I don't understand how anyone is dumb enough to believe a thing the Republicans say; the pattern of Republicans misrepresenting the facts, or being plain old ignorant, is too overwhelming.

I actually feel sorry for Huntsman, he's the only one that stands a real chance with the political middle. The teanuts won't give him the chance to there own downfall.

On another note...

Pass this bill

Pay for it with the rich only tax breaks!

"This is all about presenting real proposals to the American people, cutting out the scary references, cutting out the political bluster and hot air," Huntsman said. "We find ourselves sometimes at extreme ends politically kinda shouting past one other. All the American people are looking for is simply some proposals. Just give us a road map."

Definitely has not been back from China long enough, or

Yep .... he's a liberal ..... detached from reality.

Newt is right, Americans are scared and very scared of another 4 from the current moron.

"we find ourselves at extemes ...."

Yea, the highest number of poor Americans in history is kinda extreme.

Pass this bill

That's stupid, it doesn't create jobs.

Pay for it with the rich only tax breaks!

That's stupid, if you took 100% of the profits for Fortune 500 companies - you still end up about 37 billion short.

And btw - how does this create sustainable jobs?

Huntsman...

lol

His viability as a presidential candidate (certainly for the GOP) in the upcoming political cycle is definitely questionable (he's more viable as a Democratic candidate, actually).

"Liberal disaffection" is far less mythical than Huntsman's chances as a GOP candidate.

Huntsman as a Democratic candidate for President?

He might actually have a shot...

Want to resurrect the notion of "conservative Democrats"?

Make Huntsman the Democratic nominee for the 2012 election.

"And btw - how does this create sustainable jobs?"

I bet it doesn't. I bet if the money were made available to build and repair roads, bridges and other infrastructure, the thounsands and thousands of people hired to do those jobs would NOT buy groceries, cars, shoes, or any other consumables, increasing demand in those sectors which in turn would result in new hires there, too. I know- let's wait for the private sector to make all those infrastructure improvements.

Neat idea, Bob. We're with you all the way!

You really need to stop and pay attention from time to time. You obviously haven't learned anything with drive by observations.

When has that worked. A decade of big government intervention took the unemployment rate in June 1930 (that's after the crash and peak unemployment of 9%) from 6% to 25% to 15%.

As Anna noted there was even a 2nd recession in 1937 when government funding of government supported jobs was pulled back. Duh.

Bottom line is that a decade of big government only got the unemployment down to 15% - AND THAT WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE WITHOUT TAX PAYER SUPPORT.

Obama tried it - IT DIDN'T WORK! Still at 9%.

dbo - People will by necessities and save everything they can because of uncertainity. Same with business. Happens every time with temporary band aids to big structural problems such as Obama has created.

Even Obama's CBO doesn't believe it other than to suggest it may have a temporary effect ...... what business firing someone to cash in on an Obama coupon for a new hire?

Hiring someone at 50k for 10% off taxes for a year when your other taxes go up, cost due to regulations goes up, costs of energy keep going up, cost of everything due to Obama's devaluation of the dollar keep going up, on and on.

Thank God everyone else is starting to get it.

Sorry you never will .... at least until you stop and get off the Obama short bus and actually look around.

Fear = Conservative. Of course we already know that.

Jon Huntsman is a solid conservative--so was Bennett in Utah, a very red state. But Reagan, or even Goldwater, would not be accepted by the GOP/TP now, because Teapublicans have moved so far to the right. Think about it--Ron Paul is like Goldwater, but will never be embraced as Goldwater was because he is not a religious zealot or war monger or inconsistent hypocrite willing to pander to a purity test.

All you far-right wing-nuts, if you took a political ideology test you would score in the fascist range. I am a true Independent, registered as such since the 80s. The only time there is agreement with a Teabagger is when I reach across the aisle to them. They NEVER come to the center, so obviously anything to the left of center looks like communism to them.

Jon Huntsman is correct--it is scary. Throw the radical anarchists out. Obama/Biden - 2012!

Headline: "Widening European debt crisis raises global recession risk".

That danged ol' Obama.

