One last Weiner joke (just for you, Betty!! LMAO!!!!): If the Dems can't win an election in the bowels of the bluest city, in the bluest state in the country, in a district they have held for 90 years, where CAN they win?? The vote was not even close.

And the "dick joke" is on Barry Obama. Dems had touted recent special election wins in two NY Republican districts as proof that they were the choice of the majority of people that were rejecting the Republican agenda. Except that both of those races had odd third party candidates that split the Republican vote and allowed the Dem candidate to win. In a one on one match, like yesterdays NY 9 loss, the Dems would not have won either of those special elections. Yesterday's NY special election was definitely a referendum on Barry Obama and the policies of the far left Dem party and both were rejected soundly.

From Politico:

Twin defeats spark Democratic fears
By: Jonathan Martin and Ben Smith and Jake Sherman
September 14, 2011 04:57 AM EDT

HOWARD BEACH, N.Y. — The Democratic Party's rare loss of a congressional seat in its urban heartland Tuesday, accompanied by a blowout defeat in a Nevada special election, marked the latest in a string of demoralizing setbacks that threatened to deepen the party's crisis of confidence and raise concerns about President Barack Obama's political fortunes.

In New York, Republican Bob Turner soundly defeated Democrat David Weprin in a House contest that – in the view of party leaders, at least — featured an anemic urban machine, distracted labor unions, and disloyal voters. In Nevada, a consequential state for the president's re-election strategy, Democrats suffered a runaway loss rooted in a weak showing in Reno's Washoe County, a key bellwether.

Even before the polls closed, the recriminations – something short of panic, and considerably more than mere grumbling – had begun. On a high-level campaign conference call Tuesday afternoon, Democratic donors and strategists commiserated over their disappointment in Obama. A source on the call described the mood as "awful."

"People feel betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless," said the source.

Less expansive but equally telling were the remarks of House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, who in a conversation with reporters Tuesday morning said bluntly that Obama would take some blame for the two special election losses.

"I think every election reflects on the person in charge, but do I think it is an overall statement on the president alone? No," said Hoyer. "Do I think it will be interpreted as being a statement on Obama? That's probably correct."

A senior Hill Democratic aide was more direct in attempting to explain the New York loss: "The approval ratings for the guy at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue cratered."

OUCH!!!!

Perry is Scary

Obama in 2012.

"I am a registered Democrat, I have always been a registered Democrat, I come from a family of Democrats — and I hate to say this, I voted Republican. I need to send a message to the president that he's not doing a very good job. Our economy is horrible. People are scared."

That's a quote in the NYT from a voter explaining why she voted for Bob Turner in the election to fill Anthony Weiner's seat. Turner will be the first Republican since 1920 to represent that district. Well, how about that.

Turner won by framing the election as a referendum on Obama. His opponent lost even though he portrayed Turner as a wild and crazy Tea Party guy who would slash Social Security and Medicare. So disgust with the status quo apparently trumped latent misgivings about the future of entitlement programs. And this just a few months after the Dems had won a special election in upstate New York by shamelessly playing the Mediscare card. My, how things have changed.

The Dems are already spinning the loss as attributable to "unusual circumstances" such as Weiner's disgrace. HA! The DNC and leftists on this board may be in denial, but most normal people can see the writing on the wall: the president is in very deep trouble. For those of us who think that's a good thing, November 2012 can't come soon enough.

A Tea Party Republican won Weiner's old seat in NY-9! That seat had to be one of the safest ever for the Democrats, a can of soup with "Democrat" printed on the label should have been able to win that seat.

Just the kind of news the Liberals needed to hear today. Things are going so well for you Libs, don't you think?

And Obama needs the Jewish vote for him to win states like, ohh, Florida. Not a chance that will be happening. Obama may even lose New York next year.

Time for another speech Barry

Da*mn you Wiener~!!!!!

on another note, I actually felt kinda sorry for Perry during the debate.... but hey, welcome to the presidential election... people who dig shyt up about you when you are leading in the polls... remember when Obama was running, the news ginned up one scandal after the other - on a daily basis - some idiotic repubs out there said that the media didn't vet Obama (if he was vetted any further, they would need to dig the graves of the dead - since everyone of his possible association and even the dude he walked by at the grocery store was vetted).

Anyways, enough of my rant, have a good day people, it's just politics...we are continually replacing one bought politician with another one.... you just gotta not get too tooo cynical

Ah, look at the old gal - it's all about Cantor now is it dear?

I bet Cantor is just trying to save money for more great solar panel loans.

Headline: White House pressed on $500 million loan to solar company now under investigation.

Of course the company is Solyndra, who's biggest investor George Kaiser, was a big campaign money man to Obama. Obama returned the favor by sending Solyndra a half billion dollar "loan" to the now failed company, which is turning out to be just a political kickback using the taxpayers money. Not that Solyndra's Kaiser lobbied for it during his 20 visits to the White House prior to getting the loan, but money does seem to buy access to Obama and his administration. Doesn't Obama say he's against this kind of backroom lobbying? Odd that it seems okay when Obama is doing it.

The whole thing is just an old-fashion Chicago shakedown of the taxpayers, and the taxpayers have lots of money Obama can waste.

We knew Obama was incompetent. Now we know he's corrupt.

According to a new Bloomberg poll, by a margin of 51% to 40% (and 56% of independents) Americans doubt the president's "jobs bill" will bring down the unemployment rate. The Bloomberg analysis goes on to state: "That sentiment undermines one of the core arguments the president is making on the job act's behalf in a nationwide campaign to build public support."

Well, how about that. Those who see the world with clarity already knew that the "jobs bill" was nothing more than a political ploy by the president to bash Republicans he knew would not support the tax increases contained therein. But leaving that aside, now we see the general public doesn't believe the "jobs bill" would do any good anyway. So it looks like the president's attempt to make political hay on this issue is about to blow up in his face.

Fancy that.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/obama-approval-drops-on-skepticism-of-jobs-plan.html

It would appear that this morning is as good a time as any to put to rest the notion, so popular in recent days here at First Read, that an anti-GOP wave is building that will sweep Republicans from office in the 2012 general election.

In reality, such a wave cannot gain momentum because it is opposed by a formidable counter-force: the unpopularity of President Obama and Congressional Democrats.

Yesterday, in the special election in NY Congressional District 9, a Republican was elected to fill the seat vacated by the resignation of Democrat Anthony Weiner...this despite the fact that Democrats hold a 3-1 registration advantage among voters in that district.

President Obama's job approval in NY-9 stands at 37%. Although the Democratic candidate in the race did 9 pts. better than that, he still lost to his Republican opponent by 8 pts.

NY-9 is not some obscure, upstate, conservative district. This is the area that elected now-Senator Chuck Schumer to a House seat. Yesterday's result is a very, very, big deal.

So...

I can't wait to see how DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz will try to spin it.

Jay Carney's in for a rough ride as well.

This should be an interesting day, First Readers.

It is something to see when the right so quickly jumps on the loss of Anthony Weiner's seat to a republican yet claimed when democrats won long-held republican seats that it was just a fluke or did their best to discredit the win by claiming it was the fault of ACORN. The democrat lost, the voters spoke.

Obama's top political adviser David Axelrod said Tuesday that the administration was unwilling to break up the president’s $447 billion jobs plan if Republicans were only receptive to passing certain elements.

"We're not in a negotiation to break up the package. It's not an à la carte menu. It's a strategy to get this country moving,” Axelrod said Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Gosh these Liberals are an absolute hoot! Making all these demands, telling everyone that they are the tough guys. Walking around with their chests pumped out like they think they are important. And they won't even be a around after a little more than a year from now.

You know I thought it'd be the gun runner scam that was was going to wreck Obama, and of course Holder, but now I'm thinking it'll be solar panels.

Obama on jobs to American - slow and sporadic.

Obama on getting guns to criminals - fast and furious.

Feisty's Obama cheer - delusional and ebbing.

2 1/2 years into his presidency and the first big scandal is a loan made in the interest of creating jobs, to a private company, that went belly up? That's it?

Compare the money lost on Soylndra to the 12 million a day lost in Iraq and Afghanistan to fraud and waste during the Bush years and tell me if you're still excited. Get some perspective, people.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/panel-widespread-waste-and-fraud-in-war-spending/

PS In Maine, our Teapublican governor has stirred up a new controversy every week, no exaggeration.

@JAS1 -- That contradicted what fearless leader said the day before.

Ah Jody, always with the simple take on things.

The difference dear Jody is the preference cascade has occurred, the tipping point on Obama has been reached.

All preferences aside - people now see what having zero experience gets you. For goodness sake the man never created a job, made a payroll or created a thing.

Republicans shouldn't be doing any gloating over the grim economic news. All any of this goes to show is that we have one sorry lot of representatives in Washington.

And in case you thought otherwise, Republicans aren't escaping their own share of the blame.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/14/cnn-poll-more-americans-trust-obama-on-economy-over-republicans-in-congress/?iid=HP_LN

President Obama's disapproval ratings may be at an all-time high, but in a new CNN/ORC International poll, more Americans say they trust him on economic matters more than they do Republicans in Congress.

The survey released on Wednesday shows that although a lot of Americans are still unsure what's in the president's new jobs bill, they like most of the major proposals offered in the plan that was sent to Congress Monday.

"By a 43-35 percent margin, a plurality of Americans approve of the economic program Obama outlined in his speech to Congress last week, but more than one in five don't have any view at all of the jobs bill," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

The president will travel to North Carolina Wednesday as he continues to try to sell his $447 billion dollar plan to encourage job growth to the public.

And most of the nation agree that stimulating employment is important right now.

Two-thirds believe that creating jobs should take precedence over the federal budget deficit and only 29 percent say reducing the deficit should be more important that reducing unemployment.

In the wake of recent natural disasters, Americans also prioritize disaster relief over the deficit. Six in 10 want federal aid to the victims of recent hurricanes and wildfires even if that amount of money is not cut from other government programs.

When President Obama's bill is broken down, more Americans like most of the proposals in it – two-thirds like the idea of cutting the payroll tax for workers and the same number like greater spending on infrastructure projects. Three quarters approve of sending federal money to states to hire more teachers and first responders.

But overall, the public is in a foul mood over conditions in the nation today. Most say they are not better off than they were three years ago and large majorities say they are angry and scared about how things are going in the country today.

(emphasis added)

Let's face facts, folks. When you unmask them for what they really are, Republican ideas just aren't all that popular.

Now, if only the President would figure that out and start standing up for what Americans REALLY want. This other stuff doesn't seem to be working, anyway.

Here’s a big problem with these debates:

No one is made to answer the questions, and they all get ‘do overs’ by having more than one big debate, or several smaller debates that cover specific issues each.

For instance- Bachmann never did answer the question about the hypothetical 30-year old without insurance that goes into 6 months of intensive care. All she did was yammer about Obama Care (again). She should have been stopped and made to answer the damned question. I know they all do it- Dems and Repubs alike, and it sucks- “before I address that issue, let me go back to what so-and-so said about…”.

Then, there’s the opportunity to go back and rephrase or re-position yourself on something that you said in a prior debate that caused people to take pause. It encourages ‘flip-flopping’ to no end. This is ESPECIALLY why Palin shouldn’t be allowed to run now. She’s seen two of these debates, seen all the opinions and reactions to the statements made, and could tailor her positions without ever having had to have them examined before they could be scrubbed.

Campaign reform? Hell, I’d settle for ‘Debate reform’

As for the Weiner-district loss, I have to ask; are people not paying any attention at all on the left? They trust republicans to make life better for anyone in the middle and lower-classes? Hell, if we don’t care about 40 million saps without health care, why the hell would we care about 46 million of them living in poverty? (22% of our children, by the way) I guess they deserve to go begging. Hey poor people, at least if you can’t get off your butts and vote for what is in YOUR best interest, you deserve what you get. But hey- in addition to living in poverty, you can at least look forward to doing it in a sewer for an environment.

(geez, Spank- am I turning into a Republican right before your eyes??)

That's right Amy - and the best part is the white house's own e mails show they knew the money would run out in 9/11 - BECAUSE the business model as not supportable.

Now we all know Obama still doesn't understand what that means.

Feisty, why is that your comments frequently have nothing to do with the story you're responding to? In this case the FR column was almost entirely about yesterday's elections and yet you decide to talk about schools in Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you try to stay on point from now on?

Jody, Iowa: It is something to see when the right so quickly jumps on the loss of Anthony Weiner's seat to a republican yet claimed when democrats won long-held republican seats that it was just a fluke or did their best to discredit the win by claiming it was the fault of ACORN. The democrat lost, the voters spoke.

NY-9 is pretty special to the Democrats. That was Weiner's House seat, but prior to that it was Chuck Schumer's and Geraldine Ferraro's House seat. The last time there was a Republican holding that position was 1921.

A 70 year old Roman Catholic Tea Party Republican who has never run for any political office wins a House seat in a predominantly Democratic and Jewish community against a politically seasoned Jewish candidate. That just cannot be ignored.

Day after day, these liberals just cannot make a point without insults, name calling and ugly remarks. Not to mention the misrepresentation of facts and what someone else said that they disagree with. Voters are catching on to just what liberals are all about. Turner, a Roman Catholic, ran against a Jewish opponent in a very liberal district in NYC, and ran against Obama's economic policies and Obama's luke warm, less than supportive attitude toward Israel. He won! The messages keep coming and the liberals keep the denial and spin going. 16 months until a "wake-up".

AM-

I agree.

No one should "be doing any gloating about the grim economic news."

NY-9 is another matter entirely.

PS-Can I talk about Solyndra now that Chuck, Mark, Dom, and the gang are talking about it?

DBO - love that it is you calling for more and better questioning and follow up.

As per Huffington Post comments this am - "The people are scared and when they get scared they vote republican."

Interesting.

Feisty,

So how do you feel about rebuilding schools and everything else Obama broke in Libya.

BTW - Pathetic deflection .... the dem paints the repub as a tea bagger and the repub hooks the dem to Obama .... since 1920? ..... 3-1 dem to repub district? ......wow that would really hurt if you weren't floating in some gas cloud detached from reality, huh?

Bill, Fairfax VA

According to a new Bloomberg poll, by a margin of 51% to 40% (and 56% of independents) Americans doubt the president's "jobs bill" will bring down the unemployment rate. The Bloomberg analysis goes on to state: "That sentiment undermines one of the core arguments the president is making on the job act's behalf in a nationwide campaign to build public support."

LoL Bill. We appear to have dueling poll numbers today. Sorry to undercut your gloat.

NY-9 is important because of the jewish vote.

Obama has made many mistakes. But the call for 1967 borders was huge insofar as it highlights how utterly short sighted he is.

Plus you just don't mess with the jews over stuff like that, ever.

Mixed Bag:

No one should "be doing any gloating about the grim economic news."

NY-9 is another matter entirely.

If I had a nickel for every time a congressional seat in New York turned over after a sex scandal in the past year alone, I'd have a dime.

Don't forget NY-26.

As I recall it, the issue there was Medicare.

As near as I can tell, the only folks who are "gloating about grim economic news" are the leftists who try to play that card to the disadvatnage of Republicans.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Can you try to stay on point from now on?

I'm sorry - you must have me confused with someone who you think answers to YOU! lol

I'll write what I want - when I want & where I want...

Don't like it don't read it.. K?

It's pretty obvious you write what you want well before the FR ever comes out, sit like a hawk waiting to be the first one to respond, and then post your hyper-partisan drivel regardless of how irrelevant it is. Watching you hijack the the discussion day after day gets tiresome.

Ok guys -

It's my last day of vacation. Came on to get e mails, but as usual got sucked down this rabbit hole.

