The Big Lie on Taxes

Obama and his fawning leftist acolytes just love to puff out their chests and sanctimoniously declare that middle class families shouldn't pay "higher taxes" than millionaires and billionaires. Well by golly, who the heck could disagree with that? The problem is there is no problem here because middle class families DO NOT pay higher taxes than those evil folks at the top of the income scale.

In fact, according to CBO data the effective tax rate for the 70 million Americans who earn between $32,100 - $71,200 is 14.2% at the lower end of this range to 25.8% at the upper end. At the same time, the 12 million folks in the top 10% with earnings of at least $98,100 pay an effective rate of 27.5% while the 1.1 million folks in the top 1% with earnings of at least $332,300 pay an effective rate of 31.2%. A few more factoids:

- the top 10% of earners pay 70% of all federal income taxes
- almost 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax at all
- if the evil rich (using Obama's definition of those earning over $200,000) were taxed at a 100% rate, those tax revenues still wouldn't be enough to cover the federal budget deficit for one year.

What is abundantly clear when looking at the FACTS is that the U.S. has a highly progressive income tax structure where those who earn more pay more in taxes at increasingly higher marginal rates. And those who earn more – by far – provide the vast bulk of tax revenues to the federal government. Indeed, when the top 10% of earners pay 70% of our federal income taxes, it's kind of hard to make the case that those folks aren't paying their "fair share."

So when Obama says his rhetoric on taxes is about math not about class warfare, he's full of $hit. It's more like a desperate attempt to create an issue that will help him get reelected: campaigning on a promise to rob Peter in order to pay Paul is a time tested strategy that always gets the support of Paul. The low information dolts who flock to the Democratic side may well eat up that garbage. But those who see the world with clarity understand we don't have a tax revenue problem in this country, we have a spending problem. That's the math. The rest is populist class warfare BS that puffs up a non-problem for a purely self-serving political purpose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obama-taxes-and-the-buffett-rule/2011/09/20/gIQAXdd0iK_blog.html?hpid=z3

There’s so much entertaining news today, I hardly know where to begin!!!

Looks like Barry’s hard left turn has got the lefty liberals salivating. However, it is having the opposite effect on people in the political middle where elections are decided.

Could it be that Barry is playing to the far left wing now, knowing in advance that he has plenty of time before the election to move back to the center?? And he is playing them because he knows they have no place else to go. Gee, THAT would be devious and underhanded, wouldn’t it??

Hmmm…. “Fool me once..”

Hillary??

From Politico:

Obama sparks middle-of-road rage
By: Glenn Thrush
September 21, 2011 04:32 AM EDT

The moderate elite isn’t, by definition, an angry bunch but President Barack Obama’s pivot from calibrated centrism to soak-the-rich liberal populism has tapped a vein of middle-of-the-road rage and centrist angst.

Over the past two weeks, Obama has convincingly channeled FDR, winning over suspicious liberals, even if many suspect he will eventually return to his old, compromising ways.

Yet to a small, but influential cadre of moderates, it’s political apostasy — an Obama-led return to the bad old days of the 1970s and 1980s, when tax-hiking liberals drove the Democratic Party to the powerless margins of politics.

And to some higher-minded moderates, led by New York Times columnist David Brooks, Obama is sacrificing his 2008 vision of a post-partisan presidency and purple national map on the altar of Democratic base politics.

“President Obama is basically tearing apart his own coalition,” said Mark Penn, former top strategist for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign and a pollster for President Bill Clinton who prodded the White House to the right after the disastrous 1994 midterms.

“[Obama] did something remarkable in 2008… He did better among people earning $100,000 than any Democrat I can recall [and] that’s in jeopardy now,” added Penn, who called for Obama to reclaim the “vital center” in a Huffington Post essay this week.

“President Clinton managed to regain his footing without raising taxes and protecting Medicare and Social Security. President Obama has it the other way around. He’s already said he would consider cuts to entitlements and now he’s talking about tax increases… He’s ignoring the one group he really needs, independents.”

"But the way Perry did it, plus its timing, opens him up to plenty of criticism, even among fellow Republicans."

That Perry doesn't have a lick of sense should come as no surprise.

But, as to his timing?

Someone probably offered him 5k.

You're right. Troy Davis should not die due to bigotry. And he's not. He's dying due to murdering a cop. Get over it.

The American people are slowly waking up to the fact that the “inherited” recession ended in June 2009 and they are now suffering in the THIRD YEAR of the Slow-bama recovery. As much as Barry and the lefty liberals here on FR will continue to whine and complain “It’s still all George Bush’s fault”, the American people know otherwise. And the number of American’s that will wake up to that fact is only going to increase as we get closer to the election.

From Politico:

Poll: More blame Obama for economy
By: MJ Lee
September 21, 2011 06:38 AM EDT

For the first time since President Barack Obama took office, a majority of Americans believe he deserves at least some blame for the country’s economic troubles, a new poll Wednesday shows.

According to the USA Today/Gallup survey, 24 percent of Americans say Obama deserves “a great deal of blame” for the state of the economy – a 10 point jump since 2009. A majority of Americans, including six out of 10 independents, think the president deserves “a great deal or moderate” amount of blame.

The poll also finds the public’s pessimism about the economy is growing deeper – 8 out of 10 say the the country is in a recession, and a similar number of people think it hasn’t improved in the last year.

The public’s future economic outlook has also taken a downturn, with 61 percent of those polled predicting the economy will be “the same or worse” in a year. In 2009, only 35 percent of people believed that the economy would be the same or worse in a year.

The survey found that Obama fares slightly better than his predecessor in the economic blame game – 36 percent say former President George W. Bush deserves a great deal of blame for the nation’s economic woes.

Associated Press is reporting that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is determined to close down the terrorist detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba before next year's general election.

Good luck getting support for that from Congressional Democrats during an election year, Mr Holder.

Presumably, Democratic lawmakers are aware of the consistent opposition of the public to the closure of Guantanamo.

Hopefully, Holder will have concluded the military tribunals (for KSM and the other 9/11 conspirators) that he was similarly determined not to have before he succeeds in closing down Guantanamo.

Remember the civilian trials for the 9/11 plotters Holder was so adamant about conducting before bipartisan Congressional opposition and negative public opinion (particularly in NYC) dispensed with that particular pipe dream?

This is the most politically tone-deaf administration ever.

*** Obama’s tricky task at the U.N

FT: the better question should be is Netanyahu and Perry an enemy of Israel too?

Now comes the news that none other than DEAD BEAT DAD Joe Walsh (R) IL has earned yet another distinction of being named one of the most CORRUPT members of Congress!

