Elect any candidate but Obama. Pass it on!

you read it here first Americans, mickey admits that the republicans have created jobs. lol!

Too bad it takes two jobs just to survive. Just work 16 hours a day until you are 70 and if the republicans have their way, you still won't have enough money to retire.

americans first - let the left keep on spending, it will just accelerate the process. Perhaps if the populace hadn't become so enamored with always having the latest toys, the constantly expanding government handouts and looked to the future we wouldn't have to make that type of choice.

In younger days, I heard stories of the old folks buying lots of dog and cat food. When asked what their pets names were, they either meowed or barked. Seems that little has changed, except the left wants to avoid taking any responsibility, but sure likes to blame.

To bad no economist or politician has ever come up with a plan to avoid recessions or the means by which to quickly recover from them.

Here we go again..liberals and their personal attacks. Enough is enough, first Palin, then O'Donnell, and Paul, and the list goes on and on. Bachmann probably has a higher IQ than most bloggers on here. We need a tax lawyer in the White House. Lawyers for Bachmann!

She has a law degree from the university of close cover before striking!

I guess it depends on your viewpoint. It's hard for me to imagine a group that resembles an attack dog as much as the more radical Republicans, but I'm probably more sensitive to them. Even taking that into account, I think hard core Republicans are the winners in the hate fest. The country is the loser.

Rick must not read the posts put up by the liberals.

I don't hate anybody just because they are republican, or conservative or whatever, I often poke fun at them, I do that, but I don't hate anybody who post's here, I got to know somebody very well personally before I love them or hate them. Disagreeing and poking a little fun is not hating, at least not in my book, I don't want any of my fellow Americans here thinking I hate them, because I promise you I don't.

Your welcome, glad we could bring a smile to your face today Rickster.

I will try, we all have to laugh a little because nobody is getting out of this life alive.

Obama is an elitist who takes monthly luxury vacations, golfs on a regular basis, and plays basketball. No thanks, I want a presidential candidate that is intelligent, not ignorant and unwise.

If liberals have such good ideals, they would compromise verses shove their agenda down the throats of the American people like Obama did with Obamacare and "pass this bill" demands. Obama is all or nothing, no compromise.

When Obama is done talking with Satan and understands why he is incompetent, maybe he can leave office and go on a permanent vacation.

LOL

Elect any candidate but Obama.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

The lies abound on both sides. Check your facts before posting them.

Obama is not "ignorant and unwise." The Republicans are unwilling to accept any kind of compromise in the interest of the American people. Their very clearly stated agenda has been to fight against anything Obama tries to do, and to Hell with the rest of us.

The word is versus, not verses.

Obama's a failure.

It no longer matters how many excuses the sycophants of Obama come up with for his lack of competency. It's really gotten rather mundane to hear their continuing derangement over his lack of achievement as president.

"he inherited", "because he's black", "not enough time", "he just got a new dog", "Michelle doesn't let him eat"

Rather silly at this point in the game. He's failed. To want to see him get four more years borders on masochism.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/09/poll-republican-2.php

Getting a little testy there Beverly. It depends on how you define ignorant. Being ignorant is probably to Obama's advantage. This way he can claim it when it comes to turning our economy around... spending trillions of dollars on failed programs and not getting the shovel ready jobs going when he had the first stimulus. Being ignorant is a good excuse... if he's not ignorant, then he's stupid, a much worse term.

Call me a masochist then because the majority of us that voted for Obama for President will be voting for him again. The republican obstruction to everything except the rich makes me want Obama for four more years more than ever.

What is your ideal? Lets see we could vote for Perry, who with his Army of God has been chosen to lead our country to the rapture. Or Romney who doesn't know he who he is from day to day, but he did chose bush II economic adviser as his own and you saw the condition that bush left our country. Or perhaps Bachmann who voted to privatize social security and medicare and thinks God speaks through hurricanes. Let see, maybe Ron Paul who wants to take our country back to the 1900's and in a year with plenty of disasters wants to Kill FEMA and wants everyone to fend for themselves and if people die, Paul is willing to burn the bodies in a bonfire and give out free whiskey like in the 1900's.

I know I have missed some of your bottom tier candidates, but the republicans don't even want them. You seem to want anybody but Obama but have not given us anyone we could vote for in good concience.

Why would I vote for a party that puts Norquist and his rich backers before America?

Why would I vote for a party that is not smart enough to know that in war time, you don't give two tax cuts?

Why would I vote for a party that thinks corporations are people?

Why would I vote for a party that is itching to privatize social security so that another company can put profits before Americans? Pretty soon, like health care, only the rich will be able to afford it.

Why would I vote for a party that fights for tax cuts for the rich, but is more than willing to raise taxes on the working poor and middle class?

Why would I vote for a party that fights against education?

Why would I vote for a party that believes in voter suppression?

Why would I vote for a party that want to kill unions and any other rights the workers have?

Why would I vote for a party that thinks that 14 million are unemployed because they are lazy and think that living on half of your old wages is easier than looking for a new job? You try taking half your paycheck away and see how well you do?

I could go on, but I think you get the ideal.

For the love of America, Obama 2012

Well 8,000 people in Eric Cantor's republican district certainly seemed to agree with you.

Why would you vote for a man who doesn't know that Lincoln was not a founder of the Republican Party?

Why would you vote for a man who has failed miserably at his job?

Why would you vote for a man who sees as his only chance at re-election is to go conservative?

Your side has already lost.

Lincoln is often considered as the Father of the Republican Party.

At this point in time I’m guessing he would be ashamed of what he did – political Party wise.

