That 'woman' who tearfully spoke to Bachmann was really James O'Keefe in drag.

Bachmann raises ignorance to an entirely new height.

I fail to see how this is newsworthy.

You'd look crazy too if you were married to a homophobic gay man.

The article reported:

This morning, as reported earlier, Michele Bachmann went even further, lending credence to a notion that Gardasil -- used in vaccines to prevent HPV, which can cause cervical cancer -- can cause mental retardation.

Bachmann was using this in an attack on Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who had signed an executive order mandating that girls get the vaccine. And there are certainly questions over why Perry signed the order. His former chief of staff Mike Toomey, as the Washington Post points out, "was working at the time as an Austin-based lobbyist for Merck, which was in the midst of a multimillion-dollar campaign to persuade states to make the vaccine mandatory."

But there’s no evidence to suggest the vaccine causes mental retardation.

Bachmann was using this in an attack on Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who had signed an executive order mandating that girls get the vaccine. And there are certainly questions over why Perry signed the order. His former chief of staff Mike Toomey, as the Washington Post points out, "was working at the time as an Austin-based lobbyist for Merck, which was in the midst of a multimillion-dollar campaign to persuade states to make the vaccine mandatory."

However, selling your soul for a mere $5,000 or $30,000 to the company that produces Gardasil is evidence of mental retardation.

Jesus Christ, does this woman do anything else but lie?

The State of Texas does not ORDER the parents to have their children vaccinated for HPV. It's the parents decision.

Perry has it out there for the parents to decide.

Bachman obviously has confused gardasil with the drug which caused HER retardation!

The State of Texas does not ORDER the parents to have their children vaccinated for HPV. It's the parents decision.

Perry has it out there for the parents to decide

Now yes, but at the time Perry ORDERED everyone to get it UNLESS they completed paperwork to opt out. This is not the same as an OPT-IN as you suggest.

I don't like Perry or Bachmann... but let's be clear.. the HPV vaccine ALSO has ZERO EVIDENCE that little girls who get the vaccine now will be protected years or decades into the future.

This vaccine business with Perry was about money and power end of story.

Throw in Perry's love of the trans-texas globalist highway to ship in goods from Mexico to avoid the cost and labor of US ports and workers and Perry is nothing but a globalist stooge.

But yes, Bachmann is a tea party fraud who voted for the "Patriot Act".

They are both clowns.

When has Bachmann ever let the truth get in the way of the garbage she spouts? Pathetic.

@Jo Ann, you are almost correct. It currently is not required to get the HPV vaccine, but Perry bypassed the legislature and made it mandatory a couple years ago. Only after every single Texan said he had overstepped his authority, did he withdraw the order. There were two problems with his initial order.

1. How can a governor be the sole judge and jury on what and who gets vaccines? Shouldn't the medical community have some input there?

2. The companies that were going to benefit had lots of 'links' with Perry staff, and gave nice campaign contributions, leading almost every independent outlet to theorize that he was helping out those who had helped him in the past. This is not the first, or even the hundred-and-first time Perry has been called out for cronyism.

Mr. Rogers - You forgot about using Texas funds to build highways then turning over the completed highways to companies so they can turn them into toll roads. Now THAT is crony capitalism.

No one really expects this woman to say one word that is intelligent or truthful, do they? Republicans? You out there? Care to answer?

Jerry, no one expects ANY republican to say one word that is intelligent or truthful.

Since when have any Republicans, let alone Tea Party Republicans, ever been interested in facts.

Ever since Ronald Reagan said he could increase defense spending, cut taxes and balance the budget, they have not been interested in reality.

People live around other people. This can lead to transmission of disease, so we vaccinate ourselves.

People have sex. This can lead to transmission of HPV. This is why we vacinate our children.

Unless of course, you are the Tea Party, and you don't believe in science.

Retardation occurs when you live in the 18th century, when in reality it is the 21st century.

I can't even believe we are having this discussion.

In her defense she was repeating what a mother told her. She did not say it was a fact but she was also wrong on how Gov. Perry's mandate went. The vaccine was to be given to all the appropriate age girls in school unless their parents chose to opt out. What exactly is the problem with that?

