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Subscribe to RSSLOS ANGELES -- Inside a sprawling ballroom at a downtown Marriott, Michele Bachmann last night addressed a crowd of about 400 GOP delegates and party members on the first evening of the California Republican Party convention.
During her address, Bachmann reiterated the core vows of her stump speeches -- repealing President Obama’s health care law, striking down the Dodd-Frank banking regulations, and opening up exploration of domestic energy sources.
“As president, I will not rest until we repeal ObamaCare,” Bachmann told the convention, describing the health-care law as a symbol a federal government grown too large. “For the first time in our nation’s history,” she said, “the federal government has said to all of us, you will buy a product or service because the government told you so, as a condition of your citizenship in the United States.”
The comment provoked scattered boos. “Have you ever heard of anything so malicious?” Bachmann said.
Bachmann’s vows, though delivered in the language of personal liberty, also form the basis for a prescription on improving the economy. “If we legalize American energy production,” Bachmann said, “we would create 1.4 million high-paying jobs.”
She added that “we have billions and billions of barrels of oil here in the United States,” and domestic energy opportunities are the “great untold story you don’t see on the evening news.”
It was on matters of foreign policy that Bachmann seemed to take her stump message further, offering a critical view of the so-called “Arab Spring” and voicing sympathy for Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak. “We saw President Mubarak fall while President Obama sat on his hands,” Bachmann said. “And we’ve also seen now the rise of radical elements all across the Middle East region.”
Bachmann also attacked President Obama for dismantling the shuttle program, arguing that the move will limit access to strategic satellites. “No other nation can touch the dominance that the United States has in space. But here again, Barack Obama has weakened us,” Bachmann said. That comment introduced an opportunity for Bachmann to pay homage to California’s most legendary Republican -- and with it came perhaps the clearest statement yet of Bachmann’s own foreign-policy philosophy.
“While I want to have peaceful relations with all nations,” she said, “I also believe that Ronald Reagan led the way again. He said that we have those relations with adopting the policy of peace-through-strength.”
At the end of the speech, there was a light moment -– showing, perhaps, that there is diplomacy in her approach, too. Near the ballroom, a band began playing. Soon, bass notes vibrated along the room’s thick carpet, traveling up tables and rattling the china.
“That must be the exit music,” Bachmann said. “I’ll have to wind up.”
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What's wrong with this picture?
She sure knows how to pack in a crowd! lol
Did she serve up some corn-dogs?
"I will not rest until I repeal ObamaCare." Michele Bachmann
The below article was written by Deaniac83 over @ The People's View- (partial article, too long to paste in its entirety)
Remember the Republican crocodile tears about health care reform "cutting" Medicare? Of course, what it was "cutting" was the extra subsidy taxpayers provided (to the tune of 14%) to private insurance companies above and beyond the cost of traditional Medicare.
The poutrage wouldn't be complete, of course, without the pretend-Left on a parallel track complaining that health care reform was really only health insurancereform, and it was all in vain because you cannot really regulate insurance companies to bring down rates or costs. Well, a report from the HHS proved both types of naysayers wrong: On average, Medicare Advantage premiums will be 4 percent lower in 2012 than in 2011, and plans project enrollment to increase by 10 percent, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced today. Of people with Medicare, 99.7 percent continue to enjoy access to a Medicare Advantage plan, and benefits remain consistent with those offered in 2011. This follows an earlier announcement that average prescription drug plan premiums will remain virtually unchanged in 2012. [...]
CMS was able to use authority provided by the Affordable Care Act to protect beneficiaries from significant increases in costs or cuts in benefits in 2012, leading to average premium declines for the second year in a row:2012 premiums are projected to be 11.5 percent below 2010 premiums.
When have you heard this before? In two years, premiums for private insurance plans down 12%? Yes, it's happening. And yes, it's happening because of ObamaCare! Contrary to right wing demagoguery, cutting private insurance subsidies while regulating it better under Medicare is actually resulting in better coverage. And contrary to ideological Left poutrage, the Affordable Care Act is proving that insurance companies can be regulated to give better outcome to patients at a lower cost.
As I have noted on multiple occasions before, the Affordable Care Act actually increased benefits to Medicare beneficiaries in the form of collapsing and closing the drug coverage donut hole and eliminating copays from preventive care. Quick recap: thanks to ObamaCare, Medicare beneficiaries now get better benefits at a lower cost, even the ones that choose a private plan. To quote Vice President Biden, this is a big **** deal.
It will work for more and more people as time goes on and the implementation becomes more complete. In 2014, insurance companies will no longer be able to discriminate based on pre-existing conditions, must abide by community rating, participate in an open exchange where middle class Americans will get significant subsidies to purchase coverage, and childless adults in poverty will be covered under Medicaid.
This is important to understand when we look at politics in general today. The focus needs to be on what works and what makes progress, not what fits one certain ideologically strident point of view. That's where our governance needs to return to. Political fights are a necessary and healthy part of a democracy, but the goal of those fights must always be to find solutions to help the American people, not just to have an argument for argument's sake, or to find rainbows and ponies for a given ideology.
This should be especially true for liberals. We are the ones that believe in greater social responsibility, especially in the public role for health care. We're the ones who believe in strong and effective regulations of industries to protect citizens and advantage consumers. Through the implementation of health reform, it is that vision that is being carried out and bearing fruit. Through the implementation of health reform, America is making the transition into a society where health care is the responsibility of all rather than a privilege for those who can afford it.
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Dear Congresswoman Bachmann: As the group The Buckinghams asked backed in the '60's - - DON'T YOU CARE?
"Soon, bass notes vibrated along the room's thick carpet, traveling up tables and rattling the china.
"That must be the exit music," Bachmann said. "I'll have to wind up."
I'll bet her first thought was: 'Earthquake!'.
When and if President Obama is defeated in November 2012, it won't be Michelle Bachmann who defeated him.
I doubt that it'll be Texas governor Rick Perry.
