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President Obama holds up his jobs bill during a speech yesterday at N.C. State University.
Is Obama’s jobs plan a political trap for Republicans?... But even if that’s true, are congressional Democrats already self-destructing?... Boehner unveils his own jobs plan at 12:30 pm ET… Romney hearts Cheney, suggesting he’s a model for his VP choice… Newt wants a safe exit from Afghanistan… Missouri and the GOP calendar… And is Gov. Lynch (D) not going to seek re-election in 2012?
*** A trap for Republicans? Yesterday, South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint summed up the potential political peril for Republicans on President Obama’s jobs legislation. “If we vote for this plan, we’ll own the economy with the president, and he desperately needs someone else to blame it on,” DeMint said. “If we vote against it, he’s going to try to say Congress blocked his ability to create jobs.” Indeed, on paper, the politics on this job bill potentially is in the White House’s favor. The question is whether Democrats unite around it and whether -- as DeMint puts it -- Republicans allow themselves to get trapped. While that Bloomberg poll we cited yesterday found a majority (51%) doubting the jobs bill will create jobs, a new Gallup poll finds that 45% want their member of Congress to vote for the legislation and just 32% want their member to vote against it (23% didn’t know enough about it). And a recent CNN/Opinion Research poll shows a plurality liking the president’s jobs plan outline by a 43%-35% margin, but with 22% undecided. The frustrated public simply may want “something” over “nothing.”
*** But are Dems already self-destructing? So the politics appear to be on the White House’s side. But are Democrats going to self-destruct? Just check out these quotes on the jobs bill from Dem members, per the New York Times. “I think the American people are very skeptical of big pieces of legislation,” said Sen. Bob Casey. “For that reason alone I think we should break it up.” Here’s Sen. Mary Landrieu: “I have said for months that I am not supporting a repeal of tax cuts for the oil industry.” Rep. Peter DeFazio: “I have been very unequivocal: No more tax cuts.” Sen. Joe Manchin: “I have serious questions about the level of spending that President Obama proposed.” And Rep. Heath Shuler: “The most important thing is to get our fiscal house in order. Then we can talk about other aspects of job creation.” (Um, didn’t Congress just pass some serious budget cuts back in August?) The Democratic griping is well under way, and it undercuts the White House’s message -- no matter how good the politics are. Republicans never panic the way Dems do. Just look at how Republicans handled the Ryan budget plan.
*** Boehner unveils his own jobs plan: Meanwhile, House Speaker John Boehner is delivering his own jobs speech today at 12:30 pm ET. In remarks to the Economic Club of Washington, per NBC’s Frank Thorp, Boehner will say that while the House will consider Obama’s proposals -- some of which offer opportunities for common ground -- they are no substitute for the pro-growth policies needed to remove barriers to job creation in America. He will discuss the GOP’s “Plan for America’s Job Creators,” which is focused on streamlining and reforming the tax code, stopping regulations, and cutting Washington spending. Moreover, Thorp reports that Boehner also will offer a path he believes the “Super Committee” should follow: advance tax reform, and address the structural problems in entitlement programs. But the speaker will stress that tax reform should include closing loopholes -- but that tax increases are not an option.
*** Romney hearts Cheney? Over the past couple of weeks, Mitt Romney has done a very good job of positioning himself to win independent votes -- if he becomes the GOP nominee. For example, he’s cast himself as the protector of Social Security (in his contrast with Rick Perry). And his overall jobs/economic message is very indy-friendly. That’s why it came as a surprise to hear Romney go out of his way to praise someone that isn’t exactly held in high regard by the political middle: former Vice President Cheney “Whether you agree or disagree with him, this is a man of wisdom and judgment,” Romney said, according to NBC’s Garrett Haake. "That's the kind of person I'd like to have -- a person of wisdom and judgment."
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Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich speaking at a town hall in Florida, Wednesday, September 14, 2011.
*** Newt wants a safe exit from Afghanistan: Following a town hall event at an Orlando public library, Newt Gingrich told NBC’s Jamie Novogrod that American troops should come out of Afghanistan as soon as the U.S. military can arrange a safe exit. "I don't see us creating a stable government in Afghanistan in the foreseeable future," Gingrich said. "I think that we'd be far better off to get out as early as the generals can figure a safe way to do it." Meanwhile, Perry said this yesterday, which seemed to contradict his remarks at Monday’s debate about wanting to exit Afghanistan: “Our response cannot be to isolate ourselves within our borders, but to engage our allies and the quest to build these enduring allies around the world for freedom,” he said.
*** On the 2012 trail: Perry stumps in Iowa, speaking at a Greene County GOP fundraiser in Jefferson at 7:00 pm ET… Huntsman continues to campaign in New Hampshire… Rick Santorum’s in South Carolina… And Bachmann is out in California.
*** Show Me the Calendar: Per NBC’s John Bailey, Missouri could be the latest state to jump toward the front of the Republican primary calendar. A bill to move Missouri’s primary from February back to March stalled in the state Senate yesterday. Any state other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, or South Carolina that holds its primary or caucus before March 6 is stripped of half its delegates, according to GOP party rules. Arizona has already jumped the March 6 cutoff and will lose half of its delegates, and Florida is likely to follow. Michigan and Georgia, meanwhile, have left the door open to jumping the deadline, and Missouri may now be on that list as well. (Hat tip: Josh Putnam at Frontloading HQ.) More on the calendar craziness on “Daily Rundown” in minutes.
*** Is Lynch not going to run for re-election in NH? Are Dems going to have to deal with a key gubernatorial vacancy next year? “The state's only governor to serve four consecutive terms, Gov. John Lynch, will discuss his future plans Thursday at Manchester's Northwest Elementary School,” the New Hampshire Union Leader reports. “There has been much speculation in Concord this summer about whether Lynch would seek a fifth term as governor, or if he would step down after his fourth term as most observers expected after he won his last election in 2010. WKXL's Chris Ryan tweeted Wednesday evening that the radio station had learned the governor will not run again. A handful of other media sources also reported Wednesday that Lynch would announce he would not run. ‘Anyone who is saying anything about it right now is merely speculating,’ Lynch spokesman Colin Manning said Wednesday night.”
*** Thursday's "Daily Rundown" line-up: Former Bachmann 2012 Campaign Manager Ed Rollins on the state of the race… Sen. John Thune (R-SD) on President Obama’s jobs bill and Boehner’s jobs speech today… One of us (!!!) and Davidson College Professor Josh Putnam, who runs frontloading.blogspot.com, on the evolving GOP 2012 calendar… Plus more 2012 news with National Journal’s Beth Reinhard, New York Times’ Jeff Zeleny, and former Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL).
*** Thursday’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” line-up: NBC’s Chuck Todd is guest-hosting, and he will interview Time’s Rick Stengel (on the magazine’s interview with Perry), National Journal’s Ron Fournier, and the Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza. The show also will cover Boehner’s jobs speech.
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Here’s another exceptional example of a tea bagger who thinks he can thumb his nose at the law…
None other than DEAD BEAT DAD Joe Walsh (R) IL.
Ol' Joe seems to have forgot he's ONLY a Congressman NOT a King!
It’s not immoral enough he owes $117K in back child support he now believes he doesn’t have to
respond to the law!
From the Sun-Times
(Emphasis added)
I wouldn’t worry too much Joe about placing “debt upon the backs of my kids and grandkids – you’re actions towards your own children speak louder than words!
What a resolute family values man…
“PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL”
Politico has a Hillaryous two minute video showing Barry in various speeches saying this line over and over and over and over and over and over……. well, you get the point. They end the written part of the piece with:
To get a better sense of the talking point ad nauseam, watch our montage.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0911/the_full_montage_139c34e7-f6da-45b5-8c42-db9370dc0e56.html
Maybe Harry Reid should watch this video a few times because he doesn’t seem to be in any big hurry to “PASS THIS BILL”:
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, has said he will put the bill on the legislative calendar but has declined to say when. He almost certainly will push the bill — which Mr. Obama urged Congress to pass “right now!” — until after his chamber’s recess at the end of the month; Mr. Reid has set votes on disaster aid, extensions for the Federal Aviation Administration and a short-term spending plan ahead of the jobs bill.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess being a congressman is supposed to let you make
you special. Feisty, this one’s for you.
Judge scolds Walsh on child support suit
A Chicago judge is ordering Rep. Joe Walsh to explain why
it appears he's $100,000 behind in child support and also expressed annoyance
at the congressman's absence from the hearing.
Walsh’s new attorney,
Janet Boyle, asked Vega “for what purpose” he wanted the congressman in court.
Vega gave her a puzzled look.
To which Boyle responded: “Mr. Walsh is a U.S. congressman.”
“Well, he’s no different than anyone else,” the judge said.
Obama in 2012.
President Obama is using the wrong kind of cheese...
The rats preference is a finely aged 'protect the rich' at all costs vs. help the people who are hurting...
PS: Tom -- good to see we're on the same page! Joe is a reprehensible excuse of a father!
Obama at NC State pushing his latest Stimulus II "Jobs" scheme: ""Give me a win. Give me a break. If you love me, you got to help me pass this bill!".
Yeah, it's all about you Barry.
Guess he is a little like little Timmy who doesn't feel he has to pay his taxes!!!
*GASP*
When did doing what's RIGHT for America cease to exist?
The 14 million UNEMPLOYED say thank you!
120 billion to build Iraqi schools (after we spend billions to BLOW THEM UP = Good!
1 dollar for our infrastructure = Bad!
Maybe if Obama spent his time working with Congress and not spending his time campaigning and blaming Congress, something would get done. No doubt, Congress is a problem. But Obama pointing that fact out is just a political statement to score points. All the while he claims to have put the politics aside. Which his action show he has not done so. Again, a total lack of leadership by Obama. Obama's idea of getting something accomplished is to find someone or something to blame and then expect results. Obama continues to be the cheerleader for dividing this nation whether it be the Congress or the American people. Just listen to him when he speaks, he always targets a segment of Americans to attack. Again, Congress is a problem and an easy target. Obama's only reason to point that out over and over again is to score polotical points. All the while claiming to put politics aside. Not that difficult to see through this shame.
You sum it up nicely FR. For Obama it's all about the politics. Obama couldn't care less about whether his latest plan will work or not, it's clear it won't. It's all about him getting some kind of talking point so he can campaign. Obama will continue with his populist message, and the country will continue to fail economically. 1 in 6 in poverty. 1 in 7 on food stamps. 1% GDP growth. 9%+ unemployment. Those numbers won't change with or without Obama spending another half a trillion. For Obama, it's all about the talking points, he's good with those, but he's not good at leading a country because governing is hard work, at least it is for Barack.
I was reading a Hillaryous story in the WSJ yesterday. Seems a 58 year old woman who acted as Campaign Treasurer for "scores" of California Dem pols has been arrested for embezzeling "possibly millions" from their campaign accounts. One Dem Congresswoman announced the thefts to her supporters referring to her as the "Bernie Madoff of campaign treasurers". According to the federal criminal complaint "Ms. Durkee admitted she had been misappropriating... money for years". The best line was the last one where someone that knew her for years expressed dismay saying "She had a sense of being a good Democrat."
Today’s update says the Dem pols can’t even get access to the remaining funds or account statements because Ms. Durkee is the only one authorized to sign on the bank accounts.
You couldn't make this up if you tried!!!
LMAO!!!!
When will the Leftists LEARN that wealth redistribution does NOT create a single job because when the money runs out the jobs go away and Obama/Geithner/Bernanks just need to go BACK TO THE BANK OF CHINA for another $450 BILLION LOAN to flush down the drain trying to buy votes WELL IT WON'T WORK voters in NY caught on to the Leftist Lies comming out of the White House and voted for fiscal sanity
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Just because you balance your checkbook does not mean you are a terrorist contrary to MSM and White House LIES
Vote Tea Party Patriot 2012
Another re-run out of the idiot from Albany! lmao!
Ask Mr.Me First Bill if he'll share his broccoli with you - YOU'RE OUT OF GAS!
PS: And the large mouth a@@ is rambling in circles this morning!
It's a beautiful day to be a liberal!
Feisty-
Walsh is not a father, he's a failure as a human being.
Bla, bla, bla red wig......We will pass on the great dividers jobs bill.
Obama wants his bill passed? Let Harry do so without amendment in the Senate. Lets see those Democratic Senators up for re-election vote for this lastest failure of Obama's. Already many Democrats in both the House (like they matter) and the Senate are balking at Obama's latest spending spree. Didn't Obama just say that we need to reduce the deficit? Weeks later he comes out and wants to spend another half a trillion dollars, and of course "Its paid for", much later of course.Who takes this joker seriously anymore? Even his own party is tired of supporting all his failed programs. The voters are tired of Obama wasting their money, and the Democrats are starting to figure that fact out. Too bad it's a complete mystery to Obama.
Feisty, Joe Walsh sounds like a typical hypocrite Tea Bagger. Just another example to add to the pile:
Paul Ryan, the Rep who wants to trim America's security net, turns out to have used his father's Social Security death benefits to pay for college. WHo likes to graduate owing a mountain of student loans?
First term Teabaggers in the House, elected to cut spending, immediately sending millions of pork to their home districts.
Rick Perry, criticizing the President's stimulus spending, while using Texas's share to balance his budget.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121405602.html
these corporately back...career politicians of both party's suck...plain bob 2012...
Tony C:
Time for a civics lesson. The President proposes, Congress disposes. The President has made his proposal. Mr. Obama does not lead Congress. He is the Chief Executive Officer of the United States of America. John Boehner leads the House of Representatives, wherein ALL revenue bills must originate. The ball is in Mr. Boehner's courts. That's the way it works in our country. You can check the Constitution for confirmation on that. You guys are big on the Constitution, aren't you?
Wanna know what happens in the Senate when they try and vote on the bill?
Mitch McConnell: "Knock, Knock!"
Harry Reid: "Who's there?"
McConnell: "Fil!"
Reid: "Fil who?"
McConnell: "Filibuster!!!"
I just love it when Feisty can't refute a valid point and resorts to simple name calling!
HAHAHAHAHA!
And that's all Obama is ...... politics.
He puts up a job bill that even democrats characterize as "terrible," a job bill that is a time and time again proven failure, says this is not about politics or gamemanship and leaves DC immediately to engage in politics and gamemanship instead of actually trying to meet or work with Congress - he doesn't even try to work with dems in the Senate and Congress.
Obama says .... heads I win - tails you lose ..... and then goes on the road to blame Congress for not playing his insipid political game.
What a pathetic excuse for a president when so many are suffering.
A trap?
Yep, Obama has caught himself in the epic failure trap.
