Danger-

Manning and Brady are going to be asking PERRY for advice, I'd guess! Hell, anyone that looks up to the likes of Trump just HAS to be a first string genius. (or not....)

So I left last week right after Obama demanded that his jobs bill be passed asap.

That was a week ago, has Reid brought anything to the floor yet, and if not, why not?

Also I hear that the dem had a democrat big pow wow yesterday. Seems their is a lot of resistance to the bill from the repubicans, um, democrats. The meeting was led by Schumer. Last I heard Reid was the man, and next is Durbin. Yet neither were at the shin dig.

Now we know the bill will get less than 45 votes in the Senate, but the flat out lack of support for Obama's super cool retread job plan is astounding, even for him.

Speaking of the campaign trail .....

‘If you love me, you’ve got to help me pass this bill.”

That was part of Barack Obama’s response to an exuberant fan who shouted “I love you!” at a campaign rally.

And so it has come to this. “The One” has gone from messiah to pleading like a teenage boy on a date. “Come on, baby. If you love me, you’ll do it.”

From Jonah Goldberg piece - "Looking for Love"

So sad, so pathetic, so true ....... but pretty funny.

Spanky-and now bob###

Lost your thread? Going for non sequitur of the day?

The over/under for Senate Dem votes for AJA is 42 in Vegas. It could go to 43 if the Nasty Redhead threatens a visit to Mark Kirk's office.

Hey dangerfield,

Some thread, huh?

The football analogy is pretty good and an interesting perspective, though.

Actually, watching the Jets and Cowboys last Sunday night and watching Romo fumble on the goal line - then throw a pick at a WR that Stevie Wonder could have seen was covered .... I was wondering what would have happened if Romo had told the press - "It would have been worse ...."

Perry and strong in the same sentence? Folks didn't see his performance in debates? Or how about the article today about jobs in Texas? Heck, just follow the money and that alone would be the demise of most politicians. Oh I forgot, this is a Teapublican candidate.

So Spanky - the way I read what you are saying is... Obama's nookin po nub?

Jonah Goldberg?? What next, someone gonna quote Dick Morris? Cal Thomas??

Haw Haw....

Brianb - in ahh da wong pwaces.

But I do like the "demise of most politicians" theme. Obama is having a mighty ruff patch. Forget the usual political stuff, like not being able to muster support from your own party.

No he's got some big fires burning. Solyndra, Gun Runner, this little flap with the 4 star Air Force general saying he was pressured to perjure himself for an Obama supporter's company.

Not going well. Not on little bit.It also tends to explain the very noticeable drop off in Obama supporters around these parts. Started last December, but has really accelerated here in the last few months. Especially August.

Hey Spanky hope you had a great vacation, but I got to tell you, you caused a lot of complaints when you turned the lights out in San Diego as you left for vacation to save on that electricity bill, man you tea party guys are frugal!

Sorry, bob lotsanumbers, you're quoting without the context. President Obama's comment came after audience members shouted "we love you". As for Jonah Goldberg, his columns failed miserably in the local paper after a short run in 2008; many complaints to the newspaper that his comments were filled with hate mongering and tinged with racism.

P.S. In case you think I live in a liberal town, you're wrong.

dbo: Jonah Goldberg?? What next, someone gonna quote Dick Morris? Cal Thomas??

Need us a big steaming pile of thinkprogess, right Buzzers?

bob-1805084

Speaking of the campaign trail .....

‘If you love me, you’ve got to help me pass this bill.”

That was part of Barack Obama’s response to an exuberant fan who shouted “I love you!” at a campaign rally.

Jody, Iowa

Sorry, bob lotsanumbers, you're quoting without the context. President Obama's comment came after audience members shouted "we love you"

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Jody? Looks like bob is Mr. Context here, so what were you saying?

JoAnnaSmith1

dbo: Jonah Goldberg?? What next, someone gonna quote Dick Morris? Cal Thomas??

Need us a big steaming pile of thinkprogess, right Buzzers?

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Yep, you're all (Liberals and Conservatives) like freakin' Malibu Barbie;

Got your own "pundits" as part of your accessories...Love that beach house though...

I love the desparation the right displays in trying to paint this as narcissism. I don't think the President's motives could be MORE CLEAR; but they'd rather just parse it to some one liner. Who's telling the WHOLE story? and who wants you to believe the President is an @sshole?

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/sep/14/complete-text-president-obamas-speech-raleigh-ar-1391299/

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I love you, Barack!

