color coded terrorism alert wheel?

I can see it now...

Tommy gives the wheel a spin while clapping for BIG money, and when it lands on bankrupt he asks to buy a clue!

Yeah, "Terror Tom", like his endorsement matters, he's as much of a household name as Herman Cane...

Huntsman running just doesn't make sense, to me.

If Mitt wasn't running, I think John would still be enjoying his ambassadorship.

Tom admits to being 'used' by Rumsfeld and W.

Has he set himself up for more?

WOW! Feisty not only hogs up the first post on EVERY thread...

but now she has resorted to hogging up the first reply to her own posts!

What a riot! She obviously can't get enough of herself! I wish the rest of us could say the same of her!

LOL! What a HOG!

"LOL! What a HOG!"

And yet, here you are......Maybe you should call a cop. Or get a life. Or something.

Hey, Spanks- what's it mean when someone is preoccupied with what someone else is doing with their time? Can y' help us out here with this one?

drive-by-instigator...

You mean the way you are with me?

(hey pot... you're black!)

Hmmm... wasn't Tom the guy who came up with the bright idea of a color coded terrorism alert wheel?

That's because of the low reading comprehension level that has gotten even lower, Feisty!

Slick Rick is now proud to announce that he finished in the top 10 in his high school graduation class of 13!....Talk about 'race to the bottom'!

Hey, Spanks- what's it mean when someone is preoccupied with what someone else is doing with their time?

I have to laugh that the SOB spends her vacation day troliing FR!

The rest of the week she's stealing time from her employer! ;o)

"You mean the way you are with me?"

Awww..... I just does it because I loves you, silly boy.

True, Feisty...

I did spend part of my vacation day doing this... but at least I don't spend all day, every day of my life, like you do.

How pathetic you have become. (now go get a cheese sandwich! I am sure you have plenty of that gub'ment cheese to make one.)

"I have to laugh that the SOB spends her vacation day troliing FR!"

WHOA! You mean SOB's not a GUY? Oh, crap- I risked irking Smiff into not going to the ol' malt shop with me anymoref or NOTHING? Damn, Sam!

It's ok DBO... yes i am a guy. Feisty (not known as the most open minded person in the world) only sees things her way and in her little world everyone is what she makes them.

Your little relationship with smiffy is just fine!

now go get a cheese sandwich

Why that's a splendid idea - I think I will make a nice grilled cheese sandwich with a side of tomato soup!

Thanks!

In the meantime, by all means continue to rip your boss off - I LOVE it when you show your true colors!

Glad I could help you there Feisty! (God knows someone needs to!)

No can do. Huntsman is too smart. The right-wing can't identify with that.

Hey, Feisty,

Appears SotB is correct,...he took the 14th off from posting on the board. So that all week thing may have been a bit of hyperbole.

Buzz,

Translation, SofB wouldn't touch smiffy with YOUR junk,...LOL

Huntsman should immediately renounce his affiliation as a Republican, and announce a Democratic primary challenge to President Obama.

Like the Feisty Redhead, I believe him to be an acceptable alternative to President Obama.

Who's with me and Feisty?

That's the thing bag boy, Huntsman is a solid conservative, as are others like Bob Bennett from Utah. Now Teapublicans would boo Reagan out of his own library. Have you heard of "Reagan Democrats?" Do you really think that was because Democrats were more conservative then? No -- That's how far to the right the GOP/TP have gone. Now join with me, and let us pray away the insanity, Amen.

You, me, and Feisty is a start, TP.

You're obviously more religious than I am, but Huntsman would be a fine alternative to President Obama for conservative Democrats.

There are a few left.

And...

THEY'RE praying that Hillary Clinton will change her mind.

Huntsman would be a fine alternative to President Obama for conservative Democrats.

Well, I'm far from a conservative Democrat.

Having said that, Huntsman is the only Republican candidate I could bear getting anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

He's proven himself not to be certifiably insane!