As if owing over $100,000 in back child support wasn’t bad enough, he’s been exposed to have cheated his former campaign field director out of $20,000 in pay & the cherry on top would be passing bad checks!

Ol’ Joe is a stellar example of modern day conservatism in 2011!

Me thinks, Joe’s done giving any acceptance speech’s anytime in the near future…

Maybe he should focus on introducing himself to Bubba!

Read the entire story here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/joe-walsh-named-among-con_n_971909.html

PS: Bev -- what Agent Orange really wanted to say was 'crack addicts'... ;o)

I just find this Hillaryous!!!

Dem pols want the American people to trust them to spend their tax money wisely AND give them more of it, and yet they can’t even keep their own campaign funds under control.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feinstein donates $5M to campaign
By: John Bresnahan and Manu Raju
September 20, 2011 11:53 PM EDT

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who is up for reelection in 2012, will put $5 million of her own money into her race, the latest sign that a mega-fraud case involving a top Democratic campaign treasurer is roiling California politics.

Feinstein, first elected to the Senate in 1992, raised more than $5 million for her reelection campaign as of June 30, according to a Federal Election Commission report.

But that was before Kinde Durkee, a top Democratic political consultant who served as the treasurer for dozens of Democratic political committees and campaigns throughout the state, was accused by the Justice Department of improperly diverting more than $670,000 from the campaign account of a California state assemblyman.

Durkee also worked as Feinstein’s treasurer for two decades. And Feinstein now fears that part, or even all, of her reelection fund was improperly redirected by Durkee to personal accounts that Durkee controlled. Durkee has been accused by Justice of mail fraud after allegedly using hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign funds to cover business and personal expenses, including American Express bills and payments for her mother’s nursing home.

The 78-year-old California senator now faces an incumbent lawmaker’s worst nightmare — having to dig deep into personal funds to help pay for a reelection campaign in a state where the cost of such races routinely runs into the tens of millions of dollars.

Reps. Susan Davis and Loretta Sanchez, both California Democrats, have already claimed Durkee improperly took hundreds of thousands of dollars from their campaigns. And FBI agents and California state election officials are scrambling to unravel the complex web of transactions that Durkee engaged in for the hundreds of campaign bank accounts she controlled.

Durkee reportedly told FBI investigators before her Sept. 2 arrest that she “had been misappropriating her clients’ money for years and that forms she filed with the state [election board] are false,” according to a criminal complaint submitted by the Justice Department.

Miscarriage of Justice

Many years ago I read a book about Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. And what struck me in the book was when the author wrote that the night before Ethel’s execution, she was told that if she admitted to being a spy, they would not execute her. She refused and the execution went on.

One of the damaging things said about her was that she typed notes for her husband. Since then, that story doesn’t hold up.

I’m not saying Ethel Rosenberg WASN’T a spy, only that at the time, the evidence against her was suspect. But they executed her anyway, even though they weren’t 100% convinced she was a guilty. This is wrong. Terribly wrong in America.

Read this paragraph:

That doesn't mean that Ethel was innocent -- indeed, the preponderance of the evidence suggests she was not. But what is clear is that in seeking to get the defendants to confess to Soviet espionage, the prosecutors overstepped bounds and enhanced testimony to guarantee a conviction. Americans should have no problem acknowledging when such judicial transgressions take place, and in concluding that the execution of Ethel was a miscarriage of justice.

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Troy Davis. Since his conviction, seven of nine witnesses have changed or recanted their testimony, some have said they were coerced by police to testify against Davis and some say another man committed the crime.

No physical evidence linked Davis to the crime.

"Some say another man committed the crime."

"seven of nine witnesses have changed or recanted their testimony."

No one now is 100% sure he is guilty. That’s the point. You don't EVER execute a person when you are not 100% sure. EVER.

Damn it, this is America and this shouldn't be.

Keep on beating the Joe Walsh drum.

If that's all you got. Your world of Obama's Utopia is falling down around you.

The carousels have stopped spinning, the cotton candy has gone stale and the Unicorns have head for the hills.

14 more months any y'all ain't got nothing left in the quiver.

It really is kind of sad to watch you flail about like this, grasping at straws.

President Obama: " It's not class warfare, it's basic math"

Obama/Biden 2012

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who is up for reelection in 2012, will put $5 million of her own money into her race,

Funny like how Meg Whitman spent 200 MILLION on her failed attempt at the Governorship?

Or Jor Walsh SCREWING his children out of over $117,000? To take his girlfriend on lavish vacations? And writing bad checks?

Yeah - such fiscal hawks you connies are!

You're right!

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Keep on beating the Joe walsh drum Feisty.

Don't you worry your pretty little head - I'm GONNA!

Obama in 2012.

"it was a good news-cycle hit, allowing Perry to be one-on-one with the president on the international stage"

Media, it's YOUR fault!....You put Slick Rick in that position!...yup, YOU Media did it!

Joe in Albany

The American people are slowly waking up to the fact that the “inherited” recession ended in June 2009 and they are now suffering in the THIRD YEAR of the Slow-bama recovery.

From Politico:

Poll: More blame Obama for economy

September 21, 2011 06:38 AM EDT

Joeey, thank you for your daily GOPolitico tracking.

President Obama Job Approval

43.6
Approve
50.9
Disapprove

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

President Obama still beats any nutty tea-bagger

General Election: Republican vs. Obama

PollDateSampleRepublican (R)Obama (D)Spread

RCP Average
8/4 - 9/18
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44.0
43.5
Republican +0.5

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

http://www.politicaldog101.com/?p=35330

Signs of progress

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So Joeey being the pig you are, why don't you go back to your GOPolitico throgh where you can enjoy eating, defecating & squealing,

It's basic math, okay. Unfortunately, Obama does not understand basic math.

His claims that he wants the rich to pay their "fair share"- that their rates should be the same as the middle class- is an interesting one. Seems he wants to LOWER taxes on the "rich".

According to the Tax Policy Institute- a non- partisan organization- the "middle class", those earning up to seventy- five thousand dollars annually, pay an effective rate of 15% to the IRS.

Those earning over $375,000 pay almost 30%.

Wow. Who knew Obama was for lowering taxes on "the rich"

Now, I suppose what Obama really meant was that he wanted to raise the capital gains tax. If so, he should have just come out and said so. Why did he not? Because raising the capital gains tax affects EVERYONE, not just "the rich". Therefore, a lot of people- middle class included- would be pretty angry about that, so he misstated it.

