Paul and Santorum spar over foreign policy

AP

Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).

At the CNN-Tea Party Express debate last night, the Tea Party crowd that gathered in Tampa, FL booed Texas Congressman Ron Paul after describing what he believed was the motive behind al Qaeda's attacks on 9/11. Paul also was challenged by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum over a blog post written on 9/11 by his campaign blogger.

In response to a question moderator Wolf Blitzer read from Twitter -- "Do you plan to decrease defense spending to balance spending? Or do you believe high spending is essential to security?” –- Paul (only one of two military veterans on the stage) tried to explain the difference between military spending and defense spending.

“There's a lot of room to cut on the military, but not on the defense. You can slash the military spending,” Paul explained, “We don't need to be building airplanes that were used in World War II -- we're always fighting the last war.”

He went on to say, “Most of the danger comes by our lack of wisdom on how we run our foreign policy,” and he repeated a statistic he uses on the campaign trail in Iowa:

“We're under great threat, because we occupy so many countries. We're in 130 countries. We have 900 bases around the world. We're going broke. The purpose of al Qaeda was to attack us, invite us over there, where they can target us. And they have been doing it.”

Paul went on to claim that al Qaeda has committed “more attacks against us and the American interests per month than occurred in all the years before 9/11” -- because the U.S. is “occupying their land.”

This didn’t sit well with Santorum, who has attacked Paul’s foreign policy views previously, and went after him for a blog post written by the campaign’s blogger Jack Hunter -– a conservative radio host and columnist for The American Conservative Magazine.

“On your Web site on 9/11, you had a blog post that basically blamed the United States for 9/11... You said that it was our actions that brought about the actions of 9/11."
Santorum fumed, "Now, Congressman Paul, that is irresponsible... Someone who is running for the president of the United States in the Republican Party should not be parroting what Osama bin Laden said on 9/11.”

Santorum received a loud applause from the audience, which later cheered at the idea that it is time to get out of Afghanistan.

The blog post on Paul’s campaign website that Santorum questioned asked what America has learned from 9/11, and concluded it is highly questionable that the nation learned anything. Hunter pointed to a statement made by former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who said if Congress cuts the defense budget, “We’re doomed to suffer another attack.” The blogger called Rumsfeld’s conclusion “beyond absurd,” and then quoted the former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheuer, to defend the position.

“Our growing number of Islamist enemies are motivated to attack us because of what the U.S. government does in the Muslim world and not because of how Americans live and think here at home,” Scheuer is quoted as saying.

Santorum strongly disagreed with that assertion. “We are not being attacked and we were not attacked because of our actions. We were attacked ... because we have a civilization that is antithetical to the civilization of the jihadists. And they want to kill us because of who we are and what we stand for.”

Paul didn't retreat from his position.

“This whole idea that the whole Muslim world is responsible for this, and they're attacking us because we're free and prosperous, that is just not true. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda have been explicit... They wrote and said that we attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians fair treatment, and you have been bombing…”

At this point, Paul was interrupted by a chorus of boos. He tried to talk over them, pleading with the audience to understand his position.

"I didn't say that. I'm trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing, at the same time we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years. Would you be annoyed? If you're not annoyed, then there's some problem.”

Immediately following the debate and the boos from the crowd, the Paul campaign sent a Tweet highlighting that Paul has raised more money from members of the military than all the other campaigns –- including President Obama –- combined.

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At this point, Paul was interrupted by a chorus of boos

Reasonable will get you no where fast with this bunch of fascists...

Applauding executions & letting a poor person die, while booing someone who makes sense...?

They're out for BLOOD!

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#1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT

Ron Paul likes to posture as Mr. common-sense and logic. But where is Ron Paul's logic on FEMA, for example? He doesn't believe in folks receiving Federal Disaster Relief. Recently, perhaps in a weakly indulgent moment, he relented and said the military might be permitted to us help out sometimes.

So, you are perched on top of your house with your children and baby in a flood ~ and your 'insurance' covers what? If you can afford insurance, will it cover a private helicopter to airlift you all off the roof? Will it cover healthcare at the hospital? And your house and car now underwater.