Maybe, just once, if all the complainers here were to help the country and our President by being less negative and more supportive, it would help move the process along.
All there seems to be are snarky posts and nasty one liners, that are rethreaded from someone else's talking points, most of them based on misinformation. No wonder we are laden down with mediocrity, it is so easy to sit on the sidelines and critize whether it makes sense or not.
All you're telling most fairminded people, is, you don't care if your country and many of its citizens are hurting, and that says a lot about you and your mindset.
He's also toast in 2012 Tom - he only won his seat by 296 votes.
His district has been re-figured and we have a strong Democratic contender!
PS: I'm disappointed the Judge didn't slap him with a bench warrant!
The President has to keep hammering the American Jobs Bill to get passed. He also has to keep hammering the U.S Congress as a do nothing Congress if they don't pass it. That goes for the Democrats and Republican-Tea Potty.
Remember 1948 and Harry Truman and the do nothing Congress.
Take the fight to street and educate the voters on the facts that the
The fact check shows that the first stimulus package did work and it created millions of jobs. Also, let's no forget the 17 Billion with a B that Texas got to balance their budget.
Facts are Facts.
feisty your red on top are you red in the middle?
No filibuster is necessary. Less than 40 Senators will vote for it.
I got a few good laughs from last night’s MSDNC Wiffleball Comedy Hour. Shemp Mathews had that mega-kook Bernie Sanders on to discuss jobs and they got into a nostalgic mood longing for the “good ole days”. They went on and on about things like how, in the good ole days, when you pulled into a gas station Goober Pyle came out and filled your tank, checked your tire pressure and oil level, and washed your windshield, and that those jobs are all gone now.
My thought was “just like 30 cents a gallon gas prices”. It really was pathetic. Following their logic, maybe the Dems should try to outlaw passenger-operated elevators so we could bring back all those elevator operator jobs. Or maybe the Dems could pass a law that 25% of cars produced be powered by teams of horses instead of internal combustion motors. That’s a two-fer: It creates blacksmith jobs and harness manufacturing jobs and street sweeper jobs to get rid of the horsesh!t, and it cuts down on petroleum based pollution.
Sounds like another fine Dem jobs plan to me.
SickOfTheBickering
I just love it when Feisty can't refute a valid point and resorts to simple name calling!
SickOfTheBickering
See the link from the Suntimes which Fiesty made available. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Cook County Circuit Judge Raul Vega expressed frustration when the Illinois Republican and Tea Party favorite did not appear in court along with his ex-wife, Laura Walsh.
And I love it when teabaggers can't read or spell.
Secondly, don't you think tea-pottys could try harder at spelling out their smears?
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Tea-Nutso Joe Walsh is an embarrassment to our city and state. I can't wait to say buh bye to that arrogant idiot.
Boehner to present how we're going shrink the economy, set the poor and middle class free from govt. strangulation while attaching the rich and corporations more to govt. for more tax welfare today.
Things to watch out for in his speech,
1 more tax cuts for the rich and corporations
2 make extinct, EPA
3 make extinct, Financial Regulations
4 Obamacare
5 cuts in safe nets programs for the middle class and the poor.
6 embellished reasons why govt. is bad for the poor and middle class but good for the rich and corporation who get away with tax welfare.
“PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL” “PASS THIS BILL”
Americans have been shouting for the House to focus on creating jobs since 2010, but the Tea Baggers haven't listened. That's why President Obama is making it simple enough for even the dumbest House Representative to understand. Pass This Bill!
There is a constant drone about ‘class-warfare’ being waged lately, and I have to admit- there is a lot of truth to that charge. It IS going on, and big-time.
What I still can’t understand, though, is why it is being waged on the common, hard-working middle and lower classes. Who can help me understand this? Try as I might, I can’t understand the desire to wipe out the class of folks that have made this country what it is today. Could it be, that with emerging markets overseas, Corporate America can afford to now toss those folks aside, while enjoying record profits in what is being described as an ‘Obama Recession’??
No Joe? Smiff? Albany Joe? Me First Fairfax? Anyone??
LMAO Joe in Albany!
I seen that too......Man, those two were pathetic.
But hey! Lean Forward!
Barack Obama is one of the luckiest politicians ever. He gets elected to state congress through political maneuvering and law suits. His opponent in the Senate race has divorce details leaked from a sealed settlement. He basically is left to run against a carpetbagger. For President he follows the possibly the worst president in living memory, who also drags down the nomination of his own party.
He's now presiding over the worst economy in living memory and his only solution is to try half of what he tried before. He basically has no foreign policy other than to react to events. In fact the only thing going for him is that he followed George W Bush as president. Just imagine if he had followed Bill Clinton?
It's alright Bev -- the old SOB is UNDER my spell - she can't get herself enough of me... ;o)
If there was a vote on Obama's job bill today it would FAIL. President Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are FAILURES.
Lean Forward libs, you're falling on your face.
The GOPTP proved how ignorant they can be with their own words--"if we vote for this plan, we will own the economy with the President". They already own half this economy by winning the House in 2010. Where are the jobs, Speaker Boehner; where are those jobs the GOPTP promised if voters just sent them to Congress in Nov 2010? The GOPTP has renamed post offices but not one single jobs plan. Today, Speaker Boehner will release his plan--where was it in Nov, Dec 2010 or Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug 2011?
TonyC,
I think you've got that backwards. How about if congress tried working with the President for a change instead of taking time off. Gee, that's a new concept isn't it?
I am seriously trying to remember the last time I didn't have a job I said to myself,
"Oh where is my ever-faithful government to give me a JOB"?
It's not like a govenment block of cheese or free Chicago housing liberals......you actually have to get off you freeloading a@@es to get one of these job thingies!
Is that what Lean Forward is all about???
FT Boehner unveils his own jobs plan at 12:30 pm
There is really no need to waste our time. Speaker Boehner is unfit to stand before a camera. He is a drunk, reckless, irresponsible and a coward.
Walsh is toast just like Obama. I will take that trade off. ha
Fine. Lets have the House vote on the bill without amendments. It will fail, and then Obama can quit campaigning, come back to Washington, and maybe try to get some real work done.
Jody, Iowa
I betcha, he's got no job plan. He's simply going to ask for more to go to the rich and corporations and less if nothing for middle class and the poor.
David Walker, don't twist and exaggerate what I said. Obama has not bothered to develop a working relationship with Republican members of Congress. Fact is, Obama didn't see the need. Rather short sighted. More can be accomplished by sitting down together and talking respectfully. Obama's prelude to any discussion is to first attack. It is about leadership and relationship building, not the constitution. I guess you thought when they played golf, it violated the constitution?
NWnative, it is within reason to expect the President to lead and set an example. Something Obama seems to have an issue with.
Better yet JoAnna, let's have a Senate vote on Obama's bill where Harry said he doesn't even know when or IF he'll put it on the calendar!
Obama's party is crumbling right out from under him.
Jody, the Tea bagger sock puppets and Boehner know where the jobs are since they sent them off shore just like they are trying to do in SC.
Bev Babe!....How da heck are ya doin?
BTW, you must mean like the "Stimulus $$" that got shipped over to Red China by Obama to make the wind turbine blades for all of those "Green Jobs"?.....No?
LOL....Lean Forward Baby!
Call the whole congress out.
PASS THIS BILL.
Night Hawk
Hey, Night Hawk, you're not supposed to release John Boeher's jobs plan before he does! He's the one who will explain to us how the Republicans will rape, screw, and shaft the public.
I would argue that Obama has not bothered to develop a working relationship Congress, never-mind the Republicans.
His own party is deserting him at the moment. You think the CBC or the CLC are happy with him?
He is actually dividing the Democrats into their constituent parts. The issue with modern day democrats is that there is no overall philosophy that binds the party together. It is a set of Balkanized constituencies that all require political favors in return for votes. Obama, the so-called great uniter, is actually driving these constituencies apart as they compete for a larger slice of a smaller federal pie.
Tom, Tamarac, FL
I guess being a congressman is supposed to let you make
you special. Feisty, this one’s for you.
Judge scolds Walsh on child support suit
To which Boyle responded: “Mr. Walsh is a U.S. congressman.”
“Well, he’s no different than anyone else,” the judge said.
That's exactly why his sorry a** should be in Jail with the rest of the Deadbeat Dads.
BTW: Why hasn't he been called on for an ethics investigation?
Nice bumper sticker Job1.
I'll give you a dollar if you can tell me what's IN the bill.....That's what I thought.
It's sad that the President should HAVE TO chant "PASS THIS BILL", especially with a Republican House that was elected chanting "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS." You'd think they'd be ANXIOUS to do something about the economy, instead most of their effort seems to be aimed at avoiding action or accountability.
That fact is, only the President has a plan to create demand in an economy where there is none. The only plan Republicans have is to destroy the middle class by driving down wages.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/economy/gop-prescription-spending-cuts-and-lower-wages-equal-more-jobs-20110325
Reading the thoughtful posts above, it is just amazing that with such intelligent and constructive exchanges that our elected representatives can't be more like the gentlefolks here...
You know, Feisty... I never really thought about it until now... but in a weird sort of way... I think you may be right!
You see... I can't get enough of you because you make me feel so good about myself!
LOL! It really boosts my self esteem to know that I am so much better than the nastiness you call 'feisty'!
Thanks GF!
(BTW... why you do you always use that big CLOWN NOSE on your smiley faces? LOL!)
Did Walsh write Obama's bill? Is that why the Dems won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Or just more deflection from his deluded sycophants because FR has a little truthful criticism of the Big O?
LMAO Sickofthebickering!
Good one!
Bev,
What has he done that is reckless, irresponsible and cowardly? When have you served your country?
Honey - you wouldn't recognize a soul if it smacked you in the face...
But, whatever you do - keep on trailing me will ya?
I'm flattered by your obsession...
mmnord1969
Bev Babe!....How da heck are ya doin?
BTW, you must mean like the "Stimulus $$" that got shipped over to Red China by Obama to make the wind turbine blades for all of those "Green Jobs"?.....No?
LOL....Lean Forward Baby!
I'm doing just fine walking into the future; Dolly
Certainly, you're not, if you think Green Energy is meant to allow China to eat our lunch. Or is that Solydrana thingy you're referencing? You know the witch hunt similar to the car thief and arsonist Darrell Issa.
While Solyndra is shutting its doors, companies like SunPower, First Solar, and Brightsource Energy, which also received loan guarantees and other support from the federal government, are industry leading success stories.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2011/09/02/solyndras-failure-is-no-reason-to-abandon-federal-energy-innovation-policy/
Don't forget you judge an industry by 1 failure
What you ought to look at is why the Echo Chamber is funneled by the fifthly Koch money?
Republicans live in the past literally.
Get over it and Lean forward; baby
It is always amusing the way the die hards, Feisty and Bev, always divert the topic to something totally off story when they have no good answers for the story at hand, oh yes, do not let me forget about throwing names and insults at anyone who does not share their ideas. Maybe they will relax for a bit though, today is the 15th, won't they get some free government cheese or something to tide them over until the government checks show up?
Americans have been shouting for the House to focus on creating jobs since 2010, but the Tea Baggers haven't listened. That's why President Obama is making it simple enough for even the dumbest House Representative to understand. Pass This Bill!
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Amy B: Apparently, Barry still hasn't made it simple enough for Harry Reid to understand.
LMAO!!!!
BTW, did you enjoy the Politico video??
@tiredofitall14
It's all they got! Pretty amusing isn't it? LOL!
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Funny! (and so typical!) NOW I AM SOULLESS!
BTW... Girlfriend... it's EASY to trail you... your stench is quite distinct! :-)
"South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint summed up the potential political peril for Republicans on President Obama’s jobs legislation. “If we vote for this plan, we’ll own the economy with the president..."
God forbid the Republicans step up to the plate for the sake of the American people and "own" their elected responsibility towards recovery for ALL American people!
My God, don't the republicans and TP on this site see something terribly wrong and hypocritical with this statement? They don't want to "own the economy with the president". They just want him to try to do this all on his own while they sit on their hands, obstruct and hope that it crashes and burns?? And this is NOT politics at its worst while Americans suffer? Republicans would rather have NOTHING, than to work through a plan proposed by a Democratic President?
The Party of "Christian morals and family values" obviously is NOT! They are lost in their own hateful, political hypocrisy (Modern Day Pharisees). WWJD? Certainly not this Mr. Demint....
Why hasn't Deadbeat Dad Joe Walshs' congressional salary been garnished, just like any other civil servants (or any worker)!
The courts don't even have to look for him......they know where he is!
Solyndrana is a witch hunt in the past?!?!?....LMAO....ohhh Bev Babe, you are in for a shocker.
It couldn't be more in the present and future than if it slapped you and Obama in the face........Crusty too...lol
P.S. - When you wanna have a conversation on wind energy FACTS, you just let me know. Hyperbole Free that is...lol
Could it be, that with emerging markets overseas, Corporate America can afford to now toss those folks aside, while enjoying record profits in what is being described as an ‘Obama Recession’??
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I believe what America is now beginning to experience is the same thing that has happened to other former great world powers like Spain, France, and England. And it's not caused just by the "evil corporations". Govt and peoples views about what they are entitled to also play a big part Each of those countries had their time when they were the dominant world power and as time progressed, they got rich, fat and happy and lost the edge that they had by being hungry for their own advancement through hard work and inventiveness. That's evidenced by the concept that a majority of American's now hold that any, and every, actual or percieved wrong or slight is deserving of a fix by the govt or a lawsuit. In America's best days getting knocked down would result in us getting right back up and working harder to achieve our objective. The days of John Kennedy's "Ask not what ...." and the challenge to go to the moon are long gone.
That edge from hunger for advancement now belongs to the newly emerging economies. And no amount of govt jobs programs or govt rules and regulations will change that fact. If it happened to Spain, France and England, what makes anyone think it won't happen to America (just like it's already happening)??
Smiffy,
I see you are going for valeDICtorian as a part time attendee at the No Jo School of Taking Things Out of Context,...
Whole quote:
"....Republicans don't want to pass this bill because they say it will Give Me a Win. Give me a win? Give me a BREAK! That’s exactly why folks are fed up with Washington. This isn’t about me. This isn’t about giving me a win. This isn’t about giving Democrats or Republicans a win. It’s not about positioning for the election. It’s about giving the American people a win."
full text here:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/sep/14/complete-text-president-obamas-speech-raleigh-ar-1391299/
So, yeah,...it's all about HIM! In Breitbart parsing of actual words to mean some OTHER words.
What a laugh! You are nothing if not completely predictable!
