The President’s speech last night was nothing short of brilliant!

Oh how happy I am that ‘feisty’ Obama showed up!

The expression on Boehner’s face throughout the speech was positively precious!

No doubt there will be a whole bunch of RWNJ’s trying to piss in the liberal’s Cheerio’s this morning!
lol

I have a question, where were all you fiscal hawks when Bush ran up the Chinese VISA card to PAY for 2 wars, tax cuts & Medicare Part D?

You're not fooling anyone with your manufactured spending drama!

We are in serious trouble in this country and since the Teapublican’s and business refuse to do what’s necessary to dig out, it leaves the President with NO alternative then to spend.

The ONLY thing that will increase demand is spending cold hard CASH!

At least President Obama’s spending proposals are PAID for unlike the borrow and spend tea baggers!

You right wing nuts all think the Gubment is so bad – why don’t you move to Somalia? I hear it’s
enchanting this time of year!

The leadership was conciliatory.

It's what happens when you back the rabid rats into a corner...

Factor in the tongue lashing they received from their constituents over the 5 week VACATION!

I have a question, where were all you fiscal hawks when Bush ran up the Chinese VISA card to PAY for 2 wars, tax cuts & Medicare Part D?

You're not fooling anyone with your manufactured spending drama!

We are in serious trouble in this country and since the Teapublican’s and business refuse to do what’s necessary to dig out, it leaves the President with NO alternative then to spend.

The ONLY thing that will increase demand is spending cold hard CASH!

At least President Obama’s spending proposals are PAID for unlike the borrow and spend tea baggers!

I was right where I've always been. Agahst that an administration (Bush) would cut taxes while proposing war. I was against Medicare D because it was a give-away to Pharma (which didn't change under Healthcare Reform) and a bribe to seniors.

But tell me you say that these proposals are PAID for. What programs are being cut to pay for them?

Boner looked uncomfortable, he appeared to be joansing for happy hour. I kept expecting him to look at his watch.

What programs are being cut to pay for them?

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The same old, same old, BS: Corporate jets, big oil and the wealthiest 2%.

This guy is a moron.

First Read is surprised that GOP Congressional leaders ..."didn't reject President Obama's speech out of hand..."

How could they?

He hasn't provided the specifics of his "paid for" proposal.

Or, outlined with specificity the spending cuts he suggests it entails.

When he finally does, let's see how Congressional Republicans...AND Democrats, react.

As First Read suggests...the White House would be happy if the President gets just half of what he demanded last night.

So...

Let's wait and see which half it's going to be, shall we?

On another point, I always understood that calling the President, Barry, was at the very least disrespectful, if not worse.

Now, I see that it is acceptable judging by the posters above and the headline used by Hendrik Hertzberg in the New Yorker.

Boner looked uncomfortable, he appeared to be joansing for happy hour. I kept expecting him to look at his watch.

Funny, my husband said the same thing... lol

PS: I loved the shot he took at the tea baggers for signing all these bullsh!t pledges!

PPS: The spin is deep this morning from the right wing nuts... check out the 'Rating the President Speech' thread from earlier this morning & remind us who's the M I N O R I T Y again! LMAO!

Funny President Obama is trying to be like Harry Truman with one exception the buck never stops at his desk, he passes it along to someone else. Ironically, Jeff Immelt the Obama's point man on job creation and competiveness is sitting next to Michelle for a jobs speech, yet he is sending union jobs to China. His Med division leaving Wisconsin, and his airline division going to China depriving Obama's base of jobs. Don't hear Hoffa saying anything about that. Further GE has close to 5 trillion overseas that he is not investing in the United States, can't help but wonder why? As far as being paid for, not yet it isn't he put that onus on the super committee to find the money and no specifics until next week. Before you call it brilliant or anything else, let's see it on paper. Until it is on paper it means nothing. There are a couple of good things in the speech but alot is the same old policies.

Anna Molly Let me be the fist to say Congratulations on the Green Bay Packer win last night. Offense looked unstoppable. However I do believe they will see New Orleans again in January and if the Saints get their running game going it will be a lot closer.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result, then the president's jobs proposal last night was insane. This man has no clue about how to get the economy moving, and instead remains wedded to the fantasy that demand side Keynsian deficit spending will do the trick.

Production is the source of all consumption - without the goods and services that have been produced, there is nothing to consume. The demand for these goods and services is an EFFECT of economic production not the CAUSE, and the economy grows when the supply of goods and services available for consumption is increased, not by artificially stimulating short term demand.

The long term investment required by businesses and entrepreneurs to produce this supply involves creating the new jobs that put the dollars into people's pockets which they use to consume from the bounty of choices made available to them. This is the dynamic that kicks off the virtuous cycle of new jobs begetting new spending which in turn begets even more jobs and even more spending - the cycle of sustainable economic growth. A cycle where sustainable jobs are created for the long term as an outgrowth of economic activity, not short term sugar high jobs that go away once the government money spigot is turned off.

But in today's environment, there is much less incentive to produce in the face of an uncertain future exacerbated by the specter of government policies viewed as hostile to those who do the producing. Indeed, this administration has marched down the path of creating disincentives to produce which have been counterproductive to the health of the economy they seek to revive. That's the problem. That's why the misguided Son of Stimulus announced last night by Obama will fail, just as its predecessor did. And that's why Republicans who may oppose that proposal should be applauded, not pummeled like a political piñata by a president desperate for an issue to support his re-election.

An Old Cherokee told his Grandson: "There are two wolves at battle inside us, One is Liberal, the other is good."

I really enjoyed the audience shot of Jim Clyburn, number three in the House Dem leadership, catching some serious ZZZZZZZZZZ's during Barry's speech.

LOL!!!

"We must put a halt to Political Circus!"

Said the Magician in Chief as he tried to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Well done Mr. President, get the bill passed, or do exactly what you said and hang it around their necks from coast to coast.

Well the republican house has two choices, they can help pass the jobs bill, which is politically good for Obama (and great for the nation), or they can block the jobs bill which is even better politically for Obama (but bad for the nation). If they don't pass the jobs bill, politically they will take full ownership of the unemployment situation, and they will pay a heavy price. They are in the majority and are now responsible, all eyes are on them, and truthfully I think they will not be able to help themselves, enough of them have this no compromise attitude that they will screw this up and republicans will have given Obama and democrats in general a get out of jail free card on the unemployment numbers. Remember why so many democrats were swept out, it was because of jobs. They are going to have a tough time beating Obama with any of the current republican candidates as it is, if they screw the jobs bill up Obama will be a lock and democrats will take back a lot of seats in the congress. Where are the jobs Boehner? It's all about jobs you saw what happened to democrats, do think the electorate will give the republicans a free pass on the same issue, I don't. Politically Obama can only win on this one, the republican house can share in that win or they will totally own the failure. They can pass this and increase his chance of winning in 2012 or they can kill it and insure that he wins, and dems take back the house.

According to IBD, By the end of Obama’s first term, Obama will have borrowed more money than the federal government spent in our first 200 years. And what do we have for all that ….. the worst recession since the Great Depression, by a wide, wide margin.

So after spending $830 billion in stimulus to finally prove Keynesian crap doesn’t work ….. Obama gives another speech and now wants to spend another almost $500 billion ….. for what – to prove it again?

Obama talks about Infrastructure .... heard that before ….Last summer was supposed to be the big, magical “Summer of Recovery”…. And we lost 329,000 net jobs. Yea that really worked out great.

Payroll tax cuts ….. heard that before … Libbies regurgitate - Create Demand! Biden said the $112 billion put in pockets would spur growth and create jobs …… and guess what …….. 104,000 more …… now unemployed. That worked great, too.

Something new …..trade agreements? Great …. Why didn’t Obama do that almost 3 years ago ….. they were sitting on his desk since inauguration day? Had to protect the union jobs and since then S. Korea has moved forward and made agreement with the European Union, Columbia has made agreements with Canada ….. now the best Obama can do is to maybe save 380,000 existing jobs. Pathetic.

Jobs for veterans? Another temporary equivalent of a car dealership sale –“buy a truck this weekend and we pay half the taxes!” What next coupons?

Ridiculous …..

You want an American Jobs Act …… it is called the November 2012 elections.

Okay, Republicans: Ball in your court. Do you actually want to be a part of solving the problem, or do you want to obstruct to further your own personal ambitions? In the old days, when you could say with some pride you were a Republican, you would have partnered with the President to help the country.

What will you do now?

Gingerbread Mamma,

I really like the way you put it. What an great way to let the republi-clowns know it's time to get their a**es off their off that merry -go -round and do what is best for the un-employed in this country.

They'd better cause the President is coming to Eric Cantor's and John Boehner's districts! President Obama has embarrassed them enough!

It's so nice to have a President who is not a buffon.

Barry's doin' a heck of a job with the stock markets.

Asian, European and US markets are ALL down today.

Just a random coincidence??

Not likely.

"He" hit them right between the eyes. Let's see the Repugs and TPOTTY reaction to this powerful speech. Their reaction will show up in the 2012 election. I love it.

Far Lefty Loon Tactic #18--- Try to explain modern-day issues using century-old Indian stories (that were probably invented by Will Rogers or The Chinese or somebody else anyway) to appear noble and wise.

Speaking of spending:

Last month, the CBO released its analysis of the economic impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or what’s better known as the stimulus for the second quarter of the year. That report said that although the effects of the stimulus are waning, the economic situation of the country would’ve been worse without it.

Thank you again President Obama for keeping us from falling into the abyss!

As I was contemplating last night's campaign speech, I was trying to analyze it with difficulty. Then on TV there came a commercial for Prodaxa and when it said "this is progress but may cause severe or fatal bleeding" I knew I had found the proper analogy.

I also wondered why the CBO didn't pre-score this one. Seems odd.

What a terrible example of leadership from Welfare Obama. The unemployment rate will not go down until this guy quits advocating unemployment extensions. A tax credit for hiring someone who has been on "extended Unemployment"? Are you joking? Every business in America knows if you hire someone who has been out of work for 99 weeks you are hiring a very poor worker and no 2% tax credit will make up for that. Let's work together in a biapartisan way. Worry about the election later. And to show that I am willing to work with the House... Tommorrow I'm going to go rally a bunch of unemployed liberals in Boehner and Cantor's district. Does Obama really wonder why he has -0- support from anyone in Washington with a spine? VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

He made a strong case for the people that sent them to Washington. So much was the case you could actually see how uncomfortable Boehner's was all night. It was a very simple main street speech full of main street ideas. My best line was competing for race to the bottom .