Where's the logic in the rest of Ron Paul's truth-to-power story? Normal folks want peace, no mystery in that. But everyday human beings also need safety nets, especially if the right wing is going to ignore all the weather conditions which spell c-l-i-m-a-t-e c-h-a-n-g-e.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:36 PM EDT

Correct - did you hear his comments from the end of the last debate about poor kid's lunch programs? This is what happens when you take the "human" out of humanity. Just like Paul Ryan and the tea party, they see numbers not people. You can cut budgets wisely, kind of like walking and chewing gum at the same time. Funny how this party is fixated on debt they originally created...

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT

@backhouse

Keyword: Federal

You talk here as if they states and counties don't have emergency management groups....heck, they all have their own websites.

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#1.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT

Jester -- one problem is that states are of different sizes and populations. Look at the recent floods in Vermont. The state has 620,000 people....Texas has some 25,000,000 people...Texas has 40 times as many people to share costs as Vermont does, and 40 times as many people to care for in a hurricane. FEMA provides some balance to the picture.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT

Ron Paul doesn't think we should have FEMA for an insurance and bailout program, but he DOES believe in RESCUE missions. FEMA wastes more money and causes more problems and would be better off if that money was left to the states to deal with disaster relief.

Also, FEMA is 20 billion dollars in debt and you can't expect money to come out of thin air. At least he is offering solutions to make it work while we have it, by suggesting we cut military spending and putting that into it to help people in our own country.

And the school lunches comment-he said that is a state issue and the states have the right to make decisions on what's best for the community.

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#1.5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

FR:

Paul and Santorum spar over foreign policy

Ummm ... First Read? I think you misspelled "spew" ... ;-)

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:36 PM EDT

ScarlettSS:

FEMA is NOT in debt. FEMA is an agency of the federal government. The federal government is in debt. That said, FEMA is a relatively new agency. Its mission has always been somewhat unclear. For an example of how FEMA could work, and work well, you might want to look at California's Office of Emergency Services.

FEMA is something of a logistics and coordination-type animal. Unfortunately, as its role was beginning to take on definition, along came 9/11. Hello Homeland Security. If you want to screw up an agency that has coordination and cooperation as its primary mission, the best way to do that is to invite security personnel to run it. That's what has happened. Cop-types don't coordinate, they control. They don't listen, they command.

FEMA can and should be a responder that makes us proud. Get this foolish security aspect out of FEMA, and you'll see how well it can work.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

In watching all the documentaries and news reports over the weekend about 9/11, in an interview an al Qaeda leader said they never anticipated the US invasion of Iraq--that it was a gift. Ron Paul is right that meddling in the Middle East contributed to hatred of the US and the 9/11 attack. And Bush/Cheney continued to fan those flames.

And Ron Paul is correct that military spending needs to be cut. What he fails to point out is how private contractors cost three times as much as our own military, and private contractors now outnumber our troops in Iraq. This is what happens when we privatize what should be government's role. Is it any wonder that the DAILY cost in Iraq is why we are broke? Also, since 9/11, the Dept. of Homeland Security has grown so large their offices would fill 22 capitals in the US. Does it not occur to Teabaggers that this is why we can't afford to pay teachers?

The Teabaggers are a bunch of Sybils with multiple personalities. They supported the invasion of Iraq, but not Libya, they support spending on defense, but boo Afghanistan, they want government out of their lives, but the Patriot Act, warrant-less wiretaps, and TSA pat downs are okay... The GOP/TP has moved away from the neocon Bush Doctrine and have no foreign policy platform at all now. They have no clue. They are not qualified to run the country, period.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM EDT

On a seperate note about executions -- Capital punishment is not much of a deterrence. It also costs taxpayers more than life imprisonment because of all the appeals and legal fees. In fact, leaving certain ciminals(like Jeffrey Dahmer) in the general population of prison often resolves itself very quickly. If Teabaggers are interested in reducing the debt, or being Christians who don't want the mistake of executing someone for a crime they did not commit, stop cheering idiots like Perry and do the math on 234 executions.

And while on the topic, studies show that unwanted children born into poverty grow up to be criminals. After abortion was made legal, the crime rate went down. Now that isn't to say birth control isn't a better solution. If Teabaggers want poor women to have access to education and birth control, then they should support Planned Parenthood. Once again, do the math of funding Planned Parenthood versus building and operating more prisons.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM EDT

you talk about ron pauls common sence missing when talking about FEMA then go on to talk about having a helecopter air lift a family. Well RP advocates states responcibilty, and that helecopter belongs to the state national guard. I the federal governemnt never got involved in disaster relief and your state set up a emergency fund it would be handled better with less fraud and abuse. Thats Ron Pauls point.

