Bachmann continues to seize on HPV

Republican presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) appearing on the "TODAY" Show Tuesday, September 13, 2011.

TAMPA, FL -- During an appearance on the "TODAY" Show this morning, GOP candidate Michele Bachmann told NBC's Matt Lauer that a woman approached her following the GOP debate last night to recount a story of an HPV shot gone wrong.

“I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate,” Bachmann said. “She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.

“The mother was crying,” Bachmann added. “I didn’t know who she was before the debate.”

The anecdote marks another development in Bachmann’s attack on Texas Gov. Rick Perry over his 2007 order requiring HPV vaccinations for girls entering the 6th grade. Last night, Bachmann suggested Perry’s executive order was driven by political -- and undue financial -- considerations.

“We cannot forget that in the midst of this executive order, there was a big drug company that made millions of dollars because of this mandate,” Bachmann said during the CNN-Tea Party Express debate.  

Merck, the company in question, manufactures the vaccine, which is called Gardasil.

“The governor's former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company,” Bachmann said, after the moderator pressed her to elaborate. “The drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor.”

In a lively exchange, Perry countered: “It was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raised about $30 million, and if you're saying that I can be bought for 5,000 [dollars], I'm offended.”

Bachmann replied that she was offended “for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice.” Her comment won cheers.
       
This morning on "TODAY," Bachmann added: “There is no second chance for these little girls if there’s any dangerous consequences to their bodies.”

HPV, a sexually transmitted infection, has been shown to cause cervical cancer. But mandating a vaccine against a sexually transmitted infection has proved unpopular among social conservatives.  The program has also become a focal point for criticism from Tea Party conservatives alarmed by expressions of executive power.

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Thanks Bachmann---WOW, did I say that!

Here's a bumper sticker PPP...Perry Politics = Ponzi

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#1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT

“The mother was crying,” Bachmann added. “I didn’t know who she was before the debate.”

GREAT!

Our first Josephine the Plumber moment of the 2012 election... lmao

Also, it's my understanding the vaccine is given starting at the age of 11 or 12...

Another liar liar pants of fire award goes to bat sh!t crazy Bachmann!

Why is the MN ding bat deem it necessary to LIE?

There's more then enough TRUTH about this out there to support her accusations without having to embellish them..

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#1.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT

"Why is the MN ding bat deem it necessary to LIE?"

It's what they do Feisty!....Can't help themselves...But I do appreciate her dinging up on Slick Rick!

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#1.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT

This is so confusing to a Democrat. What does this controversy have to do with creating jobs? And if it's about healthcare, how will the uninsured women pay for the treatment of cervical cancer?

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#1.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:02 PM EDT

About two-thirds of American women are breadwinners/co-breadwinners for their families. Women face unique challenges during periods of recession. For example, two-thirds of all K-12 teachers are women at at time of teacher layoffs. The following is a very quick run-down of help and opportunities for women in the President Barack Obama's American Jobs Act. A longer detailed look is in the fact sheet URL listed below:

Women and the American Jobs Act:

  • The jobs bill will cut taxes for over 900,000 women small business owners.
  • It will allow 280,000 teachers to keep, or return to, their jobs. This would have an especially large impact for women, who make up 78 percent of America’s K-12 teachers. It would also help modernize 35,000 of the schools where they work, and where our children learn.
  • It will put construction workers back on the job repairing our nation’s roads, bridges, dams, airports and schools, while creating specific employment and job training opportunities for groups that are underrepresented in the construction profession – including women.
  • It will extend unemployment insurance, helping 2.6 million women in danger of losing their benefits.
  • It will provide states with support for summer jobs programs for low-income youth, including the 15.6 percent of women ages 16 to 24 who are unemployed. In 2012 and 2013, this program would support year-round jobs, as well.
  • It will cut payroll taxes for an estimated 77.9 million working women throughout the country, leaving them with more money to support their families, and spend in their communities.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/09/women-and-american-jobs-act

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/women_factsheet_jobs.pdf

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#1.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT

"This is so confusing to a Democrat"

Democrats are easily confused....

What did ObamaCare have to do with creating jobs? Nothing, quite the opposite.

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#1.5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT

Bachmann is so good at hounding........omg, such that she's going to drum off Perry's ears with this issue.

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#1.6 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM EDT

What did ObamaCare have to do with creating jobs? Nothing, quite the opposite.