Last night losers were Cantor and Huntsman.

Feisty-

Send that to Axelrod and Plouffe...there's a campaign slogan in there somewhere:

"Look at the bright side...things could be worse."-Obama/Biden 2012

Pretty inspiring, eh?

And...far more honest than "Hope And Change".

Or "shovel ready jobs", "Recovery Summer", et al.

The real problem with Obama's campaign speech?

Reality.

Leave aside the FACT that, despite all the graphing models, in actuality all the first stimulous stimulated was the debt. Let's look at the payroll tax cuts-

They go, primarily, to those earning little enough that they are spent, immediately. All well and good.

The problem inhibiting their stimulative effect is simple, and easily explained- gas prices.

Gasoline pieces have an incredible effect on inflation, because it is added every step of the way getting goods to market. So, for every dollar- the maximum being $1500-going into families' income, their costs- of goods and gas- have risen by more than three times that amount.

That's not stimulative.

Many of the posters on this board talk about "demand" as if it were the holy Grail of economics. They get their information from popular websites and books written from a particular point of view- not from the study of economics. Thus, they know nothing of the difference between an increase in demand, and the increase in the rate of demand.

I'll try to make it as simple as possible- an increase in demand occurs when the demand for a good or service is increased because an entirely new pool of consumers is demanding that good or service- thus, the demand for "smart phones" has seen an increase in demand, because there are now so many different providers.

An increase in the rate of demand occurs when more consumers are consuming a good or service at a rate greater than previously, and is almost entirely price driven. Thus, if the price of gas goes down, you see an increase in the rate of demand. When it goes up, you see a decrease in the rate of demand.

The problem with Obama's policies is that it is fighting one problem, while not addressing the other. The simplest jobs program, that would put people to work, stimulate the economy, and actually bring money into the Treasury- rather than draining it- would be to get out of the way of oil and gas drilling.

This would increase supply- not just the rate of supply, but actually move the supply curve over- thus, reducing prices.

Reduced prices will, themselves, decrease inflation, freeing up monies for other goods and services.

One more note- the cost of repaying the borrowed funds Obama is so fond of using has, itself, a destimulative effect on the
economy. Obama erroneously believes that every dollar in stimulous generates two in the economy. He is wrong. Actually, each dollar in government spending only generates about an extra $0.27 in the economy.

This does nothing for demand- particularly when that money is eaten by inflation. What he is actually doing is having an effect on the velocity of money- that is, how quickly those dollars move in the economy.

Think of it this way- a group of people are in a room- say, 20. A dollar bill is passed between them, from one person to another, finally coming back to the person who passed it in the first place. What gets passed back to that person?

One dollar.

If you increase or decrease the number of people in the room, the rate at which the dollar passes through each hand before getting back to the person who started passing it will change- but the amount of the dollar remains a dollar.

That's what is wrong with Obama's policies. And he does not have a clue what he is doing wrong.

Joe in Albany

And his bogus claim that it is all paid for reminded me of watching Popeye cartoons as a kid where Wimpy would say:

Joeey, you gotta stop your despairing. It'll only be not paid for if the puny little men on the right don't comply with the wishes of the American people.

Now they wouldn't do; that would they?

After all they are listening to the people ask where are the jobs. This is thier change to prove they can listen.

Obama sure can "talk". No doubt. The last 32 months proves that he is all talk. Again, the spending is now, and the debt is paid off mostly after he leaves office.

Interesting that Obama criticized Bush for deficit spending, and he should have done so. Obama stated Bush took out a credit card from China and expects our children to pay the debt. Obama called Bush unpatriotic for this action. Now Obama is doing exactly what he criticized Bush for doing. The hypocrisy of this President never ends. Does Obama still believe Bush was unpatriotic for deficit spending? This is the same Obama that criticized the raising of the debt ceiling and now is on track to rack up more debt than any other President.

I am sending this Congress a plan that you should pass right away. It's called the American Jobs Act. There should be nothing controversial about this piece of legislation. Everything in here is the kind of proposal that's been supported by both Democrats and Republicans - including many who sit here tonight. And everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything.

Thank you Mr. President but you have lost your trust of the American people. We just don’t believe you. The devil is in the details and we need to read the bill first. In fact, please have it on the government website for 72 hours before asking for our support.

reminded me of watching Popeye cartoons as a kid where Wimpy would say:

Does it come as any surprise that will ALL the cartoon characters out there, the idiot from Albany most closely identifies with Wimpy? lmao

Ha! DID EVERYONE CATCH THAT "BEV-ISM" further up the thread? The one calling Bush a "buffon." Good one Bev!

FG 2.0: Well the republican house has two choices, they can help pass the jobs bill, which is politically good for Obama (and great for the nation), or they can block the jobs bill which is even better politically for Obama (but bad for the nation).

You know FG, maybe it would be a good idea if Obama worried less about his political prospects and how he is perceived, and maybe work on making government, his government, more efficient, less costly, and more business friendly so friends of his, like GEs Jeff Immult, will stop sending jobs overseas.

It's known you Liberals love your Obama, but it's time now to put that aside for what is good for the nation, and for all the unemployed and under-employed people of the country. Obama has failed at that, and his speech last night is just more evidence that Obama just does not get it.

The predictable and partisan comments on First Read are a F-k load more boring than the President's speech last night.

I'm so glad radical votes don't matter at all in Presidential elections.

Anyway, onto the speech. Pretty good, and the response from conservatives is because they too are interested in getting something done. Nobody wants to be holding the bag of doing nothing in '12, except the Baggers, who do nothing. Wall Street Democrats have already boo hoo cried about the President giving up some of the things they wanted, but that is because they have no interest in having what they want work financially for the country. Politicians and voters with brains (you know, those you don't see making partisan comments on First Read that constantly attack their opponents) know you can't be a Bagger or a Hugger and get anything done. Too bad those two extremist groups can't figure that out themselves.

Okay here's the deal - if you don't like the President's jobs bill - where is YOUR'S?

I clearly recall a certain orange tinted fella, screaming 'Where are the Jobs Mr. President' non stop last fall, and yet 9 1/2 months into their term have not produces a single job creation bill...

I would LOVE to hear some ideas out of the tea baggers other then just say NO or tax cuts!

Anyone???

Bev......thank you. I liked what you had to say, our President works hard to try and make peoples' lives better. Of course not all want him to try anything. Judging from some of the responses here, there are some who swallowed a double dose of cranky and in some cases, nasty pills, this morning......their better angels, if they have any, have yet to find them.

Safe travels to Richmond this morning Mr President....say hi to Mr Cantor for us, if he shows up.

Hiya Kids, Hiya, Hiya. Froggy

First things first. Great post Gingerbread girl, I loved the story of the old Cherokee and the Yiddish (once I figured out it was Yiddish) quote was fun. I actually could read it! I was so proud of myself, it was priceless and accurate.

White Collar..whatever, cheap shot dude. Ignorant and lame.

And finally...who was the elderly toad in the red blazer who sat slouched in her chair with her hands clasped across her ample stomach through most of the President's speech? Ugh. I can't believe they risked those expensive cameras for the close ups.

Ok, that's all taken care of.

Well, my response to the opposition response is, same tired voices singing the same old song. Ad nauseum.

You folks need to get yourselves some new writers. Surely your fearless leaders can give you some updated talking points to spew at us. This stuff is repetitive and lame to the tenth degree. (that's really lame)

The President challenged you to change your tune, put the American people first and politics second. If you don't, he and I assure you we the people will not forget and you will pay the price in 14 months.

We are all tired of the political circus and the clowns on the right. It's time to lead, follow or GET OUT OF THE WAY. You've already proven you cannot lead and you are unwilling to follow so get the hell out of the way! All you've done for the last 252 days is act like speed bumps to our economic recovery. YOU cost us our Triple A rating and YOU are preventing us from getting this country back on it's feet.

Don't give me that crap about "throwing good money after bad." The Germans under Angela Merckel did the same thing and jump-started their economy after the near melt-down of the world's economy thanks to BushII and his buddies. It worked, the German economy is once again on the mend. Your argument is without merit. It assumes that the stimulus didn't work. IT DID WORK and every economist agrees that it saved us AND THE REST OF THE WORLD from a financial catastrophe.

All you can say is, NO IT DIDN"T, NO IT DIDN"T. But that's just not true. It did work even though the President predicted he and his party would pay the price for it in 2010 and sadly he was right about that as well.

This plan puts the American people and the American economy first. It incorporates elements previously supported by REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS alike. It's a good plan and should get a fast track through the House and Senate and into law!

The President has very artfully painted you into a corner. Either you put the American People first or you put Politics first. We the people are watching and we will neither forgive or forget if you fail to act.

OK, Plunk your magic twanger froggy!

American held hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

Gotta love it. All the same old libbies on First Read giving the President props for a "strong" speech last night. Yet, none of them seem to want to say why the President's proposals are a good thing and show that they will work this time around. Instead, all they want to say is its no in the GOP's court to not block this legislation and the country will be saved.

I want to hear from Fiesty, Beverly, or Navy Vet, etc. as to how this jobs bill will benefit America. Please l list out the specifics. I have seen specific examples and explinations from the right as to why this is a poor plan with supporting evidence. There is not a single post in the thread above so far from the left as to how this plan will work and get the economy going again. Rather, its the same name calling from the left by the same few left wign nut jobs that seem to think that everyone who opposes their veiw point is a right wing nubt job.

Seems another occasion to re-post what I put up elsewhere a while ago - this is where the discussion is happening:

Spotlight on Congress as President thunders:

Pass this bill now!

As predicted, President Obama has given Congress an inescapable challenge – he’s taken the task of actually doing what the voters elected the Senators and Representatives to produce in the 2010 elections: Create jobs and make the economy grow.

In a thunderous, direct, in-your-face address before the Congress in joint session assembled, President Obama laid out a list of the measures to be taken to achieve the goal. He provided ideas that originated on both sides of the aisle, and he promised to deliver the actual legislation, typed up and ready to go, when the Senate and House return next week to work.

And he said, “Pass this bill now!”

The country already knew that his prior stimulus program, although inadequate to the task of moving the world’s largest economy far enough, had succeeded. It reversed the path of shrinkage that had been underway when President Obama inherited the Bush Recession, and it created as many as more than two million jobs. So this program, more targeted, can build on the record, it’s using proven methods.