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM EDT

Ron Paul is one of the few people who expose the corruption in the U.S.A government. If ayone here thinks that America is a great nation, think again. We have profited from every war and have taken advantage of every nation we go to war with. Examples: We had to stop Hitler in Nazi germany, great cause, but why did we take the scientists from Germany and put them in our laboratories? We have used their experimental techniques in our vaccines, look at the research people. They are just as evil as the rest of the Nazi's yet we compromised for personal gain. Look at the wars in Irag and Afghanistan. If anyone think that Oil was not a motive for invading the countries then think again. It's a resource that we need and now we control it on those territories. Look at drug trade, look into the history of the CIA and drug trade.....this is why Ron Paul wants to get rid of the CIA and the FBI. They are corrupted organizations that have this great reputation because they hide their true intelligence because they have the power to do so. There is too much power in the FBI, CIA, and the Federal Reserve and they run this countries best interest: Money, natural resources, information and security. If Ron Paul wants to erase this then I'm with him. He is the closest thing to a president that follows the constitution and rights of liberty and freedom and so far, is not a puppet like so many before him and against him right now.

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#1.11 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:49 PM EDT

Ron Paul makes people mad because he tells the truth and the average citizen just wants to believe everything they watch on Fox News or MSNBC.

Part of Paul's problem with FEMA is the federal insurance program which allows people to build houses in places they SHOULDN'T BUILD THEM because they flood every 20-40 years. Thus allowing tax payers in AZ to bailout poor planning in the gulf. The entire point of insurance is to manage risk. When you take that away you encourage poor decisions and you guarantee waste.

This is a completely REASONABLE and LOGICAL position. Even without FEMA, which makes more bad decisions than good, the National Guard and co-operation between states could not only fill the void, but do so better. (Of course our National Guard can't help now because they and their equipment are overused from the "war" on terror.)

This past month, when FEMA took over the fires in Texas, they sent home hundreds of volunteer fire fighters, fellow Texans, from around the state, who wanted to help, simply because FEMA had not decided to activate them yet.

People attack Paul because they just don't understand. They don't know that when he wants to get rid of the Federal Department of Education, that this would actually free up STATE DEPARTMENTS of EDUCATION to improve their schools without being pulled down by the incompetent bureaucracy of the feds.

Plus any logical and reasonable way you approach it, the Department of Education has been a COMPLETE FAILURE. But then, people say, what about these loans, and lunch grants ect... All of these things can be accomplished at the state level if the states choose.

It is the SAME WAY with everything Paul wants to change. Just because we have been doing something a certain way for 50 years doesn't mean we can't do it better... and just because a 90% failed government department has 10% good purpose, doesn't mean that 10% good purpose can't be accomplished the same via a different channel.

But then again... this is all too logical and reasonable for the average American... Never mind my post... shouldn't you be watching O'Reilly or Maddow?

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:02 PM EDT

Abraham,

You cannot rent a nice new fresh planet. But you can rent a helicopter.

An insurance company will charge you for anything that is possible. Anything.

btw, Make sure the roof of your house is comfy if you live on a flood plain.

    #1.13 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:05 PM EDT
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    Dr. Paul simply told the truth. If you cannot see that bombing the middle east for 50 years and having soldiers walking their streets for generations instills hatred for the American people then you are simply ignorant. Yes religion had something to do with it, but these radical Muslims would not have had such ease in recruiting if we had not given them a reason to. This is no disrespect to the victims of 9/11. In fact, I believe the greatest disrespect to all those lost is the fact that ten years later we are still involved in these wars. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We have never succeeded in nation building, we have never left a country we have occupied, and all we get for it is increased tension in the world, more hatred for America, devaluation of our dollar, ever increasing debt, and more incentive for the "terrorists" to attack us here at home. If you believe that our current foreign policy will all of the sudden have a good outcome, you sir or madame are insane.

    • 13 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT

    If Rep. Ron Paul is correct in America being in 130 Countries & haveing 900 Bases Worldwide, then Real Americans need to be asking themselves, How much longer can we Afford this? I know the answer, as do lotsa other Real Americans.