If he could see us today he might have let the South secede!

Only among the lefties who are trying to persuade everyone that Obama is not a complete idiot.

It's not working. This is not 2007. Most of us don't walk around infatuated with the stench of his feces.

He's a joke. We can more readily laugh now because his comic routine approaches it's end.

He said founder, not father. FYI

I’m not quoting the most popular President in the last 6 years – you are Doug.

Seriously Doug, do you think the present Republican candidates will beat him, I'll tell you Karl Rove one of the republican establishment masterminds does not seem to be excited at their prospects. He completely discounted Sarah Palin, and none of these candidates are very different from her. The Republican controlled House is polling at an all time low, the numbers have never ever been lower, so why do you think the whole country just blames Obama. You better call your rep and tell him to get the jobs bill passed right away, or republicans will probably lose the Oval office and the House in 2012. Republicans have the majority in the house they have the responsibility now, they have to put up or shut up, they can't keep blaming Obama forever, they have to put people to work, Obama can't pass legislation he can only suggest it. The republicans have control of the House where are the solutions, Obama certainly has not vetoed any of their bills, the only thing they have done is name a few buildings, and Obama must have liked those names because he did not veto any of them. Where are the jobs Boehner?

Who gives a flying rat's ass what Karl Rove has to say? He's as out of touch as Obama is. You just don't get it. Americans are tired of incompetent govt. Guess who is the current poster boy for incompetent govt? Do I think the whole country blames Obama? No. Will that get him re-elected? His re-election is highly doubtful considering he's a bungling idiot who has not improved a single aspect of the everyday American's life. His handler's know he's sunk. That's why they spend so much effort blaming others. His foreign policy is a joke regardless of the pass by the media. His administration is the laughing stock of the world. Most nations want him gone

Congress always polls low in difficult times. That poll is such a waste of energy. The 111th wasn't polling great either. Or the 110th. Guess what.....the 113th won't poll so great either. Put some more partisan hackery spin on that. Everyone thinks Congress sucks except when it comes to their guy.

Why aren't you asking Pelosi where are the jobs? Because you're just another Obot without a clue. What about your savior? He said give him a trillion dollars and everything will be fine by the third year of his presidency. Looks like that was just another nut for his supporters to suck on.

Give me one sound reason why the chant won't be ABO,ABO,ABO,ABO,ABO next year? He's dead in the water.

Yes Congress almost always polls lower in tough times but, unlike our President, these are the lowest poll numbers ever recorded in the 30 year history of this question.

Also, at 14 months out, the only Republican that beats our President is “Generic”, all others lose to him.

By the time November 2012 rolls around it will be so bad for Obama that even you will vote against him Dennis.

People are only patient for so long. The patience has ran out for the Big O amongst most rational thinking people. Everyone thought Jimmy Carter was a "likeable" guy too. They just didn't want him as president any longer.

We, as a nation, have not improved under Obama. He has demonstrated again and again he just doesn't get the whole governing thingy. Unless we show substantial improvement in the categories that affect us soon he doesn't stand a chance. It's not a state secret. The excuses will not matter. No "it could've been much worse" line will resonate with the American people. That is failure talk.

What I find amusing is the Big O's recognition that his ideology is a failure. If that doesn't convince you he doesn't have a clue then nothing will. You just worship the man.

You were doing pretty good there for awhile Doug until you went with the "Obot" and "your savior" and "another nut for his supporters to suck on" BS. I would like to think you would not talk to me like that in person, in my business talking to people like that will likely get you promptly knocked on your ass, so if you want to insult me at least try to make it clever or funny.

Personally I don't care what Karl Rove thinks, but any body running for big-time political office as a republican has to because he controls some serious money and political machinery.

Nancy Pelosi's house was taken down because they did not immediately focus on jobs, republicans as of yet have done no better, in fact it is getting worse and they are now responsible, so if they don't put some people to work if they make the same mistake Nancy did I expect they will suffer the same fate.

They always say Congress sucks, but they feel this is the all time suckiest Congress ever. Republicans have lost recent elections and recalls in traditionally solid republican districts, that is a referendum on republican policies not Obama. Those districts did not say Congress sucks but I like my guy, they said my republican guy sucks and I want him out right now they did not even wait for the next election, they had a recall, democrats did not do that alone plenty of republicans had to flip to make that happen. People that recall local republicans are probably not going to vote for a republican president.

Lastly I don't know what ABO, ABO, ABO stands for, you will have to clue me in on that.

Don’t worship the man, never have. But I have been involved in 10 Presidential elections and I know all the indicators are currently pointing at reelection.

The Republican candidates haven’t got a plan that the majority of voters like, so far.

“Jimmy Carter was a "likeable" guy too”. I wasn’t referring to our President likeability I was referring to his job approval.

Well, if your were referring to his job approval, you must like failing grades- cause, that's what he's got. He is, at best, in the low forties- not, exactly, winning numbers.

As to his calling Lincoln the "founder of the republican party"- he's wrong there, too.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/on-politicians-calling-lincoln-the-founder-of-the-republican-party/

Now, please, do, crow that Huckabee got it wrong, too.

Obama talking lessons from Huckabee lately? I thought he was the smartest guy to ever get elected?

Lincoln was not even the first Republican nominee. Try getting some facts straight for a change. Do a little studying of facts. Here is a hint- chanting yes we can, hope for change, and WTF is NOT studying fact.

Vote for Generic/Synthetic 2012 HA I'm just not feeling it.

Such a fright, aren't you Forrest? "in my business talking to people like that will likely get you promptly knocked on your ass". What's your business? LOLAASMF

If you don't worship him then explain why you support him.

