Might be the olny way we get good leadership!

Heckle & Jeckle - now that's leadership you can believe in! lol

Perry - The Used Car Salesman

Romney - The CEO Who Just Laid You Off & Sent Your Job To China

Leadership? Don't hold your breath.

I say, we let the rules be revised, and we hire a tag-team. Romney/Perry + Bachmann/Palin.

Holy Sh!t, Batman- a FOUR WAY!!

UAW Pleeeeeeeease

Might be the olny way we get good leadership!

I think you meant to say the only way to keep Ronald Reagan's ghost alive in America.

A great combo and we know they both agree that social security really needs to be reworked! This could be the ticket. The problems with SS has been a source of contention for a long time and it should be fixed!

Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500.

If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.

If you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you're 95 if you retire at age 65) and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month.

The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.

Entitlement my ass, I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!!

Congressional benefits ---- free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements?

We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless

In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan ......home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries!

They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.

Sad isn't it?

I see Obama's rallying the unions and poverty lobby again. A jobs bill heavily weighted towards union teachers, firemen and police officers and a deficit plan with added taxes against investors and business owners. Of course he already knows neither of these plans have a chace of passing congress. Obama isnt worried about this country he just wants to appeal to the liberals and hope he get re-elected. We desperatly need someone who will forget about running an election and start running the country. Sadly we havent had that since '08. It's good to see alot of inexpierenced '08 1st time voters have re thought what is important for this country to succeed and plan to vote accordingly......

It appears that Obama is doing everything he can these days, not to get reelected! The door is wide open folks..... !

UAW Pleeeeeeeease

I see Obama's rallying the unions and poverty lobby again. A jobs bill heavily weighted towards union teachers, firemen and police officers and a deficit plan with added taxes against investors and business owners.

It's about time. Those people made the Fat cats didn't carry their eight.

Of course he already knows neither of these plans have a chace of passing congress

But the public is squarely behind the President's job. Thanks to the President taking it to the streets. Republicans better hope a bridge doesn't collapse

Beverly - how does one carry an eight? Do you put it in your pocket, or is it a mind thing?

The public is not squarely behind the president's job like you liberals think. If you are referring to his job bill... you are sadly mistaken. The public remembers the $858 billion stimulus package that stimulated a little dust on the ground... all that money, for what? Shovel ready jobs? The president himself admitted on national television that it didn't work. I guess you missed that performance of Obama.

Man - why does all of Ill now hate Obama?

First you have the Sun Times running total smack on the poor guy, and now Durbin says the Jobs bill - that absolutely must be passes yesterday, will not even come up for a vote until October.

Now I'm assuming the Editor of the Sun TImes is a dem, and we all know Team Blue controls the Senate, so what gives?

Bev, Fiesty, you all gonna just sit there and take this crap from your own?

Where's Rahm when you need him? Oh yeah, he's busting head on public union members making those fatties cough up $50 a throw.

Beverly in Chicago

It's about time. Those people made the Fat cats didn't carry their eight.

Their eight WHAT Bev?

Yet another CLASSIC BEVISM!

What the Heck did she say?

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By the say Spanky... I am from Illinois (southern Illinois - just outside St. Louis) and believe me... more than a few of my neighbors feel that way.

You have to go to Chicago and its suburbs to find anyone that will even come close to supporting him!

Give us more on Romney-Rubio, boys!

Obama's numbers with Hispanics are already slipping...let's push 'em off the cliff!

Can you imagine the Rubio-Biden debate(s)?

Poor, poor, Joe...

One of my good friends is from So. Ill - some place called Eldorado. He used to be a total libbie - U. of I., but is very successful now and no longer can stomach the "fair share" argument.

Or like he tells me - "I paid well over $400k in taxes last year, I think that's ENOUGH."

Nice thought Mixed, but I'd be more inclined to go for a Rubio-Romney ticket. I suspect we'll get a Perry-Rubio ticket, which locks up both Texas and Florida.