THE PRESIDENT: I love you back. But first -- but if you love me -- if you love me, you got to help me pass this bill. If you love me, you got to help me pass this bill. It starts with your help. Democrats and Republicans have supported every kind of proposal that’s in the American Jobs Act in the past. Well, we got to tell them, support it now. That’s where you come in.

Already, you’ve got some Republicans in Washington who have said that some of this stuff may have to wait until the next election.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

THE PRESIDENT: And said maybe we can just kick our problems down the road and stretch this thing out rather than work together right now. Some of them were even quoted as saying even if they agreed with some of the things in this bill, that they don’t want to pass it because it would give me a win.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

THE PRESIDENT: Give me a win? Give me a break! (Laughter.) That’s exactly why folks are fed up with Washington. This isn’t about me. This isn’t about giving me a win. This isn’t about giving Democrats or Republicans a win. It’s not about positioning for the election. It’s about giving the American people a win.

Why not post the actual VIDEO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeObotgalJ4

Ok I will...

What difference does video make? There is plenty of video out there of bushgasms,...if you're a hater,...you hate.

PS. I think I've consistently mentioned I can't stream at work,...I DO work, ya' know.

You haven't addressed your role in this little tripe, have you? You are trying to make this about HIM and he is CLEARLY making it about the people. Your failure to accept that makes you look petty and childish,...which doesn't surprise anyone; but like they say in The Princess Bride - I do not think it means what you think it means. (translation - you look a bit like a petty jerk). But hey, that's just my take on it.

Jody - nice try but no cigar on your repsonse to bob.

and that school spirit bled. ”I love you Barack!” someone cried out, earning a surely unexpected response from the president. “I love you back,” Obama came back. “But if you love me, you’ve got to help me pass this bill!”

as reported in...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-amps-up-if-you-love-me-youve-got-to-help-me-pass-this-bill/

It would seem that obama siezed the moment to politically embellish a lone shout out of "I love you" beyond the simple "I love you back"

I don't think anyone has ever denied that politicians usually have the ability to successfully turn a phrase to their advantage. One can only wonder what obama is really after in wanting to rapidly push his proposal forward. Most Americans remember what he touted as good for job creation in the 2009 stimulas and what little they did in generating anything sustainable. Other than extending the tax cuts he helped to support 4th qtr 2010, should we really expect the same old, same old from 2009 result in sustainable growth?

His current plan, outside of the extended tax cuts, seems to be more motivated towards re-election by showing a good short term bump up in GDP like the 2009 stimulas gave us.

Like a good con man, obama wants to hurry us along in making a decision before we realize what little it will actually do.

BTW - the 4 words "if you love me..." usually means that the person saying it seeks to gain something, while the other loses something..

american -- That was in response to a shout out at that particular event. Get a life.

Clara KCMO

Other people have opinions that differ from yours....

Your failure to accept that makes you look petty and childish.

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But I don't see how posting the video is anything other than posting the video. Has to be something else, maybe something deep and dark and scary that prompted such a pointed response...

and I did point out that Bob#### did provide 'context", because he did..

TP - "I love you back" was the responce, "if you love me...help me pass this bill" was the campaign blurb. Perhaps as you grow out of your twenties you will understand. After all don't words have meaning?

american -- The student shouted "I love you Barack" and then the rest followed -- Interesting how you left that VERY important part out. Perhaps as your IQ increases, you'll realize you can't spin what is documented on tape. After all, context has meaning and petty and childish is what we see from the right-wing everyday.

That's why the rightie poll Rasmussen has Obama 46% and Perry at 39%. Yup he's on a roll! Tanking fast!!

Good comback Elise, SF.

Conservatives are having orgasms over Perry much to my delight. He is a much easier target for Obama 2012.

You need to rephrase that Ana... Not all conservatives like Perry. I am one of them. Haven't liked him since day one along with Romney.

Ah, how nice for Elise. Today she like and cites to a poll.

Sadly, that seems to not be the case lately when it comes to Obama and polls, eh Elise?

Brianb, I'm giving you a vote for that post.

perry - absolute personification of a F U C K I N G IDIOT (WHY would ANYONE want another texas governor after the SHRUB?)

[Today she like and cites to a poll.]

Schpanky, she only cited that poll to piss you off...looks like you took the bait...

...welcome back, "counselor"...

Brianb999431,

Thanks for correcting me. I realize now not all Republicans can have orgasms.

Perry is about to suffer from electile dysfunction, he won't be giving any republicans a political orgasm.

"electile dysfunction?" Funny Forrest!

The press is already enamoured with Perry. If SS was called a Ponzi scheme by Bachmann or Palin they would have been crusified by now. Look at what they did to Bachmann over gardasil. But the comment comes out of an equally dumb person who happens to be a male and he gets a mulligan. The macho press, and I'm including them all, is selling him because of his sex. It's the good ol' boys club even in news.