Look at you two! Claims of not worshiping the man but not one solid reason why he continues to garner your "independent" support. You're a couple of jokes.

Yeah Forrest, your biased posts demonstrate he is your "savior" and you are an Obot. But please, show me where you have ever criticized him. After all, no human is perfect, right?

You two are in for such a disappointing year in 2012. Guess you will probably just slit your effeminate wrist next week if Wiener's seat goes Republican. Eh, Forrest?

Dennis, if you think all indicators are pointing at re-election then I'm pretty sure you should inform the Big O admibnistration. It reminds me of the Carter term. They seem to agree because they are doing everything possible to swing Obama to the right without upsetting the loons on the left.

Obama is in the low forties but I think Congress is at like 6% percent, I trust someone will give me the exact number but in any event it has never been lower. One reason Obama's numbers are low is because he has not kicked Congress in the ass, he has been busy killing terrorists, shoving birth certificates up Donald Trump's ass, and other things presidents have to do, plus he does get a vacation, and he has done a little campaigning as well. Now that he has given Congress that kick in the rump watch those numbers start to climb, because if they give him a job bill they will go up, and if they don't pass a good jobs bill they will really go up. Congress can bring their numbers up too, all they have to do is put some people to work but that would help Obama as well now wouldn't it. This jobs bill thing might be their Waterloo! That is the problem with a Waterloo strategy, in the end you are never quite sure who is going to get Waterlooed the most.

Nancy Pelosi's house was taken down because they did not immediately focus on jobs,

Really! I can't begin to tell you how stupid that is. You can't even learn from hindsight. Which is usually 20/20.

"watch Obama's numbers jump now that he's kicked Congress in the rump"

You are a laugh riot.

What, exactly, would be a "jobs bill". Please, enlighten us.

Obama has taken the single step he has ever done in his Presidency to spur jobs. Much to the chagrin of his liberal "base". That was the suspension of regulations by the EPA. Done recently. Try to understand, the govt can only create a business friendly atmosphere, any job they "create" is a negative in the fact the public pays for it.

The Big O administration has "created" nearly 90,000 pages of job stifling regulations and now we are expected to belive that he is a job creation engine? Only among his brain dead base.

"Well, if your were referring to his job approval, you must like failing grades- cause, that's what he's got. He is, at best, in the low forties- not, exactly, winning numbers."

(And, the '8000 - 9100" ignorant trivia.)

NJNB -

You must be trying to make an observation. And, to that end, maybe a point.

Whatever it is, is coming off as trite, inconsequential, ineffective, and banal.

Then again, you do the best with what you have to work with, right?

Doug, We are witnessing the party of Lincoln becoming everything Lincoln opposed.

So Dennis......you're 86 yrs old?

I am in a business where guys work real hard all day and sweat their ass off for every buck they earn, most of the owners worked their way up the hard way and now many are self made (with some help from labor) millionaires, non of them are the kind of guys that take punky cheap sh!t like yours kindly. They won't try to string together a polite argument they are far more apt to just knock you on your ass, if you insult them to their face. That's the kind of business I am in, the kind where guys make their living with their hands and sometimes settle their differences the same way.

You want me to criticize the president ok I can do that Doug. If you watch real carefully when he swings that golf club he tends to bend his elbow a little too much and does follow through the swing as well as I would like him to. Happy Now.

"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

Lincoln said that.......one thing for certain.....it doesn't represent the Democrat Party.

"Only among his brain dead base."

Doug -

It's possible that you have feelings of inferiority.

At least, your postings come off that way.

I hope that doesn't come off as personal, but it's a bit saddening to see someone struggle the way you do.

Best of luck...

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people"

~ Honest Abe

Just perfect Forrest.

Probably just a union goon who pretends he frightens real men who have made every dime they have without other's assistance. You really don't impress me. Not even a smidgeon. My bawstun terriuh has bigger balls. And they've been cut off. Hopefully so have yours. Wouldn't want little Forrests running around saying "gimmee, gimmee,gimmeee". Now would we?

Why don't you just say,"I'm afraid." At least it will garner you empathy. Because you are....afraid.

@ Doug you said Obama has taken the single step he has ever done in his Presidency to spur jobs. Well that is not exactly true, but even if it was, it is a single step republicans did not make, and to win a race you only have to beat the other guys by a single step.

'Job creation' was a GOP/TP 2010 campaign analogy to a 'happy ending'.

I think they got theirs. How 'bout those that voted for them?

Mmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,Not so much, yeah?

richard

another brain dead infantile who lacks reality. Allow me to clue you in. I don't struggle. I'm retired at the age of 49. Get the picture, simpleton? I'm not concerned about my fellow Americans who had the same opportunities (or better) than I did. I don't fault those people who have worked hard to achieve success. I don't believe that there is inherent discrimination built into the system. I am proof it is not.

If I made it, anybody can. Ask Mark Zuckerberg. Hell, ask me.

Doug,

Your math skills are lacking.

Presidential elections
are held every 4 years and this is my 10th.

Reread – I didn’t say Presidents, I said
Presidential.

Forrest,

you're beginning to bore me with your LOK.

What has the republican congress got to do with the big O's regulations? Do you understand the process?

Richard, you're an idiot.

My misunderstanding Dennis.

Maybe this time you will make your vote count.

DON'T VOTE POVERTY PIMP!