I'll stick with Romney-Rubio.

They'll grab Texas and Florida, whatever Perry says or does.

With any ticket with Rubio for VP...we still get the Rubio-Biden face-off.

I don't want to give that up.

Although Rubio-Obama would be fun as well.

lol

I think the better debate would be Obama v. Obama.

We play a clip of him saying one thing, then let him try to rebutt himself.

Deficit, war, Gitmo, TRANSPARENCY, crony capitalism. The list goes on and on.

"08 Obama would kick current Obama's ass.

Sleepy Joe would have a tough time in a debate with anyone. Would love to see anyone of the candidates face him.... bring popcorn... lol. Sleepy is in over his head.... not even in the same time zone if he faced Marco!

Hmmm...

Obama vs Obama.

Hadn't considered that possibility.

He's always the "smartest guy in the room"...

Right?

There might be a conflict here...

That said...

Obama might win.

Obama vs Obama or actually - narcissistic personality vs narcissistic personality....... the universe may impload if that happened, oh my! lol

He'd be a "Formidable Opponent", at the very least..:)

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/186548/october-02-2008/formidable-opponent---business-syphilis

The right wing nut jobs have proven they've memorized all of the current tea bagger 'buzz words';

Narcissist

Desperate

Class Warfare

Hilly

And the list goes on & on... lol

Any of you parrots want a cracker?

I'm from a small farming community 60 miles south of Chicago. I've had many requests from folks wanting to know where they can get my "NOBAMA 2012" bumper sticker! Can't give the site here but you can google it easy enough to find a vendor.... very popular !

Feisty-

Oh my.

You're your own worst enemy.

Why can't First Read at least provide you with an editor?

Mark...?

Domenico...?

Stop it right this instant Mixed.

It's just not right to nail Feisty to her own cross like that.

Funny as all hell, but not right.

Rick Perry balanced the Texas budget with 6.4 billion dollars of federal stimulus money in 2010.

Even as Perry requested federal money for his administration, he railed against "government bailouts." Republicans are hypocrites.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm

"It's time to get someone in the white house that wants to help make America a better country instead of simply wanting to be in the white house."

Couldn't agree more. So, then, you are recommeding we KEEP Barak Obama in the White house, instead of switching horses in mid-stream? Remember, well over half the country is behid his revenue -increasing ideas, and damned tired of obstruction for the sake of politics.....

Dash actually thinks Obama is doing a good job. Talk about being brainwashed. Tell me Dash - what's Obama's latest golf score? It seems to be the only thing Obama wants to improve on. I guess he's getting ready for retirement where he can play the game everyday in some posh community.

Love the way the liberals rail against the republicans on a daily basis. What's going to be even more fun is when the pubs retake the White House from Obama.

If you don't think the American public is getting tired of Obama's inability to improve the economy, you have another thought coming... Everything this guy proposes is a dismal loser....

"Rick Perry balanced the Texas budget with 6.4 billion dollars of federal stimulus money in 2010.Even as Perry requested federal money for his administration, he railed against "government bailouts." Republicans are hypocrites"

Proving beyond all doubt that the poisonous 'stimulus' was mostly a political slush fund...a political setup.

Governors who accept stimulus money are now prevented by political correctness from daring to criticize the all powerful federal Nanny State. Take any stimulus, you must worship the mighty Obama.

Some GOP Governors refused stimulus money, especially for the absurd waste of money called "high speed rail" , or "Biden's folly". These Governors are bashed as insane for refusing "free money"!

It's a two way street to them Bob. Political hashing... Take it.. you do bad... don't take it... you do bad... The minds of liberals have to be working overtime to formulate the latest round of trickery.

