Pay-To-Pray-Perry and Ms. Bachmann.

'We don't care for anyone at all. Just God.'

Backhouse - give it a rest, would you?

Personally I feel Perry overstepped his bounds on this. He felt like he was doing something good, but obviously jamming an immunization (body invasive) is the wrong thing for anyone to take on by themselves. Even though the drug has FDA approval, it isn't his responsibility to force anyone to take it. This is what scares me about Perry. He's as bad as Obama but in a different way. I can't find my way to trust a globalist New World Order supporter for president.

Brian,

I feel quite rested. We are here to express our views.

So - let me be expressive of my views... Either you believe in God, or you don't. If you don't, that's your choice. If you do... again your choice. When is it OK to put someone down for their faith? Is that now becoming politically correct in liberaldom? What gives YOU the right to make fun of anothers faith, especially when you don't even have a clue of what their belief systems holds. Is yours better than theirs? Do you feel holier than thou by making snide remarks? Just curious... it helps me understand the liberal mind so I can use it against you guys later on.

Brian,

I respect and support all faiths that demonstrate and support caring for others.

I think Jesus was into that kind of stuff.

True, this guy does not recongnize a politican when he sees one...especially one that has move lies than truth in his speaches. I would hope that this country had more to offer than a texan who has no clue as to what he is doing, other than taking money from lobbyist in texas. The rest of the republican field is not any better...they are all more interested in beating Obama than this country....and show it every time they speak...The tea party group really are ...somewhere..in the back pockets of big business..and verify that with every talk they give. Ryan today even said that he was more concerned with big business tax cuts than the wealfare of the middle class. As for all those jobs he and other republicans claim will come from this tax cut..I have to wonder where they all are today from the tax cuts big business got with Bush..we lost many more jobs than were gained to China alone thanks to the trade deals congress passed....

Brian B, I fully support freedom of religion and freedom from religion--whatever one chooses. The problem is when conservative candidates for elected office use God as a political football; invoking he told them to run, prayer rallies to promote their campaigns. One's religion and faith is personal but I find using God as a political crutch to garner votes to be despicable.

Jody, consider this. Almost 95% of all Americans believe in God... many different denominations, different sects, etc. but a belief none the less. There are only approximately 5% that are either agnostic or athiest. For a candidate to express his views on his beliefs isn't unappropriate in this country.

Personally I feel that it's only the liberals that complain about it because they are looking for any angle to put down a republican candidate. Perry's religion is harmless as is Bachmans. How do their faith effect you in any way? It doesn't. If you don't understand how independent churches express their faith then how you express your disdain is as biased as racism. In this country we are allowed to express our religion. It doesn't matter if a person is private sector or a politician. The freedom of religion covers everyone in any walk of life. Just because you want to use his religion as a put down has nothing to do with him running for president.

Brianb,

If only it were that simple. Instead we've got people freaking out that Keith Ellison and Andre Carson are currently serving in Congress. We've got people worried about Sharia Law being imposed in this country. We've had people concerned about which church President Obama was going to attend.

...and let's not forget that in 2008 President Obama was accused of being both a Muslim and a radical Christian at the same time.

Jody, do you agree,

A person's religion is often by birth and sometimes not. In truth, it is a private matter.

But any office of power is a sacred trust.

The way you treat others is what really counts, something concrete that others can see & know.

Anyone genuinely fighting for jobs on behalf of the millions of families right now out here, who are somehow surviving without jobs and/safety nets.....

.......is demonstrating true spirituality.

There is no doubt Perry's HPV executive order was motivated by money. Which begs the question what isn't motivated by money, and Palin is correct to accuse Perry of "crony capitalism." But then that's all Palin is good at, throwing one-line barbs at other people.

Bachmann is correct to question Perry's allegiances, which should include his "born again" lies. Does anyone want a Bible toting White House again--Remember the Dept. of Justice-Goodling scandal of Loyalty Oaths and hiring Evangelicals? We're watching a really bad sequel right now.

Unfortunately Bachmann is not correct to start rumours about mental retardation, nor anyone's assertion that inoculation leads to promiscuity. The bacteria linked to cervical cancer is extremely common because it causes no symptoms in men. I know someone who contracted it after getting married.

The bottom line is Teabaggers want anarchy, Republicans want a plutocracy, and all of them want to abolish Separation of Church and State to live in a theocracy and to return to the Dark Ages. Run away, American people, run away as fast as you can!

And TruePatriot is deranged. Screaming anarchy and theocracy are the common threads coming from TruePatriot. Just another meaningless set of rants from a radical liberal that is completely void of any realism when it comes to opposing viewpoints.

Great thing is, I can say anything I want about TruePatriot because she has me blocked. The sad part of it is she lives in her own world, afraid of any opposing thought on what she thinks is truth.

Backhouse - I agree that a person's faith is a private matter. That does not mean it can't be expressed in the open. A lot of people don't express it because they are afraid of the ridicule from those that have no couth. My faith has been made fun of plenty of times, but that doesn't stop me from expressing it. I have no problem answering the hard questions about it either.

I'll take the bait -- So Brianb you are crying like a little school girl again?

You think mixing religion into politics is a good idea? You think abolishing our government is not anarchy? You think the current disparity between rich and poor and politicians who are in debt to special interests like Big Oil, Big Pharm, insurance companies, (or investment bankers like Scott Brown for example) is not trending toward a plutocracy? Oh that's right, you and your ilk have no clue what "socialism" or any other term means.

Democracy is something that requires vigilance. No doubt you think the slippery slope or "gateway" hyperbole from the right-wing is legitimate but not so much from anyone else. We all know the hypocrisy never ends.

