How proudly the naysayers proclaim the American Jobs Act is failing while millions need work, need to look after their families and make good on their bills.

And how cunningly ALEC/Koch/Americans for Prosperity/GOP/AynRand strategists have set us up to fall down, with the goal of $$privatizing America.

95% of Republican congressionals signed on to Norquist to never raise taxes. They unfairly and unthinkably have handicapped our Congress and are holding us all hostage to taxes all the time. GOP and friends are making double sure that Congress will never be able to act on behalf of ordinary people..

Our big corporations and top 2% are sitting on $3Trillion and scheming for $more. They are not hiring. And if they don't manage to skewer more cash out of us, then crashing the economy and ending government will do. On behalf of corporations, the right wing held the country hostage 3 times already this year and risked the global economy into the bargain.

This group that once called themselves patriots are now predators and enemies of the people, the government and the USA.

President Barack Obama is fighting for the very life of this country and the American people. Time is running out.

Me-me-me-ers, you've had a good innings at our expense. Pay up the revenues!

PASS THIS BILL!

PASS THE AMERICAN JOBS ACT!

PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK!

Republicans are gloating thinking they have a referendum on President Obama. The media likes doing its job to fill their space with anything seansational.

Here's the reality check...

CNN Poll: More Americans trust Obama on economy over Republicans in Congress.

Americans don't want a Killer-in-Chief Gun-toting, Bible-thumping hypocrite or any other stooge from the right for President.

Many many people are very happy the President is taking his Jobs bill right to the tea-nuts back yard. They are eager to help with a flood of e-mails, faxes, phone calls, carrier pigeons, or whatever.

There’s no data to back this up, according to the most recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll.

That's because figures don't LIE and LIARS don't figure... ;o)

But you didn't mention the percentages. They don't trust either. You also didn't mention that the three poll out this week all show Romney at a minimum of 3 point to 8 points ahead of Obama. America definitiely wants Romney ahead of Obama because of his business and economic experience. Congress is not running against Obama, Perry or Romney are.

I'll echo (I mean cut and paste) those words:

PASS THIS BILL!

PASS THE AMERICAN JOBS ACT!

PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK!

Look at the alternative that the Teapublicans are offering us (do I hear crickets).

Their lineup of Bachmann and the seven dwarfs are offering us no solutions.

Cut taxes, trickle down, smaller government bla bla bla... Just say No (or was that saying supposed to be about drugs). Nothing new and nothing that works.

Pesident Obama has nothing to worry about, and his recent tone is finally on the right track.

Where are the Jobs, Pass this bill, again where are the Jobs, pass this bill...

Get the money for it by getting rid of the rich only tax breaks.

Great Presidential Quotes:

Reagan: "Tear down this wall!!"

Obama: "Pass this bill."

What is clear from the poll is that no different than the extreme religious right that holds on to their candidates and views in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you radical liberals are no different. This poll shows that you will hold on to your views in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that they have worked, will work and have failed. Have you seen the poverty statistics? Stop the blame game, his policies are economic failures. What the poll is also showing but they dont want to emphasize is that your radical left views are becoming more marginalized everyday. Independants are leaving and the moderates who have traditionally voted democratic in the past like the jewish vote will not back him anymore. I have always thought that Obama was going to really struggle in the electoral college swing states and that is definitely true but you wonder if the GOP candidate was someone like Romney/Huntsmann that Obama could lose in traditional blue states like NY.

Bush 1 - "Read my lips"

Bush II - "fool me once...won't get fooled again"

your point, JS?

"Have you seen the poverty statistics? Stop the blame game, his policies are economic failures.."

Yes- we've seen the statistics. And, as I asked earlier today: Do YOU honestly (key word there- 'honestly') think those poverty numbers all welled up indepedently of events and policies leading up to 2009? And if so, do you also think those dismal numbers can be reversed in, say, 2.5 years? Could the trend leading up to those numbers have begun as far back as, say, Reagan's admin?

Again- 'honestly' beign the key word here.....

"your point, JS?"

She doesn'thave one, other than she hates Obama. She posts anything and everything she can against the guy, and has been doing so since way before anyone could know what the unemployment or poverty figures would have been by now.

And, she thinks because those numbers are what they are, most Americans will abandon him in favor of more of how we got to this point in the first place- The 'myth' the story speaks of, here.

And the most famous of them all...

George W Bush - "Mission Accomplished"

And at the time, I thought he was talking about the war in Iraq. Little did we know it was about the beginning of the downfall of the middle class in America.

I personally cannot wait, this Indie is living for the day after election day.

I suspect most of you will disappear when the public hands Obama back his head. My only hope is that the mental midgets here will perform hari kari.

LOL "Pass this bill" - not like it has been presented to Congress to pass

"Pass these trade agreements" that are still collecting dust on the Pres desk

Another slush fund for Obama hacks and cronies, like Soladyne and Jeff Immelt.

Two words: HELL NO.

78% of NYC voters DO NOT APPROVE of Obama. In that bastion of liberalism, it's gotta make you think, no?

Oh right I forget thinking is for people armed with FACTS, not talking points. Silly me!

Honestly drive by observer, No I dont think they go back to the Reagan era, I think Clinton era was a great time of prosperity for everyone. I do think that the poverty numbers are not independent of the Bush era and the housing bubble. I am not an extremist that doesnt get both sides. But can you be honest and say that Obama's policies havent exacerbated the problem?

I'll have to go out on a limb here and say that I'm one of those liberals who is, at least right now, "disaffected," if by that we mean disappointed with the direction things have gone, especially on the economy, but also on other issues that are important to me, like the environment, and the war.

Health care reform is another thing altogether. A lot of political capital was wasted on that deeply flawed outcome at a time when we had other pressing problems, as we are painfully aware today.

But the operative thing is not so much that I am, like many liberals, disaffected. It's that I'm disaffected from the left. Which means, in practical terms, that there is no way in Hades that I will ever vote for one of the current crop of Republican candidates, nor do I see a viable Republican candidate out there who is even marginally more acceptable to me. Add to that the fact that there simply are no viable third party candidates out there, and I'm not a person who's likely to be suckered to vote for Ralph Nader if it means that any of the Republican candidates could win.

The stakes are simply too high.

So, when Republicans put up candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, there is no comfort to take in disaffection by liberals with the President, even if it was significant.

All in all, disaffected or not, liberals like me will vote for the President. I'm just sorry he has not been listening to us as much as I would have liked, and delusional or not, I believe that it is this failure to listen -- and a propensity to compromise rather than fight for what is right -- that has brought us down the wrong path so far that I am worried that we cannot recover any reasonable measure of what we once were.

This is not at all how I saw these years unfolding, so yes, I do have to say I'm disappointed.

Well, let's see.....the right-wing regulars who come here to trash President Obama on a daily basis have been claiming for at least the last two years that his entire base is down to just the 14 or so "mental midgets" who also post here regularly.

Kind of makes you wonder if that were actually the case, why they would still feel so compelled to keep up the attack. They've got the election in the bag, right? 2012 is going to make 2010 look like a day at the beach, right?

Kind of makes you wonder what they're so afraid of.

Kind of makes me want to come on here and tell the world that I'm neither disapproving, disaffected, discouraged, disheartened, or dis-anything else - well, except maybe thoroughly disgusted with the way these people are so gleefully, boastfully willing to destroy their fellow Americans in their efforts to take this President down.

Which kind of makes me just that much more determined to stop them.

Obama/Biden 2012.

Oh I got one:

What do Bob Turner, Scott Brown and Mark Amodei have in commen?

THEY ALL RAN AGAINST OBAMA AND HIS POLICIES AND WON!! One race in 09 and two in 11...

Again, makes you think, no?

Which kind of makes me just that much more determined to stop them.

You sure hit the nail on the head JoAnne!

BRAVO!

"Kind of makes me want to come on here and tell the world that I'm neither disapproving, disaffected, discouraged, disheartened, or dis-anything else - well, except maybe thoroughly disgusted with the way these people are so gleefully, boastfully willing to destroy their fellow Americans in their efforts to take this President down."

Geee isn't that funny I FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT GW BUSH

If I draw you a map, could you find your elbow? The president is A DISASTER that's the trust and you need to get used to it. You can fool people once, but not twice. Indies won't make that mistake again.

