CNN was nothing but an Obama infomercial in 2008....

Congrats Steeler Fan on your most excellent question!

Thanks Mark & Domenico on your most excellent answer!

Poor news reporting is how a poor leader get's elected. If anyone of the news networks had bothered to ask better questions of Obama we would have ended up with a better President in 2008. Maybe they were afraid to question the inexperienced black guy what qualified him to be President for fear of sounding racist. Regardless of how it happened we need better news reporting to make us a better country......

Pundit:

: a person who gives opinions in an authoritative manner usually through the mass media : critic
— pun·dit·ry \-də-trē\ noun

Interesting to note the difference bewtween Pundit and Journalist/reporter. Pundits job is to opine about the news, journalists report the news.

Problem is nobody trusts either of them any more.

So Mark and Domenico, just out of curiosity, what do you identify yourselves as, Pundits or Reporters? Or Both?

Mark, Domenico, NBC, and Politico, did an impressive job with their debate preparation and coverage. It far outshined the coverage of the Iowa debates.

First Read - Journalism at its finest.

Good Job, Steeler Fan.

did anyone catch morning joe this morning where half of the people there had a back ground in therapy/coaching? YIKES! Can you imagine taking self help advice from ANY of the regulars on that show? If you weren't screwed up before, you darn sure would be after!

PS. I really have to laugh out loud when Noonan in her breathy bs way can't formulte a lucid thought. She was actually promoting apprenticeships; but she couldn't come up with the word. I think what she REALLY meant was indentured servitude; but clearly someone was giving her the benefit of the doubt. PPS. Someone should tell her about Vocational-Technical Schools. Man does she live in the winger PAST.

Ugh. Peggy Noonan. She is EXACTLY what I consider an out of touch, and totally partisan pundit. Apparently she has never worked for a living except to write treacle for Republican politicians. She is arrogant, ill informed and over-privileged. Noonan doesn't contribute ANYTHING to a political discussion except to make even the most moderate Democrat clasp their hands over their ears and run out of the room going "arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The Solyndragate smoking gun??

From MSDNC.com:

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration was worried about the financial health of a troubled solar energy company even as officials publicly declared the company in good shape, newly released emails show.

An email from a White House budget official to a co-worker discussed the likely effect of a default by Solyndra Inc. on President Barack Obama's re-election campaign.

"The optics of a Solyndra default will be bad," an official from the Office of Management and Budget wrote in a Jan. 31 email to a senior OMB official. "The timing will likely coincide with the 2012 campaign season heating up."

The email, released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee as part of its investigation into a half-billion dollar federal loan to Solyndra, said the budget official wanted White House budget director Jacob Lew to warn Energy Secretary Steven Chu about the risk posed by Solyndra, which was once the poster child for the Obama administration's clean energy program but by early this year was teetering on collapse.

At the time of the email, the Energy Department was pushing to release an additional $67 million to Solyndra. The Fremont, Calif.-based solar panel maker received a total of $528 million in federal loans before declaring bankruptcy Aug. 31 and laying off 1,100 workers.

This is what is wrong.

Huffington Post:

Bill O'Reilly and Liz Cheney sparred over the Iraq War on O'Reilly's Thursday show.

Cheney was on to promote the memoir she co-wrote with father Dick Cheney. O'Reilly, however, started by noting that the former vice president had never agreed to an interview. "I don't believe he likes me very much," he said. "I'm a little perplexed."

"Am I chopped liver?" Cheney responded in rather surprising Borscht Belt style.

O'Reilly said that the Bush administration had left "two big deficits": the economy and Iraq. He wondered why the administration was so "taken by surprise" when the subprime market collapsed. Liz Cheney said that it was Democrats' fault for not regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The conversation then turned to Iraq. O'Reilly played the infamous footage of Cheney saying the U.S. would be "greeted as liberators." Liz Cheney said that this had, in fact, happened.

"Here's why you're wrong," O'Reilly said. "We weren't greeted as liberators. We were greeted in a way that was tentative."

"That's not true," Cheney said. "Yes it is," he replied. He asked her if she knew how many people were present when Saddam Hussein's statue was pulled down.

"Do you know how many, Bill?" Cheney asked. "Yes, I do," he said. "A couple hundred ... Baghdad is a city of millions."