You and me, Feisty...

Please...

Don't hurt yourself getting in line.

Huntman vs Obama for the Democratic nomination.

On the other hand...

C'mon, Hillary.

Every sentient being ought to know the wrong choice was made.

There's empirical data now, for heavenssakes!

"but at least I don't spend all day, every day of my life, like you do" -- Let's count the number of posts by SofB -- A deluge, spare us dude.

Hmmm...

After viewing Rachel Maddow's vicious, non-stop assault on Jon Huntsman tonight...

I'm inclined to believe that he might actually be a viable threat to President Obama if he were to run as a Democrat in a primary challenge.

Why else would a prime-time MSNBC host (even one as pathetic as Maddow) launch such a no-holds-barred attack on a GOP candidate who's clearly going nowhere as a Republican prospect?

Why bother?

Unless...

Sweet, Rachel.

ahh, shucks, nimrod, I knew you was a fool; but a science denier, too? That's like the Republican Trifecta,...have you thought about running for public office?

Now now, dangerfield...Schpanky's gonna "refute" your post with some b.s. CERN study he's been Jonesin' to attempt to beat people down with...

It took me about 3 minutes to find just as many scientists that have an opposing view.

Cool links though....hope it wasn't too much work fo ya.

mmnord1969

It took me about 3 minutes to find just as many scientists that have an opposing view.

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I'm sure you did; So please embarrass me by POSTING them. Look up the word "consensus" while you're at it.

The CERN study adds information to the causes of climate change.

It specifically doesn't discount the human caused factors.

It took me about 3 minutes to find just as many scientists that have an opposing view.

You mean the ones who aren't in that field and are ignoring the facts?

The U.S. scientific community has long led the world in research on public health, environmental science, and other issues affecting the quality of life. Our scientists have produced landmark studies on the dangers of DDT, tobacco smoke, acid rain, and global warming. But at the same time, a small yet potent subset of this community leads the world in vehement denial of these dangers.

http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org/

[The CERN study adds information to the causes of climate change. It specifically doesn't discount the human caused factors.]

Yikes...don't tell the "counselor"...he's likely to slit his wrists over that little ditty. Schpanky's banking on the CERN study as a end-all debunk...he's going to be vewy upset...

Good point devie.

So tell us again what knowledge skill and training ALGORE or Pachurri {the head of the IPCC] have in "that field" cause last time I checked your man Gore is a politician and Pacharri is a rail road engineer.

[but man have they totally scored off this man made global warming thing-y.]

And isn't that great Richard? Adding information is a good thing, unless its about Global Warming in which case the "science is settled" and no further investigation should be undertaken.

Stop asking questions you bastards scientists, the politicians got this one covered.

Very relevant as man made Global warming is about as valid as Huntsman running for prez.

mmnord:

I'm waiting for those rebuttals. Just kidding! I know you don't have them. It may not be polite, but you may have noticed I'm far more interested in accuracy than politeness - You are a liar.

...striving for mediocrity, Spanky?...go for it

Spanky-

Stop asking questions you bastards scientists,

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Go look up "science"....because based on what you have to say above, you don't know. Look up "consensus", then "field of study"

How many CLIMATOLOGISTS are GW deniers? Please post them for me as you MUST know something most here don't. I am always willing to reconsider my opinions when presented with new credible provable information...hey! You know what? That's what SCIENTISTS do!

Just a gentle ribbing to a guy who loves to rattle other folks cages, right?

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David Walker

How does calling someone a LIAR do anything but create more animosity?

If only the Supreme Court had ruled in favor or Al Gore, just imagine how much better things would be now. Try to learn lessons from history, and vote for Obama/Biden - 2012!

Facts are facts, and if people aren't tagged when they spew untruths, our country will continue to go down the toilet. You right-wingers need to stop swooping and pooping, and start providing evidence for your claims, or take a hike. There's no room for that chicken crap--anywhere.