NEWS FLASH: The "fringes" and or base of a party do not win elections. Indies voters do that.

right out of the "SECRET TREEHOUSE PLAYBOOK"

Spout garbage

Wait

Atta boy it.

More transparent than the Pres and his admin.

"But can you be honest and say that Obama's policies havent exacerbated the problem?"

Because the fact is, President Obama's policies have improved our situation. All four American Automobile companies are profitable again for the first time since 2004, thanks to the bailouts.

The stimulus, which the Democratic House passed and the President signed, created 1.4 to 3.3 million jobs in the second quarter of 2010 alone.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-12/politics/truth.squad.stimulus.jobs_1_zero-jobs-stimulus-million-jobs?_s=PM:POLITICS

The AJA isn't finding a lot of love with many Democratic legislators either...

What's up with that?

________________________________________________________________________________

Hill Dems pick apart Obama jobs plan

President Barack Obama’s new jobs plan is hitting some unexpected turbulence in the halls of Congress: lawmakers from his own party.

“Terrible,” Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) told POLITICO when asked about the president’s ideas for how to pay for the $450 billion price tag.

"That offset is not going to fly, and he should know that,” said Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu from the energy-producing Louisiana, referring to Obama’s elimination of oil and gas subsidies.

“I think the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.),

“It’s hard to have an opinion on something you don’t think is going to be the final product,” said Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson,

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63456.html#ixzz1XwqiTVzq

What a stupid article!

Of course the sheep on the left wont leave him completely. But the fact that some of them are should scare him plenty. After all its independents that decide elections and if you add in the small number of Democrats who are jumping ship he should be very concerned. But I see you libs walking the same path that you took during the mid terms. Ignore all the signs and think the rest of the country shares your narrow minded viewpoints. Well how did that work for you in 2010?

Or last night in NY for that matter?

And imagine that huh Dangerfield? I personally don't think all Democrats are as dumb as this president wants them to be.

Of course this is why I blog on The Atlantic. I can have an intelligent debate with liberals and it does not devolve into "you're a hater" "you're a racist" "you just want him to fail"

Ask any moderate Demos, Obamabot's truly make them ill. Although I'm guessing the usual suspects will attribute it to them losing their paperback copies of Obama's speeches.

Amy B: Because the fact is, President Obama's policies have improved our situation.

This just keeps getting funnier.

Uh, Amy? Four?

GM and Chrysler took the money and ran- leaving the taxpayers on the hook for billions they will never repay because the debt got wiped out in the bankruptcy.

Ford turned down the funds, (did not like the strings), and got profitable ON THEIR OWN, because they reorganized their business model.

So, tell me, who the heck is the fourth company? AMC?

Which kind of makes me just that much more determined to stop them.

JoAnne in PA that sounds so novel....good luck with all that Sweetie. There's only one problem with your logic....

As long as Mr. Obama stays HIS course, NOTHING you, anyone on FR, or the other liberals do will change the fact that my mailman could beat him next year. The American public bit into his sale pitch in '08 and his INEXPERIENCE as a leader have floated to the top (Real Executive Experience).

The American people are not that stupid.......well, most anyway (some are still clinging to Mr. Obama's "Hope-N-Change"). He's One-N-Done.

He pissed off the Jews with the whole Israel thingy......you JUST DON'T do that in the United States....just ask Mel...lol....the 75% Jewish vote he enjoyed in '08 is gone. All he has now is the 95% black vote and a few clingers.

Lean Forward! (for socialism) Idiots

Uh, Amy? Four?

Let it go, she's on a roll.

No Joe,

You left out the fact that Government Motors stock price is down to $22 per share. I hope those who bought in sold when it hit 33 because you may never see that again. Sorry but the Chevy Volt isn't going to be the white night and when the money dries up they will be right back where they were before.

This is the latest myth to be debunked!

Also, too...

Why does Joe Scarborough and others of his ilk aseert that the poverty figures will really hurt the President because for all intents and purposes he should have done something about it by now.

Are you sh$tting me?

Poverty has been around since the dawn of civilzation and Obama was supposed to eradicate it in 30 months.

Why do Republicans hate the idea of a strong American Automotive Industry? They were hoping the car companies would go bankrupt. They hate to hear that under President Obama's policies, Chrysler, GM and Ford are roaring back.

http://www.680news.com/business/article/220473--chrysler-joins-gm-ford-by-turning-a-profit-first-time-since-2004-that-all-3-are-in-the-black

General Motors

Ford

Chrysler

NASCAR

Yep, that's four alright.

Amy B: Why do Republicans hate the idea of a strong American Automotive Industry?

Whose against it? Toyota (Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia), BMW (South Carolina), Mercedes (Alabama) and Honda (Ohio, Indiana) are doing just fine manufacturing their cars in America. No one had to bail them out.

And what's so special about a company going bankrupt that the government has to bail them out? Happens all the time in industry.Telecomms, textile plants, consumer product companies, and many small businesses don't get bailed out by the government. They go through bankruptcy like any other failed company would do.

Amy B: Chrysler, GM and Ford are roaring back

GM stock is worth $22/share. Down from $33 a share when GM went public. Ford did not take any bailout. Chyrsler is now owned by a foreign company, Fiat. GM also screwed over their creditors, bond holders, and vendors out the money they owed them. It's not hard to fix the balance sheet if you don't go through bankruptcy court to do so.

Man, JoAnnaSmith you really don't get the concept of people depending on the American Automotive Industry for their jobs, do you? You don't get the concept of related industries employing thousands of Americans. Who do you think will shop at Walmart if major employers go bankrupt? Think, lady, think!

Man, JoAnnaSmith you really don't get the concept of people depending on the American Automotive Industry for their jobs, do you? You don't get the concept of related industries employing thousands of Americans. Who do you think will shop at Walmart if major employers go bankrupt?

So Amy, what exactly is so special about GM that it got the government bailout, and other companies must play by the rules and go through bankrupcy to reorganize? A large telecomm company goes under, that employs a lot of people, you don't see the government step in. Bank of America is laying off 30,000 people, don't see you getting too upset over those jobs. But all of sudden you're all worked up over GM, which has a small fraction of the car manufacturing business in the country, and they get bailed out.

Why is that Amy?

Maybe it's for the same reason the state government jobs got bailed out in 2009 by the feds. You know, it's not just jobs, but the kind of jobs, right Amy? Union jobs. Pays to have friends in high places I guess.

Think, lady, think!

You first Amy. There's a first time for everyone.

lol, Dom.

Visit Firedoglake.

Then...

Describe the "myth"...in terms of what you've just experienced.

Obama is actually a moderate Republican without all the negative social agenda and anti-constitutional baloney. Everytime the RePOOPlicans debate, Obama is the clear winner because he is the only canidate running who looks like a rational, educated, and reasoning person who actually cares about the American people!

Keep up the nutty conservation and bizaar accusations RePOOPlicans, your making our day. Apparently they have no clue how self centered, embarassingly stupid, and thoughtless they look to voters.

The low-information conservatives, gagh -- I think we should let them secede from the Union.

The FACT is we are still operating under the Bush tax cuts, deregulation, trade agreements, etc. Add to that the Grand Obstructionist Party blocking all jobs bills, and union-busting, and cuts in important programs and services, and of course this entire decade has sucked.

The only saving grace was the small "stimulus" that the president said needed to be followed by more stimulus--a long time ago he and economists said this. It is the only reason unemployment isn't higher right now.

The increasing poverty levels are completely due to the decade of "trickle-down" voodoo economics. It's not due to the president's policies, because there never has been an Obama economy. It's the same friggin' Teapublican poicies-- get it? Throw the Teapublican obstructionist losers out!

JoannaSmith

Bank of America is laying off 30,000 people

But. JoannASmith, we already bailed out Bank of America and eight other banks. I'm sad they are laying off people, but the banking industry itself is not in any danger of disappearing from the American landscape.

The money used to bailout GM and Chrysler saved a major American Industry and related jobs. That's a GOOD thing, unless you are just looking to make partisan shots.

JoAnna, Amy is right.

The auto industry, and GM in particular, may not seem such a big deal to you. But the auto industry doesn't just produce cars. It also employs those in the supplier and peripheral industries. Gas and oil, plastics, rubber, glass, air conditioning, steel, textiles, and many, many more.