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives, who for the most part never saw a lobbyist or a campaign donation they didn't like, and don't want to bother with all those nasty government regulations, would take the position that a company was regulated TOO LITTLE ....
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/14/house.solyndra/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
So what will Republicans actually propose to do about it, do you think?
Hire Elizabeth Warren to oversee all future government loan guarantees to small businesses?
Or even get rid of federal loan guarantees for small businesses altogether?
And how EXACTLY do you see this fitting in with John Boehner's predicted message today that all we need to do for businesses to thrive is get government out of the way?
LoLoLoL
Jody, the Tea bagger sock puppets and Boehner know where the jobs are since they sent them off shore just like they are trying to do in SC.
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Bev: SC is off shore ?? Guess i'm gonna have to buy a new globe.
JoAnnaSmith1
Polls don't lie, as you do!!!!!
While that Bloomberg poll we cited yesterday found a majority (51%) doubting the jobs bill will create jobs, a new Gallup poll finds that 45% want their member of Congress to vote for the legislation and just 32% want their member to vote against it (23% didn’t know enough about it). And a recent CNN/Opinion Research poll shows a plurality liking the president’s jobs plan outline by a 43%-35% margin, but with 22% undecided. The frustrated public simply may want “something” over “nothing.”
so as i said early this week, the economy is going in the toilet behind a real big dump since the GOP took over congress!!!!!
lets call then the GOP do nothings guys. all they do is dump(sh*t) on americans, lie to americans and deprive people of the american dream that to work. but since they have jobs they really don't give a SH*T!!!!
How do you like that, Clara, the President was remarkably prescient, wasn't he? "If we vote for this plan, we'll own the economy with the President." Partisan politics is the ONLY reason Republicans won't PASS THIS BILL NOW.
Sure, Solyndrana is just a witch hunt ,mmnord. I realize that there's a waste of a half billion dollars involved, but we're dealing with libs here and they don't give a damn....after all it's somebody else's money going down the drain. And, if you keep reading the regular hacks on this site, they'll evenyually find a way to spin Solyndrana into yet another great Obama victory in his highly successful war against unemployment.
Or better yet... they will find a way to say it's W's fault!
Keep siting your polls Jeffy. What ever makes you feel better.
There was one poll of significance on Tuesday though Jeff. NY-9. Read up on it.
The spin has already started:
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives, who for the most part never saw a lobbyist or a campaign donation they didn't like, and don't want to bother with all those nasty government regulations, would take the position that a company was regulated TOO LITTLE ....
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AM: Counselor, you are off point. Solyndra was not the one in need of more "nasty government regulations". It was Barry's DOE and the political pressure from the White House on the loan guarantee approval process that were in need of more internal controls. From what little I've seen so far, the red flags were being identified and were bypassed in the rush for a political photo op for Biden and Barry. It was a failure by the Barry govt that's costing taxpayers half a billion.
BTW, by the time this thing is done, I'll bet we'll be seeing some level of scandal about Barry's campaign contributions bundler behind Solyndra.
Romney said regarding Cheney "That's the kind of person I'd like to have -- a person of wisdom and judgment."
I'm sure that Cheney was certainly wise, but some would question his judgment. Fortunately, he was only in an advisory role, and the President had to make the decision. By the way - since he only advised the President, what 'war crime' was he supposedly guilty of? It's not like he actually ordered anything. And even Bush had to get the approval of Congress to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, which was backed even by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.
A better question: When will the shrill right-wing figure out that supply-side, trickle-down economics doesn't create jobs either?
Hardly, your honor. You just don't like the point.
And I don't blame you.
A regulation failure is a regulation failure. I don't care whose administration it happens to be in.
And YOUR party is the party that wants fewer regulations.
Instead of trying to make this purely about President Obama -- a red herring if ever there was -- why don't you honestly respond to MY point, which is that if anything, Solyndra presents a predictable example of the consequences of less regulation?
This could also have happened in the Bush administration, the Clinton administration, and certainly the Reagan administration, as the S&L scandal illustrates.
If fact, if anything, Solyndra represents an example of CONSERVATIVE politics, rather than liberal politics.
As for bypassing red flags in the rush to get things done, we also have a lot of FDA-approved drugs that certainly qualify for that distinction, sometimes with fatal results. We have the war in Iraq, and we also have the BP Horizon well, if you read the official report that just came out.
And in my own state, we have Governor Walker, who was so anxious to get a photo op out of signing his draconian budget bill that he failed to notice that the "model" business that he selected for the signing ceremony actually belonged to a tax cheat, who happened to be one of his campaign contributors.
Conservatives making the case for more careful oversight of small business loans.
Checkmate.
As usual, AM misses the entire point. Obama feigns shock that lobbying goes on in Congress, but does the same for his big money donors, one George Kaiser, who also has a large stake in Solyndra. Mr. Kaiser's people managed to meet with the Obama administration 20 times prior to getting the $500 million from Obama. So Obama despises lobbying, except when he's being lobbied, and given campaign cash.
And anyone getting a $500 million dollar loan will get properly vetted AM, no matter what regulations are in place. In fact Obama's own regulators said Solyndra was on shaky ground with both their business plan and their finances. But Obama and Biden side-stepped those regulations, and did what they felt like.
$500 million - for a photo-op with Obama. But who cares, right? It's just the taxpayers that suffer.
AM - What a hoot! More spin from the Wisconsin socialist. Again AM, Obama's own administration said Solyndra was a bad investment, and Obama made the call to give them the money anyway. It's not about regulation AM, it's about corruption. No regualtion will work in a corrupt adminstation.
Solyndra = Obama's Mission Accomplished
Can't wait for the political ads of Obama's photo op at Solyndra with the tag line of "This is what happens when the Government tries to pick winners".
This article is true and from the looks of many of the individuals posting shows that the problem is not limited to the idiots in Washington. Per polls the majority of people in the US do not believe the president's jobs bill will create any significant number of jobs short or long term. As it is government money that will be used and gone it's a guarantee that any jobs created will not belong term jobs as they will be gone when the money is, but yet they what congress to vote for it. Hey if we don't care about just throwing money away and just running up the government debt so the credit rating goes down further please just let me know where I can pick up my billion dollar check and I won't care either. Since I doubt that I can get that worked out would the rest of you idiots please try using your brains for once and not just think we can spend our way to utopia. Why I have to pay taxes to support this crap and you morons is unbelievable.
PS: If you want to object to the above comments of indisputable truth and logic please remember you are conceding that you are a moron and have the common sense of a turnip.
@Cliff--Guess he is a little like little Timmy who doesn't feel he has to pay his taxes!!!
Cliff do you really not see the difference in not paying your taxes and not supporting your children. What a stupid statement
Realist-3668519,
What a d!ck. You have an opinion. Others have different opinions. Major economists have an opinion different from yours... but of course your long-standing experience in economics and your exhaustive studies in past recessions makes you the definer of "morons and turnips"... but that's about all. Just stick with your household 101 checkbook balancing tricks and you will survive.
You may be correct about the polls. With the lies, hate, and garbage coming from those trying to unseat Obama, I don't doubt the polls. That doesn't make them right, and, in fact, it means the pols should be highly suspect.
So we should... what... sit on our f$%^ing thumbs? Even temporary jobs helps to drive consumer confidence and demand... and THAT's the real goal. People need to layoff the pundit water and start educating themselves so the can tell truth from absolute fiction.
Checkmate.
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AM: Hardly. Sorry, but, the failure that's costing taxpayers half a billion is not the failure of govt to regulate Solyndra. It's the failure of Barry's political hacks to let the DOE staffers do their jobs because they wanted a political photo op.
Take a good hard look at the GOP's Job Creators Plan....This has been posted on the website for months.
The Jobs Program listed in your link does the following and I surmise
1. Reduce Corporate and individual taxes to 25% with the hope that it generates jobs in the country.
2. Opens trade agreements with Columbia. Panama and South Korea....Sounds more like an imbalanced trade agreement.
3. Streamlines the patent process...need to do that since they defunded it.
4. Opens up a VISA process for skilled workers from other countries to work...HMMM ....How in the hell does that help the American Worker?
5. Changes the FDA Approval process less regulations and increases user fee's ...Costs passed on to consumers. NICE
6. Rising Energy costs...Opens exploration on Government lands, basically the lands you and me own to Oil companies to make a profit.
7. The Deficit- Basically says they are going to work to pay down 6 trillion over the next 10 years.....How? Nothing is mentioned.
So there you have it.
Where please tell me in that list generates Jobs - except for Foreign workers?
all of a sudden Republicans care deeply about lost money (even though that money was spent in America on Americans). Let's revisit some of the money Republicans have lost, shall we:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
Oh, I know, I'm not supposed to look backward and remind them of their stewardship,...but seriously? me thinks the poutrage is a bit too contrived and well coordinated to ACTUALLY be real.
PS. That's 12 BILLION,...yes, you are reading that correctly, BILLION! From other readings only 6 Billion of that was Iraqi money,...(for those who will no doubt say it didn't matter because it wasn't ours,...PLENTY of it was ours!)
one more link:
http://www.infowars.com/bbc-uncovers-23-billion-lost-in-iraq/
we may never know how much,...and we damn sure will never know how much was American; but it's all good, baby, we'll pay ya' back!
How come republicans are OK with hiring tradesman to go to Iraq and be paid $150,000 thousand dollars tax free for one years work, but won't support a jobs bill here in the states, where all they would be only be paid the prevailing wage of the area they live in. Do you think the government can drop some bombs where I live, and then spend lots of money rebuilding and winning our hearts and minds. How come the only good paying construction jobs for Americans are in the country we have been at war with for ten years? Please drops some bombs on my town if that is what it takes to create some good construction jobs. Evidently tax cuts do not create good jobs, spending does not create good jobs, it is bombs being dropped on you that creates the good jobs.
So a couple observations on the bill:
Has anyone even introduced the bill in the House?? Even the Dems don't want to touch this thing!! Reid introduced it in the Senate- but there it sits on his desk with no motivation to do anything about it.
In Obama's latest
jobscampaign speech- he said there were 153 bridges that were on the verge of collapse- in dire need of repair- and if we don't "Pass this Bill!!!" the bridges will all fall down! uhmmm... what happened to the nearly $1 TRILLION in the FIRST stimulus that was supposed to fix the bridges???!!! guess they didn't have the right shovels to be ready for it...Even the Dems are saying to dissect this bill and just pass pieces of it. There is no way the bill goes through in it's entirety. And the Dems gave the Republicans the out from this evil little Obama trap! By saying it should be dismantled.
I'm not even sure the bill can get anywhere even if it's taken apart- there are NO Democrats that are up for re-election in '12 that want to touch this thing! It's like a plague to them- no way they come near it- hence my first point.
Ok....this shows how stupid the FR authors are. Serious Budget cuts???? They raised the deficit in August!! They are looking for $1.5 trillion over 10 years and those are NOT serious cuts.
I was dead set against this bill because it spends way too much money and does very little job creation.
But I'm so frusterated with the liberal agenda, I'm almost hoping they do pass it. Watch the epic failure and pin that right back on this moron in the White House.
ARRA- failure, TARP - failure, campaigning for democrats in 2010 - failure, stumping for the olympics in Chicago - failure, Obamacare - disasterous failure waiting to happen, economy - failure, unemployment - failure.
Obama may be the worst president and leader the United States has ever had....Bush set that bar high but Obama is soaring over it.
For all of those people who want to cry about the "Solyndra Scandal", read this before patting yourselves on the back:
http://act.alternet.org/go/11121?akid=7569.305691.ui3KMr&t=18
It should be quite an eye-opener.
Brent-3019177
Eye opener? I can't believe I read 6 pages of that BS. Consider the source Brent before citing some whacked out conspiracy theory progressive blog.
6 pages of "it's Bush's fault and Bush did it too" is a defense to Obama and Biden's gross mismanagement of taxpayer funds to forward their own campaign donors and agenda? You liberal progressives need to come up with something else.
LMAO.....nice try to deflect from Obama incompetence.......he will always have his base of Liberals from his home state........Collapsed!!!!!
You guys just can't handle facts.
Yesterday, Rick Perry, made the obligatory visit for all
serious conservatives, to that bastion of ultra right wing conservatism,
Liberty University. He didn’t waste any time getting their blessing. While there, he let it be known, how he had
had a religious conversion in his twenties that ‘saved’ his life, I guess that
revelation is supposed to make him more appealing to the dumbed down base. He encouraged the young students there, to make
their evangelical voices be heard in Washington as our nation could use a
resurgence of Christian values!
Wonder how that makes anyone who is not “Christian” or maybe
not Christian enough feel?
We have many citizens
who have a different concept of being Christian, many citizens who are of
varying different beliefs, and some who have no beliefs and it is all
good. At least for those who are more
tolerant and tend to mind their own business.
In 2000, when running for president, John McCain referred to
Liberty’s founder, Jerry Falwell along with Pat Robertson, as agents of
intolerance, being corrupting influences on politics and religion, He didn’t
get the nomination, George Bush did, who also spoke at another cradle of
religious ‘freedom’ Oral Roberts University, during the same time frame. In 2008, McCain publically apologized to
Jerry Falwell, so he could get his endorsement, he too spoke at Liberty
University and became the nominee. Seems
every serious candidate for the Republican nomination, must make a pilgrimage
to these rigid ultra right wing institutions, where the students are taught
everything through biblical interpretation and when they graduate according to
their beliefs, want to try and make the
rest of us live our lives according to their ‘doctrine’.
In these institutions, tolerance of anyone, who is deemed
different, be it religion, race, color or sexual orientation is frowned
upon. Association with those who are
again ‘different’ is not encouraged except where it is unavoidable……you might
catch something or worse even learn something.
They are hired by likeminded people, socialize with their likeminded
circle, constantly reinforcing the intolerance that has been bred into them
since day one.
Now I have to wonder, what will happen to Mitt Romney and
his desire for the nomination. These
bigots are not going to invite a Mormon, and I’m willing to bet, he won’t get
their blessing, so where does that leave him with his party? The party that is going farther right so fast
it will meet itself coming and going.
These so called debates, for the Republican party, have
audiences, who are hateful, applauding that there have been over 230 executions
in Texas since Rick Perry has been Governor and he wears that like a badge of
honor. Then you have Ron Paul, when
asked about a fellow who may have no insurance, and is seriously ill, audience members
were heard say, let him die, and Paul, a medical doctor, said our neighbors,
friends and churches would provide for the uninsured. Yet, his 2008 campaign manager, an associate
of his for 20 yrs died uninsured in June 2008, owing over $400,000 in medical
bills. No help or compassion there
either despite his assertion, neighbors, friends and churches should help. I’m
just glad I never had him as my doctor, not to mention as a friend.