The Ocean is fantastic, the swim up bar is great, and Ms. Spanky is just waking up. :)

Mixed Bag:

PS-Can I talk about Solyndra now that Chuck, Mark, Dom, and the gang are talking about it?

LoL By all means. You can talk about anything you want.

You certainly don't need my permission, but if you did, you certainly have it. ;-)

Bill, Fairfax VA:

As near as I can tell, the only folks who are "gloating about grim economic news" are the leftists who try to play that card to the disadvatnage of Republicans.

And your point?

But while we're at it, we might as well pile on the Congressional Budget Office.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/debt_committee/index.htm

Cutting spending and raising taxes now could put a drag on the economy.

That was the message Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf delivered Tuesday to the new congressional debt committee, which is in week two of its hurry-up assignment to propose ways to slash deficits.

And what was the predictable response of Republicans?

More cuts.

On Tuesday, a number of super committee members echoed their support for the "go big" idea. And so did House Speaker John Boehner and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer.

"I've always believed it would be easier to get the votes if in fact we got a big deal," said Boehner, who had been in negotiations with President Obama during the debt-ceiling debate to see if they could come up with a so-called "grand bargain" deal.

On Monday, the president is set to present the super committee with his own debt cutting proposal that is likely to call for at least $4 trillion in deficit reduction.

Your side owns it now, Bill. Like I said, I wouldn't be gloating over it.

AM-

Sorry.

But...

NY-9 is not NY-26.

Voters in NY-9 sent Geraldine Ferraro and Chuck Schumer to Washington.

The seat hasn't been held by a Republican for nearly a century, for heavenssake!

AM: Don't forget NY-26.

Poor Annie. Always fighting the good fight, but never winning.

@Jim in Houston -- when you work for Newsvine, one is permitted to violate the Code of Honor. You will also notice that she posted at 9:09. It is now 9:52 and the story was first posted 36 minutes ago.

Two more Democrat seats lost to the GOP; they'll lose the rest of them in November 2012. Then, with a GOP president and congressional majority, we can get back into the oil, mineral, and timber businesses and solve the unemployment problem.

A few other things about Solyndra you probably haven't heard:

In addition to the Pricewaterhouse Cooper report, the GAO has stated that it escaped scrutiny - was fast tracked by an administration that monitored every step of the process.

BIG THING - In February, Solyndra and its lenders reorganized the company's debts, putting the USloan behind $69.3 owed to other lenders.

Obama literally put the Oklahoma Oil Billionaire before the US tax payers' 1/2 billion!

BTW - Solyndra was in Rep. Pete Stark's district. Stark was chairman of the the tax writing Ways and Means Committee's health subcommittee and played a critical role in forcing ObamaCare through Congress.

Sure libs .... no biggie, right?

Ray, if she works for Newsvine you'd think she would be in the loop about the contents of the column. LOL

Yeah Feisty I'm thinking all we need here in Detroit is a few more teachers and a new coat of paint to jack that 21% graduation rate right up there with the rest of the industrial nation's.

Yes I'd like my 120 billion back, preferably with interest. I'd also like for Mr. Obama to quit speaking. The class warfare rhetoric is old and tired. If he wants his job's bill passed he needs to pay for it now, not kick it down to the "Super Committee" whose job is to kick the original 1.5 trillion even further down the road. Mr. Obama needs to pick some Democratic holy grail of spending (take your pick) and take an ax to it. Then he can point to the Republicans and talk about their holy grail of revenue increases. Force them into swallowing that bitter pill while at the same time coming off like a true leader who will make the tough choices.

And since I'm here addressing you directly for the first time, try for once not to use words like treasonous or evil or Nazi or any of the other adjectives you use to describe those who do not agree with you. From what I've seen of you, your too damned intelligent to have to stoop to that level to make a point.

Mixed Bag:

NY-9 is not NY-26 ....

The seat hasn't been held by a Republican for nearly a century, for heavenssake!

Maybe not.

But just for you .... a brief history of NY-26, which apparently hasn't been held by a Democrat since at least the 1960s.

http://welections.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/ny-26-special-election-2011/

The seat had been held by Lee since 2008. Lee, a conservative Republican, won by 14.5% over his little-known Democratic opponent Alice Kryzan in 2008 and increased his majority to 47% against a token Democratic opponent last year. Prior to Lee, the seat had been held by Republican Thomas M. Reynolds, a conservative Republican. Scandal-tarred Reynolds had been a Democratic target in 2006, but he won by 4%. Prior to that, the region has elected Republicans to Congress since the 1960s at least.

What a good day this is because it is another one without the lies and rants of Navy!!!!!

In NY26, I seem to recall that the dems ran a Tea Party fraud candidate to siphon and split the Republican votes.

Like I said, I wouldn't be gloating over it.

Like I said, the only gloating about our current economic pain seems to be coming from folks like you.

AM: Maybe not.

Keep swinging sweetie. You might connect some day. Probably not today though.

Obama will be very angry about this and attack hard working citizens and small business even more violently as if doubling energy prices and increasing health insurance costs with Obamacare was not enough

Bill, Fairfax VA

Like I said, the only gloating about our current economic pain seems to be coming from folks like you.

Oh, pish. I watched the debate the other night and saw Tea Partiers gloating over some poor hypothetical 30-year-old guy who couldn't buy health insurance, cheering on at the suggestion that he be left to die.

If that isn't gloating, I don't know what is. Most of the 50 million people who don't have health insurance in this country right now don't refuse to buy it because the economy is so great that they just choose to defy the odds.

They don't have it because they're desperate.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/census_bureau_health_insurance/index.htm?iid=HP_River

Who are you to laugh about that, Bill?

Don't forget NY-26.

As I recall it, the issue there was Medicare.

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AM: That's what the Dems would like to believe was the reason they won that special election. The real reason they won is the Tea Party candidate got 10,000 mostly Republican votes. Had the Tea Party candidate not run, the endorsed Republican would have won NY-26 by about 5,000 votes.

Voters must order the Obama Brand off the shelves

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Vote Tea Party Patriot in 2012

Albany Joe:

The real reason they won is the Tea Party candidate got 10,000 mostly Republican votes. Had the Tea Party candidate not run, the endorsed Republican would have won NY-26 by about 5,000 votes.

Methinks you assume too much. He was a former Democrat. There's no guarantee that the Republican would have gotten all those votes. A lot of them might have stayed home.

Oh, all right. I'll give you that one. LoL

By the way, we're still laughing over Ross Perot, like you're laughing over Ralph Nader.

Fiesty...get a grip kiddo.

DEMOCRATS and Republicans voted to go into Iraq. The Many Iraqis don't have a school to go to, so that's why WE want them built. I don't agree with using U.S. money to build them, as the Iraqis should be using their own oil revenues.

As opposed to the U.S. where the lefties want to throw more money at our current school system that is failing. The problem with U.S. schools is all the high-minded, empty intellectualizing that paying teachers and administrators more is going to fix the problem. All the kids need is the same thing the current generation of successful Americans had, reading, writing and arithmetic.

(Sorry folks, but I digressed to responding to Fiesty...)

Madison, wow your a real scholar, but I'll give you this Obama will lose and so well all the rest of us. you'll get a Republican in 2012, but nothing will happen and you'll still be unemployed during that 4 years as well. should be another democrat in office by the time this storm has passed. It was a 10 year deal when it started and the writing was on the wall.

AM: Oh, pish. I watched the debate the other night and saw Tea Partiers gloating over some poor hypothetical 30-year-old guy who couldn't buy health insurance, cheering on at the suggestion that he be left to die.

The dying dream of the Socialist - The dream that the government can solve all the problems.

There is something about personal responsibility that the Left like Annie here just does not get. The Libs are big on personal choice, but when comes to practicing what they preach, they Libs fall way short. It is an individuals choice to do what they want. If they choose to have health insurance, that is something they will have if they need it. If they choose not to, they have to assume the responsibility for their actions if they are in need of medical care.

The Socialists like AM cannot understand personal responsibility and people owning up to their own actions. They believe the government is the one that should take care of them and others. With this dogma of the Left is it any wonder why the government is bankrupt and has to borrow 40 cents on top of every dollar it spends?

JoAnnaSmith1
Obama's top political adviser David Axelrod said Tuesday that the administration was unwilling to break up the president's $447 billion jobs plan if Republicans were only receptive to passing certain elements.

"We're not in a negotiation to break up the package. It's not an à la carte menu. It's a strategy to get this country moving," Axelrod said Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Perhaps David Axelrod and Mr Obama will learn about the legislative process and what an amendment is.

Do you really think the the President will veto his own "American Jobs Act" if it is submitted back to him to be signed into law without all the elements included?

hs321:

All the kids need is the same thing the current generation of successful Americans had, reading, writing and arithmetic.

I can't speak for you, but that's not all I had. I had, for example, foreign language beginning in the fourth grade, algebra in 7th, and a few other sophisticated things besides.

For a guy (or gal) who I will bet believes in globalization, I'm surprised you aren't also calling for a little advanced math and science, as well.

On second thought, I suspect that for you, science is all hooey, anyway. Replace that with an hour a day of CBN.

Is that still on?

Well, anyway. History and civics don't seem to figure in here either -- neither the Constitution nor learning how to avoid the mistakes of ... say, FDR or Bill Clinton. Or physical education to prepare our disadvantaged youth for their lives in the military fighting Halliburton's wars, or music, or art, or literature, or even those old fashioned "industrial arts" or "home economics," to prepare ALL students for their manly and feminine (respectively) destinies. And God forbid we should offer health or sex education.

You know ... health and sex education, just like those good old days that our successful generation REALLY knew.

Jim from Houston...... the good part is that its one of those things easily cured by a shot of penicillin. They used to give them to all of us coming off of leave in South East Asia! This is about as dangerous as the Asian clap!

just a snippet of things to come

it only took the press 3 years to start asking questions not dictated to them in advance by the white house.

i guess its a start.

Glenn: Do you really think the the President will veto his own "American Jobs Act" if it is submitted back to him to be signed into law without all the elements included?

It won't get that far. Harry Reid should put the Obama plan to a straight up/down vote in the Senate. Those Democratic Senators up for election in 2012 see what happened to their friends who were up for election in 2010 after they voted for ObamaCare and Stimulus I. Obama's so called plan won't get 40 votes.

Day after day, we can bet that someone is going to trot out a poll. Respondents say, "Blah, blah, blah." Immediately the pundits and posters run out to interpret the meaning du jour. These "analysts" will tease out the truth from respondents who actually believe that Republicans are fiscally responsible, who actually believe that Democrats are concerned about the welfare of the downtrodden, who actually believe you can turn around a 15-trillion-dollar economy overnight. These are respondents who change their opinions more often than they change their underwear.

The only polls that count are the kind that are today's topic. Of course, the pundits and posters can tell us the "true" meaning of the election results. These are the same posters who can read about economic failure and raise a cheer because their side "wins". America loses, but somehow these guys win.

So, what is to be gleaned from yesterday's election. Well, a whole lot of nothing. Nothing really changes on the national front. There's a one-vote pick-up in the House for Republicans. That Republican won in a district that is rumored to be on the chopping block. Did he win because Democrats are so utterly disgusted with the Weiner affair? Did he win because he is pro-Israel? Did he win because Republicans always turn out in greater percentages than Democrats? Or is it possible that he may have simply been a better candidate?

If he has some genuinely good ideas along with his fellow winner in Nevada to take to Washington, aren't we all the better for it? If it's more of the same tax cuts for the rich nonsense, then we lose. We really aren't going to know too much more about a referendum on the President, the economic direction of the country, or whether voters like Republican or Democratic ideas until 2012.

In the meantime, we should be rooting for success - not failure. It wouldn't hurt my feelings one tiny bit to say that we pulled out of this mess because the two parties actually worked together for the good of the country.

During the depression government jobs did NOT count towards employment statistics because everyone knew they represent a drain on taxpayers WHY with the same true today do Obama and the Leftists LIE and SAY taxpayer funding "creates jobs?" Isn't it obvious to ANYBODY that these are NOT real jobs because just like "green companies" the jobs DISAPPEAR when the MONEY RUNS OUT? Why do Obama and the progressive democrats EVEN BOTHER TO LIE ANYMORE?

How is Axelrod's statement any different from some Republicans saying they will vote against any tax increase?

Both sides need to stop acting like children and start having some adult conversations. (without all of the politics)

The "scary" thing is that the average American is begining to wake up and realize that our federal government- 1. Is doing a very bad job at everything but keeping themselves in power, 2. Doesn't realize that spending money has to mean that it comes from somewhere.... so where?, 3. Is getting a LOT of things wrong lately- rush to spend on something to find out it was a bad idea or corrupt, rush to endorse a movement overseas to realize later that they are affiliated with terrorists and used us to get into power, set up an international gun smuggling ring to legitimize their anti-gun interests then lie to Congress to cover it up, etc.

What's going on when the average person comes to realize that the federal government can't fix all of their problems- personal debt, job problems, health care costs, quality of education, house value falling vs. loan value, etc.? Does that mean that they might elect someone else whom might start advocating for the country's best interests over either political party's entrenched interests? Eeeek!

Funny thing when you poll people using rational questions- they answer them honestly. Maybe the pollsters and MSN should consider asking "clean/unbiased" questions and see what people really think. Those- Should the EPA clean the air more through new regulations or would you rather have all of your children come down with cancer? questions are pure crap. Layout the issue and ask A FEW questions regarding the main topics, that's not so hard. Well, it would make people read, think, and answer more than one question.....

Oh whaaaaaaaaaaa, in a three way tie with a vote to split, a Dem won. But in a two way tie where the populace is FED UP! Well, somehow that's a friggin' mandate?

If I were Congress, I think they would look at this NY race and say, holy crap - even the diehards are pissed off at our performance,...perhaps we should work to get things done. This jobs bill (or any jobs bill) might be JUST the ticket. But no,...we've got the "Loyal" (and I scoff as I type that) opposition is ALREADY against it. With no alternative plan,...just categorically dismissing it, because (the horror) THAT man may get a win! ****GASP****

The tea leaf readers really need to talk to an expert, I do not think they are reading their leaves any more comprehensively than nojo reads an article for content.

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OMG, Feisty, I see the board police are out enmasse and crying 'foul'! It must really CHAP their asses! What is funny is to the Fear and Smear crowd the conspiracy is so much BETTER than the reality - some libbies just get up earlier, work harder and get the proverbial worm. They haven't figured out a way to buy that real estate, so they piss and moan about you. Priceless!

By the way, we're still laughing over Ross Perot, like you're laughing over Ralph Nader.

AM: I was laughing at both. Kooks are always funny. I just about fell out of my chair laughing yesterday when someone on FR compared Elizabeth Warren favorably to that kook Bernie Sanders!!!

Methinks you assume too much. He was a former Democrat.

AM: So was Rick Perry.

@AM

Both the polls you and Bill cite are right. Most people are concerned about jobs and this should be the first priority of the government. However, that does not mean they support the specific proposals of the Administration.

It's the same with healthcare reform. They wanted reform but that doesn't mean they reform as contained in Obamacare.

hs321:

What you write about schools is pure BS. The failure of the school system has very little to do with the teachers in the system. The fact is a teacher will spend only about one in every ten hours in a year with a student. What do you suppose is happening in the other nine hours? A teacher gets the student 10% of the time. Everyone else gets 90% of the time - and you and your ill-informed brethren somehow conclude that the teacher or the system in which the teacher works is to blame?

The failure of students tracks DIRECTLY to the parents. Here's what comes from parents: Give my kid a calculator in the second-grade. Give my kid a computer. I don't understand why my child has to learn to spell. Why should he learn handwriting? Give him more homework. Never give him a "D" or an "F".