No Doug I'am not afraid, I don't try to frighten people, nobody has every gave me money I did not earn, I am a union man, but if you ask any of the literally 2500-3000 thousand people who know me, I seriously doubt they would describe me as a goon, if you ask the 100 or so owners I deal with they might say I can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but honestly I doubt if they would describe me as a goon. In any event I still work for both, I also have a small private consulting business, and my patents still generate some income. I am not really a gimme gimme type of guy, I worked hard for many years to get what I have, nobody gave me anything because I scared them into it. It's too late to "cut my balls off" all my little Forrest's are all adults out on their own and doing fine earning their own way, but hey thanks for asking I'll tell them Doug said hello. They will probably say who is Doug? I will tell them he is some guy that wants to cut my nuts off, and they will say geez pop what kind of goon is this Doug guy.

My vote always counts

DougPoundsIt...

[DON'T VOTE POVERTY PIMP!]

Yep, just as I suspected...SWEET!

...and right on que...you have no argument, so you call your president a pimp...

...at least you never disappoint...

You may tell them Forrest that Doug is a true "independent". Not the kind of "independent" their patriarch is. The kind who thinks "independence" is granted not at the expense of others. The kind who thinks that America owes nobody anything but the right to pursue happiness, but we all owe America respect and our fair share of support.

I don't want to cut your nuts off, I just want to see an end to the crybabery you espouse.

May your generations be blessed with the prosperity they create and you have begun for them.

If I offended you....oh well.....such is life. Offend me.....fvck....it's the internet.

Mickey, you never disappoint. You're a loon.

"I don't struggle. I'm retired at the age of 49."

Doug - You beat me by two years. I was 47.

As far of the rest of your reasoning, it adds up to nothing.

Nothing.

What a state of mind....

Dennis,

Yes, it does. Don't waste it.

I know you are bored with me but one last question, I don't know what LOLAASMF means, or LOK, or what ABO, ABO, ABO meant. I would like you or somebody to tell me what those mean.

richard,

And what does your "reasoning" (used as loose as it gets) add up to? Aside from the fact you're an idiot without a clue? My guess is you're on the dole. Don't admit it to me....admit it to yourself.

LOK...lack of knowledge

ABO...Anyone but Obama

Use your imagination.

LOLAASMF

Laughing out loud at a stupid mother f@cker?

It would be safe to say, that's exactly what I'm doing after what I've read out of little Doogie Ponders... lol

Sounds like his corn dog is too tight....

My reasoning adds up to what it is.

You have questions, Doug?

Of course you do.

What joy.

The ol' "roll her in flour" girl weighs in.

Weigh being the operative word. C'mon fisty.....tell us you weigh 110 in soaking wet clothes...LOL

No questions for you Richard. If I wanted the input of a know nothing I've always got my dog. He's bi-partisan at least.

Voting for what I believe in is never a waste

Voting against a person (ABO) as you campaign for is shameful

Does Bostie wear blinders, too, Doug?

My Chi-Pug would eat his nuts, if'n he had 'em.

And, ask no questions.

Chi-pug? I bet he's just darling. If you're into purse dogs. Such as my bawstun terriuh.

But he wouldn't eat my English Mastiff, Brutus, all 182 lbs of him. He would eat you and your sissy dog and demand I give him a milk bone afterwards.

Blinders are reserved for the left leaning idiots such as yourself who aimlessly seek something to fill their mouths. Disappointing.

"Sounds like his corn dog is too tight...."

Tight is right.

In a corn dog kind of way.

BTW - How 'bout those Bachmann (not Jewish) tail getting - I mean tail gating shoes?

Richard

my guess would be you are anal when it comes to corn dogs. literally. along with the flour girl...if her weeble can insert it.

Thanks for cluing me in Feisty, I honestly did not know what that meant. LOLAASMF wow! What kind of goon talks to people like that, I got to go wash my eyes out with soap now.

I wish people would not talk like that around me because I am right at that age where I pick that stuff up, and then you never know where and when I am going to repeat it.

Dennis,

maybe what (or who) you believe in is a waste. Think about it. You exert all this energy for someone and a party who has NEVER done a thing for you.

Well Forrest.....if the shoe fits and all that....

please don't beat me up.....LOL

I am right at that age where I pick that stuff up, and then you never know where and when I am going to repeat it.

I know... right? lol

Just sit back and wait for the 'main course' little Doogie is just getting warmed up... ;o)

Don't say I didn't warn ya... lol

What kind of goon talks to people like that,

I would say an impotent little man who buys Cheeto's & Pro-Active in bulk, while bunking in his Mama's basement...

Care for some *popcorn*?

Come to think of it -- I would bet Doogie is bunking in a NJ basement currently owned by a certain Nut Job! lol

They sure sound like they're related...

Doug: “You exert all this energy for someone and a party who has NEVER done a thing for you.”

You have NO idea what they have or have not done for me. It isn’t all about me it is also what good has been done for our fellow man.

Why are you not supporting a candidate? ABO is not a candidate.

Pick something or someone to be “for” and promote their ideas.

Being against something/anything is not a solution – bring forth an idea, a solution.

It just upsets the fisty's to no end that things are not going their way.

I find it hilarious.

I predict 2013 will be the year of mass suicide among the "independents". Not me. of course. I love my hatred of love of all that is liberal(or whatever they choose to call it). It's the future. Americans don't want your weak kneed philosophy. Never have.

I look for sites such as FR to begin leaning conserrvative. (already happening) Folks like Fisty and Forrest will be continuously collapsed by the community...a rejection of their idiocy.....wait....that is already occurring. Maybe not a conservative site just yet....but it's coming. The majority doesn't believe in your crap. A good example is this site itself. Thank Obama for awakening us.