Or Sarah Palin, for heavenssake.
Who knows if President Obama will even be a part of the choice facing voters in 2012.
If the President continues on his present trajectory, there's always the (growing by the minute) possibility that Democrats will opt out on him as the Democratic Party nominee...that some Democratic politician, somewhere, will decide to take a shot at suggesting that he or she can offer more effective leadership than President Obama has.
If NY-9 didn't open eyes, nothing will.
You know I could swear the President George H. Bush held a 70% approval rating at the same time in his Presidency and we all know how well THAT worked out for him! lol
As for a primary challenger - keep dreamin bag boy!
His approval numbers amongst the Democratic base currently stand at 81%...
Keep spreading on spreading your hog wash...
Feisty, my dear-
I made no reference to President Obama's job approval numbers with his base...
Aren't the NY-9 electorate President Obama's "base"?
If they are...he's in trouble.
The "base" isn't going to reelect him...it'll take a lot more than that.
And...outside the "base", he's not looking good at all.
I'll defer to your expertise regarding hogs...and, how to bathe them.
Being a Californian I can honestly say she is wasting her time coming to our great state. But if it wastes Republican campaign money then come here more often Michelle.
You know MB if they did that, ran somebody else, they would get a lot of republican votes because lots of republicans are holding their noses with regards to their current primary field, I am not advocating that democrats should but the truth is republicans do not want to vote for the candidates they got because they are great choices they just want to vote against Obama. They got stinky candidates and everybody knows it, even Karl Rove knows it and just about publicly admits it. Big time decent republicans (if there really is such a thing) are staying out till 2016 because at least some republicans think Obama is still a formidable candidate.
Mr. Grump-
NY-9 has a 3-1 Democratic voter registration edge.
What were THEY voting for...or, against...
When they elected a Republican to represent them for the first time in nearly a century?
Why on earth would they do that?
Do you think that...based on the record...President Obama is the best Democrats have to offer?
If so...Democrats will lose the White House in 2012.
You want to be the band playing on the deck of the Titanic?
Your choice, Mr. Grump.
'Will not rest.... Until every one of youse rabble is priced out of healthcare'.
Hear it only on the "GOP Cares" label.
Will GOP be satiated when we're rolling around in the gutter begging for mercy? Will that be enough for them, or not?
They are pissed, just like NY 26 which is exactly the other side of that coin, it tells me Americans are hurting so bad they don't care who might solve some problems they just want some effective action. It tells me America is gettting into one hell of a throw the bums out mood, every last one of them, it tells me no matter who they got they don't like it. I think any incumbent might be surprised and get his head handed to him in the next election, republicans and democrats.
You know the quote about kids and their parents (by Charles DeLint)... The problem with low-information voters is you have to put up with their leaders. And we're not sure which is worse. Gagh!
Not sure you're wrong about incumbents, Grump.
If you aren't...this incumbent President is gone.
Maybe Democrats ought to think about running a non-incumbent.
Just sayin'
Sorry MB I was not finished, I don't know what I am doing wrong but my posts often just have a way of disappearing into cyber space.
My choice (promise you won't laugh too hard at me) I like Bernie Sanders, but he as about as much of a chance as Ron Paul, maybe even less. All in all MB I think if democrats ran another candidate, it would be a push, they would piss off at least as many democrats as it would please. In all honesty my opinion is that against the current republican field Obama will be re-elected, especially if they kill or maim the jobs bill. Bottom line is people will vote to eat, deficits are a real problem but many people have the more immediate problem of feeding their families and republicans even after they tortured democrats on that issue in the mid terms seem to have forgotten that. My opinion is if republicans stick with the current plan and candidates Obama gets 4 more years, and there will be lots of new faces in Congress.
"NY-9 has a 3-1 Democratic voter registration edge.
What were THEY voting for...or, against..."
I have a feeling that you already know the answer to your question.
Did you not pay attention?
Or are you content with a baseless argument?
And no I do not want to be in band playing on the deck of the Titanic and I would not have been if I was on the Titanic, I would have taken a bass fiddle and turned it into a row boat.
There will be new faces in Congress, guaranteed, Grump.
I think there will be a new face in the White House as well.
If that "new face" turns out to be a Democrat...
This conservative would still consider it an improvement.
You know me a little bit MB you think a union man like me could get any traction in a republican primary?
Richard-348249-
Rich...
Unfortunately, First Read has a handful of posters who actually believe that the U.S. government imploded the World Trade Center's Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.
You've said that you regard the views of one of those 9/11 "Truthers" to be "spot on".
Just so we all know...
Are you a 9/11 "Truther"?
There you have it folks...
Bag boy's notorious pivot & spin... lmao
I believe the conversation evolved around democrats and the NY-9???
NO???
Lol, Grump.
The answer is no.
But...
In a Democratic primary opposing President Obama?
Yeah.
I love your chances.
Excellent point, Feisty.
I'm chastened.
So...
Tell us all what happened in NY-9.
Bring me back around to what you want to talk about.
I can't wait to hear about NY-9, Feisty.
The floor is yours.
How about just not lying? The Affordable Care Act is law. No one can just come in and repeal it.
And striking down Dodd-Frank banking regulation -- Can someone please explain why eliminating efforts to prevent Too Big To Fail has any traction? The sane people in this country are still wondering why a crap load of investment bankers aren't going to jail. Likewise, why are Teapublicans protecting hedge fund managers and investment bankers from paying their fair share in taxes on all those outrageous bonuses they received after the tax payers bailed their sorry arses out?
Teapublicans are like a bunch of zombies who want to eat your brains. Is there something wrong with the water in red states, maybe too much lead? I live in a red state and I use a filtration system just to be on the safe side.
NY-9 voters "are like a bunch of zombies who want to eat your brains."
Why else would a 3-1 Democratic district have chosen a Republican to represent them in Congress?
For the first time in nearly a century?
It's a riddle...
TP?
