dishonest.

Bev. - can I assume that you have not seen how the market views Operation Twist?

down 283.

So tell me Bev. how am I off base? Do you foresee this Twisty thing will help at all? See QE1 and 2 both sucked.

Please tell me I'm wrong. I really really want to be wrong. Too bad we all know that is not the case.

Lower interest rates, really?

Forrest - too bad Obama disagrees with you and will do that very thing.

Just a little too far for me, no joe.

The FBI is largely staffed by career professionals...they aren't infallible (far from it), but they don't work for the Obama Energy Department, either.

Let's see what happens when and if they send their findings to the Justice Department recommending prosecution.

Bev -- So true, QE3 (why another round of quantitative easing might not be a cure-all for the economy, which we all know is the number one burning issue of the day, not), and then MB started to go off about an FBI raid, and for a minute there I thought he was going to talk about Scott Walker.

September 14, 2011 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- A team of FBI agents executed search warrants at a home on the east side of Madison, Wisconsin, Wednesday.

In this Intelligence Report: The raid was on a former top aide to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker in what appears to be an expanding corruption investigation.

Wednesday's raid is the latest carried out by federal authorities on several of Governor Scott Walker's top staffers, all state employees who recently resigned.

Wow, going off topic instead of trying to make my case based on merit (data, facts, evidence) is so much easier.

lol, TP.

Funny.

But...

I digress.

When have you EVER made a case based on the merits?

Please provide "data, facts, evidence" in support of your argument.

You really ARE a hoot, TP!

I can't stop laughing...

:-)

Spanky,

Just to see if you're blowing smoke out of your a s s again I checked Fox news, and they don't have anything about QE3 on their POLITICAL site either. If you want economic news try CNBC.

Spanky, et al, this is not your forum. Nor is it mine. It is MSNBC's forum. They can pick whatever they want to discuss.

They do not have to answer to you or me. What they pick may not be what you like or what you think is important. If you are not OK with that, there are many other forums.

So please stop whining and trying to hijack the thread.

MB- the FBI agents were doing their jobs- seizing documents covered by a warrant.

Those documents are now part of an "ongoing criminal investigation". Tell me, how far do you think this will "ongo"?

You really think that Holder is going to do a thorough prosecution?

Call me a cynic- I don't.

In any event, the stories I read said that the warrant was issued by the DoE. Presumably, at the behest of one of their inspectors general.

Now the question is, what happens to those documents?

We need a special prosecutor. We need a special prosecutor even more today than yesterday, since the law firm representing these executives, Orrick, Harrington, and Sutcliffe, Keker, and Van Nest, are ALSO Obama bundlers- who advised these executives to keep their bloody mouths shut.

Obama is the man who lied about his own dying mother's insurance coverage. Sorry, MB, that tells me there is nothing to which he will not stoop.

The corrupt destroying evidence of their corruption? That's a no-brainer for me.

Yeah, clue you are probably right - there will be no political ramifications to QE3, just like 1 and 2. I wonder though - Bernacke "Twisted" to help the economy, cause it's in the toilet. Obama's re-election is tied to said economy. Huh, yeah, not important I suppose.

And fielden, of course it's not my forum. It's Feisty's, just just let's the rest of us play here. Then again I am but one lonely poster in a ever decreasing sea of Blue. Certainly I, one so far outside the mainstream views here could never, ever hijack or control anything, let alone a thread.

Naa, I'm more of an idiot [savant] - I just spout off with whatever pops into my little conservative, neo-nazi, puppy killing brain. Every once in a long while I get lucky and it might be somewhat relevant to the issues important here at MSNBC, but rarely do the two ever meet.

So Clue - is there anything on Solyndra over at Fox? Any other POLITICAL sites? Odd then that there is no mention here. It is odd, right?

You don't have a clue

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/09/21/operation-twist-set-to-fail-as-bernanke-insists-on-flattening-the-yield-curve/

Read and learn.

It's QEIII.

Now, unlike Soanky, (sorry, Spanky), I was for QEI. M3 had declined precipitously, and we were staring in the face of deflation.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain why that is so bad- take my word for it, it's disastrous. If you are so inclined, do a little research on the amount of deflation during the great depression, think about where the economy is today with the decline in house prices, and draw your own conclusions.

Bernanke is at sea. He was a bad choice by Bush, a worse choice for Obama to tprenominate, and the next president- either Perry or Romney- would be well advised to replace him.

Preferably with the Governor from Dallas, who does have a clue.

take my word for it,

ROTFLMFAO & *wiping away the tears*

By FAAAAR the funniest thing the NJ nut job has posted in 3 years...