Cheney wondered what O'Reilly would have done. "Talked to Saddam?" she scoffed. He said he would have gone the "elder Bush" route and "strangled" Iraq with a blockade. She disagreed with this approach.

"I don't expect you and your father to agree with me, OK?" O'Reilly concluded. "But the blood and treasure that the United States spent in Iraq has now come back to our country in a very negative way."

______________________________________

These pundits have for years been on the wrong side of history. They are followers, not leaders. What Bill O’Reilly said here. He should have been saying this in 2002. It's what everybody should have been saying. DC has become one big echo chamber, with a few exceptions. They like tough talkin' cowboys. Why I'll never know.

The American public is inundated with opinions from all sides and none of it means anything. Pundits are not dealing with real people, real problems, real circumstances.

They think just because they have a microphone that that equals leadership. It doesn’t. Look how overblown the story was about President Obama switching nights for his speech to Congress. So so childish and unnecessary to over-react like that.

It’s been my experience that these pundits’ opinions don't mean a hill of beans in the real world. It’s corporate. It’s all about advertising and headlines. Or selling a book.

Lawrence O'Donnell and Rev. Sharpton I like. And a few others. Jonathan Alter. Richard Wolffe. Eugene Robinson. I just can't think of many others at the top of my head.

President Obama is judged in a way President Bush never was, until it was too late. Way way too late.

And meanwhile people die. Pundits are bullies, looking for ratings or a way to save their own taxes. The American people - average working people - you don't see them on tv at all.

You see very well to do pundits who don't connect. They connect to Wall Street and making sure President Obama doesn't raise their taxes.

When did this become our media. The media used to look out for us.

Instead they just echo nonsense talking points - from the GOP. Like always.

Mark and Domenico are fair, are honest and very professional.

We need a new generation of journalists like them. Desperately.

Hope everybody is sticking to the boycot over you know where.

THEY ARE NOT THE BASE.

Here's hoping the Koch Brothers 'investment' in Scott Walkers comes back to bite them in their fat wrinkly a@@es:

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker kept his distance Thursday from an investigation into one of his top agency officials, staying silent despite calls from his opponents to say what he knows about why FBI agents raided her home a day earlier.

Agents raided the home of Cynthia Archer, who held a top spot in Walker's office when he served as Milwaukee County executive and followed Walker to work in state government after last November's election.

The raid comes amid an ongoing secret Milwaukee County investigation that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, citing unnamed people familiar with the case, said focuses on whether county staffers in Walker's office did political work on the taxpayer dime.

This week's action is a reminder of long-simmering questions surrounding work by Walker's county staffers, one of whom admitted last year to anonymously posting pro-Walker comments on websites while on county time. It also raises questions about how deep the investigation will go and what implications it could have for the rising first-term Republican star.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/scott-walker-cynthia-archer-fbi-raid-wisconsin_n_965899.html

Something stinks and it ain't badger crap!

"O'Reilly concluded. "But the blood and treasure that the United States spent in Iraq has now come back to our country in a very negative way."

O'Reilly have an epiphany?

The same guy who ridiculed those of us publicly protesting the Iraq invasion?

The same guy who ridiculed those of us publicly protesting the Iraq invasion?

Bingo.

Congratulations Steeler Fan. Thoughtful questions.

Mark, Domenico, as always, you do a thorough job of answering; nice to hear insight into the media process. Thank you. FR and MSNBC is the best place for politics. Enjoyed the live tweets from the MSNBC/Politico debate; it was fun to read everyone's reactions to the answers. Laughed at the preference for football during the last one which seemed to have put all the tweeters to sleep!

Thanks Mark, appreciate the response.

Pat, Boston. As always, an excellent comment. I had not heard about the O'Reilly and Liz Cheney interview. It was heartening to read his challenge to Liz and the former VP's version of truth. It is too bad he didn't connect the dots much sooner.

MSNBC and FR are tops for politics. You named some of my favorites as well; E. J. Dionne. I enjoy Rachel Maddow's digging into topics often overlooked by others, "C" Street for example. MSNBC is particularly good at bringing in historians like Doris Kearns Goodwin, Douglas Brinkley and Michael Boeschloss (spelling?) during coverage of special presidential addresses or special events such as the 9/11 Memorial Service.