I often disagree with you MB, but I always appreciate your honesty. Now what the hell am I going to do with this cowboy hat I bought if I can't throw it in the republican primary ring.You should see how silly I look wearing a cowboy hat, even my wife said "it's a little early for your halloween costume isn't it Forrest."
lol, Grump.
It's all good.
"Are you a 9/11 "Truther"?"
As I previously stated: Ron Paul is spot on with his 9/11 assessment.
MB - Here's a blog c&p that might help you keep informed.
"Regardless which reason you accept as to why Republican Turner got such a big percent of the Jewish vote, don’t forget an important thing:
Orthodox Jews (who sixty-seventy percent voted for McCain) are a large percent of the overall ‘Jewish Vote’ results in this specific election, versus in national elections where Orthodox Jews are much less represented in the overall “Jewish Vote” count. As such, the margin of the Jewish Vote breaking Republican in this race is and looks way, way larger than it would had Orthodox Jews in this race been represented in the ‘Jewish Count’ as low as they are in national elections.
Yes, Democrats have a problem with the overall Jewish vote going into 2012, certainly in swings states where every 1,000 votes can make a difference. And yes, Turner and his team did a massive job in getting a huge number of the (Orthodox) Jewish vote which is trending right for some time now. Yes, Orthodox Jews in states from NY, NJ to PA, OH and FL are willing to vote Republican and candidates better court this base. But no. The NY-9 results do not suggest by any measure that the 78% of the 2008 nationwide Jewish Vote is ready to go 78% Republican in 2012.
Bottom line: It’s indeed time for The White House to panic over the Jewish money, em er… Jewish votes. But no. The political staff does not yet need to jump off the Chicago building which serves as Obama’s Election HQ."
http://yossigestetner.com/2011/09/15/pundits-are-missing-a-point-regarding-ny9-jewish-vote/
Essentially, NY9 represents a fraction of a 2% total U.S. voting demographic.
Looks like the Weeper of the House has something more to cry about!
LMFAO!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/17/david-lewis-john-boehner-primary-tea-party_n_967472.html
How sweet it is....
David Lewis - A 26 year old running on an anti-choice platform.
Just another slave to a miscreant ideology.
No wonder John drinks.
Look at what he has to deal with.
Hmmm...
So, Richard...
How come NY-9's Orthodox Jewish voting bloc hasn't tipped the district for the GOP more than once in the last century?
Any thoughts?
More importantly...any original thoughts?
I'm not interested in whether Ron Paul is a 9/11 "Truther". Actually...I was asking whether you are, Richard. I'm still asking.
And...
I'm going to assume you and Feisty expect the Speaker to lose his House seat in November 2012.
I disagree.
We'll see who gets that one correct.
Perhaps it's because no other President has expressed any sympathy for Palestinians like this one has. Obama has decried the spread of Jewish settlements into Palestinian lands, has expressed interest in a two state solution, and has given speeches at Cairo University.
All of this has rankled the large Jewish population of NY-9 like never before. Even Bush smooched Joe Lieberman. To date I don't think Obama has, but I haven't checked.
Young people are converging on wall street protesting the fact that the wealthy and corporations are not paying their fair share. The protest has going viral, these young people have spread the message out far and wide, at least a few of them came all the way from the west coast. So there you have it, young people get it, republicans don't, looks like Obama will have an army of young people supporting him again, they are not buying what the republican party and their candidates are selling. God I love these young people, I hope these young people inspire democratic politicians and all working people to grow a set. I hope it does not get violent, I don't think it will, so far from the few I have heard speak a little they seem to be damn smart kids, to smart to take this crap quietly any longer. I am proud of these kids, these kids are right, and I will support, encourage, organize and unionize them every chance I get. Shame on us for letting it get to this point, they deserve better than this, we owe them better than this, shame on all of us.
It had to happen sooner or later, and it isn't just the young.
Something tells me this movement will grow and grow.
After Wall Street, I hope Congress is next!
Above I said Obama will have an army of young people supporting him, I should have said may have, he better not take them for granted.
If democrats and Obama want the support of these young people they had better stop going along with republican policies they had better stop extending tax breaks for the wealthy, and corporations. These kids want somebody to stand up for them, they want fairness and honesty, they are too young too carry around a lot of partisan political baggage, they don't have blind allegiance to democrats or republicans, they will have a tendency to vote for democrats, but it is not automatic, democrats will have to earn their votes and it will take more than lip service. They will call out Obama and the democrats for extending the tax breaks, they have not yet learned how to be patient and sit quietly while they are getting hosed, isn't that great. Democrats and Obama better do everything they can to repeal the tax cuts or let them expire, they better get in there and fight for them. Obama better work hard for them and bargain hard for them, because republicans won't be his Waterloo, but if he don't deliver these kids could very well be. Unions and young people Rock!
Amazing that there is no video or livestream coverage by msn.
This link is the only thing going,right now, and includes live tweeting.
http://inagist.com/BreakingNews/115191238747095040/Livestream%3A_Occupy_Wall_Street_protesters_move_into_New_York_City_financial_dist
Apparently, President Obama got the message:
The young people I talk to ARE paying attention & they are mad as HELL about the disparity that's going on!!!
Here's the Teapublican's response;
"arguing that the policy had already failed to provide a sufficient boost to the economy."
What a failed statement.
A boost is a boost is a boost!
What is Ryan and the rest of his 'esteemed' colleagues sufficient boost?
Nothing.
Nothing but nothing ain't any thing at all.
I should have known something was up I went to a union meeting Friday night and I addressed the younger members I was going to light a fire under their butts about working hard to make their boss a buck and then bargaining hard for a fair slice of the profit their labor produces. When I started talking about the disparity of income and how they should pay attention to politics and what is happening in places like Wisconsin, they got all wound up, hell they lit me up, I could just sense something, they were into it, they were a little rowdy, I thought I was really getting through to them how important this is to their future. Ha now I get it, it was not me at all, I guess they have been tweeting, texting, and facebooking each other all week, you would not believe the number of people they come into contact with the way they do the social networking thing. Ha they were two steps ahead of my sorry old ass, I'm so damn proud of those kids.