As evidenced by...?

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#1.7 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT

It's what they do Feisty

You mean like this chilled? lol

Perry cited a $5,000 campaign donation from Merck, but according to records from the Merck PAC, Perry has received nearly $30,000 in donations from the drug company over his decade as governor of Texas. The $5,000 Perry referred to was merely the Merck donation from 2006, one year before he established the executive order.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2Fblogs%2Fpolitics%2F2011%2F09%2Frick-perrys-2007-hpv-vaccine-decision-haunts-him-at-debate%2F&ei=XoRvTtnEGqHLsQLwnbHoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOiHdstYysPq6v84b-viLAEeHi7Q

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#1.8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT

I heard a while ago that Obamacare will require the HPV vaccine to be mandatory. Is this true?

    #1.9 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:35 PM EDT

    "The FDA has received no reports of brain damage as a result of HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix........
    ......The most charitable analysis that can be offered in this case for Bachmann is that she got duped into repeating a vaccine-scare urban legend on national television. It looks more like Bachmann sensed that she had won a point and wanted to go in for the kill, didn't bother to check the facts, and didn't care that she was stoking an anti-vaccination paranoid conspiracy theory, either. Neither shines a particularly favorable light on Bachmann."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777639/posts

    What's there to add....but that Bachmann has been 'bafooned'.

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    #1.10 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT

    Yup Feisty,

    Slick Ricks flip answer was amazing to say the least. He needs more than a mere $5,000 to do the lobbys' bidding......You gotta' really pay for him to play!

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    #1.11 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:04 PM EDT

    The only one suffering from retardation is Michelle Bachmann!

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    #1.12 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

    And that pretty much sums up the role of science in Michele Bachmann's world.

    By the way, I wonder if she told the woman to sue the manufacturer of the vaccine.

    Nah, that would just raise the cost of drugs and enrich the trial lawyers, wouldn't it?

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    #1.13 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

    MAN-O-LIVE!....What a great feeling knowing that my family and I help elect Michele Bachmann! How refreshing to have a politician that actually believes in th American Constitution!

    What a stark contrast from the current resident of the White House who had NO problem trampling on my Constitution with the passage of Obamacare!

    Lean Forward Baby!....Obama's one-n-done!

      #1.14 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

      Oh that is just terrible!!! What will they do next Tell parents they need to vaccinate their children against diseases such as polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc.

        #1.15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:55 PM EDT

        Doesn't say much for you and your family does it mmnord1969.

        You ever see a tea people GOP republican that checked the facts Richard? Facts are foreign to them.

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        #1.16 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

        Mo-1852032
        Doesn't say much for you and your family does it mmnord1969.

        You bet Mo....It tells me that my family and I love the American culture and do not want to see it erode by socialist policies.

        Where does YOUR heart stand Mo?

        God Bless America Baby!

          #1.17 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:04 PM EDT

          MAN-O-LIVE!....What a great feeling knowing that my family and I help elect Michele Bachmann! How refreshing to have a politician that actually believes in th American Constitution!

          You guys have you heads up your fannies, because the Republicans do nothing but spit on the American Constitution.

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          #1.18 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT

          That's right, Feisty;

          Rick is offended that she thinks he can be bought for $5,000. No doubt he was snickering inside that she had her number wrong - I guess he CAN indeed be bought for $30,000, right?

          Who needs a joke writer when these fools are joke machines?

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          #1.19 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT

          LMAO Job1...you're an idiot and I'm tickled pink that you're utlizing your First Amendment rights to display such...I say keep on keepin' on baby......show the world what you're made of.

          Differences of opinion should be heralded. The difference between you and I is that I don't like socialism and it will eventually break the great United States of America. I believe in the American Dream.

          I believe that ALL politicians should memorize the American Constitution before they are sworn into office.

            #1.20 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:51 PM EDT

            I guess he CAN indeed be bought for $30,000, right?

            Like Obama's $35,000 a plate dinner on his birthday??

            Morons...grow up....all politicians raise funds, including YOUR Holiness Mr. Obama.

              #1.21 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT

              nimrod,

              yes, politicians raise money; but they don't pass legislation by executive order to 'payback' their contributors by mandating a medical innoculation. or at least until rick perry took the throne they didn't.

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              #1.22 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM EDT

              Wow Clara....if you're going to provide a point, please be consistant.