Feisty, thanks for posting that. Another reason why I enjoy FR, news I didn't see or hear about is provided.

Here's hoping the Koch Brothers 'investment' in Scott Walkers comes back to bite them in their fat wrinkly a@@es:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/scott-walker-cynthia-archer-fbi-raid-wisconsin_n_965899.html

Something stinks and it ain't badger crapI!

Thanks GF

I said the smoke screen over Solyandra was coming back to bite them in their greedy a$$es.

You cannot break the law of Karma.

You're having the ephinany, Richard...not O'Reilly.

Most of the time, most of the people posting at First Read have no idea whatsoever about who is saying what on Bill O'Reilly's show.

The majority of First Readers love every form of diversity imaginable...except, diversity of thought.

There's a reason that he and Jon Stewart are pals.

Imagine that.

Pat, good to see you.

I really value your opinions.

I'm so glad Steeler Fan's question started this discussion. I think MSNBC does a good job in trying to bring us all sides of the story. In my opinion that is what liberalism is; unfortunately we have to endure morning joke (those who watch him).

Thanks Pat, Jody & Bev! ;o)

First Read is indeed thee best place on the web for politics!

Greetings, Clara KCMO.

Isn't "indentured servitude" what young people will endure to pay for the entitlement programs of the boomers?

Thanks everybody. I'm tired of the pundits to be honest. I've had them off for a few weeks. It's all theatre for the most part if you really think about it.

On another note, as far as the Jobs Bill is concerned, Hurricane Irene did an awful lot of damage up here. Our infra-structure wasn't built to withstand the beatings.

We could put a lot of people to work updating it all. Keep in mind, Irene was only a Cat. 1, yet there is tens of millions of dollars in damage.

And obviously, the more hurricanes, blizzards, torrential downpours, etc., there are, the worse it's going to get and the more money it's going to cost to keep fixing all the roadways, bridges; repair damage to dams, roadways, etc.

Now is the time to do it.

Like I said, our infrastructure wasn't built for these storms.

Dom-

If you don't mind my asking...

Do you and Mark regard First Read's content as down-the-middle reporting...with no ideological bias whatsoever?

What does "Lean Forward" mean to you?

Why has First Read focused so intensely on Sarah Palin? Even First Read's most devoted fans have trouble understanding that, Dom...without regard to their individual partisan ideology.

Mark and Domenico, let me add to the good words about your work. As a former daily newspaper, radio, and TV reporter/editor, I know how difficult your job really is. You guys turn out a substantial volume of material every day, a difficult job. And, you have serious decisions to make each time about what to cover - there are so many, many available pieces, and so much stuff coming across your desks. And if you think it's challenging NOW, be glad you didn't have the same task during Watergate!

For example, when the UPI 5-bell lead came across my desk the night of the Watergate break-in, it was already past closing time for the morning edition. I found some space on the obit page, page 4, for a two-paragraph, 14-point-head, one column yarn. I'm STILL embarrassed about that ....

One thing I'd like to suggest to the political crew at MSNBC-TV is to widen your reach for on-air guests commenting on various events. I am so sick and tired of Michael Steele and the pop-eyed character from the Heritage Foundation. I will admit that lately Steele has become a bit milder, but he really, really is simply a puppet. There are so many excllent professors, authors and others who know this material inside-out, are not so directly attached to a small group of particular interest, and wouldn't simply recite the same tired refrain. It would be LOVELY to see someone disassemble the Heritage Foundation's propaganda, or make a very clear and intelligent critique of the various competing budget proposals.

Good job Steeler Fan!

It's a mix of both, but depending on the media, for example Talk Radio, it's deliberately outrageous (thus the term Shock Jock, or Talk Slut) -- there is NO journalistic standards (like facts) in Talk Radio. And the right-wing get their information from viral Emails and a lot of sources not regulated or held accountable at all. How about WorldNetDaily, and flying the banner about a birth certificate?

But even more moderate news outlets like CNN often lack depth. Where are the investigative reports--aside from Sanjay on cancer prevention? John King needs to drill down when he asks questions. The news is NOT a forum for people to spew propaganda. When people say outright lies and it's allowed to stand, WTF is that?