Kind of the way he misstated everything about his way of paying for his newest spending bill.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/20/124688/truth-squad-obama-misstates-facts.html

So, we are left to draw one of two conclusions-

A- Obama is totally, completely, clueless about what the heck he is talking about, or

B- he knows he os lying, but will say anything at all in the hopes that enough fools believe him.

Choose carefully, libs- neither answer is a good one.

Anyway, it does not matter- none of this os going through, and he will not be president for much longer. Like last year, the more he campaigns, the lower his approval rating goes.

Judging by the look on her face during the speech, I have my doubts that the wife is planning on voting for him again.

Obama shelved in 2012.

Tom, Obama has had a problem with math since he took office. The economy is a perfect example of his poor math skills. The exaggerations and misinformation coming from Obama's lips is catching up to him and will continue. His claim is false and the IRS data proves it.

Damage123

You're right. Troy Davis should not die due to bigotry. And he's not. He's dying due to murdering a cop. Get over it.

Tell us why giving more money to the federal government is NOT like giving cocaine to an addict. It seems there are more arguments to agree with this statement than those that would point to it being false.

46 million below the poverty line is by Obama's plan, you should be cheering such results. After all he is building a voting base of those that pay NO taxes, and more in poverty getting handouts, the more votes he can get.

And the percentage of income for the the top 1% should be applauded. At least THEY pay taxes and help fund this mess. If they werent making money in heaps, how could they propose to take more from them and spend it on the voting block that pays nothing? Scratch that, not only do they pay nothing, but they get a refund check as payment for their vote.

It is clear BHO has a plan to create over 50% of the population paying no taxes and contributing nothing to the services and benefits they get from the government. That way they can keep the party in power to steal money from the other fraction of the population. And the rich will always be a minority with no voting block to stop it.

Tell me, as the rich get to bear the burden of paying all the taxes int heis country now, and BHO wants to increase this load on them, what added benefits do they get over a person who pays nothing? After all, THEY are paying for all the services. And it occurs to me the services are utilized more by the other fraction. It is forced charity.

BHO talks about the rich paying "Their fair share". But they are already paying something. How about EVERYONE get some "skin in the game". Eliminate the payments from the tax system to people who already do not pay a dime in. Even if they are reduced to a load of $0 (which is still unfair) they would have some skin in the game by not getting paid to be in the lower percentage of earners. Have the medical benefits they get from the goverment through programs bear even the smallest of copayments for visits to doctors and ER rooms. That way they will stop using ER rooms as a doctor office when they have a sniffle. And they can see the reason the rest of America will not go to the doctor for minor issues. There is a cost associated with it.

I am tired of the poeple that work hard and earn success being deamonized and robbed to fund the needs of people who have no responsibility at all. And I pay close to $0 in taxes each year (borderline) but can still see the tax structure is unfair already and and further push from this administration will make it more so. And I have aspirations that some day I will make more and do not wish to have my success taxed to provide charity that I do not wish to pay. If I want to contribute charity, I wish to choose who does and does not get my contribution. I do not wish to pay it into a system that rewards and encourages further poverty and irresponsible behavior. The reason there is so many children in poverty is the benefits system (even after welfare reform) encourages having children while on assistance. Maybe we should PENALIZE this rather than reward it. If you are on welfare and food stamps and decide to have more children while on this assistance, you receive LESS benefits. THAT is a charity I would contribute to more easily than the one we have in place now.

Bill -- REFORM TAXES and we wouldn't have all that so-called "populist class warfare" you like to talk about going on. (Who perpetuates this crap? People like Bill.) It's tax warfare not class warfare. Designed by Congress.

Pat, I'm against the death penalty in all cases, however, you are leaving a very pertinent fact OUT of the Davis case-

There were shell casings at the scene of this crime that matched the gun that Davis was convicted of using at a different crime scene earlier that day.

Moreover, some of the witnesses changed their testimony upon being told that the second man involved in the crime that led to the shooting of the police officer, (that is, mugging a homeless man), had said that he was, in fact, the shooter. There was a new hearing on that evidence, and Davis failed in that, too.

We should just repeal the death penalty altogether, and save ourselves these traumas.

Mark Penn.

This man hates President Obama, not because he's a Democrat (he's also a Democrat), but because Obama beat out his first love (Hillary Clinton) for the Presidential race. He worked for Hillary's campaign and now is only mouthing sour grapes.

Give it up Mark, the elections been over or years.

Beverly,

General Election: Republican vs. Obama

PollDateSampleRepublican (R)Obama (D)Spread

RCP Average
8/4 - 9/18
--
44.0
43.5
Republican +0.5

Now show us the numbers from battleground states where it really matters. How is he doing in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, etc?

All the libbies in NY and California can vote for him 10 times each, but their states are already in his column.

Look at the big picture in the states he HAS to carry. Again, a soup can would beat him handily in those states, and I believe the soup can would do a better job. ( I would vote for chicken noodle over him).

I do like that the Left is planning on running people against Mr Obama in a primary! I really never expected that and await the future news on this!

"seven of nine witnesses have changed or recanted their testimony."

Not using Obama math, that leaves 2 WITNESSES who say he did do it. How many do you want?

Put him down.

I see Joe Albany can't get his abacus to work again. It's conservative to spend $200 million of your own money to buy win an election; but it's down right foolish to put in $5 million?

Grimey, Joe does NOT get to be your Secretary of Treasury,...

Did I miss all of the outrage about the idiot from Albany's 'cut & pastes'?

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Nasty, I'm always pleased when you get your panties all twisted up in knots over me. LMFAO!!!!!

Nasty and Bev: When NBC News (the employer of all the FR reporters that you love to adore and fawn over) considers Politico to be credible recognized news organization, quoting their stories is simply backing up my posts with the facts. And that's something FR lefty liberals routinely whine about if conservatives don't do it.

Lefty liberal OPINION sites like thinkprogress don't fall into the category of being a "credible recognized news organization". Quoting them is simply saying "Here's someone that agrees with my position." Get back to me when NBC News co-sponsors a Presidential debate with thinkprogress.

Here come the trolls 1...2...3... and they're collapsing spree...

When NBC News (the employer of all the FR reporters that you love to adore and fawn over) considers Politico to be credible recognized news organization,

Awww!

Look at that... the idiot from Albany sure seems defensive today. lmao

You sure spent a lot of time defending you source when I NEVER mentioned it?

Insecure & impotent is NO way to go through life son!

Nasty, I'm always pleased when you get your panties all twisted up in knots over me

Don't flatter yourself buddy - it takes a bigger man then you'll ever be!