Convenience is so essential to the religious right, when it
is convenient get saved, that is after you’ve led a life of debauchery and now
is inconvenient to your future. When it
is convenient, tell anyone who needs help at their lowest point, you’re on your
own, and now according to that paragon of religious virtue, Pat Robinson, it is
acceptable to divorce a spouse with Alzheimer’s. We can include, Newt in this list, announcing
to his then other wife, he was divorcing her as she battled breast cancer, and
let’s not forget John McCain who dumped his first wife for his present wife, as
she recovered from a bad car accident, the second one being younger and much
much richer. All shining examples of
hypocrisy to the denizens of Liberty U. and other ultra right breeding grounds.
Hypocrite thy name is Republican
Good Morning Gingerbread Mamma!
Speaking of Slick Rick -- I'm wondering who's going to take a whack at the 'Perry Pinata' today...
*shout out to Clara/KC*
GM---Excellent points. Can we have some Republican spin to these facts????
How about you guys swallow hard and admit your party has gone off the deep end.
Gingerbread Mamma--would that be the same Pat Robertson who says it is OK for someone whose spouse has Alzheimer's to divorce the spouse so they can date?
I don't know how many times I've asked this question, and have never received an answer. Rick Perry has found god. OK. All I want to know is how do you find someone who is invisible? That's all.
On that point however, it is good to know that Mr. Perry can get right down there with the worst of them. You will find a stunning rate of conversions in prisons across the nation.
Hypocrite thy name is Republican
I have come to the same conclusion, Gingerbread Mama!
Hi guys, yes SF, it would be the very same Pat Robertson, that's what happens when you write late at night, lol. Charming individual isn't he?
Sorry and thank you for understanding.
I hope everyone will have a good day
ineffective Senator, ineffective community organizer does not make for an effective President
The President will take the fight to the people.
Pass the American Jobs Act. It's not a win for the President, but a win for the American People.
Who every stands in your way, needs to be called out and it's time we take this country back from the people who are hell bent on stiffing the middle class.
You want to keep your mouth off religion, liberals- or the Rv. wright will get a lot more publicity than Obama wants. See, the anti-Semitism of that "Church" was not even touched upon four years ago.
Open that door, and watch what comes through.
On another note, First Read thinks this spending bill/honeypot of Obama's is some kind of trap for republicans. Way to spin, guys!
It's not going anywhere- and just reminds people of the last one- details of which are coming out day by day. Solyndra ring any bells? No? How about Evergreen? Tesla?
Obama is having problems even getting people to listen to his sales pitch- yesterday, he was at the RBC Center in North Carolina- a crowd of 9300 students were there to cheer him on- in a venue that holds 19,722. Isn't it odd that the numbers don't ever appear in the coverage? Do people think the information is not readily available? Cause, it is- on the Internet. What do you want to bet it would lead the story if this were a republican president?
In other numbers, Initial Claims for Unemployment were up to 428,000- since last week's numbers were adjusted up by another three thousand, we can pretty much surmise where these are going next week. I guess difficulty with arithmetic ia a hallmark of the Obama administration- BLS cannot add, Commerce cannot add, and Obama, himself, has trouble with second grade arithmetic- thinks that $200,000 equals millions or billions.
No wonder the economy is in such terrible shape.
Obama shelved in 2012.
My... my... nothing left except threats from the NJ nut job!
HAHAHAHA!
Why, I believe you can thank you own Senator Demented for that!
First Read had NOTHING to do with it OTHER then report what was said!
*grasp meet straw* lmao!
Terrific comment, Gingerbread Mamma.
It is disgusting and not representative of real faith to use Christianity for the purpose of getting votes; and it is equally disgusting that those Christians require elected officials to bow to them and their beliefs in order to receive their votes. There is nothing wrong with any candidate discussing their faith when asked a question, another to use their faith for the sole purpose of political gain.
no joe, no bo, nj
On another note, First Read thinks this spending bill/honeypot of Obama's is some kind of trap for republicans. Way to spin, guys!
Great point no joe
You can swath more files with honey than vinegar. We all know how bitter your right wing nuts tastes are. It's about time you got some change and a little taste of honey.
Perry's attempt to pray away the drought doesn't seem to have worked. Texas is still on fire. Perry's global warming denial doesn't seem to have made climate change go away. After a heat wave in Texas without historical precedent in August, we now have had the latest 102-degree day ever this month.
It was so hot in Texas today Rick Perry shot a coyote while swimming. -- Bill Maher
nojonob
Having reading comprehension probs, nojo? The FR article was quoting the Obama-hating teabagging Senator Jim DeMint about the alleged bind the jobs bill might put the Republlicans in. And of course, FR didn't mention how odd it was that DeMint didn't express any concern at all for people who are out of work because it isn't odd; everyone knows the Republicans don't give a damn about anyone but their corporate paymasters.
Criticism like that coming from you nojo? You who thinks its perfectly alright to steal writings of others from what was taken to be in private and publish them for anyone to read? Really, you would lecture about criticizing hypocrites on religion, ha, that's a good one. Morality is not your strong suit, now is it?
Gingerbread Mamma,
GREAT!
It was the MOST attention she got since a hog beat her in the Prom Queen contest... ;o)
A miracle that he could find that many people with operational gray matter in that bastion of right-wing morons. Not sure why he would waste his time in the home of the DeMinted but I guess they deserve their shot a hearing the facts too. Day 2k and we're still waiting for an idea from NbNj. Maybe today will be the day a clue happens or maybe not, just more snarkyness. Some of you right wingers on here need a life, a paycheck, and supervision. You're not going to get that if you keep sticking with your theory of corporate domination. For you we have a new checkbox on the tax form, "Contribute My Return To Koch Industries" Just check the box and save yourself from having to bend over.
Well, I guess you should alert Google to your hypothesis. I'm pretty sure they are under the misapprehension that stuff posted there is meant to be read.
It's not my fault some one in your group posted it there.
That is one lame argument.
Back to my point- you liberals inject religious intolerance into this campaign in a weak attempt to divert people from Obama's economic disasters, and it's going to backfire, big time. He got a pass last time- but not this time.
He raised his daughters in a hate filled church. The quotes from his pastor are easily accessed- they're on Google, too. Forewarned is fair warned.
Technically that shout out should go to Chuck Todd,...so I thank him for the laugh! I think when you Pop the Perry Pinata, corporate IOU's fall out!
Anyone else catch that Perry spoke at Liberty University yesterDAY,...and then went and partied all night with The Donald last night!
Those value voters are such SUCKERS! I wonder if he found the Lord in his porcelain tank this morning?
oops,...I've got the nj nutjob on ignore; but Imma guess that crack is gonna' sting her a bit. Oh well,...Feisty, if I want to know what she's blatherin' on about, I'll open her up,...you don't need to quote her (LOL).
@David Walker
Politicians should worry less about finding their God, and worry more about what happens if their God decides to find them. Why can't God create jobs? Why does God let 3 year olds die of cancer?, Why can't my God beat up your God? Religion and politics are two separate issue (at least they used to be), they should be kept separate, a politician should mention his religious affiliation if people want to know if he is Catholic or Hindu and leave it at that. I don't care about any politicians epiphany about God, I want to know if any of them have had an epiphany about creating some jobs for people losing everything. Why don't God make house payments for people? Why does God like China better than the US? Why does God like extremely wealthy people and corporations better than average citizens? If God can wipe away our sins, and our debt is sinful, then can he wipe away our debt?
nojonobo
Correction: President Obama's church did not raise his daughters. He and his wife raised them. I'd hate to think what messes YOUR children would be if you have any. They obviously would have been raised in a house filled with hate.
Clara
That was hilarious. I wonder did Perry and the Donald discuss the Tool Of The Right Wing, Failing Sarah Palin's latest transgressions?
The National Enquirer says she's a crack head
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/09/14/2011-09-14_sarah_palin_had_sex_with_basketball_player_snorted_cocaine_and_cheated_on_husban.html
Sarah Palin bedding basketball star Glen Rice, snorting cocaine and cheating on her husband?
Usually, the Enquirer will tell the truth the other media won't.
Now we know why she is so stupid. It's the crack.
It was so hot in Texas I saw a tree whistle for a dog.
Romney said regarding Cheney "That's the kind of person I'd like to have -- a person of wisdom and judgment."
I'm sure that Cheney was certainly wise, but some would question his judgment. Fortunately, he was only in an advisory role, and the President had to make the decision. By the way - since he only advised the President, what 'war crime' was he supposedly guilty of? It's not like he actually ordered anything. And even Bush had to get the approval of Congress to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, which was backed even by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.
Interesting side point - Obama campaigned on saving 10s of $Billions by ending the wars, but guess what - he has dramatically INCREASED defense spending. Defense spending in Bush's last year was $616 Billion, but Obama has increased defense spending to a budgeted $768 Billion for this year (2011) - that's an increase of $152 Billion (25%) per year above Bush's defense spending level.
Just more 'empty rhetoric' from our 'talker in chief'.
Why can't Jesus just kick Allah's ass, instead of making so many of us die trying to kick Allah's ass for him.
What did Ron Paul reallysay? "let take that money we spend in Afganstan and Iraq and spend it here at home"
If he really means that what his signing on for a spending a trillion dollars in america. That even more than Persident Obama's proposal.
That's consrevatism? Really?
Forrest Grump 2.0
It was so hot in Texas I saw a tree whistle for a dog
It must have Perry incognitio
http://helpmedrawbetter.com/comics/2009-09-14-tree-whistle.jpg
Or was it this one?
http://theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/fox_news__dog_whistle_politics.jpg?w=417&h=470
Bad, Bad, very bad.
It's sad that the far right movement gets crazier every day. They will say and do anything and their base just gets on board their crazy train.
It is a sad time in America.
Hi Bev, I hope you are feeling better
Job1
It's sad that the far left movement gets crazier every day. They will say and do anything and their base just gets on board their crazy train.
It is a sad time in America.
Roy, is today OPPOSITE day? WTH are you talking about? Have you been completely ignoring the Republican Debates (using the term 'debate' loosely, more like circle jerk)
whatever, buddy, whatever.
Obama's record;
Republicans win Weiner's seat, not held by a Republican since 1923 - check
Obama gives $535 million to a bankrupt solar panel plant that's now being investigated by the FBI - check
Obama's DOJ is involved with "Fast and Furious" - check
Majority of American's don't believe stimulus 2 will be effective - check
Highest poverty rate in 18 years - check
9% unemployment for 2 years – check
Millions of jobs lost – check.
0.8% GDP growth rate - check
15% of population on food stamps - check
$14.6 trillion in debt – check
Record Deficits of $1.3 Trillion per year - check
Loss of our credit rating - check
Oh, but Obama got Bin Laden !!
How many of the 14 million unemployed would rather have a job now, than know Bin Laden is dead?
If these aren't reasons enough for Republican's not to give Obama one more red cent, then I don't know what will.
Give him a watered down version of his 'jobs bill', if anything. Hope & Change is now Despair and Disgust.
Obama is the biggest joke ever played on America.
From King to Jester in less than 3 years !!
With thanks to Landoran
no jo, no bo, nj,
Since you brought it up, I’ll say make no excuses for Rev Wright's choice of words in his pulpit. I will state that Rev. Wright was from the civil rights era where Black preachers were challenged with instilling a sense of Jesus’ love, worth and hope in a people who were being emotionally and physically brutalized by hatred, bigotry and all forms of evil by white “Christians” in this country. The “white man” was INDEED the enemy and their actions to be “hated’ by the black community. Having said that, I don’t excuse the fact that Mr. Wright seemed to be stuck in that era and that message of black survival in those terms is not the same today. I know many born again, spirit filled Christians who attend that church, over the years know Mr. Wrights' history have a proper perspective and are not hateful, black racists. The same is true of Mr. Obama, his wife and innocent daughters. Furthermore, many were very glad when Mr. Wright finally retired and handed the leadership to a younger pastor more in touch with today’s needs and culture.
I don’t expect you to understand the black church and the role it has played in Black America as we have moved through the various stages of freedom and civil rights. But I have tried to sincerely share a different perspective that you may not hear from Rush, Glen, etc. or your youtube soundbites.
Independent of all of that, there is NO excuse for the Party (GOP/TP) which runs on, espouses and Christian values and judges others Christian values, (which Jesus Christ taught by life example are rooted in none other than LOVE), to show and demonstrate so much hate toward this president and anyone who does not fall in line with their "politics". It really is not representative of the teachings of Christ. Christ did not put politics first, quite the contray, He often harshly reprimanded the "religious politicans" of His day. The resemblance is obvious.
As a Christian who has voted both ways, I am sorry to say this, GOP/TP does not represent me or what Christian values are supposed to reflect for All people. You may not agree, and I respect that.
Why does Jesus hate liberals and love conservatives, when liberals try do lot of his good deeds for him.
There is so much I don't know where to start. Here's one:
Houston!
nojonobo
Notice that in response to nojonobo who said " he raised his daughters in a hate filled church" that Houston twisted it to mean "by a church".
I really like this one:
Forrest Grump 2.0
If Forrest was as clever as he seems to think he is he would know that regardless of what they call God, the Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham and Issac. But then again maybe he is like the character he named himself after - Forrest Gump whose mother had to diddle the principal to get him into school because he had an IQ of 83.
I like this one too:
Beverly in Chicago
Now we know why she is so stupid. It's the crack.
Come on Beverly - the National Enquirer. The publication with "My husband is an alien" articles?
And then there is Feisty Redhead whose posts consist of highly intelligent well thought out posts like:
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Seventy -Five percent of the US considers themselves to be Christian yet you dolts criticize politcians for addressing their base. If you wake up long enough to notice there near the start of the constitution it reads "All men are created equal. Creation is a religious concept. I have looked and looked and I still can't find where to donate to the Atheists Children's fund. Those atheists that claim to be so concerned for all.
Grump,
Yes it has been hot and dry in Texas, the other day made it over 71 days of over 100 degrees broke the record of 69 which stood since 1980. Today a cold front moved in. This morning I looked in awe at this wet stuff on the ground a - good day!
Paris a very good rebuttal to No Jo. Thanks for your input.
Houston - Aren't you getting a bit personal with No Jo and accuse her on how she raised her children?
republicans have become such clowns in exaggerating their fake faith. they have totally redefined christianity in their own evil world. their christianity has no place for Jesus Christ at all. I have no doubt that they have secretly made satan into their own savior.
what kind of christian roars with applaud on the notion that they should let people without health insurance to die quickly? which part of the bible tells us to be so evil to wish the unfortunate to die and not give a helping hand? one of the most famous stories from from the Bible is the story of the samaritan. In all gospels, Jesus Christ preaches love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, etc., etc., etc. not a single right extremist republican has shown any such trait in the past 10 years. everything they have done and are doing is condemnation of people who are not as crazy as they are. not only are they trying to distort and to rewrite the american history, they have totally rewritten the Holy Bible into the bible of their satan for their own evil purposes.