The snide Tea Party nay-sayers, who only wish to tear down, rather than build up, should be very, very cautious now. They saw an inspiring leader in action, and President Obama is already taking his campaign for jobs to the nation.

The American people are not simply watching, Members of Congress – they are already calling out on your phones and in your email, to Pass this bill now!

Addendum: The prescription given above, in post #1.23, is straight from the Grover Norquist Americans for Tax Reform 0playbook. It is part of the Libertarian and ultra-right program intended to increase the assets and earnings of the wealthy, impoverish what remains of the middle class, hand public funds and assets over to private industry, and turn the United States in a cartel political economy. It has been tried, and not only in the U.S. for the past 30 years, but also around the world. it is a known prescription for failure. For comprehensive details, see:

Thomas Frank, The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Ruined Government, Enriched Themselves, and Beggared the Nation

Naomi Klein, The Schock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism

Joseph Stiglitz, Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy

Nasty Redhead: Get your facts straight:

Does it come as any surprise that will ALL the cartoon characters out there, the idiot from Albany most closely identifies BARRY with Wimpy?

Gingerbread Mamma, that Cherokee story is a favorite of mine; terrific post. Enjoyed your comments also, Beverly, Forrest Grump and Pen-24, John A.

We know President Obama hit the ball out of the park last night because the conservative posters have their undies in a bunch and, just as the GOPTP legislators last night, seem to suffer indigestion or sucked on lemons. With few exceptions, they make no effort to offer their ideas just petty snark to make them feel better.

Last month, the CBO released its analysis of the economic impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or what’s better known as the stimulus for the second quarter of the year. That report said that although the effects of the stimulus are waning, the economic situation of the country would’ve been worse without it.

Thank you again President Obama for keeping us from falling into the abyss!

So if the effects of the stimulus are waning as the money runs out, how can you claim it was a success? Isn't the purpose of an economic stimulus to kick-start (prime the pump) an economic recovery that is self-sustaining? The fact that the President is calling for more stimulus is in fact an admission that the first one failed as documented by the CBO above. The question is "Why would a stimulus of $449B succeed where a $850B stimulus failed" and to use your own logic, "If the $850B stimulus succeeded why do we need another stimulus at all"?

No joe,

Not to sound like a libbie ...... but truly great comments.

All of it.

Libbies have no clue about velocity ..... probably never will ..... but how can anyone not understand the dynamics of energy cost?

Energy is the life blood of the economy. How can you restrict the life blood and expect to heal?

Obama talks about reducing the taxes for the middle class while he is intentionally creating a terrible hidden tax in gas prices and inflation.

We have the greatest reserve of natural energy resources and Obama desperately tries to chokes the energy industry to death.

A tax - yea a stupidity tax for having this guy as president.

Good thing is that this tax can be permanently repealed ...... in November 2012.

Ha! DID EVERYONE CATCH THAT "BEV-ISM" further up the thread? The one calling Bush a "buffon." Good one Bev!

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Here's another one (LOL!!!):

This is thier change to prove they can listen.

Skip, enjoyed your thoughts, too.

White Collar Auto

This must be what the Pre-Speech Meeting went like:

Speech Writer: “Mr. President here is the speech”

Obama: “Did you put the part about ‘Pass the Bill’ in there?”

Speech Writer: “Yes Sir”

Obama: “How many times?”

Speechwriter: “17 times Sir.”

Obama: “Is that all you could fit in?”

Speechwriter:”Yes Sir, we think that is enough.”

Obama: “Did you make sure to leave out how we pay for it?”

Speechwriter: “Yes Sir, but don’t you think that may be a problem?”

Obama: “It’s OK; I’ll us Pelosi’s line about having to pass it before we know what’s in it or how to pay for it. It worked for her.”

Obama: “Only 17 times, eh?”

Speechwriter: “Yes Sir.”

This just made me lmao except you forgot to add the *pause for applause* in between every sentence, I found that highly annoying last night, I was actually sitting there wondering if there was an applause sign that lit up after every sentence?

Anyway I watched the speech TWICE last night and I took notes. I don't quite remember if it was JS1 or no joe that said he's just going to give the same speech he always does, and I started laughing because a bunch of y'all jumped all over her, and yet she was absolutely CORRECT! So what do y'all have to say for that now?

In between fits of laughter all I could yell at the TV is HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? Still waitin on the answer to that, guess President Obama will tell us during his next pretty speech?

"In a significant shift driven by bipartisan concern about the looming long-term debt, Republicans and Democrats are no longer fighting over whether to tackle the popular entitlement programs – Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security – but over how to do it."

That's the lead sentence from a NYT story this morning. Good grief, what will the extreme left wing zealots around here have to say about that? As long as I've been posting on this board the usual leftist suspects have adamantly maintained their head in the sand posture on this issue and refused to acknowledge the severity of the problem. Fortunately, it looks like the time might be coming for more objective heads to prevail in this matter. And maybe Rick Perry's view of Social Security and Paul Ryan's prescription for Medicare has more legs than the left would care to admit.

After Ingesting what the SoB in The white House said last Night i slept on it . And this Morning i did the Congress a Favor and Passed the bill. When i was Finished. I flushed it.

Fortunately, it looks like the time might be coming for more objective heads to prevail in this matter. And maybe Rick Perry's view of Social Security and Paul Ryan's prescription for Medicare has more legs than the left would care to admit.

Don't bet on it Bill. Every solution I've seen here on fixing SS is to remove the current cap on taxes. You can bet that will be the position of an Obama Administration if it's re-elected. You know they won't make that proposal before the election though.

Yet another vapid 'shovel ready' speech from the empty suit.

We are WORSE off now.

Thanks Jody.

It's a pity the right continues to sing their same tired old song. They just don't get it. But their lack of action will have consequences. The President has very cleverly backed them into a corner.

I hope you are all calling, emailing and writing to your congressmen to get on board and pass the bill.

If just twenty people call their representatives they will put tremendous pressure on them.

Tell them to pass the bill or you will campaign and vote against them next year. Put it on the line in no uncertain terms. Enough is enough, we want action. We want them to put politics aside and put America and the American people first.

America held hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

Well JS 1 It is politics that republicans have been playing and they overplayed "the we are saving the country from Obama tune" they are responsible now, they have to govern and they have done nothing but name a few buildings. I can't help it if Obama knows this is how it is politically, he is right, I was right, that post of mine was a re-post of something I posted weeks ago. I can't help that you get upset every time republicans get their political heads handed to them by a community organizer. So now when you tell the American people you do not have any money for medicare so their old sick mother in law is going to have to move in with them, but you still have billions of dollars for insanely profitable oil companies you have a political problem. When you tell average Joe his is taking a big pay cut so a hedge fund manager can keep getting his sweet deal you have a political problem. When you tell 40-55 year olds you are cancelling a program they have paid into for years, but you make $175,000 a year and have the best tax payer provided health care, pension and vacation benefits possible you have a political problem. If Republicans would have been a little more moderate and floated a jobs bill right after the last election Obama may well have been one and done, but that ship has sailed for republicans. Republicans put themselves in this position by announcing immediately after his election that their main goal was to see him fail, then the republican house sealed the deal by doing nothing since the midterms. Now they have to improve his chances of winning by passing a jobs bill, or insure that he wins by not passing one. Hey if it makes you feel better JS1 maybe you could just chalk it up as bad Karma.

Hey Joe,

“I’ll gladly pay you to Tuesday for a hamburger today.”

Funny that kids decades ago understood what a joke this was when Wimpy J. Wellington used to say it in cartoons, yet liberals still can’t get it …….. heck - they think it is actually a template for running a government.

I thought of the same analogy at the time of the credit down grade, wondering if it was explained as ....

Wimpy has received 15 trillion $1 hamburgers and Tuesday has never come.

Wimpy Obama says …….. “Some rich people will gladly pay you 3,650 Tuesdays from now for 4 trillion more hamburgers today.”

S & P …….. said ……. Times up.

So Obama partys for a few days, takes a bitch and moan bus tour, goes on vacation and comes back and says.......

For 430 billion more hamburgers today ...... I'll get to you in a few weeks?

Insane.

But, Feisty get it ..... have the understanding of a child .....nope ... never gonna happen.

Do you know how your government Works?

Duties of President of the United States of America

1. Sign the legislation; the bill then becomes law.
2. Veto the legislation and return it to Congress, expressing any objections; the bill does not become law, unless each house of Congress votes to override the veto by a two-thirds vote.
3. Take no action. In this instance, the president neither signs nor vetoes the legislation. After 10 days, not counting Sundays, two possible outcomes emerge:
   • If Congress is still convened, the bill becomes law.
   • If Congress has adjourned, thus preventing the return of the legislation, the bill does not become law. This latter outcome is known as the pocket veto.

Duties Of Congress

Writing and passing federal laws (their primary job).
Regulating interstate commerce, communication and transportation.
Regulating the US Mint and the money supply.
Creating appellate and lower courts.
Declaring war on foreign countries.

Like I said we need a vote of Confidence of Congress!

@Forrest -- I totally disagree with your assumptions and it happens that a majority of the focus groups reaction from around the country also echo my sentiments. Nice try though but the wrong spin.

@MDB123 -- Great points. The duties as outlined in your post show how much both branches have over stepped their bounds trying to force regulations and regulations down our throats. If only Washington would see that it is not the end all and be all. Stay out of American's way and do your job.

Steveiam,

You are a sad, disrespectful little man and should be banned. YOU are the problem. YOU are not part of the solution and your comments are juvenile and unworthy of our time. Get a job, get a life and get off this board.

America held hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

I wish to renew my question from yesterday.

Why can't we have universal health care?

Why can't we have Medicare for everybody?

You Obama supporters are really brain washed aren't you? What is different about this plan compared with the last plan Obama had that did nothing. This is political stunt meant to put a piece a junk legislation out there that will put us further in debt, not help the economy, and pay off supporters of the administration.

My advice to the Republicans, say you think this bill stinks but you will let it pass and get signed by the president so he can't blame you in the months to come when the economy continues to suck. All the president and democrats are trying do now is get Republicans on record as saying no to something so they can say they tried to fix the economy but Republicans blocked it. Pass this piece of S*&T and let the Democrats own it. Whats another half a trillion dollars in debt.

@Skip -- Actually I thought Steveiam took that right out of Feisty's playbook.