I'm still with you all the way, Bob. Tax breaks for the wealthy. We all know how many jobs that's creating, considering the cuts are still in place right now.

Yep. All the way, Einstein.

Buzzards: I bet if the money were made available to build and repair roads, bridges and other infrastructure, the thounsands and thousands of people hired to do those jobs would NOT buy groceries, cars, shoes, or any other consumables, increasing demand in those sectors which in turn would result in new hires there, too. I know- let's wait for the private sector to make all those infrastructure improvements.

We played this little game in 2009. The reasons you Liberals gave for doing so were the same then as they are now. The results were a disaster. Now you and other Liberals want do the same thing again, with half the money, and you somehow you expect better results.

You Liberals are the very definition of insanity.

Headline: "Widening European debt crisis raises global recession risk".

Poor Obama. He picked a bad time to be President. This is no fun for him at all. Just bad news, all the time.

Must be time for him to give another speech, because speeches create jobs.

bob-1805084

Pass this bill

That's stupid, it doesn't create jobs....

OK, I'll bite bob-numbers:

So you're saying that construction work isn't a job. Being a teacher, firefighter, engineer and all the other non-jobs they support are also not necessary. Is that your claim?

OK, lets try it your way then. How about all us non-job people just hand over everything we have to the top 2%. What would our country look like then? 98% in poverty, the rich won't have to worry about the trickle down crap because they'll already have it all. Us 98%ers will just die off and poof the world is then better? You're delusional.

In order to sustain an economy, you need demand.

In order to create demand, you need people to have money to buy things.

In order to have people be able to buy things, you need jobs (whether those are the type of jobs you believe they should be is irrelevant at this point).

I've never took a government handout in my life. Fortunately my job has an international market, so when things are bad here that means that it's better somewhere else, thus self sustaining.

My problem with your utopia has more to do with the corporate welfare factor.

Eliminate those giveaways to the non-job creating rich that don't need the tax brakes and move those funds back down to the demand side of the equation. That's how you create more jobs and thus create the sustainability we need.

A little common sense goes a long way as long as you have an open mind.

Don't worry, the money will still make its way back to the rich eventually.

bob and crew are delusional and, as usual, mis-attributing causes and effects. It is always the same regurgitated, supply side BS economics from the right. They, like MB, are only against "welfare" that they do not qualify for. You claim "everyone else" is starting to get it? Yeah, everyone except every economist along with CBO who says will likely create 1.5-2 million jobs....duh

"We played this little game in 2009."

I don't think using half the money for tax breaks for people that don't need them is part of the plan this time, is it?

BTW, Smiff- " I know- let's wait for the private sector to make all those infrastructure improvements."

That's gonna happen, too, isn't it?

".......because speeches create jobs."

I don't know, Smiff- the ones put out there by the GOP sure didn't in the 2010 cycle....

"In order to sustain an economy, you need demand."

And here's the rub, Tom- there is demand. From emerging markets overseas. Our corporations don't have to give a rat's ass about our people anymore. Just rake in the profits and hire cheap labor over there. Why do you think they are doing so well these days, while the rest of the country sinks deeper and deeper and deeper?

Then, people like Smiff cheer them all on. Why? Who the hell knows??

Joannasmith,

Tax cuts for the wealthy. The Bush tax cuts. How many years have they been in place? And how many jobs did they create? Tax cuts for the wealthy = no jobs. Tax cuts for the wealthy = wealthier rich people.

Are we missing something? Please tell us all here on Newsvine about the millions of jobs the Bush tax cuts created.

To show you how far to the right the GOP has moved, Huntsman is the most like Ronald Reagan only without the acting skills but they're too stuck in rigid ideological Nutsville to realize it.

Buzzers: don't think using half the money for tax breaks for people that don't need them is part of the plan this time, is it?

$253 billion is for tax cuts. So it's more than half.

Still for it Buzzy?

nwnative: Tax cuts for the wealthy. The Bush tax cuts. How many years have they been in place? And how many jobs did they create?

So lets raise taxes. That will make businesses create jobs.