My generation got all thier preventative shots and the sugar cube version of polio vaccine in school. It saved our parents a lot of money and there was no huge outbreak of any problem from the shots. What was once normal in this country has been scewed by those that think everyone should be allowed to send thier kids around other kids unvaccinated and spread diseases once close to irradication. Most of the time they are blaming autism on the vacines, scientist have proven it isn't true. There are a lot of kids with true autism, but there are also those that a mild autism that could be handled by parents that have a clue how to deal with babies and lots of these kids are misdiagnosed because parents don't know how or don't want to deal with a child with sensory problems or one who is just plain difficult. Some really do come that way. Deal with it and stop looking for a pill to make your parenting easier.

Okay, so here's the choice: A liar, a liar, a liar, an idiot, an extremist... chose one.

Wow. Makes me wonder how many times Michelle's had the shot...

LMarcT: noticed you only got to the top 5. Didn't even get to the only sane candidate: Jon Huntsman.

It is absolutely newsworthy that a person running for president of the US continuously spews lies and falsehoods. False statements need to be reported loudly and in every conceivable medium.

Here is the difference. To date, the inoculations given to children have been for diseases that were easily contagious, and transmitted threw casual contact. Therefore, making it easy to catch. Last time I checked HPV wasn't transmitted this way, it is a sexually transmitted disease. This is a decision for the parents to make when they feel it is appropriate. Not the government. I agree with Mr. Rogers post, Texans should never had to OPT OUT to begin with. As a mother of 4 girls, I too feel the outrage Bachmann displayed at the CNN debate.

Why don't y'all listen to what Bachmann is saying. A compulsory drug (for young girls) from a drug company endorsing Perry (vica verca) You can lead a stubborn donkey to water but you can't make it drink. Now I know why they call y'all "leftards".

The author and the libs here are asking the wrong questions. The question is, how well does Obamanomics work? Answer? It doesn't! One must keep focus on the big picture. Since everything Obama has done has been designed to destroy America, or is proof that liberalism doesn't work, take your choice, all these other items are peripheral.

The fact check has proven that Obama has had absolutely no viable solutions for the problems that the country faces and that everything he has tried has made things worse.

Why are politicians allowed to lie to further their personal advancements? They should be challenged and publicly embarrassed for spouting bull@!$%#!

What is wrong with you people? You just " pray the HPV away".

Sorry to disagree with the author, however, I have personally had too many friends of mine with healthy kids that completely changed over night when they took the vaccines. Having said that, why is a political writer (Domenico Montanaro, Political Reporter, NBC News) reporting on medical issues? He is obviously representing the pharm industry wouldn't you say....just a thought

This, joke of a candidate, Bachmann will say ANYTHING to gain publicity and attention. After her failed attempt at the nomination she should move to Hollywood, she could teach those people a thing or two about a thing or two and most especialy abut publicity stunts!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: there may or may not be an association between vaccines and developmental disorders. My child developed autism after an MMR vaccination. Who may lose if there is an association? The drug companies? Who may lose if there is no association? Children who don't get vaccinated? Whom do some care about the most? I wonder.

It's interesting that the same people that want to force Gardasil on 9-12 year olds oppose teaching about anything other than abstinence. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease. If your child is not sexually active their is NO chance of contracting HPV, which makes Gardasil useless. So why the mandate on immunization? Because the drug companies have millions to gain? I wonder if condom companies had that much campaign money to throw around if they would change their views on that issue too...

Bachmann is one crazy bitch.

(Best Gomer Pyle imitation ever)

SOOOPRIZE SOOOPRIZE SOOOOPRIZE, Michelle don't know what she's talkin' 'bout.

(Gomer has left the building)

I believe Bachman is the only known case where the HPV vaccine caused mental retardation. Sad, really, but it explains a lot.

Bachman, no boundary between fact and fiction. She said she was just repeating what she had been told. By whom? Did she bother to run her "facts" past the CDC? Naw, they're a government agency that hires scientists. Three strikes, they're out!

The buck stops on someone else's desk. I too would love to blame my sources when I'm wrong. I'll try that one on my wife.

Bachmann, Perry & the T-Nut party can "Go to hell"

Futureshock2012, agreed, Merk's marketing hype aligned with public health considerations doesn't create the best taste in one's mouth. However, even if a woman doesn't have sex before getting married, there is no ironclad guarantee that the groom, no matter how chaste in marriage, didn't have previous partners. As my father observed, "Words are cheap." And don't forget the the matter of rape, which doesn't respect a woman's chastity.

