More Pro-choice Democrats:

[Chicago] Mayor Rahm Emanuel is giving city workers an important health choice: enroll in a new wellness plan, expected to be unveiled Friday, or pay a higher premium.

The price if they don't enroll: $50 a month.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Shape-Up-or-Pay-Up-Emanuel-129945248.html?dr

Wasn't it the Liberals that complete lose their minds when the government tells them what to do with their bodies?

Smiff - how many times do I have to tell YOU - you are NOT welcome to crap on my porch!

Start your own thread and quit riding mine!

Your stench is overwhelming!

Hey Floyd - you still got that backho handy?

From now, until Election Day next year, it's going to be about jobs.

Not the U.N.

The GOP debates?

You bet.

Because that's where the alternative to President Obama's real, actual record on the economy, economic growth, and jobs will be discussed.

Maybe Democrats will begin to take baby-steps to offer their own alternative to what we've seen.

Who knows, First Readers?

But will GOP end the risk/me-me-me-me excuses and create jobs for millions of Americans? Or will they pass up the opportunity once again.
Our President Barack Obama is out there fighting on our behalf to make jobs for millions of Americans. GOP voted down four jobs bills this year. GOP Governors have already fired 600,000 workers on the pretext of budget cuts.

ROLLOVER GROVER, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THE REVENUES FROM THE WEALTHIEST GROUP IN THE WORLD MAKING THE MOST PROFITS IN US HISTORY!

PASS THE AMERICAN JOBS ACT.

PUT OUR AMERICAN FAMILY BACK TO WORK!

It has been another busy week on FR. Thanks to our hosts who provide the topics and the place to discuss them.

Definitely ready for the DDI this evening. I hear there's an American Jobs Plan petition there to sign telling Congress to PASS THIS BILL. Have a great weekend everyone!

Bizarre. JS1 had the chance to go on a rant about the UN and blew it with a huge dump (shovel ready?) based on some blog--I can't find a credible source showing any interest in the Chicago wellness plan nontroversy.

Another GOP debate..snore... Cool about Bill Clinton on Meet the Press though.

Bag boy, how many times do we have to tell you it's not President Obama'seconomic record. We are still in the W Bush Great Recession, with Bush "trickle down" tax cuts, and deregulation, and spending on wars. We need change from Bush era voodoo economics, and we needed it yesterday.

The American Jobs Act is based upon present & past bipartisan support. Immediate impact on jobs and the economy is predicted.

The AJA gives a tax cut for small businesses to help them hire, expand and gives another tax cut to businesses that increase wages for current employees. It puts teachers, first responders, construction workers, returning veterans, back to work.
The AJA extends unemployment benefits to help support our families while we look for work. It also provides support via training programs to build skills and lift up the long-term unemployed. The AJA cuts half the payroll tax on our paychecks, saves a typical family $1500 a year, helps families to refinance their mortgages, save money and keep their homes and makes HARP more accessible. Tax breaks for small businesses and working people.

More info at http://www.whitehouse.gov/jobsactfacts?utm_source=email125&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=postojobsspeech">Whitehouse.gov. and http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/12/president-obama-sends-american-jobs-act-congress. Includes a section-by-section analysis of the AJA.

Nice wrap up, Domenico.

(You are becoming more comfortable in front of the camera.)

DADT is now officially gone. Wow...WOW!!!!!

Now, there is a reason to keep 'leaning forward'.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, is going to request statehood next week at the U.N. SC.

Not good, not good at all.

I think it is tremendous.

And, I look forward to a return to 1967 borders, and an end to the Palestinians inhumane subjugation.

Thanks for your work M, D & A.

AJA was not one of Steely Dan's best efforts, but still had some great cuts...

"Deacon Blues" Great song!

Nobody on either side of the house or senate is rushing to "Pass this bill now!" despite the President's urgings.

Maybe they have some questions?

I just read that one JAS1. Super funny that Nanny Rahm will force the libbies to exercise. in the end though - most people could use a little more exercise. Problem for Rahm is the $50 will not be enough. Let's wait till the little piggies start to howl when he hits them for a C-note.

I was also reading about the "other"/"missing" $458 million loan or guarantee to Solyndra that Team Obama made. When asked for comment team Obama chose not to provide one. So the question is did they give more money? If they didn't, and it was authorized for Phase 2, why not? Cause they knew Solyndra was going down.