TRILLIONS in WEALTHY bAILOUTS and The GOP Claim it Creates JOBS .... ?? To Handout Corporate WELFARE

When WE The PEOPLE NEED JOB Bailouts....Absolutely EVIL.....................................

Selfish GREED........!

Wow. if We the PEOPLE accept This LIE ..?

Then That's ALL YOUR WORTH.................................................

"So lets raise taxes. That will make businesses create jobs."

Well, if cutting them didn't cause job creation, and raising them won't either (according to you, that is) - what are you saying, there is no solution? Give up??

Joannasmith,

The tax cuts haven't created any jobs. Yes, let's do raise the taxes on the wealthy. At least they will be participating like the rest of us have to. If the tax cuts didn't work, exactly why do you think that will change now after more than 10 years of those cuts? You don't make any sense.

"$253 billion is for tax cuts. So it's more than half."

Sorry- just woke up. The $253 B is for the top earners, or small businesses and payroll taxes? Is that what the big protion of the original stim money went for?

The 9/9/9 plan -- Now we know you are a simpleton.

What percent of your income is spent on basic needs (like food, shelter, etc.) compared to what percent of Warren Buffet's income is spent on basic needs? Or didn't you learn about percentages? Add math to the list of failures in our education system.

There is a reason for progressive taxes, and why sales tax can only be a part of a mix of revenue generation. In fact, though inflation has remained fairly steady, sales taxes have shot up to compensate for the lack of income and property tax revenues. The increased sales tax is another burden currently inflicted on the poor and middle class that isn't being factored as a form of inflation--as well as fees being added to utility bills, rent, etc. -- All of which have to do with greed for profit, NOT the Feds printing money.

I will give Herman Cain credit for doing a better job of explaining how leaving people on their own in the stock market is not a solution in lieu Social Security. He talks about private accounts within Social Security, in which the funds are invested safely other than treasury bonds--accounts that cannot be raided by congress. I guarantee you that Perry, and even Romney lack the depth or capacity for this.

However, the 9/9/9 thing wipes all that out for me. It's not viable mathematically.

The PEOPLE ONLY BILL ..

1st of ALL

2nd...$2-$3 TRILLION...JOB'S BILL ONLY ... No POLITICIANS Fingers in We the PEOPLE'S JOB'S...!

The WEALTHY Bank's ETC.. Got $ 10 TRILLION PLUS.......

Or is Our Countries MOTTO

We the CORPORATIONS

You Chose in 2012.......................................................

Tom

So you're saying that construction work isn't a job. Being a teacher, firefighter, engineer and all the other non-jobs they support are also not necessary. Is that your claim?

No - never said that. New deal / Obama temporary stimulus infrastructure jobs are jobs, they just are not self sustaining.

When the tax payers money runs out - they fold. They create no wealth. They do not grow the economy.

In order to sustain an economy, you need demand.

In order to create demand, you need people to have money to buy things.

But those jobs are temporary. Any demand you are creating is temporary. When the funding runs out - that job and the demand that job provided is gone.

Sure .... They go out and buy a few things.

Do you think business is going to go out and make a 3 - 5 year decision to invest, to hire on temporary demand - something that is going away in a year?

My problem with your utopia has more to do with the corporate welfare factor.

My utopia doesn't have corporate welfare.

Corporate welfare, loopholes, subsidies, tax breaks are all big governments way of manipulating the markets, picking the winners and losers.

Seriously ..... do you really think Obama could get $35,000 a plate with out that kind of control and power?

Don't worry, the money will still make its way back to the rich eventually.

Of course ..... the rich and the politicians like Obama, either way - the politicians and rich are always fine.

Glad you realize that.

Now if could realize the same thing happens under liberalism except that the elite become more elite ...... there are fewer elite ..... and they are just much richer with no up and comers to worry about, no small businesses wanting to get big and take market share.

Difference is that with conservatism, the middle class and poor get a much bigger piece of the bigger pie and have the hope of even moving into the other group.

Now if you will just realize that.

OK, First Readers...

I'll say it.

Jon Huntsman...

A "Truly Different" Democrat For President.