And that doesn't include the aftermarket industry. Their annual trade show in Las Vegas is one of the largest in the country.

So Amy is also right in exhorting you to think. Rather than just engage in the criticism and naysaying you usually exhibit.

fielden - You're saying the demand for autos would have gone down if GM went out of business. Do you have any proof of that? Because only if demand went down would the peripheral businesses had a problem. The gap created in the market without a GM would have been filled by other auto companies, and better run companies, who would have increased their market share and made use of the peripheral businesses you mention.

So unless you have proof the demand would have declined, Amy is wrong.

Amy: But. JoannASmith, we already bailed out Bank of America and eight other banks. I'm sad they are laying off people, but the banking industry itself is not in any danger of disappearing from the American landscape.

Neither was the auto industry. You have offered no proof that the auto industry would have collapsed if GM was allowed to fail. America would have went along just fine without GM. The other auto manufactures would have increased their market share and employed the people GM once had. The GM workers would be working for Ford or Honda or Toyota or other auto manufactures.

Sorry Amy. Until you offer proof that demand for the product would have declined without GM, you have no argument.

All of that discussion of the auto industry was interesting, but actually, off target. The auto industry, and all of the peripherals would have survived GM and Chrysler filing for bankruptcy, and emerging as smaller, potentially profitable firms. That's what happens in bankruptcy, especially when the firms in question have assets that are defined, and are of value to someone else. Would there have been a reduction in jobs, of course, but the companies that emerged from a "normal" bankruptcy process would have been nothing like the firms that entered into the bankruptcy. Most likely, the UAW would have been decimated, the bondholders would have recovered something, and the shareholders would have been wiped out, again, a normal process in bankruptcy.

rickster69, et al -- Are you people serious? Are you not aware of changing demographics? (Harlem was once high society). In fact, many of these seats are likely to be gone soon due to redistricting.

The fact is Teapublicans will not win the black, Hispanic, gay, or young voters, nor the majority of female voters. If Teapublicans face a supreme opponent, as Scott Brown will now face Elizabeth Warren, we'll see how that goes. But most of all, if the Democrats do a good job of exposing their Teapublican opponent for wanting to privatize Medicare as was done in NY 26th, the Dems will win.

Even Teapublicans say their presidential field of candidates is "unsatisfactory." If President Obama can continue to expose the Grand Obstructionist Party in their own backyards, the poor Bush economy we are still suffering under could well backfire on these Haters of the American workers.

This shows you how bad off the Repub/TP are. It's just like brain wash. If you repeat it enough times people will believe it. The stupid people will anyway. Obama is fine and his supporters know it. The only way they can try to bring him down at this point is to keep repeating their mantra over and over and over. It's all B.S. and they can bring on all the goofy challengers they can manage to come up with but it won't work. It's amazing to me that out of all of their political pool, all they can come up with are a bunch of freaks. Amazing.

This is a simple tactic called rope-a-dope. Ali used it against Foreman in Zaire, 1974. He laid on the ropes and let the big dummy punch himself out until he was easily knocked out in the 8th round. No one, not even friendlies, gave Ali a chance at winning or even possibly surviving. Yet he did and in the process made Foreman look stupid. I can see similarities here. Romney is shallow and will fold in the heat of the campaign. Bachmann is a joke with a lunatic fringe following and Perry is a scandal waiting to happen. A good thing could come out of this analogy. George Foreman came back years later, mellowed out, and became bigger than ever.

Hmmm...

I saw that fight, Tony.

Classic.

But, after the 2008 election, wasn't it the GOP that was on the ropes...taking endless blows from newly elected President Obama, and the overwhelming Congressional Democratic majorities?

Your analogy works, alright...just not in the way you intended.

Anyway...

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

rickster69 -- There you go again, bub. You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts. The only Dem who is a Teapublican is Perry.

This from the Pew Research Center:

But the precise nature of the Tea Party has been less clear. Is it solely a movement to reduce the size of government and cut taxes, as its name -- some people refer to it as the Taxed Enough Already party -- implies? Or do its supporters share a broader set of conservative positions on social as well as economic issues? Does the movement draw support across the religious spectrum? Or has the religious right "taken over" the Tea Party, as some commentators have suggested?¹

A new analysis by the Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life finds that Tea Party supporters tend to have conservative opinions not just about economic matters, but also about social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In addition, they are much more likely than registered voters as a whole to say that their religion is the most important factor in determining their opinions on these social issues.² And they draw disproportionate support from the ranks of white evangelical Protestants.

This from the American Sociological Association:

The analysis shows that most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party. But support for the Tea Party is not synonymous with support for the religious right.

Tea party voters are more likely to fear change and harbor negative attitudes toward immigrants, according to a study presented Monday at the American Sociological Association's annual conference in Las Vegas.

The study, called "Cultures of the Tea Party," also claims voters who felt favorably toward the tea party movement valued deference to authority and libertarianism. The report concludes that the tea party movement is not a new political phenomenon, but rather "is best understood as a new cultural expression of the late-20th-century Republican Party."

This from a Harvard/Notre Dame study:

"Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today.

All the studies conclude that the Tea Party is and always has been a far-right minority in the Republican Party who want more religion, not just less government, and who are a bunch of bigots. Teabaggers are NOT progressive.

Thanks for reminding us of organized labor and identifying with the Dems to protect such basic rights, along with other liberties and the social contract.

But, after the 2008 election, wasn't it the GOP that was on the ropes..

Yes, but that was because they had no candidates worth a salt. Looks like deja vu all over again. Ali also had his share of creampuffs too. Chuck Wepner comes to mind. And he stepped on his foot, so don't go down the "he knocked him down" road.

Gee, deep into this thread the Conservatives are desperate to talk about ANYTHING other than the FACT that the conventional wisdom is wrong for about the umpteenth time. That's because Drudge rules the world of the beltway media more than any other place. The isolation for which Washington is famous is deeply entrenched into the media as well.

Remember what Karl Rove said? "You have polls, I have THE polls." That was right before Barack Obama fooled the conventional wisdom by turning what was supposed to be a close election into a landslide.

Yes, wasn't the "spin" interesting after the unprecedented losses in 2010? Thank goodness that had nothing to do with the administration's performance, and it could have been even worse, right?

How silly to "spin" losing a district that was democratic for 90 years, that the DNCC and DNSC poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into and sent me 15 emails begging me to help get out the vote. It doesn't affect the democrats ability to compete in the 2012 races just because they will be pumping money into races that have traditionally been walkovers, siphoning funds from other campaigns. That has nothing to do with the dissatisfaction and disaffection from this administration.

These "spinners" should just look at the clear-eyed reality of the stunning electoral success and popularity of the Obama administration and prepare for even more "success" in 2012.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/14/gop_wins_in_ny_house_race_seen_as_obama_rebuke_111329.html

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/09/13/obama_special_election

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/for-democrats-its-2010-all-over-again/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/14/new_york_9_and_the_democratic_coalition_111328.html

Heard on the news this morning that the turnout in NY was very low. It was the winner that declared that this was a rebuke on Obama.

I live in NY and posted several links right above yours...

voter frustration with Obama put Weprin in the unlikely spot of playing defense. A Siena Poll released Friday found just 43 percent of likely voters approved of the president's job performance, while 54 percent said they disapproved. Among independents, just 29 percent said they approved of Obama's job performance.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/14/gop_wins_in_ny_house_race_seen_as_obama_rebuke_111329.html

People won't be voting for a impression or rhetoric in 2012. They will be voting on results.

Amy B: I cannot believe anyone would seriously consider voting against Obama's re-election.

That is the funniest thing I've ever seen written on this board.

People won't be voting for a impression or rhetoric in 2012. They will be voting on results.

What good results have the Republican-Tea Potty given us?

The "base" sire showed their love in NY9 last night, did they not?

Look, the hardcore Obama worshippers still stand behind him- all 20-odd percent of them. The problem is, they are a tiny little minority of the electorate.

Did I mention 20 odd percent?

So, 70% of that 20 percent are still true believers. Yippee! They are the people who make up the 26% who believe Obama is doing a great job on the economy.

In other words, they are delusional.

So, let's do a little third grade math, and see how many delusional types are standing behind Obama's failures. I'll make it really easy-

If we take a pool of one thousand people, and 20% are liberals, that's 200 people.