Or my favorite - they simply can't be bothered to track a measly 1/2 a billion [more] of the peasants money.

Presidentin' is hard.

I wonder if Dominico know about this little ditty?

Pom poms in, and "GO OBAMA!"

So the little chihuahua thinks FR is a porch can mark as her territory, who would have thought that?

I would suggest Facebook Feisty, but I guess you didn't get any attention there, huh. Oh well.

BTW - Feel free to put up something of substance, worth responding to ..... It is always fun to watch JAS1 rip you guys to pieces..... or..... I guess maybe you've already learned that, huh, and that why you never do?

Dangerfield -

If they have questions, then they have no answers.

And, thanks for the Steel Dan 'shout out' and reminder.

Awesome duo.

It is always fun to watch JAS1 rip you guys to

HAHAHA!

You posted your joke in the wrong spot - it belongs directly below...

Hey Feisty! Is that music I hear from the dear old Dew Drop Inn! Gee, you guys have done a good job keeping it up! What oh what have we learned this week? Apparently, nothing, if you watch the Republican debates. Seems like there is a concerted effort with the folks running to try to appear as disinterested in the current century and knowledge as possible. Was watching our friend Chris Matthews, and he showed a clip of Perry, proudly bragging that he was tenth in his class. Now, when my cherub does that, it means that there are nine people ahead of her in a large class. When Perry does it, he means 10th out of 13. He thought it was pretty funny and I guess it might be if he didn't want to be the leader of the free world. Our friend, Michelle, not to be outdone, said that she met a mom who claimed that her daughter suffered retardation after a shot. Now, Michelle was not particularly interested in if it were verifiable, it allowed her to screech about Perry and his gosh darn mandates, so all is well in Michelle's world, true or not.

Feisty, where the heck is IR? Let's get this party rocking. Bringing some brisket that hubby cooked low and slow! My thanks to my hosts for a most interesting week on First Read.

They(Becker and Fagen) are at The Beacon Theater, about 8 blocks from my apt., starting tonight...it's going to be a great show!

Feisty, where the heck is IR?

I think he's over at the Come Back Inn doing some repair work on a certain chandelier that needed some attention! ;o)

Which reminds me, what I learned this week is these crazy conservatives find it acceptable to clap & cheer about killing people!

Whether it be via lethal injection or refusing to render health care to someone comatose!

I would ask if they have NO shame but I already know the answer to that! ;o(

PS: The brisket sounds delish - I'm bringing some deep fried mac & cheese balls to go with it!

Great venue, dangerfield

Dog...

Sounds good Feisty, see you there.

Thanks(?) I think that's "DAWG" (like Depitty Dawg) if that's what you were going for, but we're both (I am anyway) too o-l-d to carry that sobriquet...unless you were expressing ENVY, in which case

Yeah! They are actually doing an entire album per night. Tonight is Gaucho. I'm really looking forward to "Countdown" and "Pretzel Logic"...

Speaking of music

What about the second raid on Gibson, with armed agents. The first raid was in 2009, no charges where ever filed and the government still has possession of their inventory.

Gibson is attempting to have its property returned in a civil proceeding, but the Justis Depart is trying to stop court case indefinitely.

“The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.”

Lifestylenews.com

thetotas

They will have to pull my Black Beauty (Les Paul Studio) from "MY COLD DEAD HANDS!" lol

df-

Fagan & Becker were (are) brilliant.

Enjoy the show.

I'm envious.

Ha!

Take your Les Paul?

Let 'em try...I don't give a rat's a$$ where the rosewood fingerboard came from.

Or...how.

true patriot - the recession ended in mid 2009, since then it has been obamas recovery. Seems inconceivable that like many other FR libs you haven't figured that out yet.

Golly gee tp, obama had the power to get us out of iraq and afganistan immediately after being sworn in as POTUS, but seems that he chose to also get us into libya and didn't our state department start telling US citizens in syria to get out, get out now!?

Nice how obama and company has identified over 500 regulations that are stifling job growth (at least his speech last week said so). Gotta love how obama embraced bush's tax cuts by extending them as his own until 2013. Heck even obamas plan of payroll tax reductions and SS tax reductions are just another way that bush tried doing when he gave us all bonus $300+ tax returns during his term.

Shlt, just realized that obama is just embracing what bush did, only obama is going bigger and our mounting debt proves it.