*popcorn*? ....we don't eat popcorn....we eat liberal crybabies. Ask history. I laugh. Most of America laughs with me.

Keep laughing, Doug.

Histrionic laughs.

There you be!

Will someone please call the 'troll patrol' and tell them one of their idiots has escaped?

Pretty Puleeze?

O.K.

I'm calling fain11.

Picksomething or someone to be “for” and ptheir ideasromote

I will vote for the person who is in the best interest of America.

You may not understand that it will not be Obama....but, oh well....he sucks for America. Sorry it's so. But it's fact.

It is the fools who blindly support Obama without criticism who are the problem. As I wrote that I realized how much fewer they are. He's not going to win. He's already lost.

Name me one policy he has instigated which has been proven to be good for America. Keep it narrow and do yourself a favor. If you say the ACA I'm dismissing you.

Fisty

if there was such an agency as the troll patrol they would have picked your plump ass up long ago.

I'm calling fain11

Tell me about it -- someone hit the light swtich and all the little roaches come scurrying out to lay down their germs... ;o)

"if there was such an agency as the troll patrol..."

...

"if there was such an agency as the troll patrol..."

Hell... I start with the funding.... ;o)

They usually only come out at night....

You're just scared your paychecks going away. I'm laughing maniacally but you can't hear me.

It amuses me all the Obots never discuss his policy on FR.

One can go to other sites and by and large (physical description of fisty) they will ignore it also.

It leads one to one of two conclusions:

1) he has no policy

2) his policy stinks

I'm going with both.

3) you are clueless

Doug: “I will vote for the person who is in the best interest of America.”

Apparently none of the current candidates meet your idea of what is best for America or you would be promoting him/her.

That is exactly the problem the Conservatives have -- none of the current candidates are good enough for even them much less the Independents.

Republicans are fired up … fired up to find a candidate that stands a chance of winning.

richard

that's it? How utterly liberal pathetic. What? Politico or Huffpo doesn't have a better snappy comeback you can plagiarize?

And then you actually went as far as to vote for your own opinion. Well done.

Here's my #3....he's failed.

But in the spirit of partisanship......tell me how his policy lifts America.

Go on. Waiting. Ask your mother for just 5 more minutes.

I never beat any body up Doug, a few times in my career in order to put a stop to some dangerous things that inexperienced managers wanted to do, things that would have put lives and property in jeopardy in a very real and immediate way, and I exhausted all other options, I simply made it clear to them that they would have to beat my ass first. I fought a few times, I damned near got my teeth knocked out, but I stopped what had to be stopped before somebody got hurt or killed or tens of thousands of dollars of company or customer property was damaged. That's part of my job, to make sure things are done right and safe, of the 3 times in 30 years I recall it has come to that, twice the owners fired the managers and thanked me for protecting their best interests as well as the crew. I don't like it, but it has happened. Years ago when a man was killed on the job-site (not my job-site) I was the rep that had to bring the dead mans belongings back to his wife, and then explain the death and insurance benefits she and her children were entitled to from the union. I will never forget that, I wish I could but I can't, I'm starting to goddamn shake just talking about it. So if I get a few teeth loosened up putting a stop to something like that happening again, then it is the least I can do for my brother members, and if that makes me a thug or a goon then so be it, because if anybody is killed on my job because of stupidity and inexperience by management and somebody says well where the hell was Forrest, I want the answer to that question to be he tried his best, but he got his old ass knocked out. I owe my guys that much. I got to go this isn't fun anymore.

Dennis

I'm not so sure about your assertion that " none of the current candidates meet your idea of what is best for America or you would be promoting him/her".

I think that given what has been shown to America via network TV; at this point I'm leaning Newt Gingrich. Of course he will not be the nominee. But he is savvy, intelligent, and understands government. He has made himself unpalatable to the American public. Oh well.....we will elect an imbecile from Chicago who has no clue but let a man cheat on his wife....C'est la vie. As to who will be the nominee my prediction is Romney. he will lead the way to an even more conservative candidate which America will elect after 8 years of "moderate conservatism". So.....I will vote for Romney.

I will not be voting for Obama. He has demonstrated poor judgement in both domestic and foreign policy. He is a follower and not a leader. A puppet led by fools.

Forrest

Drink a beer and forget it. Take it easy and wach the game. Don't stroke out. One day you may actually be responsible, but not today.

You wanna know my favorite phrase?.........relaxxxxxx.....

but.....any body? really? you bore me. again.

Newt hasn’t turned off the voters just because of his 3 marriages. It actually has more to do with his far Right views as evidenced with the Government shut down. The problem with Romney is that if he wins the nomination, I believe he will, is that the Tea Party will run a third party candidate like Paul, Palin or Trump and split the vote.

You may be right Dennis.....but I do believe it is Newt's personal life which has turned off voters. The "tea party" will hold their nose and vote for Romney. Not the best circumstance but far more acceptable than Obama. There will be no "vote splitting". That is what scares the hell out of the Obama campaign. A unified effort against his policies. Doomsday for the Big O. 2010 was just the beginning, watch out senate.

DougPoundsIt is proof that conservatism truly is a mental illness...but it is entertaining watching him make an ass of himself with every ignorant post...

...have at it little Doogie...you're doing great! You've managed to totally discredit yourself by bleating the same old emotional and ideological nonsense over and over...no facts, only opinions...which is great...but in the end, when the day is through, and the sun goes down and the lights go out, you have nothing to stand on but...

...your opinion...just remember...

While we re most certainly entitled to our own opinions, we are most certainly NOT entitled to our own facts...