I hope they can sustain their momentum.
My neighbor and I called in food orders for the Wisconsin protesters, and are ready to do the same for the New Yorkers and others.
I'm telling you guys... it's growing!
The networking I see on my Facebook page is not only impressive but encouraging!
PS: Great feedback Grump!
GOPisextinct-
Here's what a prominent Democratic political analyst has to say about NY-9:
"So was the loss local and unique, or was it national and significant? The answer is probably both. Did Weiner's antics damage the Democratic brand in the district? Probably so. Was Weprin (the fourth-straight New York Assembly member to lose a House special election) a terrible candidate? Absolutely. But with a lousy economy and Obama's disconnect with some segments of the more observant Jewish population (this district has the highest proportion of Jewish voters in the country), the loss cannot be blamed completely on Weiner and Welprin. A good Democratic candidate might have survived in this district, even with a bad economy and an unpopular president. Conversely, a lousy Democratic candidate would probably have won, albeit narrowly, if the president's popularity was high and the economy OK. Arguably, if Obama was more popular in the district, Democrats would have been able to persuade a more formidable contender than Weprin to run. So, in this sense, New York's 9th District was a perfect storm for Democrats. A confluence of factors cost them a seat they should have retained."
-Charlie Cook, The Cook Report, The National Journal, September 15, 2011-
Throughout the piece, Cook makes no mention of Israel or the Palestinians, and only a vague reference to "Obama's disconnect with some segments of the more observant Jewish population".
Barack Obama pulled in 78% of the Jewish vote in 2008. Presumably, the remaining 22% who voted for someone other than Obama was composed, in part at least, of observant Jews opposed to Obama's policies regarding Israel.
Charlie Cook suggests that Weiner, Weprin, President Obama's unpopularity, and a lousy economy are responsible for the Democrats' loss in NY-9. Further, he suggests that Democrats would have held the district in spite of both Weiner and Weprin...if not for President Obama's unpopularity, and the dire state of the economy. That would be the same economy President Obama's been running for more than two and a half years now.
Isn't it time to stop blaming observant Jews for the loss in NY-9?
President Obama is the far likelier culprit here.
I would like to ask everybody here a couple of questions.
1. Did you ever have a fight, in say high school, or even grade school maybe?
2. Do you remember the persons name you had the fight with?
3. Do you remember the names of all the people that were in your class?
What is it about human nature, that we can forget the names of all kinds of people who were nice to us, or at least did us no harm, but you can't hardly forget the name of the SOB that screwed you over? Is it just me or are some of you the same way? Please I do not want to change the whole theme of the thread but I would like a little feedback on this. It is relevant because people want to know if this will lose momentum and fade, and I am thinking when you get to this point no, no you don't forget. Does anybody agree with my little questionnaire experiment or am I truly just a grumpy old bastard that still has a pretty good memory?
I don't think general discontent will fade.
If anything, events point toward a tipping point for public activism.
Too many people are hungry, hurting, and fed up with the inequities of oligarchy.
Robert Reich put out a good article this morning.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/18-0
"Cook readily acknowledges some of his failed predictions. In 2006, he said he had "tread marks on my forehead" after understating the Republican gains in the 1994 midterm Congressional elections. In July 2008, at a time when U.S. Senator John McCain had for many months been the presumptive presidential nominee of the Republican Party, Cook reminded his audience that he had "written McCain off as politically dead just a year ago".[3]" ~ Wiki
Charlie's essay does nothing to support your conclusions, MB.
But, at least he knows he can occasionally be wholly misinformed.
He was dead-on about the coming wave in the 2010 midterms, Richard...predicted it early in the year, too.
What prominent political analyst, of either party, saw McCain winning the GOP nomination?
The guy was so broke he was carrying his own luggage in and out of airports.
What do you think Cook is saying about NY-9?
He's certainly not attributing the outcome to the views of Jewish voters on Israel and Palestine, is he?
Read it again, Richard.
Take particular note of his concluding remarks about the NY-9 and NV-2 results in the context of Democrats' chances to win the House seats necessary to regain control of that chamber next year.
That's a pretty sobering assessment for any Democrat...except, of course, for those at sites like First Read who continued to whistle past the graveyard right up until the eve of Election Day in November 2010.
Charlie Cook wasn't one of those Democrats, Richard...were you?
So maybe like I said MB people are pissed, they are fed up they will throw whoever is in out (incumbency here applies in the sense of democratic and not the actual candidate) if they don't feel that they are working hard enough to improve things. I said I appreciate your honesty MB I believe you call them straight, I think you would make a decent umpire. I can be kind of wise assey, I can be kind of flat out silly, but at the end of the day I got to play it straight in my business, and with two different sides with an aisle between them I have to walk down fairly and honestly. So here it is here is what you been getting at for a week, You are right some democrats are pissed at Obama, okay I said it, take a minute and enjoy it you earned it, HA. People are flat out fed up and yes even some democrats are pissed at Obama, it's not Solyndra, hell Solyndra would not cover the quarterly bonus checks for the guys who run across the street and get the coffee for the wall street gang. It's everything the country is dog tired of war, and debt, and cuts, and you name what ever it is because everybody is pissed about something, Obama is feeling the heat, how could he not he is the prez, and one more time, yes he is feeling some from democrats. Do you think John Boehner is feeling any heat from republicans?
It looks to me as I said yesterday, this could get real ugly for any incumbent, people get all worked up and want to fire someones ass, who do you fire, you fire who ever has the job, that is the only guy you can fire, it does not even matter if it is all his fault or not he was in charge he should have done something, that's how it kind of goes, the crew eff's up and the Foreman has to take the heat. Anybody that has ever been in the military knows exactly what I am talking about. Well fair enough it was his responsibility, he got a little extra pay to be in charge, and taking the heat is the other side of that coin.