Ray (numbers)

The devil is in the details and we need to read the bill first. In fact, please have it on the government website for 72 hours before asking for our support.

Apart from your snide reference to the President, you are wrong here, too.

Under Speaker Boehner, Congress is out of session more than in. Today, for example, the House is in Recess - as it will also be on Monday. The House convenes three days a week for three weeks out of four, and then is in recess the fourth week. So the President informed Congress that when they decide to sit down again for a little work - and the Hoouse has done darn little all year - next week, they'll get their proposed legislation, all typed up and ready to go.

You want to indulge in snark, sir, know the circumstances so that you can actually made an effective jibe.

Chuck Todd,

I am respectfully calling you out! All this Political party rhetoric! Everyone has forgotten or possibly doesn't know how the actually Branches of Government work (Don't work). Can you do an episode With the breakdown?

Political Parties come and go they are not government! The CONSTITUTION is our foundation not these parties! Before and after these parties the Constitution is the Corner Stone!

Checks and Balance not Personal Check$ and Campaign account Balance!

Please remember there is an executive order (below) that MANDATES all construction monies be given to UNION companies!

"The I have a scheme speech has hidden agenda's.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderUseofProjectLaborAgreementsforFederalConstructionProjects/

My OH MY!

The tea baggers sure are distraught this morning! lol

The ball in now in your court - the question is are you going to run with it, or pick it up and take it home...

Remember, America is watching!

You are a sad, disrespectful little man and should be banned.

Little Stevie has been - only a matter of time before they catch up with him again!

Isn't that right Steve (lots of numbers)? *yawn*

Poor Skip.

What part of my post didnt you like? sorry if it offended you (well not really) but be honest what part offended you?

Skip, Oklahoma City: " I hope you are all calling, emailing and writing to your congressmen to get on board and pass the bill."

Already done, Skip. For those of you who haven't, Skip's words from above might be a good starting point: "It's time to lead, follow or GET OUT OF THE WAY. You've already proven you cannot lead and you are unwilling to follow so get the hell out of the way! All you've done for the last 252 days is act like speed bumps to our economic recovery. YOU cost us our Triple A rating and YOU are preventing us from getting this country back on it's feet."

By the way, my Congressman, Pat Meehan (R), has a form to fill out on his website where you're supposed to enter the topic you're contacting him about. I noted to him that I was forced to choose "Other" because while he had pre-listed possible topics such as "Grant Requests", "HealthCare", "Homeland Security", "Immigration", "Welfare", and "Taxes and Trade", there was nowhere to check either "Jobs" or "The Economy"as the subject. Interesting, huh?

Did you see Boehner sitting there the poor guy had that turned down boo boo lip look on his face my kids used to get when they skined their little knee. At least he took it like a man and did not cry on camera. Mitch McConnell had the boo boo lip so bad it almost looked like he had a chin for a moment. I guess it is no fun getting your political head handed to you by a community organizer, HA it is finally time to for Congress to play or pay. BTW pass this bill right away, just lean forward and sign it, it is an important jobs bill. You do want to save your jobs don't you house republicans?

Hey libs, is there a problem that you don't try to just throw money at?

I mean we can save a lot of time if every idea you have is some massive spending program used with borrowed money from China.

@John A -- I am not quite sure what you mean by numbers, snide reference, snark nor that I am wrong. I said nothing in my post other than my opinion and the opinion of the majority of Americans (polls and focus groups) as to his believability. I called him Mr. President. You seem to be a bit paranoid or nervous or something. Plus, what does the House calendar have anything to do with the WH posting the American Jobs Act (including the details) on the government website?

Thank you Mr. President but you have lost your trust of the American people. We just don’t believe you. The devil is in the details and we need to read the bill first. In fact, please have it on the government website for 72 hours before asking for our support.

Obama and his latest speech are being thoroughly mocked.

Barack H. Obama - Mr. Irrelevant

Here is another referendum on Obama

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/09/poll_republican_turner_leads_democrat_weprin_in_ny_special_election.html

Tuesday ought to be interesting.

So, let's see- Obama lost Kennedy's Senate seat.

Lost the House by numbers greater than any in over 80 years.

Is probably going to lose Weiner's seat.

Yes, I know- democrats have proven that, in upstate New York, if you run two candidates in a special election, the democrats can reliably gain the seat.

Guess they forgot that strategy in NY9. Thought they had it in the bag.

We have the worst economy since the depression and you silly little liberals think it's funny and talk about how Boehner looked like some defeated guy? Do you care at all that after THREE years in the White House Obama still has housing going down, and unemployment going up? You can bitch and whine all you want about the Republicans who have controlled the House for 8 tiny months, but what about the FOUR years you idiots controlled both the House and Senate. Two of those years with a Democrat in the White House, what did YOU GUYS do then????????? This country is suffering and all you care about is defeating Republicans! I'm sure the unemployed will sleep better tonight knowing another 450 billion dollars will be spent, most of it coming from TAX CUTS to businesses and middle class individuals who have a job.

If by no other measure, the President's speech was a success judging by the number, frenzy and volume of conservative posts on this forum. While denying the Rovian playbook, they blindly follow it explicitly.

What is it with conservatives? They all ask for written proof. Can none of them listen to and comprehend the spoken word?

The answer to the question about the response from the right is very clear. The right will continue to say no, disrupt and destroy the country. At least until the 2012 elections.

Fiesty, All Obama would have to do is fart out loud and you would be on here praising the glory of his speech and all your liberal crap!!

We are only "distraught" because Obama opens his mouth and people like run act like school girls when the quaraterback walks into the room.

When pushed I fall to the right side of center, but I enjoyed the President's speech. Whether I agree or not, or even whether this bill will pass is almost not the point - Mr. Obama was presidential last night, a leader passionately rallying Congress to his side.

Another typical speech by a typical politician.

Unfortunately, there will be plenty of people who will immediately jump on the bandwagon (as proven by a number of the posters above) and think what Obama said was brilliant or that he was showing true leadership or any of a number of other fawning adoration type comments.

Obama's speech last night left out a number of important considerations though.

First off, there is no such thing as a "shovel ready" job when you are referring to working on the nation's infrastructure. Before ANY shovels hit the ground, plans must be submitted, permits must be issued, designs must be studied, etc. In other words, there's a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be done before anything is built. Yes, this will put a few people to work, but nowhere near the numbers that Obama seems to believe.

Secondly, Obama did not even remotely lay out exactly how the government planned to pay for this "jobs" bill. I've read that Obama wants the "supercommittee" to find a way to tack it onto the 1.2 trillion in cuts that they are supposed to find.

Considering how much trouble Congress just had trying to find ways of cutting costs....does ANYONE really think that's going to happen anytime soon?

Add to that the fact that this 1.2 trillion in spending cuts is supposed to take place over the next 10 years, that only equals 120 billion a year, or a little over 1/10th of the budget deficit this past year. Sorry, but that doesn't remotely impress me. Our government spends far too much money on too many ridiculous things and it is way past time for them to put a stop to it.

It is past time that our government became more responsible with OUR money. It is past time that WE demand that they become more responsible. I don't care which political party is in power. Both sides have been totally irresponsible with our money and it is past time to start holding them accountable.

Skip:

What's with the demeaning introduction of using Hiya Kids and Kiddies? Surely you are not considering yourself the only adult on FT. There are many here who are more scholarly, better read, better writers, better story tellers, and better researchers. If you are seeking recognition, talking down to people won't get it. If you are trying to be cute, you are not. If you want recognition, try the old fashion way, Earn it.

Tom, Tamarac, FL

Boner looked uncomfortable, he appeared to be joansing for happy hour. I kept expecting him to look at his watch.

They've been expecting a lot of things that haven't been working in their favor lately. You'd better get used to the disappointment, Conservatives. It's going to be a very long 14 months and four years after that.

I guess I'd be angry too if all I ate, drank and read was BS from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. What sad, miserable, hopeless lives they lead.

@ Ray#s I respect your opinion and the fact that you respectfully disagree with me, but I am not spinning I beleive that is the way most people feel and that is the politics and the reality of the situation as it stands now. The republican house poll numbers are at an all time historic low, you think the electorate is gonna let them slide, I don't. They have themselves with two bad choices (from their perspective) pass a bill and help Obama, or delay, shred, or kill the bill and hand Obama the election on a silver platter.

All you REP and TEA party members, remember, if you all win the 2012 presidential, YOU WILL HAVE TO TRY AND PASS YOUR PLANS. or will you state, "We need to raise taxes on everyone because of the mess we have, so everyone needs to help, including the poor and wealthy."

Obama/Biden 2012 or Paul/Bachman, Perry/Romney,Rich/Cain

What is it with conservatives? They all ask for written proof

And when provided with written proof - they attack the source...

Judging by all the howling going on here today - it's safe to say President Obama scored a touchdown last night...

Notice how not a one of them can provide what their ideas are for job creation?

Nope!

Nothing but Obama bashing 24/7 - what a way to move our country forward!

Oooops!

My bad, they want THEIR country BACK! lol

brenj

You repubteabags are such sore losers, and the most disrepectful bunch I have ever witnessed in the history of this country for highest office in this land. Could u b jealous of the President, it is because he is a black man, or is just plain ignorance or all of the above?

You all can take a flight to the nearest and dearest hell close to your heart! LOL!!

Mixed Bag

First Read is surprised that GOP Congressional leaders ..."didn't reject President Obama's speech out of hand..."

How could they?

He hasn't provided the specifics of his "paid for" proposal.

Are you saying that your party - the party that should be wearing Depends on their heads - the party usually so reserved when it comes to commentary regarding this President - is waiting to read the text? The President used little enough words so that even conservatives should be able to follow it.

JoAnna,

Obama coined the phrase "carnival barker" to describe one of your prized ex-presidential candidates, the infamous comb forward, birther believer, multiple bankruptcy filer, the Don, Donald Trump. Therefore, you cannot use the phrase against Obama.

Cute act, Ron, but every regular on here knows that the skipster is a Libs R Us member in good standing- so, no sale.

I like fielden telling people that they do not need a written word- they should jut pay attention to the spoken word.

Okay, fielden, I'll play- tell me, since Obama "spoke" about passing free trade bills last night, but HAS NOT submitted said bills to congress for consideration-

Am I free to categorize every other word he spoke as the same kind of lie?

Cause, I was willing to give him a pass as uneducated on economics.