PS: You assume waaayy to much!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Comment collapsed by the community...of hypocritical, intolerant, narrow minded posters from the Party of Stupid.

I see Joe Albany can't get his abacus to work again. It's conservative to spend $200 million of your own money to buy win an election; but it's down right foolish to put in $5 million?

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Clara, I think all that salmon is distracting your critical reasoning skills. Go back and reread my post. It's not about the amount of money, it's about the fact that a lot of CA Dem pols were so careless with their own campaign money they can't be trusted with the taxpayer's money.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

PS: Bev -- what Agent Orange really wanted to say was 'crack addicts'... ;o)

Feisty that is because Agent Orange knows a ABOUT about addiction; GF.

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Amy, while I agree that collapsing posts is ridiculous, isn't putting people you disagree with on ignore also narrow minded and intolerant?

All the whining about the "collapse cowards" comes from the very people who boast about all the posters that they have put on "Ignore".

If I recall, you have put many people on ignore, simply because you disagree with their point of view.

I don't collapse posts and I don't put people on ignore. Why come here if that is your intention?

If you only want to hear what you want to hear, form a secret club and go there to share your ideologies.

Cause one thing this sight is never short on is hypocrisy.

Well, Joe

It's funny when a Republican gets ROBBED, they use tax funded programs to recover their losses; but when they Spend Recklessly,...well that's just GOOD FISCAL policy. Come on now, you sure can't have it both ways. (PS. I will spell it out for you,...Dems didn't w-a-s-t-e the money,...they had it stolen from them - see the nuance?)

Don't be hatin' on the salmon love. It was awesome good stuff, if I do say so myself.

Beverly,

Muslims against Christians

It is not the Replicans pitting Muslims against Christians, it is their Muslim faith. Their teachings say to either convert or kill non Muslims. If they are a good Muslim, then by default they are against Christains, and nothing any political party can say will change that.

I find it hard to fathom why we continue to call it a religion. I think the "convert or kill" clause should exclude this from being considered a religion and they should lose all freedoms and tax benefits that protect religions.

More off topic rants by the usual group of echo heads.

If you only want to hear what you want to hear, form a secret club and go there to share your ideologies.

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The FR lefty liberals are way ahead of you. They already have a secret club. Back aways there was a "major scandal" (LOL!!!) when they thought it had been hacked. Turns out these morons just weren't bright enough to set it up as a secure site and anyone could log onto it. It was Hillaryous!!!!!

President Barack Obama’s got a decidedly downbeat message from his hometown newspaper on Monday – please don’t run for re-election.

The message did not come directly from the Chicago Tribune, but from a distinguished member of its editorial board, Steve Chapman

Even so, the fact it was printed in the Windy City’s most prominent newspaper, which endorsed Obama in 2008, is a major blow to the president.

“Someone said that when a man is smitten with a beautiful woman, he should remember that somebody somewhere is tired of her. Likewise, the most inspiring presidents get stale after years of constant overexposure,” wrote Chapman, who said that Democrats have a more-than-able replacement candidate in Hillary Clinton. (Chicago Tribune, September 19, 2011.

Now ain't that a hoot? LOL

It's funny when a Republican gets ROBBED, they use tax funded programs to recover their losses

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Clara: got facts??

Anyone notice the obvious nature of the "article" above? If not, read:

1. President trying to save the world. Very hard to expect any headway, but he's trying.

2. If anyone thinks/says the President's previous actions with Israel and the Palestinians was sub-par, then you are haters that need to be quiet. The republicans are obviously not as dignified because they would dare speak their opinions when campaigning for President.

Maybe Kerry and Dean agreed with President Bush's position in '03?? Anyone check that out or just the matter if they spoke up about it??

The President's only power in the matter is to ask that the Palestinians consider not going for statehood now. It's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. They want statehood so that they can take Israel to the World Court to demonize them for acting out against threats and attacks against them. If they can get the World Court to listen, they might get a ruling against Israel and maybe get some more land back (where they could militarize as a state and use as a touch point for additional violence against Israel). Face it, that's what they want and "negotiating" won't do squat. The Hammas charter calls for the destruction of Israel and Abbas has noted that in a Palestinian state no jews would be allowed. There is radicalization over in Egypt and bigger/better arms are flowing into Gaza for use against Israel.

The President is stuck because he endorsed Abbas, moved against Israel in the past, endorsed the "arab spring uprisings" and the US provides aid to BOTH the Palestinians and Israel. He has no traction other than the veto and when the US uses it we are going to get it with both barrels from the Arab League, Russia, Venesuela, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, etc. etc.

California Tom

Mark Penn.

This man hates President Obama, not because he's a Democrat (he's also a Democrat), but because Obama beat out his first love (Hillary Clinton) for the Presidential race. He worked for Hillary's campaign and now is only mouthing sour grapes.

Give it up Mark, the elections been over or years.

California Tom
Mark fat @** likes playing PUMA game

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Isn't he still unemployed?

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White Collar Auto

Obviously, I don't have you on ignore. (Yet!)

I'm sure, even you realize, you're stretching the boundaries of reason, to equate putting a poster on ignore so you personally don't have to read them, to collapsing their comments to make it less likely other people will read them.

I read opposing arguments, and sometimes I even agree with posters from the other party. For instance, I agree with you, journalism is dead. (Present journalists excepted.)

Beverly - you are so full of crap you stink.

Our president has taken a stand against Israel. He is in full support of the Palestinian statehood. If the Palestinians were to have a state, just exactly where would it be located? Where is the land going to come from? An island could be built in the Med... or even in the Red sea.... but that's not realistic is it?

Obama wants Israel to give up some of her land to provide a state for the Palestinians. Unbelievable. Israel encompasses 8000 square miles. You could fit Israel 8 times in the state of Florida.... or it's roughly the size of New Jersey. How would the people in New Jersey feel about having a chunk of their state taken away from them in order to give the Palestinians a state of their own? In essence, this is what Obama supports.

Dosen't Obama realize that the Palestinians won't stop there? They will continually have border disputes with Israel. It's like feeding gasoline on an already raging fire. I swear, the community organizer in chief lacks so much vision, it's simply incredible.

You wouldn't know it if you solely paid attention to the mainstream media, but while President Barack Obama attempts to sell the country on hundreds of billions in new stimulus spending and $1.5 trillion in new taxes, his Administration is smack in the middle of several growing scandals: the Operation Fast and Furious gun-running debacle and the crony capitalism wrongdoing involving Solyndra and LightSquared.

Given this and his record of the last 3 years, what kind of credibility will he have when he faces the UN?