I was definitely expressing envy, dangerfield.

They're doing whole album sets?

Dawg...

Sounds good Feisty, see you there.

Just make sure you aren't followed by the totas - you KNOW how desperate she is for companionship!

From the sound of her, friendship is indeed a foreign concept for the poor dear! ;o)

american-2051576 -- What planet do you live on? Why don't you do some homework on GDP, unemployment rates, poverty statistics, trade deficits, etc. and get back to us on how the W Bush recession is over.

And please enlighten us on what has been passed, other than the stimulus--which everyone said back then would need a second round, that DID create about 3 million jobs that can be attributed to President Obama. Or have you already forgotten the threats to shut down the government and cut off unemployment insurance that got the Bush tax cuts extended? Or the threat to default on our good faith and credit that got Boehner 98% of what he wanted? Even EPA standards have been put on hold, and not only are we drilling at record levels, the sand oil pipeline was approved.

Our current economy is the Bush era policies, and has been for over a decade. If you don't like current economic policies, than you don't like Republican policies--but you can't figure that out, can you?

After the 2010 election, President Obama moved even more to the center, because that's how it goes. Troops have been decreased in Iraq. But until enough right-wingers like Gingrich get behind an end to the wars, it will be a hard thing to do.

The House is where a jobs plan would have to originate, and currently Republicans have a super majority in the House. In fact, the special elections made that even more the case. Stop with the nonsense about Reid presenting a plan from the Senate--that's not how it works. Even if it did, Reid would need a filibuster-proof super majority, which he does not have. Ask your own DO NOTHING Republicans in the House where are the damn JOBS?

The payroll tax cuts for small businesses is far better than the corporate welfare currently in place. Reagan increased the tax base by closing loopholes and ending subsidies, but now Reagan is only a fanciful Deity to conservatives who live on what ever planet you're living on.

Feisty, I could sure use Stoli martini. Everyone have a good weekend

Feisty, I could sure use Stoli martini. Everyone have a good weekend

Coming right up lisa!

You have a good weekend as well!

You too, lisa:

No, Feisty, theotas won't follow me, she doesn't like me. And here I am so likeable, personable and fun!

And here I am so likeable, personable and fun!

OH - YOU betcha GF!

Be thankful she doesn't like you - according to her, her hatred of me is personal lmao!

Poor dear has nothing to bring her some much needed comfort other then her stolen LRU diary... ;o)))

NDR. Hi nice to see you back. Enjoy your weekend.

lisa; so glad to chat with you again, even through these posts. Happy Friday to you.

Well, Feisty, someday we will figure out what all the angst is about. I purely tried to help her out, and was shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you to be rejected. I will probably suffer a trauma over it.

The libbies still don't get it, but did they ever? There's plenty of issues to keep FR going strong for a long time, but let's discuss some issues they (libbies) would prefer to ignore:

The bloom was off the Obama rose long before anybody was willing to admit that it was.

What this country wants is a conservative leader.

There is no jobs bill, and there's no jobs in that bill. All that is is tax increases.

Obama is not about fixing the problem. He's about attempting to fix the blame.

Tim Geithner says the economy is in the early stage of crisis. No kidding.

Some of Obama's best friends are on Wall Street. It's called crony capitalism. Some of his best friends are CEOs of the biggest American corporations. You want to start indictin' people, the people to indict are in the regime.

Families USA was the public relations team for Hillary Care, and their intention is to get as many people as possible dependent on government provided health insurance as soon as they can in order to make it impossible to repeal.

The more Washington spends, the worse unemployment gets. If Obama would just say that he had a plan to drive up unemployment, he'd be hailed as a genius. (Rush Limbaugh)

All valid points, eh? Quoting Rush is sure to get redwig to make another batch of mojitos! lol

No, actually Steve, it was kind of boring and predictable. But if it makes you feel better.....

No, actually Steve, it was kind of boring and predictable.

Steve WHO?

TP - by economist standards the recession ended in 2009, you obviously missed that news blurb time after time.

Hmmm, didn't the CBO put the estimate more in line with somewhere between 1 and 3 million jobs created? Yet, why not look at the department of labor numbers on jobs created each month? You do know that the labor department is THE SOURCE of employment numbers right? Actual jobs created are more in line with the 1 million number. The data can be found at the department of labor web site.