Rib away dangerfield. Fact is you all have lost the man made warming war. It was looking kinda bad after Obama's inauguration, but now not so much.

As for who is and who is not a climatologist, I don't know. But the record is replete with dissenting opinions - like the guys who did the CERN study. Or any of the many articles that can be found at Climate Depot or Watts up with that.

Of course Mann and his CREW are kind of mia now. Odd, right?

But I do know that neither Al GOre or Paucharri are climatologists, yet they seem to be running the show, eh?

dangerfield why do you allow those non climate guys to be the bosses?

Uh, TP, in case you haw not been paying attention. . .

From what I read, Biden is being set up as the fall guy for the Solyndra debacle. Most of the stories out there focus on the loans being pushed out the door in front of BIDEN'S Solyndra visit- which predated Obama's.

Now, here's the deal- while I think Biden is (often) hapless, and, (even more often) witless, a cursory look at his financials show that he is, in all likelihood, NOT corrupt.

Does he, and did he, pull whatever stings necessary to get federal dollars invested in Delaware? Sure. Argue as you will about earmarks and pork barrel spending, the evidence is that whatever pressure he ever exerted for any project was to benefit his state- not himself.

He lives on his salary- and that of his wife- unlike, for example, Harry Reid, who used his position to become a millionaire.

Not Biden.

Nonetheless, it looks to me, at least, like he's the guy who's going to get thrown under the bus.

Now, let me say this- I admire Hillary Clinton, and think she would haw made a far better president than the guy there now. That said, if she actually agrees to be his running mate in an attempt to save this failing presidency, I will have lost all respect for her.

Not only that- I don't think it will work. Why should she go down with this sinking ship?

njnbnj: Biden is being set up as the fall guy for the Solyndra debacle

How can that be?

"That is why I have asked Vice President Biden to lead a tough, unprecedented oversight effort," the president continued, "because nobody messes with Joe." The audience -- and Biden -- laughed and cheered.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/nobody-messes-with-joe-ob_n_169685.html

Gosh this being President stuff used to be so much fun for Obama. Barry doesn't look happy anymore though. What happened Barry?

Spanky, why do you let some silly talking points and whipping boys from hyper-partisan media-trump SCIENCE?

I don't care one whit if Al Gore falls into a tub of Haggen Daz and never climbs out, and I don't even know who the other guy is, so why are you asking me as if I brought them up?

Let's face it, the Right Wing is getting crazier every single day. For them science and education, no way.

They are dumbing down America.

CERN, is one of the largest centers of scientic research in the world. It involves 60 countries and 8,000 scientist at more than 600 universities and national labs. CERN invented the World Wide Web, built Large Hadron Collider, etc.

That sounds pretty good.

They seem to have created a chamber that precisely recreated Earth's atmosphere and demonstrated that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that can grow and seed clouds - that because the the sun's magnetic field controls how manyof them cosmic rays reach Earf's atmosphere- the sun determines the temperature of the 3rd Rock.

Anybody ever do that with anthropogenic co2?

In other word's - it's the sun.

Who'd have thunk it, huh ...... well except for ideological big government politicians that want government to have control over thing or dips like Al Hagen Das that wanted to make a $100 million or two?

Why danger?

I'll tell you why - cause I just got back from the tropics. I was hot.

But now I'm here in So. Cal - june gloom and I'm cold.

Got that - it gets hot, it gets cold. I got no carbon credits, no Volt, and by golly I see no consensus for any warming/change/cooling issues.

Shoot I don't even got no Solyndra stock, but that's ok cause I hear we all are "investing" in a bunch more solar companies. Funny thing is we here learned a week ago what we really need is a bunch more energy plants.

See Arizona went out and showed us Californians just how much control they have over us. Without their power we go dark. And that danger is no way to live.

So true patriot, would al gore have acted more like carters responce to the iranian hostage situation and inflation/stagflation than to bush's responce to the 9/11 attacks and saddams perceived threat of middle east instability along with the dot com bust?