I love that Lawrence O'Donnell will not put up with outright lies on his program. Throwing Orly Taitz off was awesome, and now Joe Walsh has been banned, and I hope Marsha Blackburn is next. Blackburn needs to be banned if for no other reason than lack of civility and talking loudly over everyone with a non-stop rant of lies to support her Party.

We need to get back to the days of just reporting facts. MSNBC does the best job because they are not lazy--they have multiple programs instead of cycling the same 30 minutes like CNN, or having Sean Hannity rip into a guest. We need a return to civility--not the Jerry Springer show (NY 9).

John A. -- Sometime ago I made reference to professional-blog type posts, and you were one of the people I was thinking of. David Walker and a few others too. I'm not surprised to learn or your writing background. It's great to have people like you posting here.

Blackburn needs to be banned if for no other reason than lack civility and talking loudly over everyone with a non-stop rant of lies to support her Party.

Why Chris Matthews didn't cut off her mike the other night on Hardball is beyond me!

True p[atriot, thanks so much for your kind compliment.

David and I don't always see eye-to-eye, but he certainly does a fine job of presenting his points. I happen to know that he, too, is a one-time journiast who I encountered in Calfiornia, although not personally. Some people who post here devote a lot of time and thought to their pieces. Even if at times the grammar or spelling is a tad off, or someone who is a first-draft writer (as I tend to be) lets the thoughts get ahead of the typing, the care that goes into the substantive material is worthwhile.

Each of us has his or her own style and thought process. The diversity surely is enriching.

And YOUR posts are also extremely interesting. Good to see you here!

Feisty -- Scott Brown is another politician who does an excellent job of avoiding scrutiny by the media. This guy would probably fail even worse than Palin if he had an interview with Katie Couric. And like Rick Perry, I wish investigative reporters would start following the money.

Patriot - your remarks about following the money are dead-center. The best way to address both deception and malicious innuendo about any politician's campaign fundraising is for solid investigative reporters, who are given the time and resources to do the job, to look into those things. On the one hand, for example, right now there are nasty insiuations about President Obama and Solyndra - which, by the way, some posts on FR have demolished. On the other hand, maybe solid reporting will also clear Rick Perry from higs growing postential scandal about pay-for-play, too.

Good independent reporting would shed valuable light on that.

And so would a solid followup on the money coming out of Grover Norquist's client rolls, groups like the Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth, and the Cato Institute. But more than that, those groups have been really using the revolving-door system of hiring former key Hill staffers from the conservative side, or hiring family members and close friends of officeholders, either as lobbyists or as personnel inside corproations, trade associations, the "think tank" front groups.

The money has been flowing like a river for decades, and this entire system underlay a lot of the events that took place in the Bush Regime (and before).

Although that past record has been well-dcumented by a number of authors, the present-day machinations need to be examined, too. There's a REASON that the entire GOP delegations in both Houses of Congress are simply chanting the points of the Ryan budget in every possible forum - and if anyone follows the money, there are some cockroaches that will need to run from the light.

Attack Watch some states outlaw gambling but allow citizens to participate in the stock market is this an issue you can report.

John A. -- I don't have the writing/editing background, but I do have a longer memory then most Americans. For example, I found it interesting that Wolf Blitzer's hypothetical uninsured man in a coma should die, but these same pro-life zealots intervened to save Terri Schiavo (not so long ago). Or "if you don't support the war, you don't support the troops" lack of logic or what Al Gore calls Rule of Reason. Nonsensical inconsistency, or nontroversies, are what we see instead.

Aside from the role of a free press in a democracy being a watch dog and helping to inform the public, we need to start teaching research methodology, critical thinking, and the scientific method in high school. Then when one goes to the Kato Institute website and reads their BS about how tax cuts pay for themselves, they could see there is no data or any other real evidence to support the claim.

But the polarization started in the 90s, when FOX and the Internet came into being as sources of information. A double-edged sword to be sure with bad information being worse than no information at all. I'd like to see a billboard with a photo of William F. Buckley and the slogan "Do you miss this guy yet?" Better education is the only solution I can think of.

"...cut off her mike...", Feisty?

How would you feel if First Read (not its bloggers) "cut off" YOUR "mike", Feisty?

Because, First Read's bloggers have repeatedly cut off YOUR mike, Feisty.

You ought to be perfectly OK with the notion.

Right, Feisty Redhead?

lol

How would you feel if First Read (not its bloggers) "cut off" YOUR "mike", Feisty?