Please do understand that your excuses matter little for what transpires in passed legislation or in how economists look at periods of recessions and periods of recovery, after all each is different.

Structural economic policies can take a year or more to show its effects, which implies that bush and company had already started steps to contain the recession. The 2009 stimulus had the intent also of ending the recession and to start the US on the road to recovery. It was obama and companies plan, not bush's. Remember obama was sworn in jan 2009.

If you have any type of rudimentary political or economic knowledge you should be able to see why anyone (at least since FDR) can lay claim to current positive or negative numbers as being the responsibility of past politicians. Unfortunately, once an administrations and congressional torch is passed, the argument becomes mute as the new administration and congress becomes the responsible party to further define changes in policy, whether new or old. You kind of had it right, but refuse to acknowledge that we have a basic two party system and that any policies made by the bush2 administration also had to have the support of democrats as well. Just because you can't accept that is your own personal problem.

Rather shows how really naive you are when it comes to congressional responsibilities when you insist...

The House is where a jobs plan would have to originate...

Not hardly, obviously you refuse to read our constitution on the duties of congress. I lay no claim to the intricacies of parliamentary procedures as set up by congress, but I at least know how to read the constitution on what each governments basic job responsibilities are.

I see you have no confidence in reid creating a bipartisan jobs bill in the senate. I for one wouldn't expect it to be the same as presented by obama, just as I know the houses version won't be as well.

Interesting how you refuse to acknowledge that as POTUS, obama is also the commander in chief of the military and does have the power to bring the troops home immediately, stay in place or to order them to go to various pther parts of the world.

ROTFLMAO on you wanting me to do my homework with your knowledge base so obviously lacking in the fundamentals. BTW - why is it that NO ECONOMIST OR POLITICIAN has ever been able to prevent a recession from occuring or having a working recovery plan? Your assignment this weekend TP is to learn what the US constitution has to say about the job functions of the congressional and executive branches are. 100% comprehension is not expected, after all, even obama doesn't have a 100% rating on understanding it or do I.

Thanks redwig, I'm not a rush fan but wanted to yank your doggie chain a bit. Surprised you responded so I guess I succeeded, but have no satisfaction as I feel a little dirty getting down in the gutter with you. Shower time! Do you have any good thoughts about Obama's performance that I may have missed? Just kidding, know you can't answer that one!

Hey, look Feisty: another one of your fans who must have your attention to be validated! How do you do it?

american -- The recession was declared to be over for a brief period, thanks to the stimulus. The stimulus has run out and we are seeing the results. We are now on the verge of a double-dip recession, and possible depression depending on the rest of the world. Ask fellow Americans, including conservatives if they feel the economy has recovered.

"If you have any type of rudimentary political or economic knowledge you should be able to see" that it is the DO NOTHING Republicans in congress who are throwing the American people under the buss. Your presumptuous, condescending, and narcissistic posts impress no one.

Looks like another ultra liberal is using obamas strategy of scare / terror tactics to make a point! Yes folks this guy is really the Mayor of NYC! Liberals Gone Wild, soon to come to a local movie theater!

Mayor Bloomberg warned Friday there would be riots in the streets if Washington doesn't get serious about generating jobs.

"We have a lot of kids graduating college, can't find jobs," Bloomberg said on his weekly WOR radio show.

"That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here."

Mayor Bloomberg warned Friday there would be riots in the streets if Washington doesn't get serious about generating jobs.

"We have a lot of kids graduating college, can't find jobs," Bloomberg said on his weekly WOR radio show.

"That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here." (Daily News)

Jobs Plan - Obama Administration & Congress

Mother Earth - Where We All Have A Stake In It - Our Infrastructure

Written by Bob Hennelly

From North Carolina up through the upper reaches of New England, our collective plumbing failed and it killed dozens of people and will cost billions to fix. It wasn't Katrina, but it affected thirteen states and showed how totally inadequate our existing water management infrastructure is. It also graphically illustrated how thousandsof bad local landuse decisions, when hit by a storm the size ofEurope, can all help produce a "natural disaster" withcontinental consequences.

For decades in pursuit of property tax revenues and economic development we have built shopping malls in swamps, clear cut forests, and paved over farmland for box stores, while neglecting the existing infrastructure in our urban cores. While the economic development model based on sprawl made some people extraordinarily rich, it replacing naturally regulating natural systems - swamps, meadows and farms - with a mindless repetition of stripmalls and fast food joints in state after state, leaving nowhere for the rain water to go.