I realize this is apples to oranges in context wrt events, but I am asking within the context of national security and domestic economic policy.

My guess would be that gore would have done much the same as what bush did. The caveat would of course have been in his ability to work with a republican controlled congress.

Anyone who believes Bush/Cheney and their policies that have bankrupted our nation, as well as loss of blood, reputation, etc. was a good thing is truly off their rock. Al Gore would have invaded Iraq, would have passed tax cuts during wartime, puleeze -- It's moot, so I'm not even going there.

Same goes for the LONG list of Republican scandals since that time versus Solyndra, and like it could ever compare to Watergate, Iran-Contra, of even the Plame affair -- as hard as you try. Heck it's not even as interesting as David Vitter soliciting prostitutes or Joe Walsh having his wages garnished for child support. The real money to follow is the Republican "crony capitalism" and we all know it. Check out Perry and Mike Toomey, Scott Brown and Wall Street contributions, now that's interesting.

Move along, go back to your Jerry Springer show...

mmnord1969

LMAO....sheep...

What do your silly non sequitirs have top do with climate SCIENCE?

You herd?

You don't need an education in SCIENCE to herd sheep...

That's right mmnord1969... Wind... what a joke!

COAL! That's what's powering that monitor. These libbies constantly whine about oil and coal... but let the electricity go off (and thus their PC) and you will hear them scream bloody murder!

Of course... when the electricity goes off they do like to take the opportunity to get up from their PC and loot the local electronics store ;-)

So what dangerfield is saying is you don't need and education in science to be a man made global warming proponent. Say, what is Gore education in?

In fact any such education would just get in the way of the money train.

Too bad that train left the station. Say did Obama ever pony up that $100 billion he [and Hillary] pledge at Copenhagen?

I hear Solyndra might have some cash to kick down for the cause.

Oh, there the Solyndra "conspiracy" again...Spanky, you and Mixed Bag should get a room...

...a weeks vacation, and yet you've learned nothing...I'm disappointed in you Schpanks.

..Oh...tick tock, "counselor"

Spanky-

So what dangerfield is saying

He can say for himself.

When I need an interpreter, I will ask for "alfalfa" as in "wookin' fo nub"...:)

That was NOT alfalfa... it was buckwheat you dork! :-)

(but that was darn funny!)

Well you can go to hell (read as "I stand corrected)...and, Hey! Thanks a lot!

Can't believe I failed SNL...

(and I voted for you for calling me a dork)

you think a wind turbine is powering your moniter?

Well now that depends on where you live.

COAL! That's what's powering that monitor.

You two and your GOTP brethren are the classic stand pat and don't look towards the future "conservatives". With your mind set we wouldn't have visited the Moon, have automobiles, PCs, iPods, airplanes. The old is better than the new argument. You do know that cars built today totally out perform cars from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's don't you? That would be in every aspect.

Countries and Companies that don't move forward end up on the scrap heap. Time to move forward with new technology and new ideas. If we don't produce new innovations someone else will.

Where has AlGore been anyway. From all the crap he feeds people in telling them how to run their lives, that hypocrite better be living in a teepee and riding a bike to his girlfriend's house. Hey! You think the call girls he sees give him "condom credits?"

dangerfield

Well you can go to hell (read as "I stand corrected)...and, Hey! Thanks a lot!

Can't believe I failed SNL...

(and I voted for you for calling me a dork)

LOL! No Problem.... As always I am here to help!

(unfortunately some here are simply beyond help... and you all know who you are)

Hey dangerfield - you think buckwheat, alfalfa, or even Darlene would have given $500 billion to a company that they knew would run out of money in less than 2 years?

To whoever started this global warming talk - thanks.

devie

You two and your GOTP brethren are the classic stand pat and don't look towards the future "conservatives".

Actually that is not true in my case... I support OTHER forms of energy as well. I am however a realist and coal is most likely powering your electricity needs.