              I COMPLETELY disagree with Rick Perry's executive order. As a matter of fact, it's enough for me NOT to vote for him. I woke up this morning and donated to the Bachmann campaign I was so disgusted at Perry. In the same token tho, I whole-heartedly DISAGREE with Obmacare for the same exact reasons.

              I am lost on the fact that liberals have been screaming for DECADES on a womans right to choose (hey God bless) but welcome with open arms Obamacare. Government healthcare any way you slice it and soon to be found UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

              Riddle me that please so that I can understand.

              P.S - I don't think ya wanna start the whole "payback" thingy. Think Obama - Trumka....ObamaCare - Trial Lawyers and on and on and on......

                #1.23 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:12 PM EDT

                If one can back away from the "how does this affect me?" posture regarding Governor Perry's mandated HPV vaccine and look at the bigger picture, it is clear that, although the Governor may have been a bit ham-fisted in his approach, his intentions were all about protecting women from a terrible disease which takes thousands of lives each year. First, there was NEVER a day in which parents couldn't opt out of the vaccine, quietly and privately. Texas takes parental rights very seriously and it is a mistake to jump to the conclusion that anything done in furtherance of public health is a subrogation of rights of parents. The fact is, girls have become more sexually active at a younger age than most parents care to admit, or even think about. So why not "opt-in" rather than "opt out"? For one reason, the Governor's plan would make this very expensive vaccine available to every girl whose parents choose to participate, which is most of us. We vaccinate against nearly every other malady for which vaccines exist and the drug companies can hardly produce them fast enough. For another, opting out is simpler than opting in. Fewer conversations with bureaucrats and school administrators. When our daughter was a young teenager, we were fortunate to be able to afford this preventative; not every family in Texas can find an extra hundred dollars - on top of good medical coverage - to protect their daughters from an unseen killer. Do vaccines sometimes cause problems? Yes, they do. So do flu shots and polio vaccines, and there is no way to know until the damage is done. So, parents who don't trust vaccines, or those who believe their little girl is waiting for marriage had the privilege of saying no, thanks. Governor Perry, through his order, removed the financial burden of paying for this life-saving vaccine and made it available to every girl in Texas. Let's face it - many thirteen year olds are already active and the proof abounds. Sadly, the strata of society which can ill-afford to pay for preventatives out-of-pocket appear to be the very ones that need the assistance. This is neither a Tea Party issue, nor is it a right-wing/left-wing issue. Nor is it a Christian issue. It is about access to preventative medicine and saving the lives of young Texans. Period. Michelle Bachman was shrill and hateful about something she might have better understood had she been able to consider the broader picture, rather than shrieking about an individual's right to choose for their daughter and pretending twelve and thirteen year old girls have no understanding of – or participation in – sexual behavior. There was never a plan to have Gestapo-life public servants jabbing needles into little girls’ arms. Believe me, as a native Texan and a mother, I can assure you that the government here is not about taking control away from parents. A sad commentary on American society is the prevailing attitude is "how does this affect me,me,me" rather than "is it possible that this is, for some, a good idea?" Although I did not agree with Governor Perry's mandate, I certainly understood what he was trying to accomplish – fewer preventable cancer deaths among young women. Frankly, that's the kind of thinking my husband and I want for our state and our citizens. Can't have it both ways, folks. Either the Governor respects and values women or he does not. His style of governing and his appointments support the former. The press to vaccinate young girls - BEFORE THEY BECOME SEXUALLY ACTIVE - was another instance of Governor Perry's respect for the lives and futures of Texas women. A payback for contributions? Those who make such absurd statements don't know one thing about Rick Perry.

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                #1.24 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT

                mord

                Are you saying Obama signed an executive ORDER, unilaterally mandating healthcare? And a true women's right to choose would also include insurance that covered said medical procedure; but Repubs have a lock down on that discussion, right?

                In a country that was formerly the leader in many innovative ideas and concepts, it is demeaning that we continue to trail (and get mired in the relitigation of our trailing) on things that most of the civilized world have accepted as basic human rights.

                but we get to watch the yahooz in your party and their audience CHEER and APPLAUD letting someone die because they can't afford their care.

                And we're not the ones putting CHRIST in the center of our platform; but it is STUNNINGLY un-Christ like to pursue the behavior that the Republican Debate audiences seem to want to display so openly.