    With all this talk of Debt & Deficit, stories are comeing out about the True Cost(in $$) of chaseing a few hundred Radical islamist, in the Pretext of keeping America Safe. All i've read has been upwards of 5 TRILLION & counting, yes 5 TRILLION!

    Americans can't Afford to keep this up, while folks within our Borders suffer in Poverty.

    I Hope all of ya that voted for Bush twice, with his Taxcuts while wageing WAR, are Happy:

    Now That The Bill Is Comeing Due!

    • 9 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT

    You are 100% right on. Ron Paul has the guts to tell it like it is.

    • 8 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT

    I agree with Ron Paul on the military points. He is the only one in the room on any side addressing that 800 pound gorilla. Eisenhower warned us about the industrial military complex - they have a majority of the lobbyists out there, but if you speak the truth your unpatriotic. A typical republican tactic used on one of their own.

    • 9 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT
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    With one son having just returned from a FOB in the AFG and one who disagrees with most of Mr. Paul's libertarian positions, he is spot on....Let the Teabag pusses comments like bill lotsa numbers and joe in albany begin in 3-2-1

    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:58 AM EDT

    Moron.

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    #3.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:42 PM EDT

    What an intelligent response......not surprised coming from you joe

    • 1 vote
    #3.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM EDT
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    Well, there certainly were a good number of unreasonable people sitting in the audience and six on stage. I give Huntsman a little bit of credit for also being brave enough to attack current foreign policy. Santorum is pure moron and incorrectly paraphrasing Ron Paul's editorial on 9/11 should award him a seat to Giuliani level of obscurity.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT

    Glad you noticed how unreasonable the "wacky pack" was... Santorum was a joke as our senator in PA, hasn't changed a bit - the only "national" this guy can aspire to is the car rental company.

    • 4 votes
    #4.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT

    Santorum is only in the race as an audition for a neo-con war loving fear creating job at Fox News... He wants his own show and will likely get one.

    • 2 votes
    #4.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:07 PM EDT
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    Paul was correct. Ya know what doesn't sit right? Santorum, who proclaims to be pro-life, constantly bringing up foreign policy in such a way as to indicate he wants more, more, more wars and occupations. This policy is pure insanity (sorry Santorum supporters). If terrorists have attacked us because we are prosperous and free, why have they not attacked Canada? Switzerland? Australia?

    The answer is because of our foreign policy. Dr. Paul is 100% correct on this and, although the truth may hurt, it's time we grew up a notch or two and realized that.

    Our foreign policy fosters hatred. That is the reality.

    Now, if we really and honestly wish to protect Americans at home, spread the message of democracy and ensure a respect for human life, we have to rethink are military/defense.

    An audience booing a man who calls for peace is rather telling. Horrifying, actually.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

    Well said Deep

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    #5.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT

    If terrorists have attacked us because we are prosperous and free, why have they not attacked Canada? Switzerland? Australia?

    There are AT LEAST a HALF DOZEN countries on earth with more liberty and freedom than America. Yet these nations are virtually never targeted.

    These neo-cons are fake Christian money loving pieces of garbage. That's a simple as it gets.

    Too bad the media doesn't really call this out even though there are THOUSANDS of supporting documents from intelligence community, ambasadors, NGOs, and more documenting this Paul's stance on foreign policy to be true.

      #5.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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      Ron Paul is exactly correct in his assessment of 9-11. This does not diminish the fact that OUR fellow American's paid with their lives, or that violent reprisals from terrorists are OK. Dr. Paul is simply stating that the actions of the US Government in securing and promoting its global empire create significant hatred. Our government oppresses through the brutal dictators we prop up, the bombing of innocent civilians, and the occupation of their lands. We would feel no different toward the Chinese if they were acting in the same manner here on American soil.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#6 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT

      Definitely, we overreacted to 9-11 and created the Dick Cheney's and other neocons of that administration. They couldn't wait to seize on and push false information to go into Iraq. All we did was strengthen Iran in the process and removed a check and balance in that region. We played right into Bin Laden's plan for us, $3T and counting 10 years later, deep into a recession. My heart goes out to all the folks who died that day and the heroes during those hours. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but Ron Paul's assessment is correct for the most part. Interesting though, the republicans fained outrage when they thought president Obama was contemplating pulling out of the country...

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT
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      Teabaggers...Didya ever stop to think that the Europeans have been living on our dime since the end of WWII under both dems and republicans? How else do you think they can afford universal healthcare with such small defense budgets.