I don't think that the democrats blame Obama as much for the way things are because many feel he has done pretty good considering where he had to start from and what he had to work with (I'll be kind to Congress and leave it at that), I think they are mad he did not fight even harder. Spanky, this is for you buddy, I might as well go all the way ( I hope you and MB are enjoying this) They are mad at him for being to republican, a little to tea partyish Ha happy now. That is why democrats are mad if they are mad, they did not like the tax extension, they are tired of seeing him compromise, even when he does not have much choice they don't like it. It is not his style but many democrats want him to get the republicans faces a little bit. Republicans have different reasons to
My opinion is this broke too soon for Republicans and I said what Obama would do weeks ago he would use the jobs bill to pin it on them or make them pass it and maybe do some good. They over played the scorched earth thing, not that they have no valid points about debt and taxes, but they are seen as throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They stuck to their guns with subsidies for oil companies,no taxes for corporations, pledges to some goofball, low taxes for the wealthy but then they said we are flat broke so we have to get rid of SS, medicare, we have to dismantle collective bargaining rights people have had for 70 years, they slashed government jobs, portrayed the very people that worked for them (taught their kids for Christ's sake) as lazy, greedy louts, on the government teat, and they layed them off in droves. Yeah people are good and pissed they should be. It may get real ugly for any incumbents.
Now these politicians will depend on a base that will stick with them no matter what. Everybody else is up for grabs if they are that worked up. It broke too soon for Republicans, people have 14 months to come to their senses, all this is going to be and is starting to come to a head to soon for republicans, Obama sill has time to put up that fight and he is, he is out there selling his jobs bill and pulling republicans pants down (except for Perry's because his are on fire!) and if he does that for the next 18 months he will be OK. The republicans base is not big enough, their candidates are not strong enough, and very few of the pissed off people are pissed because we have too many regulations on banks and corporations and taxes on the wealthy are not low enough.
Your Pal
Forrest, Forrest Grump
Mr. Grump-
Wait 'til young people understand that they're the ones on the hook for the baby boomers' entitlement programs.
Problem is, there's:
a)-Lots more beneficiaries.
And;
b)-Lots fewer workers to pay them.
To add insult to injury, there's a new entitlement added to the mix: Obamacare.
I always hated math...I like it even less these days.
They're going to pay and pay and pay and pay, Forrest.
When they finally realize what we've done to them, trust me...their reaction will make the Wall Street protests look absolutely tame by comparison.
Count on it.
Why is it the only time we hear this worn out right winger battle cry is when there's a Democrat occupying the White House?
Where have they been?
Say between 2000 - 2008?
Over 40 years ago I started hearing that Social Security won’t be there for me when I retire. It is !!
It is not and never has been about weather SS will be there. It is, always has been, always will be about how much are we as Americans willing to pay for a program that ensures a decent life for our seniors.
lol-
Don't worry, Dennis...it'll be there for you and me.
They'll pay for us.
And pay and pay and pay.
But...at some point, they'll realize how the table's been rigged.
Then...watch out!
That's actually what I was trying to say, Dennis.
You bet we'll get ours.
Anyway...
Thanks for the assist.
Mixed Bag, you can't change the people numbers, but we can certainly change the cost numbers at least with the medicare and medicaid. If you got those in line they are such a huge chunk of income that you could raise SS taxes and still have some left over. The problem is you got to deprive the health insurance and pharmaceuticals companies of a good portion of the tremendous profits they rake off the top. You got to go after fraud and waste, there are things we can do if we have the will to do it. You could encourage collective bargaining and support a system like mine where you earn your benefits from your employer, and then if you have a full retirement you don't get or need as much SS from the government, but you got to be willing to support those employers who share a little more of the money they make instead of stuffing every bit of it their pocket. You can't make those guys compete with slaves wages in foreign lands. There are lots of things we can do, it is only as hopeless as you describe if we go along with more of what almost every republican is prescribing. There are things that can be done. Geez MB I gave you and Spanky your props you don't have to try and depress me on top of it!
C'mon, Forrest-
I'm not trying to depress you.
The demographics regarding the future for the entitlement programs are what they are.
And...
They mean what they mean.
If you aren't depressed...you simply don't understand.
You do...so, you are.
It is daunting MB, but it is not impossible, we can make it somewhat better, I have no doubt about that, it will take a fight because to do it republicans will have to back down on the very notion that it can't be solved, and that you can't make corporate America and those who benefit the most from it pay their fair share. If we can't at least make it better and save it for the old and do it without breaking young peoples back then we are not the great innovative, brave, kind, smart, determined people of a great nation we always tell everybody else and ourselves we are. Screw that we got to fix it and save it, we got to put up or shut up as I see it.
Okay at 1.44 I asked a few questions about human nature, I got two checks, so now was that two checks that you agree with me that it is unfortunate but it is human nature and you don't forget the names of people who have screwed with you, or was it two checks for Forrest is truly just a grumpy old bastard that still has a decent memory?
My 'check' was agreeing that trauma is more readily remembered than casual experience.
If not consciously, than unconsciously.
(That's why I didn't have my son circumcised)
Speaking of experiences - The Cali straw poll might have some feeling traumatized.
Congressman Ron Paul (374, 44.9%)
Governor Rick Perry (244, 29.3%)?
Mitt Romney (74, 8.8%)
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (64, 7.7%)
Jon Huntsman (17, 2.0%)
Herman Cain (15, 1.8%)
Newt Gingrich (14, 1.7%)
Thad McCotter (7, 0.8%)
Rick Santorum (7, 0.8%)
Gary Johnson (2, 0.2%)
Fred Karger (1, 0.1%)
Write-ins (15, 1.8%)
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63758.html#ixzz1YL0Ogron
Ha There is a reason why they do it to you when your are a tiny baby, if they waited until we discovered that prized possession of ours, and we realized what they were planing to do to it, we would fight or run.
Thanks for your response Richard, I really am interested in what some more people think.