Sexually inactive kids grow into sexually active adults, and there is no dependable moment for that to occur. It often occurs without knowledge of parents. You can say the risks don't apply to you or yours, but even the most cautious parents are paddling wildly against a current created by 520 million years of sexual evolution. Although I suppose that's another untouchable topic for this audience.

In other words, one is kidding oneself to say, "NO chance of contracting HPV." For those who work with numbers rather than convictions, there is no statistical analysis yielding 0% probability for sex and sexually transmitted diseases. Not unless the patient is already dead and buried.

@Parents Choice: HPV is spread through skin contact, not just the act of sex. The reason it is recommended for girls 11 - 12 is because the AVERAGE age of first sexual intercourse for girls in the U.S. is 16, which means plenty of girls are having sex before that age too, unfortunately. Since the virus prevents 70% of cervical cancers, a disease with high mortality, why wouldn't you want to protect your little girl before it's too late? Your morality is not going to prevent some teenage boy from getting into her pants, and if it does, what's to prevent her husband from giving it to her later on?

Clearly most of you did not read the article. Bachmann did not say the vaccine caused retardation. Bachmann said that the girl's mother had stated the vaccine caused her retardation.

The issue is the government forcing children to undergo vaccination. Make the vaccine available. If parents think it is a good idea, they can have their child vaccinated. Just like with measles or chickenpox. Parents should make this decision, not the government.

Every vaccine including polio has a small chance of harming a small percentage of the population. This risk is disclosed to patients. The greater good of eradicating polio outweighs the very small risks that bad things do occur.That's called science. I don't know if the HPV vaccine caused this girl's retardation or not. For those of you to trash the girl's mom and trash Bachmann just because Bachmann is a Republican is not very open minded.

How about I develop some new vaccines tonight, and you guys can line up and pay me for them all tomorrow. SERIOUSLY! That is why we don't want the vaccination. It is being sold at a VERY high price, and it has a very short track record. It is also designed to prevent something that very few people ever get. It also doesn't guarantee you won't get cervical cancer. it it just designed to block certain types of HPV that can lead to CC. If it works perfectly as the drug company describes, it might save a few hundred lives a year. Do we really want to subject our children to new drugs with no long term testing that will only prevent a STD in some of the cases, and not all? I have two daughters, and I will not get this vaccine for them.

So I wonder why they don't mandate the Depo-Provera birth control injection if they are mandating this immunization. More teens have unwanted pregnancies then contract cervical cancer. Both are "sexually transmitted". Both could be prevented with condoms (or abstinence). You could argue that the cost to society is higher for the unwanted teen pregnancies. I'm struggling to see the difference between the two. How do they justify one and not the other?

Just lost the wife to cancer, not a nice way to go. If a shot can keep your daughter from getting any type cancer; get her one quickly!Bachman should be expelled from congress for lying and intentionally discouraging people from doing what's best for their young daughters. Do these TP people, most appearing to be senior citizens, not remember the polio vaccine mandated by the government in the 50's? Polio was eliminated. If it hadn't been mandated, children would still get that terrible disease. I'd wager Bachman had the polio vaccine.

Old vet: my sympathies to you on your loss.

I lost a friend to cervical cancer and another woman I know is a suvivor. You are right, Old Vet, if you can give your daughter a shot to prevent it, I would do that.

"!Bachman should be expelled from congress for lying and intentionally discouraging people from doing what's best for their young daughters.)

Correction, Vet- She should be expelled from that class of people collectively known as 'humanity'.

With the vaccine no one needs to get HPV, including boys. Vaccinate them all.

She is clearly WRONG and should have kept her mouth shut. bye-bye oval office chances..

Just lost the wife to cancer, not a nice way to go. If a shot can keep your daughter from getting any type cancer; get her one quickly!Bachman should be expelled from congress for lying and intentionally discouraging people from doing what's best for their young daughters. Do these TP people, most appearing to be senior citizens, not remember the polio vaccine mandated by the government in the 50's? Polio was eliminated. If it hadn't been mandated, children would still get that terrible disease. I'd wager Bachman had the polio vaccine.

Easy.. yes cancer sucks... but IF THE PRODUCT or VACCINE is SO GOOD... then why not let it sell itself and let doctor's endorse it. Why force it on people through mandates and laws?