      Didya ever consider that American Corporate interests for the last 50 years have trumped the American People's interests?

      • 7 votes
      Reply#7 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT

      I really hope that the crowd at this debate is not at all representatives of Americans in general, because that was a shameful showing. They were literally booing the most reasonable candidate when he was speaking truth. Seeing this, and hearing the garbage Santorum was spewing was extremely discouraging, but I do believe that the American public is better than this, and that we will see evidence of this soon.

      • 15 votes
      Reply#8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT
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      As a veteran, I found the boos disgusting. Those who booed will never actually fight in the wars, because they are cowards who want to be told lies so they can feel good about their country. Ron Paul and Michael Scheuer are right. Santorum and Rumsfeld are evil liars that want to destroy third world countries for capitalist gains. How sick is that?

      • 10 votes
      Reply#9 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT

      Rick Santorum isn't smart enough to understand that his positions are about the gain of wealth and power. He's just a scared little boy who is too proud to admit that his actions and legislation have fueled the creation of an environment that is less safe for Americans. So instead he parades on about how a country that hasn't attacked anyone in over 100 years is only interested in becoming nuclear capable so that it can launch attacks on Israel and US simultaneously... But without an airforce or missile that can actually carry the warhead... He's not a liar, just really stupid.

      • 4 votes
      #9.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT

      Your right "sector7" being a vet I was sick to my stomach as well. War for profit - Haliburton laughed all the way to the bank and Dick Cheney got his stock options. How could we all have been so blind back then? Fear I guess. Whatever side of the political debate your on president Obama has done pretty well on the foreign policy front - I just wish he would pullout of Afghanistan quicker...

      • 4 votes
      #9.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT
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      Rick Santorum obviously didn't bother reading the 9/11 Commission Report -- that concluded that a large source of motivation for the attacks was our continued interference in the domestic affairs of Muslim countries. Bases on what Muslims consider to be holy soil pissed them off, not our freedoms. Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Lichtenstein, South Korea, France, and Japan are all free countries but Muslims haven't committed suicide attacks on them. Why? Those countries don't station troops in Muslim countries, they don't bomb Muslim countries, and they haven't propped up brutal and repressive dictators (from Shah Pahlavi to Hosni Mubarak). I hate to side with Ron Paul, but the guy has a point.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#10 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

      I would hate to side with someone who can't even answer a question as simple as "will you let the federal gas tax expire if you were president?"

      • 2 votes
      #10.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT

      Read, be informed, really? You have such high expectations of candidates...

      • 2 votes
      #10.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

      I hate to side with Ron Paul, but the guy has a point.

      Why would you hate to side with Ron Paul? HE is the ONLY candidate that predicted the housing bubble. He is the ONLY candidate that predicted problems for our foreign policy.

      It is a FACT that siding with Ron Paul will make you CORRECT more than not.

      By the way, how can you POSSIBLY support Michelle Bachman when she voted for the "Patriot" Act extension without even demanding a single debate on the issue?

      The "Patriot Act" is the most unconstitutional piece of garbage we have ever had... and she voted for it.

      Without ANY doubt, Paul is the most consistent on small limited government... Anyone claiming to be for small government, aka tea party and doesn't support Paul is a fraud... plain and simple.

      I hate to side with Ron Paul, but the guy has a point.

      Why would you hate to side with Ron Paul? HE is the ONLY candidate that predicted the housing bubble. He is the ONLY candidate that predicted problems for our foreign policy.

      It is a FACT that siding with Ron Paul will make you CORRECT more than not.

      By the way, how can you POSSIBLY support Michelle Bachman when she voted for the "Patriot" Act extension without even demanding a single debate on the issue?

      The "Patriot Act" is the most unconstitutional piece of garbage we have ever had... and she voted for it.

      Without ANY doubt, Paul is the most consistent on small limited government... Anyone claiming to be for small government, aka tea party and doesn't support Paul is a fraud... plain and simple.

      It is ALSO a FACT that you will NEVER be able to grow or tax our way out of debt without FIRST reducing the $1.5 TRILLION we spend per year on foreign policy/wars.