Ha You saved me Richard I was starting to feel like old Mr. Potter in "It's a Wonderful Life"
I would argue that the declines in job approval for President Obama and Senators Feinstein and Boxer in the most recent Field Poll (California's "gold standard" polling outfit) is even more traumatic for Democrats, Richard.
President Obama is lucky that there's no California version of NY-9 awaiting him.
He's got enough problems as it is.
I thought the cali straw poll was the version of NY-9.
Feisty is the reason why women are along way from ever becoming president. Women can't stand seeing any women other than themselves in charge of anything. Long before Hillary ran I predicted she would not be elected president, even though she was probably the best chance ever for a woman to be elected. The left denied her intelligence, the right saw her for a socialist. And what happened? An idiot who never held a real job in his life. An idiot who gave up his law licence because he cheated to get it. An idiot whos wife gave up her law licence nearly 20 years before because she also was not faithful to her profession. I a lot of idiots who voted for these cheats for hope and change and ended up getting slimmed like an elderly person who trusted a con man.
Feisty, I know you, tho not personally. You are a leftist's leftist and want unlimited welfare for nothing. You block chat like dams block water. You are afraid to confront anyone who will stand up to your racism, laziness, lack of fortitude or any of the other weaknesses you have. You think you are wise but have shown no wisdom. Hate is all you have and everyone with a clue sees you for who you are - an MSNBC shill that speaks nothing but hate, a name caller who never gets a day off or banned, yet uses your position as a whipping post for socialism, which has proved to be a lost cause so many times and is now taking Europe down. Stalin would be proud of you but I can't think of anyone else with a sense of decency who would. And Bev, case closed.
Feisty, I think "gentleman Bob" has a crush on you. Often little boys do not know how to deal with those feelings so they just pull the girls pigtails.
I know - right?
Another day, another Feisty Redhead groupie! *yawn*
Bobby lots of numbers sure is smart enough though.... lmao!
"legalize American energy production" - what the hell does that mean? Have we been drilling illegal oil wells since the early 1800's?
Don't ask me - I'm still trying to figure out what the hell a Government injection is?
Do you think Rosetta Stone offers a course on Bachmanese?
Too funny..... This woman is on level no one understands.
She very likely believes that her GOD has provided the USA alone an unlimited supply of oil. The atheists and agnostics and secularists just don't want us to be able to find it. That's what goes on in her head.
Kingo....Beckmann is A perfect GOP sheep..............................
Drill Baby SPILL ,,
Then let the Locals pay and Live with the GOP == No EPA , Disaster.....!
If we pumped every last drop of oil from beneath the US, do you think the oil companies would save it for US consumption only, or do you think it would get sold on the world market to the highest bidder as fast as they could pump it.
Bachmann has been throwing red meat from day one, but recently got on the terminology kick, with dangerous injections, forced purchases, and drilling as illegal. The woman is weird as well as very wrong. Michele -- it's called disease eradication, safety nets per the social contract, and we are currently drilling at record levels. You call yourself a tax attorney but you're only a bean counter, and a bad one too.
We could drill every last drop, and even if the oil was reserved for US consumption only, it would be gone in a matter of years. And jobs created by oil exploration/drilling are minimal. At least try for natural gas, Michele, we have a lot of it and it's cleaner.
And Mubarak? Until the Middle East peace agreements, it was Egypt that was always going to war against Israel. Mubarak overlooked the fact that Israel dissed the agreements, and tolerated the US, so I guess that makes him a good despot? Let's ask NY 9.
Forget about music, someone needs to get a great big hook and remove Bachmann from the pulbic stage permanently.
Legalize American Energy Production ...?
Deregulate and pollute.
when disaster happens leave it to Local Government.
More GOP trickle Down Taxonomics and the corporation has no Admittance of guilt......!
C'mon California, let's all wish Elvis a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
Happy birthday dear Elvis, happy birthday tooo youoooo...........................................................................hey somebody better blow the candles out for Elvis they are melting all over the cake.
Bachmann was on Leno..!@
He is a GOP suck up.
and Attacked Innocent God Inspired Bachmann.
Leno gave Bachmann the GOP Boot Sideway's from Question # 1 .
She isn't smart enough to Know the GOP Gave her the HEAVE HOOOOOO...!
Like on south park she is Just a TOKEN and Cash pack mule.....!
and Spreader of lies..
That woman in the Crowd came up to her and told her the Vaccination Lie ... But, Went into Hiding .. Where CAMP CWAZY...?
You are What u will alway's be to the GOP Miss Bachmannn..!
Sweetheart == get me some coffee,, Here's a Quarter Honey..................
The Truth only makes GOP Walk in Circles.......................................
And talk in circles... ;o)
U know what a Me - Bagger does with thier 1st .. 50 cent piece ?
Marry it...................!
Ques: What do you get when you toss a penny between two Republican Tea Baggers?
Ans: A mile of copper wire.
Giggidy
Pat Boston..Thank you for an important post. Can't believe nobody has referred to it. I know I have been guilty of judging programs and ideas through a lens of how it fits w/ my own overall ideology instead of stepping back and asking, but is it working, will it work, and most of all - is it the best we can do for the most Americans? It'll be a huge test applying such a standard to Affordable Health Care. Will we leave it in place long enough too give it a fair test? Will we judge its early progress fairly? When inevitable glitches arise will we seek to sharpen and improve it, rather than use those as an excuse to give up on the whole idea? I know I have a personal bias that while I suipport a market system in general, "for profit health care" literally makes me sick as a concept. The very fact that shareholders profit is the corporate goal and denying people care is indicated to achieve it. Now I have to look beyond my bias and ask honestly, but is this system working; at least better than what it replaced?
Thanks Pat
Marv -
Socialized health care is, and has always been, the answer.
It is the best counter to socialized warfare.
"Socialized Warfare"!!
I love it.
But all insurance is Socialism when you think about it.