I'm used to it bag boy - you & your ilk do it to me everyday here @ First Read...

See, the thing is, I don't care anymore, judging by the vote totals people are opening it to see what I have to say...

That's right a WHOLE lot of people! ;o)

(not its bloggers)

Actually, by First Read continuing with the asinine policy the 'collapse' feature and allowing the inmates to run the asylum they are complicit in 'cutting off my mike'...

Feisty-

DELIGHTED to actually be chatting with you.

I thought you were ignoring me.

"Vote totals" at First Read?

YOUR First Read, Feisty?

You're so silly.

I thought you were ignoring me.

Precisely the opposite bag boy.

Your contributions don't meet my weighty criteria for you earn a seat on my ignore author list!

I hear you, Feisty...

But, more importantly...you hear me!

lol

Leona, it appears that you might be more out of touch than any pundit.

Leona

That "spread the wealth around" comment referred to the historically high income inequality we are building up in this country.

In the 1970s, the average CEO made 30 times what an hourly worker made. Today, a CEO makes 300 times what an hourly worker makes. THis is why people feel the country is moving in the wrong direction. The rich are getting richer, even in this recession, and the middleclass is shrinking. Republicans are fine with this direction, Democrats are not.

" No one called him on it."

So, then, you also do not own a TV?

DBO:

You are so right!!!

The MSM stayed on the Joe The Plumber story for weeks!!! That is what made him a household name.

I can't believe how some people twist the truth to fit their narrative!!

PUT THE KOOL AID DOWN, and let's see, when even MSNBC asks....."Are pundits out of touch?", WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM with Obama.........

I blame the so called "journalists" for Oblunder's Presidency.

LEONA-2986819,

These Commits by people like you show where you stand. It’s every person for themselves and screw everyone else. Don’t you understand the CEO’s are the lords of the land, and they don’t give a Damm about you or anyone else.

Your kind makes me sick.

LEONA, Sounds more like you drank the Kool Aid. You've got Fox on the brain. Please get back on your meds.

Clara KCMO

did anyone catch morning joe this morning where half of the people there had a back ground in therapy/coaching? YIKES! Can you imagine taking self help advice from ANY of the regulars on that show? If you weren't screwed up before, you darn sure would be after!

PS. I really have to laugh out loud when Noonan in her breathy bs way can't formulte a lucid thought.

Clara

I cannot not watch morning joke. How many times did Peggy evoke Reagan's name?

One thing the righties can't say is that MSNBC is in the tank for President Obama. It's balanced in the morning; but certainly not fair; just like FOX.

Leona, what you fail to grasp is that President Obama was not talking about making everyone's income the same; he was not advocating taking all the money from the rich and giving it to everyone else. You really need to study up on socialism so that you use the term correctly. There is good socialism and bad socialism. Good socialism is public schools, roads, bridges, fire and police, US military, aid to the poor and disabled. Bad socialism is communism where no privately owned industry or facility exists; where there is no private ownership of land or homes. Joe the Plumber later admitted that President Obama was right in his assessment of the income disparity in this country and what needed to happen to correct the unequal sacrifice by the middle and lower income earners.

It never ceases to amaze me that some conservatives on this board, who likely do not make anywhere near $200,000 and who likely pay a higher tax rate than do millionaires and billionaires, object to raising taxes on the wealthy to the levels they were under President Ronald Reagan in order to help solve the country's economic problems and to share the sacrifice required to get America moving again. Reagan would be appalled today at the conservative distortion of his beliefs and the whitewashing of what his policies actually were.

Clara, I saw Peggy Noonan taking stage and changed channels. Your description of half the people on Morning Joe explains why I rarely watch it any more; the political discussion is less than informative and now I know why.

Jody, with all due respect to your beliefs about Obama, he is a Socialist. You may appreciate that but, as for myself, I believe raising taxes on so called "rich people" will serve to defeat attempts at job creation. Add that to the cost of Obamacare for business owners, and this President's policies are "job killers." Why don't you ask business owners instead of filling your head with fantasy theories from liberal gurus whose ideas about economics DON'T WORK. p.s. as for Peggy Noonan, not that I agree with her views, do you ONLY watch people who align their views with your own? You might want to hear the opposite view sometime and open your mind!