Rick&#'s says
If Forrest was as clever as he seems to think he is he would know that regardless of what they call God, the Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham and Issac. But then again maybe he is like the character he named himself after - Forrest Gump whose mother had to diddle the principal to get him into school because he had an IQ of 83.
So Rick are you saying that Christians, Jews, and Muslims are all the same, all worship the same God. That is a pretty liberal view of religion, I kind of like that, so what the hell is all the fighting about, I think you should be the middle east envoy you might be able to solve a lot of problems over there once you explain this to Israel, Palestine, and Jerusalem. While your at it you might explain to some republicans that a Muslim church in their town is really a very good thing because after all they all worship the same God. A stupid man like me could never make them understand that, it will take a man of your IQ to get that point across to them.
So the politics appear to be on the White House’s side. But are Democrats going to self-destruct? Just check out these quotes on the jobs bill from Dem members, per the New York Times. “I think the American people are very skeptical of big pieces of legislation,” said Sen. Bob Casey. “For that reason alone I think we should break it up.” Here’s Sen. Mary Landrieu: “I have said for months that I am not supporting a repeal of tax cuts for the oil industry.” Rep. Peter DeFazio: “I have been very unequivocal: No more tax cuts.” Sen. Joe Manchin: “I have serious questions about the level of spending that President Obama proposed.” And Rep. Heath Shuler: “The most important thing is to get our fiscal house in order. Then we can talk about other aspects of job creation.” (Um, didn’t Congress just pass some serious budget cuts back in August?) The Democratic griping is well under way, and it undercuts the White House’s message --
Job 1 President Obama can start with these folks who if he is serious about calling out folks against his jobs plan and they are just some of the dems against it. Sad when his own party is against his plan and his budget.
Yellowdog I hope you guys get the rain you so desperately need, and I hope the state of Texas can do something like build more reservoirs, or something that may help ranchers who if I understand correctly are having to buy and haul water because their ponds are dry. Good luck and enjoy that cool front.
This really cracked me up. President Obama conceded to Teapublicans to extend Bush's tax cuts. In fact, President Obama has added even more tax cuts to the Bush tax cuts. The Dems have agreed to tort reform, and the president has initiated the phasing out of Fannie and Freddie, and has even placed a hold on regulations such as EPA standards and allowed the sand oil pipeline. And most of all, the president has continued the wars. So I guess the president owns the failed Bush era economy with the Republicans.
Perry says it's time for change. YES, it's time for change from the failed "trickle-down" voodoo economics of the Bush era. What a sad joke it all is. The Dems need to get out the vote and give the president a Democrat house. It's time for Democrat ideas, it's time for a real change.
Obama/Biden - 2012!
Beverly in Chicago -- I thought the same thing when watching Perry with his sermon and how Republicans always use that old dog whistle. God Bless America--now everyone is using it, so Perry is blowing a louder whistle.
Preserve Separation of Church and State. Vote for Democrats.
Rick-312779
That's what nojonbo meant, idiot. She's accusing Obama of letting the Rev. Wright indoctrinate his daughters. Why else would she bring it up? Obama's daughters were raised by the Obamas in their home. And if nojonobo has any children, then they were raised in a house full of her hate. I pity them.
Independent- you clearly have decided to interpret the scriptures as you would have them, haven't you?
A Few questions: What is defined as "fake faith"? How does one know what that is? And how does one know that Satan has been written in to take the place of Jesus in the hearts of a Christian? What qualifies YOU to make that call? People practice their religion in different ways- to say yours is right and they are wrong- is in itself wrong. Christianity by definition is a faith in Christ, so the idea that Satan would take the place of Christ is ridiculous! And why would you, following Christ, call them clowns?
Jesus did indeed preach love and tolerance- but he also taught to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's- which is to mean only give to the government what is owed. The rest- take care of the poor & the needy. In the most recent studies on this very area- Republicans are the bigger givers of charitable donations and offerings- by quite a large margin (about 30% higher donation totals than Liberals). I think Liberals would just like Caesar to forcefully do it for them.
As far as the comment on letting people die- I assume you are referring to the Debate- that was an ugly moment. Of course the young man in the example will get treated and released- the question I think was more aimed at what next? Do we go after him? The answer is YES! We go after him and bankruptcy is not an option. He chose the path of no insurance and he must pay for that choice.
I hope you rethink your position on this matter- it is this very thing that divides the nation. The left is trying to make a mockery of religion- though over 75% of Americans profess to believe in God of some form or another. This is not just Christianity- but Judaism, Islam, Muslim, Hindu, etc... all combined. It is a force and the right candidate will tap into that and win with it. It is not a smart move to ridicule the majority base in this country!
Amen Houston!
She's currently working on the second generation...
geekfish
Here's a sample of fake faith:
"Dear G-d, if you just let me survive this hangover,...I will NEVER drink again...."
Hope that clears it up for you,...I have many more pearls of wisdom, seek and ye shall find. Thus my porcelain reference for Perry this morning.
Here is another example Clara, see how many christian men would blow themselves up for the promised reward of 72 virgins, then see how many would do it if promised 72 of the naughtiest, naked, coeds gone wild! Most christian men would at the least need 71 virgins and one good slut to sign up for that suicide mission. HA
geekfish,
That was an interesting twist you have on that "render unto cesar" scripture. Here is the proper context on how the Religious politicians tried to trap Jesus:
The Bible states that hostile questioners tried to trap Jesus into taking an explicit and dangerous stand on whether Jews should or should not pay taxes to the Roman occupation. They anticipated that Jesus would oppose the tax, for Luke's Gospel explains their purpose was “to hand him over to the power and authority of the governor.” The governor was Pilate, and he was the man responsible for the collecting of Rome's taxes in Judea. At first the questioners flattered Jesus by praising his integrity, impartiality, and devotion to truth. Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews to pay the taxes demanded by Caesar. In the Gospel of Mark, the additional, truly provocative question is asked, "Should we pay or shouldn't we?" Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it. They answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.” His interrogators were flummoxed by this authoritative (though ambiguous) answer and left disappointed.
Again, religious politicians....So you see, Jesus, was not saying try to get out of paying your taxes through every loophole possible. The context is whatever "caesar" has determined to be the tax in you rland, PAY it and don't argue about it or make it some "religious" issue. Furthermore, see Rom.13:
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Sad to say the GOP/TP are not abiding by these in word and deed.
Mr. Grump,
You just CRACKED me up! thanks,
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I'll bet Thanksgiving is loads of fun when her klan gathers together at her house for a nice group hate session.
Forrest Grump 2.0
Forrest - that is the post to which I responded which you seem to ignore completely. That is typical of the lotus eating liberals. I know you were trying to be cute but it was still a dumb post.
In regards to your response, a Jewish friend of mine says that the fact that all three groups worship the same God is probably the root of the problem. And as far as me questioning your intelligence all I was doing was pointing out that Winston Groom gave Forrest an IQ of 83. You are the one who chose the handle. As far as religion being the cause of everything bad that happens in the world. If you liberals would open up your eyes long enough to see the truth you would see that every atrocity that is done in the name of God is actually because of the desire for money, power and love (actually sex). That is why holy men like Jesus Christ, Buddha and a few others suggested we should put those vices behind us. I don't see any of you turning your backs on any of those three.
YDMark:
Here's a question for you: Why do you think it's OK for nojonobo to attack Obama's family, but it's not OK to respond to her hatefulness? Just curious.
GingerbreadMamma,
Response from your post #2, where you state " for those that are at least tolerant and tend to mind their own business". You must be referring to the Far Left atheists that want christmas tree lights banned from public places, because they're called "christ"mas tree lights? Or, Crosses out of military cemetery's because they could be a reference to Jesus? I could go on and on. ....and I don't get your comment "mind their own business". How can you possibly say that, when Democrat's stick their big noses up everyone else's business as far as they can? I may have missed something, but I know this, you're a hypocrit.
Houston - I have called out No Jo before, I don't believe what she said was correct. In fact I applauded a level headed respondent that replied to her.
For the rest see #3.23.
Its always a pleasure talking.
She was not attacking Obama's family. She was attacking Obama. Please answer this question for me. Why in the hell would a parent take his child to a church if he did not want his child indoctrinated in the philosophy of that church or any church or organization for that matter?
That is why I like coming to this blog. I never cease to be amazed at the idiocy spouted by certain posters here.
Dave D-1046643 -- Good old "Bill O'Really" and the Christmas nontroversy. Where's the proof for any of this. The only thing I've seen arecards sent out by corporations that say "Happy Holidays" and they do so because some of their customers are Jewish or some other faith, or not at all. So WTF, who cares? This is a prime example of right-wing silliness.
Yellowdog-Mark D
If you say so.
See 3.24
Rick312779
Rick the point of everyone of my posts regarding religion is that politics and religion should be two separate issues, they go together like nitrogen and glycerin. I do wish to insults anybodies personal religious beliefs, but when you mix religion in with politics it will happen, and religion does not offer any solutions the nations problems. I guess in a nutshell, I don't want to hear preaching from a politician and I don't want politics from a preacher, those founding fathers had it exactly right when they said the two should always be separated. Religion may solve the problems of the spirit, but it does not solve the problems of the flesh.
I hope you don't think that I am against your or any body else's religious beliefs, freedom of religion is one of our greatest freedoms, and no religion should gain control of our political system and hence our laws, not even it is the most popular in this country. I personally think we are going down the wrong path when we use religion as a way of selecting political candidates and when they talk too much about their faith I will not vote for them even if they have the same faith as me. I don't want faith I want action.
I meant to say I do not wish to insult.......
As I re read some of my posts I have a lot of little spelling, grammer, and word omissions, I'm sorry folks, but somebody's God has smitten me with a toothache and the pain is making it hard for me to stay focused.
Paris- you basically said the same thing I did- only with more detail & context- thank you.
What I believe we have a problem with is the idea that government wants to do all these programsas a nanny state- with idea that they will just raise taxes. More and more people are pushing back on this idea- they don't want a nanny state- they simply want to be free to succeed or fail on their own accord, but the government keeps getting in the way.
As it has been stated before- there is not an income problem (there are more tax revenues now than ever before) but a spending problem. It simply has to stop on the increase then cut back on the established. If the Administration & Congress really wanted to solve this- they would be laser focused on JOBS- more people on payrolls and not on Government rolls will create a bigger tax base- solving most if not all of the problems without raising taxes!
There are plenty of things they could do TODAY that would solve about 50% of the issues- but they won't- they are deaf to the majority of people that just want to go to work, to start a business, to try and succeed- but we have a giant problem standing in the way- and they demand we pay more for their errors.
don't think this will fly...
Clara- that was funny!!! true- but funny!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I'll bet Thanksgiving is loads of fun when her klan gathers together at her house for a nice group hate session
Feisty, I had to do a double take on klan. I thought you left 2 "K"s out. Admittedly, I will acknowledge my double take was a mistake nevertheless, she is still a fake.
BILL MOYERS: Let's start with first things. When did you hear the call to ministry? How did it come?
REVEREND WRIGHT: I was a teenager when I heard the call to ministry. I grew up in a parsonage. I grew up a son of and grandson of a minister, which also gave me the advantage of knowing that there were more things to ministry than pastoring. I had no idea that I'd be preaching or pastoring a church at that teenage year. As a matter of fact I left Philadelphia going to Virginia Union University. And unfortunately, I was starting during the civil rights movement. And the civil rights movement showed me a side of Christianity that I had not seen in Philadelphia. I had not seen Christians who, as I saw in Richmond, Virginia, who loved the lord, who professed faith in Jesus Christ and who believed in segregation, saw nothing wrong with lynching, saw nothing wrong with Negroes staying in their places. I knew about hatred. I knew about prejudice. But I didn't know Christians participated in that, in that kind of thinking.
BILL MOYERS: One of the most controversial sermons that you preach is the sermon you preach that ended up being that sound bite about Goddamn America.
REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT (SERMON TAPE): Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change. And I'm through now. But let me leave you with one more thing. Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontius Pilate - the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from East to West. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html
Anyhow, this is the full version of Pastor Wright's sermon that was distorted by FOX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqPUXjFYh38&feature=BFa&list=FL4j2bWO16ktc8ztmrIqYhcA&lf=mh_lolz
Fox lies
In all these comments from mostly left wing nutsackers, I see the obedience to James Carville's command to "panic". Truly, it is time for the far-left self love society to panic for their leader is practicing the art of self destruction better than any politician I have ever seen. All these left wing morons on this site are basically whistling through the graveyard, following the random path to their total political destruction. Just like the poor, the far left will always be with us. But they will be disorganized and discombobulated forever, because they simply cannot get their act together in a way that makes sense to any rational person. To paraphrase Maxine Waters, "Go to Hell, you left-wing nutsackers".
Job politics very tricky for political hacks like Obama who want to FURTHER wreck the economy by borrowing ANOTHER $450 billion ON TOP OF $787 billion for his reelection fund AFTER blowing through the entire $787 billion and not creating a SINGLE sustainable job WHEN THE TAX MONEY RUNS OUT THE JOBS GO AWAY just look at the Solar Cell Company in CA Obama pushed for his democrat bundler friend 1/2 BILLION down the drain CRIMINALS in the White House use these funds as payola slush funds plain and simple this INSANITY must stop
Vote tea party patriot 2012
Still waiting for that GOP alternative.
wow, stalin and communist in the same sentence; why don't you just through in anti-christ as well. ok, madisonfromny, we get it, you and your ilk hate this guy; so why not just be honest about it. he's a democrat? he's a black man? he's coming to take your stuff? it means the end of white guys?
yes sirree, he's all of the above - he wants the private sector to create jobs to put money into the economy, he wants more teachers for our kids, he wants more first responders, he wants us all to have health insurance, he wants to help homeowners increase not lose equity, he wants good roads and safe bridges - who does he think he is! thank goodness you're on the beat to protect us americans!
Da Noid, as much as you want to deny it. The fact is Harry Reid will not put House sponsered proposals to a vote in the senate. The President wouldn't sign it anyway. It doesn't take a law to spur job creation. But, it does require an administration that believes in providing a positive environment for free enterprise. As long as this administration continues to put out thousands of pages of new regulations, give anti-business speeches and push for government solutions to revive an economy, the economy will not recover.