If you say I should think of the whole dang thing as a lie, I bow to your greater understanding of the man.

He is, after all, your idol- not mine.

The Republican reaction to the president’s remarks was almost as interesting as the speech. The leadership was conciliatory. House Speaker Boehner issued this statement: “The proposals the president outlined tonight merit consideration. We hope he gives serious consideration to our ideas as well.” While House Majority Leader Cantor didn’t like Obama’s all-or-nothing approach, he said this: “What we should do is go for the things in the package that we both can agree on.”

The truth is Teapublicans were caught off guard. Don't be lulled into thinking Boehner will really consider anything other than their own agenda. He is just trying to appear cooperative while buying time to figure how to obstruct once again. As for Cantor, no you SOB, you don't get to cherry pick. This time you must agree to a balanced approach or the offer will be taken off the table and the president will shame you publicly.

As for the right-wing riff raff in this thread, please stop referring to the American people as if the rest of us agree with you. The fact that Shock Jocks like Limbaugh support crap like Perry's ponzi scheme should tell you something. You are in an Echo Chamber and in a Cone of Silence. You are NOT in the mainstream of this country.

Obama/Biden - 2012!

Watched the speech last night. I would give it an A for delivery and animation. As far as the ideas and content I would give it a low B. Although I am happy that he started high according to what he could reasonable pass, I have some concerns. As I have mentioned here before, Obama starts too far to the GOP side and then continues to low ball his ideals by the time a deal is reached. Thankfully, I don't think that is the case here.

However, I see Obama will continue to give the social security tax cut holiday for everyone. I would think we can all do with out the thirty or forty extra bucks a month. For the little it does for each person individually, I would rather that be kept so SS isn't weakened.

Next as First Read wrote, democrats are cheering about the amount but haven't considered the consequences. If Obama gets the total $450 billion he requested he is giving the super committee the free reign to slash an additional $450 billion. Where are the spending cuts coming from?

I do like his idea about providing incentives for hiring the long term unemployed and the veterans. Personally, I think the business world's latest MO to only hire people who have jobs, passing on those actually unemployed is wrong.

I think the school improvement and infrastructure repair can help re energize the construction and architectural fields.

I will be interested in learning more and find it hopeful that the GOP leaders did not outright reject it.

Potential Political ramifications - It would be politically wise if the GOP accept a small package, obviously it will only include tax cuts, then when minimal growth is seen they can point to it as a failed exercise. If nothing passes Obama will smack them with their lack of help in every speech. However, as President Obama stated it is 14 months to the election, we can't play politics and weigh these things on how they will play to special interests groups.

Next step for Obama is to turn around and kick Boner in the azz and tell him to get the jobs bill passed through his house of ill repute.

The only thing missing on Boner is big floppy shoes and a red ball at the end of his nose.

Also, tell the old phuck mcconnell to retire.

Feisty,

Obama didn't score any touchdowns last night...but then considering your ideology, you obviously wouldn't agree. The man had no intelligent explanation for how he plans to pay for this new "jobs" bill. He obviously has no real understanding of what it takes to actually create jobs. Neither do the Republicans, but they're not the ones in power.

As for Obama bashing, go whine to someone who cares.

You liberals did nothing BUT bash Bush while he was in office, calling him all kinds of hateful things, yet you seem to think that's ok. You do nothing BUT bash Republicans and conservatives...and yet you have the gall to make comments like "what a way to move our country forward" when they do the same thing?

LOL what a hypocrite. You remind me of the other people just like you...namely the ideologues on the other side of the aisle. You're all nothing but a bunch of children pretending to be adults. You all seem to suffer from the delusion that "It's ok if my side does it, but if you do it you're being mean". It's like listening to a bunch of kids on the playground sometimes.

I wish you'd ALL grow up, but that is obviously wishing for far too much.

Feel free to hate on my post. I expect it from children.

I hope they actually do as he asked. Then the rubber will meet the road, but it won't be his fault!! Guarantee it!

All you phoney fiscal hawks voted 'W' & the 'Dick back in again in 2004...

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter,"

http://www.ontheissues.org/

Why Ron, a lecture, from you? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

I have already explained the quote and it is an even-handed slap at both sides. The quote is from a children's show from the 1950's, THE BUSTER BROWN SHOW. Froggy was a puppet on the program and my favorite character. He was a mischeivious and funny little rascal. Since I believe that most of the posters on First Read act like children I choose to open my posts on First Read (and not elsewhere) with Froggy's famous salutation at the beginning of each show. Don't like it, put me on ignore and don't read it. Since yesterday I garnered 23 votes and at last count I had 21 this morning I believe you are in the minority.

Steveiam, you know what is offensive and juvenile in your remark and I won't dignify it with an explanation. You are a waste of time and space on this blog. Your inability to express yourself in any other manner reflects badly on you and your cohorts. Grow up, get a job, get a life and get off this board, you are not worth my time.

FIRST READ BAN THIS BOZO PLEASE!

Go over blog on Fox. They'll love you.

America Held Hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

Just curious. All the libs, including redhead and skip, who thought the speech was brilliant: If you were an employer, what parts of Obama's proposals would cause you to jump right in there and hire people and why?

skip,

"Hiya kids, hiya hiya" was a phrase my Dad used frequently.

Love it!!!

Unemployment won't go down until Welfare Obama is out of office. Why should any of these free loaders work with 99 weeks of subsidy just begging to be wasted. Quit extending Unemployment Benifits and spend that money lowering the debt or re-building infrastructure we have to replace anyway. Stop encouraging local governments to be irrisponsible by providing public sector employees another year of salary. Obama is such a poor leader. After that ridiculous speech I'm surprised the market is olny down 300 points right now. Listen liberals, businesses are not going to hire anyone who has been off work 99 weeks. Stop encorgaing them. Even the Black voters who still support Obama by a 95% margin are worse off with this kind of poor leadership. VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter,"

So what are arguing? That you agree with Cheney that deficits don't matter? Or, that Cheney was wrong and that they do matter?

As an independent its always amusing to see Republicans and Democrats swap positions depending upon their current need (the Debt Ceiling was particularly amusing). I guess politicians can do this because most of them are lawyers and so are used to arguing either side of a case but what about their supporters?

So, what are you saying? Is Cheney right or wrong? My opinion is and has always been that deficits DO matter and it doesn't matter which party is causing them because they're both wrong. (...and this goes back to the days of St Reagan).

Here's hoping that republicans do what they've been doing, which is nothing - and here's hoping they dont pass this bill, and so that we do nothing for the next 14 months.

Then when a republican gets elected, we democrats can play obstructionist to all of the republicans idea's...and watch the nation spiral through the toilet hole.

It sounds like what everyone wants...

Ron Indiana,

Let me take another stab at responding to your observations on my poorly written, inadequately researched and mostly worthless yet condescending offerings. As I have stated many times on this blog, I find the constant bickering, name-calling and mud-slinging between the right and the left to be childish and not helpful. I am an independent. I am neither democrat nor republican. I have freely admitted several times that I am a firm supporter of the President and that my politics are middle of the road but with strong Progressive leanings.

As a free American and a free thinker I reserve the right to criticize ANYONE, regardless of their party affiliation, if I think they are off-base. I try to do so with respect though sometimes I slip, I'm only human.

Publicly and privately I have expressed my concerns regarding the tone of the comments, both right and left, I see on FIRST READ and other political blogs. They are filled with negative energy and they are not contributing anything to a meaningful dialogue regarding possible solutions to our problems. It's all rhetoric and talking points. Very little real substance. US Navy, Gingerbread Mamma, "Grimey" Grimes, Jody and New Day Dawning are among the rare exceptions. There are others and I hope they will forgive me for not mentioning them by name.

We are ALL Americans. We are ALL facing the same problems. We are ALL looking for solutions but you won't find any here on FIRST READ because of all the partisan mud-slinging and name-calling. I sometimes feel like the only teacher on a playground filled with third-graders.

So, yes, I think that Froggy's famous salutation from a favorite program of my childhood is appropriate. I will not apologize for it. I have expressed this opinion many times in the past.

Finally, if you don't like what I have to say or the "condescending" attitude that I have expressed please put me on "ignore". Most of the right wing posters are already ignoring me and that's fine with me.

I will continue to voice my support for the President of our country. I will continue to call out those whom I believe are destroying this country and I will continue to criticize pointless, crude comments made by EITHER the right or the left.

If you find my offerings unworthy, do like NOJO, JOANNA, and the majority of the right and don't waste your time reading them. It does not offend me in the least.

Thank you for your comment, my best to you and yours. Have a great weekend.

America held hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

No matter how you "slice and dice it", and dress it up with rhetoric, it's still just "Stimulus" #2.

The definition of insanity (hat-tip to Albert Einstein) is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Some people never learn.

The Obama supporters will support him regardless of what he says or does. Their excuses for his failures is the 'blame game' and he tells them who to blame and what to say and by golly, from his lips to his followers ears. In the word regurgitation game there are none better.

The speech? The repeat of all his other 'stimulus' speeches? Essentially he wants to give half a trillion dollars to the unions, no suprise coming on the heels of his AFL-CIO speech, you know, the speech where Hoffa announced he wanted to destroy the teaparty.

I agree with the poster who said the Republicans should give him his money, so that when it blows up again, the attempts to place blame on the Republicans, teaparty, Bush, tsunami, weather, etc. won't be valid. (Not that the blame is valid, just less misinformation for his followers to bandy about.) Besides, what's a half trillion compared to the current debt?

Please stop with the "what's your plan, you have no plan just say no" comments they are just dumb. Republicans said the same thing when they controlled the congress and the white house and the democrats were using the filibuster and you liberals had a different view back then. Republicans have talked about their plans for fixing the economy ad nauseum, just because you don't listen doesn't mean there are no plans out there.

Poor Skip,

Cant define anything in my post that is offensive. It just is. This is the problem with the LibrUs crowd.. They want to call anything they Disagree with Offensive.

skip nicholson,

Wow, nice intolerance there. You're another one of those hypocrites I see.

You call steveiam a "waste of space" and to "grow up and get a life and get off this board" and you are asking First Read to ban him? Yes, his initial comment was in poor taste and rather juvenile, but your response is even worse.

You tell him to grow up, but it looks like you could use a little growing up yourself.

And please get over the "America held hostage day 252" bs would you? This country is not being "held hostage" by anyone...and comments like that only make you look foolish.

So what are the republicans plans to fix the economy?