                PS. For those so inclined, W stated in the HBO document that he basically FELT the bloodlust of the crowd when he addressed them in New York on September 14th, 2001. So he GAVE THEM WHAT THEY WANTED. Since Rick Perry has been described by REPUBLICANS that have known him for years as George W. Bush without the intellect or the ethics,...I can only SHUDDER to imagine the direction this rhetoric is taking. Rabbit Hole comes to mind. But do throw your money and support at Bachmann. That tells me you have no qualms about supporting crazy. Good luck with that. Maybe you're one of those hoping she'll submit?

                  #1.25 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

                  Clara Baby, as much fun as I'd having "taking you out" as Jimmy Hoffa would say, I have some stuff that I have to get done.

                  You admire socialism and I admire individual freedom and the American Culture. No biggy, that's our difference and we each hope that our beliefs will win.

                    #1.26 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

                    It isn't individual freedom if you are shackled with a chronic or fatal disease and you can't seek treatment,...

                    That's just cruelty. we treat animals better than how the jackals in the last two audiences would choose to treat human beings

                    And that tells me everything I need to know about the party and often the supporters. bloodlust is dangerous. of course, so is money changing. but I don't want to go all biblical on you.

                    ps. I am happily married, I don't need to be 'taken out' by anyone but my husband. Who's hoffa? (I kid).

                      #1.27 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT

                      lol....Please, Please tell me that post was not real Clara!

                      Nevermind - I just seen the ("I Kid")....Good One.

                      Have a great day!

                        #1.28 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT

                        mmnord1969

                        You Brown Shirt Tea Baggers are the low information, stuck on stupid and the dumbing down of America group.

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                        #1.29 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:53 PM EDT

                        LMAO Job1......you are a complete moron aren't you?

                        I applaud your first amendment rights and YOU call ME a brownshirt?!?!......lol.....I think you need a history lesson, dictionary, and a link to Wikipedia....lol....Just do a simple Google search after you strap on your helmet.

                        You DO realize the Nazi brownshirts believed in socialism, JUST like you?

                          #1.30 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:27 PM EDT

                          Anyone who supports Bachmann doesn't have an bit of common sense. So, I will excuse you.

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                          #1.31 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:48 PM EDT

                          The politician that vows to take a copy of the Constitution & Declaration of Independance to the Oval office offends you.

                          Awesome

                          Makes me happy as crap Ms. Bachmann received some of my hard earned money this morning.

                            #1.32 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:58 PM EDT

                            Well good. You give your money to a losing cause that will never be President, and I will give mine to President Obama.

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                            #1.33 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

                            I will give mine to President Obama.

                            As will I - not to mention I will be knocking on doors reminding people of the class warfare thats being waged in this COUNTRY!

                            And I wasn't #1 sales person in my department for NOTHING! ;o)

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                            #1.34 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:28 PM EDT

                            Oh Job1.......Can't we all grow up and admit that neither Ms. Bachmann NOR Mr. Obama has a snowballs chance in hell of occuping the Oval Office in 2013?

                            No matter how many doors Crusty Redhead knocks on, the only thing she's going to gain is a sh!tpile of exercise. Thumbs up girly_bits!

                            We all know Obama is done.

                              #1.35 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:36 PM EDT

                              Does any one really know the main reason Bachmann brought this subject up about the HPV vaccination? It wasn't all about the mandating, but also about how HPV is acquired, sexual intercourse, and Bachmann knows that little 10-12 year girls don't and shouldn't have sexual intercourse, especially when they are not married. This is a strict belief of their, sexual relationships are forbidden.

                                #1.36 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:56 PM EDT
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                                “I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate,” Bachmann said. “She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.

                                “The mother was crying,” Bachmann added. “I didn’t know who she was before the debate.”

                                I suppose it couldn't have had anything to do with the lead paint from the cheap toys made in China that mom bought at WalMart.

                                • 9 votes
                                Reply#2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

                                Unfortunate headline to the post, FR. It implies that Bachman both has HPV and is suffering seizures because of it.

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                                Reply#3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

                                "Bachmann replied that she was offended "for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice." Her comment won cheers.

                                Am I to understand Michelle Bachmann is pro-choice now?

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT

                                Why in the hell would apple cheeked little 12 year old girls in Texas need a vacine for STD's, what the hell goes on in Texas.