If you followed the thread above see if you can figure out who is the reasonable guy and who is the goon.

Americans First--- Your first post was worth a double post and more.

Americans First-your post was worth minus 14.7 trillion points like the deficit. LOL.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/a-texas-size-whopper/

You're ignorant and unwise, BAB.

Wow.

Obamacheck.org agreed with Obama. I am shocked. Maybe we should call Obama and make sure they got it right.

It's not even relevant anymore Bull Bev. That was from early 2010.

I don't think Bev has posted anything fresher than feisty's favorite wig since the Carter days!

lol, Sally... but the visual is much too disgusting, yechhh!

The biggest liar is Obama. Almost everything he campaigned on never came to fruition. I voted for him in 2008 and he will not have my vote in 2012.

Elect any candidate but Obama! Pass it on.

[I voted for him in 2008...]

I call bull@!$%#...

BAB - Isn't it amazing that voters like you, now feeling like you were shortchanged have turned totally against Obama. As Morpheus said... "welcome to the real world,"

Evidently 8,000 people in Eric Cantors republican district disagree with you.

Did you see the busses? The many many busses? I wonder how many of those people were bussed in from Eric Cantor's district. When Bush came to West Palm Beach, there wasn't a single bus except Bush's. There were approximately 5000 people at his rally. That's what the SunFest arena holds and it was packed. The parking lot was packed. Let's look at the obvious instead of the assumed.

One other thing Forrest... How many people are in Eric Cantor's district? Considering his district is just outside of the city of Richmond and to the north west... Maybe those Obama supporters were from the inside of Richmond, and not in his district at all. Take a look at his district map.

See, deception comes in all forms. To say that all those people were from his district isn't really being truthful. Don't you think Obama's team set it up like that to make it appear as though all Obama supporters were from his district? How many of those people actually know who their representative is?

The way you make it sound, the supporters that arrived were shoving it in Cantor's face. That in itself is being disingenuous when you look at the facts.

How would you know BrianB? You just claimed you only watch TV before going to bed and not a news channel.

Ok how about this, 8,000 people showed up in Eric Cantor's district, some who did not actually live there felt so passionate about the presidents jobs bill they suffered a long bus trip to get there.

My guess would be they all fell in one of three categories....1) living on the dole, 2) union goons, 3) Obots without a clue.

The "jobs bill" is just more political grandstanding by the beggar-in-chief. Another one of those "trust me" moments from the ultimate used car saleman.

I don't know who they are, or what they do Doug, the only thing I know for sure is that they are American voters.

Elise - because I just checked it out on the internet before posting that. I said the TV is in the bedroom, not the computer. The online photos show lots of busses.

Forrest - you break me up... LOL

Are you sure Forrest? How do you know they are eligible to vote? Because they support the Big O?

One important little note-

The First Read article stated "almost 8000 people".

The stadium in question holds 9100.

He still can't fill a venue.

Kind of like last fall- only worse. Check the two daily tracking polls- two thirds of the respondents heard the speech- and his numbers have gone down in Gallup, and remained the same in Rasmussen.

Those numbers do not bode well for Obama.

He's a one trick pony whose trick has gone to seed.

The only Republican to even fill a small room in the last 6 years was Sarah Palin.

Well gee NJ maybe if he would have cooked hamburgers for the crowd he would have done a little better. I'll bet he could get the goodyear blimp to hover over him if he wanted, hell he is the prez.

Who cares what she looks like?! Are you dumb or what?! Obama has dumbo ears, so what.

I did not say anything about her looks, I see your post is from 4:30 am either you got up real early for church and have not had your coffee yet, or you have been out all night drinking which is it.

Are you sure Forrest? How do you know they are eligible to vote?

Well you got me there Doug I am not sure if they are eligible to vote, but don't worry you know that Obama, even if they are illegal aliens, he will get those votes tallied in his column. Right Doug.

Wrong thread FG.

It's ok, I've come to realize you are probably medicated most of the time. I view that as a good thing.

Bring America back to where? Back to her knees where bush had her with Norquist ready to cut off her head and let America die.

Or is it bring America back to being controlled by the minority. You seem to forget it was the majority of us that voted for Obama for president.

Republicans obstructionism to keep our country down has not convinced me to change my vote. Republicans won't do anything now, but if we vote in more of them they just might?

Destroying America for the rich is the only thing you can truly count on the republican party doing.

Yeah can I borrow a few bucks Doug, I blew my whole welfare check on crack cocaine today, but hey reality is only for those who can't handle drugs. Funny thing is, as long as we both been posting here at FR, today when I am all smoked up on crack, this is the first time I ever tried to have a real discussion with you, drugs can make you do some crazy things.

Forrest! Crack and Cocaine?

Well, unfortunately, you wouldn't be the first down and outer I've helped out. Just out of curiosity. Where did I indicate I thought you were on Crack and cocaine? Are you holding out?

Independents for Bachmann!

Dream on, like you are an independent.

So, Bachmann who can't even write a bill, knows how to turn our country around in 90 day. Apparently she is keeping it a secret. Maybe its because she knows that allowing less than minimum wage means that with two jobs you still can't make it. Working 16 hours a day, you had better not get sick, because Bachmann does not want you to have health care. The republicans want to privatize social security so you can work 16 hours a day until you die.

Of course she wants to give the rich and the rich corporations more tax cuts that the poor can pay for.

You can't forget she signed a pledge that stated that blacks families were more stable under slavery.

Then there was I can default the country, but not call it a default because my opinion tells me so. So she can default the country and be against default at the same time.

Yep, just what independents are looking for.