*make it stop* ;o)))

Perry is a complete idiot. What a joke. Guy would not know honor if staring him straight in the face. He proves it day by day by day. The phony b.s. he driveled about Israel is just more proof of his ignorance. How can anyone be such a dickstain sob. Only a polarized to the point of stupid fool would ever have voted or would vote for such a fake.

take my word for it,

Take the NJ nut jobs word for it?

You'd have better luck asking the homeless guy for tax tips!

*still LMFAO*

NoJo:

[...the FBI agents were doing their jobs- seizing documents covered by a warrant.]

Oh, you mean like they did at Gibson? You know...Gibson...remember them? Do you also remember how you were railing against the FBI and the Obama Administration for that one? Yes...yes...I think that was it, right?

...NoJo...?

...anything...?

It wasn't the FBI at Gibson- it was the EPA.

Gibson had ALL the paperwork-in order- but they seized the fretboards ANYWAY.

The EPA did a raid previosuly- no charges- but Gibson still cannot getmtheir seized goods back- despite, also, having the proper paperwork.

Gibson is now threatening to close their U.S. plants, and moving offshore.

Great job, Obama!

Lots of musicians slamming the or wallets shut over this one.

The man is a moron.

Wait the FBI and EPA are not the same?

Huh?

Too stupid to argue with, eh NOJO?

[It wasn't the FBI at Gibson- it was the EPA.]

The EPA CONFISCATED the items...the Feds...Federal agents...FBI conducted the raids...

but you knew that, right NoJo?

[Too stupid to argue with, eh NOJO?]

Well, FINALLY! I was beginning to wonder just how much one has to slap you around to get a response. But I'm glad to see you don't have the balls to put me on ignore...

...but really, Spanky...stop being the coward that you are...but to answer your question, yes, you are too stupid to argue with...

...but you knew that already...

...yes, you did...

...ain't that right, "counselor"...

Gee, Spanky...you're much, much more irritated at Obama today...did "counselor" lose that big, important traffic case this morning?

Aww...poor Schpanks...you have far more sand in your vagina today than you usually do...what gives?

Maybe if you mosey back on over to Fox Nation and The Blaze, you'll get all the attention a Spankster like you deserves.

Spanky........So how about team Red in Wisconsin? Crapping their collective shorts right about NOW!

Now that the FBI is investigating the Captain of Team Red in Wisc. Knock-knock Mr walker. But You probably haven't heard about this uh' you sure aint going to hear about this on your conservative media.

Oh one more thing..to quote another simpleton that regularly post here.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

actually dont know what you think you read but what he has said lately is it would take a balanced approach to bring down the debt between cutting spending and raising revenue, nice try to put your own spin on it but in your case ya show what ya know and it appears to be about anything but impressive..............

Let me guess, John, what you saw was a selectively-edited quote on FAUX Noise? Here is what Bill Clinton said last Sunday on Meet the Press:

FMR. PRES. CLINTON: Well, first of all, I believe that the--that as you look at how we're going to balance this budget and get ahold of the debt over the long run, clearly everyone who's looked at it, all the bipartisan commissions--the one that Senator Domenici and Alice Rivlin held, the extremely good work done by Alan Simpson and Erksine Bowles and their commission--they all say you've got to have spending cuts and revenue increases and economic growth if you ever want to bring the budget back into balance. You have to have all three. And the least harmful tax increases are the ones that Senator McConnell and people who agree with him hate the most, and that is restoring the tax levels that existed when I was president for those of us in high income groups--levels. That's, that's the one that does the least harm...

In regard to what President Obama has outlined, Clinton said: "Looks to me like that's a good thing for America."

Saw where Bill Clinton said he would not raise taxes right now.

That's not exactly what he said. If you want to quote him -- quote ALL of what he said.

I think what Spanky was saying (for about a year now) is:

"Hey- let's keep changing the subject to whatever makes Obama and Democrats look less than stellar, because God knows, we don't have anything good to offer about the Right or the many scewball candidates THEY have in this thing, or how many GOOD things the GOP and the right have done for the country lately".

Yep. That 'bout sums it up.

Told you I spoke 'Spanky'.

Nice take JFK...

If First Read would actually post some interesting stuff, we'd probably stay on topic. Must be a slow news day... wait! Everyday is a slow news day at First Read... since they hardly ever put up anything worthwhile. The only reason I come here is to change the topic... (sic)

Ah, but alas Drive By - I am but only the "queen of the right."

So that must make you "queen of the mirth."

If only you did speak Spanky - you could come on over, hang out. Maybe draft some briefs, argue some motions. Hell, I'd love to see you persuade a jury.

You think you got it in you big guy? Sure you do - it's really super easy. Why as easy as blasting out one of you super funny posts. :)

Less than stellar? That's what you call 15 million unemployed, the highest rate of poverty in the 52 years Census has been tracking it, a stalled economy, and a foreign policy that could only be worse if he actually tried to sabotage it?