It's all about the $$$.... Please don't pretend these pharma companies care about people... you are kidding yourself.

Mr. Rogers,

Not that I am condoning forcing it on people but there are some idiot parents out there that thing that vaccines cause metal issues, which is in itself a mental issue on the side of the parents. If they will not be parents and protect their kid who is going to do it then or do we just let their kid stay at high risk for getting the cancer because their parents were too moronic to get them a shot?

Old Vet and others: you may be right about getting vaccinated. However, mandating for 12 year old little girls is NOT the way to go, whether or not there is an opt out.

Manadating anything so you can collect your $5-$30,000 political contribution is wrong, even if it is legal in Texas.

Uh, Dirpy, sure worked great for polio, mandated on 5 year olds in the 50s and 60's!!!

Old Vet, the Guardasil vaccine is unproven. It is not the same as a polio vaccine. I would not allow my daughter to have it until I knew more about it and I would not appreciate any government jerk like Perry making that decision for me. I have doctors trying to cram harmful medications down my throat all the time and if I had taken some of them, I would be dead by now. You have an old person's view of vaccines and pharmeceutical companies. Integrity no longer exists and people who exhibit blind trust (like you) are often victimized by these unscrupulous people. You need to stop making these judgement calls based on how things were in the past or become more informed.

I'm sorry your wife has passed away. You haven't included her health history and habits so we really don't know why she died but it probably wasn't HPV. Maybe she was a smoker. I don't know. Alot has to do with the crummy diet we Americans eat because there are too many of us. If I had my way I would sterilize everyone after the birth of their second child but I am not a power tripping Nazi like Rick Perry who thinks he can tell people what to do with their own bodies.

Polio is not a sexually transmitted disease, like HPV. Not sure, but I think polio is a highly infectious, airborn virus, which can lead to a person being crippled, or death.

Mandating vacinnation against STD's in 12 year old GIRLS and collecting contributions from the company getting the money is just wrong. Also, while the vaccine may be effective, why was it only mandated for Girls, and not for boys, since it is approved for preventing penile and anal cancers as well ?

Could it be that, as a Republican, Rick Perry is only interested in the sexual activities of little girls ?

marinmom: of all the posts I have seen on FR, and I have been posting a LOOOOONG time, yours should win some kind of award for its insensitivity. You owe Old vet and apology, and please think before you post. What on earth would cause you to speculate on what caused his wife's cancer?

I believe Perry made what he believed to be a move in the interest of public health. He based it on information being fed to him by a company that bought his ear.

That being said, you really can't leave public health decisions in the hands of parents or politicians. Just too many out there that will believe in junk science and voodoo.

dirp, its easy for you to say that since I wasnt your daughter who had to have a hysterectomy at THIRTY years of age! Thank goodness I WAS a young parent (21 and 22) because otherwise I would have had none. I had NO symptoms, nothing!! I wish everyone could witness a colposcopy procedure and imagine it being your twenty-something daughter. No numbing, lets just laser it off while shes awake, over and over and over and then the cone biopsies, the biopsies, the fears that I was going to leave my little children without a mom. The ONLY reason they found mine is that my ovary twisted. PLUS, do you know how many insurance companies refuse to do a hysterectomy on a thirty year old until it is FULL blown cancer? I know you dont understand, I didnt either. But youre talking about a silent death. It is rampant. Tons of young people have it and spread it, unknowingly and unintentionally. Im not telling you to get it for your kids, but please research cervical cancer at least before you turn the indignation on. I had a classmate die a year ago from this. At forty. FORTY! Mine was carcinoma in Situ, the stage below invasive cervical cancer. It has now been exactly ten years. If I had not had that stupid ovary screw up, I would have beat her to the grave. If you will not get the vaccine, do the smart thing and schedule Family Girls Doctor Day once a year. I missed by gyno visits for a couple years. That was all it took.

Old Vet -

You have good memories, and a spirit to lead you on.

I think we all share your grief, here.

I know that I do.

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Yeah, well, you know the shot heard round the world was fired in Concord, New Hampshire, right? No? Details! Details!

Why doesn't she submit to the people and go away. Her ignorance is astounding, and she'll make crap up if she can't think (lol) of an answer. These religious freaks are making me crazy!