Besides--she "loves everybody." That is, except all who believe differently than she does!

I got some solutions for you, raise taxes and regulate US corporations so they have to hire Americans if they want to sell their product here, or face huge tariffs and tax penalties if they don't. Tell Germany if they want to use Americans as cheap labor in their BMW plant in Tennessee, they have to remove the tariffs they place on our cars. There are lots of solutions but nobody wants to face the fact that they involve collecting some taxes and regulating business, because CEO's aren't payed to do the right and best thing for the USA, they are paid to generate maximum profit at every level, and to keep as much of that profit as possible, we pay them multimillion dollar bonuses when they do that. How about if a CEO's multimillion dollar bonus was tied to the number of new 40 dollar an hour (wage and fringe package) jobs he created in America, I'll bet that would do some good. You like any of my ideas Darrel?

Forrest--- I wish our political system worked like it was designed. I think Historians will look at our present times as dysfunctional and polarised but the blame for it will lie at the feet of the corporations who were able to manipulate and influence enough voters so they could control power.

Yes the corporations are counting on the young and dumb crowd, the rich and greedy to carry out their bidding. It is hard to even hear people repeat the GOP talking points. I've gotten to the point where I just shake my head and realize that it is like talking to a brick head.

Hell they no longer have to influence many voters, the damn corporate lobbyists now write the damn legislation for the politicians, it is like giving somebody a signed blank contract and letting them fill in the details as they wish. To top it all off these same damn fools that keep telling people that's why you need to have a gun and be locked and loaded so if the government tries to take advantage of you, you can put a stop to it, they better hope these people never figure out exactly what is going on.

Forrest - if what you say is true, then did the insurance lobbiests write the ACA? They are the ones to gain the most from the bill. They and AARP. AARP was fully on board with the bill and they did everything they could to get it passed. I think they even volunteered to carry the briefcases of the lawmakers as they walked from their cars to their offices. Both the insurance companies and AARP stand to make billions. To me, it seems the democrats that favor this bill are overlooking the "follow the money" aspect on the exact same thing they rail against.

Yeah they all do Brianb both sides, they all bring in industry lobbyists under the best intentions this is to make sure the that they understand the needs and wants of the industry and also balance that with the general welfare of the nation before policy is written. But all to often these days that does not happen, the lobbyists write the legislation, because we elect people that are so damn dumb or shady they can't or won't figure out the part where some of these industries need checks and balances to insure they don't take advantage of the system, the system being US. Yes they all do it, and this business of the SCOTUS allowing unlimited donations to political campaigns by corporations is going to make it even worse. We basically are putting a lighted match in charge of minding the dynamite.

This is kind of hilarious really!!

Bachmann serving up burgers and dogs emulates the servile role Republicans have for women.

Barefoot and pregnant. Bedroom,....not Boardroom.

You go Michelle,...........make mine mustard and onions,......honey.

Would you like a shake with that or should I walk it over regular.

Michele -- I'll take mine with lettuce & tomato, Heinz 57 & french fried potato's...

Big kosher pickle & a cold glass of beer... lol

Where is Albany Joe I thought he would do his Bachmann as Wimpy imitation, "I will give you a hamburger today, if you will vote for me on Tuesday"

Dammit Forrest, you break me up dude.

Hey, G-man, I have read a lot of your posts and argued with you some about unions. No hard feelings? You are clearly intelligent, well-read and persistent in presenting your views. My sincere respect, especially on this day of remembering that horrible tragedy ten years ago.

You surprised me with your statements about war, pleasantly so. A lot of union people I have known are so flag-wrapped and kickass-motivated that they think war is some shooting gallery where we get a moral reward for the random destruction of lives and resources.

Because I really want to know what you think, please weigh in on this:

9/11 was a tragedy, no doubt. But it was also treason. The CIA trained the pilots, the FBI buried the intel, the State Dept. held the door open with red carpet, the Air Force took the day off to play at their favorite fantasy of delivering WMDs, the president tucked his tail and hid, the VP consolidated his hypnotic hold on the security state, the DOT let the plotters escape, and the TV channels (the commercial arm of the FCC) mysteriously boosted their broadcast signals while the story was still about a single airplane crash they were reporting as an accident.

In the aftermath, that butcher of an unelected Yale man used the heightened atmosphere of outraged patriotism to consolidate Federal power with the Patriot Act and the new Department of Homeland Security while claiming to be a conservative opposing big government, started two wars with no strategy or resources to win them, the second of which he lied about saying that there was a connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam which has never been corroborated, abandoned the city of New Orleans in its darkest hour, then went on to steal yet another election in order to finish the task of scuttling the economy.

If the Bush administration did not actually perpetrate the attack (which is likely but will never be proven), it certainly allowed it and capitalized on it for cynical, traitorous motives. The rule of the Cheney/Bush regime was defined and empowered by 9/11, and they never tried to disguise their opportunistic application of it to deploy their coup d'etat as outlined by the Project for a New American Century.

The American electorate, with its instinct for maintaining a balance of political power, elected Obama by default as a defense against continued Republican treason.

But it's not just the GOP, is it? The way these Democrats have run things since then has never proven to be any more effective, if perhaps less treasonous. They all need to be called to account for their destruction of our future, and my hyperbole against the unions is a part of a larger argument that we all need to examine the costs of our expensive and unsustainable lifestyle, because our consumer dreams make us vulnerable to demagogues, right and left alike, and our only defense against them is to accept less for ourselves and stop paying for an economy that has no relationship with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Please engage me on this.