That's the real world, bub. Go to a few school board meetings. Spend a day or two on a school campus and in classrooms. You'll change your tune in a flash. Right now, you don't have a clue.

Going to be hard for Obama to buy the 2012 election now that he has an ineffective track record!

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! Which one of you parrots are gonna rent a room to the obamas in 2012 when they are of the ranks of the unemployed!!!!! Your idiot party couldn't even win back the weiner seat!!!!! My sides are starting to hurt!!!ROFLMFAO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! Spin this one losers!!!!!!!!

Madison why do you continue to spout off about things that you do not know about. What higher energy prices are you talking about moron. Energy prices flucuate constantly. supply and demand controls them. As far as higher health care please the act is not even in effect yet and costs are going up. When will you idiots learn that this country and the world is controlled by The Mighty Corporations and they do whatever they want when they want. Ray and Jim why do you care what feisty writes. Either make a point about. You don't have to read it. I read this everyday and If the story swings left the left writes about it. If the story swings right the righties write about it. No one writes about the stories that upset them.

45-1!

FORTY-FIVE to ONE

Forty-five elections in a row have went to the liberals in NY-9 until Anthony "Look at My Hotdog" Weiner had disgraced them.

Now the Tea Party owns NY too?!?!? Life is getting good

I have a sneaking suspicion there's more to the story than meets the eye. 90 years is a whole lot of time. Oh yes, this is also the first time in over 90 years that NY-9 was FORCED by the government purchase healthcare.

"Pix of dix" and Obamacare are gonna do you liberal socialist in!....lol

MY America aint buying what you're selling!!

Lean Forward!

Anna Molly-

Any possibility of reimposing the disciplined environment in the public schools that provided children with the same fighting chance to learn that we had growing up?

Parents who can afford to do so (like the Obamas) send their children to private school in large part because they know that there will be discipline...and that if their children are a distraction or disruption in the classroom, it will first be addressed in the classroom, then at home afterwards.

In large part, the disciplined environment is what parents are paying for when they send their kids to private school, isn't it?

Why else would folks pay for the priviledge of sending their children to parochial schools affiliated with a faith other than their own?

It is a child's instinct to learn...it's pretty hard as a society to interfere with an inclination as strong as that one.

Our society has managed to do just that.

Impressive.

@David Walker

The fact is a teacher will spend only about one in every ten hours in a year with a student. What do you suppose is happening in the other nine hours? A teacher gets the student 10% of the time.

Next time I get a bad review in work I'll try that excuse.

Using your logic a teacher is not responsible for failure (and by extension success) so why have them at all? Is this an argument that everyone should be home schooled? If failure tracks directly to the parent then same can be said of success and the teacher according to your argument is irrelevant.

GOP winning a senate seat adds heat on the president? See now that is whats wrong with politics. I forgot he is a Democratic President or a Republican President.

Owe how I loathe Party Politics!

Our government isn't made up of representatives it is made up of two corporate parties for corporate campaign donations. Don't forget about those party leaders!

Very interesting results from the NY election. Strange that most of the post above seem to avoid that topic, hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ;o)

Who would expect a stronghold Dem distric would ever vote Republican????

Not sure if this is a reflection on how the nation feels; if so, you think Obama is starting to feel like Bush did?

I still pray for Obama, as well as ALL our leaders. They need to identify who and what is truth and use it to make the right decisions to lead. Both parties needs to discover that the US is stronger when united vs. divided. Most of the post on this page are just hateful, bias monologues.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Can you try to stay on point from now on?

I'm sorry - you must have me confused with someone who you think answers to YOU! lol

I'll write what I want - when I want & where I want...

Don't like it don't read it.. K?

How old are we? Three?!?

lol.....Big girl pants come to mind

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

Apparently a billion here & a billion there doesn’t matter to Eric Cantor when it comes to rebuilding schools…

Except when they're located right here in America!

Heaven forbid we become competitive again with the rest of the world…

What do you phony fiscal hawks have to say about this?

Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) voted for over $120 billion to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, funds that were used to construct and repair schools, roads, bridges, and other critical infrastructure.

Really? That's all you've got? When did Cantor vote on this again? Was it around the same time Obama voted not to increase the debt ceiling because it indicated a failure in leadership?

U.S. House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Monday he will not support President Barack Obama’s proposal to renovate U.S. schools as part of the administration’s bill to spur job growth.

Good...he's representing those that he leads and the majority of the voters instead of following in the footsteps of the President and catering to his campaign contributors and the vocal minority of progressives. What happened to the hundred billion or so in the first stimulus that was dedicated toward rebuilding the schools? What about the $26 billion that was approved last year?

I can't wait til the figure out that Solyndra donated about a million of that loan back to Obama's campaign.....nothing like using taxpayer money to pay for your reelection....by the way, isn't that money laundering?

Well, we know the Nasty Redhead is lurking around FR. She just reposted her collapsed opening post down in the #2 posts. Looks like the last Weiner joke being played on her and Barry in yesterday's election might have caused a momentary fit of reason. I'm not a Republican, but, if it knocks some sense into Nasty's head, I just might have to go out and start campaigning for a few of them in the 2012 election.

Alan, NJ

Let's just start with this. I don't have my own logic. Logic is logic. What I stated was factual. If you have a beef with facts, stick to that.

A classroom teacher cannot teach WITHOUT support from parents. (Read Mixed Bag's post at 1.73.) That is the crux of the whole issue.

If a student is successful, OF COURSE the parents deserve credit. Did I suggest otherwise? Hell no. You come here in "Argument mode". I don't have time to waste on that nonsense.

Did you hear the news? A Repub won in New York and he wasn't a DOUSCHE BAG PARTY member. Get some actual conservatives in here as opposed to these spoilt brat, anti-economy bagger MORONS

Spanky said: "You know I thought it'd be the gun runner scam that was was going to wreck Obama, and of course Holder, but now I'm thinking it'll be solar panels."

LMAO!!!! GREEN jobs- the very thing he loves so much- will be Obama's undoing!

Post #1 Voice of the DNC ...

If a student is successful, OF COURSE the parents deserve credit. Did I suggest otherwise? Hell no. You come here in "Argument mode". I don't have time to waste on that nonsense.

Nothing to do with argument mode. You really don't like being questioned do you? You make a statement that professional, a teacher, is not responsible for the success or failure of their end product, the student and then expect it to be accepted with no argument. This is just typical of people who are rooted in their beliefs and do not like it when they are questioned.

That's why I came here because there are people who have different opinions than I have. If I cannot justify my opinions then they cannot be supported. I like my opinions to be challenged, you obviously don't. This is how I change and adjust my world view...by listening to the opinions of others.

..or do you just think you're the smartest guy on the board?

Wow! Two election results and the righties are out in force. Crowing, collapsing, name calling, jeering.

We on the left understand you hate us. We understand you loathe the President. We understand you champion your own causes. But could you please not drag the country down the drain?

We can see that you want to concentrate on the sensational issues. We can see that you want to ignore the basic problems, the opinions of experts. You are on your own agenda. But could you pleas not drag the country down the drain?

We are willing to work with you despite the fact that you are not willing to work with us. Or anyone else. Or even each other. But could you please not drag the country down the drain?

How sad.

Did you hear the news? A Repub won in New York and he wasn't a DOUSCHE BAG PARTY member. Get some actual conservatives in here as opposed to these spoilt brat, anti-economy bagger MORONS

Did you hear the news? Turner may have turn down the endorsement of the Tea Party but he backs all of the same things. No new taxes, cut Federal spending, reform SS and medi, pro-gun, pro-life. The dems have managed to turn "Tea Party" into a bad word with their rhetoric but they clearly have not squashed the ideas along with the name.

Spanky-

Ah, look at the old gal - it's all about Cantor now is it dear?

I bet Cantor is just trying to save money for more great solar panel loans.

Spanky- I bet not.Try the Koch brothers.
They don't want good paying green tech jobs in the US because that would hurt their bottom line. They are sellers of foreign oil and refiners of foreign oil products. Green technology, conservation, energy efficiency, restrictions on carbon emissions, regulations regarding air and water pollution, all of which would lead to many, many American jobs would hurt their business interest in selling you and dirty oil from the holdings abroad, and dirty oil products that they refine

In 2011, with gas prices spiking again, and America ever more reliant on oil imports, is it any surprise that the Koch Brothers have been fighting tooth and nail against government/private funded research and development pf green technologies. Last year the Kochs were the primary sponsor of the referendum that sought to repeal California's "Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006" which requires cuts to carbon emissions and investment in green technologies.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/12/955734/-Green-diary-rescue:-Koch-Bros-have-it-in-for-us-in-more-ways-than-one

I never have been able to ascertain what irony

@Backcountry: OH REALLY, THIS IS THE BAG PARTY? "No new taxes, cut Federal spending, reform SS and medi, pro-gun, pro-life"

NEGATIVE

Dousche Baggers have turned the word conservative into "military hating, no work in congress, don't give Americans any jobs, hurt the USA economy, and act like a flaming a-hole."

Turner is NONE of these things.

Go back to that shack! You can vote, but maybe you shouldn't?

Spanky- I bet not.Try the Koch brothers.
They don't want good paying green tech jobs in the US because that would hurt their bottom line. They are sellers of foreign oil and refiners of foreign oil products. Green technology, conservation, energy efficiency, restrictions on carbon emissions, regulations regarding air and water pollution, all of which would lead to many, many American jobs would hurt their business interest in selling you and dirty oil from the holdings abroad, and dirty oil products that they refine

So Bev how does this help in a global economy? Won't their business be affected by all these cheap solar panels flooding in at subsidized prices from China? Or are they currently undermining the global solar panel business? Or, are solar panels just not cost effective yet?

Alan, NJ:

Go back and read the post that started this. HS321 talked about the "school system", not the students. That is what I addressed. Further into the post, I spoke of the students and linked THEIR performance to their parents.

I have no problem making points to support MY opinions and MY statements. I am not going to try to support your arguments. That's your job.

Believe it or not fielden- the conservatives don't hate the left- they hate the PROGRESSIVE left. There is a difference.

Once upon a time not so very long ago- the Democratic party was a party who cared for people AND were fiscally sound. Then the social agenda took root and flash forward 50 or so years and we have the extreme progressive left that doesn't understand that those ideas are bankrupting the country. I personally believe they DO understand that and want it to happen- so that this socialist Utopia can be installed where we are all equal and fair and unicorns and rainbows rule the day! Forget budgets- there is an endless supply of cash- why- we'll just print MORE!!! See? endless supply!! That scenario is NEVER going to happen!

Let's be fair and look at the other side- the Republicans. Used to be fiscally conservative. Used to ansewr to the people. They're okay with the idea of social safety nets as long as they were paid for but smaller government was the rule of the day. Flash forward to today where the Republican Congress under Bush spent like there was this endless supply of $$ & the Liberals were MORE than happy to help!! Then the Liberals really took over and they made the Republicans looks like misers! The Republicans still would like to spend except for the extreme right- the Tea Party- which would like to get back to a zero balance on the books and have the government work the way it's supposed to- where they work to common problems and find common solutions- as long as it goes their way. I do believe the Tea Party has gone a little too strong to the right- but the idea is correct- we MUST get back to a fiscally sound government that understands that WE the people are the masters and they are the servants. That they are spending OUR $$ not the governments. Since the government has no money making ventures out there it is safe to say that 100% of the money coming in is OURS. They must be better stewards of it.

At some point- the Progressives need to be rooted out of the Democratic party- they have no place there because proigressivism is dangerous for this country. That very next step is full blown socialism. The Republicans needs to start acting like real Republicans again and find the bottom line while not forgetting that there are real people out there that must listen to. Fortunately the Tea Party now is beginning to outnumber the Liberals in America and it frightens the Libs. They are seeing the dream slip away. If the Dems were smart- they would abandon this idea of Progressivism and go back to their roots and become fiscally sound again before all hope is lost. Republicans must understand that there are people out there hurting and need to be taken care of until they find there feet again.

Now what does that mean for Obama? He's a progressive- YOU make the call...

Mixed Bag:

Any possibility of reimposing the disciplined environment in the public schools that provided children with the same fighting chance to learn that we had growing up?

You mean like my third grade teacher who used soap and a ruler? LoL

Didn't work then, either.

As a former teacher, I'm all for discipline in schools. But that's not totally the responsibility of schools. Maybe we should start with having parents and society as a whole think about THEIR role in children's behavior at schools.

As David so aptly points out, teachers only have students for a small part of the students' time each day. By high school, any single teacher has any single student for only about 5 percent of that child's day. And, in addition, they also have 30 to 40 other students whose needs they have to meet. Some of those students will have special needs. Chances are the classroom is underfunded for materials, so the teacher has to make do. Administrators tend to be wimps, so in many cases, you get no help there when you have a discipline problem. Often, you are left on your own to battle it out with the parents should you dare to point out to them that little Johnny is obnoxious, and his behavior is not only making you tear your own hair out, but causing other students to be distracted from their education as well.

Sometimes, as happened in the case of my own daughter, little Johnny threatens and harasses other students, as well as his teachers. Little Johnny's parents tend to blame his behavior on the teacher, even though if you check little Johnny's records, you most often find that little Johnny has been giving everyone fits since the world began, and his parents can't handle him, either. So they've abandoned him to you.

In my daughter's case, little Johnny's mother was just like that. But after a incident where little Johnny scared my daughter half to death and broke a treasured bead necklace she had been wearing by literally pulling it off from around her neck -- this was third grade, keep in mind -- I made it clear to school officials that if my daughter was ever REALLY hurt through little Johnny's actions, I would hold them personally responsible, and as a lawyer, I wasn't kidding. The response was not to deal with little Johnny's mother or take any real action to make little Johnny behave any better; the response was simply to remove him from that school.

His teacher hugged me. Finally, she was able to teach again. But I rather doubt that anything about the incident actually improved little Johnny's behavior.

If we thought about practical solutions, like bringing classes down to manageable sizes, evaluating teachers' performance early and regularly, giving them the right sorts of non-threatening tools to improve their skills and manage their classrooms, and helping parents understand what they need to do to prepare their children for school, including instilling in them a desire to learn and teaching them respect for their teachers and their fellow students, it might help, just a teensy bit.

Instead, we send our children to school poorly nourished, underprepared, and many times with an uninterested, disrepectful, or combative attitude that they have learned either at home or on the streets. When these students fail, as they inevitably will, we stop our analysis with blaming the teacher, and fail to see beyond the school to the larger societal issue that causes discipline issues in the first place. Because, Lord knows, we don't want to blame ourselves.

This isn't Little House on the Prairie, anymore, Bag Boy. You're dead wrong if you think that every child has an instinct for learning. Or, at the very least, if they do, in many cases, it's gone long before they ever get to school, or it's systematically destroyed by outside forces as they grow up, and nothing -- not even the best of teachers -- will bring that back. Gone are the days when society teaches its children to respect teachers and other students and have a love for learning. Until we put back those values, no amount of "discipline" will make children learn.

The only real difference in parochial schools these days is not that they apply Sister Mary Elephantine discipline. Rather, the difference is that they don't have to accept or retain problem students. They abandon the problems to the public schools, and then complain about the public schools.

Anna Molly..."On second thought, I suspect that for you, science is all hooey, anyway."

ROTFLMAO!!!...You suspect wrong....I have a degree in Geophysics!!!

I had math and science in school. The basic stuff that gets you ready for college.

David Walker..."The failure of students tracks DIRECTLY to the parents."

Sir, I agree with you that parents, or lack thereof, is a big part of the problem.