Congressional republicans were sent to washington last november to get people back to work.

Not to focus all their energy on defeating Obama in 2012 - as Boehner seems to think.

I hate to be one to break it to you republicans, you've got 14 months to show the american people you actually care about those out of work...and you care abotu finding ways to get them BACK to work...and not at jobs like taco bell either.

Obama: "Pass this jobs bill! Don't worry how it's getting paid for! Pass it or I'll scream and pout!"

Obots: "YEAH! Pass it or you're terrorists!"

Rest of the world: ".......we'll take our chances."

No one buys his BS anymore. Merely coming on TV and proclaiming his plan the best ever and that anyone who doesn't agree is obstructing America is the epitome of narcissism. He very clearly made sure not to mention how all of this would be paid for. If you're too stupid to see that, there's no helping you.

PS - I love the hypocrisy from the left yet again. The people who barely pay anything are now getting a tax cut, but no shouting "TAX CUTS DON'T CREATE JOBS!" from the left. Gues Obama will only be happy when it's 80% of the country who pay no taxes, instead of the 50% who already don't.

Jessica - Then when a republican gets elected, we democrats can play obstructionist to all of the republicans idea's...and watch the nation spiral through the toilet hole.

I share some of your pessimism but come now Jessica lets think country first versus party first. As we are 14 months away if something is passed perhaps it will decrease unemployment. Even if it doesn't decrease the unemployment numbers radically, it still will be beneficial for those that are hired.

Yes, if a republican is voted as president 14 months from now one tactic would be for the Dems to obstruct a GOP bill designed to end medicare or social security etc.. That said, if we have any chance as a country that 535 member body we call Congress needs to work together on things that help the country. There has to be a bit of common ground. Perhaps a bit can be found in the pieces of this bill.

Roy "The definition of insanity (hat-tip to Albert Einstein) is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Some people never learn."

Feel free to consider yourself part of that group - but I suspect you arent smart enough to.

As you say, because some people never learn. By choice.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the republicans to roll out their big ideas that never work either.

Let's look at the FACTS.

Under G W Bush, the average annual Deficit was only $251 Billion per year over 8 years.

Under Obama, the average annual Deficit is expected to be $1,329 Billion per year for 3 years.

In other words, Bush's Deficits over 8 years amounted to $2,006 Billion, while Obama's Deficits for just 3 years will be about $3,986 Billion (almost twice as much) in only 3 years.

Trying to "Blame Bush" is getting old - especially since the Democrats controlled Congress for Bush's last 2 years, and Congress set the spending budgets (and Deficits) for 2007 and 2008. Bush only had a Republican Congress for 4 years (2003-2006), during which time the economy was doing really well.

If you doubt these figures, just look at the Obama White House site below to verify them;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals See Table 1.1

Uh oh. Seems there's been some fact checking of the speech going on- and not of the free trade agreement lies, either.

How many jobs would be generated, how much it would cost, how it would be paid for are being scrutinized.

It does not look like the treatment is too favorable, either. Even from his pet network

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44449392/ns/politics-white_house/

Google "factcheck obama's job speech"- and you realize that this is the best treatment of it out there.

What do you know? Another fail.

Yellowdog "I share some of your pessimism but come now Jessica lets think country first versus party first. As we are 14 months away if something is passed perhaps it will decrease unemployment. Even if it doesn't decrease the unemployment numbers radically, it still will be beneficial for those that are hired."

I dont see the point much anymore...I dont think it makes sense that republicans get to play the 2 santa claus theory, where they yell and scream about spending the minute a democrat is elected, but when they are elected...not a peep, but they keep on spending and they dont pay for that spending.

And the reason they get away with this, is because we democrats aren't as immature as they are - because the bulk of us ACTUALLY DO PUT AMERICA FIRST.

Im to the point where I think we literally need to take a ride through the crapper, before most people - left and right - wake the f up and realize our only chance at succes is to work TOGETHER. Prior to us nearly falling off the cliff, I dont think much can change our current political atmosphere.

"Yes, if a republican is voted as president 14 months from now one tactic would be for the Dems to obstruct a GOP bill to end medicare or social security etc.. That said, if we have any chance as a country that 535 member we call Congress needs to work together on things that help the country. There has to be a bit of common ground. Perhaps a bit can be found in the pieces of this bill."

I wont be holding my breath...nearly every republicans mission is to defeat Obama, not fix our economy. I dont see where their motivation comes from to do anything about the economy - FOR THE GOOD.

Im a far left leaning liberal and I support Obama, and i expected him to work from the middle of the road - and he has, which has upset the far left greatly...but whats most pathetic, is that the right cant even be honest and recognize where he's operating from - that he often compromises far too much on things we hold dear in an effort to GET SOMETHING DONE.

The right is not willing to do the same...their idea of compromise is for us to abandon everything we stand for and go with their idea's.

There's no working with people who think that way...and it's pretty sad that we keep trying.

Why keep delaying the inevitable - lets get out of the way and let the @!$%# hit the fan.

Hopefully people will wake up when they are covered in poo.

MDB - Thank you for explaining the different roles of the President and of Congress according to the US Constitution. Now perhaps all those Tea party fanatics can actually read some of the document they say they want to "get back to". Unfortunately, Congress hasn't been doing their jobs and the President has to do it for them. All the right wing talks about is how the President does nothing. Well, it seems he's been doing what a President is supposed to do according to Article 2 of the Constitution while the Congress sits back and shirks their job duties. Where's your plan Congress? Where's your bill? The Executive branch is waiting.....

"Analysis: GOP's reaction to Obama jobs speech is surprisingly muted" - msnbc headline

Not much left to say that wasn't already said in early 2009 when Obama pushed this failed trillion dollar, agenda-drive, pet project filled, political "thank you" laden boondoggle the first time. At some point you realize you're just talking to a wall.

witchrunner

Just curious. All the libs, including redhead and skip, who thought the speech was brilliant: If you were an employer, what parts of Obama's proposals would cause you to jump right in there and hire people and why?

Witchrunner... I AM a liberal, and I am an employer. The part that will cause me to jump right up and hire people is the part that says "we'll help you expand and help you finance it". It's incentive to grow and it's what America needs. I need help and captial to expand but banks are shut tight. The banks won't help because they're not interested in seeing America grow, they're interested in protecting the trillions they hold in their vaults. Because of that, I am more than happy to allow my government to pick up the slack from the do-NOTHING conservatives on Wall Street and in Congress.

"I share some of your pessimism but come now Jessica lets think country first versus party first." - Yellowdog

I just wish that's what would have happened in Jan/Feb 2009. Maybe now there would be some jobs to be had if the Dems and Obama hadn't put their party first for the first two years of complete legislative control.

I'm shocked...

For a year... for an entire year... every conservative has cried "tax cuts create jobs." Bachmann is on camera saying "tax cuts create jobs", Boehner has made this claim, every single conservative on this board has said it. Now you get it, and you complain. Are you serious? You actually get what you want, and you are against it?

I guess the liberals were right. They said that Obama can give the GOP everything they want, and they will turn around and suddenly be against it because it came from him.

I really should not be surprised, considering these conservatives call themselves "Christian" while cheering for the blood from executions. I'm sure Jesus would be extremely proud of his followers today. The fighting, the hatred, the bloodlust... everything Jesus taught. Oh wait...

Jessica,

So what are the republicans plans to fix the economy?

Congressional republicans were sent to washington last november to get people back to work.

Not to focus all their energy on defeating Obama in 2012 - as Boehner seems to think.

I hate to be one to break it to you republicans, you've got 14 months to show the american people you actually care about those out of work...and you care abotu finding ways to get them BACK to work...and not at jobs like taco bell either

Wow, right after I said give the "no plan" crap a rest you bring up the same tired line. Below should be a link or to one of several plans the GOP has out.

My question to you is if Republicans pass a jobs bill will the Democrats in the Senate bring it up for a vote and pass it? Or will they hold it "hostage"? Bills have to pass both the House and Senate and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, you don't think they would OBSTRUCT any bill the republicans passed in the house do you? Obama would never threaten to veto their plan would he? Your comments are a joke, neither party can pass whatever they want without the other party being somewhat on board, you saying it's the GOP's fault because they won't compromise is no different then them saying it's the Democrats fault for not compromising.

ww. gop. gov/indepth/jobs/theplan - Incase the link doesn't appear use this to help get to the site, delete spaces add w

Jessica,

Don't pay any attention to ROY WILSON. He is a known liar and a troll.

You will see him post deficit numbers every day, and claim it comes from spending. When you look at the facts, you see that the deficit increase is a direct result of a drop in revenue from high unemployment. Furthermore, you can then ask to list out the exact spending that Obama has signed and gone into effect, and the list is surprisingly small.

At this point, ROY WILSON disappears into what can only be considered a "troll cave"... only to reappear tomorrow spreading the same lies. Facts scare him. Pay no attention to his lies.

Jessica,

And the reason they get away with this, is because we democrats aren't as immature as they are

Comments like that tend to prove you are EXACTLY as immature as they are. Most of your comments are nothing but insults, snide comments and condescending remarks against Republicans and conservatives...and you want to talk about maturity???

LOL I love hypocrites like you. You're so blinded by ideology that you don't even realize you do the exact same thing as those you oppose.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Republicans/conservatives are any better. They have plenty of supporters who are just as immature, just as ignorant and just as petty and hateful as you are.

Too bad neither side ever seems to realize that and work to fix their own side before they go after the other side. I guess bashing your opposition is far easier than fixing your own problems. Politics and ideology at their finest.

The best kind of breeding grounds for hypocrites.

LogicRequired

Your comments are a joke, neither party can pass whatever they want without the other party being somewhat on board, you saying it's the GOP's fault because they won't compromise is no different then them saying it's the Democrats fault for not compromising.

The Democrats did not sign a pledge saying they will never, ever compromise. The GOP did. If they did not sign a pledge, I would give credit to your statement. As it stands, one party is adamant about never, ever, EVER compromising. The Dems, by the way, have compromised. Remember the debt debate where the GOP got 98% of what they wanted?

Addendum to my Post #1.116 for those who think Bush was the "Worst President in History";

During the 4 years when Bush had a Republican Congress, the results were as follows;

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) grew by 25.9% (6.475% per year).

Unemployment averaged only 5.25% per year, and dropped to only 4.50% for 2006.