Gee Ron - And Bush arranged all this within a 8 month period. My gosh he was a busy man. All that plotting and planning must have kept him awake 24/7. The story as you tell it would make him the most evil person in the world - ever! What I can't figure out is - if Bush was this complete mastermind, he would have had to involve many people in shaping the CIA, the FBI, the intelligence community to include foreign and domestic agencies. Do you think somewhere along the way, someone would have figured it out and fingered Bush? How about after the event? Wouldn't someone have stepped up to tell the story of how Bush made all these arrangements, being duplicitious in his deception. All this from the man liberals call the stupidest person alive. Do you even see the absuridity in your version?

I never said Bush himself masterminded anything. The man is an idiot. He was propped up in power by much smarter and more dangerous people, who had been looking for an excuse to get this country into a war in the Middle East since 1973. It is an American illusion that history somehow magically restarts every four years. The true masterminds never get their identities revealed, and direct the apparently powerful from behind the scenes. With the kind of power available in the shadows to be the true force in history, why would anyone ever bother with electoral politics?

But what am I thinking? Didn't the Warren Commission prove for all time that there is no such thing as conspiracy? It was just nineteen little Lee Harvey Oswalds that sat around and figured out how to sneak into a country illegally, learn how to fly airplanes ("no, thanks, I don't need to land the thing. Can I get a discount for that?"), stay in hotels, make phone calls, buy tickets, hijack four aircraft simultaneously with plastic utensils, and maneuver them toward targets on a sophisticated timetable, just to vindicate your conviction in the Single Bullet Theory.

Just look at this crop of cretins running for office now. They are no different from any other election year. These are people so addicted to approval and acclaim and applause that very dangerous people can see them coming from a mile away, and put them to good use. Did I ever suggest that any president is in charge of anything? Most of these limelight junkies need help finding the men's (or ladies') room. Not sure if they need help before they flush, but it seems likely.

Whew! Then what you are saying is... Obama has hidden handlers too, correct? I mean if you claim there were people behind the scenes propping Bush up... then there have to be people behind the scenes propping Obama up. When you consider our economy is in deep trouble, the jobless rate is turning us into a 3rd world country, etc. Someone has to be behind it... or are all these troubles expressly being guided by Obama?

The problem with conspiracy theories is that one chink brings them crashing down. Many people believe that 911 was an inside job perpertrated by Bush, or the Bilderburgs, or the Illuminati... I don't buy it.

Oh, goody- another tin foil hat wearing truther.

Thanks for coming out in the open- now I can put you on ignore, like Paul.

Or, are you Paul under another name?

Do I sound paranoid?

Conspiracy is no theory, it is the order of the day. The biggest one of all is the media working so hard to ridicule the idea that anything, ever, takes place behind the scenes.

To believe that the headlines and the official version tell the whole truth is not just stupid and counter-intuitive, it's the best thing that ever happened to those who find it so easy to hoodwink people like you.

Okay, let's see. Miracles stopped happening just after Jesus' lifetime, and once the whole watergate mess was cleared up, nobody ever had a meeting about how to steer events and tell the media what to say.

Hold on, a flying pig just crashed into my house. I'll get back to you.

Ever heard of campaign debts? Ever heard of skeletons in the closet? Ever heard of blackmail?

Nobody ever got elected to anything without making mistakes they would rather keep out of sight, or running up debts they couldn't pay, or promising favors to someone more clever than themselves. We demand this squeaky-clean image out of presidents, a degree of moral superiority we don't expect of ourselves, and anyone running for that office has to do what it takes to sustain that impossible image. That costs something, and when they get in office, the bills come due.

Come on, our whole civilization is built on debt. And power politics is built on a kind of debt that covers the imperfections in people's former lives. The currency of politics is favors, and most folks who get that high up owe a lot of them. The idea that presidents give orders on their own initiative is naive at best. They follow orders, that's how they got there.

My favorite quote about bush1 was from his Yale baseball coach: "you told him to bunt, and he bunted."

Are you older than ten? I can't believe I'm explaining this to an adult.

They would react the same way as they did with the health care insurance mandate, if you told them no more SS but you must purchase a private annuity for your retirement.

Rick--I will admit that Ron Paul has some good ideas, (Quit the wars), but he also has some awful ideas and besides he is so old we would probably be voting for his vice-president and who would that be?

Great posts Ron!

Ron Paul should go run for office in Somolia as they have the kind of government he seems to want.

He does not scare democrats very much, he is not so much the type of candidate they would break for. He scares the republicans plenty because if he goes independent he splits the vote and kills them, and yet he will never get their nomination.

The problem both sides have with Ron Paul is that he swears he will cut off the money, and dismantle much of the government this does not fit democrats because they like the money to move and they openly embrace that idea good and big government can provide good and big things to the citizens of America. The republicans like the money to move and they use big government as tool to provide big things for the corporations of America, but they have to pretend they don't like big government. Ron Paul promises he will pretty much muck it up for everybody. But he is a republican candidate so basically it should be Fox news responsibility to give him some air time.

Anyway back to the beginning real quick, that is why he is more dangerous to republicans because he talks that same independence and fiscal tightwad stuff republicans spew but don't really mean they have driven the debt as much as anybody starting with Reagen and every republican administration since, they have never been responsible with a buck. They talk that game and so does Paul, they don't want republicans breaking for Paul and they won't nominate him because he says they are going to actually have to play that game. Republicans don't want Ron Paul to make them practice what they preach.

If he does not get the republican nomination, or run as an independent, I don't think he will be in the general election. It will be interesting to see how long the republicans can pretend he is not even in their primary, good luck to you Rick in CLT.