I might even vote for him.

Who's with me?

As a business owner, tax payer, and goods buyer, I support the 9/9/9 plan. Exempt basic needs from being taxed and it is a winner, and more importantly, a job creator.

I would much rather see the Fair Tax implemented and the IRS done away with.

Alrighty, then...

Who "might" be with me...?

If the moon is in the right house...

Anyone...?

Ever...?

C'mon, guys...

Does First Read really, REALLY love Jon Huntsman...

Or not?

MB - I have a slight suspicion that Huntsman will become so frustrated with the Republicans that he runs as an independent. The plan from the start?

I just love how the teabaggers claim to get rid of career politicians, yet the one they're putting their chips down on, is the biggest one of all. Go Slick Rick. You are a scandal waiting to happen. Just make it before the nomination.

simpletonian-

Let him run as a conservative Dem.

That's where his votes are.

I'd take a close look at him.

Do YOU love Jon Huntsman as much as First Read appears to?

First Read should endorse him...as a Democratic presidential candidate, he'd give President Obama a run for his money.

Unless, of course...

First Read is lying...and, they really don't like Jon Huntsman at all.

I'll give them the benefit.

TruePatriot-445959

Fear = Conservative. Of course we already know that.

Jon Huntsman is a solid conservative--so was Bennett in Utah, a very red state.

Jon Hungtsman is NOT a conservative. Ask anyone who lived in Utah under his governorship. Had he not left the governor's mansion early and would not have been re-elected. His political career in the state would have been over. His only hope for his political career was to go to Washington. He would definitely be a good democratic nominee. I wouldn't even be a bit surprised if he doesn't change parties! LOL He is a snake in the grass. A real chameleon. He shouldn't be trusted by either party, but especially conservatives or blue dog democrats if there is such a thing anymore. Hopefully he won't get a nomination and we will dodge a bullet once again. One last thing......Bennett was NOT a conservative either.

But, snookum2...

First Read LOVES Jon Huntsman!

First Readers would certainly vote for him if he were a Democrat.

He SHOULD change parties...if only to give Democrats an acceptable alternative to President Obama in 2012.

snookum2 -- If we ask "anyone who lived in Utah," which is a very red Republican state as well as social conservative state, why would we expect them to view Huntsman or even Bennett as the solid conservatives that they are? You are making my point that Utah is so far to the right they think anything left of them is a communist. Which is ironic since they believe in the Law of Consecration. If you want a glimpse of a theocracy, spend some time in Utah.

And if anyone runs as a third-party candidate, Bachmann is more likely to do that.

Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman. Who is this guy? I already thought he was some kind of nut from his statements and comments during the latest debate. Now I know he would be another Obama since he is appologizing for his party, next he would be running around the world appologizing for all of us. Hope the first few votes get rid of him. Send him back to (where did he come from?)

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

You live in a neighborhood that is 87.89% White, Homes are 81.05% owner occupied and the median home value is $280,000.00. The median family income is $77,137.00 and since you are on line all times of the day and night you must be either a stay at home mom or a work at home person.

So in your situation it is easy to be liberal. Those who live in the rest of the world may not find it so easy.

Huntsman, if the GOP rhetoric is so scary, please change parties and run for the presidential nomination as a democrat or independent.

Huntsman was correct that the Republicans can't win by bashing science and the work of science. Huntsman is a very true conservative that thinks deeply.

Liberal dems love Huntsman, that's why clear thinking conservatives will have nothing to do with him. Who needs an Obama Light (pun intended) when they already have the misguided 'real deal'?

Nope. Just a democrat in republican clothing.

Look, he was going nowhere in politics in Utah if he were to declare himself to be a democrat. Ipso facto, he needed the republican party in order to win elections.

P.s.- it's done every day of the week.

He will not run as an independent because he does not want his political career to end- so that puts an end to your girlish dream of him appearing as the grey Knight who saves Obama's reelection campaign.

P.P.S.- he should really haw paid attention to Newt- it's OBAMA who goes around scaring seniors, telling them they will not get their checks unless he gets his way. Just plain despicable.