I have taken political ideology tests over the years, and always score center leaning to the left. I have always been registered as an Independent (since the 80s--not a temper tantrum like Republicans now), and used to vote a split ticket. Many of my posts in these threads are rejected by liberals, because I am a moderate. But then you wouldn't know that because if you took a political ideology test, you would score so far to the right it would off the chart.

All you ladies just run along now, and quit making your usual incorrect assumptions. The rest of us have real issues to discuss.

Brian,

It is the way we treat others and look out for others that counts.

Brian B., you ignored what I said about using God for political gain; I did not say it was inappropriate to ever mention their faith or discuss their faith in God, I said I disapprove of using God as a political crutch. There's a big difference between having faith and in using faith for political gain. To be honest, I see very little Christian values, very little God and Jesus in what these conservative candidates actually say and do.

Backhouse, yes, I agree with you.

Jody, I ignored it on purpose. I don't argue with personal opinion based topics. It is your personal opinion that Perry or Bachmann are using their religion for political gain. It's not my opinion they are. Just because a news article points out that Perry went to a prayer meeting doesn't mean he paid to have it said. There's a difference between just living your life in the public spotlight and having newshounds chase after you at every venue.

If Perry makes a statement like... we pray to God for rain... how is that different than President Obama saying God bless the United States of America?

Like I said earlier... liberals are using Perry's religion as an attack point. It's wrong to do that.

You don't know what he believes. Just because you see little snippets of his life, you are acting as a judge to determine whether or not he lives up to your perceived standards of what you think he's supposed to live like. It's you that are being judgemental.

Who made you judge and jury over his spiritual life? You believe wrongly. We are not judged by God over works... we are judged by faith. Look it up in the Bible if you don't believe me. You are judging him by what think are wrong works... and that's not what religion is all about. I know you don't understand it... or you would have the discernment to see it

"Perry's 'going to have to be a little clearer' on HPV"

Why? Obama was 'not clear' on anything when he first ran for President. Come to think of it, he still isn't.

You mean Michelle Bachmann should agree with you Bev? I seriously doubt she'd agree with you on any matter.

These GOP/TP presidential pretenders are one of a kind group. The way they lie in the name of God is simply unbelievable. Remember, Perry and Bachman, thou shall no call the name of thy God in vain.

Pen - as if you actually believe that commandment. I guess it only becomes a liberal talking point with you, eh?

Brianb-999431

The problem with you guys on the right is that you believe Liberals don't know God. You are so wrong. I leave in Christ Jesus every day of my life because He's a very good God and He leaveth in me always. ILMAO...

PEN - I know liberals that believe in God. I oftentimes wonder about the duplicity of liberals that also believe in abortion.

Brianb-999431

Is that why you kill Doctors and patients who perform abortions and destroy their clinics? Killing for God like the Talibans and other Islamic extremist groups kill for Allah (God) an act we so much abhor. How many virgins were you promised for these unspeakable acts, Brianb? Are you the judge or God? Imperfection is man but perfection is God. Let him God, be thy judge.

Correction, that should be "sexual activity among teenagers and young adults".

I think this is a tough one.

Perry may have got the decision right but the process seems very wrong. This is not a virus you catch unless you are sexually active (correct). At that point in my mind it should not be mandatory like smallpox, measles, whooping cough, polio etc, but optional based on a personal decision. Unlike the other diseases there is no need for herd protection. And I agree with chilled below, why are girls being mandated?

And no I'm not buy the argument that it makes you more promiscuous but it does seem to be a decision that can be delayed until the individual is 18 and decide for themselves.

Alan, it is a tough one. I have heard several expert physicians explain it, age 11-12 is the age when the body accepts the antibodies in the vaccine most effectively to prevent HPV; the older the girls, the less effective it is. While I understand your argument about the mandate, I also see it as a positive, it protects these girls when they do become sexually active.

Jody, in addition to the effectiveness you mention, we have to acknowledge that some 11-12 year olds are sexually active. This is obviously a complicated issue---medical, legal, moral issues to be considered.

@jody/Steeler

I think we agree that regardless of the result the process, an executive order, was flawed.

Alan, Steeler, agreed. It is complicated on so many levels; I have mixed feelings about the mandate. Nice to have a good discussion about it.

Below is from the CDC.gov website!

The focus has been on 11-12 year old girls, but apparently, the same applies for boys in that age group, so why not offer to innoculate all youngsters, not just the girls?

"Are there ways to lower my chances of getting HPV?

A safe and effective HPV vaccine (Gardasil) is available to protect males against the HPV types that cause most (90%) genital warts and most anal cancers.

The vaccine is available for boys and men, ages 9 through 26 years. It is given in three shots over six months. Condoms (if used with every sex act, from start to finish) may lower your chances of passing HPV to a partner or developing HPV-related diseases. But HPV can infect areas that are not covered by a condom—so condoms may not fully protect against HPV.

Because HPV is so common and usually invisible, the only sure way to prevent it is not to have sexual contact. Even people with only one lifetime sex partner can get HPV, if their partner was infected with HPV

Chilled. I think the reason boys weren't included is because they didn't realize it was equally effective for boys to prevent HPV; they were focused on preventing cervical cancer.

I heard that, Steeler Fan. From what Michael Isikoff reported, it was $28,500 plus giving his Chief of Staff a job. The political favors for cash bothers me but I do support the idea of preventing cancer. He had to do a mandate because too many conservatives think only in terms of promoting sexual activity rather than reality of cancer prevention.