"When you pave over these surfaces you are changing mother nature's pattern in a very significant way," says Eric Goldstein, senior attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council. "Rain water and snow melt race over paved surfaces fifteen times more quickly than they would over green areas like meadows or wetlands, and that than creates an avalanche of sorts of rain water and storm water that has to go somewhere."

The EPA reports that since the founding of the republic, North Carolina has filled in almost half of its wetlands, Maryland 73 percent, Delaware 54 percent, Pennsylvania 56 percent, New Jersey 39 percent, New York 60 percent, Connecticut 74 percent and even "green" Vermont destroyed 35 percent of its wetlands.

Goldstein says he believes there is a scientific consensus that we will see more Irenes as the planet continues to warm.

"Storms that would we would refer to saying, 'we haven't seen a storm like that in twenty or thirty years' - those could become a more regular events as the result of changes taking place in our climate and we have to prepare for that," Goldstein says. "We have got to plan for that and we have to invest in the infrastructure to protect out lives, our homes and our communities in the event of future severe storms."

"What we need to do as a society is build into the marketplace or through programs the value that farmers provide, which often we don't value until after it is gone," says Wagner. "People say, 'boy we never used to see the stream flood this badly or we never used to have water like this.' Well its because upstream you used to have farms and forests, and now you have developed it all."

Wagner says with a nation increasingly pinched for cash for concrete projects that control water, it's more essential than ever we see swamps, forests, and farmland as the most cost-effective water management infrastructure.

"I have certainly have never seen anything like it in my lifetime, the amount of water that has been dumped on the northeast," he says. Rusnica says the scale of Irene just dwarfed exisitng water controls.

"If we continue to experience these big 500 year storms we'll haveto rethink out infrastructure completely," says Rusnica.

When it comes to dealing with floods we have been doing the same things year after year. We pay for people in chronically flooded properties to re-settle in the same location over and over. Maybe, its time for us to try something new that in the long term will save us money and buy these folks out and send them to higher ground.

Can we learn these lessons or are we doomed to just keep repeating the same failed behavior? Connecting these dots are our 21st century WPA scale challenge. But just where is our Roosevelt?

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Hurricane Irene, by the time it reached us, was a Tropical Storm. The devastation was unbelievable.

We are going to continue to keep spending billions of dollars year after year unless and until we rethink of what we have done ourselves to cause this destruction and change it.

Our infrastructure is old and inadequate to deal with these storms. The evidence is there.

Like I said, Hurricane Irene was a Tropical Storm by the time it reached up here. And yet look at the damage it caused.

We know better. We ALL know better. Congress, deal with it now. Otherwise, more property will be lost, more lives will be lost. And billions more will be spent. For what?

How do you do it?

I'm just a troll magnet who is savoring the power I wield over them! ;o)

Did I hear correctly this morning that at this point in the George H. Bush Presidency is approval rating was at 70%?

Of course Clinton went on to WIN - didn't he? lol

Keep counting those chickens connies... when President Obama is inaugurated in Jan 2013 you can use them to barter for a colon cleanse!

I heard that too, Feisty. Too early in the game to get too concerned.

this election is ripe for a 3rd party spoiler on the right side, too. we haven't had popcorn in awhile, Feisty. how 'bout you make up a big batch of the extra salty variety?

Feisty. how 'bout you make up a big batch of the extra salty variety?

Wonderful idea!

Did you finish making your tiramisu's yet?

PS: I keep forgetting to tell you, your apricot preserves were delicious on the pork tenderloin I grilled. Hubby wants MORE - told him he has to wait until next summer! ;o)

Mark, after the last 2.5 years obama's scare tactics are falling on deaf ears as his poll numbers would indicate. Other than a few of his koolaid drinking disciples his credibility rating ranks the lowest in modern history! The two recent Republican victories are just a taste of the good news we can look forward to in 2012! Nobama 2012!

Ditto to both Mark and Steve! Don't forget the Republicans also recently passed a bill that will prevent the NLRB from dictating where companies can be relocated (Boeing)! Another victory for free enterprise and defeat of the onerous agenda of unions and socialists! God Bless America!!!

The House passed the bill but it will not
even get to the floor for a vote in the Senate.