In the last 3 years under Obama, the GDP has only grown by about 3% (1% per year), despite the fact that the 'recession' ended only about 5 months after Obama took office, and Unemployment has averaged about 9.5% per year.

Obama said "Give me the job - I know how to turn things around", but no matter how you try to 'spin' the results, he has failed miserably.

Newly Independent,

You do understand the difference between tax cuts the democrats are calling for and the tax cuts republicans are calling for??? I'm sure your not so slow as to think Obama's tax cuts are not the same as those proposed by republicans??? Either you are trying to make a point and hoping people don't know the differences or you don't know the differences and need to go do some reading before posting again.

I really should not be surprised, considering these conservatives call themselves "Christian" while cheering for the blood from executions. I'm sure Jesus would be extremely proud of his followers today. The fighting, the hatred, the bloodlust... everything Jesus taught. Oh wait...

Wow could you give some examples of where "christians" are fighting, spreading hate, and the bloodlust as you say. Disagreeing with a liberal on certain issues doesn't make you hateful or out for blood, they just simply disagree. But if you have a lot of examples of American Chritians out for blood please share. My feeling is your just full of .....

It is kind of strange I never get collasped for the stupid, mean or silly stuff I might fire off, the only time I get collasped is like today when I hit the nail on the head and republicans can not deal with it, there was nothing offensive in my post just my opinion of the political situation. I try my best to keep myself in check and not be too offensive, but having said that I also know I am a grumpy old bastard (my wife explains that to me now and again) and it is not in my nature to take crap lying down, I have a hard time turning the other cheek sometimes. When a post of mine like todays gets collasped, I feel that what I have said has rung true with some republicans and while they don't like it in their hearts they must feel there is some truth there because I was not offensive, I certainly have been at times and it will happen again, but that post was collasped for some other reason. Actually I would like to know why.

Newly-Independent "Don't pay any attention to ROY WILSON. He is a known liar and a troll."

I guess those FACTS from Obama's own White House site are "An Inconvenient Truth" for you. You remind me of people that say "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's already made up".

So which FACT from Obama's link do you disagree with?

lol

UAW,

What you said is so true. I know plenty of employers who will push resume's aside if they see that applicant has been unemployed for an extended amount of time. Even if you take a job at a fast food place, its better then just sitting home waiting for your unemployment benefits to run out. Now Obama wants to extend it again.

No one likes a slacker.

1 Term 0bama said "pass this bill" 18 times last night. How is Congress supposed to "pass this bill" when it does not exist! There is no bill -supposed to be here next week. I will believe it when it see it. 424 days till we throw 1 Term 0bama out of office and 499 days until his last day in office on Jan 20 2013. If the bill ever materializes - it won't pass Congress - probably not even the Dem controlled Senate! What a joke we have as POTUS!

LogicRequired

Wow could you give some examples of where "christians" are fighting, spreading hate, and the bloodlust as you say. Disagreeing with a liberal on certain issues doesn't make you hateful or out for blood, they just simply disagree. But if you have a lot of examples of American Chritians out for blood please share. My feeling is your just full of .....

Really Logic, you really want to go there? Ok, sure.

The debates, the #1 most cheered for aspect was over executions. These executions included innocent men. Innocent lives were taken... we murdered innocent people... and you cheered.

Was there a quiet respect for the fact that innocent lives were a horrible tragedy in an effort to rid the world of killers? NO. Was there a somber tone over the fact that murder is wrong, yet it can sometimes be necessary? NO. There was an uproar... a cheer for blood. No quiet respect for the dead. No contemplation for the fact that we used murder (a sin) as justice, and innocent men died. No one was humble or sad. There was excitement and praise.

Now tell me, Logic... how "Christian" is that? Remember when the Romans cheered in coliseums as Christians were fed to lions? The debate was disturbingly similar. Remember when Jesus hung from a cross and looked over to the murderer hanging next to him? Did he cheer for the death, or did he forgive him? Enlighten us. If Jesus was standing in that audience, as they cheered for blood, what would he say?

(BTW... I may not be completely against the death penalty, but I would never cheer over deaths which include innocent lives. I would never applaud at the spilling of blood. That type of excitement represents something very dark in people.)

Thanks Totas, All these Liberals on here think Obama is doing them a favor by extending unemployment again. What a worthless policy. Nothing will give these people less chance at a job than sucking off welfare for 99 weeks. Even with a 2% tax credit no business will touch one of these slobs. It is appalling what Obama's rethoric and policys are doing to the people of this country. Anyone who follows his nonsense is destined to a life of poverty. VOTE FOR A BETTER PRESIDENT in 2012!

I know plenty of employers who will push resume's aside if they see that applicant has been unemployed for an extended amount of time.

Ahh YESSS!

Discrimination is thriving!

ROY,

We have been over this. You attribute the entire deficit to spending, and pay no attention to the loss of revenue due to unemployment.

You spread this lie because it supports your stance that Obama only spends. Not once have you ever, EVER, admitted that loss of revenue is a driving factor in the deficit. You twist the truth to spread a lie that the entire deficit is a result of spending.

I have analyzed the actual spending that was signed by both Obama and Bush... currently Bush is still in the lead.

Roy,

Dude you are a partisan HACK!

We clearly need a third Party! The American Workers Party! Majority of us are workers but the loud squeaky wheels get all the oiling and they just happen to be the minority. Pick a wing left or right I was talking about both.

Terrible!

jollyoldsoul1.....

YourQuote......Please remember there is an executive order (below) that MANDATES all construction monies be given to UNION companies!.....EndQuote

THAT IS PATENTLY FALSE......

The executive order you cite says:

Quote.....Accordingly, it is the policy of the Federal Government to encourage executive agencies to consider requiring the use of project labor agreements in connection with large-scale construction projects in order to promote economy and efficiency in Federal procurement......EndQuote

A "project labor agreement" is NOT a labor union. It is a mechanism to protect the projects from labor disputes. To wit:

Quote.....contain guarantees against strikes, lockouts, and similar job disruptions;....EndQuote

It is false, misleading, and nefarious statements such as yours that confound our public discourse and lead those of us on the other side to lose (any remaining) confidence in your ability and/or willingness to speak truth.

Have you GOPeaParty folks completely abandoned all honor? Such (mis)behavior is disgusting.

Ian Emdee,

Have you GOPeaParty folks completely abandoned all honor?

And what exactly would the Democrat party know about honor hmmmm? Would that be the honorable Democratic Party who started the looting of Social Security (gee thanks LBJ)? Would that be the honorable Democratic Party whose members regularly refer to their Republican opposition as Nazis, while at the same time trying to claim that they are tolerant, compassionate and morally superior? Would that be the honorable Democratic Party who routinely accuses the Republicans of lying, yet routinely lie and spread falsehoods themselves?

Get over yourself. Your side is JUST as hypocritical and dishonorable as the Repubs are. Most of you on both sides of the aisle wouldn't know honor if it jumped up and bit you in the backside.

Before you start accusing the other side of lacking honor...you might want to take a good, hard look at your own side and maybe chew them out for their own dishonorable activities first.

It might make you look like less of a hypocrite.

@ Mike in SA - Gop response to presidents speech is muted

They aren't talking but I'll tell what they are thinking but really can't say.

"The President, circumstances, and our own actions have brought us to a point in which we have to decide to let the president (actually the citizens) have his jobs bill and save our political necks, or do we stick to our guns and stonewall it some fashion and save his political neck."

It's all about jobs, - jobs, jobs, jobs, who is going to create some jobs, are republicans going to pass a bill and they and Americans will have a job, or will they not pass a bill and give Obama another job in 2012. It's all about those good jobs, it always is, everybody needs a good job. Who will get the jobs?

Theotas,

I would respectfully disagree with you about the generalizations you make about those that are long termed unemployed. In my field, I know many professionally trained, registered architects who have been out of work for months and months. It is not because of their lack of skill or desire to get a job, there are just too many applicants out there. As you may know some of these people not just in my field but everywhere once they get to a certain age, they are discriminated against because a firm when they oblige to hire they would rather hire a younger person and pay them less than an experienced person.

I know everyone throws out generalizations on here. I genearlize as well sometimes. However everyone that is long termed unemployed is not a lazy, unmotivated person. They are not slackers and they are not slobs. Blame it on big business, Obama, Congress, the former President whatever, but we are going through horrendous economic times.

A little reason or not. I expect it from a poster like you. UAW not so much.

Idaho Dragon

Would that be the honorable Democratic Party whose members regularly refer to their Republican opposition as Nazis, while at the same time trying to claim that they are tolerant, compassionate and morally superior?

Technically that would be the Republican party, and Fox News in particular, that referred to the Liberals as "Nazis". They even wrote books about it, with swastikas on the cover... remember the Glen Beck book? If you like, I can provide the link to a montage of all Fox News "Nazi" claims. It is an interesting little video, and quite entertaining.

Jessica - Im a far left leaning liberal and I support Obama, and i expected him to work from the middle of the road - and he has, which has upset the far left greatly...but whats most pathetic, is that the right cant even be honest and recognize where he's operating from - that he often compromises far too much on things we hold dear in an effort to GET SOMETHING DONE.

The right is not willing to do the same...their idea of compromise is for us to abandon everything we stand for and go with their idea's.

Jessica, I agree with you. I am a far left leaning democrat and I have often disagreed with Obama on many of his policies as being too GOP centric. Not sure if you are new here but stick around. Despite what the GOP and or what some liberals may shout, every once and a while a good conversation can be had.

This thread is getting long. Perhaps we can continue this or talk another time.

Skip in OKC - You know that no matter what you say that all 77 counties in Okla. will vote for the candidate not name 1 Term 0bama. You should really consider moving to CA or NY - you will be in the majority there - not the only liberal in Okla.

Either way - Boomer Sooner - and I live in one of the battleground states that will vote for the candidate not named 1 Term 0bama (an OU Alum)

Too bad the Dems don't nominate a Dem like Huntsman or Hillary that would give us a real choice on who to vote for!

Dear Steve, You are what you are.

BAN HIM FIRST READ.

Dear Idaho Dragqueen

Nah...and let's no lose sight of this pearl from the past.

"When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

AMERICAN HELD HOSTAGE, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012 They are our only hope to end this hostage crisis.

Newly-Independent "ROY, We have been over this. You attribute the entire deficit to spending, and pay no attention to the loss of revenue due to unemployment. Not once have you ever, EVER, admitted that loss of revenue is a driving factor in the deficit.I have analyzed the actual spending that was signed by both Obama and Bush... currently Bush is still in the lead."