By the way, last night the Rethugs in the Senate decided, no vote for money for FEMA, without cuts. The people devastated by Hurricane Irene are flipped the bird. Last week FEMA had 800 million left, today, 300 million left. They need 7 billion. Hostage taking is back, big time. Bastards!

Don't worry the state that was most effected by Irene was just Vermont... politicians don't care about Vermont. We are used to it. Phish will be providing more funds to rebuild the shattered state then the government will. I think it is clear... Barak Obama Hates White People...\sarc

I'm not positive about the accuracy of the article insofar as it says "'Mental retardation' typically takes place in a pre- or neo-natal event." For Michele Bachmann, it seems to have come later in life.

I think it's neonatal, but it coincided with her "born again" birth.

Well we do know that mental retardation does occur in NEO-TeaPublicons.

And you are right toasty, aren't they all "born again" hypocrites ?

I say keep the woman in the race. She provides great comic relief! Put Palin in too, major entertainment there. I hope Bachman gets the nomination, that would make President Obama's win that much easier.

Born again--that explains the crazy eyes

Some time I think that some people just don't understand what life is all about, why lie?

"no-nothings" would be spelled "know-nothings".... please make a note of it.

Actually in this case it is "no-nothings" As in saying "no to everything" I think that is where that came from.

That made no sense. Think about it.

Indeed LostFlorida,

To state "No-nothings" because they are ostensibly the party of "no" as a retort shows VERNO has no command of the english language. It would imply the Republicans say "no to nothing" or, rather, they say "yes" to everything, which clearly they do not. So let me use your turn of a phrase in my own words:

Democrats are no-nothings on issues that stifle business growth, they always vote yes to encumber business and placate the liberal left wing of their party.

Mike, Bachmann wasn't talking about NOT vaccinating children. She was talking about one vaccine Guardasil which Rick Perry was trying to make mandatory. The vaccine was brand new and no one knew much about it when Perry was advocating it.

I myself like to wait a bit and see if a new drug or vaccine kills someone else before I get it. I don't appreciate anyone making it mandatory. Especially a politician on the take.

If Perry wants to do a huge public service, he should make it mandatory that eveyone who handles food be tested for TB and Hepatitis A and B. If all of you knew what I know, you would never eat out again. I'm sure just as many people die of Hepatitis as HPV but Perry wasn't in the position to get money from Hepatitis vaccines. Merck offered him $5000 but I have also heard he got another $30,000. Who knows how much more got to him through the grapevine but the fact that a politician is so egomaniacal that he thinks the American people can't see through it is really ridiculous. I can just hear him bragging to his pharmecutical pig friends that he was going to make the vaccine mandatory. What an arrogant jerk.

I think the mfg of Guardasil should sue the snot out of Bachmann in a very public way. Planned Parenthood should too. How many young women are not going to get vaccinated because of this rumor?

Marinmom, I agree with you, it should be a choice, not a requirement. Aside from Perry's kickback, do you think that requiring it had to do with it being subsidized by the state?

UWS: now why would you think that ? Rick Perry is a good Tea Party Republican, he would never change goverment regulations mandating purchase of a private company product just to increase the profits of a corporation that just happens to have contributed to him.

marinmom - Great point about the Hepatitis testing. Wouldn't it be nice if we had public officials who actually were focused on the public good rather than lining their own pockets or building up cronies to serve their career aspirations. It is sad that the public has become so fearful of vaccines and suspicious of science. I understand the nervousness and am someone who stays informed about possible issues to the extent possible. For example, I separated the MMR vaccine for my son when he was born because of concerns about possible issues with the combined vaccine that have since been discredited. I also made sure that my son only received mercury free vaccines which were just coming out when he was a baby. All that being said, I am overall a big believer in the importance of the vaccinations. Parents should read up on the diseases that are becoming more prevalent now that there are a growing number of parents choosing not to vaccinate. The early adopters were benefiting from the herd immunity that existed because of all of the vaccinated kids but the more this number goes down, the more instances of the illnesses will occur. Parents should educate themselves on the types of complications that can occur with these diseases as they make their decisions, they can be horrible. I guess there is a whole segment of society that now wants to reject modern science and the Bachmanns of the world are more than happy to feed them what they want to hear. I agree with waiting to see about the safety of a vaccine like Gardasil but once established, I would be first in line to have my boy vaccinated. HPV is being tied to more and more cancers.