      • 1 vote
      #10.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:17 PM EDT
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      Ron Paul's statement about Why America gets attacked was THE BEST THING TO COME OUT OF the debate, yet its getting no airtime or talk. The media only wants to talk about the color of Backmans panties and if Perry wears boxers or briefs.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#11 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT

      Do you know why LouNJ? Because the media got it wrong back then and they will never concede that fact. They let GWB and his cronies off the hook because they were just as scared after 9-11. Fox News was the biggest cheerleader for war and all the other networks fell in line - that's how Fox got onto the national stage...

      • 1 vote
      #11.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
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      I think Santorum needs to remove his head from his rectum...and seriously what kind of monosyllabic sheep did they allow in? I wouldn't be surprised if they did IQ checks at the door and there was a cut-off point so no one with freewill or any intelligence was allowed in!!!

      • 8 votes
      Reply#12 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT

      Sorry, I'm from PA, Rick Santorum's head has always been there. I'm still not quite sure what he did as a senator here but talk about abortion.

      • 2 votes
      #12.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT
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      Apparently the crowd was filled with retards, if they didn't understand that Muslims hate us, because we are constantly oppressing them with war and sanctions. I believe our country is doomed anyway, so no surprise. People will learn when this evil country finally falls, and they look back and say "Oh, we were spending too much money killing innocent people overseas". I'm not even proud to be American, because we are the evil of the world, in their eyes. I almost want to claim I am Canadian, when talking to a foreigner.

      • 9 votes
      Reply#13 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
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      People booing Paul is a clear indication of closed-minds and unfortunately that seems to be the mindset of most here and they let the main stream news media dictate who their candidate will be. When I want news I want just facts. not opinions, not out of context quotes, just the facts of their background and where they stand on issues and what their plans are. that's all.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#14 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT

      If the audience's response to this question is any indication of the average Republican primary voter, this nation will be doomed for another 4 years because either with Obama (Mr. Peace that created 3 more wars) or any of the empire building Republican nominees sans Ron Paul, we're going to continue to do what is ruining this country.

      WE ARE BROKE! Rather than having discussions on senior care or other petty government costs, its time we look at how much these foreign occupations are costing us. Already over 1 billion spent in Libya, 2 billion a week in Afghanistan, and countless more in Iraq, Syria, etc. we are going broke with these wars. They don't make us safer or more prosperous. They fester hatred and drain our already drained accounts. If you wonder why your son, daughter, or grandchild has no future in America ($150K college degree with no job in sight), its because of these wars. Michael Schuyer, former head of the Bin Laden unit at the CIA, our own DOD documents, etc. all suggest America is more at risk than ever because of our foreign policy in Muslim countries.

      Paul supported retailiation against OBL after 9/11 but that was the extent of it. He wanted retaliation against Al Qaeda but didn't want to occupy and attempt to rebuild the entire Middle East. Rest assured Paul will defend this country if need be.

      If the neo cons in the audience support these wars, pack up your wife and kids and ship out. Donate your bank accounts to the cause and go fight the wars yourself. Stop telling Johnny from Iowa that he has to go get shot in the face fighting an endless war that only supports the vendors of war related goods.

      I surely hope that CNN stacked that audience with neo cons and that's not a reflection of the average American. If not, we still have more to learn as a nation. Hopefully we learn it before its too late.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM EDT

      Trillions of dollars are generated for the war machine entities the republicans are sworn to protect, that being said how many people think the republicans intend to cut one dime out of military spending? Make no mistake they would rather see our own citizens live in poverty than do that.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#16 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT

      Republicans? The democrats are doing the SAME thing. Both parties are in bed with the Military Industrial Complex. I voted for Obama in the last election, because he lied that he was gonna end the wars, and bring the troops home "on day one". He said "you can take that to the bank". I will never vote for EITHER establishment candidate again, and will be writing in Ron Paul, unless he runs 3rd party which I hope he will. Since even if the majority vote him in the primaries, the Republican establishment will disregard and rig it.

      • 2 votes
      #16.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT
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      Rick Santorum is parroting the same line that Rudy Giuliani did in 2007. Ron Paul put Rudy in his place by suggesting the famous "Ron Paul Reading List" to Rudy for his study on why terrorists target America and Americans. This all but put an end to Giuliani's attempts to characterize Paul as a loon and made Giuliani to backpedal from his fear and hate mongering stance and within a short period of time Giuliani's campaign began to implode.

      It appears time for the "Reading List" to come back into the forefront of the political discourse with Santorum. His already irrelevant campaign will become that much more irrelevant and then after dropping out of the race he can spend more time on his reading and perhaps be able to engage in a more intelligent dialogue.