DBO,

No, I do not think that Obama has the leadership skills to correct the spending problems. Telling everyone that collecting more money from rich people is certainly popular, but when you look at the amount of money the government could take from them, it only amounts to funding weeks of deficit spending. It's like telling a gunshot victim that you are going to paint their toenails so they look pretty waiting for surgery to repair their severed femoral artery. No open operating room on the horizon, but they can feel good good about having pretty feet.

Uh, Drive by - "mid-stream?"

He will have had four years. He's not made it better, but instead worse.

Plus get ready for some Carter like inflation, cause it's coming and once it gets here....

It's looking more and more like Obama should have spent his high speed rail money on those "crumbling" bridges instead.

Either that, or on Green energy companies. Those "investments" certainly have been the Crown Jewel of his administration.

Boy, you righties can sure twist the facts. Or cherry pick them. Or both.

You know who you are and what you're doing. Very sad.

Fielden,

Since you are responding to my post. Please tell me how I twisted the facts or cherry picked them. Obama himself said he wants to raise a billion dollars to get a job that pays less than a million. Sounds to me like he is pretty interested in the job.

"Tell me Dash - what's Obama's latest golf score?"

Golf Score? What, you afraid you can't spell Tele-Prom-Ter correctly?

And yes, Spank- 'mid stream'. You know better than to believe a near depression is going to snap back in...not 4 years, but 2.5.

But nice try- keep 'em coming.

You have got to look up. Not the tree in front of your face.

I'm guessing you will not be around here one year from now [too shameful at that point], so project - you really think this gets better by then?

Even the dems hate his new "plan." Durbin and Reid kicked it to next month cause they can't get enough votes, despite having 53. Right now they'd be hard pressed to even get 40.

Congratulations, Bob, on getting your question answered. I have a feeling Romney and Perry hate each others guts, so I doubt there is a VP match up there, although it wouldn't be the first time politics made for strange bedfellows.

Congrats Bob! Glad to see they responded to a conservative question for once. The libbies here all give high 5's to each other when one of their own gets a question answered... Nice that Amy stepped up to the plate... the other libs... not so much.

Kudo's Bob!

Amy B. Portland, ME

Congratulations, Bob, on getting your question answered. I have a feeling Romney and Perry hate each others guts, so I doubt there is a VP match up there...

Amy...

Do you believe that they have to be best buddies to be an effective team? REALLY?

Given all the news lately covering Jackie Kennedy's tapes... I would say that JFK and LBJ were not all that fond of each other... were they a good team?

I also question just how much good old Joe and Barry are buddies. They have so much common ground and shared experiences and all...

HA!

More likely, the thought of a Romney/Perry Whitehouse would trigger an Obama landslide in the general.

PS Did you happen to read Maureen Dowd's Sunday column on The Party of Stupid? Perry is really cementing the Republicans' reputation as anti-science, anti-intellectual and anti-pragmatism.

The mere fact that you & the rest of the right wing nuts are feverishly attempting to spin the 'primary challenge' tells us all we need to know...

You don't have a single candidate that can come close to beating President Obama! lmao!

Gee Feisty, kind of like you and the rest of the Left wing nuts are trying to spin the "Third party Candidate" option as a way for Obama to hold on to the White House?

You don't have a candidate that can come close to beating any single Republican challenger.

You are all so predicictable.

Feisty,

you are in deep serious denial. Political pundits of all persuasions know the President is in trouble. You can "lmao" all you want, reality is reality.

Political pundits of all persuasions know the President is in trouble

See that's your problem booby -- you listen to the pundits whereas I listen to the people!

You may now continue your regularly scheduled grazing!

Fiesty has her pulse on the finger of the people. She's using her index finger to feel the beat! ROFL!! (For those that don't know, using your index finger only gives you your heartbeat count, not the other person's)

Democrats are living in denial. The Obama administration is toast. I'm glad that liberals like Fiesty are so enamored by Obama... Let them focus on him... as the parade passes them by. Obama is going to pull all the cheap tricks out of his box as the election draws near... too bad they aren't going to work because serious minded people will see right through them.