Madison From NY,
I know fact check are hard for you guys.The fact check shows that the first stimulus package did work and it created millions of jobs. Also, let's not forget the 17 Billion with a B that Texas got to balance their budget.
Facts are Facts.
Looks like there are more than a few Democrats who see this spending bill as a trap
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44528419/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/
Do the First Read writers even read the other stuff on this site?
The article touches on the "tacit agreement" between Reid and Obama that Obama gets time to "sell" the spending bill before it's brought up for a vote.
Going to be a little hard when only 9300 people show up to hear the sales pitch in a venue that holds 19,722.
Maybe he should offer a money back guarantee, if we're not completely satisfied.
Madison, if the stimulus didn't create jobs, please explain the GOP governors and legislators standing with big giant checks declaring how many jobs that evil stimulus money would create jobs in their states? Go ahead, explain it.
Conservatives continue to ignore the fact that the President's plan is 60% tax cuts, the ONLY economic stimulus of which the GOPTP approves. Hypocrisy, they name is Conservative. When the Right proposes tax cuts they're "letting people keep more of their own money." When President Obama proposes tax cuts they're "spending".
Secondly, much of this consists simply of redirecting tax breaks from the very wealthy, people who really don't need the help, down to average Americans and small business where the stimulative effect of lower taxes will be much more intense. Hypocrisy, they name is Conservative. Their focus isn't lower taxes to stimulate the economy. Their focus is lower taxes to redistribute wealth to the top.
Finally, they lie about the fact that even the remaining spending is to be recouped through means that the President has laid out in his plan. http://www.americanjobsact.com/
That's what you get from the Conservative radicals who inhabit the Republican Party...liars and hypocrites.
SBV-41,
YOUR racism is showing. The only people that care about President Obama being bi-racial is closet racist liberal hypocrites like you. Have you even read the "summery" of Mr. Obama's "Jobs bill"?? It doesn't sound like it, but you have read the DNC, MoveOn.org, MSNBC, Huffington Post, etc. liberal propaganda machine's talking points. This "jobs bill" is nothing but a pay off to every Democratic voting block, except for Homosexuals. The money you claim is for teachers and first responders is really money to State and Local Democratically controlled governments to keep or call back furloughed UNION GOVERNMENT employees. I.E. Democratic Voters!!
Obama only wants you to have Health Insurance so he can claim to have cut government cost of health-care. He doesn't care what it cost YOU to meet that Mandate, just that it puts more money into his donors pockets, i.e. the Insurance Companies. If everyone is REQUIRED to buy health insurance or be fined or jailed, the insurance companies have a hostage consumer base don't they. They can charge whatever they want and YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY IT, because you are required by government to purchase it. GET IT NOW???
So you claim he want to help homeowners, but only those that "lost equity" by making the poor financial decision of buying over-priced property in an artificially inflated market and over extended their financial means. If you were responsible, you get nothing except higher taxes to pay for the "help" to people that weren't. LIKE YOU, SBV.
Roads and Bridges?? Yeah, those were supposed to be fixed with the first stimulus bill, Remember. But less that 3% of that $750 Billion actually went to "Infrastructure Projects". In new bill, over 90% of infrastructure projects are for "school construction" in key districts Obama will need to be win re-election in 2012. Humm. The federal government has NEVER been in "School Construction" before. EVER. That has always been a State or Local governments. Do we really want/need the Federal Government expanding into another area?
The only "Jobs" Obama's jobs bill is to save is his own. It contains yet another extension of Federal Unemployment benefits. So people that are out of work will be encouraged to not work even longer. In places like New York, California, Washington, etc. a person can get up to $60,000 in "Unemployment Benefits". Why would they look for a "JOB"??
There was NOTHING new in it. It was just more of the same FAILED programs and policies we have seen for last 2 years. It raises taxes on ALL working people making more than $125,000 a year. Lets see, during his campaign you were "Rich" if you made more than $250,000/year, then it was $200,000/year, now it's $125,000/year to be "The Evil Rich".
You liberals claim to hate "Big Oil Companies", but this "jobs bill" does more to help them put "the little guy" out of business and give them even more of a monopoly. Humm. Orwell stricks again. What is that famous liberal/Democratic saying?? "If you repeat a LIE long enough and loud enough, it will become the truth."
Jody, Iowa
Madison, if the stimulus didn't create jobs, please explain the GOP governors and legislators standing with big giant checks declaring how many jobs that evil stimulus money would create jobs in their states? Go ahead, explain it.
Jody,
Do these people intentionally lie or just can't comprehend facts?
Perry said "the first round of stimulus ... created zero jobs." We say Pants on Fire.
Separately, the council's report cited four independent analyses by the Congressional Budget Office and three private economic analysis companies. Here's what the groups found:
• CBO: Between 1.3 million and 3.6 million jobs saved or created.
• IHS/Global Insight: 2.45 million jobs saved or created.
• Macroeconomic Advisers: 2.3 million jobs saved or created.
• Moody's Economy.com: 2.5 million jobs saved or created.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/12/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-2009-stimulus-created-zero-jobs/
Some Democrats Are Balking at Obama’s Jobs Bill
WASHINGTON — President Obama anticipated Republican resistance to his jobs program, but he is now meeting increasing pushback from his own party. Many Congressional Democrats, smarting from the fallout over the 2009 stimulus bill, say there is little chance they will be able to support the bill as a single entity, citing an array of elements they cannot abide.
SNIP
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, has said he will put the bill on the legislative calendar but has declined to say when. He almost certainly will push the bill — which Mr. Obama urged Congress to pass “right now!” — until after his chamber’s recess at the end of the month;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
Oh, it's intentional Bev. The low information voters and talk show addicts can be excused for not having all their facts straight. Conservative leaders, on the other hand, are too close to the issues, tell contradictory narratives too smoothly, deflect criticism and direct confrontation with their hypocrisy and lying too adroitly to be other than fully aware of what they're doing. To steal an old movie line;
Is it because they're lying, hypocritical, sexist, egotistical bigots?
Bingo!
I went to the store to buy some things and I forgot my wallet, I told the store owner I don't have any money in my pocket but I have a positive attitude toward business and I am against lots of regulations. He said do you have the money or not, I said no sir I have no money in my pocket, he said get out of here and come back when when you got money to spend.
John B,
I'm sure your aware that your supposed "Unbiased" website with "facts??" about Obama's jobs bill is put out by the Democratic National Committee. It is nothing but a propaganda page and you know it. The first thing to give it away was the .COM, all government websites are .GOV.
So if you want to talk about LIARS and HYPOCRITES, go take a look in the mirror buddy. I noticed it didn't actually have the text of the bill available, just DNC spin telling me what is says or what's in it. Pardon me if I don't believe them. I also notice how they brake it down by what each Democratic "Voting Block" will GET Paid by this bill. Can't believe you would actually hold that up as an example, when it clearly shows how corrupt and underhanded your national "leaders" are.
htdjpf:
What a bunch of hose hockey!!!!
Madison From NY
Job politics very tricky for political hacks like Obama who want to FURTHER wreck the economy by borrowing ANOTHER $450 billion ON TOP OF $787 billion for his reelection fund AFTER blowing through the entire $787 billion and not creating a SINGLE sustainable job WHEN THE TAX MONEY RUNS OUT THE JOBS GO AWAY just look at the Solar Cell Company in CA Obama pushed for his democrat bundler friend 1/2 BILLION down the drain CRIMINALS in the White House use these funds as payola slush funds plain and simple this INSANITY must stop
Oh Lawd, you done went and done it.
Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Issa Enterprises cuts off nose to spite ethics charges
Darrell Issa was targeted this morning with an official ethics complaint, submitted by American Family Voices to the Office of Congressional Ethics. The complaint zeroes in on the laundry list of concerns that have been raised over Issa's personal benefit from his political actions. The letter specifically focuses on four incidences where Issa's personal investments comingled with his work as a legislator:
http://issawatch.couragecampaign.org/index.php/page/253
Vote tea party patriot 2012
This is for you, the ultimate tea -bagger; Madison...
http://theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/stampouttheteaparty.jpg?w=300&h=250
Did I miss it, or has FR done a post yet about Obama's current campaign to brown nose Jews? I wish it would be a bigger story because it would be a great lesson in how the Democrat Party works (or doesn't). Obama has to be real careful in sucking up to Jews because of the past three decades of anti-Semitism in the Black community stirred up by people like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright. Jews and Blacks used to get along great in the "Civil Rights Years" but in the years since, Blacks have turned on Jews like rabid dogs in their constant search for scapegoats for the ills facing the Black community.
If Obama sucks up to Jews too much, he loses the respect and support of some, not all Blacks. This is a great example of the Dem's strategy of dividing everyone up into aggrieved groups, coming back to bite them in the azz.
How come republicans are OK with hiring tradesman to go to Iraq and be paid $150,000 thousand dollars tax free for one years work, but won't support a jobs bill here in the states, where all they would be only be paid the prevailing wage of the area they live in. Do you think the government can drop some bombs where I live, and then spend lots of money rebuilding and winning our hearts and minds. How come the only good paying construction jobs for Americans are in the country we have been at war with for ten years? Please drops some bombs on my town if that is what it takes to create some good construction jobs. Evidently tax cuts do not create good jobs, spending does not create good jobs, it is bombs being dropped on you that creates the good jobs.
It all depends on how you define success. I personally don't consider $312,000 per job created a success. Then you have to factor in that the stimulus should probably be repeated every two years or so.
Yellowdog-Moint out ark D
She was getting personal with how Obama raises his daughters, so it's only fair to suggest her own hatred must poison her home environment. Of course, you seem to be an Obama hater yourself, so you wouldn't notice.
Speaking of deranged Obama haters, Greg Sargent reported today that some of them are asserting that Michelle Obama said "all this for a flag?" at a 9/11 commemoration ceremony. There was now auddio, so do do they know what she said? Why they used lip-reading! They get crazier and crazier. Just when you think they can't sink any lower into their own slime, they do.
As FR authors have stated, politics is a contact sport - if you can dish it out, be prepared to take it,...
YDMark isn't an Obama hater. I think he's trying for levity. Mark, I think nj is out of bounds constantly, we often get tired of it. I put her on Ignore last June and it was the best decision ever.
Clara KCMO
No, he's just someone who thinks it's OK for Obama haters to attack Obama's children but not OK to respond to their hate in the manner they deserve.
Houston - And if left leaning poster has any children, then they were raised in a house full of her hate. I pity them. (bold emphasize mine)
How would you feel if a post was added like this Houston? Ok by you, it would float your boat? In the spirit of that turning the other cheek ideal - Thanks for clarifying how you feel about me again Sir.
Hi, Clara - thanks for the clarification. Reminds me that if she goes overboard and we all go overboard then who is going to float the boat.
Yellowdog-Mark D
If someone attacked G. W. Bush for how he raised HIS daughters, then they would deserve it. Unlike you, I don't have a double standard.
Thia politcal agenda is the problem. All this talk about republican and democrats. I think Demint is missing the point. ITS ABOUT AMERICANS @!$%# NOT A STING OPERATION!!!! If you read between the lines , the republicans have one agenda-MONEY FOR THE WEALTHY STAYING THERE!. We need change. You cry when Obama doesnt do anything and when he finally does, you complain. Give me a break and give him a break and lets see if it works since any change will be good right now but its not about parties, its about the American people.
Joey,
Darn right. Thanks
Joey, well said.
Joey, I agree. The President is supposed to be positive, to try and get people back to work, to unite the country, and to encourage consumer confidence. Someone needs to tell the Republicans: Let President Obama do his job!
JOEY - WELL SAID - AMEN ---- ITS ABOUT US - NOT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tough choice with Jobs Bill? Wow, thats tough. I guess the only way out of this mess is to dump every Supply Sider that currently infests US government.
Besides, the R's are-----R's. And some of the D's are---------R's. Supply Siders every single one.
Protect Oil? Protect it from what?
Romney thinks Cheney was a great Vice-President? Hell let him run for President, everyone else is.
It is OK for everyone to have an opinion and support what they believe in. Key word "everyone". I know that is a difficult concept for liberals to grasp and understand or to show any respect when someone deosn't agree with them.
TonyC, your opinions are welcome as long as they are factual.
You dont have a good record in that department or in providing sources for some of your statements, very essential in stating opinions, otherwise someone will call you on it.
You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. Know the difference.
How much you want to bet Romney flips during the general election and says Cheney was to blame for the Bush fiascoes?
Dick Cheney should be in jail.
I know that is a difficult concept for liberals to grasp
Conservatives' claims to a greater tolerance for differences of opinion are laughable - every day on this board Feisty Red Head gets them so upset they hit the collapse button on her. It takes at least 5 complaints to collapse a comment, so one little Feisty Red Head sends them calling for reinforcements to block her opinions! Such hypocrites.
Gingerbread. Interesting that you mixup opinion and facts. I do post my opinion and I do post facts. Just because you do not accept the facts doesn't change them.
Here is a fact: Solyndra spent nearly 2 million dollars lobbying the Obama administration and the White House urged that the funds be approved. Emails from OMB appear to suggest individuals were pushed to "rush the approval". Tax payers are out $500,000.
Here is an opinoin: The economy will not improve in the next 16 months due to Obama's belief that government spending is a solution to a weak economy.
You did confirm one thing. Liberals believe their opinions are facts!
Tony C.......ever read and understand some of the responses to your posts? Most of them are corrections of your 'factual' facts and opinions. I guess you dont like them or ignore them as they dont fit YOUR 'facts'. I guess that closed mind of yours is like a steel trap, huh?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec11/solyndra_09-14.html
Gingerbread, I never shy away from responding. I read them and respond, even if it is a day later. Oh yea, for sure, when I post an opinion or a fact there are those who disagree with both or either. Usually the response to my posts, facts or opinion are just insults, name-calling and ugly comments. However, not in every case. Again, when I post a fact, just because you don't like the fact does not change the truth.
Here are some more facts for you to ignore: after 32 months of this administration, the economy is weak, unemployment is high, the dollar is down in value, gold is up in value, the debt and deficit spending is higher and home prices are falling in most parts of the country.
By the way, I do not have a closed mind. I tune in to more MSNBC shows than other shows. Doesn't make sense to watch and listen to peopel I agree with. Try it sometime. You either learn what you don't like or learn that your views are still valid. Opinion: liberals are more closed minded than people like me, based on my experience.
dangerfield,
Thanks for the link, I hope people here will take a moment to read it. Very interesting.
thetotas-
They won't, but glad someone did...
The lazy could just watch the video.