Of those two hundred, if 70% think Obama is doing a great job- that's 140 people.

Out of a thousand.

Sound like any kind of a majority to you?

no joe, no bo, nj

The "base" sire showed their love in NY9 last night, did they not?

To be completely honest, Joanna, that vote last night was more about weiner than Obama, i'm living in that district and last night and the people i talked to were more upset about wiener and his nasty habits than Obama and did not like the candidate that was running.

to again be completely honest the GOP field will do more to help obama get re-elected than Obama, the GOp debates are a telling sign, they are all over the place trying to please the tea party. that wil sink them.

by the way, i love all those jobs the GOp promised they would create back in november, instead of creating job, thanks to the tea party we are going in the other direction. before the GOP took over congress we were doing better than we are now.

that will be the deciding factor.

Yep here we go the new Republican mandate in one district means Obama is toast, might as well fold up the tent and go home, they win. Well that last I looked before that happens there has to be an election and this is still some time off. Plenty of time for the repug to screw up, continue to screw the people. lie about everything (fox noise), spew more phoney religious right crap and take more freedoms from the people just as they have since 2001 all for our protection, I think I have heard that somewhere before. I for one do not want the repug forms of protection like the Patriot Act, I want freedoms that allow choice not condemnations over choice. Equal rights for every citizen not just the ones they approve of or past their test of humanity. I want their religion out of government and my home. I have my own thank you. I do not need to be told how to believe or what to believe in nor whom. That is what Dictators do, eliminate the competion as the repugs are trying to do with employee bargining rights and support for democrates, garnering all corporate support for their party so we can be ruled by their corporate owners and control your believes. Listen to the GOP candidates and what they are saying. You have to believe as they do or you are stupid, nothing, you have no right to an opinion. Just read the post on this list by the right and you hear it in every comment. You on the left are stupid, loosers, your beliefs and rights are nothing to them. Voting for Obama may not bring perfection as no one is perfect unless your a repug, but the choice is always the lesser of two evils in our system and the dems have that on their side. I do not trust repugs or Tpugs in any form or manner just from what I have read and heard from them directly or seen demonstrated once they have power. They will destroy this country its people and freedoms all for corporate greed. It can not be allowed to happen ever. Even if we elect a less than perfect human to the office of President it can not be a repug or Tpug in their current form as they are for the destruction of this country for their own benefit.

Where in the district do you live Jeff?

Breezy Point? Howard Beach? Rockaway? To be completely honest, as my friends are political operatives with the democratic club, your analysis is the exact opposite of what they and the local media all agree was a repudiation of the Presidents economic and especially Israel policies. Weiner backlash (lol) would be third on the list. Even more telling was the fact that the losing candidate did everything in his power to separate himself from the President and the administration in his campaign as the president was seen as a NEGATIVE for the district.

So, I'm not doubting you, jeff, but I am wondering exactly where "in that district" you actually live and who the heck you've been talking to...and not talking to.

In just two and a half short years, Obama has added four trillion to the debt.

The civilian labor force is down to 1983 levels, while the number of unemployed people has climbed to almost 15 million.

The highest level of poverty ever- in the 52 years it's been tracked- is reported by the Census bureau.

Ignoring warnings that the Middle East and North Africa could erupt due to food shortages has cost us allies in the region. Egypt, in particular, is a disaster that gets worse on a daily basis. All Obama had to do was to ship grain, corn, and soybeans from our reserves to that region. That's all he had to do, after he was warned about this in January, 2010.

Instead, he arranged a tee time.

The man is an epic disaster, who will not be reelected.

Obama shelved in 2012.

My wish for the President is to give him a Democratc House in 2012, so he can have a real partner in getting this country back to work, saving Social Security, and ending the wars.

You mean in 2009 when he

a) Spent $850B on a stimulus that did not create permanent jobs (not ones that ended when the borrowed money ran out)

b) Cut Social Security tax by 4%

c) Escalated the war in Afghanistan

TtS: Voting for Obama may not bring perfection as no one is perfect unless your a repug, but the choice is always the lesser of two evils in our system and the dems have that on their side.

This is what Obama has become in 3 years. He's gone from a man that said "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.", to now being the lesser of of two evils.

This time next year he'll be the greater of two evils.

No Jo, you have your numbers just a little bit off. What you are saying is that we are at this stage totally due to Obama, How much of the 4 Trillion was already set up in the budgets from the previous admin. You do know that Bush did not include in his budgets the cost of both wars, Obama put those number is his as a policy of open government. You are aware of this right. The disaster we are going through now is from 8 years of repug rule. You can not correct the errors of 8 years in two or maybe even 12 years. And certainly not without some cooperations from both parties which he has not had from the begining even before he had a chance to do anything. From the day of his election the repugs made it clear to everyone they were not going to work with this president and my question is WHY, what justification does the right use for this agenda. Your statements are full of dislike and contempt or someone you do not even know or even understand. Nor do you even care to understand you just want to dislike him. It is the repugs policy that has put us here not his. He is not perfect nor a god, he does not get everything right, but at least he is trying unlike the repugs.

You do know that Bush did not include in his budgets the cost of both wars,

But the cost of both wars are accounted for in the debt because the money had to come from somewhere. All Bush did was game the appropriations process by using supplementals. The actual (borrowed) money is still included in the debt that Bush accumulated.

dangerfield

Where in the district do you live Jeff?

Breezy Point? Howard Beach? Rockaway?

its i think called sheepshead bay, on avenue U and Conley Island blvd. all i know is the guy who lost last night was at the B train passing out flyers at 6pm 1 hour before the polls closed, and he did not look happy.

I moved here a month ago to take a job as a plumbing estimator, the wages are much better than in denver co. I'm making 1/3 more

TtS: No Jo, you have your numbers just a little bit off. What you are saying is that we are at this stage totally due to Obama, How much of the 4 Trillion was already set up in the budgets from the previous admin.

This is interesting that you bring this up TtS, because during the debt debate Obama complained that he's just paying for a previous congresses spending. But isn't that exactly what Obama is doing now by offering his latest half trillion dollar spending spree? Obama wants to spend the money now, and have some other Congress pay for it later. And apparently in all this it's lost on you that Obama is doing the same thing. So lets be a little careful when pointing the finger at other administrations spending when Obama is playing the exact same game today.

Amen, Amy. The "disaffected base" myth has been created by pundits who must have something to say in today's 24/7 media environment. As I said elsewhere, we do need to be sure that the folks in the middle hear our message and turn out to vote, so there is hard work ahead for us all.

And sorry to say, but it's going to cost you 1/3 more to live here...

You have the "Sheepshead Bay" part right, but...Coney Island BOULEVARD!....hahaha...it's avenue Jeff, Coney Island AVENUE.

So, being a new arrival, you don't really know the district or the people in it. Weprin didn't even live in the district (another brilliant miscalculation!) himself...

My friend was taking cam pics of republican operatives removing Weprin signs from houses and lawns in Far Rockaway when he discovered Weprin operatives doing the same thing...

Good luck with the new job.

dangerfield

And sorry to say, but it's going to cost you 1/3 more to live here...

You have the "Sheepshead Bay" part right, but...Coney Island BOULEVARD!....hahaha...it's avenue Jeff, Coney Island AVENUE.