Which I suppose explains Obama's 35% approval rating with seniors.

Ever seen how many of them vote?

Oh, and Amy- I'll ask again: Chrysler. G.M. Ford. Who's the fourth?

only because seniors are the easiest to scare....you are right about one thing..intelligence and reality have no place in today's GOP...

Huntsman is an undercover Democrat.........This dude needs to keep it movin'....go sit down somewhere with all of that *(&^.

He is wasting his 3 supporters money. Even Al Sharpton had 10 people and left owing 100's of thousands of dollars...

Brown Looks Strong In Latest Poll

BOSTON — A new poll shows Republican Sen. Scott Brown is the most popular politician in Massachusetts,

“The percentage of people with an unfavorable opinion of him is low at 26 percent and in a Democratic state, that’s pretty surprising,” Smith said.

Also, the new survey shows 60 percent of respondents do not know or have any opinion of potential Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren.

http://www.wbur.org/2011/09/04/brown

Elizabeth Warren has the charisma of a doorknob.

The very thought of Liz Warren makes their heads explode!

...on another subject, are you David Walker, former comptroller general of the US just hangin' out on a blog?...just askin

Hey Bob, Why so mean to doorknobs?

'Elizabeth Warren has the charisma of a doorknob'

I don't live in a barn and can't imagine my home without doorknobs!...Quite a novel invention/creation!

Bob-1887910

"Elizabeth Warren has the charisma of a doorknob."

This post is not about door knobs. And I ask that you leave Palin out of this.

dangerfield -

Do I detect a little selective editing there? The first sentence in the link you provided actually reads:

"A new poll shows Republican Sen. Scott Brown is the most popular politician in Massachusetts, but his approval rating has fallen from a year ago." (emphasis is mine - it says he's dropped from 58% to 49%. Still not bad, but I'm sure he'd prefer to be going up instead of down, agreed?).

Also, the fact that 60% of those polled "do not know or have any opinion of potential Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren" could be taken a lot of ways in the polling industry. I'm sure that at some point in their careers, most politicians have been an unknown to at least 60% of the voters, if not more. When you find a poll that shows that 100% of the potential voters do know who she is and 60% of them have a negative opinion of her, then I'd agree she's in trouble. Until then, I think you're jumping the gun just a tad.

Do I detect a little selective editing there?

NAH!

A character in good ethical standing like dangerfield would never do that... lol

Warren.........ROFLMAO......

She will be toast too......That is a shame letting those far left groups "pump" her ego up into running for senate.....She will be embarrassed.

If the leading cheerleader of your campaign is that dufus from the "progressive change campaign", you are in trouble.

Elizabeth Warren is scary to GOP, the last thing they want is someone that thinks rules apply across the board.

Regulations and accountability....

But,,The GOP are GOD'S people & Would CARE About POLLUTION and GOD'S WORLD ..Right...?

Yeah, Repubs,

I can't think of anything more comical than Warren debating, Sharron Angle, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin. Warren is brilliant. These women wouldn't last two seconds with her. And she would do it without winking.

Rules Regulations....?

That's What the CORPORATE SUPREME COURT is for...............................

nwnative

GIGGIDY

nwnative -- Exactly.

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton are the true Momma Grizzlies. Palin can do all the fancy pageant walking and Bachmann can do all the crazy talking, but they are just amateur pretenders compared to these exceptional Democrat women. Warren is not only much smarter than Brown, she won't take any crap from Mr. Centerfold.

Chilled:

Nope, I'm much gooder looking, much better smarter, and more untruthfuller.

Do I detect a little selective editing there?

____________________________________________________________________________

Dept of redundancy dept. #134

All editing is SELECTIVE, that's kind of what it means. As to what I included...that would be a link to the entire story, which I always do.

You could have just copied and posted the whole article.

The story is about Sen Brown's popularity, no? The Title is what

"Brown slips in Popularity? no, that's not it...

Warren unknown but doesn't mean negative?...I don't think that's it either...

it's;

Brown Looks Strong In Latest Poll

Isn't it?