PBS isn't very popular with the Fox vs. MSNBC crowd...
thetotas
Here is the link you asked for a while back.
ttp://yourblackworld.com/2011/08/24/tea-party-rep-passes-facebook-joke-about-killing-the-obamas/
Give Tony C. a break. He needs the Snail Shell Shuffle very desperately.
And Tony. Yeah, Solyndra went belly up. So? Hundreds of billions of US Taxpayer dollars in $100 bills on shrink wrapped pallets strangely disappeared in Iraq.
I assume you had point somewhere?
barry, Do you feel better now. Read my posts and maybe you will understand the point. But, I doubt it.
I just love this diversion tactic when you really have no response.
Interesting that the House Democrats have not put this "bill" forward as yet.
I guess they need to post the bill online and give the public the 72 hour (Obama transparency review), before moving forward. That is probably the reason.
That's more than likely because the Republicans control the House and it is their job to put the Bill on Line.
Once again Tony C. you need to learn the meaning of the word "Responsibility" as well as the definition of what a "Fact" is. Learn how the Congress is set up to work and stop trying to fit everything into your ideological view of how YOU want things to work.
I know what a fact is. It is a fact, and it has been reported that the Democrats in the House have not put the proposal forward due to their concerns. Some of them has spoken out about this fact.
Why do liberals exaggerate and misrepresent what someone who disagrees with them says?
I said, Interesting that House Democrats have not put this "bill" forward. First, that is a true factual statement. Second, you decided to read into it and draw a conclusion based on your opinion with added insults. I made a straight forward factual comment. You expressed an opinion. Somehow it appears you believe if you twist what is said that makes your opinion a fact.
Tony C, the democrats are not in charge in the House; it is Speaker Boehner who must put the bill forward. In addition, the plan must go through several committees for action prior to being brought to the floor. I want democrats to disagree, to add ideas just as I want republicans to as well. The American Jobs Plan is available on the WH website.
Jody, I didn't see the need to be that precise. But I will in the future. Based on the post about opinion and facts, I still have a feeling there will be those who remain confused.
I have read some of it. Not sure we need another government agency.
How can the Republicans put the bill online when Obama says he hasn't finished it yet?
Thank you Gingerbread Mama - another great post! Pat Robertson is another nut job all in the name of "religion". Thank God, not my kind of religion.
Does this mean Romney is in favor of having a running mate who will run the same shadow government and make all the decisions the way Cheney did for Bush?
The unemployment rate is over 9% and, as reported 9-13-11, the poverty rate in the USA is 15.1%, meaning 46,200,000 Americans are impoverished. Only Chile, Israel and Mexico have higher poverty rates than the USA among members of the OECD. Without unemployment benefits and Social Security helping, these numbers would have been 23,500,000 higher. Imagine that, 69,700,000 Americans living in poverty. That is 22.7% of all Americans are living in poverty.
Is this acceptable to you?
Between 1970 & 2008 the top 0.1% of Americans (152,000) saw an overall increase in income of +385% while to bottom 90% (137,000,000) saw an overall decrease in income of -1%.
Where has the middle class gone? The middle class became the lower class.
Why?
The conservatives blame the liberals who blame the conservatives. They are correct: "We have met the enemy and he is us", Pogo, 1953.
The globalism and "free trade" that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us happened. Laissez-faire policies happened.
We were not told that the "global economy" would mean that middle class American workers would have to compete directly for jobs with people of the third world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations.
The global corporations have benefited by exploiting third world labor sending American middle class jobs to them.
Corporate profits have become more important than the well being of individual Americans.
Is this the way it should be?
Agreed, you are 100% right its corporate America and greed that has been the downfall of this nation. Not to mention us policing the world for the past 50 years and allowing illegal immigrants in here getting free education and healthcare. The middle class is getting screwed every way here and the only solution is to vote people into office, not politicians . They are all corrupt. If change is going to happen, it has to be done quickly or soon we r all doomed except for the top 1 %. Hope you guys are happy but please don't call yourselves patriotic Americans.
Many of the folks on the right are un-patriotic Americans.
I've seen more anti-American leftists than anything else. You know, the leftists like Obama and his cronies who ally themselves with, and befriend domestic terrorists who feel they "didn't do enough [bombing]" and "preachers" who loudly shout "God damn America"!!!!! How about Obama refusing to cover his heart during the National Anthem. Yeah, what a patriotic bunch!
So that is what makes a patriotic person, whether or not you put you hand on your heart during the playing of the national anthem. I have heard that just buying a flag pin makes you more of a patriot.
A true patriot would put our country before politics and the rich. I always thought that patriotism was the country pulling together for what is best for our country. The republicans are only concerned about what is best for the rich and the rest of America, you just need to fend for yourselves while the republicans take more and more from the poor to give to the rich.
I think America has had about all the republican patriotism we can stand. Republicans seem to think that signing a pledge with Norquist to kill America for permanent tax breaks to the rich is somehow patriotic.
Republicans were wearing a flag pin and had our hand over our heart as we destroyed America, how much more patriotism do you expect?
I stand up when I shake a person's hand. I use the appropriate prefix when addressing a person of authority. I hold the door for a person. Do any of those serve a useful purpose. No. But they all convey a sign of respect in those instances just like covering my heart with my right hand when the anthem is played. America First that is the problem a great many of us have with Obama and people like you. You all are selfish and unfeeling and you have no respect for what so many hold dear. Why in the hell do you identify yourself as America First because you obviously don't believe that. How can you expect people to respect you when you obviously have no respect for others. The devotion you liberals have for Obama reminds me very much of all those teenie boppers fawning and fainting over the Beatles in the 60s.
I am not the one whose party cheered at the death of a 30 year old without health insurance. I am not the one who party wants to take everything from the poor and can't bring themselves to ask anything of the rich. Tell me about all the respect you have for others.
I gave the republican party the respect they deserved. They will be standing with their hand over their heart wearing their flag pin while destroying America. Not raising taxes is just a way to kill America and you want to pretend we don't know that.
Your devotion to the republicans remind me of a cult. Opinions and lies outweighs facts and history.
Whether the American Jobs Plan is a deliberate trap for the GOPTP is irrelevant. 43% of citizens want the bill passed; the percentages are much higher when asked about specific portions of the plan including 74% who want the Government to provide money to hire teachers and first responders. If it is a trap for the GOPTP, it is a trap they set for themselves by obstructing, delaying, denying for the sole purpose of defeating President Obama and to heck with the Nation.
The point is the citizens recognize that the economy is sputtering, they want jobs; they are hurting, and they recognize that Congress is failing them. If the GOPTP obstructs the actual spending portions of the bill for infrastructure, teachers, first responders, they risk losing their seats in 2012. If the GOPTP passes the legislation, the Tea Party will challenge them in 2012. Republican legislators should remember they were for all the people in a district or state not just the ones registered as "R's" and they must ask themselves a question: what is more important to them--doing what is right for the American people and for the country as a whole or playing to a small ideologically rigid faction of their party. The answer is easy but those GOPTPers seem to ignore what the people are telling them. If they continue to ignore and play political football with the American economy and people's lives, they lose no matter how principled they claim to be.
I saw under 30%. Where is the 43% of Americans coming from? Can't find it anywhere. As the article points out, many people in the Democratic party are skeptical. A Public Polling survey on Tuesday showed 68% of Americans believe that the President cannot create any jobs.
Trapped? Back in the 80's a fellow named Ronald Reagan came into office touting what George H.W. Bush called "voodoo economics". Congress, which was in the hands of the Democrats, decided to grant President Reagan his wish list. They were confident it would fail. They decided to "trap" him. It is an empirical fact, after all, that spending and deficits increase far more under Republicans than Democrats.
It is true that the conditions described in the Laffer curve obtained. Tax revenues increased. That's the only success of the Reagan era. The federal debt swelled 189%. The size of the federal government increased. The size of the budget increased. Federal regulation decreased. For those who are truly interested, you might want to check out how unemployment figures were re-configured/manipulated to create more favorable numbers.
So here we are today, living the results of the Reagan "success".
Republicans, show some guts! Fire up that propaganda/prevarication machine and tell America how you've decided to let that sorry-ass President have his way, but you're just doing the right thing, just like a Democratic Congress did for St. Ron. Go ahead, man-up. Let President Obama fail. Pass this bill, right away.
Remember 1948 and Harry Truman and the do nothing Congress.
Pass this bill.
Ray, there are dozens of polls with varying results. Actually it should read 45% want the AJP passed, my typo and didn't catch it. 74% approve money for teachers and first responders; 65% approve raising taxes on incomes above $200,000 and eliminating loopholes, 63% support infrastructure spending. The more people know about the specifics in the plan, the greater the support for it.
Job1, you are the one who needs to review history. Truman had both a Republican House and Senate for the previous 4 years. None of Truman's programs had been passed. Obama, on the other hand, had a Democratic congress for two years with all of his programs passed. He is now suffering from the results of those programs. Now he says the answer to our problems is to repeat what has already failed. Totally different from what Truman went through. Yes the first stimulus did not work but it is the Republicans fault because they wouldn't repeat the same thing over again.
Jody, I have not seen that in any polls. You say eliminate loopholes is very high until you tell the American people which loopholes. The past two days the Democrats have been running trial balloons on eliminating loophole for the home mortgage deduction and charitable contributions for people making more than $250K. When listing these exact loopholes, support goes to less than 30%. Why not close the more than 500 loopholes and deductions for green energy. The support for closing these is well over 60% but those would hit Democratic campaign donors very heavy. Everyone is for closing loophole but the problem is which loopholes and deductions.
Jody, excellent points. I have observed the same with regard to these TPr's, they are not there to represent all in their districts in fact as far as they are concerned if you dont have an R next to your name you just dont exist....do you suppose they signed another pledge to do so? I happen to live in such a district and know 'my' representative has arrogantly dismissed Democrats and liberals as not worthy of his time or consideration. Great country we live in!
Obama is no Harry Truman. Read the Book "Plain Speaking". We could use a guy like Harry S. today.
Ray,
According to the recent Gallup Poll, it's actually 45% of Americans want their Congressman to pass Obama's Job Bill.. 45% yes, 32% no..
Here are my thoughts on the current field of Republican candidates:
Happy Thursday.
And the one that does will be the next President.
Happy Thursday to you too Nashers - Go Titans!! Ravens this week? Easy win Sunshine.
Do the right thing , it gratify some and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Go Rangers
NEWS STORY JUST OUT
Palin was working the paint with Glen Rice.
She thought she would have her s e x scandal before she got into politics.
A woman ahead of her time.
No evidence of this. But if you keep saying this, maybe someone will believe it.
It's also coming to light that her & the first dud were at one time very fond of the straw...
Maybe that's why she demands only *bendy* straws when she's on parade - arthritis...
I'm pretty sure Glen Rice woulda executed the give and go with perfection.
LOL!
But, but, how's Sarah's dribble...?
she double dribbles, alot!
IF this story is true - and both McGinnis and the National Enquirer have pretty good track records on such things - this would be a fabulous opportunity for the Republican Party to kills two birds with one stone.
Palin - the screaming shrew - is the icon of moral rectitude. She is the eternal victim and she guarantees that by victimizing herself. IF - again the big IF - she has dabbled in drugs, gone star effing, and cheated on her husband, she has done no more than a whole lot of other citizens. What we all know what makes her different in that respect is that she condemns everyone else who does the same thing - the "reformed whore" syndrome.
No one is better at faux outrage than a Republican. Here's what they should do. Stand up and admit you are embarrassed to have been snookered by the woman. Banish this evil-doer; not because she has done drugs and a basketball star, but because she was dishonest. That gets her out of the party. That's good, especially since you desperately need to be perceived as having at least some semblance of honesty.
Then embrace the idea that what people do in their personal lives is their business and no one else's. After all, who was hurt by this whole mess? No me and not you. It's none of our business. No one can hammer the party for hypocrisy - at least not on that issue.
I think I know what happened though. During the game, the coach screamed at Rice, "Man up!" and Palin said, "I can take care of that."
DW, what you say makes sense, that is why it will be lost on the Republicans.
Palin and Clinton need to hook up. Maybe she will perform with no spillage on her dress and just take it all down like a real woman.
dontgivemethepenguin
Palin and Clinton need to hook up. Maybe she will perform with no spillage on her dress and just take it all down like a real woman.
Someone sure seems angry with and scared of women...
Let's give you "credit" for being an equal opportunity offender
What a crock of horse crap. If there was any truth to any of this it would have been out long ago say 2008 during the Presidential Campaign. The fact that none of this turned up then and there were way more people looking there is no evidence now but more garbage from a third rate writer. Sarah Palin should not even respond to this.
my guess is she will, even though she said she was fair game, just stay off Glen and family.
anything the Democrats do is a trap for the Republicans so the game continued,Mrs. Hillery R. Clinton same as we got her people surround President Obama, in other News higher than expected unemployment, lower than expected consumer spending an higher gas an food prices, bad day for the White House, in other News Sept, 17, 2011 might be a day of concern the Muslin Extremist,Revolutionary,Labor Union, Marxism, Socialist an communist are planing a [day of rage] here in the United States an around the World, they have joined together for this action. Boys an Girls shinning a light on them they might go back under the rock that they came from, I'm wounding was are Progressive Professional career Politicians liberals an rhino's were going to joined up with them as they go around destroying the United States an the rest of the World we see how it turn out in the Middle East all leading up to the New World Order, wake up America it will be a sad day if they get there way. Good day
The republican party in it's entirety is morally bankrupt. They are behaving as if they only work for the rich. It is time for the republican party to crawl out of the dark hole they have been stewing in and start acting as if the other 90% of Americans have a say in how our government operates. The rich do not need nor deserve lower tax rates than the middle class and they certainly do not need tax deductions on top of their lower rates.
Tax the rich.
and looky, looky - they've managed to get the Heritage Foundation to pin the blame SQUARELY on the poor for ***GASP*** air conditioning and refrigerators,...no joke:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/Understanding-Poverty-in-the-United-States-Surprising-Facts-About-Americas-Poor
(paraphrasing)
First they came for the teachers, then they came for the poor - when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up.
History is literally doomed to repeat itself, as Dr. Brzinski stated this morning - an uprising will be the end result,...we just need to figure out when,...
Yeah Clara and Obama blamed ATM Machines for the high unemployment.
I bet the EPA and the NLRB may have a role! But we certainly seem to fund "green" jobs that end up in the "red". Obama will continue to find something and somebody to blame for his failed policies. His track record along those lines is clear.
I must have missed that one, richard, can you source it? thanks,
Democrats who can't support the President's plans without running their mouths are just disgusting! They keep whining about how he's not standing up to the Republicons. Then when he does, they're stumbling over each other to show how spineless they are!