Leona - the so called "rich people" had tax breaks for over 10 years. So where are the jobs that was suppose to trickle down.

Jody, it amazes me that the FR libs and obama think that asking just the wealthy to do a "little more" is going to solve our economic issues. What is wrong with our economy is more structural in nature than just who earns the most money.

Last fall I had no problem with letting all of the bush tax cuts expire, recently ira lapin mentioned how letting ALL of bushes tax cuts expire would have added about $3.5 trillion back into the economy over ten years. But all obama and FR libs could see was the $800 billion over ten years that may have been added by allowing only the top 2% to expire. Of course, I realize that obama is playing towards an audience that he hopes will re-elect him. Do you really think that if he does become re-elected with no re-election fears facing him, he will just ignore the benefits of that $2.5 trillion over ten tears that can be added to the economy? The current congressional rights staunch stand of no tax increases is doomed to failure over the long term. But their willingness to address tax reform and keep on addressing wanton spending in the short term speaks volumes on trying to contain/reduce our debt by changing past habits of congress, administrations and complacency of the American populace.

Interesting that the house passed a FY2012 budget that would have allowed some tax deductables to have been eliminated and that even boehner put forth his own agreement with obama to look at tax reform, what has the left done other than talk or propose only raising corporate and wealthy taxes?

Think the left is ready to undo the tax loopholes they created over the years? It seems that the right is trying harder than obama and the left.

Hey Libbies , read up and hear the truth for once! Check out who's liking the "millionaires and billionaires". Could it be the Blamer-In- Chief ?!:.........."This is a central part of Obama’s 2012 political pitch: That he is above politics, while his adversaries are unpatriotically grubbing for votes.

It takes chutzpah to make that case in the midst of a swing-state tour and at a dinner for political donors, but it’s an argument that Obama relied on during his remarkable political rise. It is understandable that he would want to use the same tool now that he is seeking to revive his fortunes.

The scandals, though, make the task harder.

The latest one involves confidential testimony from Gen. William Shelton, head of the Air Force’s Space Command, whom congressional sources say told a House Armed Services subcommittee that he was pressured to change his prepared remarks in a way that would benefit a major Democratic donor.

Philip Falcone is one of the big backers of LightSquared, a telecommunications company that wants to develop a nationwide satellite phone network. Falcone is a billionaire hedge-fund manager who is known as “the Midas of misery” for his skills at exploiting economic failure. He is also a big political campaign contributor, usually to Democrats."

Attack Watch other news outlets are reporting that a four star general is accusing the current administration of pressuring him on what to and not say, can you make them stop.

Ana, that's NOT what the polls say. BTW, did you happen to hear that a REPUB. won in A.Weiner's ( sex scandal , remember?) old district? When asked, the voters said it was a referendum on Obama. GOP 2012 !!!!!!!!!!

Correct Leona, but said winner of NY-09 is reportedly an ex-Jerry Springer show producer!

...trafficking in sex exploits for Springer?...Wow...

So those with high moral values in NY-09 chose a producer of sex exploitation and dysfunction and consider that a step up from Weiner?

NOT!

chilled, well, I guess we will let the VOTERS decide who's better for the community, NOT YOU. Since they kicked Weiner out for a sex scandal and NOW the Dem who was running (Weprin),

you're on the wrong side of the issues AGAIN.

Turner will be a representative for one year. That is why Democrats did not spend any real money on that race. I would not have either. You need to spend your money wisely. Republicans, on the other hand, spent lots of money on that seat. I am glad they did. Less money for the real elections coming up in 2012.

you're on the wrong side of the issues AGAIN!

@Leona...

In my world, it's not wrong to be on the side of the middle class in America and support policies that benefit/help the working poor, old, or handicapped...especially policies that create JOBS!

"That is why Democrats did not spend any real money on that race."

Do you live in NY ? Check the facts , you're off on that. haha.

chilled: "especially policies that create JOBS!"

Gee, I heard Solyndra LOST jobs and spent over $500 million of tax payer money ! I guess you don't pay taxes, so why would you care about that? Some of us tax payers care where our money goes. We don't want Obama deciding it for us. Stimulus 1 did NOT work and neither does "green jobs." GO GOP 2012!

chilled: "especially policies that create JOBS!"

@Leona...