I'm so disgusted by the whole lot of politicians. In my mind, the folks that are not self serving sleaze bags are few and far between, independent of party. Perry's big link with Merck is that one of his cronies is the main lobbyist for the company and also happens to be running his multi-million dollar PAC. So, it's not about the $30K, it's about influence peddling for the PAC. I'm happy to hear that Congress is investigating the solar energy firm in CA that rec'd half a billion in loan guarantees from the stimulus. That deal smells just as bad as the Perry situation.

It pains me to see that Bachmann and Palin are the best that we can do in the way of female candidates. Makes the whole gender look bad and honestly, I think what this country needs is more female leadership. Elizabeth Warren and Sheila Bair were two of the most educated and honest voices during the financial crisis and the good old boys and their corporate pals made sure that they were marginalized. The all male country club cronyism is what got this country into the financial mess. Same thing happens in corporate America.

Read Dr. Hulda Clark.

She has written 4 books.

She has not only cured cancer, but a multitude of diseases.

gold mind?

oops, typo...

Read Dr. Hulda Clark.

You round-earthers are all alike.

You act all smug with your "science." Then one day you drive off the edge of the earth, screaming like wussies.

Guess where the Quack relocated after they stripped him of his medical license in England. That's right, Texas!

Sir Trollington, no it doesn't if you have a brain.

@ Bill- post 11.1

What are you talking about?

Old vet, so sorry for your loss.

Thank you for posting, it is a timely reminder that science has and will continue to make our
lives better.

Third time's a charm :)

Only her hairdresser knows...

Poor old Rudy, he has become senile. Of all things he forgot about 9-11.

Because some people want to here platitudes and nothing else.

Thats how politicians garner support they lie. Do you think that only applies to Bachmann. The laundry list of Obama campaign lies is pretty long so not a good barometer. The real issue is her political positions, not her intellect, not her hair etc. If you substituted Hillary's name everywhere you found Bachmann on this blog right now, it would duplicate the way the far right treated Hillary. Do you guys really want to sound so shrill and have no credibility in your posts. Attack her positions if you think they wont hold water with voters. Personal attacks just give her more credibility than she deserves.

Kirk-

That's how politicians garner support, by lying?, really? That's an even more cynical outlook than my own, and only a little true...

Like to know your opinion of the assessments of these (27 of 34) uh, misstatements...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

Sec. Clinton was never called stupid, and with good reason. If Rep.Bachmann isn't stupid, based on the number of obvious misstatements she has authored, there is only one other alternative...

1-President Barack Obama "has virtually no one in his cabinet with private-sector experience."

2-"One. That's the number of new drilling permits under the Obama administration since they came into office."

3-Small businesses that have "$250,000 in gross sales for the business. They're the ones that are looking at massive tax increases."

4-Page 92 of the House health care bill "says specifically that people can't purchase private health insurance after a date certain."

5-ACORN will be a paid partner with the Census Bureau and "they will be in charge of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public."

6-Says the Constitution only requires her to tell the census "how many people are in our home."

7-In the 1970s, "the swine flu broke out . . . under another Democrat, President Jimmy Carter."

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

Your not going to get me to defend Bachmann because I dont like her but that doesnt make her stupid. You can make that same list with Obama statements from Gitmo, to transparency, to dont ask dont tell, to where he gets his political money backing from, to Tony Rezco but none of those campaign lies from Obama sway me at all. For me it comes down to his financial political positions and his inability to lead and understand basic economic behavior. Romney always says it correctly in that obama is in way over his head.

You are so right brother. Except Cheney can also add "war criminal" to his resume.

Kirk-

Actually no you can't. Obama's lies are "politician" lies, and of course ALL politicians lie, but your claim that they all lie and that their lies are the basis of their support is nonsense. Politicians often say one thing as candidates and do something else upon election, which is often the difference between theory and practice, but the type of lies espoused by Rep. Bachmann are incendiary and (as in the misstatements above) calculated smears, character assassination (See Rick Perry and HPV vaccine) and willful misrepresentations of facts that she has access to and continues to repeat.