But to say the current school system isn't part of the problem is disingenuous at the least. Most schools in America do have quality teachers, I have good friends that are some of them, but to say the school system isn't part of the problem in many areas is to totally ignore the recent situation like that in Atlanta were corrupt teachers and administrators were passing kids that did not deserve to pass. Atlanta is certainly not the only place that is occurring.

My point is, is that system needs to be fixed and throwing more money at it IS NOT the solution.

Never mind the redhead people. As she stated she can do what she wants, when she wants and post what she wants.

If she chooses to be delusional with perceived power let her make a fool of herself. I think she is hilarious and has chosen a life of hypocrisy and ignorance. Read her post everyday and you know she is miserable. I guess I would be as well if my undying support was wasted on a failure.

As far as the Democrats losing a 90 year seat, that says it all. Americans are sick of coddling cry babies. Time to ween you off the pacifiers.

Anna Molly:

Wow! 1.93 was positively awesome. I don't know if I'd call administrators wimps. I'd say they are spineless sops who don't have a clue about what goes on in classrooms. Their concern is getting paid on a per student basis, telling teachers to enforce rules without expecting support from administrators, and feeding worthless numbers to school boards.

School board members' primary duties include kowtowing to parents whose nasty little offspring have been maligned for, oh I don't know - bullying other kids, cheating, stealing, and vandalizing. Another duty includes accepting figures from administrators and pretending they understand how those numbers translate into children.

It is blindingly obvious that the vast majority of people who have withering criticism for schools have no contact at all with the schools, the boards, and the administrators.

I know if I were to go back meet with some of my teachers, my first words would be, "I am so sorry." I honestly had no idea how tough their job is - until I tried it myself.

The best line I heard that describes the Tea Party is: "The party that started against death panels has now turned into a death panel themselves."

Two debates... TWO DEBATES... now where the Tea Party has risen to thunderous applause over the thought of killing people.

First, the Republican debate where it was stated that Texas executed over 250 death row inmates (including innocent men). The Tea Party rose an overwhelming cheer that can only be matched by the ancient Romans in the coliseum. They were not humble. There was no somber respect for the necessary evil that we must sometimes do to protect ourselves. No, there was a thunderous applause and a heart-wrenching cheer.

Second, the CNN Tea Party and Republican debate posed the question of what to do with someone who needs emergency medical care and does not have insurance. The quote: "Should we just let him die?" And again, the Tea Party rose to scream "YES!"

That's right... this party of Christian morals how now cheered and applauded death and killing TWICE. They actually want people to die. Personally, I am absolutely disgusted that any of the Tea Party members would call themselves "Christian". They are so far removed from Jesus and his teachings that there is nothing Christian about them. There is no compassion, no love, no good in their hearts. They are full of blood lust and greed, cheering over the mere mention of fellow Americans dying.

Where are the good GOP members of old, the ones who actually had compassion for other people? When will we take back our party from those who have driven themselves into a blood frenzy? When will we stop these extremists who would freely allow people to die, then cheer for it? When will the good people stand up against those who love death?

Spanky-

NY-9 is important because of the jewish vote.

Obama has made many mistakes. But the call for 1967 borders was huge insofar as it highlights how utterly short sighted he is.

Plus you just don't mess with the jews over stuff like that, ever.

• #1.28- Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:42 AM EDT

Damn it I hate to have to agree with Spanky, but he did hit the nail right on the head The President had no business saying what he said, at the moment he did about the God damn border lines in Palestine and Israel. This loss is nothing but a punishment for our increasingly weaker and accommodating President. Mr. President I been a fierce defender of your ideology and politicts, but now is time for you to Man up, shut up and, fight fire with fire, there's no more time for Mr. Nice Guy... Please wake the F@$% up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A bad day for Obama is a good day for the average hard working American........... Looks like it's not such a good day for "Fiesty" either.......

Backcountry: OH REALLY, THIS IS THE BAG PARTY? "No new taxes, cut Federal spending, reform SS and medi, pro-gun, pro-life"

NEGATIVE

Dousche Baggers have turned the word conservative into "military hating, no work in congress, don't give Americans any jobs, hurt the USA economy, and act like a flaming a-hole."

In other words you've bought into the liberal propaganda hook, line and sinker. Did you buy the bridge they were selling also?

LOL! It isn't the liberals who are the problem, it is all the STUPID people who conservatives wanted to get the votes of. It wasn't a bad idea, until the STUPID people wanted to RUN things. Those STUPID people decided to become Doushe Baggers and now they want their asses kissed. Well, it just goes to show you that no good deed goes unpunished.

Thanks for the response, AM...

I agree with a fair portion of it.

Just don't tell me about "non-threatening tools", AM...that's lefty bs. It was the possibility of something beyond the prospect of "non-threatening tools" that kept me in line. And, I'm still regarded as a right-wing, brown-shirted, jack-booted thug in some circles...but, at least I'm not blogging this from prison, AM.

lol

Anyway...

I still think that restoring the absolute authority of teachers in their class rooms is the most doable of the options available to improve the public schools. It's certainly more doable than changing the current state of American society overall, isn't it?

For the students that refuse, for whatever reason, to participate in the effort to educate themselves and their classmates...get rid of them. Move them out of classrooms where they disrupt the efforts of teachers to teach, and students to learn. There will always be those teachers who welcome the challenge of trying to reach kids like that. So, divert them to a different style and regimen of teaching. If that doesn't work...move on. They'll sink or swim eventually...hopefully, the latter.

But, whatever you do, don't destroy the chances the other kids have to learn in an environment conducive to learning.

Finally...you're dead wrong about the eagerness of the overwhelming majority of children to learn every detail about the parameters of the world they live in.

It's part of what being a kid is all about.

:-)

Good to see Bev back with her "feverish fetish with all things Koch" completely intact.... Whew, I don't know what I would do with out that self induced hatred spewing forth everyday... Bless your heart, keep up the good work...

It's pretty scary when you realize that had this guy been in office during the last term, the 9-11 first responders health bill probably wouldn't have been passed. This district went from one of the strongest defenders of the 9-11 rescuers to their worst enemy overnight.

Dang, Feisty...

Don't you have the juice to get your posts "uncollapsed" by Newsvine anymore?

C'mon, Feisty!

You CAN DO IT!

Why the Dems lost Weiner's seat

"Democrats, from the rank-and-file to President Obama, are worried -- as they should be -- about the surprise victory of a novice candidate, Republican Bob Turner, in New York City's 9th Congressional District.

Democrats had every advantage they could have asked for. They outnumber Republicans 3-to-1 in a district Dems have held since 1923. They vastly outspent Turner and the GOP, and even called in big guns like ex-President Bill Clinton and Gov. Andrew Cuomo to campaign for the losing Democrat, state Rep. David Weprin.

But they still lost.

...

Weprin's strategy largely consisted of calling Turner a tea party candidate and pledging allegiance to the Democratic line, on the assumption that his party's election machinery and support from unions would win the day."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/14/opinion/louis-new-york-election-upset/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Perhaps Weprin should have recognized something was wrong when Turners own campaign was also to call himself a Tea Party candidate and point out Weprins willingness to be a spineless Dem yes-man.

Apparently a billion here & a billion there doesn’t matter to Eric Cantor when it comes to rebuilding schools…

Except when they're located right here in America!

We spend more on education than any other nation. And we continue to fall behind, thanks to the NEA and the school administrations.

What's the best equipped building in a school district? The Administration building!!

Heaven forbid we become competitive again with the rest of the world…

We cannot be competitive until we stop being extorted by union goons.

Oh, and we need to manufacture things again too...

What do you phony fiscal hawks have to say about this?

The sooner we rid ourselves of the neo-Socialists and the unions, the better for the USA.

Feisty: Isn't that the line most people are using when talking about Obama?

I find it disgusting that we live in the richest country in the world and we even have to have these kinds of discussions Red. The idea that we have to beg our Representatives to do the right thing just boggles the mind.

My gosh - all this complaining about what the GOP is doing. It really seems as though the liberals on this board are doing their level best to.... what is it you are doing? You don't get to choose the republican candidate... all your complaining is for naught.

I notice the GOP won Weiners seat... glad that hot dog is gone... I wonder what this means... a GOP candidate won a seat held in a very strong democratic district... Maybe your fellow democrats don't even support your wild and crazy assertations... Have you ever considered that all this crap posted by liberals is just that... crap

You don't know a lot about volunteer fire departments, do you? Well, about 70% of the fire departments in this country ARE volunteer departments- which get their funds from their municipalities, and which hold fundraisers - like weekly bingo games, yearly fairs, Chinese Auctions, and 50-50s, to get the funds to buy equipment not covered by their yearly budget amounts.

Like, new hoses.

They also hold fund drives every year, wherein the community gives tax deductible donations to their local fire department.

So they have the funds to buy things, like new hoses.

Look at that! My own local just got a check from my husband and me!

Things are pretty bad in Obama land. Loses a seat in a district that is 3to1 democrats by 8 points. Loses a seat in a district that is 3to 1 republican by 22 points.

Two polls (CNN and Bloomberg) show that his new spending plan is about as popular as his HCR plan, and his job approval is sinking under the weight of his latest battle cry- Pass It Now.

Most people will pass on Obama, instead.

On top of this, yet more evidence of his failure- the highest level of poverty since the Census Bureau has been tracking it. 52 years, and he managed to attain the highest level of poverty EVER. Disgraceful. Added to the list of his other failures, I find it difficult to believe anybody could possibly support him,

There's a new campaign song sweeping the nation, goes like this-

He ain't gonna win,
Cause all he's got is spin
Ba-rack, Ba-rack, Ba-rack Barack Barack.

Obama shelved in 2012.

Ahhh Fiesty - back to the personal attacks I see. I guess you just can't help yourself. Does this mean the truce is over? You get snarky with me yesterday and I let it pass. Now today you call me a pathetic human being... what a sound argument... namecalling. Your ideology has removed all your dignity. Your additions to this board are only a thug namecaller. Do you ever come up with anything other than sitting there calling other people names? What a great purpose in life. My 9 year old granddaughter can do that with the same intent and insignificance as you. Can you ever rise above the banal, shrill, screaching, hateful (all descriptive words) scared person that you are?

she is upset because Obama is done and Chicago is spending money to put 10 years of arrests online. Hey Feisty don't worry about nothing go get laid!

We can't keep running $1 Trillion+ deficits and borrowing 40 cents on each dollar we spend...we must get our deficits under control or it will sink this country. Every bill that is passed that increases spending on a project, should also show how it will pay for it without raising the deficit. In theory I could agree to short-term deficit increases for specific projects, but since government doesn't seem capable of being responsible with my tax money, I'm against any more deficit spending.

If we want to spend more on first responders - fine - lets take money from other projects to pay for it.

Uh Nojo I live in a rural location. As such I'm a member of my local Volunteer Fire Dept. I am also a Certified EMT. I am also a member of the National Volunteer Firefighters. So yeh maybe I do know about Volunteer Fire Depts. As I say you better hope your Mama's are good cooks 'cause while Bake Sales can raise thousands it's gonna take a lot of Talent to raise Millions. If you feel your up to the task why you just have at it Deary.

No, CKSM, that's the line everyone who has the ability to think for themselves uses to describe the GOPTP

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Jody, did you see that on thinkprogress??

Job 1, that the way. Just ignore the truth. You are better off that way. Make sure you hold your breath, I wouldn't want you to get sand in your nose.

Hey, mean-oldsoul-less1

John Kerry and Al Gore came back from Vietnam committed Democrats, Dick Cheney and George W Bush were the same generation, never made it to Vietnam, and remained Republicans. Think about that next time you want to paint Democrats with the "anti-military" smear. Do I really have to dust off the list of Republicans who deigned not to serve in combat while Democrats did?

Going to be hard for Obama to buy the 2012 election now that he has to run on an ineffective track record!

GOP winning a senate seat adds heat on the president? See now that is whats wrong with politics. I forgot he is a Democratic President or a Republican President.

Owe how I loathe Party Politics!

Our government isn't made up of representatives it is made up of two corporate parties for corporate campaign donations. Don't forget about those party leaders!

Fisty Redhead,

You are correct in your observation that Americans are suffering under this president.

Americans are also tired of the empty rhetoric coming out of DC. Obama has begun to parody himself. The man professes, during the debt ceiling debate, to seek balance. Then, less than a month later, he proposes a $450 Billion dollar spending bill for more of his wrong-headed, big government, debt increasing "jobs" creation. In the meantime, he lectures European nations that their mounting government debt will lead to default on loans that will threaten the global economy. What the hell? Does he even listen to himself or is his teleprompter stuck on "spin the BS"?

redwig just doesn't get it! She's become irrelevant, a reflection of this administration's failed agenda! Nobama, no b.s.! Unable to defend the appointed one, she continues a meaningless and tactless tirade against Eric Cantor, eh? Cantor has nothing to do with obama's problems... it's the liberal agenda that is the real problem! The country is fed up!

Fiesty I'm not concerned over your loss of sleep... you can freely sleep or not sleep depending on the ghosts that keep you awake. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem. I didn't say anything about people suffering. My post was all about how the liberals are whining about nothing they can control. None of you hard left people will ever vote for a republican in either the primary or the general election. We already know you are going to support Obama no matter what he does. It would do you much better to get off the attack mode and try to convince those of us what Obama has done good for this country in his term. Instead you use negative tactics that make you look both immature and for the lack of a better word... stupid.

Poor feisty, I almost feel sorry for her -nahhh

You see Ron for some reason you think that getting our deficit under control is more important than jobs. Where were you in 2004 when we had jobs and the deficits were out of control. That was the time to talk about the deficit not while there is 9.1% unemployment. You people are idiots. You still think being a repub or a dem matters.

Then Fiesty thinks more of herself than the average grub. She says: They follow me around like lost little puppies looking for a leg to ride! ;o)

She says this after she tosses the first salvo at me. Fiesty - I leave you alone. I have no desire to get snarky replies, nasty name calling from you, and I don't need to peek into your warped ideology. I don't have a masochistic bone in my body... being tortured by your put downs and name calling are something I avoid... If I want to be tortured, I'd hire Helga the Human Sufferer.

I LOVE IT!

Feisty, you are so 'irrelevant' no less than a dozen bozos can't wait to type your name! You are living RENT free in the space they SHOULD be using for critical thinking,...

ENJOY!

Enough with the bickering. Now is the time to pay attention to Greece, what is happening there and why they are in the boat they're in. Much of it has to do with the government, borrowing to pay for programs and benefits that look good and sound good but are impossible to pay for. Much of it has to do with government overreach and shenanigans with the money, hiding costs and funding projects that go nowhere.

Rather than whineing and name calling, perhaps the adult thing to do is figure out which politicans are actually of benefit and which are merely drones and party hack and get rid of the drones. I know it is difficult, some of the dinosaurs live in braindead districts, but once those areas feel the pinch they might be looking for some fresh ideas and better candidates.

I don't agree with all the republicans are doing and I feel the same about the democrats. I don't follow party lines, I look at the candidate. Perhaps we should be looking at the candidates, their track records and also look outside the parties, time to get off platforms that don't work.

I stand amazed every day when I see that not every rat has abandoned the Obama sinking ship. They take the blame that is CLEARLY Obama's and try to blame EVERYONE but him. He has done NOTHING to improve the economy, but has heaped tons on debt on our children and grand children, devalued the dollar, increased the dependency on federal government, and in a word, "FAILED" the American people on the economy, foreign policy, and every area that he has touched. Clearly Obama is the WORST president in history. No matter how many rats try to keep his bloated ship from sinking.

Wow! Two election results and the righties are out in force. Crowing, collapsing, name calling, jeering.

We on the left understand you hate us. We understand you loathe the President. We understand you champion your own causes. But could you please not drag the country down the drain?