Guess you're against JOB creation, and consider the Jerry Springer Show a Public Service Announcement!

....and the Iraq Invasion a form of Job Creation (that's where billions/trillions of taxpayer money went)!

Leona and her kind are just un-patriotic Americans.

AnaBanana-1782128

Turner will be a representative for one year. That is why Democrats did not spend any real money on that race

____________________________________________________________________________________

In New York's 9th Congressional District, Democrat David Weprin raised more than twice as much money as Republican Bob Turner before Tuesday's election: $684,400 versus $322,900, according to research by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Moreover, Democratic aligned groups -- namely the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the House Majority PAC, a super PAC that is allowed to raise donations without limits -- spent an additional $676,900 on Weprin's behalf. That represents 87 percent of all outside spending in the contest.

But it was all in vain.

Turner, who was aided by conservative groups such as the National Organization for Marriage and Republican Jewish Coalition, bested Weprin in the district that had given President Barack Obama 55 percent of its votes in 2008.

Overall, conservative outside groups spent $102,900 in the New York special election, according to the Center's research. That represents just 13 percent of all outside spending in the race.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/big-money-flows-in-new-york-nevada.html

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Republicans, on the other hand, spent lots of money on that seat.

_________________________________________________________________________

Turner, who was aided by conservative groups such as the National Organization for Marriage and Republican Jewish Coalition, bested Weprin in the district that had given President Barack Obama 55 percent of its votes in 2008.

Overall, conservative outside groups spent $102,900 in the New York special election, according to the Center's research. That represents just 13 percent of all outside spending in the race.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/big-money-flows-in-new-york-nevada.html

__________________________________________________________________________________

Ana-

What do you call it when someone posts something that is completely refuted by the facts?

dangerfield, thanks for the links with those actual numbers...... haha, the LIbs love to tell people who disagree with them what is going on. TOO BAD THEY ARE USUALLY WRONG. That's why I call them kool aid drunks. haha

LEONA-2986819

OMG!!!

but what if the one who posted the actual numbers WAS a lib? What would that do to your "theory"?

What if I told you that you are just as drunk as they are, but on a different FLAVOR...

Would you still thank me?

_____________________________________________________________

So Ana-

You're the one who should have replied to this as you were the author of the misinformation...

dangerfield, Definitely, I still thank you for the exact money denominations. As far as the "kool aid" thing goes, there are always exceptions to every rule. Maybe you're a kool aid drunk, maybe not. I will let you decide. You dont have to get back to me on it, haha..... Have a nice weekend.

Congratulation, to Steelers fan. Everyone have a good weekend.

Same here, no sound. Mark and Domenico, why can't you guys put up a transcript?

Steeler fan may not have been collapsed,

but the Steelers collapsed last week, while our man Brady threw for 500 yards!

Congrats Steeler ....

A lot of 'stuff' was said by Mark & Dominico....about the process however, I believe that provoking the viewing audience/viewers is paramount to the media and their bottom line!

I recall the endless loop of Rev Wright...versus only a hint of Palins' Witch Doctor! No balance! Rev Wright was more provacative!

I know, Amy, I can't stream at work either,...I wish they would publish the text (like HuffPo does) on these deals. I will have to wait; but invariably will never get back to it! You know what my weekends are like,...lol

hey, dbo, it wasn't just SOMEONE,...did you see this little PEARL straight from The Heritage Foundation?

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/Understanding-Poverty-in-the-United-States-Surprising-Facts-About-Americas-Poor

They have finally managed to indict the poor for having ***gasp*** AIR CONDITIONING.

The absolute horror of a family of four bringing in $22,000/year and having them be cool during the summer. Man o Man is that an outrage.

I say this all the time,...so you'd think I would learn; but when I think the party of self proclaimed Christians can sink no lower, someone hands them a friggin' shovel and they willfully display their brand of 'compassion'. The only thing missing from this article is the part teachers and first responders play in the current state of the country.

I stay away from the heritage foundation. They advertise on Hannity. How impartial could they be??

The first stimulus package created millions of jobs. Also, let's not forget the 17 Billion with a B that Texas got to balance their budget.

Second the facts show that there were more regulations on business in the 1990s than there are today. So, this is just another lie by Boehner and his Republican-Tea Potty Thugs.