It's time the media start demanding answers.

EvaPeron

President Barack Obama’s got a decidedly downbeat message from his hometown newspaper on Monday – please don’t run for re-election.

The message did not come directly from the Chicago Tribune, but from a distinguished member of its editorial board, Steve Chapman

Even so, the fact it was printed in the Windy City’s most prominent newspaper, which endorsed Obama in 2008, is a major blow to the presiden

Eva

FYI: Steve Chapman is a Conservative Columnist and Political Commentator

His twice-a-week column appears in the Chicago Tribune; which btw is a right wing newspaper.

Yes, the trib did, a first

Know your facts; Eva

Even so, the fact it was printed in the Windy City’s most prominent newspaper, which endorsed Obama in 2008,

They held their nose & endorsed President Obama because they're smarter then a 5th grader and couldn't support Gidget & the Geezer!

Steve Chapman? The right wing hack writing in a right wing publication?

Now there's a stretch! lmao!

“Someone said that when a man is smitten with a beautiful woman, he should remember that somebody somewhere is tired of her"

Good Lord! I think we all know, a man who gets tired of a beautiful woman is suffering from "low-T." (If you don't know what "low-T" is you probably don't watch much TV and all those infernal commercials for pills to fix the condition! Good for you!)

It is not the Replicans pitting Muslims against Christians, it is their Muslim faith. Their teachings say to either convert or kill non Muslims. If they are a good Muslim, then by default they are against Christains, and nothing any political party can say will change that.

I find it hard to fathom why we continue to call it a religion. I think the "convert or kill" clause should exclude this from being considered a religion and they should lose all freedoms and tax benefits that protect religions.

Remember this the next time Conservatives whine in phony outrage about being called bigots. You can hear the same language on virtually every talk radio show on almost any day. Of course maybe it's just because they have reason to fear Muslims...then again maybe they're just bigots.

Obamba should give his speach in EBONICS so all his voters can understand

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/09/7685819-first-thoughts-pass-this-bill?last=1315968613&threadId=3218490&commentId=58045625#c58037111

Not all Conservatives are bigots, of course, but it doesn't really matter when you tolerate it within your group. The FR Conservatives who were having good fun with the movie "The Help" a few days ago missed that, apparently.

Lets not forget the Lib-R-Us group, who will often flag a comment as advertising to delete it altogether.

EvaPeron

Steve Chapman is a columnist for Reason, a Koch Funded rag.

Another Texas Republican for President?

Why Rick Perry could be a serious contender for the White House

Steve Chapman | June 23, 2011

http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/23/another-texas-republican-for-p

• reason.org
• reason.com
• reason.tv

You could see it in their furious attacks yesterday, the Right is panicked over President Obama's proposal of a "Buffett Rule." As always Round 2 comes in the form of lies and distortions. First distortion is to trot out statistics for the top 10%. The problem isn't IN the top 10%, it's in the top 1% and gets worse as one moves further to the top. Second distortion is to come out with new statistics excluding Capital Gains from the analysis.

The ultra wealthy use variations on Capital Gains to shelter the vast majority of their income. That's the scam they use to pay a lower effective tax rate than the middle class. All the lies from the Right won't change that, only hide it.

The GOPTP HAS NO PLAN to produce jobs. Their only mission is to protect the wealthy elites who fund their campaigns. Only President Obama has a plan that will increase demand in this economy;

Write the Buffett Rule into the tax code.

Pass the American Jobs Act.

“Someone said that when a man is smitten with a beautiful woman, he should remember that somebody somewhere is tired of her.

Well that is just a purely sexist statement made by Chapman. What a pile of $#@!. Negates his ability to reason or write for that matter.

Bev, the corrupt Chicago organizer..... we are really getting tired of your irrelevant cut and past jobs! Go make another batch of mojitos for redwig and take a break for a while. Better yet squeeze $20 out of your piggy bank and go purchase an online literacy class. Cut and Paste is no replacement for individual thought!

So Fiesty thinks Joe Walsh is a terribly horrible corrupt human being.

So I wonder how she feels about the fine folks at Solyndra - you know the ones invoking the 5th Amend?

You know the one about self incrimination?

Fiesty? Any of you libbies?

John B - "they use variations of the capital gains to shelter the vast majority of their income."

What the heck are you talking about?

It is very clear you know nothing about this - capital gains, "shelter" or basic taxation.

John stop parroting ThinkProgress- really making you sound dumb.

Or maybe you can explain? I'm guessing that'd be a no.

Joe,

I don't have FACTS,...but I ASSUME they file police reports,...open investigations, you know, what any law abiding citizen would do.

I guess the real error in my assumption is that Repubs are law-abiding? LOL, my bad.

Oh man John B - is the best example of why this whole tax thing is going to ruin Obama.

They are just that clueless.

Our man John very clearly has no idea what capital gains are, why they are taxed at a different rate, and certainly has no understanding of what "sheltering income" means.

John, dude, you need to get some basic facts straight before you even try to post on this subject.

Can you do that for us?

John,

Remember this the next time Conservatives whine in phony outrage about being called bigots. You can hear the same language on virtually every talk radio show on almost any day. Of course maybe it's just because they have reason to fear Muslims...then again maybe they're just bigots.

How is repeating the ideals behind the Muslilm "religion" being bigoted against it?

They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you may become alike. Take not, therefore, friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them". (ch4:88-89).

And many people died in this country due to teachings such as these, so if it s fear it is justified. If it is anger it is justified. What is NOT justified in my opinion is allowing them to continue to be recognized as a religion.

And while the context can be argued repeatedly, their teachings reference killing others based on their religious differing beliefs, or at the minimum taxing and controlling others based on these beliefs.

I fail to find how pointing this out is bigotry against them. And suggesting a common rule to disallow "religion" status to cults that have such tennants of faith that include killing others as part of their faith just makes sense.

Spanky -- We let the bankers and Wall Street off the hook. Malfeasance at its finest.

As a lawyer you should know better than to question anyone for invoking their Constitutional right Spanky. The investigation continues so we shall see.

Thetotas

You are another troll who chooses to carry the lies a bit too far. This one's been covered. Deletions only occurred to the subject (a re-reg, I might add) when we thought we'd been hacked.

So your comment 'often' is a bald faced lie,...I bet you feel important sitting there on your throne with your 'made up' facts. I guess we just can't be as righteous as you and your stalking when you felt someone else had been wronged? You are such a phony hypocrite.

Get over it,...everyone else has.

Second distortion is to come out with new statistics excluding Capital Gains from the analysis.