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                                Reply#5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:06 PM EDT

                                Its all about MONEY my dear man MONEY. Perry dog just got caught with his pants down. It's more of this in the future about creep. we here in Texas can't stand the ground he slides on.

                                the more they fight the Truth will come out.

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                                #5.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

                                when you say to GOP/TP they'll do anything to protect the rich and corporations welfare they'll say you're a killer of free market. now we beginning to see the truth come out. The $5000.00 Perry revealed last is going to turn out to be a lie. I betcha, he got more than he declared.

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                                #5.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT

                                In that year he received a donation of $5000.00from Merck overall he has received 30000.00, I would reiterate the words of Perry last night, "Do you really think he can be bought for $30,000" It is absurd to even think and @Pen you should be ashamed for even saying so. @trublu again, man do you ever have anything worthy to say? If it is all about the money the total contributions would have been much greater than $30,000.

                                Now @Forrest Grump nationwide surveys put the sexual activity of girls start, in some cases, as early as 10 years old. You so boldly posted that having a mother at home and a baseball bat will solve that issue without a vaccine but what about single parent families or more simply rebellious children. Should those girls suffer this cancer because they made a bad choice or "wrong" decision? It should not have been mandated I will agree with that but if you look at it from the point of view of compassion verses this open hostile point of view you will see that it was about saving this little girls from the possible mistakes they might make and that statistics show most will make. People this is a far different time then when I grew up with my mother at home after school, most houses have 2 incomes and no mom at home now or worst even a single income with only one parent.

                                I mean if you look at from the perspective of hostility why any childhood vaccine? Every vaccine has risks and they are mandated? But I am willing to bet just about everyone of you, excluding myself (I opt out for all except the absolutely required ones), took there child or will take their child to the doctor and get those vaccines without so much as flinch. The difference, if you please, is that the Governor mandated this one and he has already apologized for that portion. Move on.

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                                #5.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT

                                Same thing that goes on in every other state. They begin to mature and, being bombarded by sexually-based television ads, billboards, pageants, clothing manufacturers, etc., they are encouraged to mature long before the appropriate time. This is about being proactive in protecting girls from a very real - and fatal - hazard. If you think the girls in your state aren't sexually active until they are [you fill in the blank], you are complete out of touch.

                                  #5.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT
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                                  move on already, he has said it was a mistake.

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                                  Reply#6 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

                                  Just like a tea bob just let it go . we know what happen when the last president said ( I should have did it different ).

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                                  #6.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:28 PM EDT

                                  Whats the matter Carla the light to bright, if so go back to the shadows already.

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                                  #6.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:53 PM EDT

                                  If it was a mistake Carla. Then why did he mandate it?

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                                  #6.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT

                                  How lame is it that I have to respond to this. The mandate was the mistake. Unlike others running Perry has a unique perspective, take responsibility and move on. It is only being brought up as an attempt to cause him to lose ground not as an issue that the American people care about. Drop it already, no way that Backmann makes up the lost ground of poorly worded states and misstatement so forget about her she is gone from this election and move on.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
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                                  I raised a few daughters, their vaccine when they were 16 year old teenagers and dating was a full time mother in the home, and my baseball bat.

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                                  Reply#7 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

                                  Forrest keep your daughters educated and think for themselves, don't get Brainwashed like this tea tar Carla3786779

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                                  #7.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT

                                  All my kids are all grown adults now, all of them turned out fine we never had any of the many of the troubles people seem to have so much of now days raising kids. My wife deserves all the credit, I worked all kinds of crazy hours for years, she was always there to help them or ride herd whichever they needed that day, every day.

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                                  #7.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

                                  What exactly does Carla have to do with this comment @trublu? Seems you are just doing the same as Backmann and bashing to try and get heard...ok then yes a baseball bat and a mother help but in this economy you cannot alway have a mother at home or for that matter be there with the baseball bat. So although in the 90's that type of do it yourself worked it is much harder now.

                                  Understood and I would agree just cannot always have it your way!

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                                  #7.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:56 PM EDT

                                  Well, aren't you the enlightened parent. Who did you use the bat on?

                                    #7.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT

                                    Teenage boys of course, used to keep it in the umbrella stand by the front door, never actually had to use it but I would make it a point to explain what I could do with it if anything happened to my girls. Then Mrs. Grump would explain the batting order her and my sons would follow after I was done, I don't know about enlightened, but as it turns out it was effective. I got some fine son in laws, they treat my daughters like a man should.