Fact under W. Bush 6.1 trillion in debt Under President Obama 2.4 trillion with I trillion of the 2.4 for the stimulus package that worked

DBO-

You are on point today!

Your talking points are so straight and to the point. The MSM allows that kind of nonsense to go unchallenged most of the time.

One of the few exceptions is Lawrence O'Donnell who calls these liars out on a regular basis and has facts and figures to dispute the claims; and the fact that he worked for several years on the Senate Finance Committee gives his insight credibility.

DBO report this to Attack Watch and tell them to make them stop.

The view is pretty good from the cheap seats.

Well said. Those guys don't have any skin in the game.

Fact checks please. The Republican-Tea Potty wouldn't know a fact if it bit them on the azz.

Bob, Feisty is determined to go down with the Titanic, this PRESIDENT. She'll be here spewing hate against anyone who disagrees with her until the last life boat is hoisted over from the Obama Presidency ( Titanic) .

Yay Steeler Fan! Couldn't have happened to a nicer person! :o)

Thanks for the shout out, Nash. Have a great weekend.

emma richmond

That is so true. I can't figure out why either. They know he's none of the things they accuse him of. The criticism the pundits advocate is like being smart, young, agile, intelligent, successful, educated, charismatic, is bad and being dumb is something to be proud of.

The schism they're trying only brings us closer (his supporters) and more supportive. The President had more people the night of NFL, 31 million, that those who watched the game.

People are tried of this divisiveness.

emma: "Most of the Media is Bias toward one person in this country in this Country the Hate for President Obama is Sad..."

The hate is for Obama's POLICIES, not him. That's what you don't understand. When liberals wanted Bush out of office, they accused him of things he wasn't even guilty of. Did you forget? Now, we still have Obama and the Dems BLAMING Bush (3 yrs. later) for their own FAILED liberal policies. The media propped Obama up until this point. It will no longer work because of the scandals with "green energy" subsidies from "stimulus 1" being uncovered . Even the liberal media can't "spin it" away.

My problem is that too many people take what pundits say as fact instead of opinion and the media doesn't do much to differentiate or correct that impression.

Sue its interesting to me how much I agree with your post yet have no idea which side of the political spectrum your views are...it only makes me think even more that all sides (where some reason exists...) are crying out for real media

Sue "....but at least my views are completely my own, a product of reading and research across a wide range of source materials, and a dose of plain and simple logic and common sense."

There is a problem , though. The left leaning bias exists in most of the press. So how can you know if the truth is sometimes being suppressed? There are things we are finding out now about these "green " companies. Up till now we were lied to. These companies don't turn a profit, don't create jobs and the tax payer millions ( "stimulus") are gone.

Leona, first off there is not left leaning bias in most of the press. The moment we heard it we liberals all knew it was a lie.

The lie was actually for you Leona, the conservatives knew that more and truth would be coming out and the best way to keep you from believing any of it was to convince you that only what you heard on faux could you trust to be true.

Faux only gives you censored news. All you get on faux is right wing propaganda meant to direct your thinking. The fact that you think the media is so left leaning means you buy their propaganda.

especially funny is how you point to Fox News as right wing propaganda but tell Leona there is not left leaning bias in most of the press....shows your lack of intellectual honesty

Americans First, I watch Fox the LEAST of any news outlet. You should not assume you know anything about me because you assume too much. I gather that my opinion has you upset and you disagree with me. That's fine but you should stop there. The truth always comes out and points to who got the REAL story and who drank the kool aid.

Again there is not a left leaning bias in most of the press. It is another lie that you have bought. You could probably count the number of left leaning political television shows on one hand.

If there are more, please let me know?

Leona, I do not know who you watch, I just know that you repeat the faux daily taiking point on here rather regularly. When you repeat right wing propaganda how am I to know?

Look what the press has done to Plain, Bachman and Perry. Every time one of them began to look strong in the polls, they were attacked and portrayed as "stupid" and "crazy". We may or may not want one of them as President, but they are certainly not what the press says about them. They are well educated and rose to prominence in outstanding positions. Not an easy task and certainly NOT possible for a "stupid" person.

Leona you are 100% correct on this

Gregor, does it ever occur to these liberals that while they call Palin ,Bachman and Perry "crazy" and "stupid" that Biden is out there "gaffing" all over the country. ( not to mention the President saying there are 57 states )