Just a note... I also have a son who is a nuclear engineering student at a major university... he's doing quite well I might add...

But I guess there are others here that will find fault with that too! (go figure)

Spanky-

Hey dangerfield - you think buckwheat, alfalfa, or even Darlene would have given $500 billion to a company that they knew would run out of money in less than 2 years?

Personally, Spanky... I think the libbies will blame that bad guy.... Bush er... uh... BUTCH! Yeah that's the ticket!

SOB-

I think that while I failed SNL (miserably, I might add) Spanky can blame his instructors for failing in SCIENCE, and now MATH.

His estimate is a little off by a factor of like a THOUSAND or so...Damn Butch!

Bet even Solyndra would still be in biz with those bucks, 500 BILLION! Wow! that's a lot of alfalfa, er Buckwheat...

Like Al G was so energy concious versus Bush according to this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

I lifted this from Gramma Knows yesterday:

http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/15/solyndra-advanced-by-bush-for-2-years-solyndra-timeline/

I don't think Solyndra is as big a deal as the Right would like it to be,...let's watch their heads explode at the source or me or anything to distract from the content...

Would someone respond and/or vote for Clara? She's been posting all day, and no one is paying any attention to her.

Here Clara, here's a vote for you, and keep the great posts come'n sister!

You got me danger - million/billion/trillion.

See I'm easily confused particularly in the age o' Obama.

But brother I could live ok on $500 billion. Or the $900 Billion stimulus 1, or even the $500 billion stimulus 2.

And let's see if I got this Clara bell - Bush took a look, but pulled the plug on Solyndra. Obama took a look and said, nope that looks like a super good investment to me.

But then again, his DOJ also figure it'd be a good idea to give guns to bad guys to take to Mexico. Turns out, much like the solar panels, not so much.

And as independently bad, and collectively horrible, the cumulative effect on Obama is devastating.

Or you all staying away from Firedog and Kos these days? Obama not such a hit it seems.

clara, didn't bush end up rejecting solyndra before he left office but obama jumped immediatley on board with them shortly after taking office?

Whatever happened to obamas "taking careful deliberation" in coming to a decision. Bet he looked at it as his first campaign event to win re-election in 2012.

Like most ostriches their heads are buried in the sand, or quite possibly their a$$es.

Ok Drive By, take your big science brain over and google how much energy the sun creates in one hour here on Earth, and then try to figure out how much man has produced over the last 100 years.

Go ahead, I know you are going to be amazed.

But I am loving the re-litigation of Global Warming here today. What is it the fat man's birthday?

"Ok Drive By, take your big science brain over and google how much energy the sun creates in one hour here on Earth, and then try to figure out how much man has produced over the last 100 years.'

The energy created is not all stored, right Albert? As far as I know, though, Man has created, like, zero energy. Unless you count nuclear fission. Then, he didn't really create that energy either, did he? He jsut released it.

But enough of that- I 'm not sure what the hell you are even yammering on about.

No I don't suppose you do Drive By.

See it's like this big guy. The mighty sun produces a lot of energy. Man, not so much.

Yet you, in your very special way seem only to want to focus on the evil oil and coal energy, and not the GIANT ball of fire in the sky.

Of course you all also want to ignore stuff like the ice age, the little ice age, the medieval warming period and other climate changes that are naturally occurring.

Cosmic rays bro. Read the actual article. All those models suck. knowledge is power.

So, did you miss me last week? :)

"Yet you, in your very special way seem only to want to focus on the evil oil and coal energy"

I thinks maybe you need to find and paste my post that refers to coal and oil as 'evil', because I can't seem to remember putting one up. I DO remember asking why the idea of warming is so impossible, tho'.

Well, I DID miss you, untill I read the 25 shots-and-Coronas post. Now I'm just 'J'.

Just because fossil fuels are unsustainable and short-sighted doesn't make them "evil" per se.

Thanks Drive By.