                                      #7.5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
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                                      A "government injection", Michele? Really? You make it sound like Texas rounded up all the "little girls", Buchenwald-style, and force-injected them at the point of a gun. Plainly, that's NOT what happened, whether I agree with this policy of Perry's or not. Let me be clear - NO WAY do I want someone like you, inclined to spin the wildest possible narratives of events, to be president. You're just dangerous, because you don't see things clearly and you don't think clearly. You disregard facts. There is far too much conservative clutter in your head.

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                                      Reply#8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:20 PM EDT

                                      I think it is appealing that any self respect 4th place finisher could even thing to disgrace herself with her rude comments. She has no knowledge of the situation short of a brief that was presented her prior to the debate with punchlines as a lame attempt to try and gain ground. They should remove Ron Paul, Backmann and crew from the debates and stop wasting our time with this nonsense.

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                                      Reply#9 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT

                                      I have to say I agree with Bachmann. Vaccination is the ultimate 'natural selection". It is like seat belts and motorcycle helmets. If you do not have enough sense to understand the importance....maybe your gene pool should dry up right then and there.

                                        Reply#10 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:57 PM EDT

                                        no sense of irony at all that the 'small government' crowd wants to MANDATE it? hmmm, okay, then.

                                          #10.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM EDT

                                          Great, but women don't have a say in other reproductive issues...

                                            #10.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:31 PM EDT

                                            sanctity of life ends at birth for GOP/TP Funny, I never know Bachmann was pro-choice.

                                              #10.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
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                                              So Bachmann and the Tea Party are joining up with the anti-vaxers? Just when you thought they already had a monopoly on every variety of anti-science craziness. Hey, Michelle, maybe you should look into how those evil socialists faked the moon landing next...

                                                Reply#11 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:26 PM EDT

                                                I agree that Perry, a member of the party that advocates smaller government, acted in a way that is inconsistent with the Republican's philosophy about non-intervention into the lives of Americans about personal matters.

                                                  Reply#12 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT

                                                  So what about all of the other vaccines that are required for children...I guess only the Democrats made those mandatory?

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                                                  #12.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
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                                                  Not in this lifetime, it's okay to be a hypocrite when it suits you...

                                                    Reply#13 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:29 PM EDT

                                                    So again what did all this debate do? Nothing except make the TEA Party members look even more outrages and hypocritical of their beliefs. NO REAL MENTION OF JOBS OR HOW TO CREATE ANY. When are the TEA party and GOP going to get it together and come up with a united plan on jobs? Create one plan and give it to Obama so maybe he can use some of it to improve his plan.

                                                      Reply#15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:06 PM EDT

                                                      I grew up around people like Rick Perry. I see right through him, don't take him all that seriously, but don't find him particularly scary.

                                                      This Bachmann, on the other hand...

                                                      Too opportunistic to be a liberal feminsit when that doesn't look politically promising just now, she "seizes" on the first woman-related issue she can find to prove to the sisterhood that she's looking out for them (unless of course God wants some of them dead in a hurricane while He is weather-texting her about his political views).

                                                      "Petty" doesn't even begin to decribe this cross-eyed harpy. HPV killed my sister and tied up my wife's health for years as doctors probed and froze and speculated. Some acted as if she were some streetwalker that brought it on herself, and others shrugged it off as if it were as common as sneezing. Certainly the medical community was at a loss, and this was not so long ago. When, years later, a vaccine was developed, and thank God the birth of our daughter was not affected by the condition, we both breathed a huge sigh of relief. Of course we want our little girl protected.

                                                      Troll around and read my other posts. I am not a big fan of government on the whole, and police-state tactics certainly abound in our country at times. But giving children shots to help save lives? Come on. Even if in my fantasy world the Federal establishment was about 10% of what it is now, the CDC would still be up and running. Providing for the common defense is a constitutional duty of government.

                                                      This Bachmann is without scruple, honor, courage or taste. I wouldn't elect her assistant dogcatcher. If she were not so obsessed with getting attention at any price she would probably be an ACLU attorney or a spinster librarian. Like Reagan and Little Bush before her, lots of bolsheviks have found it convenient to disguise themselves as conservatives when that is where the spotlight is aimed.