So how do rich people get capitol gains? Maybe from investing? Does this activity not put capitol into the hands of businesses who in turn create jobs?

I think the rules on capitol gains taxe rates were made exactly for this reason. To encourage such activity.

So now, if we discourage this activity by reversing the tax benefits then ....... hmmmmm

Wonder why this is so hard to grasp?

Another troll carrying the lies a bit too far

Poor dear is still spinning her wheels trying to get someone, anyone to pay attention to her! lmao

The most effective way to deal with the fraud is IGNORE her...

I'm not sure which ones the biggest attention whore - her or the nut job from NJ!

Neither one have ever recovered from being voted the least likely to succeed in high school!

It's as true today as it was then! ;o)

Spanky, if you'll recall there was a huge dust up here over the difference between Capital Gains and Carried Interest, the largest mode of compensation for hedge fun managers due to the preferential tax rates.

So how's about you just lay off the ad hominem and deal with the facts...these variations on tax rates allow the very wealthy to pay a more favorable tax rate than that paid by the middle class.

Write the Buffett Rule into tax law.

Pass the American Jobs Act.

Feisty and Clara,

Sorry, not so easy to dismiss these as lies. You forget that this information was posted for everyone to see.

You may continue, but you have zero credibility

Feisty,

You where banned yesterday? I guess spewing your hate here is not enough.

Again, Pathetic.

dsdsherm, how did we end up in the worst recession since the Great Depression if that preferential treatment of Capital Gains is so effective?

In fact, when it became advantageous to pay top executives in stock options, Carried Interest, and other such means the downfall of the American economy was ensured. The CEO class recognized quickly that they could the new reality centered around making next quarter's P&L LOOK stronger even if they sacrificed long term viability to do so. Selling off properties, deferring maintenance, firing knowledgeable and productive personnel in favor of cheaper newbies, eliminating R&D and new product development, and a raft of other things inadvisable over the long term but giving a quick hit to the bottom line have become the norm. These are the things that companies once did only when they found themselves in danger of immediate demise. Now it's SOP among American business.

You where banned yesterday?

Actually, I was suspended for a day - not that I expect you to understand the difference!

You may continue

I'm sorry but what makes you think I answer to YOU?

Check your ego at the door babe - you're inconsequential!

PS: You can slice & dice it anyway you want sweetie - you're still a liar and all the whining ain't gonna change a thing! ;o)

I'll give you credit though, you sure seem to enjoy making a FOOL out of yourself! lol

Spanky -- Capital Gains tax laws are used for sheltering money from higher taxation all the time. Really, look it up. In some cases taxes are delayed forever. What planet you living on???!!!

We can put anybody we want on ignore. Some conservative posters just post the same lies over and over and I for one don't have to read them. Some are just nasty comments with never a intelligent thing to say. You want to be read and not put on ignore, you need to state facts not faux censored news repeats.

Your daily hate for President Obama is not going to change my mind so why read the crap?

Me not choosing to read a post is personal freedom which conservatives use to be for. Collapsing post that violate none of the rules is just squashing freedom of speech.

The conservatives collasping post just makes me more determined to vote for President Obama. The republicans may not have an argument, but they sure can take away your rights of freedom of speech. The only freedom the conservatives seems to value is their right to take yours away.

Any vote for any republican is a vote to end your freedom in America.

and one more time,.. because the trolls just can't seem to get enough of it:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/24/6933237-first-thoughts-eyeing-the-general-election?last=1309018168&threadId=3158945&commentId=55352949#c55300369

I normally wouldn't bother; but I happen to KNOW there are new posters who weren't privy to it.

You are a liar, totas. You know it, I know it and many others know it. My credibility is just fine; but your fertilizer spreader appears to be quite broken.

PS. Banned and suspended are not the same words,...although you do have a certain Palinesque way of word salad shooting.

Don't Carry and John B - you guys really ought to look up the definition of shelter, cause it does not mean what you think it means.

But I bet neither of you have ever actually read the Internal Revenue Code on any subject, let alone capital gains.

Right John? Right Don't? So stop being so blatantly ignorant, or at least have the good sense to keep your ignorance to yourselves.

Oh and fellas - I don't suppose either of you has the foggiest notion why the capital gains rates were put in place OR who drafted them?

And for you my mindless dreamer John B - The Buffet rule will never, ever happen. Obama knows that. Why else are we talking in broad generalities? Where is the actual law?

You really think Obama would put something like that in writing? Really?

Dream on.

Libbies talking taxes - always a bad idea. :)

fertilizer spreader appears to be quite broken

Speaking of manure spreaders... where's JS1 today?

She must be getting a much needed 'tune up'! lol

PS: Thanks Clara for putting that link up - anyone interested can read it then decide who's credibility challenged!

Aw Clara Bell did you take a banned or a suspended vacation?

Like Fiesty did yesterday?

Well I hate collapsing and banned/suspended. Of course I have never been either, but let everyone have their say.

It's always much more fun that way.

Well AF, you got me there.

Voting for Obama to get back at the people who collapse posts on First Read is actually the very best reason I have heard so far to consider voting for him.

Wow.

See, skip is right! There are certain posters who bring nothing to this page. I have had theotas on ignore since she posted a comment without attribution. No point in reading her nonsense!

But as to flagging and collapsing? Only the most egregious things should be flagged, those that are vulgar or threatening. The rest of it...who cares?

Brianb-999431

Beverly - you are so full of crap you stink.

Our president has taken a stand against Israel. He is in full support of the Palestinian statehood. If the Palestinians were to have a state, just exactly where would it be located?

Brianb- get it right baby.

President Obama did not take any different stance against Israel than Previous presidents.

To anwer you question they can go back to Europe where they came out of when they choose Judaism in the 8th century over Islam and Christianity to avoid annihilation during the Crusades.

Benjamin Netanyahu: President Obama deserves 'badge of honor'

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64034.html#ixzz1Yc57JRnM

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Take that Brianb baby and Perry the Gov Killer-in-Chief with absolute no foreign credentials

Speaking of crap, how's that smelly sh!t FOX NOISE left in your pig trough?

they can go back to Europe where they came out of when they choose Judaism in the 8th century over Islam and Christianity

Careful Bev, your bigot is showing........

Beverly - do you even know how to post a coherent thought? President Obama is definitely taking an anti-Israel stance. It is as blatently obvious as your inability to string two words together that make sense. When you are for the Palestinians, you are against Israel, it's as simple as that. Palestinians have a charter. In that charter they state that they want Israel destroyed and pushed back into the sea. Maybe you aren't aware that this battle has been going on for centuries.