I told you i just got there!! maybe i was talking to the Non Jewish folks

you would not believe this but its cheaper than living in denver, here i don't need my car so i left it with my girlfriend in chicago, i take the subway every where, food is cheaper going to the different markets, the only thing that is crazy are cigaretts and I'm in the process of quitting, 12 buck a pack, in dupage county IL they are 5 bucks. that crazy. i'm renting a room that has all the conviences of home that is cheaper than in denver, and the best part new york is alot like chicago, culture and many different ethnitces and construction has not been hit hard like in chicago.

i love it here, its just alittle hard getting use to all the trash on the sidewalks, chicago has alleys

thanks for the words of encourgement,

JAS, much of the current spending was approved by the previous admin. such as Tarp money, the houseing market and economy were in freefall before Obama was elected that can not be argued rationally. He started his admin with banks and companies falling left and right, no pun intended. The train had left the station and could not be stopped easily. As we should all know the President does not spend money only congress can do that so when we say the bush admin that includes the senate and congress since they approve all spending which they did for 8 years two wars and many tax cuts so the wars were not paid for, the spending was mishandled with no oversight and abuse by contractors such as KBR and their parent company Halliburton, so many mistakes were made. Now regardless we are were we are and we have to get out of it sooner that later. It is also important how we get out of it. I can tell you from where I sit Government since Obama was elected has become much more attentive on how our money is spent and how much, which is being reduced today much more so than with the Bush admin. We can not count the Tarp money against Obama as that was the previous admin. Obama did spend 800billon on a stimulus package which did regardless of the unwilling to admit create jobs and slow the decline, stop it no, make a big improvement no, but it did slow it. It was not big enough to stop the train and all the experts stated as much. I do not believe for one second that you are happy with all the people being unemployed, loosing their homes and families. That issue must be fixed soon. How do we do it. we have already given companies tax breaks which did not stimulate hireing. Companies simply but that money in the bank. With the lowest taxes in 30 years it has not created jobs. You can not cut taxes (reduce your income) and then spend more money as the bush admin did with two wars and not expect a large debt. So how do we fix it. Yes cut spending were you can but to much and you cut jobs further so you are still not fixing the issue. Can you agree that if you have more people working that more money will be collected in taxes. So we have to get people working, how do we do that. By increasing demand on products, how do we do that, by giving people money to spend by giving them jobs. It is called circle economics or better know as the chicken and the egg. So how do we get people back to work when there is no demand for products. You do it by building demand. Give, yes give people jobs and the best way is to repair our internal systems which are falling apart, water, bridges, highways, electrical grid, the things we need to survive at this time. Corporations are not going to spend the money to do it so who is left. The government, yes it means we have to spend more money but we should get a return on that money with improved roadways, better water systems and people with money demanding more products which means other companies will need to hire more people to build those products as long as we make them here and not in China. It will not make it all better tomorrow, it may be 10years down the road before we get back to where we were but we will get their. And as it improves we cut spending that does not slow the recovery. So we increase the countries income and cut its spending. Before long you have a balanced budget, people employed and companies still making money. Lets not cut our nose off to spite our face in the process. Is Obama perfect of course not, not any more than you are. He does have the one thing the republicans do not though. The ability to say Yes, if all you say is no then nothing will improve.

you would not believe this but its cheaper than living in denver,

NO, I wouldn't and with good reason...

___________________________________________

If you make $40,000.00 in Denver...

Comparable salary in
New York (Brooklyn), NY
$70,417

If you move from Denver, CO to New York (Brooklyn), NY....
Groceries will cost:
29%
more

Housing will cost:
196%
more

Utilities will cost:
62%
more

Transportation will cost:
8%
more

Healthcare will cost:
5%
more

http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html

So I wish you the best of luck but the truth is that it's almost TWICE as expensive to live here...

dangerfield

In denver i was making 60k, here I'm making 90k

my housing cost went down 67.00 per week in denver i was paying 1000 per month for a studio here i rent a room for 660 per month.

my food cost went down because of the different types of food markets, here you have many different options, in denver it was king schoops and nothing else. although i wish they has walmart

i don't pay utilities its included in my room rent.

the trans is cheaper, i don't need a car and the subways are only 2.25 to get to work and the same to get home, i work in greenspoint.

my heath care with my company is free for me and 60 per week for my son. in denver it was 80 per week for me alone.

the biggie is taxs, i'm not paying state tax because i use my illinois address as my home so they can't take state tax out.

TtS: JAS . . . . . .

Ahh, the breeze from all your hand waving is refreshing.

TiS: I can tell you from where I sit Government since Obama was elected has become much more attentive on how our money is spent and how much, which is being reduced today much more so than with the Bush admin.

You'll have to explain where your sitting because it was Obama that said he'd halve the deficit in his first (and last) term in office. $1.3 trillion dollar deficits for FY2011 TtS. Doesn't sound like Obama is taking that great of care of the countries money. And now he wants a half trillion more, and somehow that makes sense to some people.

TtS: Can you agree that if you have more people working that more money will be collected in taxes. So we have to get people working, how do we do that. By increasing demand on products, how do we do that, by giving people money to spend by giving them jobs. It is called circle economics . .

No, that's Keynesian economics. A couple of the side affects of such an economic model are high unemployment and high debt. See the light yet TtS? No question we have to "get people working", but that's not up to the government, they can only make the economic environment more hospitable to business. How do they think they've done so far TtS?

Joannasmith,

Your inability to answer the question of where are the jobs the Rich have created from those more than 10 years of Bush tax cuts is the funniest yet disgusting thing I have heard on this board. Why don't one of you or your people, just one of you, show all of us Newsvine people the jobs that have been produced by the Bush tax cuts. You refuse to answer that because you can't. Yet, you go on and on about giving them more tax cuts. Shameful.

Jeff-
From the Money calculator thing on CNN...

Your Results
60k in Denver you would need...

Comparable salary in
New York (Brooklyn), NY
$105,625

So I hope that you continue to find our great city to be a bargain in every sense of the word...:)

Better yet, defeat Obama in November 2012 and save all of us!

Sure Tony. We'll be saved by all those jobs created from more than 10 years of Bush tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. By the way, where are those jobs?

By the way, where are those jobs?

Across the Pacific.

"Independents" aka, people who wake up the day after an election and say "oops! forgot to vote again! I wonder who won - oh, heck, I don't really care."

According to Dick Morris' research, the undecided voters brake 85% for the challenger on election day. They have for the last 40 years. He states that an incumbent President need to be at or above 50% job approval if he is to be re-elected.

Ray W.:

If your contention that fewer than one in four voters is liberal, why do you and your brethren constantly complain about their OVERWHELMING influence on every damned thing under the sun? Less than 25%? That's not even a respectable minority.

How does this minority control the media, the debt, the degradation of our ethics, the destruction of the family unit, the failure of schools, and any other failures you may conjure up? Are they simply much, much, much smarter than their conservative counterparts? Do they somehow manage to dupe conservatives at every turn?

Come on! You just can't have it both ways.

It's called self selection.

It's no surprise that engineering and other mathematic fields are dominated by those who love math.

It's not surprising that the performing arts are dominated by those who are extroverted and love attention.

It is similarly not surprising that media is dominated by those who love politics- and are liberal in their thinking.

There is plenty of polling to support Ray's contention. Perhaps you should look it up.

no joe:

Let's just continue with your nonsense.

It's VERY surprising that government is NOT dominated by conservatives. They ALWAYS turn out to vote. And of course, there's a lot more of them. After all, fewer than one in four voters are liberal.

Like I said, you can't have it both ways.

It is not me saying it. Gallup in a 2008 poll after the election said that 24% of Americans identified themselves as Liberal or Progressive, 43% identified themselves as conservative with the remaining saying neither of independent. To win re-election, Democrats need over 70% of independent as Obama received in 2008 or a very low Republican turn-out as in 2008. Since the Republican base seems very energized, a 33% margin of independents will not come close. The NY based media has always been liberal leaning

Do you even remember the campaigns of 2006 and 2008?

Democrats campaigned on tighter spending, higher ethics, and deficit reduction.

Obama, in 2008, claimed he would cut the deficit in half his second year in office- a deficit that was, at the time, projected to be under $200billion.

Politicians of both parties understand that, to win elections, they must campaign as fiscal conservatives. Once in office, all bets are off. It takes a tsunami like last year before some of them get the message.

Too bad Obama and the rest of his dwindling liberal ranks seem to be having difficulty comprehending it.

Nobody is buying Porkulous Two as a jobs program- they see it for what it is, another big spending program from a president addicted to spending other people's money.

You might recall that people were against the first stimulous program- by wide majorities. Obama doesn't, but you might.

This one is polling just as badly. Say what you will, but this country was set up so that, if elected officials legislated against the will of the governed, the governed had a chance to show their displeasure where it counts.

At the polls.

They did in 2009- in my state, and in Virginia. They did when they awarded Brown Kennedy's seat. They did last November. They did last night.

They will in November 2012.

Ray, how are you so sure that liberal equates directly to Democrat? Or that conservative relates directly to Republican? Or that independents are totally non-partisan?

No Joe and Ray, you both choose to ignore the fact that whatever failures Obama has had, a very large factor has been the outright refusal of the Republicans in Congress, whether in the majority or the minority, to work with Obama. They have stated repeatedly that their primary mission is to make him fail.