      As to this supposed "Tea Party Express" debate event; are you kidding? Tea Partiers would never boo the type of comments that Paul was making last night. I smell a bunch of Democratic and NeoConservative plants in that audience. And how about that supposed "Afgani" woman who levied the last question??? What was THAT all about? Who was that woman and how much was she paid to be there, ask that question and paint that ridiculous smile all over her face?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#17 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT

      Ron Paul said nothing new on his blow-back views. He's mentioned this before in his candidacy and goes into great detail about it in his books and his websites. He's even referenced similar views held by the former chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer.

      Ron Paul is looking better and better with each debate and with each anti-Liberty article written about him and his supporters.

      Rick Santorum looked like a pugnacious little teenage twerp up there rolling his eyes to the ceiling with his mouth agape while listening to Paul speak. Childish antics, Rick. Real childish.

      The booers were obviously acting under prior suggestion, since Paul's other statements on foreign policy drew a great chorus of cheers from the crowd.

      Nice try main street media, BUT IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?!?!?

      RON PAUL 2012

      • 2 votes
      Reply#18 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

      Know thy enemy.

      Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people"

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

      • 1 vote
      Reply#19 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT

      Ron Paul speaks the truth. He does not make up stories to fit the neo-con's agenda.

      Santorum is just another one of these warmongering pro-lifers who was described by Jon Stewart as those who believe life begins at conception, but stops at out border.

      No more wars to change regimes. No more wars on drugs that target our poor communities of color.

      Ron Paul is the candidate for We the People. The rest are beholden to special interests and their own warped religious ideologies about the Middle East.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#20 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

      Listen, Paul isn't against disaster relief (that is ridiculous), he is against how it is being handled.  It doesn't need to be handled by a large and inefficient centralized bureaucracy.  First of all, FEMA is broke.  I'm sure they spend billions on paperwork alone.  Second, FEMA doesn't do a very good job in many cases and actually get in the way of local relief.   Third, FEMA encourages people to live in areas where they otherwise wouldn't.  If you cannot afford insurance you shouldn't be living there.  It encourages risky and financial irresponsible behavior.  Oh, thats right - the fedreal government will bail you out.

      How about this:  bring troops home and they can help out with unexpected disasters until we get back on our feet again.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#21 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

      Rick Santorum is repeating Bush's comments about the motive for attacking America and Americans-"they hate freedom". Really? This is based on what? It's an often repeated bit of political nonsense started by the Bush administration to deflect responsibility from U.S leaders who decide to invade foreign countries on a whim. There are a lot of countries that are democratic, have a capitalist based economy that enjoy the same "freedoms" as the U.S., and yet are not targets of the terrorists. The latter didn't just wake up one day and say, we should hate America. Ever since Bush Sr. left troops in Saudia Arabia after the Gulf War, there has been a significant increase in terrorist activities against the U.S. Mr. Santorum should be able to connect the dots. He was either paying lip service to the Tea party last night, or, if he truly believes what he said, he's not qualified to lead a boy scouts troop, let alone a country. Either way, he's dangerous.

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      Reply#22 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

      "They hate us for our freedoms" is complete hogwash and Bush administration propaganda.

      Some other free countries: Canada, Argentina, New Zeland, Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan , Germany, Sweden, Iceland, Italy, Austria, India, Poland, The United Kingdom

      "We're being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live" - Michael Scheuer, chief of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden task force

      "They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes" - FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald

        #22.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:20 PM EDT
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        Ron Paul is the only sensible person in government. We must end our military spending and our willingness to engage in unjust wars and aid other aggressor nations for the global Corporate Powers.

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        Reply#23 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT

        Did Rudy Giuliani talk to Rick Santorum about his absolute schooling he got from Dr. Ron Paul in 2007 and is still embarrased?  Or did I just have a  dejavu?  This is old news that is not what "Ron Paul says" on his website, but is written in the 911 commision report where the CIA advises us on the concept of blowback as a consequence of our miltary presence in the middle east? 

        As always Ron Paul is 150% correct...

        • 2 votes
        Reply#24 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT

        I feel like I just had a dejavu?

        Go to YouTube and add: /watch?v=Y0d-GEBrZOE

        

        • 1 vote
        Reply#25 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
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