Don’t rejoice too soon !!

Pat of boston - sounds like you are of the opinion that man can build a viable structure that nature can't destroy. Sorry, I believe nature will always win out as man always has to make tradeoffs in design decisions when he builds something.

Man can design and build an extremely fuel efficient auto, but I think its safety star rating would be very low. Just like man can design and build a very durable and safe vehicle but its fuel efficiency rating would be abysmal. Think atmored vehicles and the recently purchased presidential buses.

So dennis, you seem to be of the opinion that the democrat controlled senate is the new obstructionist party, and that reid will become the new spokesman for saying NO!

A shame if boeing can't build in south carolina, and we aren't talking about minimum wage jobs or poor bennies either.

Wonder why obama isn't going to bat for boeing? All those projected well paying jobs to build a known product...guess boeing isn't as sexy as soylanda (sp) was.

american -- You can refer to the Handbook for Contrarian Arseholes all you want and produce nothing just like the GOP/TP in congress.

According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives, consistent with the Westminster system requiring all money bills to originate in the lower house which is why the appropriations bills that are enacted begin with "H.R.", indicating a bill that originated in the House. The Constitution also states that the "Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills," so in practice, the Senate and House each drafts and considers its own bill. The Senate then "cuts-and-pastes", substituting the language of its bill of a particular appropriations bill for the language of House bill, then agrees to the bill as amended.

112th US Congress:

House Of Representatives: Republicans = 242 (the largest number since 1947-49) / Democrats = 193

(Now add two more for Republicans, because that will get things going -- Not.)

Senate: Republicans = 47 / Democrats 53 -- NOTE that Republicans require an unprecedented filibuster-proof super majority of 60 votes on all legislation now.

Since January 3, 2011 we have had a potential government shutdown resulting in extension of the Bush tax cuts, and potential debt limit default resulting in the Tea Party Downgrade. And no Jobs Bill.

FACTS

"I think Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers so we could identify their corporate sponsors." --Anonymous

John Boehner looked at Michelle Bachmann and said, "You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy." Michelle shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy". Hearing their exchange, the pilot of plane said to his co-pilot, "Such big-shots back there. I could throw both of them out of the window and make 256 million people very happy."

I thought it was in dreadful taste when I first heard it- and your creative license does not make it any better. As you well know, the original does not say "congress" was kidnapped- but Obama.

As I said- poor taste. Particularly this week.

Lynn, KCMO is just reflecting the truth based on low approval of congress, specifically the Republican/Tea Party House. Herman Cain said America is too uptight--He may be on to something.

RCP Average
8/11 - 9/15
13.5
83.3
-69.8

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That's for ALL of congress, period.

So when the President Obama jokes (in the same awful taste) begin to appear, will you be as willing to accept that they are "just reflecting the truth" too? Will you be as eager to jump to their defense?

Personally, I agree with NoJo on this one; Bad taste is bad taste.

Yeah that darned tea party House.

So, anybody heard when Reid and the gang in the democratically controlled senate will put the Jobs bill for a vote?

There will be a vote, won't there?

Hey old gal - what would be the biggest decal on Obama's jumpsuit? AFSCME, SEUI or Solyndra?

Or would it just be a giant unicorn with a fairy riding it toward a windmill? Wait, no that's what be on the hood of his car.

They do race Volts at the Brickyard, don't they?

The Don Quixote image is pretty good.

But it also brings out the cynic in you, Spanky.

Volts at the Brickyard?

No - Probably Tesla.

That'd be a sight to behold. A Tesla rokin' the oval, leading the back, emission-less.

But then after 1 and 1/2 laps at a sustained speed of 186.5 mphs it pit stops.

Normal NASCAR pit stop takes, what like about 1 or two minutes? Telsa recharges it's battery in just 8 short hours.

Could be a issue.

In addition to being totally cost inefficient, my primary bitch about the hybrids is I love working on cars. Hybrids are essentially a black box.

Just no sexy.

But then again I used to be real good at rebuilding carbs. Not such a sought after skill anymore. Hell even my YZ 450 has fuel injection.

Oooooo.......... injected YZ 450 ..............very nice...

Hybrids, utterly ridiculous stop-gap concept and most definately NOT sexy!

The electric Indy 500, though, has possibilities - except "Gentlemen, start your engines!" would be purely ceremonial.