That's what you call committing taxpayers to over half a billion dollars to a company that was already on the ropes, had been turned down before, did in fact go bankrupt right on schedule, and rescheduling the loans to protect your big donor?

Talk about grading on a curve.

So that must make you "queen of the mirth."

More like Queen of the ball.

Love those heels you're wearing today drive-thru. Gucci? Maybe you can show them to your liberal gal friends, but do remember to tell them there is a weight limit.

Hero worship.

Sucks to have to witness the downfall.

Oh no DBO - he's still totally stellar.

If it's not interesting here, then go somewhere else. We'll be happy to show you to the door.

TrueP - are you really that dense, or just not reading carefully?

I love it here. Outside of the Ed Show and Rev. Al, you just can't get this kind of entertainment.

And in case I forget to thank you - thanks, man. You have done naught but add to the joyful experience.

Besides, I know you'd miss me. :)

Wow

Who could argue with an intelligent post like that?

Anthony I am sure glad you came in and gave us an example of an intelligent post we could all strive to copy.

didnt try to lead by example there pal , just tried to show how big an idiot people like you can be sometimes.....thanx for reinforcing my point !!!

Apparently it's interesting enough for you to come back everyday to read it....

Let me guess- you got through sixth grade unscathed because you just gave the bully your lunch money everyday.

Do a little research- find out how many bombs, missiles, and murders the so-called peace loving Palestinians are responsible for.

Go a little further, and find out how much of "Palestine" Jordan annexed.

As to undermining Obama, he does that all on his own. The man is inept on his best days, and a total failure six days a week- and twice on Sundays.

Tell me, dear heart, WHY you think Abbas chose NOW to play this card? Do you think he would have done it if, say, we had a president who made it absolutely clear that, if he did this, the money would stop flowing to them?

I don't.

Face it- everybody in the world- with the exception of his dwindling fan base- sees this fool for what he is- an ineducable moron in love with the sound of his own voice, with very little else to offer.

Except failure. He's had plenty of that- and unless we get a special prosecutor, we will not be rid of him for another fourteen months.

If we last that long under his "leadership".

Tell me, is it called leadership when the direction is a downward spiral?

NJNB -- We'll skip the Bush Doctrine for now and all it's wonderful outcomes (not). It is fair, however, to compare Bush era policies to the much improved global relations since the 2008 election of President Obama, and the many successes most notably the elimination of bin Laden. And while the Haters of the President criticized the Libyan effort because the US finally decided NOT TO APPEASE other nations, and require that they too spend some of their GDP to do the right thing...

Where is the proof that Abbas is playing this card because of who is POTUS? The timing is related to many other factors, which you would know if you could discern correlation from cause and effect, and if you were a Middle East expert, which you're not.

So lose the sixth grade analogy and "dear heart" condescending remarks. Your post consists mostly of a baseless rant against the president with very little substance about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

I read it. I guess you're the board police.

You want a comment on it? Okay.

Lamarr Alexander can kiss my left foot.

He's irrelevant- no one cares about his opinion, and, the last time I checked, this was the United States, where everyone has the right to express their opinion- even if it does hurt the worst president ever to occupy the Oval Office.

Satisfied?

I read it. I guess you're the board police.

Interesting that the NJ nut job would assume marv was talking about her & the rest of band of right wing misfits... lol

Now Lamarr Alexander has gone and done it. He has lost the tea party support for going and saying he is willing to work with the other side to get things done for our country.

Republicans just can't stand it when you put country before party.

NJNB, it is explicitly stated at the very top of the article that this is about an opinion of Lamar Alexander. If you don't like the man, or the opinion, or the subject, why are you even here? At the bottom of the page?

Pathetic.

Republicans? Ypu look at the fall out for this country and our allies because of the total ineptitude of a democratic president who is still supported by democrats, and have the nerve to say that republicans put party before country?

Now that corruption is in display, you still support Obama because he's a democrat, and have the nerve to type that?

Pure delusion.

Yes.

And he knows what's at stake.

Next question?

CHRIS-- Real clever with the dildohead shows great character and intelligence. I'm not a conservative and as usual I think you haven't paid attention for the past three years. Obama has been a disaster with Israel. Mr. Netanyahu of course is going to be cordial he may have to deal with Mr. Obama until 2016, because the repubs haven't put up anyone who can defeat him.

Hillary 2012

time 4truth,

“Mr. Netanyahu of course is going to be cordial he may have to deal with Mr. Obama until 2016”

His words and especially his tone were decidedly much more appreciative that last year at the Whitehouse when he scolded our President.