Amy B. Portland, ME

More likely, the thought of a Romney/Perry Whitehouse would trigger an Obama landslide in the general.

You tell em Amy, The MSM is in the pockets of the RepubliCants. Those ludcrious polls they tout as the President disapproval are so dishonest. How is it over1/2 of America is not in agreement with RepubliCants?

Methinks because they poll Republicans.

Somebody needs to remind them how John Anderson "helped" Jimmy Carter.

And how Ross Perot "helped" GHW Bush.

On a state, and more recent, level. How Dagett "helped" Corzine.

Please, do, get yourselves a third party to run. It will give all the people who won't vote republican, but don't want to vote Obama, a place to go.

It's so fun to watch the libbies get in hissy fits these days... I think we will be seeing a lot more of it for the next 5 years or more. Economic recovery and laughs.... a pretty good future for America!

Look folks; we thought we'd elect a Obama because it was cool, he was trendy, he was blacks, and we thought it would make us feel good about ourselves. Also, those of us in this country who desperately seek the approval of other nations due to some daddy issues from their childhood, made sure he was elected. But now...Obamamania is over. The sheen has worn off. He's proven to be just what he is; a community organizer (whatever that is) who speaks great and talked his way into the White House with the help of the media.

It's time to get serious and put someone in there who knows what he's doing. If you Obama fans still want him to be president, maybe he can take his show on the road with a mock-up of the WH and Oval Office (like the Greek columns), he can have a fake cabinet etc... You all can go see him at Madison Square Garden or wherever and stand in line to kiss his hand, his azz, his ring or whatever you want to kiss. Just understand that he needs to vacate the office next year.

"For those that don't know, using your index finger only gives you your heartbeat count, not the other person's)"

you are thinking of the thumb...and you count your pulse plus the other person's with the thumb.

Thanks for making my point rick in savannah.

Why would dumb and dumber scare us? Bring it. the morman and the bible thumper.....lets go.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

See that's your problem booby -- you listen to the pundits whereas I listen to the people!

WOW!

The 'people' are contacting you directly? You really are amazing! What a powerful force you are!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

(funny... but I see a lot of people right here on this vine that are saying exactly the opposite of you... you sure are a good listener!)

Current political landscape would indicate that the choice could be between re-electing the President to a second term at the expense of losing the senate and republicans maintaining control of the house, or possibly retaining the senate and making a run at regaining an advantage in the house with a different candidate at the top of the ticket.

The President may be faced with the prospect of choosing between saving his own job or the jobs of the members of his party...

Oooohh, df...

Tough choice.

df - The President may be faced with the prospect of choosing between saving his own job or the jobs of the members of his party...

What would a narcissist do?

I'll see your finger-beat, and rasie you a thumb beat.

But I really do think, Bob, ya beat's off.

Feisty lives in libbie land. She may talk to people but I suspect people that will talk to her are of course of the same mindset as her. A reasonable person would write her off and stop making conversation with her in short order. But her and all her libbie friends cannot save Obama. Battleground states will determine the fate of this failed president. And a pairing of and two cans of soup would beat BHO in those states (and do a better job than he has as well)

fiesty - split votes suck against one candidate. let's see what happens as the pack thins out. say next august.

By then obama may understand what "it's not class warfare, it's math" really means.

AF, Stop encouraging the poverty lobby that it is someone elses fault they are poor or stupid. This group is worse off now than when Obama took office. His anti-business anti-wealth rhetoric is destroying any chance these people have of helping them selves. They have wasted 3 years on this hope and change. Don't encourage them to waste another 5 years on it.......