Therefore, at least part of the reason for Obama's failures is on the hands of the Republican Congress.

You on the right can be smug and smirk all you want. You have sacrificed the country for your own selfish partisan ends.

Ray W.:

You have made the point I have been trying again and again to get across. These people are self-identified - whether liberal, conservative, and/or independent.

In virtually all cases, the labels are worthless. To a self-identified conservative, a liberal is everything the "conservative" doesn't like. To a self-identified liberal, a conservative is everything the "liberal" doesn't like. The independent is the guy who votes for the candidate who promises him the most personal benefit for the least personal cost.

The label game is a joke. The Bush Administration was no more a conservative administration, than the Obama administration is a liberal administration. Bush took over the government while it was bringing in excellent revenues, and he decided the answer to this "problem" was to spend the money. When Obama took over the economy was in a monstrous crash, and he decided the answer to this problem was to spend money we didn't have.

I contend President Bush was wrong and President Obama is right. If and when the economy once again generates revenues in excess of expenditures, whoever is President should begin retiring the debt. That, by the way, is the foundation of Keynesian Economics.

The only label that should matter is "American". This liberal, conservative, independent, Republican, Democrat crap is just that - crap. I'm sick of ideology. Both right and left continue to hold to the false notion that what worked in the past will work in the future. That's simply not true any longer. The fiction of finite economic borders has been completely exposed by international commerce.

Someone has to offer us a future based on reality, not on wishful thinking based on fantasy.

It's VERY surprising that government is NOT dominated by conservatives. They ALWAYS turn out to vote. And of course, there's a lot more of them. After all, fewer than one in four voters are liberal.

I thought it was.

Exhibit 1. The stimulus was not big enough and was limited in size by the republicans. But this was the bill that came out of a Democratic house that had a huge majority, except we are told the majority was made up of Blue-Dog Democrats.

Exhibit 2. Somehow, by being in the minority in both houses, Republicans forced the Democrats to include an individual mandate in Health care Reform. Could it be that conservatives in the democratic party actually did this, and were so strong that they forced the President to give up on a public option.

So, fielden- I imagined Stimulous I? HCR was just a bad dream? That kinetic military action in Libya?

Please.

There's no such thing as a hoodoo, so, whether republicans had bad thoughts about these programs or not, they still passed.

Against the will of the governed, they passed, for which the electorate showed its gratitude by showing an awful lot of democrats the way to the unemployment line.

Much is made of Congress' approval. Funny thing, that. No one ever asks what that means.

Could be, people are angry because the SENATE is where bills go to die. The bill repealing Obamacare, for example, has not even come up for a vote in that august body- despite a deal worked out with Harry Reid that he would bring it to the floor.

The House passed a budget- the Senate coated it down. They voted down Obama's budget, too, with not one vote for it. Funny, but they have not presented their own budget. Think their adding machine broke down?

In fact, I'm pretty sure Obama is the first president to ever govern without a budget. I guess it puts a crimp in his spending.

You just keep on clinging to the idea that none of it is his fault. The republicans don't like him, he inherited a mess, the weather was bad, he tripped over a rock.. ..

The rest of the country knows that he is in so far over his head he needs to look down to see up.

I never said it wasn't Obama's fault.

I did say it is disingenuous for the right to state they will make Obama fail, and then criticize him when he does fail. It is disingenuous to block passage of bills and appointments and then complain that nothing is getting out of the Congress. It is disingenuous to filibuster every piece of legislation and then complain that nothing is being brought to the floor of Congress.

Both ides are complicit in this.

Keep on lying to yourself if that makes you feel better.

Think Carter.

Heck, we might just be talking about Mondale- but I doubt it.

Obama will take California and Illinois. Probably Washington and Oregon, New York and D.C.

He's lost Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, and Florida.

In other words, he's toast. I just wonder how long it will take for his big dollar donors to figure out that-

A- he will not be getting the honeypot he's proposing, so they will not be getting tenfold returns on their "investment" in his campaign, and

B- he has a snowball's chance on the beach in Hawaii in August of getting reelected.

If they do, that loud crack you just heard is the sound of a couple hundred "donors" slapping their wallets shut.

no joe,

Obama's approval ratings are down in California, 44% disapproves of his job performance. This is California if that's not a red flag I don't know what is.

Even with these numbers, I agree with you, he will take California.

just a question for you, lisa...would you say that loyalty is more or less blind than that of those on the right to GB II before it became obvious he was becoming a political black hole in 2006-08?

Just in case you did not know, George Bush did not run for office after 2004. After the election of 2008 I was hoping I was wrong about Obama but now it looks like I wasn't.

Rick it was not a criticism just an observation.

So you are one of the remaining 25%- 30% of independents who will stay with Obama according to Gallup.

Ray you must be one of the 12% that supports the tea party. Be sure and play up how important you are and how no one elses ideals matters. Isn't that what the tea party is about, minority rule?

American, it's not even minority rule, it's rule for "me" only.

True Patriot,

The Tea Party lack civility, now that's rich coming from someone that just call them uncompromising "SOBs."

thetotas -- That was in quotation because it was a quote. And it's only libel if it's not true. Anyone who cheers at a high number of executions is showing blood-lust behavior that exceeds the acronym "SOB."

we've got an entire year to tear these folks apart. As Al Pacino once said "we're just gettin' warmed up!" If you think Perry is struggling now, wait until he's asked some tough questions. Romney will quit because he can't take it and Bachmann will keep sticking her foot in her mouth. This is gonna be fun. Oh, oh here it comes - teleprompter, 57 states, shovel ready jobs, etc., etc

Many of the folks on the far right are most likely, the same people who would support the views of the KKK.

Nice try but the Tea Party only came around in the spring and summer of 2010 as a result of Obama policies. MSNBC has spent the entire year since demonizing the Tea Party. CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS have not been portraying the Tea Party favorably.

Correction, The Tea Potty came around on 02/09. That is less than month after the President took office. Facts are facts that many on the far right leave out.

Nice try but the Tea Party only came around in the spring and summer of 2010 as a result of Obama policies.

Nice try but NO dice you little fibber you...

Since its inception in February 2009, the Tea Party movement—with the help of viral videos and social networking sites, such as Facebook and Twitter—almost instantly found a large and loyal following that has gained traction and supporters.

Read more: History of the Tea Party Movement — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/tea-party-history.html#ixzz1XwpbU5st

The tea party is like the loud drunk at the bar...they are louder than everyone at the moment and dominate any kind of discourse with their beligerance, and they get the attention. However, they are the minority. The two loud mouth drunks that get into the fight might make the entire establishment or substance look bad, but the reality is that they are just ignorant, and don't know the power of action over talking.

Hi Feisty,

It like when Slick Rick said that the stimulus package, didn't create one job. The fact check shows that the first stimulus package created between 1 million and 2.7 million jobs. Also, let's no forget the 17 Billion with a B that Texas got to balance their budget.

Facts are Facts.

Wasn't Ron Paul the father of the tea party in the 2008 elections? Go ahead Ray, show us just how truthful republicans really are.

The Koch brothers only started putting money into faux and the tea party in the spring and summer of 2010 and trying to pretend that the tea party was more than the religious right of the republican party.

I think that the when the tea party tried to default our country they made themselves unfavorable. But go ahead and blame it on the media.

Makes absolutely NOOOOOO diff when the Tea Party was "invented".

Let's just be relieved that regular Americans (like me ;o))came together, through the power of the pen, to stop socialism in the United States!

God Bless America.......I Pledge Allegiance to the flag.......We the people.......All men are created equal.....and henceforth shall be free......

Lean Forward! (Blame America First crowd)

P.S. - The day after Obama "Job Speech" (yeah right, sure) the DOW tanks.

The day after Anthony "Look at My Hotdog" Weiner's seat goes to the Tea Party Dow shoots up.

As Arsenial Hall would say...."Hmmmm, makes ya think"

The fact check shows that the first stimulus package created between 1 million and 2.7 million jobs

The mere "FACT" that you cannot distiguish between 1 million and 2.7 million shows what absolute BS your "FACTS" are.....lol

Is it 1 million or 2.7 million? 1.7 million is a crap-pile. Get real, and those numbers are the ones the White House is putting out there. Lets get an unbiased number.....mmkay?