You highlighted the part you wanted to emphasize, even though that is NOT the story, but Brown's popularity as a Republican in a Democratic stronghold and the fact that his NEGATIVES are so low.

Editorializing the portion about warren is your opinion, but you make it LOOK like it's part of the actual article.

But thanks for reading and commenting...

Gooder for You........

Just for Fun...Good Day...!

dangerfield:

Credit where credit is due. "Selective editing." Very nice catch.

In 2010 The GOP ran on Jobs

Since 2010 Our poverty level has risen to a high of 15%, that is 46.2 M I L L I O N people

Great Job GOP/(sarc), you are on a roll, Elect the GOP and we will all be in poverty. Except, Kock, Fox, Murdoc, Oil Companies, Pharmacutical , and Insurances just to name a few.

The GOP in Washington, are useless.

Huntsman - the liberals choice for a republican candidate. This speaks very loudly to us conservatives.

Brianb,

Love you logic! Keep it up so Perry becomes your nominee. Can't wait until the Obama landslide in 2012.

Obama is landsliding, alright. Every time he opens his mouth he greases the skids more.

Bob-1887910

"The moonbat's adoption of Huntsman as their pet GOP candidate is humorous. It is only because they view him as not a threat to their God Obama."

Now, here's where you are WAY wrong. I, for one, could vote Republican if they would just lose the 'Me First' patina, and tell the religious right to take a hike. See, if so many are disappointed in Obama (think independents here....), many would vote for the other party if it would just lose the rad.

I think you are way off on this one.

DBO: I, for one, could vote Republican if they would just . . .

Yeah Buzz, sure. If you did that, we'd have to think about giving you your Man Card back. Until then, we'll just keep it in this lockbox.

Obama 2012 - "Really, It's Not My Fault"

JoAnna is showing how big her balls are again. I knew a person with such lack of compassion could, in no way, be a woman. At least not in the traditional sense. I will never trade in my intelligence card for your silly man card. My brain is much bigger than your balls

Here we go with the "IF's" crowd.

Most Independents lean one way or the other. I think that word is overblown. 45% will vote D, 45% will vote R, 5% or probably truly independent and the other 5% will vote for Brur Rabbit Syrup.

Some in the South Sign Up in Churches AND Vote by The PREACHER ..

Who TELLS them WHO to VOTE For................

There's GOP Democracy

Yes, and Gov. Romney's economic advisers include two men who were the head of President Bush's council of economic advisers WHILE THE SURPLUS WAS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN. When people say they are tired of business as usual, that is what they mean. How could their advice possibly be useful to Gov. Romney -- they were in charge when the country started its march from a surplus to a deficit.

G.W.BUSH==Same as Obama print Money..

Same thing..as CHINA money Manipulation..!

You GOP sheep Buy Any Lie The GOP Spin.....................................

China KNOWS == Both DEM or GOP Won't DO a DANG THING................................................

Good OLD GOP

BUY The FAKE FISCAL LIE..?

or ATTACK & FEAR & SMEAR.!

OOOOPS ........You Got It....

Great post...............................................

Google PERRY'S Numbers in TEXAS

He Won't CARRY his OWN STATE...........................................

Agreed!

Are you fricken kidding me? Any of the republicans that seemingly have a chance to win the nomination would be FAR worse than Obama. Because Obama has not been able to overcome the intransigence of republicans we are still living with the economic policies of Bush and the republicans. That is the biggest reason we are still in this mess. I don't think Obama has been strong enough to get policies that need passed through, but he is far better than any republican. I only hope people aren't ignorant to elect the same group of morons that are doing double time to crash the economy just so they can beat Obama and get power back.

Well said Lib50 :)

Change the mistake? How? By electing someone else just like George W. Bush, the guy that got us into this nose-dive right before he left? That makes all the sense of putting our a fire by spraying it with diesel.

Heaven forbid the GOP nominates someone who isn't totally partisan with a few common sense views that might actually stand a chance of uniting the country behind them and their ideas.

Obama has been president for three years now and the democrates controlled congress and they could not get anything done.I think this is Obamas mess.Less government Less taxes