Mark i believe the correct engineering term would be "...start your motors". It is nice to see a thread more oriented towards humor. Almost wish bill of fairfax would repost his blog on FR cluelessness (sp)

Actually they'd have to change the ceremony to "Gentlemen check your batteries!" I'll tell you the race would be real boring and.... quiet. Top speed 75.9 MPH... as the motors wind down the track. Gone would be the days of roll over crashes, leaping, spinning air action... geeez... they want to ruin everything, don't they?

"Normal NASCAR pit stop takes, what like about 1 or two minutes?"

Around 15 seconds, actually.

About as long as it would take to change out a battery pack.

And, if Danica was driving, it would still be sexy!

One week = 7 days = $28 billion more in debt.

And NY-9 was something, as I really think he's turned off the jews, but the Nevada election was far More insightful. That there is Reno country. It just swung hugely away from team blue.

What do you say NOJO - I think we need to start a dead Obama stooge walking pool. It's either Gietner or Daley that toast in the next week or so. August was horrible, and so far September has been worse.

No on buys the jobs program. Not us, not John Stewart and especially not any dem that is up for re-election in the next two years.

Spanky-

Do us both a favor and stay away from Math...

Even if you got it right, this time...:)

That's right Teapublicans, the president and Dems have already lost. You heard it right here from the most credible sources. So there's no need to show up at the polls (wink, wink).

One week = 7 days = $28 billion more in debt.

Spanks, in the interest of historical comparison, what was the rate of debt accrual under Bush?

Ah, well- the liberals are spinning out of control, Obama is sinking like a rock, and vie got a pot roast in the oven.

Excellent NoJo. Eat that roast up. Must be cool to watch you dislocate your jaw and swallow it whole, but my tastes in entertainment lie elsewhere. Have some more gravy. Have some biscuits and gravy, and sausage,.....lotsa' sausage. How bout' some bacon and eggs tomorrow morning? Wash it down with some single malt, and a Cohiba.

Yes, you know you want it. A nice dish of ice cream will round out the meal.

For tomorrow's lunch, a triple-decker pastrami sandwich with Russian dressing and Swiss cheese. Try some prime rib tomorrow night, bread and butter. Lots of butter.

Then bill a medical insurance system for this. You don't exercise do you? If you do,...stop,...it's bad for you.

Eat that roast up.

You mean the roast she cooked on 'self-clean'? lol

Thanksgiving at her house has to be a real hoot!

Her serving up a heaping helping of HATE!

I hear you danger - math and meth. Bad stuff.

GOPEx - Bush sucked too, and he's gone.

Heard a great one today = Obama is a "venture socialist"

Venture capitalist puts together private money to invest, at the investors risk, so everybody mighty careful.

Obama grabs a bunch of our money and dumps it into companies that he knows nothing about, and which are certain to fail.

No good.

And the hits just keep on coming

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20107584-503544.html?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

Obama's approval at an all time low.

Susskind's book coming out this week- the people associated with the President quoted in the book are now scrambling around, saying they did not say the things they are quoted as saying.

My favorite? Summers' quote about "no adult in the White House". Now, why did I always know that meme was mean to cover another Obama deficiency- like "no drama Obama", the mantra fed him by Axelrod, which was meant to contain his petulant displays of temper, being appropriated by his fan base as an admirable quality?

Add Solyndra and LightSquared to the economic mess, and wave bye bye to this disaster of a presidency.

And at this exact same time in his Presidency President Reagan was also at 43% approval.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx

He still has the full support of his base (81% approval) better than Clinton, Bush 43 and even Reagan at this point in their reelection bid.

Here's the problem with that apples and oranges analogy, Dennis-

First, Reagan's plans had not yet been fully implemented.

Second, double digit inflation was already a thing of the past-

In other words, things were, in fact, beginning to move in the right direction.

Not so for Obama, whoa plan seems to be that he needs another honeypot to pay off his new donors.

Do yourself a favor, and face reality-

Obama has failed, and he is so completely flummoxed by his failure, he is more than doubling down on stupid.

Tell me, were yup advising him- after his promise of 600,000 jobs as a result of the last stimulous in the summer of 2009 that failed to materialize- would you not tell him to STOP promising specific numbers of jobs- let alone 1.9 million?

"Promise them anything, but give them Arpege" did not even work for the fragrance company that used that idiotic ad campaign.