We can see that you want to concentrate on the sensational issues. We can see that you want to ignore the basic problems, the opinions of experts. You are on your own agenda. But could you please not drag the country down the drain?

We are willing to work with you despite the fact that you are not willing to work with us. Or anyone else. Or even each other. But could you please not drag the country down the drain?

How sad.

I'm kind of feeling sorry for Feisty. I mean, damn, it must really suck to wake up every day and know you are on the wrong side of facts, the wrong side of reason, and the wrong side of logic, that all you have going for you is vileness. But looked at another way she might just be stupid enough to NOT know she is wrong on everything. I don't believe in God, but if she does then maybe He did her a favor by giving her such a small and incurious brain.

robiscoole,

I was also against the deficits last decade (and most of GWB's policies). I agree we need to focus on jobs, and the way I would do that is through tax and regulatory reform. We need to make businesses want to operate in this country again - especially manufacturing. We have structural issues in our economy that need to be addressed. Things such as the latest Obama jobs bill are only short term solutions. In the short term I'm fine with government programs to ensure nobody is hungry or homeless.

I can also support reallocating existing money for infrastructure projects that promote future private sector job growth. Let's pull out of the middle east faster than planned, and use some of that savings on infrastructure projects. Let's take some of the money spent on spying on Americans and use that for infrastructure. Let's end the war on drugs and spend that money on infrastructure. There are lots of ways to pay for jobs plans using the existing budget - the solution doesn't always have to be to raise taxes.

By the way, I am not a rep or dem - I'm an independent that voted for Obama and Kerry. You can also call me an idiot because I disagree with you - it doesn't matter to me. But, my suggestion is to always remain open to other ideas - I often find hidden gems of wisdom when discussing things with people I disagree with.

Clara KCMO

I LOVE IT!

Feisty, you are so 'irrelevant' no less than a dozen bozos can't wait to type your name! You are living RENT free in the space they SHOULD be using for critical thinking,...

ENJOY!

Yup Clara - We're allllll busted here on FR........we're paying attention to Crusty.

The same way you take a mutt and rub her face in her own sh!t to teach her not to sh!t there....lmao....I mean that's paying attention to the b!tch as well, isn't it?!

Yep....we're "paying attention" to Crusty.

NY-26 is the pile-o-sh!t and Crusty Redhead is the mutt.....figuratively speaking of course...*wink wink*

Lean Forward!

I look at things this way if the election were held today democrats would likely lose depending on the GOP nomiee but the election isn't for another 14 months and a lot can happen between now and then. If republican's win next year democrats will take a page out of their playbook and fillibuster and obstruct absolutely everything. Then they will get absolutely nothing done. Then the democrats will win again in 2016. This is a vicious cycle and whats going to happen is the country will have to be governed by executive order and that is very dangerous territory.

Does anyone really believe that this new jobs proposal is going to create jobs? Seriously? The first stimulus package created nothing but multi-million bonuses for the executives on Wall Street who received the money. Good thing they were able to borrow taxpayer money to stay rich. Never mind every time Nobama wants to stimulate the economy, only the Super Rich benefit. Are we sure he's a Democrat? Because he can support Corporate America just as well as the GOP/TP.

Ron-- I will say that I do not think that we will ever have a DHS or a Military budget that is resonable again. Everyone is scared to live now and they think that it makes them safer. So I dont think the cuts will come from there, I am just frightened of where the cuts come from. I would rather have a strong school system than bases overseas. Where we differ is Taxes I believe that it is our obligation to pay taxes and i do not believe that raising them to pay for relief funds or schools is a bad thing.

Jolly talking about the dems dishonoring vets returning from Vietnam is somewhat interesting. I'm not sure how he was involved with any of this as it seems he was getting shots at the dispensary after visiting the whore houses in SE Asia according to his previous postings...................Jolly another TP member who is for 'family values"

cstubbles,

According to the CBO, IHS/Global Insight, Macroeconomics Advisers, and Moody's Economy, the first round of stimulus created jobs. I hate the victimized rich elite as much as any median household income, but I do try to make sure to give credit where credit is due.

Why do ALL media outlets rely so much on these 'polls'? Can anyone answer that? These polls are done with a minority of people. Seems to me the media is determined to sway people into believing something that may not be true. I for one, will NOT BE SWAYED by a poll, one district, one State, or by a few person's words. I am intelligent and can research and make my own informed decision. Unlike many I have seen on various blogs. It amazes me to see the lack of common sense and ignorance of not only MANY POLITICIANS but many in the public sector as well. It's a Pied Piper affect; along with the lemmings cliff march. If humans were placed here by intelligent design - aren't they to be more intelligent than all other animals? If humans are here based on evolutionary means - wouldn't they be more intelligent now than 1000's of years ago? Either way, I see less and less intelligence emerging and more ignorance abounding as the U.S. declines due to the wishes, lies and sway tactics of a few. And the lack of intelligence and common sense in the majority of people to believe everything they read.

I am amazed. It appears that the one single thing Obama could do to help this nation is send some of the posters here to college, get an education, then post.

Obama has NOTHING to do with job creation nor does the Senate nor does the House.

There are only THREE things Obama can support to help the job issue.

1. Put tarrifs back in place to protect US jobs.

2. End the FED

3. Kick the Illegals out

That is it. Period. Nothing else is in his power to impact our current situation.

It is amazing how dumb a group of people can be. That 420+ billion is nothing but a pork barrel and the removal of the unemployment as we know it. It makes more red tape for people to actually use unemployment. The only issue currently with unemployment is they extended it forever.

Yeah Yah people need the money cause they lost their job...the Jobs lost is because of the first three items I posted. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Mark,

I agree. Government is not responsible for job creation except when they do the actual hiring. The fact that small government types are asking for Obama's head on a platter for not creating jobs sincerely baffles me.

Mr. President,

You have shown ineptness, clueless behavior, broken promises, lack of leadership, and I could go on and on and on.

Even Democrats, Republican and Independents see this in You, and YOUR administration.

The Nation is seeing YOU for what YOU are. I won't miss You when YOU leave in 2012.

"a new poll shows that 51% of Americans don’t believe his jobs plan will help lower the unemployment rate; and a congressional hearing today is looking into the administration’s half-billion-dollar loan via the first stimulus to a solar-panel manufacturer, Solyndra, that later went belly up."

What's the opposite of the "Midas Touch"?

Perhaps we should have elected someone that had actually accomplished something, instead of someone whose whole resume was merely running for political office.

The nice thing about the political process is that we finally got the "Historic First Black President" thing out of the way, and we can now find someone that is actually competent. Unfortunately, the $4 Trillion PLUS that he added in only 3 years will linger on for decades. I'm sure our children and grandchildren will say "What were you thinking?".

Good on Cantor for cutting the First Responders budget! Let the localities flip the bill...

Not a single GOP/TP supporter here will comment on Cantor... not a single one.

You actually support a man who votes to send MORE money to Afghanistan, but wants to cut those in need in our own country.

The first responders from 9/11 are dying, and you don't care. You support a man who wants to turn his back on them. People are struggling from a natural disaster, and you don't care. You support a man who turns his back on them. Our emergency personnel put their lives on the line, and you don't care. You support a man who wants to cut them.

Instead of answering the question about Cantor, you change the subject to Obama. What's wrong? Afraid of the answer? Afraid to defend this vile, evil, corrupt, disgusting individual?

Come on ROY, Rich, Denis, Brianb... explain why you support Cantor. Explain why you want to cut funding to the brave men and women who put their lives on the line. Explain why you want to stop helping those who are the FIRST to help others in need. Explain why your greed is more important than human life. Explain why you support a man who sends more money to foreign countries than those who need it here.

"a new poll shows that 51% of Americans don’t believe his jobs plan will help lower the unemployment rate; and a congressional hearing today is looking into the administration’s half-billion-dollar loan via the first stimulus to a solar-panel manufacturer, Solyndra, that later went belly up."

What's the opposite of "The Midas Touch?".

Well, now that we've gotten past our 'feel good' moment about electing the "Historic First Black President", perhaps we can get back to electing someone that is actually competent, as opposed to someone with absolutely no qualifications, other than running for political office.

At least we get to correct our mistakes every 4 years, but unfortunately, out children and grandchildren will be stuck with the $7 Trillion in new debt that Obama will leave them by the end of 2012 ($4.6 Trillion so far since the end of fiscal year 2008, plus the $2.4 Trillion debt limit increase to get past the 2012 elections).

Newly-Independent "Not a single GOP/TP supporter here will comment on Cantor... not a single one."

What's to comment on - he is not in a position to do anything except talk - come to think of it, that's true of Obama too now.

Amateur hour in the White House can not end soon enough. Too bad we have to endure it for 4 years.

Sorry but I had to re-post this comment since the Tea-pubs collapsed the tread where it was originally posted.

Spanky-

NY-9 is important because of the Jewish vote.

Obama has made many mistakes. But the call for 1967 borders was huge insofar as it highlights how utterly short sighted he is.

Plus you just don't mess with the Jews over stuff like that, ever.

• #1.28- Wed Sept 14, 2011 9:42 AM EDT

Damn it I hate to have to agree with Spanky, but he did hit the nail right on the head The President had no business saying what he said, at the moment he did about the God damn border lines in Palestine and Israel. This loss is nothing but a punishment for our increasingly weaker and accommodating President. Mr. President I been a fierce defender of your ideology and politics, but that's about to change, now is time for you to Man up, shut up and, fight fire with fire, there's no more time for Mr. Nice Guy... Please wake the F@$% up Mr. President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#1.99- Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:00 PM EDT

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ROY -

So you support him. You support a man who wants to turn his back on those who risk their lives for yours. You support a man who would rather send more money to foreign countries then help those in his own country. You support this evil man who would rather let first responders to 9/11 die than spend an additional penny on them.

This is who you support. What type of person does that make you?

he is not in a position to do anything except talk - come to think of it, that's true of Obama too now

You are absolutely right. Congratulations from FINALLY understanding 3rd grade civics. We live in a 3 branch government where the president... ANY president... can only talk if he does not have the support of the other 2 branches.

Thank you, captain obvious.

The teaser for this article is, "

"Today is 'pile on Barack Obama Day"

Is this unfair to pile on the president? I think not, it is past time.

In his hubris, he refuses to be accountable for his actions. We have had years of his childish finger pointing. "He did it."

The media has given him and his cabinet and his white house a free ride. With their "he can do no wrong" attitude; as we have watched our great nation continue to slide into a deeper and deeper pit. However, "it's not his fault."

That Solyndra blew one half a billion dollars in a couple of years of tax-payers money is not his fault either. "Here is the money boys and girls you are on your own." No over sight from any of the many czars sitting high in the white house. What is their pay, by the way, are they on the standard GS level system? How many can you name and what it is they are being paid to do? Is there a market for solar panels in our country today? Can the average consumer afford them even with the massive tax write-offs? This is very much like his great ideas for Siemens to design and help build the "high-speed" trains. A few lines here and there when we need to improve what we have and work them so that the price of a train ticket is affordable. The last time I checked it was $170.00 from Atlanta to Washington; 600 miles. This is not competitive with the cost of driving a car. He speaks of the infrastructure, perhaps our old and dying trains would be a good place to start. Jobs and more jobs.

Who is his hero? It seems like FDR. I recall the first time money was Taken for me, my money, in order to pay into social security. My reaction then was what in the hell is this? This is my money. Who is going to invest my money and in what better than I can? No one. The reason is because I would invest it in myself and my business. I had a personal reason to keep my own, hard earned dollars.

So, the second thing Obama does as president, after raising the federal tax on cigarettes, is to set to work on a national health care. Over a year was spent on this as Americans were growing poorer, loosing more jobs and homes, getting hungry as the price of food soared, as well as the cost of gasoline and all petrol related items.

There is only one thing in our country that I would even consider nationalizing. That is the oil that lies beneath our ground and seas. My reason behind that is because I believe that The Lord made the oil and it should belong to all of us, not some companies who had nothing to do with making it. Don't the citizens of Alaska get a check every year for the oil pumped our of their state? That would be a great strategy; to pump the OPEC nations dry and them we the people own the massive reserves of America; we could name our price and get it.

I am not "dumping" on the president. He is back in his element, full swing campaign mode.

This man can not even manage his own money in my opinion. Why should he be trying to manage ours or mine? This man spent over one seventh of his annual salary for his vacation to the Vineyard. This would equate to those of you who may gross $50,000 a year to paying about $7,000 for your families 10 day vacation. My guess is that most all would say no to that and find a less expensive place to sleep.

Having read his demand, his new jobs bill, pass it now, two times I see no way that this will create any openings for those who need a job. However, they; the media and the white house have passed over this issue and are speaking only on ways to pay for the plan.I

I will wait for his new book: "My Four Years in the White House."

Not a single GOP/TP supporter here will comment on Cantor... not a single one.

I know, it's disgusting isn't it. Damn them for sticking to the story and not changing the subject to something the liberals can make themselves feel better about after the Presidents "rough news day". <end sarcasm>

Just Obama's Bull Sh*T Plan.

Obama is done, not a chance in 2012 . he is not a leader never was, to worried about show boating and being in the spotlight. how does if feel now you bragged so much about how you didn't need the Republican to pass Obamacare now your pissed off the the Republicans wont play ball with you . how stupid can you be? crying like a baby mommy they Republicans wont play with me. lets work together only when i need your help , oh damn we don't have control of congress anymore what do we do now Nancy? lmao what a joke.

Did you all know that one of the projects the Obama "Stimulus" funded was "The effect of Cocaine on monkeys". I am sure for many of the liberal posters here today supporting Obama, is just their way of saying , "Thanks for the free drugs!!"

Backcountry164-

Keep making excuses for your support of a horrible, evil man. Keep making excuses to divert the conversation from the fact that YOU do not want to support the first responders who are dying. Keep making excuses to hide the fact that YOU support sending more aid to foreign countries than helping the people here who save lives. Keep making excuses to cower from the reality that money is more important to you than the lives of emergency personnel.

If is obvious what type of person you really are.

Did Kaiser at Solyndra use part of the $535 million to make the Obama campaign contribution?

Jhon Smith-2116087 -- You may have noticed Ron Paul was booed when he said terrorism is due to inequality shown to Palestinians. It happens to be the truth, whether conservatives including Jews (Lieberman) agree or not. The rest of the nation, including progressive Jews (Jon Stewart) know that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, US meddling in the Middle East, Bush's use of the word "crusade," etc. is at the basis of hatred toward the US.

Those, who like Glenn Beck, believe in the End Times/Rapture, who want to force prophecies into reality--twisted as it may be--are even worse for the security of our nation. If only we could cast all these false prophets and evil-doers out.

Hey Newly-Independent,

Obama wants to spend more in Afghanistan too, and I support him on that (and that alone sadly) as well. The 9/11 first responders is a very serious issue, but it's not exactly as you describe. The help that the feds are contemplating is more to help out the municipalities involved cover their obligations. The medical costs for all of those involved are already covered, and it's a deceit to imply that without federal help these people won't get medical care.

On natural disasters I completely agree with the idea that the feds should not bail out the states or the people in the states who have suffered. It's a shame that someone's home on the Outer Banks washed away, but there was a risk to living there that anyone with an ounce of common sense should have recognized. The vast majority of those who've lost money due to the disasters should've had insurance, and if they didn't then it's their fault, not mine. If the insurance was too high-priced then it was a sign they should've read that said DANGER. People want to live where they want, fine. Accept all the consequences of that decision and quit whining.