Geesh, lets not be sheep.

Lean Forward!

I looks like mmnord1969 is just another right wing ding bat that wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the azz.

That is why I love fact checks.

lol Job1...

With a retort like that, it's hardly a head-scratcher as to why NY-9 went to the Tea Party....good "job"

Lean Forward!

The Tea Partiers (current Bachmann brand) have co-opted the Libertarian - Don't Tread on Me group. I have had various friends throughout the year screaming yay begging for smaller government. The difference is that they have somehow allowed the batshyt crazy crowd to infiltrate and combine efficiencies.

I personally believe that this 'partnership' is disaffecting the truly Indpendent. Watching the blood lust of these debate attendees and hearing W say the people wanted blood so he gave it to them,...I think that is FAR more telling about how next year will play out.

I believe once the alternatives have been carefully considered,...President Obama will easily win re-election. But hey,...I'm an optimist. oh, and plus, I've seen the current crop of candidates for the opposition. And while Romney is leading Obama in the polls, I know enough to know that there is NO WAY in hell the batshyt crazy wing will give him the nomination. And if Perry wins the nom and Romney decides to run as a 3rd Party spoiler,...that will only cement Obama's win. Reminiscent of Perot.

mmnord1969,

That seat will be up for re-election in 2012. Let's see if the Tea Bagger can hold it.

Job1,

That seat is going to be eliminated through redistricting. Can we PLEASE focus?

Laser focus, laser focus......

Americans First: "I guess I am not christian enough like the tea party to hate my fellow man for money"

The Tea Party stands for debt reduction and private sector hiring. Does it ever bother you, since you call yourself a christian, that 22% of children in the U.S. now are living in poverty? You know what would help? It would help if their parents could GET A JOB !!

No one said liberal Democrats will vote for the Republicans. But in yesterday Public Polling poll, it did say that almost 40% of Democrats would like another option for the 2012 presidential election besides Obama.

LEONA-2986819

It would help if their parents could GET A JOB !!

PASS THE PRESIDENT's JOB BILL!!!!!!!!!!

"...debt reduction and private sector hiring..." sure

On the bottom line all they want is to have their taxes cut. period.

If that means our nation suffers, too bad. If we can't repair the crumbling bridges, roads, power grid, water...so what, you aren't raising my taxes, you aren't increasing revenue.

It's no surprise, then, that they would cheer the idea of having a poor person without insurance die. And then go to church on Sunday and recite the Sermon on the Mount.

Leona, the tea party does not stand for debt reduction. You sure bought into that lie.

Everyone knows as long as the republicans refuse to raise taxes on the richest, that the debt means nothing to them but a political platform to scare people.

Get back to me when the republican tea party quits pretending to care and actually do something about the debt. Or anything else for that matter.

You are making the same error as most Democrats in think tax increases are the only way to lower debt. When only $.30 of every dollar in the Dept. of Education every makes it to state and local school systems according to a 2010 CBO study. We have plenty of place to easily cut.

The power grid and the railroads have been crying out for attention for at least the last 40 years. As many of you liberals like to boast Bill Clinton had a surplus. Why was it not spent on infrastructure?

AMY, If passing the President's "JOBS BILL" would fix anything, the first $780 billion "stimulus" would have done it already. Everytime Obama says the words "job bill" or "stimulus" it means he's sending money to UNIONS ( to bail out their pension funds) which in turn they donate back to his campaign. The rest of the money will go to "green jobs" which gets flushed down the toilet too because "green" companies can't turn a profit. Ask Solyndra, they just folded. Why don't you put down the kool aid, you're drunk enough.

Amy, just FYI........"Solyndra, which was hailed by President Obama in 2010 as an innovative company that would use stimulus money to create jobs and lead the economic recovery, laid off most of its 1,100 workers Aug. 31 and announced it would cease operations. The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Sept. 6."

So much for the President's "jobs bill" aka "stimulus 2"

Leona2986819,

I hate to keep repeating myself today but how have those Bush Tax cuts we've had in place for over 10 years created jobs? They haven't. Now the Repubs want even more cuts and to stop anything that will make the rich pay a fair share of taxes. To these people complaining about Obama and jobs, where are the jobs the Repubs good buddies have produced? Do you think that it is going to change if you vote in one of these idiots who sign a pledge to Grover Norquist instead of remembering that they pledge an oath to the American people when they are elected in to office? I think that's un American. They pledge to protect the rich before protecting the American people. Who can get behind that?

nwnative "They pledge to protect the rich before protecting the American people. Who can get behind that?"

nwnative, I respect your opinion but disagree with you. I see it this way. "Who can get behind" 9.2% unemployment, s&p downgrade, open borders, $15trillion debt, 2-3 wars and a President who is either giving speeches or on vacation?!

So much for the President's "jobs bill" aka "stimulus 2"

So we'll just sit around for the next 14 months and do nothing like the Republicans are doing. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Unemployment might be up to 12% by then. Do that and you guarantee a GOP loss.

tony, the Repubs have passed bills in the House but they go to the Senate and die because Harry Reid won't bring them to a vote. He's afraid even his own Dems will vote for them !! Put down the kool aid and learn the facts.

Perhaps if the bills they sent to the Senate were something other than Libertarian wet dreams they'd have some shot at passage. Were you this concerned when 400 bills died at the hands of Republican filibuster in the last Congress? Certainly not, your approach is like a chameleon, changing with ease to support whatever policy Conservatives are pushing at the moment. The only consistency is all of them are of benefit to the wealthy elites.

but the audience seemed to be very monochromatic!

Kind of like a undertakers convention! ;o)

They most likely left their pointed hats at the door.

Feisty, Job1...

Yup, Undertakers who gleefully await the bodies of the uninsured!...but cautioned not to wear their fancy hats in front of the national cameras!.....lol

Yup, Undertakers who gleefully await the bodies of the uninsured!...

While cheering & applauding!

What pathetic excuses for human life....

Lol, I love this, "The last Great Act of Defiance", as the liberals quickly go extinct! lol

chilled, the audience was "monochromatic" as you say because the African American consensus is LET'S STAND BEHIND THIS BLACK PRESIDENT even if unemployment for blacks keeps going up and we all GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP ! !!!

Another Conservative fantasy. Blacks have overwhelmingly been behind the Democrats ever since the GOP abandoned them with Nixon's Southern Strategy. African Americans aren't the mindless, clueless fools you paint them to be, they're fully capable of voting in their own best interest.

The republicans have been obstructing everything to make sure America suffers. With not passing the jobs bill, America will know that republicans once again created this economy and are trying to keep it this way.

This is after running up huge deficits with wars and two tax cuts. It seems the republicans were trying on purpose to destroy our country or they were too stupid to know what they were doing.

Either way they are not competent to lead our country.

For the love of America Obama 2012

American First, again you did not even attempt to answer the question. Just more left wing rhetoric. When has this type of stimulus ever succeeded? You want us to dump almost $500 billion into a plan which has never worked before. What do you call it when someone keeps doing the same thing over and over and over again while expecting different results? It has never worked before but you still insist it will work now even though it has a long history of failure.

Ray - All the liberals buy into Keynesian economics. For some strange reason the Republicans and we conservatives gave up on Keynes. It is probably because we opened our eyes long enough to see that that form of economics required much, much more government intervention than supply side. And I don't care what you liberals spin. Supply Side Economics works.

Ray w.

Again, I repeat myself. And just what will the Republicans do to create jobs? What have they offered? Please tell us. And again, what have over 10 years of Bush tax cuts produced? Jobs? Hell no!! They just want to protect their campaign funding. More money for the rich!!! Yeah, let's go there again.

I think you need to go read a history book. Most of those KKK member and racist politicians in the South during the 1950's and 1960's were Democrats!!

Ray,

Dixiecrats,...don't get yourself all confused and kerfuffled. They were NOT Civil Rights Dems,...but I know your side likes to call it that.

PS. Lincoln wouldn't be a Republican today, I can bet you money on it.

Nope, they were democrats just the same as LBJ was a democrat. Keep in mind that life in the South, expecially in Alabama would have changed considerably for the better if LBJ had not taken the teeth out of the Civil Rights Act of 1957. And Lincoln would be just as much a Republican today as he was in the 1800s. He had a plan for dealing with the recently freed slaves and reconstructing the South, unlike the democrats of the time which kind of reminds me of the democrats of today.