While you may not support Bachmann and I am demonstrably not among the President's biggest boosters here, your contention that their lies are of the same ilk is not supported by even a cursory glance.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/barely-true/

Believe it or not, trying to create a moral equivalency between The President and Rep. Bachmann IS defending Bachmann, and I doubt that even the President's biggest detractors and critics, even here would share in that defense.

Because I dont like Bachmann and I agree she makes statements that will ruin her political chances so I am not sure why there is so much personal hatred towards her. If she will implode just let it happen. I agree that there isnt a moral equivalency but there certainly is a political equivalency between the two. Bachmann because of her religious beliefs is pandering to a segment of GOP primary voters that tend to make moral judgements. Her smears as you call them are based on her desire to win those votes. You may see that as moral, I see that as political. Obama certainly does the same thing. He panders wildly to the radical left and campaigns while in office to those constituents. He certainly smears his opponents look at the comments towards republicans, Bush, the Supreme Court in attempts to garner votes or pander to his base. I get that and I think all politicians do that. I would say that many of Obama's comments are very incendiary it just depends on what side of the political aisle, income, religion, race etc you are feel aggreived. You dont think the Jewish vote wasnt incensed by his Israeli comments based on the recent NY congressional vote? Maybe I have a thicker skin when it comes to all the promises and pandering and what you consider smears, as those attempts to garner votes by Bachmann dont bother me nor does Obama. If she is wrong as she was, the media will call her out on it and her positions will carry her or not. Same with Obama and I am more interested in idealogy and what they actually will want to carry out in office than all this noise.

The vaccine is probably a good thing, but he should have passed on making it legislation. If he thought that he was truly saving lives, he would have come out and say he had a conflict of interest to begin with. He didn't exactly cover anything up, but he didn't make it public knowledge either. Would people be upset with him if he DIDN'T make it law, but disclosed that it would be because he had a conflict of interest? Could he have left it up to the voters to make the decision?

I think we're more saying that in the Dumb and Dumber equation that is the Perry-Bachman debate Moonbat Michelle has Dumber locked up. Perry's Herculean efforts to the contrary non-withstanding.

Jeff, do you think Obama should disclose he got campaign contributions from the Solydana company that got hundreds of millions in government loan guarantees? Its not a conflict over $5,000. Perry is not going to ruin his career and make decisions on funds like that. Its a dirty political business and I would love to have it cleaned up but just the overlap with the government unions and politicians is so incredibily corrupt so I would say this is a nonissue.

Grover, see you lose all credibility when you make posts like that. Really advanced the ball didnt you. Bachmann isnt stupid she is a tax lawyer so get off the silliness and in comparison to Biden they both are absolute geniuses. So you may not like either one of them, but why do you bother posting stuff like that?

Kirk, being a tax lawyer doesn't mean you know everything.

Bachmann is a genius compared to Biden? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

No being a tax lawyer doesnt mean you know anything but it certainly doesnt make you stupid. Yes Scooter by all accounts including those who know Biden in office, he isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. Why do you think he sticks he foot in his mouth all the time and Obama keeps a close watch on him. He is a good foot soldier and very close friend to organized labor thats why he is popular with democrats. Plus he has earned his stripes.

Kirk - it's not about the $5K, it's about his crony being the chief lobbyist for Merck AND running Perry's multi-million dollar PAC. Think that a nice big fat corporate connection might help those efforts? I wish more of us could think independently and really scrutinize our candidates on either side. Then we might realize how much we are getting played by all of these crooks and look for that holy grail of a candidate that might actually care about the public good.

Moderatemom, I dont condone that at all and I agree that if there was a way to disentangle private interests and donations from politicians I am all for it. My point was that you really cant point out Perry without digging at all politicians on both sides of the aisle because they all do it. Perry's connection pales in comparison the Obama's connection to Solydana that just went under with a $500 million loan guarantee from the government in which the the benefactor was a much bigger campaign contributor and frequent guest at the white house. You can also directly connect the union contributions to government benefits provided in return. I am not defending the GOP as they are equally as bad. They are all bad. I just dont see the Perry connection as being newsworthy in that context.

We are in agreement then. I'm happy they are investigating the Solydana deal too. I guess the only reason we find out about these dealings is that the opposing rats rat each other out.

After coming into close contact with Michele, the divine being now suffers from a case of mental retardation.

She must have had the HPV vaccine, cause the way she talks...geez!