"And Rep. Heath Shuler: “The most important thing is to get our fiscal house in order. Then we can talk about other aspects of job creation.”
This dude has an ego bigger than Cali!! He's the same dude who had the nerve to contest for Dem House leadership with Nancy Pelosi -- one of the most effective House Speakers of all time! And that was after he had served a meager 2 terms in congress. Dude, you need to come to terms with the fact that you're mediocre at everything. You sucked as a Quarterback, and you suck as a congressman. How about we take your job and all your income away, and not give it back until the country takes care of the deficit?! How would you like that?!
The President has to keep hammering the American Jobs Bill to get passed. He also has to keep hammering the U.S Congress as a do nothing Congress if they don't pass it. That goes for the Democrats and Republican-Tea Potty.
Heath Shuler has to go.
So Lefty Robert Reich says Obama Bill "plainly wasn't meant to pass; Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va) calls it "terrible". And guess what the liberal loons think is going to happen? They think they can blame the Obama economy on the republicans.
Jeez - i guess you just can't teach stupid. Let's see they tried the strategy of blaming Bush before the the midterms and got a shellacking. Lets now blame it on the those rich doctors making a couple hundred grand a year by working 60 plus hours a week saving lives. The argument being that some how its them that are forcing poor kids into substandard schools.
Progressivism has now been exposed definitively as a MENTAL DISORDER.
Rob, you are exposing yourself as a stupid fool. Most people are aware that the downturn of the economy was caused not by republicans alone but by both parties and the parties were both involved with their Wall Street masters in causing the problems. What happened however is that the democrats elected a President that does not think Wall Street and congress should run roughshod over the middle class.
President Obama is and has been calling for a leveling out of the playing field by eliminating the bennies that the rich get but the middle class does not. And we certainly do not need to be crying over the economic welfare of doctors...that is simply ridicules.
Rob, you should really do some fact checks and stop throwing you opinion as facts.
Job 1, vice versa. Oh, I forgot Job1 has me on ignore. LOL
Rob meet TonyC, he too, confuses facts and opinions
Gingerbread, you need to read your first comment in post 6.2 and then let me know who is confused. By the way, of the facts I posted today, which facts do you find fault with? I know you disagree with my opinion. Which facts that I posted did you come to the conclusion were opinions? You have some different economic numbers to share? You have different facts about Solyndra? I bet not.
Gingerbread, do you really believe your cut and paste stuff from some liberal souce that you like is fact based?
Well, my "opinion" looks to be correct. Liberals cannot have a discussion in a civil way and stick to the subject being discussed. But, boy can they throw the foul mouth stuff around.
Looks like Ginger bread doesn't have a response.....
For those of you that believe green energy will never take the place of coal-fire power generating systems, stop and look to see who is investing in wind and solar technology in the United States: Border Bank (an infrastructure bank created as part of NAFTA), Barclay's (London), Chevron, BP, Shell, and numerous European and Asian interests. Southwest United States, as well as, northern Mexico are ideal areas for solar power generation development. In California, over 25% of current solar power fields are a result of agriculture investment. Other sectors investing in solar power are local governments, public utilities, school districts, and businesses. Annual profits of $25K per acre are expected with a 10-year break-even point.
What will this do for capitalism? Plenty!! It will normalize healthcare costs by reducing and / or eliminating greenhouse gas emissions, as well as, particulate matter in the form of heavy metals. It is these heavy metals that drive healthcare costs through the roof and is a major reason for the increase of long-term disability claims; which in turn is bankrupting the Social Security Disability Fund. Moreover, energy-heavy cement plants introduce Mercury into the environment and cause a great deal of neurological damage in humans. There are other major contributors.
High healthcare costs take money from our more important social institutions; schools in particular. Education is our most effective economic tool. Education requires healthy minds and bodies. Teaching professionals have enough classroom challenges without having to deal with disruptive behavior from students affected by brain disorders and other developmental problems caused by environmental pollution. Our society has been irresponsible for too long.
If the prospect of less government and lower taxes turns you on; do not be so blindly led by congressional members or political parties that advocate a reduction to environmental regulations on business. It means bigger government and higher taxes.
If we quadruple the amount of wind and solar energy production over the next 10 years it will still be less than 2.5% of our requirement. To meet the needs of just Manhattan in NYC, we would have to turn the entire state of Connecticut into a wind and solar farm. Not to mention the cost of such energy tripling the energy costs. On nuclear plant would give you twice the amount of energy at 25% of the cost. Wind and solar are not logistically or economically feasible in the long run. Any energy analyst who is not on the government green energy dole will tell you this.
Gee Ray, you make crap up just like that. Beautiful!
Ray it takes at least 10 years to build a nuclear power plant, plus all the ramp up time just to get one approved.
How will that help us immediately?
What we can all agree on is that someday (sooner and sooner than we think) we will run out of fossil fuel, whether it is fuel under land "belonging" to the US or fuel we import. We can start finding alternative sources of power for when that day comes, and we can wean ourselves off unnecessary usage of energy. If we are worried about leaving debt for our children and grandchildren, we should also worry about leaving them unprepared for life without the fossil-fueled amenities they enjoy today....what would you suggest, Ray W? How can we meet our "requirement" for energy while not considering alternate, renewable sources? You say they are not "economically feasible," but NO energy will be economically feasible in the long run...we will end up paying premium prices for any little bit of energy we can produce (whether fossil fuel or not).
anyone who votes for cuts to medicare or SS will perish at the polls!
And...we will all perish when we drown in the debt. What do you call the large "cut" to Medicare payments that were in Obamacare? Bottomline, don't vote for Obama.
If republicans really cared about the debt at all, they would be taxing the rich. I mean if the debt is really a national problem, is it really so outrageous to ask the rich to give to their country too?
If you truly love your country, and truly care about the debt, you would ask those with the most to sacrifice with the rest of us?
Apparently stingy is the best emotion they can come up with. They want you to believe that is patriotism, stealing from the poor to give more to the rich.
For the love of America Obama 2012
You just love misinformation and exaggerations along with someone else paying your way.
PS, The rich do pay taxes. It must really be awful going through life being so jealous and bitter.
Hey First Read and MSNBC.
Where's your article covering the fact that first time unemployment benefits just went up 11,000 to an adjusted 428,000, the highest it's been in three months?
Guess it's time to pass President Obama's Jobs Bill!
You mean the second "stimulus" because the first "stimulus didn't work?
Tony, you repeat that lie over and over and is no more true than the first time you lied about it.
Is that it, you have no argument, just lies?
Are the republicans the party that does not know how to govern, but boy can we lie party? Our supporters are not only loyal, but stupid enough to repeat our lies daily.
Do you get paid per lie, or do you do it just for fun?
Tony, you repeat that lie over and over and is no more true than the first time you lied about it.
Is that it, you have no argument, just lies?
Are the republicans the party that does not know how to govern, but boy can we lie party? Our supporters are not only loyal, but stupid enough to repeat our lies daily.
Do you get paid per lie, or do you do it just for fun?
It is OK, the first annaversary of Recovery Summer is upon us. I was thinking Obama should have had a party to celebrate. Maybe Obama should have given away shovels at the party. Gee, no party. The stimulus was the same as a "sugar" high and wore off quickly. Check the economic numbers, better yet, that is why Obama wants another "sugar" high. Still got your head in the sand I see.
No, let give more tax breaks to the richest (job creators). Look at all the jobs the tax cuts created. Surely you can't go wrong giving more tax cuts to the richest? You mean that kind of sand?
Your misinformation and exaggerations will not work. Just like Obama's exaggerations, blame and excuses will not get him reelected. Voters are on to this "empty suit" in the White House. The polls and the recent elections in NYC and Nevada kind of point to that fact. It even looks like Obama's "new stimulus" doesn't even have enough support in the Senate to pass let alone the House. If throwing government money at the unemployment was a solution the unemployment would be way less than it is today. I bet the unemployment will stay at 9.1% and higher for the rest of year. Obama's policies have failed. No two ways about it. Spin it any way you like. Obama does. Not going to work this time around. Most Americans do not want socialism. 16 more months to a wake-up. Notice you didn't dispute that "recovery summer" was a bust.
LMAO......that's right AF the stimulus did work.......unemployment is under 8%, we have new many new bridges and roads created by all the shovel ready jobs, corporations are hiring more, GNP is growing at 3 % as predicted, no worries of a recessio0n, banks are lending money,.....our economy is doing great because of the Stimulus.
Ah yes, the stimulus. Even Conservative economists acknowledge it worked, but of course the Conservative political world has no use for reality. http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/End-of-Great-Recession.pdf
To believe this legislation is a trap for the GOP makes an assumption that the President will be able to sell his ability to create jobs with his second stimulus plan when he couldn't with the first stimulus plan. There is no evidence of any surge of the American electorate behind this plan. In fact, as more news comes to the service of stimulus money mismanagement from the first stimulus such as Solyndra, it may be far more difficult to sell the second stimulus. Now we find out that the tax deductions and loopholes the President want to close for his stimulus are the charitable deductions. So we get more union stimulus and green energy spending by taking money from the safety net for the poor. We do have redistribution of wealth here. But it is from the rich to Obama campaign supporters.
Ray,
There you go lieing again. The first stimulus created millions of jobs..Look at the facts.
Brad, what was the unemployment rate before the stimulus and after? Have you seen the most recent unemployment clain filing numbers? You need to look at the facts, not misleading government spin.
Obama is on track to become the FIRST President in history to have negative job growth over a 4 year term
I really don't know yet what to believe about this jobs bill,but being 70 years old and have voted a split ticket for the last about 49 years for who I thought would do the best job,will NOT vote for any GOP person until they close All loop holes and raise the tax rate for all the rich and super rich. I am talking about the personnal pay of all upper corporate people,movie,tv,media,sports stars,doctor,lawyers,etc.,or anyone making $250,000 a year. Mr.Bohner says doing this would create less jobs. I don't believe asking the rich and super rich to pay more of their pay has anything to do with jobs. The GOP is just plain and simple a rich mans party that could care less about the poor and middle class.
The GOP is just plain and simple a rich mans party that could care less about the poor and middle class.
Looks that way to me too.
So, am I to understand that all the rich Hollywood types are Republicans? What about all the rich Wall St. and Big Banker types? Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are voting Republican? See how mis-informed you are and how much you exaggerate?
Not all rich are republicans. But, all republicans put the rich before America.
Why can't we ask the ones with the most to sacrifice with the rest of us? Is a pledge to Norquist really more important than what is best for America and its people?
Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor and Grover Norquist steals from the poor to give to the rich. Norquist has all the republicans signed pledges to do his bidding. Their stated patriotic goal is to kill America.
I don't know how you were brought up, but you don't kill America while you claim to love it. Not raising taxes is just a way to kill America.
You say a lot of ridicuious things but that claim is really ridicuious over the top. Wow!
I would hope you have zero support for that kind of talk.
I know that democrats are never to tell the truth.
Not raising taxes is just a way to kill America.
Norquist not only knows it, but it is his stated goal to kill America and doing it by not raising taxes.
What planet do you live on acting like I said such an outrageous thing?
you are just a bitter and jealous person full of prejudice ideas. Plain and simple!
Yesterday First Read stuck with the general corporate media narrative about Obama's "rough" day or whatever and ran with the Bloomberg poll showing 51% of the public opposing the Obama jobs bill. But there was a CNN poll that showed a plurality that SUPPORTED it by a margin of 8% over those opposed (43% favor, 35% opposed). The CNN poll was mostly ignored. I guess it didn't fit with the agreed-upon narrative.
I see that at today, at least First Read mentioned the CNN poll and a Gallup poll that are consistent. Looks like the Bloomberg poll is the outrider.
The CNN piece was taken from a general poll and not one of register voters. Even more accurate is one such as Rasmussen which poll 'most likely to vote' which polls those who have a history of voting in every election. A poll such as the one CNN or Reuters run will actually includes illegals in their numbers.
The Bloomberg News article said nothing about registered voters. As for Rasmussen, his polls are a crock not worth paying attention to. Unless he's psychic, his predictions of who is likely to vote more than a year from now are dubious at best.
Republicans win Weiner's seat, not held by a Republican since 1923 - check
Obama gives $535 million to a bankrupt solar panel plant that's now being investigated by the FBI - check
Obama's DOJ is involved with "Fast and Furious" - check
Majority of American's don't believe stimulus 2 will be effective - check
Highest poverty rate in 18 years - check
9% unemployment for 2 years - check
0.8% GDP growth rate - check
15% of population on food stamps - check
$14.6 trillion in debt - check
loss of our credit rating - check
Oh, but Obama got Bin Laden !!
How many of the 14 million unemployed would rather have a job now, than know Bin Laden is dead?
If these aren't reasons enough for Republican's not to give Obama one more red cent, then I don't know what will.
Give him a watered down version if anything Boehner, America has turned its back on Hope & Change.
Obama is the biggest joke ever played on America.
From King to Jester in less than 3 years !!
Mitt Romney 2012.
Mitt Romney who was so impressed with the condition that bush left our country in that he hired bush's economic adviser as his own.
Now he thinks cheney was a great vice president. I guess Romney is ignoring torture, outing a CIA agent while pushing lies to get us into the Iraq war. We can't forget cheney's secret energy meetings that shorty thereafter California and New York's energy cost went through the roof. I think it is very karmic that now cheney is battery powered as he truly has no heart.
It looks like Romney thinks that a rerun of the bush years is what America needs right now. Because now in the republican brain all was good and wonderful until Obama became president.
Mitt Romney's head is made of plastic.
Rod_Father
Apparently so is the spot where a heart should reside. But the wallet, it's ALL leather (or is it human hide? so hard to tell.)
Trap or not, political or not something has to happen and their is only one of the players doing anything.
I don't imagine any plan would be perfect but no plan would be a catastrophe.
As if we can wait for 14 more months and if the worst case comes true, after the 14 months the middle class will be something our grand kids read about in their history books.
Here is a fun fact I have been wanting to look up:
In the 2010 mid terms Eric Cantor in his bid for Virginia Representative, Mr. Cantor received 138,093 votes.
In the 2008 Presidential Election Barack Obama came away with a popular vote of 69,456,897
So tell me again what does America want Eric?
This is supposed to make sense? Compare apples and orange? The point is there is little support for the President's program outside of the far left in America.
the polls shown in the story, not poll polls, definitely indicated that more are for it than against it. So, what is the right plan? Just sit here and keep waiting and hope everything will get better on it's own? Can millions of Americans afford it, people lose their jobs and homes everyday but we can just sit and wait it out.