Ray W.,

Here I go again. In over 10 years of Bush tax cuts, has this produced jobs? No it has not. Yet, some people want to give that political party who put us in this mess and tell us to our faces everyday, "No raising taxes on the rich" another crack at running the country. No man on this earth could have fixed what the prior administration has done in 3 years. It will take a long, long time. Let's not reward the asses who put us here in the first place.

When will you liberals stop with the "It is Bush's fault"? You all are just showing your ignorance.

Care to refute his point, Rick, or would you rather just whine?

While I know that liberals are not even remotely interested in the truth and won't bother to read this I will post it anyway. Maybe someone with an open mind will read it:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html

http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicindicators/tp/Subprime-Mortgage-Primer.htm

Rick, on Lincoln, let's remember that the reason for his election causing the civil war was that the republican party under him was all for expanding Federal power in order to limit the State's "rights" to own other human beings. during the war he did many big government things that got even northerners to be open to the possibility he was acting as a dictator, but later showed himself to be more the Roman, Cinncinatus dictator of legend, he still was very much expanding federal power and authority, and even wrote into the constitution language about not questioning the validitity of the federal DEBT. is this really a man that would be welcom in the Republican party of Michelle Bachman and her type?

Ryan - I'm not sure where that is coming from but let me suggest some research for you. Somewhere around the 1830s a bunch of rich old men in the slave holding portions of the South discovered they came out a lot better on prices by trading their raw materials for goods manufactured in England. Needless to say the rich old men in the industrialized north did not like that but instead of negotiating with the southern farmers they had congress pass the Tariff of 1828. Google the Tariff of 1828. The state of South Carolina let it be known that since they were not a party to that legislation they felt they did not have to abide by the tariff. That is were the term state's rights comes in. The Federal government sent troops to Fort Sumter which is at the entrance to the harbor at Charleston to enforce the tariff and after many years of empty promises the Southern States seceded and started by kicking out the federal troops in Fort Sumpter. This is around 1860. Check out Tamany Hall during Boss Tweed's tenure there. In 1863 Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves. Also the draft was instituted around that time. If you had $300 you could buy your way out of the draft supposedly this was done to raise money for the war. The Irish and other immigrants politically recruited and registered to the democratic party by Boss Tweed probably did not make that much in a year and to put it mildly they did not take to that draft exemption very well. Google the New York Draft riots of 1863.

Many people seem to think that every man woman and child in the south at that time lived in a mansion and owned several hundred slaves. And many think that secession and the war was universally supported by southerners. For those of you that believe that I would suggest you Google "The Free State of Winston". BTW, that is the part of Alabama where I grew up.

To repeat:

Google the Tariff of 1828

Google the New York Draft riots of 1863

Google The Free State of Winston.

Rick, we've been down this path before. You keep neglecting to mention that Alan Greenspan and Phil Graham, both Republicans engineered a bill to BAN regulation of OTR derivatives, then Graham's wife made a substantial amount of money in that market.

The Republican ideology of deregulation is responsible for our current economic conditions.

This election is about results not rhetoric, demagoguery, and campaign slogans. Where are the Obama and Democratic results? They had full control for 2 years.

They also believe the more they repeat a lie the more will believe it (the "birther's" are a case in point).

The country has had to deal with a "do-nothing" congress who are only required to work five months out of the year so three years translates into fifteen months. If the president was magical enough to turn the country around in that amount of time, these people would call him... a "warlock" or some type of "other."

Turning the country around would have been tough enough but the present administration has only driven us deeper in.

Rick, I have a question for you on the accusation by many that the bad(or good) things are Obama's fault/credit. in our Constitution, does the President make the law? if you answered yes, you failed your Government class. congress write laws. all O bama can do is make speeches about what he likes, and then deside whether or not to approve the bills written by others. as a Liberal, I am very disapointed he hasn't vetoed more, such as what the "moderates" and republicans morphed the health bill into, or what became of the stimulous bill after the same groups got a hold of it. did Obama make a series of mistakes early on by rubber stamping republican policies in bills with his name on it? hell yes. but did he write those policies?did he campaign on them? has he ever supported them at any time other than when he signed the bills? no. Obama has never gotten a thing he wanted,because despite allegedly having supermajorities for half a year(spent more time campaigning than legislating) the Senate minority became the most powerful governing body in the world through it's obstructionism. they re-wrote all bills in order to make them weaker so as to gain political points against Obama, and he caved,because he believed the myth about bipartisanship. it is not Obama's policies that have stopped the recovery,its the fact that though he may be gone,at no time since 1994 has Conservative, Bush style ideology not driven this nation's policies.

Son, you were wrong on Lincoln and now you are wrong on Obama. The health care bill passed with a democrat controlled congress and I don't know of any amendments. I know President Obama is your hero but you need to accept reality.

And the recession of 2008 is not President Obama's fault any more than it is George Bush's fault. The only problem with the current administration is his lack of experience and failure to lead. Unless he is somehow directly corrected to the Solyndra scandal.

BTW Ryan - did you check out those subjects I suggested you Google?

Who in your party has sent out this "One and done" mantra? It seems to be all over the place so here's my reply: "One and done, two for FUN!"

One and done, stand up for Freedom!!

Lying about what? The results of the Democratic policies? You don't have to listen to the Republicans Look at the numbers and the results of their policies. Since the passage of the first stimulus we have lost a net total of $2.4 million jobs. But Democrats think that is we just spend more somehow we will get exactly different results. Democratic theories should be treated as fact even though there is no evidence of any success, we should take their word and do this again and again and again. Show us some evidence of positive results and we will take it into consideration.

Oh wow! I was feeling bad enough and now you tell me Barack Obama is a Republican. When you democrats talk about Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers why do you never mention George Soros and Warren Buffet?

OK Ray W.,

Show us some positive results from the former administration and the years of Bush tax cuts. Can you do that? You people have short, short memories. Remember the people who butchered this country? It's your people.

nwnative ... actually what Republicans have is "selective memory blocks" ... its really funny they don't wish to talk about GW & his Republican congress and the number of times that he requested, AND GOT, a debt ceiling hike from his Republican congress, while doubling the Nat'l Debt , and his handling of wall street etc ... nooooo, its all about Obama they talk about, and saying how Obama has done NOTHING ... as the Republican Congress stands on Obama's coattail and says "go ahead, Obama, do what you said you were going to do".

Its funny, its starting to come home to bite at the Repubs ... Mitch McConnell is in the HOT SPOT in Kentucky over the Louisville/Indiana bridge ... the primary vein to downtown Louisville. The Obama job package would help repair that bridge, but Mitch doesn't want to give into it ... he's saying "we'll find another way to pay for it" ... hahaha, as a quarter million people use that bridge every day ... that's going to be FUN to watch. I lived in Louisville for 10 years, and they were talking about that bridge back in the early 1990's ... haven't done a thing because they couldn't afford to repair it.

But, ole Mitch doesn't have to travel that bridge every day to work, so why would he care? None of the Repubs care because nothing that's going on is directly impacting them ... their #1 goal, as Mitch said is "make Obama a one-term president" and they have NOBODY to run against him that can win ... NOBODY!

Somebody has to offset the Billions spent by George Soros, Warren Buffet and Jeffrey Immelt who spent tons covering the brainwashing of the lotus eating liberals.

That's job #1, but we can't seem to get even as far as that. NO, that might help the economy (and the President's chances for re-election!). Can't be done! Let's focus on curbing individual liberties and voting rights instead!

Republicans are saying to the American people -- forget this depression started on our watch when we held all the power and vote for us now so we can enact more of the same policies that caused the crash in the first place.

The liberal lotus eaters posting here are saying forget that the policies that led to the sub prime meltdown and the resulting credit crisis were put in place by a democrat president and his supporters in congress.

What have they done? Tax cuts for the rich and NO (ZERO) jobs to show for it.

Rob are you truly fool enough to stick with that totally misquoted lie? It has been disproven over and over ohhh yes and over. Not unlike the fact that a mosque New York blocks away was to be built on the site of the attack of 9/11 or that a Christina can support the death penalty and worship Jesus who was wrongly put to death by the government.