Sorry "crucified". Don't want the spelling police to have a rotten weekend over my post.

I'm surprised Bachmann isn't being sued. If you listen to her full comments about HPV and mental retardation, she rants on about how the vaccine is dangerous and it becomes obvious she isn't just repeating something a woman told her, but rather a malicious (pre-meditated) attack on government even for good things like eradicating disease.

Bachmann should have stuck with Perry's "crony capitalism." The investigative reports are coming out more and more each day. Mike Toomey...interesting.

Hi Ana-

Care to comment?

AnaBanana-1782128
Turner will be a representative for one year. That is why Democrats did not spend any real money on that race….Republicans, on the other hand, spent lots of money on that seat.

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In New York's 9th Congressional District, Democrat David Weprin raised more than twice as much money as Republican Bob Turner before Tuesday's election: $684,400 versus $322,900, according to research by the Center for Responsive Politics.
Moreover, Democratic aligned groups -- namely the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the House Majority PAC, a super PAC that is allowed to raise donations without limits -- spent an additional $676,900 on Weprin's behalf. That represents 87 percent of all outside spending in the contest.
But it was all in vain.
Turner, who was aided by conservative groups such as the National Organization for Marriage and Republican Jewish Coalition, bested Weprin in the district that had given President Barack Obama 55 percent of its votes in 2008.
Overall, conservative outside groups spent $102,900 in the New York special election, according to the Center's research. That represents just 13 percent of all outside spending in the race.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/big-money-flows-in-new-york-nevada.html

That's around 1.4 million vs 400,000...

One of the problems that a party in retreat or with a weak head of the ticket (short coattails, as they say) has in local elections is the need to spend big money in formerly "safe" areas, making money tighter in races that were expected to be contested. That is exactly what happened in NY-9.

The loss of state legislatures to the republicans in 2010 will have an impact on redistricting and turn many formerly "safe" seats into contested ones, further straining the congressional committee budget. At this point in the election cycle, regardless of what transpires on the political landscape over the next 14 months, the election debacle in 2010 is having and will have repercussions in 2012.

Listen this whole SS is a ponzi scheme is settled.

The mighty big brained Paul Krugman said it is a ponzi scheme in a lovely little article he wrote in 1997.

Or, has it got all un-ponzi like since then?

Krugman responds;

Social Security is structured from the point of view of the recipients as if it were an ordinary retirement plan: what you get out depends on what you put in. So it does not look like a redistributionist scheme. In practice it has turned out to be strongly redistributionist, but only because of its Ponzi game aspect, in which each generation takes more out than it put in. Well, the Ponzi game will soon be over, thanks to changing demographics, so that the typical recipient henceforth will get only about as much as he or she put in (and today’s young may well get less than they put in).

Notice what I didn’t say. I didn’t say that the system was a fraud; I didn’t say that it would collapse. I said that in the past it had benefited from the fact that each generation paying in to the system was bigger than the generation that preceded it, and that this luxury would be ending in the years ahead.

So why did I use the P-word? Basically because Paul Samuelson had done the same; he was basically just being cute, and I was emulating him — which now turns out to be a mistake.

But anyway, anyone who uses my statement as some kind of defense of Rick Perry and all that is playing word games. I explained what I meant in that Boston Review article, and it was nothing at all like the claims that Social Security is a fraud, is destined to collapse, and all that. Social Security is and always has been mainly a pay-as-you-go system, which is nothing at all like a classic Ponzi scheme.

Of course, the usual suspects won’t pay any attention to what I’ve just said. But if anyone is actually listening …

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/the-ponzi-thing/

Ah, looks at Kruggy.

He just keeps digging that hole.

Thanks for the laugh danger - I missed this "response."

so backman is proof that one doesn't NEED to be smart to be in congress (but of course, we KNEW THAT PREVIOUSLY)

Just like with dickless perry, one doesn't need to be SMART to be guvurner of TEXAS (and he's got the GRADES to PROVE IT, TOO.)

for all intents an purposes, it IS a ponzi scheme (it looks like one, anyway) - it's an insurance project where the contributions of the working pay for the payouts to the retired. The PROBLEM is that there are so many that never HAVE paid into the system that collect benefits.

Spanky-

As you got the year of the Krugman piece WRONG, didja readit?

It's also 15 years old, sort of like the age-level of much of the "satire" found on this very site!

Calling SS a "ponzi scheme" is not going to be a winner for anyone, except maybe Mitt Romney...