                                                        Reply#16 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:45 AM EDT

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                                                        Rick Perry is of my people. I have known his type all my life, the political evangelicals. I don't hate them, I criticize them for their own vulnerability. For every born-again like Bush2, so eager to prove themselves to God and appear sure of themselves when they are quaking with fear inside, there is an undead like Cheney who knows exactly what he is doing and fears nothing. Perry has his power brokers, I'm sure, but it doesn't make me think his every living breath is evil. This vaccination policy made sense, and he defended it in good conscience. Do I want him as head of state and commander in chief? Hell no. But he is no monster.

                                                        With the kinds of random idiotic bombast Bachmann spews off to turn the spotlight back on herself, her potential to do great evil if placed in power seems much more fearsome.

                                                          Reply#17 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:01 AM EDT

                                                          To all you Tea Party haters out there. Give Michelle a break. What Bachmann is doing is exactly the same thing that our founding fathers worked tirelessly to achieve. For example, one of our most beloved founding fathers, Paul Bunyan, devoted his lifetime fighting to stop government-mandated injections of human growth hormones to infants. Don't believe me? Check it out yourself in Michelle Bachmann's autobiography!. Now there's a woman who has her facts straight. And you thought Sarah Palin owned the monopoly in giving inpromptu history lessons. With these two ladies forming the twin pillars, and the ever-so-adorable Christine O'Donnell serving as our PR manager, the Mad Tea Party is here to stay, and we will not stop fighting until every vaccination programs are banned, lies about the global warming and evolution are forbidden from being discussed in schools, and every American citizen old enough to ride a tricycle owns a gun to defend her/his liberty!

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                                                          Reply#18 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:02 AM EDT

                                                          Love, love, love your sarcasm!

                                                          Please post more often!

                                                            #18.1 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:34 PM EDT

                                                            Wendy -- what Clara said!

                                                            Got my vote! ;o)

                                                              #18.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:40 AM EDT
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                                                              I love these Repugant Debates......they demonstrate how ignorant these candidates are. Unfortunately, so is the voting public.

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                                                              Reply#19 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:31 AM EDT

                                                              First of all the government should have ZERO rights to decide on what I inject into myself or my children. That is insane, especially for a vaccine intended to prevent certain strains of an STD. Regardless of what all the slacker parents might think, there still are some girls who aren't running around having sex with multiple partners as a pre-teen. It's this little known concecpt of morals that good parents talk about daily and instill in their children so that they don't have to worry about these issues.

                                                              And to all you die hard vaccine advocates who love to believe what is reported to you by the news media as scientific fact, i can tell you from multiple personal experience as a nurse that administers vaccines routinely I have seen many adverse and several serious reactions IMMEDIATELY following or shortly after vaccine admnistration. Just bc you or your child has been "fine" does not mean all vaccines are safe bc the government says so...it means you were lucky.

                                                              After reporting every single adverse reaction I witnessed ( in every case excluding one incident) exactly NOTHING was done, no follow up, no inquiry complete and total denial that anything witnessed in our hospital could have been vaccine related. That is a load of crap, you have products being injected into individual's blood streams that contain an abundance of viruses,chemicals,preservatives,animal by-products and a number of these things cross the blood brain barrier and we have no idea how or why some people have neurological side effects and others do not. complications listed for most vaccines such as long term seizures, GBS, fainting and lowered LOC and permanent brain damage (all of theses are listed as vaccine side effects on the CDC website) are problems that originate in the brain bc of some type of assult it is experiencing, it is hardly a stretch for michelle bachmann, parents and health care professionals like myself to make the cliam that vaccines have the ability to do irreversible damage to our childrens developing brains. If you believe all the garbage out there propogating the lie that all vaccines are so incredibly safe for all kids you are delusional and living in a fantasy world.

                                                                Reply#20 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:39 PM EDT

                                                                Bachmann never believed for one moment that Gardasil causes mental retardation, and she was totally aware that parents in Texas could opt out of the vaccination program. Yet, she is perfectly willing to spread the idea that Gardasil is dangerous and parents were forced to have their daughters vaccinated. Truth does not matter to Bachmann. The ends justifies the means, she thinks. God save us if Bachmann were elected.

                                                                I don't agree with the vaccination program either, becauses it assumes that the girls are sexually active and that is an insulting assumption. But be honest Bachmann, and don't ignore inconvenient facts such as that parents can opt out.

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