By the look of the post the the Democrats who still believe in the Constitution are separating themselves from left/ Communist/progressive who are trying to hijacking the party. Congressman Turner never held office, he's a businessman OUCH !!!!!!Don't pass Stim. II!!!!!!!

Rich-

The medical costs for all of those involved are already covered, and it's a deceit to imply that without federal help these people won't get medical care.

WRONG. Not all medical costs are covered, cancer is not covered. Furthermore, science has proven that working in that environment (ground zero), for that amount of time, exposed the first responders to cancer-causing substances.

Of course, the Republican's and Cantor's response is that they don't believe in the science that proves this... because their gut feeling tells them something else. So the Republicans (people like you) are basically giving first responders the middle finger and telling them to go "F*** themselves". These people risked their lives to save others, and in the process of doing so they are now getting cancer (proven by science), and you would rather they die instead of paying a few pennies to help.

These people put their lives on the line for others, and you are so full of greed that you won't part with a few extra pennies to help them.

I may not fully support Obama... I may not like Obamacare... I may be an old-school GOP... but I will be damned before I am associated with this new party who cheers for executions, calls out to "let people die", and refuses to lift a finger to help the firefighters and first responders of our country.

Newly-Independent "ROY - So you support him. You support a man who wants to turn his back on those who risk their lives for yours."

I'm all for supporting police and firemen, but I get a little tired of using that as an excuse for spending taxpayer money from every State in the Union for things that only benefit one city. The responsibility of providing the funds to support city services in New York should be borne by the people of New York City, and if necessary, the State of New York. It's been ten years now, and this continued 'giving' is taking funds from equally worthy causes.

Newly-Independent "ROY - So you support him. You support a man who wants to turn his back on those who risk their lives for yours."

I'm all for supporting police and firemen, but I get a little tired of using that as an excuse for spending taxpayer money from every State in the Union for things that only benefit one city. The responsibility of providing the funds to support city services in New York should be borne by the people of New York City, and if necessary, the State of New York. It's been ten years now, and this continued 'giving' is taking funds from equally worthy causes.

Hey Newly,

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Each of the people involved is covered for cancer treatments--none is excluded. The question there is whether it should be a worker's comp claim, or a traditional insurance claim. See, this is my point, you use deceit to make your case. Should the USA pay for the worker's comp side of things? Maybe, but we still don't have the best statistical information to go on here, and even if there is a spike, sadly, for first responders on 9/11 for cancer the question still needs to be asked, and answered, why should the feds pick up the tab?

Rather then stomp your feet and hold your breath while demanding the nation pay these costs because you think it's right, just explain why the feds should pick up the tab and not the existing insurers, both state and local, and private. What irks me is your claim that without dollars from Florida, Arizona, and every other state's people, that these first responders will go without treatment. This is completely false. I don't care that you claim to not fully support Obama, or Obamacare, or that you were a republican before--anyone can say anything here--but I do care that your claim is verifiably false.

Looks like people are really not that keen on "hope and change" anymore. The Jewish and Catholic vote in New York let the president and democrats know, "we don't want you anymore". Those progressive liberals are getting a slap in the face from people who are sick and tired of that agenda being forced upon the conservative, bible believing, people. Don't want your change, because now a days, a lot of the hope is, GONE, for people who are just trying to make it.

JANE

You speak for small (non-union) business owners to. Thank you

Feisty's first post is spot on. This is the true Republican party and what they are all about. Disgusting and yes, it is treasonous.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

Apparently a billion here & a billion there doesn’t matter to Eric Cantor when it comes to rebuilding schools…

Except when they're located right here in America!

Heaven forbid we become competitive again with the rest of the world…

What do you phony fiscal hawks have to say about this?

Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) voted for over $120 billion to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, funds that were used to construct and repair schools, roads, bridges, and other critical infrastructure.

Now, Cantor is opposing President Obama’s proposal to spend $30 billion to modernize 35,000 American schools. Reuters has the story:

U.S. House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Monday he will not support President Barack Obama’s proposal to renovate U.S. schools as part of the administration’s bill to spur job growth.

He added that Obama should focus instead on cutting federal regulations that he says kill U.S. jobs

First the Teapubican's vote to spend trillions to blow then up and then billions to rebuild them...

If only they were that interested in job creation right here at home...

The actions of these rat bastards are bordering treason!!

Rich-

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. There a many, MANY articles that document the first responders being denied cancer coverage. Look it up. There have already been deaths from lack of coverage, and there will be more. You are simply trying to twist the words around to make it seem as if you are not completely heartless. They are being denied coverage, that is a FACT. People are dying while you play political games.

At least be man enough to stand up and yell the same thing the Tea Party yelled at the last debate: "Let them die." That seems to be your new motto.

The Collapse Cowards are ridiculous. If we put up with trolls like Roy, then progressive posts should not be collapsed unless in violation of forum rules. Enough!

Hey Newly,

Please think this through for yourself before you buy into the agitprop you've read. Like this...What public employee union in NYC has a health care benefit package that excludes cancer treatment? And wouldn't a private insurer, in order to deny coverage for cancer that is work related, have to prove that the cancer was, actually, work related? And if that proof was available then would this not be a worker's comp claim payable by the city and/or state of New York and the relevant subsidary agencies? And if such claims were denied by those authorities would they not need proof rebutting the proof that this is wrok related?

I hope such questions don't give you a headache. But, again...did you even try to make your case for why the feds should pay and no one at the state level or below should? Of course not. You can say I hate public sector workers, that I want them to die, whatever. Who cares what you think about those ridiculous ideas? But if you will look at the questions in my first paragraph you will see why I think you are wrong, and it has nothing to do with your claims.

Rich -

Really, that is what you are going with? Assumptions? All of your questions ignore the facts that people ARE getting denied coverage. And... if you could read... you would see that I said the Republicans are claiming the science does not support that it is work related. That is the issue. They are not getting coverage because people question the science around it being "work related". Naturally, you hate science, so you will just support the idea that it can not be proven. And that is what it comes down to. Do we help first responders? Or do we play the traditional political game of science vs. anti-science? Hell, there are Republican candidates that say we need to accept science... and the Tea Party moves against them.

Hey, remember why the Republicans originally opposed the Zadroga bill? What was it they said? Oh ya... it cost too much and they did not agree with the current off-sets to the cost. What were those off-sets? Ending tax loopholes for foreign companies. That's right. The Republicans were more concerned about maintaining tax loopholes and deductions for foreign companies, than helping our own.

Let me repeat that. People like you preferred to give foreign companies tax loopholes instead of helping first responders. Now you probably assume I got this information from some "agitprop" or a liberal/lame-stream media source, right? Well guess what, cupcake? I got that information from your very own Fox News. That's right, the station you drop to your knees and worship every night. I suppose you will call Fox a liberal media source now too, right?

BTW... I didn't simply "say" that you want them to die. Tea Party people like YOU said that. Actually, they yelled it, at the last debate. You should be so proud.

Jolly - you left out the spitting, lack of civility and no one ever thanked them for their service to their country. It was unfortunate for us to have let the politicians take control.

nwnative - an interesting aspect about infrastructure and school construction jobs is the lead time for the projects to start. Roads and bridges only go forward if the states DOT already has projects on the books and ready to start except for funding and permissable weather conditions. This is why in Iowa we only have 2 seasons, winter and road construction. If all the t's haven't been crossed by the DOT and all environmental studies done it could be years before work is started, even then the work is based more on equipment and skilled operators than on unskilled labor.

School construction can take even longer, ask any commercial architect. First the school board identifies what they want done, the architect and structural engr. comes up with drawn plans and at least two 2" thick spec books that defines the standards to be used and allowable equipment. Next the bids are let and the school board comes to the conclusion that plan A is way over budget. You guessed it, revise the plans to plan B and start it all over until the bid is within budget, applies to both new and remodel construction.The winning general contractor knows what there construction personnel capabilities are, schedule accordingly and only hire to fill in gaps.

No denying that jobs will be created, just not the number obama says, unless he does one very important thing. Tell the schools that all funding most be spent within a short time frame.

Remember the earthquake in southern california around the turn of the century? It took out miles of heavily traveled roadways and bridges. Government gave the contractors big financial incentives to be done by a drop dead date. The dates were met due to two factors, hire every man with any type of experience and pay more for concrete that set faster and stronger than what normally would have been used on a bid job.

To bad for obama that he wants to sit back for months at a time ignoring issues until they become a political liability and then rush out screeming, "this must be done today!" Canter and boehner aren't the little obama drone pelosi was when she encouraged signing bills without reading them. Reids tabling current house bills that could also create jobs doesn't speak well for the senate either.

It would behove you to look up what iraq and afganistan has cost the taxpayers over the last 10 years. They are both on the books at about $1.2 trillion, not trillions. btw - there is a caveat here, do you know it? Thanks for the strawman arguments though, surprised you didn't mention throwing granny under the bus as well.

@Newly-"Independent"

Keep making excuses for your support of a horrible, evil man

WTF are you talking about? He's not my representative and I'm not a republican.

It's pretty obvious what kind of person you are. A fruit who’s full of sh!t (independent-ROTFLMAO!!!) and refuses to see the problems with the people YOU support and are desperate to deflect any negative attention they garner on someone else. I'll comment on Cantor when the friggin article is about Cantor. When it's about Obama F'ing up yet again I'll comment on that. Durrrrr

Hey Newly,

No, sigh, I am not asking you to assume anything. I am asking for you to think for yourself first about those questions I posed--the ones you did not answer. No one is being denied care who was a first responder. The feds should not pay because each of them already had their own private policy paid for by their employer, and if this is job related then each is still covered by the worker comp protections they have. Your argument, to the extent one exists, is to lie about what other people think and want, like myself, and to make the emotional claim that because something is good we should all agree with you and want it too.

I have no idea why you'd ascribe to me your claim that someone else wants someone else to die for reasons none of us know, but if this is the extent of your argument then can we do one another a favor and stop this discussion? I've asked you a handful of very simple and reasonable questions, and your replies above are the best you have? Please, by all means, vote for liberals, vote for Obama, vote for serfdom if you want it, but leave me out of it. Is that fair enough?

Why the Dems lost Weiner's seat

"Democrats, from the rank-and-file to President Obama, are worried -- as they should be -- about the surprise victory of a novice candidate, Republican Bob Turner, in New York City's 9th Congressional District.

Democrats had every advantage they could have asked for. They outnumber Republicans 3-to-1 in a district Dems have held since 1923. They vastly outspent Turner and the GOP, and even called in big guns like ex-President Bill Clinton and Gov. Andrew Cuomo to campaign for the losing Democrat, state Rep. David Weprin.

But they still lost.

...

Weprin's strategy largely consisted of calling Turner a tea party candidate and pledging allegiance to the Democratic line, on the assumption that his party's election machinery and support from unions would win the day."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/14/opinion/louis-new-york-election-upset/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Perhaps Weprin should have recognized something was wrong when Turners own campaign was also to call himself a Tea Party candidate and point out Weprins willingness to be a spineless, obedient, unthinking, Dem yes-man.

If only those damn American voters would stop being "obstructionist" to Obama's agenda... do they think they are the boss or something?

Those pom poms getting mighty heavy, eh libbies?

Time for a new picture ont Trapper Keeper, right Amy?

Koch, one of the city's most popular and influential Democrats, played a pivotal role in the race by embracing Turner.

In late July, Koch urged Democratic voters to back Turner to send a message to Obama, as well as the two parties.

Koch wrote that the special election should serve as a "a referendum that will allow the voters of this district, the largest Jewish district in the country, to register a protest against the positions of President Barack Obama and the Republican leadership on a number of key issues."

Koch also has been dismayed with Obama's Mideast policies that demonstrated "open hostility to the State of Israel."

National Democratic organizations pulled out all the stops to counter Turner and supporters such as Koch, pouring more than $600,000 into advertising buys in the waning days of the campaign to help Weprin.

The wig has been knocked off for good! Can't really put a positive spin on this, eh? lmao!

We know all about these Republican "wins" in Maine. In 2010 we got a Teapublican governor and a Republican majority legislature for the first time in decades. The Republicans immediately tried to repeal environmental protections that had passed with bipartisan support in previous years. I'm talking allowing cancer-causing chemicals in children's sippy cups! This was their idea of how to create jobs! A public outcry squashed that initiative, as well as the attempt to create a "teen wage" lower than the minimum wage, a repeal on the ban on billboards and a repeal of the popular bottle deposit bill.

On a lighter note, the Republicans also made the sale of fireworks legal in Maine, against the opinion of the state Fire Marshall and opthamologists groups. A year later, towns across Maine are banning fireworks sales in their districts, cause, you know, we really aren't stupid.

Maybe Amy - You are reading way too much into it. Any source to demonize the republicans from the left will be blown up way out of proportion. Do you honestly think republicans want to harm little children? The only ones I know of that want to harm little children are the democrats that totally support abortion.

BPA is know cancer causing chemical. It was banned from children's sippy cups with bipartisan support. The Republicans tried to repeal that ban. How else can you read that except as Republicans value protecting corporate profit over protecting children's health?

extra! extra! Read all about it! http://bangordailynews.com/2011/02/22/politics/gov-lepage-dismisses-dangers-of-bpa/

The 1 Term 0bama brand is toxic to the Democrat party. If he had any class he would give the LBJ speech of 1968 and bow out to let someone who has a chance to win to run. I hope his ego gets in the way and he gets "shellacked" just like his agenda has been getting rejecting since the 2010 mid terms. 419 days till we end this error.

I lived in Maine for 10 years, Believe me Amy does not speak for the real "Maniac's" Maybe Portland a city so small you blink on the highway and your in Freeport! I've lived all over Maine Phippsburg, Bowdoin, Bailey's Island Calais to name a few. I still have relatives in Bath and her representation is not correct.

jollyoldsoul1

Let me quess, you shared a bottle of coffee-brandy with many a toothless chum while eating food-stamp purchased pork rinds when you lived in Maine. Lots of stupid people in Maine, jolly, I'll grant you that. I'm not surprised you hung out with them. The Klu Klux Klan had 20,000 members in Maine in the 1920's.

Ever read "The Beans of Egypt Maine?" That was a popular novel about an incestuous, dysfunctional "native" Maine family. Sure, we have trash here. Doesn't mean there aren't civilized people in Maine as well. My family goes back to the 1600's, so don't you go casting aspertions on my roots!

Brian--No one supports abortion moron they support the choice of a female. It is funny that Repubs always want small Govt when it suits them, but if they can meddle in females healthcare they are all for it.

Coincidentally the platform that the republican in NY ran on was to push for higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations - that won't fly when Grover gets a hold of him. Weiner was the catalyst in that win, I doubt seriously that I would have voted for another democrat in that circumstance.

The libbies are conspicuously silent defending obama on these issues:

• Demos loss of weiner's seat
• the Solyndra scandal that's about to blow up in obama's face
• the complete lack of interest in obama's faux 'jobs bill'

What's wrong folks.... ? What hyprocrites you seem to be.....

robiscoole said: Brian--No one supports abortion moron they support the choice of a female. It is funny that Repubs always want small Govt when it suits them, but if they can meddle in females healthcare they are all for it.

So tell me robiscoole - by supporting the rights of a woman to choose, does that choice include not having sex, or fertilization protection? When the act is committed and a child is produced, the right of the woman has been used up already. She made a choice in the very beginning... that's the only choice that matters.