Cause the future is so bright in Cali, Ny or Ill.

Forrest why won't Brown build me a better future?

Could you just imagine relying on a politician to build you future?

Of course you can't.

Spanky,

If you don't like our California then move. Utah may be a good choice for you all white and wasteland, like Arizona and Nevada and even Texas will become soon. Me? I prefer our lush green California and Brown for keeping it that way and managing to improve our credit rating at the same time.

Spanky you know I don't mean they should personally build a better future for an individual, I expect them to just only provide a structure where it is possible for individuals to do that for themselves. You know me a little Spanky, so please don't play stupid, because we both know you are not, and I know I am not. BTW when can I get my "Spanky Gone Wild" Cancun edition DVD.

Uh, AnaB, been here all my life, love the weather and the outdoor activities. Plus no way I'm taking the bar again.

Forrest - As a matter of fact I took like 1000 pictures. It wasn't Havasu Spring Break raunch, but let's face it - all inclusive, adults only with a lot of Euros [topless sunbathing] and honeymooners.

It was awesome. Wed. night we had about 25 people in our swim up. Last two things I remember was room service showing up with 25 shots of tequila, 25 Coronas, and somebody had collect all the womens' tops and thrown them up a palm tree.

Then it started toget out of hand. :)

Damn, Spank- for some reason, reading your post brings to mind an immage of someone named Duke, Raoul, and a Vincent Black Shadow.....And some grapefruit. Lots and lots of grapefruit.

How has Perry not built a better future for Texas? Please....elaborate. Be specific.

Well Doug the place is burning down and they have the highest unemployment they have had in 24 years all that business about Perry creating good jobs in Texas that is all a lie he has lost jobs and not gained any, and to add to that the jobs they lost were good government jobs replaced by crappy low wage and no benefit jobs. By the way when you get rid of firefighters and then you have fires 1000's of people's homes burn to the ground. That 11.20 an hour median wage in Texas will now go even lower when they re-calculate it because of the good jobs lost, and I quit a job 30 years ago making $11.80 an hour with benefits. Is that specific enough, half the people in Texas make less than I made 30 years ago, I know it is hard to imagine but it is the truth, and now that median income of $11.20 an hour is going down. Rick Perry has not created jobs in Texas he got rid of good jobs replaced them with crappy jobs and did not even break even on the number of jobs. Pretty sucky wouldn't you say.

In addition to seeming just a tad desperate pat, I'm just stunned you would have to resort to trickery, given your man is Obama.

What's the matter, don't think he's going to win on merit?

Just keep shouting down all the "crazies." Knowledge is power and merit is merit.

That is the case, right pat? Nothing to worry cause Obama is good, correct?

Hi Pat,

That is a great idea. In my city, we Democrats are going to be doing just that and vote for Huntsman.

Job1 that seems a little desperate on your part doesn't it?

Yeah pat, we wouldn't want a crazy to get in the White House. He/she might spend, what, maybe $800 billion on a stimulus plan, telling us that would cure the employment problems in the country. But two years later he/she would be telling us they need another $500 billion for the same reasons and for the same things.

He/she might even talk of 'shovel ready' jobs.

Crazy.

Waiting for the right to cry foul on this idea even though Rush Limbaugh urged republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and they did.

It didn't take long for the right to cry foul--like everything else, conservatives think it's only a dirty trick when the other side suggests it.

Nope, fair is fair. If millions of Democrats will vote in the Republican Primary we can stand a good chance of keeping the dangerous far right out of the White House.

Jody, Iowa

Waiting for the right to cry foul on this idea even though Rush Limbaugh urged republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008

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So you endorsed LIMBAUGH's idea in 2008?

Or is it the two wrongs make a right thing?

They NEVER do....

Job1,

Why would you do that? Huntsman is the only semi sane person in the crowd. He may upset Obama in 2012 if he wins.

The dems would still have to make it to the national convention, but please do try. try really, really hard, I don't think the US has had a really good political scandal since watergate.

Pat@#6--Spanky seems to think what you suggest would be something only a shyster lawyer would do.

or CHARMIN...(also Toilet Paper)

Rick Perry is the best candidate corporate money can buy. He will win the nomination because $$$ talks.

good point Mav, that billion dollars that O'bama will have for 2012 we all know came in $2 increments from students and blue collar workers....

Welcome to the oligarchy...

as soon as you noted you watch Rachel Maddow your post is immediately discounted as garbage

Yeah Gregie,

That damn Rachel keeps showing video of Republicans spouting dribble out their arses and you have problems with what? What their saying or the person showing them for what they are?

vwterry==Good post.