Who chose Judiasm in the 8th century Bev? That statement doesn't even chime in with my original comment. If you are referring to the Jewish people going back to Europe, does that make you an anti-semite? Do you hate the Jewish people Bev? Were you proud of Hitler for killing 6 million jews?

Since I really don't know what you are talking about... and I believe you don't know either.. how about a little clarity? A hint - it's called Google. They will even write it out in clear sentences. Just post the reference along with whatever you copy and paste.

Spanky -- You are wrong. Not a "libby" either. I advocate entire tax reform. Enough said. Your post will speak for you in this instance. It's hilarious.

dsdsherm, how did we end up in the worst recession since the Great Depression if that preferential treatment of Capital Gains is so effective?

I would suggest we got in this mess due to many many reasons to numerous to list. I certainly do not think preferential treatment of Capitol Gains can be single handed blamed for this, and do not believe it is even a contributing factor.

In fact, when it became advantageous to pay top executives in stock options, Carried Interest, and other such means the downfall of the American economy was ensured. The CEO class recognized quickly that they could the new reality centered around making next quarter's P&L LOOK stronger even if they sacrificed long term viability to do so. Selling off properties, deferring maintenance, firing knowledgeable and productive personnel in favor of cheaper newbies, eliminating R&D and new product development, and a raft of other things inadvisable over the long term but giving a quick hit to the bottom line have become the norm. These are the things that companies once did only when they found themselves in danger of immediate demise. Now it's SOP among American business

So you believe activities such as these in order to achieve a short term capital gains bump actually took place? Typically activities which destroy the valuation of the company over time gets CEOs fired. While I am sure they want to maximize their gain for their compensatory stock options, usually it is couterproductive to destroy the company for a one time payment. The idea that a CEO would sabotage the company to maximize a one time stock option payout is absurd. The idea of options is to encourage the continued profitability of the company, as the CEO compensation is tied to its general success. I still think this is good, sound company policy and works to the benefit of the company and shareholders as a whole.

White Collar Auto

they can go back to Europe where they came out of when they choose Judaism in the 8th century over Islam and Christianity

Careful Bev, your bigot is showing...

You call it bigotry. I call it factual and fair; stiff collar. The Jewish people continue to build settlements on Palestian land. There is more space to build in there homeland Russia, Poland, Germany etc.

There is no biblical or genetic link to those exploiting the Palestinians.

Since that time, Jewish communities have migrated from the Middle East into ... Discover Magazine - Gene Expression (June 6, 2010).

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html

BrianB: Obama wants Israel to give up some of her land to provide a state for the Palestinians. Unbelievable. ... How would the people in New Jersey feel about having a chunk of their state taken away from them in order to give the Palestinians a state of their own?

And yet, this is exactly how Israel was formed in the late 40s. It is also one of the reasons for the ongoing conflict betwwen the Arabs and Israelis.

P.S. SPANKY -- You must be worried about losing your job, maybe? : )

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Here come the trolls 1...2...3... and they're collapsing spree...

EhHum...

It's THEIR collapsing spree NOT THEY'RE collapsing spree...

Let me help you...

THERE - as in a place (like over there)

THEIR - as in the plural possessive

THEY'RE - a contraction meaning THEY ARE

NOW you can move on to third grade English class :-)

Joe in Albany

Insecure & impotent is NO way to go through life

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Tell your husband Al he has my condolences on his afflictions. Too bad the impotence didn't stop you two from having Bud and Kelly. LMAO@U!!!!!

Joe... She will never understand that reference... they don't play that show on BET!

Returned,

BS! I have ask you once, and I will ask you again, prove it, and if true report me. You have done neither.

Spanky-

Aw Clara Bell did you take a banned or a suspended vacation?

Like Fiesty did yesterday?

Well I hate collapsing and banned/suspended. Of course I have never been either, but let everyone have their say.

It's always much more fun that way.

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Actually, Spanky... I have to disagree with you on this one...

I had a GREAT time here yesterday (on my lunch hour) reading through the threads WITHOUT all of Fisty Bedhead's nasty, hateful arrows. At times there was actually some nice discussion going on... not to mention some bread baking!

I would just love it if she was 'suspended' forever! (and yes I know Fisty that is a BAN!)

HA!

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

But as to flagging and collapsing? Only the most egregious things should be flagged, those that are vulgar or threatening. The rest of it...who cares?

So... basically EVERYTHING Feisty and Bev post! They constantly threaten individuals on this site and rarely do they post a comment that does not contain some vulgarity slung at those that do not agree with them...

I guess that is why we see so many of their posts collapsed each day!

Felden - In 47 when Israel became a nation, it was voted to grant them statehood because of the suffering that was endured by the Jewish people in Nazi Germany. If Hitler had his way, he would have totally eliminated the Jewish people world wide. There was a huge move at the time to make up the difference to the Jewish people, therefore the country was reborn. If you knew anything about how that land was blessed and promised to the Jewish people in the Bible, maybe you would understand the importance of Israel's existence. Since a lot of liberals don't have a clue about Biblical prophesy and how it ties to events that have happened, and are happening now, it is pretty clear that a lack of understanding exists.

Joe... She will never understand that reference

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Actually, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Nasty Redhead and her real Roselle, IL family were the inspiration behind Married With Children. And the fact that it was a hit show on FOX for so many years is just icing on the cake.

You have the Republican Speaker of the house making analogies where the federal government is equated with a cocaine addict, and even though it was said in front of a small group of people that's the kind of wise ass crap you might expect from a guy like Forrest Grump but not the the 3rd or 4th most powerful man in the US government. These are elected representatives of our great nation. Ha you people pick on unions, well when I'm at work I sure as hell represent myself, my employer and my union in a far more professional, respectful, and positive manner when dealing with the employers, his customers, and everyone else involved. Maybe this guy is drunk in public, most of the rest of us who work for a living have to pee in a cup from time to time, I guess so you don't screw up on the job and act like the top republican representing The United States of America. As a union Shop Steward I would have a little talk with John and explain to him that if you want to continue to make the fabulous pay and benefits you receive you are going to have to be a productive, professional, positive asset to your employer and all of his customers or you are going to get yourself and maybe others fired, so straighten up and fly right John.

And for you my mindless dreamer John B - The Buffet rule will never, ever happen.

Why not? Raising taxes on the wealthy is an idea which enjoys STRONG majorities in every poll. Why are Republicans protecting the wealthy elites at the expense of the vast majority of their constituents?

So you believe activities such as these in order to achieve a short term capital gains bump actually took place?