Bachmann can't even get a Page on this Thread
Has been == is the NEW PHRASE.
The Reason the GOP Set her up on GOP Leno.........................................
I heard something, did you hear that, it sounds like exit music.
"Take our country back........."
"Smaller government except for my benefits....."
"Gimme my farm subsidies and foster child allowances, but revoke yours............."
"I like corn dogs......."
"Tax cuts for rich people......."
"More deregulation, because that worked so well for us in 2006......"
"Repeal ObamaCare........."
"Who threw that tomato........."?
*blah* *blah*....*blah*
Who threw that tomato? Now that tickled me, I am belly laughing GOP.
I'm glad you liked the quip Forrest. I very much look forward to your posts as well. I am a member of the Forrest Grump fan club.
Now that kind of tells just how bad things are in America right now when a grumpy old bastard has a fan club. But thank you very much, I am truly flattered.
Hey Forrest,
Ques: What do you get when you toss a penny between two Republican Tea Baggers?
Ans: A mile of copper wire.
HA copper wire, I thought the answer might be a half of penny because they sure don't turn down any "Obama Money"
Tee Hee
Tee Hee Hee
John has cooties!
Bachman might want to start interviewing ghostwriters for a book. Why should Sarah be the only one to suck on that Fox's cash tit?
I got a ghost writer for her story, Stephen King
Wow Tom! Just had a mental flash of a basketball player for some reason..........
Sarah and Rick Fox? I thought Palin liked white on Rice.
Bailey!!
You owe me one dry cleaning bill!!
I think Sarah likes dressing up like a moose though...........
Who goosed the moose? Enquiring minds want to know.
The loose moose got goosed in the caboose!
Geeeeez,.....that was spooky!
When these EVIL Union's were at thier Peak..?
What was the national Debt..?
When Fiscal conservatives had Total control 2000-2006
Look at the National Debt...?
Yep the GOP and No new WEALTHY taxes are the Unions Fault........NOT
Now THATS entertainment!
Yeah.
Where's that bushel o' tomatoes? I had it sittin' round' here somewhere.............
Care for some popcorn while we are watching (and laughing)?
Definitely popcorn !!
Maybe some pomegranate martinis too.
Not as,
How's your pitching arm?
Think you can reach her from here?
I wouldn't throw anything at Bachmann even though she's from my state. Oh, the embarrassment! I find just letting her run her mouth inflicts far more damage.
Sorry about your clothes, GOPisexticnt.
That's cool Bailey. Occupational hazard.
I calm myself down by filling my head with images of pushing John Stevens off his tricycle.
Crap don't get funnier than that!! It just don't.
I'm done playing...hey moron, global warming bogus? hasn't perry told you Texas is on FIRE????If not, somebody please tell him! We have fires and drought all over this state due to global warming. no, global warming will not destroy the world. no credible scientist says that. It will however CHANGE the world as we know it. Once those ice caps go(and we are losing miles every day) your new beachfront property will be Tulsa. That's all. now, poor bachman, I feel sorry for her. She went after perry and the establishment media went after her. They chose to deflect her criticism of perry by skewing her message. the main thing she got wrong was the numbers. In reality, perry got closer to 300,000 grand from merc directly or indirectly. no news organization really wants to hammer that though. BTW, our NEW UNemployment rate has jumped to 8.5 just as I predicted with the layoffs of teachers and support staff throughout the state. Most of the jobs perry "created" were government jobs in Austin.
If you republicans choose huntsman or romney, I'll vote for either(I'm voting huntsman in the Texas republican primary), anybody else, I'll write my name in!
He can't vote for Saddam Hussein in the republican primary John, that guy is dead, but if it makes you feel better he could have been the front runner for a day or so with this field of republican candidates and a few more guys like you.
HUGS Fiesty and sorry about this, but it's how middle America feels.we're broke and sick.
carville did a piece for cnn, what can obama do? he can PANIC! the way I see it though is a little different.
obama 52 perry 48
obama 57 bachman 43(scary that 43% would vote for this one)
obama 56 paul 44
obama 47 huntsman 53(probably never happen though)
obama 49 romney 51 (yet again, probably never happen)
the dems will lose both the senate and the house(they have been too timid and refused to fight so middle America has given up on them) we defended them as long as we could, but there comes a time reality hits you in the face. obama should have been hillary's vice president and gained some experience. now I fear the dems are lost for a generation. hope I'm wrong but.......
Hiya my good friend Leon!
Oh you're wrong alright... the President will win a second term and we'll regain the house (while possibly) losing the Senate!
Ordinary Americans are slowly waking up and realizing who is to blame for nothing getting done (Congress 13%)...
These polls don't mean @!$%# this far out!
The ONLY poll that will count will be election day!
You heard it here first my friend!
PS: Remind me again what political clout Carville has since the Clinton era?
Other then another overpaid blowhard who sleeps with a skunk everynight?
I know this is very shallow of me but geez that Carville guy looks like one of those aliens from area 51, can somebody lend him a cellular so he can phone home.
I love the guy but I've always thought he looks like a diamondback rattler. Hey, if he and Madalin can get along, why can't the GOP and the Dems?
Yeah it's shallow, but the worst part is the ceremonial tossing under the bus of any rational, critical voice from the left center or right by those whose allegiance seemingly isn't to progressive principles, traditional democratic constituencies or the democratic party itself, but to a single individual.
James Carville and just about anyone who criticizes the president has their appearance, spouse, personal life, past, all open to attack in lieu of a real rebuttal. Some froward leaning gentle soul suggested that Mr.Carville CAUGHT retardation by sleeping with a republican retard, his WIFE, Mary Matlain, so your sudden desire to make a joke of Jim's appearance and use an insult that was previously the province of right wing talk radio jocks is not only unsurprising, but could have been the subject of those countdowns so popular here...
Obama followers throwing ANOTHER democrat who dares to speak the truth in 3, 2, 1....
At this rate the road will be PAVED with democratic legislators, strategists, and former supporters before the next presidential election.