You will be high on the list of potential liver donors I hit up.

Looking like it's going to be a long boring dry weekend. :(

The GOTP has high jacked the GOP ...and I thought Reagan was too conservative. Sheez! These guys are scary!

not as scary as those proponents who think big government is our friend and are here to help.

It happens every four years; liberals just choose whom they think is the least conservative GOP candidate, and use him to beat up on the rest of the GOP field, whlist pretending to be "bipartisan"..."

If Huntsman gets any traction, the moonbats will immediately feign shock at how he "sold out to the Tea Party".... and then the attacks will start right in, on Huntsman's Mormon beliefs as "Bible thumping" , his pro-life position as "anti choice", his tenure as Utah Governor as 'tax cuts for the rich and corporation"..his privileged position and advantage from his wealthy father.... blah blah blah...

Wbush.......I don believe you are correct in stating that the US is planning to do a bailout of European banks. They have their own bailout fund, and are having difficutlies trying to decide the best way to do the bailout. There is much bickering, just as there is here, over ways to do some things, with the result nothing is accomplished. Geithner is there to try to persuade the countries involved to find a way, because it is and will continue to affect US investors and rock the markets here even more.

The Republicans-Tea Potty had better get on board with the President and get people back to work. If not you may see riots in the street.

Job1, a riot is a conscious decision by a mob to abandon reason and in my opinion the ultimate expression of the breakdown of self-control and discipline. To hold any political party in this country hostage to the idea if they do not come on board with a particular ideology there will be rioting is ludicrous and in a way as counter productive as an actual riot.

The hyper-partisianship, lack of apparent recognition of personal responsibility, and the constant juvienille name-calling on this board is really getting on my nerves and despite the enjoyment I get from certian very good writers here I think need a break from this.

Bottom line? Life is good despite it all.

I will be spending a fine weekend in the SoCal mountains with some very close friends. One of the couples would probably qualify for membership is the 2% Club (so vilified on this board). They are arch-liberal. The other couple, while not two percenters are just as far left. My wife is neutral and I am the lone moderate conservative. Politics will come up, and not one of us will refer to another as a libtard, nazi, wacko, commie, fascist, etcetera. We will come out of it at worst agreeing to disagree.

Cheers, all.

yep, geithner and obama sure seem to be on board with this. It seems though that it is more of an IMF thing, but since we are big time contributors to the IMF, we as taxpayers do seem to nibbling hard at the hook.

Bloomberg news made the observation that a Belgian official was disdainful of geithners advice based on how well the US was handling its own debt crisis.

Gingerbread - the Europeans have been kicking the can down the street ever since greece asked for help. Market consensus is not if greece will default, but when. Greeces only advantage is if they stay in the EU and not have to go the way argentina did at the turn of the century.

more like tax savings (cuts) increases disposable income.

more disposable income is supposed to burn a hole in the consumers pocket and encourage the consumer to spend.

It seems that because of how much debt the consumer took on prior to 2008, the devalued home prices that occured and that businesses can keep up with current demand, average consumers are more interested in paying down debt, increase savings and wait for improved conditions. Heck of a catch 22 and not to say tax cuts are the only way to encourage job growth. Attitude and a belief in the future also goes a long way. I understand that the luxory goods business is moving along nicely. At least the wealthy are willing to spend.

Exactly and that is why all the govt stimulus, the republican rhetoric of deregulation, lower taxes, cutting the debt will not give us more jobs. The individual schmuck out there is in debt way over thejr head trying to shovel out or bad mortgages, auto loans and credit cards, when that gets under control, then people will start to purchase again. Then you have your personal finance guru's like Dave Ramsey saying all debt is bad, cash only basis, millions of people who were debt rideen instead of debt responsible buying that theory nobody will be buying anything anytime soon.

Ron Paul, Simlicity at it's best,simplistic ideas in a complex world, he really isn't a Republican, he's a libertarian, not electable. And he says stupid things.