Then you liberals want to give her another choice - to kill the baby inside of her. If you can't see that abortion is murder, you are as blind as a mole. Many liberals are all about sweeping it under the rug... killing a baby so the mother won't be inconvenienced... how about that mother not having sex when the obvious result will be a baby. I guess this goes way over your liberal form of thinking. It pretty much falls in line... this is pretty much the same way you treat Obama... sweep all his wrongs under the carpet and ignore them. Your ideology has many flaws and that is the largest among them.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if fata$$ redhead or one of the other parrot bloggers out here will give the obamas a place to live in 2012 since he will be losing his home and job?!!!!! Your pathetic party couldn't even keep the weiner seat!!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMFAO AGAIN!!!!!!!!! My sides are starting to hurt from laughing so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the choice to not be raped, or sexually molested by family, clergy, coach

the choice of free access to birth control

the choice mysogony

what a narrow little window with which you view the world, Brian. get real!

Don't forget about Obama, Holder and Napolitano letting fireaems go across the Border, That are Being used to kill Citizens of both Countries, Also Obama giving back door Amnesty to illegal aliens.

Brianb,

I suppose you don't see anything wrong with abortion when the woman was raped or the baby is a product of incest. Two wrongs won't make it right, correct?

I do not support either partisan. I will however laugh so hard at the Dems saying they are not in trouble for the 2012 election.

That is like saying rolling the toothpaste tube the wrong way is just as good as rolling it the right way. Obama has staked his claim as the worst president the country has ever had. Jimmy Carter is writing home to mom...."It took a black man but it finally happened"

Its nice to know that a man gets to decide when her right has been used up. Take your rhetoric elsewhere moron. Your name is now Intrusive Govt. when it suits my ideals Brian.

Clara KCMO interjects:

the choice to not be raped, or sexually molested by family, clergy, coach So all these wrongs that occur all the time are an excuse to kill a child... a child BTW that hardly ever happens in these circumstances. Rape, incest, and otherwise invasive means produce a pregnancy about .00003% of the time. This is a very poor excuse for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent babies produced since the Roe V Wade decision.

the choice of free access to birth control I see, a dollar condom is way too much money to protect the life of an innocent child.

the choice mysogony - Whatever... same old excuse.

what a narrow little window with which you view the world, Brian. get real! My world is narrow because abortion is murder? Do you have a soul Clara?

Brianb,

Sounds you defend it 0.00003% of the time. How is it the child's fault that the mother was raped or the victim of incest? See, you paint others with the brush of hypocrite when you are also one. But I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to tell a victim that they have to carry and birth a child that was forced upon them based on what some ideologically small government politician says is the Right Thing To Do.

You know something Brian, you are so focused on the SOUL that you've missed the entire point of the MESSAGE. You would force a 9 year old girl to carry a child to term at risk of life to her and then force her to parent that child with NO help from your small government in the name of G-d,...and you do NOT see how un G-d like that is?

I don't care about trying to buy my way into some mythical place in some after life when I am COMMANDED to fight the injustice I see around me everyday. And you just want to blame every victim for their lot in life. If they'd been smarter, worked harder, kept their legs closed,...COME ON! You are a complete PHONY!

But I sure hope that 'holier than thou' thing gets you past St. Peter. I'm a betting person, so I'm goin' with 9 to 1 payout option it just simply isn't happening for you! But please, do continue with your RIGHTEOUS outrage!

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html

I am sure you will just dismiss this as an isolated incident; but you tell me how GOVERNMENT legislates this! And you are completely full of BS if you think most of the abortions for minors are not the result of incest.

Once a man is held to account for every seed that is sown,...then we can talk about the WOMAN providing the condom to her rapist. You are a complete jerk if you don't see the difference in this BASIC assessment of the situation.

Carry on your gallons for the party that Blames Victims. We know you by your deeds. And it just ain't flattering.

Mark--You might not be partisan but you just said alot about who you are.

Gee Clara you certainly do know how to make a bunch of assumptions because I believe abortion is murder. I must have struck a chord with you since you went on and on about... literally nothing at all to do with killing another human being.

Be proud of the fact that you believe in murder Clara. Shout it from the rooftops. Here, I'll help you Clara..

CLARA BELIEVES IN MURDER AND NOBODY CAN TELL HER ANY DIFFERENT.

Feel better now Clara? I certainly don't want you to feel like your voice isn't being heard. It's not everyday I come across a proponent of murder.

BTW your example of a 9 year old girl getting pregnant is extremely weak. How often does that happen? Considering that she can't release her one celled female component until she's had at least several periods.

Everybody is still waiting for the Republican jobs plan. Where the hell is it?

nwnative, there are several bills that passed the house and Dirty Harry Reid tabled them on his desk without allowing them to be introduced and debated in the Senate. So direct your question to Dirty Harry.

Clara KCMO [Comment collapsed by the community]

You know something Brian, you are so focused on the SOUL that you've missed the entire point of the MESSAGE. You would force a 9 year old girl to carry a child to term at risk of life to her and then force her to parent that child with NO help from your small government in the name of G-d,...and you do NOT see how un G-d like that is?

I don't care about trying to buy my way into some mythical place in some after life when I am COMMANDED to fight the injustice I see around me everyday. And you just want to blame every victim for their lot in life. If they'd been smarter, worked harder, kept their legs closed,...COME ON! You are a complete PHONY!

But I sure hope that 'holier than thou' thing gets you past St. Peter. I'm a betting person, so I'm goin' with 9 to 1 payout option it just simply isn't happening for you! But please, do continue with your RIGHTEOUS outrage!

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html

I am sure you will just dismiss this as an isolated incident; but you tell me how GOVERNMENT legislates this! And you are completely full of BS if you think most of the abortions for minors are not the result of incest.

Once a man is held to account for every seed that is sown,...then we can talk about the WOMAN providing the condom to her rapist. You are a complete jerk if you don't see the difference in this BASIC assessment of the situation.

Carry on your gallons for the party that Blames Victims. We know you by your deeds. And it just ain't flattering.

Don't forget about NLRB suit against Boeing.

Or better yet. The DOJ raided Gibson looking for evidence that they might be importing wood illegally.

They did this two years ago. In that raid they took valuable inventory, but never charge them of any crime and refused to return Gibson's property.

Nice, right?

Where is the so-called "liberal media?" These elections should have been in the news long before the voting date. Likewise the DNCdidn't get with the program until the last minute either--Come on Debbie Wasserman Shultz.

Exposure is what helped in Wisconsin and NY 26th. We need a LOT more national debate and attention in order to expose the Teapublican traitors for what they really are. No more complacency, please, and Dems, get out the vote!

Amy

Don't worry about heartlessoldsoul. He most likely never even lived in your home state. It's simple enough to do a quick google search and look at a map of Maine and then lie. The game with these dumb trolls is to do anything to discredit and discourage anyone on the left speaking out on the vine. Just look at how swarms of them cling to Feisty every day.

heartlessoldsoul makes his living outsourcing factory jobs to the Chinese. He admitted it one day on the vine. His opinions on pretty much anything are irrelevant since his living is made from the active destruction of our country's manufacturing base. Why aren't you working with factories in America heartlessoldsoul? You sure do enough flag waving (on the right only) for a guy who is selling us out to the commies in China.

Why the Dems lost Weiner's seat

"Democrats, from the rank-and-file to President Obama, are worried -- as they should be -- about the surprise victory of a novice candidate, Republican Bob Turner, in New York City's 9th Congressional District.

Democrats had every advantage they could have asked for. They outnumber Republicans 3-to-1 in a district Dems have held since 1923. They vastly outspent Turner and the GOP, and even called in big guns like ex-President Bill Clinton and Gov. Andrew Cuomo to campaign for the losing Democrat, state Rep. David Weprin.

But they still lost.

...

Weprin's strategy largely consisted of calling Turner a tea party candidate and pledging allegiance to the Democratic line, on the assumption that his party's election machinery and support from unions would win the day."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/14/opinion/louis-new-york-election-upset/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Perhaps Weprin should have recognized something was wrong when Turners own campaign was also to call himself a Tea Party candidate and point out Weprins willingness to be a spineless, obedient, unthinking, Dem yes-man.

And she ignores Nevada where a Republican seat was held despite the resigned Republican did so under less than a graceful exit.

So tell me booby -- are you cool with Cantor voting to re-build school(s) in foreign countries on OUR dime but refusing the re-invest in the ones right here at home?

Keep in mind we spent trillions to bomb the @!$%# out of them first!

How about cutting off FEMA funding to victims of the recent natural disasters..

Come on - show us what a real American you are...

These liberal Obama supportes will focus on anything that diverts attention away from this President's failed policies as demonstrated by a weak economy, high unemployment, lack of support for free enterprise and his spending binge that has resulted in deficit spending and increased debt. Ah, but there is always somebody and something to blame. That is called poor leadership in any book.

Bob, 2010, when Maine got it's Republican majority legislature, we also returned ultra liberal Chellie Pingree to the House as well as moderate Democrat Mike Micheaud, both by comfortable margins. Voters like to split power between the two parties. I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

It's apples and oranges. The federal government should not get into the business of county and states on building and/or remodeling/upgrading schools in this country. It is not the role of federal government. Besides there are more than 125,000 schools in this country. How will the criteria be set? By need? Or by need for political votes?

Moving money from one area to cover dollars needed in another area is not cutting off anything. It is sound budgeting.

Well, Ray,

http://www.ncef.org/school-modernization/chart.pdf

That's how they did it last time.

Obama not only thinks we're too dumb to know he's touting Son of Porkulous, since he is, after all, calling it a jobs bill, he thinks we have serious memory deficiencies.

Obama shelved in 2012.

Poor Feisty-

Chuck, Mark, Dom and the gang didn't give you much to work with today, did they?

NY-9, more bad poll numbers for President Obama, Solyndra...

Don't they realize the value of teamwork?

You're one of the gang, too...

Feisty, FEMA wastes more money than it would cost to clean up after the mess Obama will leave when he is defeated next November.

The money FEMA wasted in New Orleans that was intended to help people in need is just one example.

Feisty, we spend the most on per student and what has it gotten us? We are way down on the list for our education level compared to the world. When will the diehards understand that we just can not keep spending money that we do not have. Some people want to be wet nursed and attached to the federal government. It is not what our founding fathers fought for and what they established our great nation on. What will people like you say when we go bankrupt? Your answer to everything can't be, spend more and do not pay for it. That is why we are well over $14 trillion in debt and obama is adding to it at an astounding rate.

So tell me booby -- are you cool with Cantor voting to re-build school(s) in foreign countries on OUR dime but refusing the re-invest in the ones right here at home?

Typical liberal BS. Don't like the story so just deflect to something else. No possible way to spin the NY-9 election into something positive (and that is saying something for the "feisty" redhead) so lets just pretend it never happened and bitch about something else instead.

If Obama cant turn things around, which seems unlikely since he fails at most things he tries, this could turn into a bloodbath in 2012. Personally I don't feel sorry in the least for the dems. They had a candidate with some substance with Clinton but instead decided to go with the flash in the pan and turn the election into a popularity contest. Well that's the problem with popularity, it's a fickle thing.

Hey Feisty are you comfortable with the Obama administration telling Gibson Guitar they should move and take there jobs to Madagascar? And you say just hand the money to FEMA and such. But we have to BORROW it. What is your problem with finding waste to cut to pay for it? Obama's job plan is a joke. It has special deals in it for his Union buddies. It has deals in it for his contributors. Read the damn bill and see what his idea of a job program really is.

Feisty, do you like bombing on everyone that disagree with you????

Are you an advocate of unity (do not have to answer that, your postings have done that).

You do not lose sleep, your hate keeps you going 24/7, correct????;o)

Have a great week.

did Boeing get to build the plant in SC or did the govt run them out of the country? say to China?

Hey Red is the DNC your only JOB...

It is a good point. We're investing billions abroad building infrastructure while our own crumbles. I don't give a flying shoe who's idea it is. It simply doesn't make sense.

EDD

I'd say the job where she is getting on your last nerve daily is the most rewarding!

Atlas - fiesty has her special Hate-r-aid brew to keep her going 24/7. Seems that she should re-read bill of fairfax's post last fall on the cluelessness of her and her libs-r-us gang.

Have no fear though, fiesty and her gang will spin and deflect something else about the right to prop up her insanity.

looks like redwig pooped on the carpet again..... too bad there's no one around to clean it up.... lol!

american and Kelly, If you don't catch redwig before 4pm central... she's too far 'in the bag' to respond. You can bet she will tomorrow when she wakes up with a hangover.... the poor dear has had a tough day too... not as bad as obama but pretty bad, lol!

Miked - how true. I do wonder what she will say about obama and company when they threaten to shut down the federal government after oct 1. I wonder what obama will have to say about it as well? The ball has been in his court for months.

Don't the 50 teabag trolls on this thread attacking Feisty (every day) have anything to say that doesn't break the CoH? You guys got anything to say about the story at hand? Or even about politics or anything else in the news currently? You have anything to respond to her facts?

No, that's what I thought. Nothing but a cavalcade of never ending 3rd grade insults. Why all this hate over some poster who you don't even know in real life. She put up facts and cites that you don't like because they reflect the nasty side of your party. Deal with it. Post an argument or some counter links or shut the h*ll up. Because you come off as a bunch of hateful little babies.

Hey not so Dangerous Mind,.... the source of the problem is definitely not with the conservatives here.... we like feisty... she is the best argument we have against the progressive/socialist movement. She likes it .... and it works for us! keep it up redwig.... but do it sober sometimes.... lol!

Very true, Tom, Yreka.

You really believe that the solutions implemented by the Obama administration over the past 32 months had nothing to do with where we are today in terms of the items you mention?

By the way the millionaire and billionaire "talking point" is about played out. The solution is to reform the tax code. That is what the President's message should have been, instead of his constant class warfare lectures that just divide people. All this "fair share, jet owner stuff" just allienates and agitates people. You wonder why Obama is criticized for being a poor leader? It is those kind of comments that are in part responsible. Obama always seem to focus on the symptoms of a problem and not the cause. I guess he thinks he scores more political points that way.

Tom,

So true Tom. It's the dumbing down of America by the far right.

Tom..... dont forget jobs..... I mean you have to realize there will be jobs also. Which will drive the proverbial wedge in the liberal/progressives and banish them into the forest of anal leakage!

Sad but true "Tom", but they will never get my vote and if people think this country will be better under republican rule they have another thing coming. I guess they just can't get enough and want to continue the GWB legacy. Wow, envisioning a Rick Perry presidency is scary enough. We live in a quick fix country and folks, there are no quick fixes. If they do get the white house back I don't want to hear one person whine about their SS or medicare, drinking water, air or any other service they won't get after the republicans either gut or privatize...

I got a different take on that. I think if conservatives get in power, they will cut spending on wasteful programs, end illegal immigration, stop this healthcare boondoggle that has been foisted upon us and will eat us alive financially, and do the kinds of things that will help businesses grow and prosper. And in the end, that's the way out of the mess we're in, and that's what will create jobs and improve our competitive position globally.

Al,

Wasteful spending is already at minimal levels. The budget is being eaten by social security and medicare. Even defense has slimmed down a bit.

How do you end illegal immigration? The answer is: you spend money hunting down people. I don't know that this will provide the cure-all solution to what ails us, especially since there's much more of us (citizens) then there are of them (undocumented workers.)

The healthcare boondoggle is the only attempt at a solution I've seen to stop the exponentially rising cost of health care which is squeezing budgets from the feds to the states to the local governments and squeezing the budgets of businesses and Americans alike. I will agree that there are better solutions than what we've got, but doing nothing is not an option.

What kinds of things help businesses grow and prosper? They are already pretty big and prosperous. I think the best thing to help business right now is to give them certainty that there won't be anything different in 10 years. Remember, they have no patriotic ambition to do the right thing for America. They are out to make money. They don't care where they do business as long as they make money. And it is their right.

What if the conservatives are wrong? I hear cheering for a governor who's state leads the nation in executions and more cheering when another candidate says that those who are sick or in a coma should die rather than get any financial aid.