Rob if they cut social security and medicare in order to continue senseless police actions around the globe, bailout Europe's bankers, and continue subsidize corporate America there should be rioting and lots of it, you can't fix the problem through our corrupt political system, what should the American taxpayer do Rob, just bend over and take it, again? The people will reach a point when the in-justice becomes to much to bare, we keep moving ever closer to that point every time government bails out another wealthy banker or financier while at the same time asking working America to just suck it up and do without, it ain't right Rob and it can't be fixed by talking or voting. If I were the ruling class that control the government in this country I would throw the people of this country a bone, because unlike other countries if the people in this country decide force is the only answer they won't half a$$ bring it.

You know why the Repubbies are squealing? They know that this 'dream' ticket is really a nightmare. No way those two egos merge,...not going to happen.

Amy you do realize the 17% tax your refering to is on dividends corporation pay to stockholders "AFTER" that corporation pays corporate taxes. This includes anyone with a 401k. In efect the government is already collecting twice. The damage to the country was really due to a "Liberal" lending policy with mortgage loans gaurenteed by the government. Please educate yourself before you make a mistake voting...

Hey UAW Please, what would that corporate tax rate be? Not the rate that is called for but the rate these down trodden corporations actually pay? Spare me.

Depends on corporate income Bush, you can look them up on the IRS web site. But it's high enough that many corporations re-locate over seas to countries who understand businesses create jobs with lower tax rates. They also understand it is better fundamentaly for the country that a citizen earns a private sector pay-check and tax that rather than tax someone else and give the citizen a hand out....

Dividends are a function of equity, UAW - a good business model wouldn't drain the till especially during trying economic times; but rather sit on those profits until a more 'CERTAIN' time, no?

PS. There are BOOK entries and TAX entries,...try not to confuse yourself, sparky.

LMAO,...Hide the pickle doesn't begin to cover how we arrive at TAXABLE income, now does it?

Dividends a function of equity. Are you serious? Is that some sort of code meant to make people feel better about paying taxes like like calling it a Value Added TAX or VAT? Thanks for trying to help me out Clara but I've been buying and selling stocks about 33 years. (I even own a few shares of Berkshire Hathaway) I can appreciate Buffet's concern for his secratary paying a higher % of taxes than him. Although even he is ignoring that the 17% he pays is off of dividends from stocks other than Berksire. Those companies do pay corporate taxes in addtion to Warrens 17% personal taxes. (You see nobody who owns Berkshire pays any taxes on dividends now because Berkshire doesnt pay dividends)

The poverty lobby might get confused about your clueless rambling on Functions of equity, Book entries and Tax entries blah blah blah. Trust me there are alot of American's rich and poor that arent happy about thier taxes and what Obama is doing about it. Giving him more money isnt going to solve the countries problems. Let's vote for someone who has actually invested money, owns a company, has hired and fired people in his career. By all those accounts Obama doesnt cut it and his accomplishments as president show that.......

Rob, you've heard of an effective tax rate, right?

Guess again. Use a calculator this time. m' kay, thanks.

Rob I believe the 17% Amy is referring to is the net "actually paid" by most millionaires which is accurate, what the brackets call for is irrelevant, loopholes and deductions insure no millionaire pays 34% or 35% Rob, none, not one.

The Obama administration calls it the Buffett Bill, because Warren Buffetts' secretary, who makes $60,000 a year pays 29% of her income and Warren Buffett who is the wealthiest man in America pays 17% of his income, because most of his "income" is profit from his stock sales, which are not taxed at the same rate as other forms of income.

Why it sure is DBO.

And far be it from me to ever call anyone out for typos, mis-spelling, grammar, or ?

I love all, stuck w keys and all.

Why yes it is Drive-By-Instigator!

The main difference being that EVERY post that Bev submits is riddled with typos like that... Typos that make every one of her posts incomprehensible.

NOW... I bow before you oh perfect one!

Actually, I make lots of 'em myself, and therefore don't ususally comment on other's. BUT- when someone else does it, they become fair game.

See, Stu? Quite simple, eh? Don't that right, Spank?

We can only "HOPE" for that kind of "CHANGE." Maybe that's what Obama meant by "Hope and Change?"