Believe? I've watched it happen. A lot of people in the working world have seen it happen where they work or worked as well. It's not just common, it's almost the new normal among the "creators" in our society.

I am here to agree with the moonbats everyone should pay their fair share of taxes. Its time to cut taxes on the millionaires that already pay more than their fair share. Also it is time for every American citizen to either pay their fair share or take less from the government. Before you raise taxes on anyone at least have those that take and never give only take what is required for food and shelter. Stop asking people who get up and go to work everyday to pay taxes while you draw money from federal goverment, but still drive a car, watch a tv, drink alcoholic beverages and smoke or use tobacco. I don't smoke and I don't drink a but I can afford it and I do not want the taxes I pay to used for it

The top 2% pays 70% of taxes while controlling 85% of wealth. Millionaires and Billionaires average a 17% effective tax rate while the middle class is in the mid 20s.

Only in the world of Ayn Rand and the John Birch Society is that paying more than their fair share.

All of the problems we are facing such as, long term solvency of SS and Medicare, 14 million unemployed, several states needing assistance because of fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, and floods, depending on oil for energy and transportation, crumbling roads and bridges, and the deficit which we decided last week would be referred to from now on as "The Giant Debt Turd" and everything else can be solved only by letting the extremely wealthy and corporations keep more of the money they make off of us. That is the solution, the one of only two solutions (the other being deregulation) republicans have to offer. So it is that simple if you think that letting corporations and the biggest shareholders of those corporations keep more of the money they "earn" will solve all of these problems vote republican, if you think that is silly, that we will have to be more clever, determined and innovative than that to improve or solve these problems vote democratic. If you still believe doing less will turn out to be more productive then vote republican, if you believe doing less only turns out to be less productive then vote democratic. Make up your mind does less turn into more, or is less just less, does two plus two = four - democratic math, or does two minus two = five! - republican math. Now that was easy, I made up my mind.

Calling us moon-bats reminds me of another Bob who calls us moon-bats.

Do defend those poor, poor millionaires. The republicans have made sure they have sacrificed nothing so far, and the republicans can't see why we want to start now. How can we be so cruel to ask millionaires and billionaires to pay a fair tax?

When we ask the poor to sacrifice we are being fair, but when we ask the rich to sacrifice it is suddenly class warfare.

Surely the old can go without health-care before we could ask the rich for anything. Surely the country can go down the tubes but by all means do not ask those that have made the most off of our country to contribute.

The republicans have been calling it socialism for years now and that's not working, so on to class warfare. One thing you need to remember that these radio and television fear jockeys are concerned about there own tax cuts, not the need of the nation or its people.

Any rich person who does speak for the nation before the rich is deemed a bad guy and run down by faux and conservative poster on this site.

For the love of America Obama 2012

Hey if we just let corporations operate tax free and with no regulations whatsoever to constrain them, everything will get better! They always do whats right for America unless they are prevented from doing so by pesky regulations and taxes. Stop punishing corporations, let them get on with the business of making this a better America for all.

For starters Bev. If someone is a murderer, I'd say there is a pretty good chance they'll committ other crimes too. As for being Black increasing the possibility of a criminal being a future danger, well Blacks only make up 12% of our total population yet committ OVER 60% of all violent crime. That is a staggering fact worth thinking about. Make of it what you will but remember: FACTS aren't bigoted and neither are statistics. Not that any of that has anything to do with dirtbags on deathrow getting what they deserve.

Today, Texas will be executing one of the dirtbags that dragged James Byrd to death behind a truck in 1997. Will you be shedding any tears over THAT execution? Didn't think so. I won't either. The guy deserves it.

The only sad thing about one of James Byrd Jr.'s murderers being put to death is that it took so long for Byrd and his family to finally receive justice.

Damage123

For starters Bev. If As for being Black increasing the possibility of a criminal being a future danger, well Blacks only make up 12% of our total population yet committ OVER 60% of all violent crime. That is a staggering fact worth thinking about. Make of it what you will but remember: FACTS aren't bigoted and neither are statistics

in Texas 50 percent of all prisoners incarcerated in state prisons and two-thirds of all those in jails for “drug delivery offenses” are African Americans.

Damage

You're a f***ing, dirtbag, racist. your rationalization and facts are so flawed and they reek with bigotry. 60% of 12% of America's population ought to raise your eyebrows

Incarceration vs. Education: Reproducing Racism and Poverty in America

There is overwhelming evidence that the overrepresentation of blacks in prisons is largely due to discrimination in every phase of the criminal justice system. According to the 2007 ACLU study, for example, African Americans comprised 11 percent of Texas’ population, but 40 percent of the state’s prisoners. Blacks in Texas are incarcerated at roughly five times the rate of whites. Despite the fact that blacks statistically represent fewer than 10 percent of drug abusers, in Texas 50 percent of all prisoners incarcerated in state prisons and two-thirds of all those in jails for “drug delivery offenses” are African Americans.

A similar pattern is found within the juvenile justice system. According to the same study, African-American youth amount to 15 percent of all American juveniles. However, they represent 26 percent of all juveniles who are arrested by the police nationwide. They are 58 percent of all youth who are sentenced to serve time in state prisons. In California, Latino youth are two times more likely than whites to be sentenced to prison; for African-American youth in California, it is six times the incarceration rate.

http://urbanhabitat.org/node/280

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Damage, Are you aware of the Pris0n industrial compound which the plutocats want to privatize? See AZ Jan Brewer

Regarding the execution,

...let he who is without sin inject the first medication....

Come on Parry supporters - one way or the other. Which will it be?

Damage123

We need class rooms not racist jail cells; Teachers not wardens.

THE RINGLEADER

Jon Burge tortured and abused suspects who were black men into committing crimes they did not do.

Burge was permitted to serve on the police force for decades despite allegations of abuse. When he was fired, no criminal charges were filed. Plus Jon Burge got his pension.

http://www.copblock.org/412/chicago-police-officer-convicted-of-lying-about-torture-and-abuse/

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Jon Burge's pension was enough to pay a teacher's salary.

Mass incarceration requires something civil rights advocates have fought since the height of Jim Crow segregation—when black men were more likely to be lynched than to receive a fair trial in the South. And that's what bigots like you advocate.

Then Senator Barack Obama got cameras in police investigations in Chicago.

So get your jaundiced eyes straight you bigot.

Truth not crap.

Not stupid.....how about .....let he who is without sin jab a scissor, then catheter, into a late term baby's head and suck it's brains out.....what's the difference??? the baby is innocent, this man may or may not be.....