Is this the pioneering nation that became America now turned into every man for himself nation? There has been a long time notion that Americans were caring people, is that now passe?

If the conservatives want to cut spending that should mean stop nation building and reduce the military. Unfortunately, we have many employed making military equipment, servicing and supporting the military and that means losing a lot of jobs. Reducing our armed forces overseas means reducing the number of personnel in the military, more job loss. Exactly where are all these new people going to get jobs? What jobs can be created by business that will use the talents and skills of these newly unemployed.

Will Congress be willing to allow America to become a second rate world power after we close all our foreign bases and reduce our military resources?

We have an economy based on consumer spending and there is no consumer spending if there are no jobs. What kind of economy and how long will it take to change to that economy before America can create good paying jobs again? What is the vision that conservatives have to make America great again?

Tom - Your version of the glass half empty; my version of the glass half full.

P.S. With Pelosi gone, my glass would be 3/4 full.

Cantors bill would have lowered income taxes to25% as well as corporate taxes while closing the loopholes why can't we agree on that?

Well, I hope you havent forgotten about Ron Paul. He is the one guy up there who does not have corporate interests in mind and the only person up there who is actually honest. Some may think he is out there but he has been saying the same things for 30 years and things he has been saying are coming true, from massive debt, to war, etc. At the very least he doesnt push his viewpoints on other people like Perry does.

Why lower corporate taxes, they do not offshore for cheap taxes you idiot. It is to have cheap labor. No matter how low taxes are they will not bring jobs home or hire in the US. Deregulate you say-- well you deserve what you get when the water table at your house is contaminated because you thought these greedy folks would never do anything to harm you. Let me guess you want a flat tax rate too.

Tom - the left has already started implimentation of that plan. As ceasar said "the die is cast"

BTW - I can't deny that this event has been a long time in coming and all politicians (L & R) since the 60's have played their part, as well as the American populace. Who knew that seemingly small government handouts would become so pervasive in leading us down the path of potential insolvency.

OH well at least the right woke up first, now can the left?

hatefuloldsoul

There will be jobs with a Republican huh? You mean like the one you have outsourcing factories to China?

So can someone tell me why Obama has forced Jeffrey Immelt out of his Job Czar job yet? GE is so busy shipping jobs overseas to China it isn't funny. He has sent most of his healthcare overseas to the fareast, (I think China but it could be Japan) Immelt drove GE into the ground and we are stuck with him as the Job Czar. Its going to be very very interesting to find out what really happened to the 1/2 billion dollars Obama gave to Solyndra. Also when will we find out what really is happening with "Fast and Furious."

There will be jobs with a Republican huh? You mean like the one you have outsourcing factories to China?

Republican outsourcing jobs to China? I thought that was Obama's "Jobs Czar's" job. Obama must have forgotten to mention that he wanted Immelt to create jobs here.

I wish that the President would grow a set and tell the Republican-Tea Potty bast@rds to go to hell.

Job 1, Not surprised about your attitude and advise. Liberals cannot make a point without name-calling, insults and ugly comments. Obama has at times added those items to his usual excuses and blame. You need to listen to his lectures more closely. You will hear those types of comments you desire to hear. Wonder why we think Obama is not Presidential? Think about it.

Do you fail to remember that the democrats controlled the Presidency, house, and senate for two years? Do you fail to remember that the democrats had a filibuster proof senate for about 1 year? They could have passed any thing they wanted and go figure. When the democrats had a filibuster proof senate, this almost identical bill was voted down by the filibuster proof senate. Who can you blame on that? It has to be the democrat controlled senate.

No the Republicans want to reform the tax code and close the loop holes instead of using the presidents and liberal mantra of JUST tax the rich. Make it fair for EVERYONE. Not class warfare.

The Congress is not controlled by a political party, it is controlled by corporate entities and a handful of wealthy elitists all of which despise the American citizen, so to say that either party has a majority in Congress is absurd to begin with, and the people who do control Congress back republican ideology almost exclusively, so Mark#'s your entire post is irrelevant.

"No the Republicans want to reform the tax code and close the loop holes"

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Please.

Correct, I think this president doesn't understand the power of conviction. Compromise is like coming in second at a beauty pageant - nobody remembers or cares about the fate of the runner-up. You would think that lesson would sink in to any democrat after Jimmy Carter, guess not. At this rate Mr. President you may not get a second term to be and act more aggressively. Bullies always win until you stand up to them and start kicking their A$$, they certainly won't compromise with you. While you may not win the fight, they get bloodied to and tend to respect you more for engaging in the first place and standing up to them. American people understand and support leaders with conviction - for better or for worse and we've already see the "for worse" with GWB. Our president is bright and on the right side of many issues, but people don't follow Spock, they follow Capt. Kirk. The state of the country reminds me of that that line in "American President":

Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Bob Rumson (Republican) is the only one doing the talking! People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.

Perhaps the president will figure this out before its too late. Passing parts of the bill is a net loss for him.

that's right, nitemare2, cuz' the wealthy have suffered SO much injustice as the middle class has been squeezed and the money has flowed upward to the very few.

it's been just AWFUL for them. if only they had a Congress in their pocket to even the score with those nasty mean ole' teachers and police and firefighters that are truly standing in the way of TOTAL Upper Class Domination?

Oh why doesn't anyone represent the wealthy? Oh wait,...nevermind.

Mav, you unpropitious liberal. Ofcourse you won't be better off when the Republicans are voted into office. There will actually be millions on your side of entitlements that will have to go to WORK. Maybe even YOU!

w.bush , Cantor wants to lower tax rate to 25% and close the loopholes

Why the Dems lost Weiner's seat

"Democrats, from the rank-and-file to President Obama, are worried -- as they should be -- about the surprise victory of a novice candidate, Republican Bob Turner, in New York City's 9th Congressional District.

Democrats had every advantage they could have asked for. They outnumber Republicans 3-to-1 in a district Dems have held since 1923. They vastly outspent Turner and the GOP, and even called in big guns like ex-President Bill Clinton and Gov. Andrew Cuomo to campaign for the losing Democrat, state Rep. David Weprin.

But they still lost.

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Weprin's strategy largely consisted of calling Turner a tea party candidate and pledging allegiance to the Democratic line, on the assumption that his party's election machinery and support from unions would win the day."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/14/opinion/louis-new-york-election-upset/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Perhaps Weprin should have recognized something was wrong when Turners own campaign was also to call himself a Tea Party candidate and point out Weprins willingness to be a spineless, obedient, unthinking, Dem yes-man.

You are so right, Nash.

Any new company has a lot of risks and new technologies even more so. I agree with you---sometimes those risks have to be taken.

Good morning Feisty and Steeler Fan . . . some koolaid sounds just right . . . much obliged! :o)

Good points, Nashville. Why is it the media paints one election seat in a blue district lost by democrats in NY is a negative for President Obama yet the big democratic win in NY earlier this year in a very red district was not a positive?

Since President Obama won the election in 2008, the media has been hypercritical about what clothes he wears to whether or not his emotions meet their standard. I don't even think the media realizes it is harming the country by creating their own storyline rather than simply stating the facts and keeping to substance.

You actually wanted the media to point out that the democrats had learned, from the first upstate special, that if you can get the republicans to run two candidates for an office, the democrat will win?

I actually wanted the media to point out that the TEA Party candidate in that special was a democrat in conservative clothing, but they never did.

Then again, I wanted them to point out that Obama was so far out in left field he could not even see the pitching mound, so his campaigning as a centrist was a walking, talking, lie, but they did not do that, either.

Boy, are are people mad about THAT.

Four trillion added to the debt in two and a half years. Close to fifteen million unemployed. The highest level of poverty EVER.

That's going to stick.

And hurt!

Feisty I would say put the koolaid down and pick up a bottle of Makers Mark. It will allow you to see the light.

Jody, my point exactly!

voters are FED UP! and they may very well be punishing in those districts where they feel wronged. Weiner did nothing to make this easier.

At any rate,...we are WAY too far out for 2012 to be predicted. Let's start talking next August/September,...that will be the REAL proof.

Man what I wouldn't give for a Clinton type to carpet bag Boehner's district! LOL

Why is it that only bad news sticks to "Obama", never good?

That's not true. He still gets credit, even from most republicans, for getting Bin Laden. What else was there?

Any new company has a lot of risks and new technologies even more so. I agree with you---sometimes those risks have to be taken.

Especially when it's a political supporter right? I'll agree that risks need to be taken, just not by the government. The government isn't suppose to take our tax dollars and make "risky" investments. And by "risky" I mean invest in a company AFTER their own accountants have begun waving red flags.

"Despite a warning from Solyndra's own accountants at PricewaterhouseCoopers that the company's business model was suspect and raised "substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern," President Obama visited the company and gave it a glowing endorsement as a government-picked winner..."-http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/583962/201109061842/SolarGate.aspx

btw- I don't think that a company that has been around since '05 would be considered "new"

Unfortunately I think the media knows exactly what it is doing. It is working overtime to turn our country into a fascist nation. Intolerant of other views would be like the fascist collapsing post here. Collapse them so that only the people who can post here can open and read them.

Republicans are so interested in freedom unless you happen to disagree with them. Then they are more than willing to trample on your rights. Every time they collapse a post just because they don't like what was said proves it.

Backcountry164:

As far as your first comment goes, your decision to willfully ignore all the progress that has been made to stabilize the economy, get a handle on the whole "never ending war" model made popular by the Cheney Administration, and actually hunt down and assasinate terrorists WHEREVER they are, INCLUDING Bin Laden, tells me that you aren't serious, right?

As far as your second comment goes, it is great to make the philosophical point that you prefer the private sector to assume this risk versus public, but in case you haven't noticed, the "corporate people" in the private sector are only interested in hoarding money for themselves.

Us "human people" need someone to "represent" us, and sadly, even those bodies that claim too have been purchased.

So yeah, the government has to take some risks, because the private sector only cares about money, not the well being of the actual country.

Sadly Nashville your points are lost on a lot of folks. Be careful what you ask for people, because the very think you wish for may be your worst nightmare come true. A vote for republicans in 2012 will further erode the middle class (what's left) and usher in the new age of oligarchy...

It's already begun:

What is ALEC?

ALEC is not a lobby; it is not a front group. It is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, behind closed doors, corporations hand state legislators the changes to the law they desire that directly benefit their bottom line. Along with legislators, corporations have membership in ALEC. Corporations sit on all nine ALEC task forces and vote with legislators to approve “model” bills. They have their own corporate governing board which meets jointly with the legislative board. (ALEC says that corporations do not vote on the board.) Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. Participating legislators, overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, then bring those proposals home and introduce them in statehouses across the land as their own brilliant ideas and important public policy innovations—without disclosing that corporations crafted and voted on the bills. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, with one in every five of them enacted into law. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. We agree. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door.

Who funds ALEC?

More than 98% of ALEC's revenues come from sources other than legislative dues, such as corporations, corporate trade groups, and corporate foundations. Each corporate member pays an annual fee of between $7,000 and $25,000 a year, and if a corporation participates in any of the nine task forces, additional fees apply, from $2,500 to $10,000 each year. ALEC also receives direct grants from corporations, such as $1.4 million from ExxonMobil from 1998-2009. It has also received grants from some of the biggest foundations funded by corporate CEOs in the country, such as: the Koch family Charles G. Koch Foundation, the Koch-managed Claude R. Lambe Foundation, the Scaife family Allegheny Foundation, the Coors family Castle Rock Foundation, to name a few. Less than 2% of ALEC’s funding comes from “Membership Dues” of $50 per year paid by state legislators, a steeply discounted price that may run afoul of state gift bans.

What goes on behind closed doors?

The organization boasts 2,000 legislative members and 300 or more corporate members. The unelected corporate representatives (often registered lobbyists) sit as equals with elected representatives on nine task forces where they have a “voice and a vote” on model legislation. Corporations on ALEC task forces VOTE on the "model" bills and resolutions, and sit as equals with legislators voting on the ALEC task forces and various working groups. Corporate and legislative governing boards also meet jointly each year. (ALEC says only the legislators have a final say on all model bills. ALEC has previously said that "The policies are debated and voted on by all members. Public and private members vote separately on policy. It is important to note that laws are not passed, debated or adopted during this process and therefor no lobbying takes place. That process is done at the state legislature.") The long-term representation of Koch Industries on the governing board means that Koch has had influence over an untold number of ALEC bills. Due to the questionable nature of this partnership with corporations, legislators rarely discuss the origins of the model legislation they bring home. Though thousands of ALEC-approved model bills have been publicly introduced across the country, ALEC’s role facilitating the language in the bills and the corporate vote for them is not well known.

(ALEC legislators sometimes compare the organization to the National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL), yet the two organizations could not be more different. NCSL has zero corporate members. It is funded largely by state government appropriations and conference fees; it has a truly bipartisan governance structure, and there is a large role for nonpartisan professional staff; it does not vote on or promote model legislation; meetings are public and so are any agreed upon documents. Corporations do sponsor receptions at NCSL events through a separate foundation. For more information, see the document ALEC & NCSL.)

As far as your first comment goes, your decision to willfully ignore all the progress that has been made to stabilize the economy, get a handle on the whole "never ending war" model made popular by the Cheney Administration...

Stabilize the economy? You mean the economy that continues to weaken? Gimme a break. "Never ending war model"? Maybe you haven't noticed but Obama hasn't ended any wars and has gotten us involved in a third one.

but in case you haven't noticed, the "corporate people" in the private sector are only interested in hoarding money for themselves

In case you haven't noticed "corporate people" are in the business of making money. You're right, no corporation would invest in a company that is destined to fail as pointed out by their own accounting firm. Only Obama would be both stupid enough to do that and stupid enough to put his name and face on the project to boot. If it was a republican who owned the company (Gibson Guitars) we wouldn't be in this mess with Solyndra because there'd be no votes for him to buy with our 500 million bucks.

The media is biased against Obama you're kidding I suggest you check your facts,and for those who think either party hates their country get a grip.

The liberal Democrats don't hate America. They want to "change" American into a Liberal Socialist state. Years of educators teaching capitalism bad, socialism good has created this false idea that socialism is some sort of utopia and that everything is "fair". The spruce goose looked good on paper too. A real life example of this "utopia" is Cuba. There is a reason Cuba looks like 1959 and everybody is poor. But, I guess you can say there are no millionaires and billionaires, no oil companies, and corporate jets. Sounds like Obama may like it there.

nashville - trying to make the argument that government shouldn't be relied on to generate private sector jobs?

On the Solyndra deal . . . isn't this yet another example of government always being in a lose-lose position?

with regards to rushing or not rushing, even the private sector knows the increased waste potential of rushing ahead on projects vs identifying as many alternatives as possible.

Of course we all know that the con man supports the rushed approach as the mark shouldn't have time to think about it. Sounds like obama may have missed his true calling.

Tony C

You're living in a right wing AM radio Faux News dominated fantasy land. You ever call me a socialist face to face and you'll be sorry pal.

You ever call me a socialist face to face and you'll be sorry pal.

ohhhhhhhhh, scary. LOL!!!

Agree, Steeler Fan. I pay little attention to the media chatter because it's irrelevant this far from the 2012 elections. The bad side of 24/7 cable news and talk, it puts us in a perpetual state of election madness. Everything is put in terms of the next election rather than discussing issues based on their merits and not the next election.

Good idea to not pay attention to Rachael Maddow, Ed Schults, Chris Mathews and Lawrence O' Donald Duck. As you suggest, everything they have to say is never based on the facts pertaining to the issues.

did they say the same thing about the Dem winning the NY seat yesterday??