So you're not being shallow, you're exercising the only option you have when confronted with information that threatens your belief system. Jimmy's always looked like that, but now you SEE him differently because he criticized the President...
Leon is right...
If Leon is right, then I'm writing in John Waters.
"Divine" choice!
BQ:
"Bailey or Jennifer?", was the "Ginger of Maryanne?" of the next generation...Long live the mighty KRP!
Don't forget 'the chicken lady'.
Take it is easy dangerfield I have always said that about Carvilles appearance that he looks like the depiction of an alien, I have never said any more or any less about that, having said that I always listen and take consideration of what he says he is not stupid and he has been around a long time I always listen to the guys that have been around a long time.
Bailey, I don't know how they do it, best I can figure is they collaborate and make a living by trading on both sides of the same political coin. Which would be really smart, selling the verse and the converse to both sides, one of them always looks smart after an election, and they get paid twice even if only one of them is doing the work, or they just never talk politics to each other. I too have wondered about how they work that out.
Bush Lied for war
Good luck with the Impeach fantasy
The corporate media is telling everybody who Solyndra is ...? Seriously Who Cares,...!
It is another GOP & FOX Making Hay for sheep Food....
That birther one still Has the Base & Public Fired up .!
Truth hurts eh Johhny?
Dodge the truth much Johnny?
Bush DID do it!! Let the "party of personal responsibility" help you out with that.
John do you have a sponsorship from Alcoa or maybe Reynolds?
I think it may be the Koch brothers Forrest.
Why'd you ask about Johnny's aluminum interests?
I have always consiered myself fairly adept at following a train of thought, but Bachmann loses me every time. I hope it`s her and I`m not aging faster than I think. I don`t know the details on NY-9 but every time we have a low turnout here (Wash state) the Republicans do well. Let`s see what happens next year.
I was just thinking he must use a hell of a lot of it and was trying to get him some free samples and save him a buck.
Not sure he plans that far ahead Forrest.
Ever notice how he always seems a little steamed, kind of hot headed, if he keeps this up someday his head might look like a baked potato when he unwraps it. Not to mention it can be damn dangerous during a thunderstorm.
High blood pressure,...............not pretty.
http://zfacts.com/p/1170.html
Complete Proof of the $12 Trillion Republican Debt
Just below you can see the calculation and the documentation links for the Reagan-Bushes $12 Trillion ($12,049 Billion) national debt as of September 30, 2010. You can download this as an excel spreadsheet by clicking: Download as XLS.
Their debt has 4 parts, but the bulk of it is calculated from 4 inputs (yellow and tan) that you can check with the color coded links to the treasury at the bottom. This will verify the $3.4 Trillion Reagan-Bush debt and the $6.1 Trillion G.W. Bush debt. Together that's $9.5 Trillion. Now some of G.W. Bush's debt is really interest on the Reagan-Bush debt, so he is not as bad as he looks, and Reagan-Bush are lot worse because of all their interest. You can see that in the graph above.
Interest is calculated on the second sheet (tab at bottom). But you know that 17 years of compound interest on 3.4 Trillion is going to add a lot. So a $12 Trillion total is very believable, and if you want to spend 10 minutes you can check it easily.
And if you think Congress did it, you better have a look here. Under Reagan and Bush-I, Congress actually made the debt a tiny bit smaller than what both presidents asked for. And G.W. Bush passed his supply-side tax cuts with a Republican Congress. There is just no wiggle room. The Republicans did it.
Reagan Told Us How to Track the Debt
October 30, 2010. From Reagan's first speech as President: "A trillion dollars would be a stack of thousand-dollar bills 67 miles high. The interest on the public debt this year we know will be over $90 billion, and unless we change the proposed spending for the fiscal year beginning October 1st, ..."
Well he changed it all right, and when he left office the stack of $1,000 bills was 191 miles high.
So what did Reagan tell us about calculating his debt? (1) Start on October 1, 1981, and (2) Don't forget the interest costs of the debt.
October 1, 1981 is the beginning of his first budget year (fiscal year). He's right. He is not responsible for Carter's last budget year that runs until Oct. 1. But Reagan is responsible for his own last budget year, which ran until Sept. 30 1989. That's eight years, which is right for two terms.
Plus the Care for Wounded from IRAQ LIE
at $1 Trillion the 1st ten Years ++ Inflation for 40-60 years.....
Another fiscal horror Story handed and blamed onto the Dems................................
Bachmann is a loser, she should save us all the embarassment and quit.
I can't belive we've put up with her for this long.
She was the perliminary GOP Dog & Pony show......................
Michele Bachmann can't even answer her own questions, she has to bobtail on someone elses answer.
Bachmann the darling of the Tea Party will soon be out of the race. I think most everyone is starting to see that she does not have what it takes to be a true Presidential contender. Can someone please tell me why it took her 6 years of working for the IRS to learn the enemy? I can't help but wonder how long it might take her to get a handle on her Presidential duties in the event that she was some how elected to the highest office.
The RePOOPlicans love to have a puppet in the President's office. Their current strategy is to render the government as useless and dysfunctional as possible, they believe that if they can convince the people that their government is evil the people will let them take it over in the name of Jesus. That worked pretty well when they had GW Bush in there, all the big players had a hay day running rampant across the country and the world.
Can you imagine their success under a Bachmann Presidency? They could keep her endlessly distracted with imaginary issues while they continue their rape and pillage of the planet.
That Bat Phone to GOD..!
I Now have One and can Talk to God as Well...? LOLOLOLOL
What Lie do you wish to hear..............??
Bachmann is done. She gives a speech at GOP meeting, is the only candidate bothering to campaign in CA and Ron Paul wins the straw vote and it wasn't even close like at Ames. Ron Paul is one of the true front runners and Bachmann is the just background noise now, but she needs to realize it and drop out with Rick "let's blow up everyone" Santorum.
Anything for a buck......................
She is the GOP MOTTO....................