Does he, and you, believe that people don't remember these promises? Do he, and you, think we're too dumb or distracted to remember?

I can assure you, we're neither.

Face the facts, Dennis-

Obama shelved in 2012.

Face the facts No Joe the GOP doesn’t have a candidate that beats our President in head to head polls except Romney in just 1 poll. Unless you intend to run generic … LOL

President Reagan raised taxes several times but the current GOP won’t allow it for our President and the voting public is catching on.

Your reply is twisted logic = Epic Fail

Poor, poor, Dennis. And, by extension, your forty odd treehouse mates.

See, dear, Obama is going to lose- big time.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924541,00.html

Now, tell me, Dennis- do you REALLY think Reagan gained ten points in 48 hours- or do you think the polls were wrong?

One of the "truths" of that election was that pollsters had more democrats coming out to vote than actually did- but I voted, and so did my husband.

For Reagan, and we were both registered democrats.

It's so hard to admit when you've failed. Look at Obama, your idol.

He can't do it, either.

>History of the Federal workforce on average (Excluding military personnel):

Key: President <> (Average Govt. Employees) <> (Population) <> (Percent of Population)

Reagan <> 2.91 mil <> 237.5 mil <> 1.23%

Obama <> 2.78 mil <> 308.7 mil <> 0.90%

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTables/TotalGovernmentSince1962.asp

Clearly the Government was larger under Reagan than it is
under Obama both in raw numbers and as a percent of the US population and
Reagan did not have a bump due to temporary census workers as Obama did.

>Reagan initially cut taxes while increasing spending. So much so that his policies more than doubled our National debt that was on a path to be paid off by around the year 2000.

Then, while still spending beyond our means he raised out taxes 7 times to pay for extreme spending spree.

>New York Times/CBS News poll, Sep 10-15 2011:

Asked if President Obama has “a clear plan for creating jobs,” 43% said yes, while 52% said no. But asked if congressional Republicans have such a plan, only 24% said yes, while 67% said no.
The poll found dissatisfaction with Congress is growing to near-universal levels. Asked if members of Congress deserve re-election, only 6% of people said yes, while 84% said it is “time for new people.”

Asked if their own member of Congress deserves re-election, only 33% said yes while 57% said it was time for a change.

The Times/CBS poll surveyed 1,452 people and has a margin of error of +/-3%.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63727.html

I talk about polling, and you being up the federal workforce?

Hitting those Rules for Radicals again?

I'll say it slowly, Dennis-

Obama is done. One term- if he chooses to stay on, that is, rather than beating it out of town. The heats up, as is the jig.

Romney? Perry? Does not matter.

Either is going to win. Big time.

Got it? Or are you going to bring in the recipe for meatloaf as a distraction?

So you are at the DDI right now?

Wouldn't that just b something.

odd how many people are starting to talk about Obama just outright giving up. Unless your name is Jimmy Carter. Then you are one happy hombre.

Spanky-

You CAN"T possibly be talking to me...

I sure was danger - the thought of you hanging with the cool kids at the DDI just inexplicably brings a smile to my face.

Have fun at the Steely Dan concert, and as much as I loved my old Les Paul, I love my PRS even better. Bitch of it is about 20 years I traded my old Strat and bassman amp for dry wall and granite counter tops.

I am such a dumb ass.

If that's all you guys got this is going to be an easy week.

It ain't like its named Monica or anything, dude.

A few weeks ago a "wing walker" was killed at Selfridge Air National Guard base northeast of Detroit. Safety equipment wasn't checked out and it failed. The performer fell 200 feet to his death right in front of the crowd. Probably a lot of children.

Just a reminder that there is always an element of risk inherent in these shows, and you just can't make it all go away entirely.

May God rest the victims and comfort their loved ones.

It's 'sense' duderocker.... Not "since"... But, I totally appreciate the message.

Hey Lynn/Feisty,

Ever notice how when you score a big one the righties totally ignore the content/comment and just move past it like it isn't there?

There have been a few of mine lately where the righties don't even rise to the bait. No comment. They're stymied. Stumped. Stunned into silence. Beaten down.

It just goes to show you that their ideology is wrong,.......AND,.........even THEY know it!

SMOKE ENOUGH DOPE

drink enough wine

Throw in "huff enough glue" and that would explain your comment.