I have looked at it from the perspective of both increased spending AND reduced revenues, and my analysis indicates that the increase in the Deficit was about 60% increased spending and 40% reduced revenues. I have never said that it is purely increased spending, but clearly spending is the biggest part of the problem.

As for spending under Bush vs Obama, it's silly to compare 8 years of spending under Bush with only 3 years under Obama, but if you look at AVERAGE annual spending, the results are as follows;

Average annual spending under Bush (8 years) = $2.396 Trillion per year.
Average annual spending under Obama (first 2 years) = $3.487 Trillion per year, an increase of 45.5% per year for Obama.

The increase in spending by Obama in his first year in office (2009), largely from the 'stimulus', was $535 Billion (+18%), which was by far the largest increase in spending in history - in both dollar and % terms. By contrast, the proposed spending cuts for fiscal 2012, for which the Republicans were called "Extreme and Radical" and "Terrorists", amounted to only about $20 Billion, which is a cut of only about one-half of 1% of estimated $3.7 Trillion in spending for 2012.

The President's road trip to Richmond shows he's out pitching - and economists say his proposals would work:

Economists offered mainly positive reviews of Obama's plan. Some predicted it would put hundreds of thousands of people back to work next year, mainly because a Social Security tax cut for workers would be deepened and extended to small businesses.

"Payroll tax cuts are very powerful," said Allen Sinai, chief economist of Decision Economics. "They provide a boost to direct income and, in turn, spending, which is important to growth."

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, estimated that the president's plan would boost economic growth by 2 percentage points, add 2 million jobs and reduce unemployment by a full percentage point next year compared with existing law.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44451087/ns/politics-white_house/

Yellow Dog, If you beleive sucking unemployment for 99 weeks does not scar your ability to get a job you are in serious denial. All I hear from these guys is but, but but, but but but but but but and more excuses. We need a President who can lead these people to prosperity not subsidize them to poverty. Quit encouraging these people to beleive it's someone elses responsibilty to lift them up. It's a shame that Obama's rhetoric is detroying so many peoples future. You expect better from an American President......

fiesty (post 1.44) why not ask senator reid on why he has tabled many of the bills coming out of the house? I am sure that most bills will reflect job opportunities of one type or another. I hear talk by many libs on how the senates job bills have gone nowhere, but have yet to see anyone list them and their status.

Wonder what lame brained excuse you are going to give for having obama and reid again threaten to shut down the government this fall?

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs = Spend, Spend, Spend Let's see we borrow 450B from the China to create roughly 2.5 million short terms jobs; (when the moneys gone the jobs are gone as no real jobs are created), these temp job pay on average 35-45 thousand for the year and after tax deductions the govt gets back about maybe 500M in taxes. So now it's one years later, the once unemployed are now again unemployed, with interest the govt owns another 475B so we raise the debt ceiling again, S&P and now others lower are credit rating again and we have gotten where? This is working welfare with big payouts for corrupt big business and the unions. Again another truly a magnificent smoke and mirrors plan that will reassemble a steamy pile of donkey crap when it done.

I think 'stalwart' Democrats and Republicans should take great comfort in that by having not done enough to turn the economy around by now, it is already too late. All while opposing Dems and Repubs who wanted to actually do things. Good job, crying and doing nothing on the count of both stubborn parts of each party. Like I care how much you blame each other when neither one of you was doing the job you were voted in for.

what a bunch idots you follow this yo yo no matter what he had nothing new he already spent trillions and nothing changed its all been worthless food has almost tripled heating and cooling your home tripled gas tripled unemployment highest in decades health care is mess due to his policies and you really want more from this yo yo get a clue people only we the people can fix this name one government project that is not a total mess I want government to step aside and get the hell out of my life I don't need a yo yo running my life you others can lock step with the yo yo you but quit forceing your way of life on me

ROY,

Once again, you attribute all spending to the current President... regardless of who actually signed it. You have never looked at the spending that was signed by Bush and carried over into Obama's term. Meaning that when Bush signed something, you immediately attribute that spending to Obama as soon as he took office.

I have researched the .gov spending sites, I have looked at WHO signed the majority of our spending. I have looked at the spending in place that carried over into Obama's term. To attribute ALL spending on Obama is foolish and only helps to spread your lie that Obama is spending like crazy.

Average annual spending under Bush (8 years) = $2.396 Trillion per year.
Average annual spending under Obama (first 2 years) = $3.487 Trillion per year, an increase of 45.5% per year for Obama.

Good Lord, how many times do we have to go over this. The AVERAGE of Bush takes into account the very low spending at the beginning of his term, and the extremely high spending at the end. You are twisting the math because it makes your point look good.

What was the yearly spending for the last year of Bush? (after he increased it by an insane amount). What was the annual spending of all Bush policies in his last fiscal year?

Yes UAW having an extended time on your resume does hurt your chances at employment specifically because of what I spelt out in my last post. What should be done, just cut them off and let them run through savings, lose their home until they can get a job? Live off charity at the church?

Yes unemployment increases spending, but the money they receive shores them up to get essentials and pumps that money back into the economy for rent, mortgage payments, groceries.

I will be honest to accept that every Obama policy will not work and automatically, magically create substantial employment, however the GOP believes that our problems would magically disappear if we just cut taxes and decrease regulations.

I bet you even if all your political dreams are satisfied and a R wins we will still be in a long hard slog. We are nearing the middle of a lost decade Sir, I don't believe any policies will quickly help us out. Vote for ABO or be like BlackBelt and ponder voting for Huntsman. I will vote for Obama, not for change but to merely stem the tide with his veto pen.

Poor Skip...

He wants me Banned for saying something. (not sure what) that offends him. I never called him a Name. have respected his comments and tried to get him to tell me what it is i wrote that Offended him. He is the one that has called me Names. disrespected me . It is obvious that it is his Comments that are against the TOS of this Site. Wonder if the Moderators will Act. or just allow him to call other Posters names.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Okay here's the deal - if you don't like the President's jobs bill - where is YOUR'S?

I clearly recall a certain orange tinted fella, screaming 'Where are the Jobs Mr. President' non stop last fall, and yet 9 1/2 months into their term have not produces a single job creation bill...

I would LOVE to hear some ideas out of the tea baggers other then just say NO or tax cuts!

Anyone???

Not a problem...althought it's not tea bagger, it's the Tea Party. And the idea's aren't from them, they are from the republican candidates.

Did you miss Romney's plan? Protect US patent rights, put some pressure on China to play fair, drill for oil here and give tax cuts to companies that hire in the United States.

Obama's "jobs" plan is another stimulus...although he avoided the negativity of the word, it has all the same things the original, failed stimulus had. The original stimulus was hurried through and the money went to shoring up state and local government's pay raises and a large portion went to China.

"Pass this now" is irresponsible and has led to the wasted stimulus, to the bank bailout and fraud (how many companies that got bailed out, used bailout money to contribute to campaigns?), and Obamacare. This "rushing to do anything" without specifics has repeatedly gotten us into trouble.

If Obama was serious about any kind of Change, he would lay this out in multiple, separate bills, and let each stand on it's own merit. For decades rolling too much up into one bill has gotten us into trouble by trying to do too much at one time.

Obama (and Romney's) jobs plans are NOT going to fix the economy immediately...so why this rush? "Pass it now so we can see what porkulus is loaded into it later" again?

Yellowdog,

Your right that was a generalization, thanks for calling me on it.

I work at a large Medical Facility in the administrative office, and I see resumes on a daily basis. Fair or not, its an unwritten policy, and because of that, the majority of them are not seen.

Newly Independent,

I see you're another ideologue who only chooses to look at one side. There have been multiple Democrats in Congress who have verbally referred to Republicans and conservatives as Nazis. Maxine Waters has done it, not long after Obama's speech in Arizona about "toning down the rhetoric" as a matter of fact.

Keep on thinking only one side does it though. Don't let reality get in the way.

skip nicholson,

Thanks for proving my point regarding your immaturity. Mocking my nick only makes you look even more immature than your earlier posts did.

As for the "hostage crisis", feel free to keep on being ignorant and part of the problem. That is all ideologues like you are good for anyway.

Did you miss Romney's plan?

Exactly what office does Willard currently hold?

Senator? Congressman? President?

We don't have 14 months to wait for the same tired talking points...

PS: I specifically asked what the current Congress's plan is?

After all they promised to put America back to work if they were elected in 2010!

Do try to focus will ya?

Idaho,

I never said only one side does it. But you pointed ONLY to Democrats, so I corrected you. I have seen more GOP books calling Liberals Nazis than anything written by Democrats... but both sides have made the claim. Remember the Obama as Hitler posters?

I see you're another ideologue who only chooses to look at one side.

Seems you are exactly what you have accused me of. You are nothing more than an ideologue, worshiping Fox News and blindly believing that your side does no wrong. Keep pointing fingers at the other side while refusing the look in the mirror.

Cantor sounds a little butthurt. Maybe congress is starting to feel a little picked on. As the American people, we need them to feel like they're getting hit with sledge hammers. The poll numbers already show than 9 in 10 Americans want to kick some member or other in the nuts. Now is as good a time as any to start taking our frustration to congress.

You seem to have forgotten that bush was depicted as hitler long before obama ever was. Shut up. Obama was as big a finger pointing joke last night as he ever was. Anyone that thinks he was "fiery" is dilusional and brainwashed. He was lame, lost and certainly not in control of anything, the very essence of his presidency.

NewlyIndependent

Was there a quiet respect for the fact that innocent lives were a horrible tragedy in an effort to rid the world of killers? NO. Was there a somber tone over the fact that murder is wrong, yet it can sometimes be necessary? NO. There was an uproar... a cheer for blood. No quiet respect for the dead. No contemplation for the fact that we used murder (a sin) as justice, and innocent men died. No one was humble or sad. There was excitement and praise

I have no idea what you are talking about?? THe death penalty is championed by christians??? Some christians are for it some are aginst it, I have never seen excitement and praise. Although the Catholic church is against the death penalty there is nothing in the bible that says sentencing a man to death is a "sin". Murder is a sin, but there is a difference between killing and murder. In fact much of the old testmant is filled with laws killing those who don't follow gods rules. No one wants innocent men killed and as far as I know although innocent men have been released from death row I know of not one person who has been put to death in the last 30 years who was later found to be innocent. Your opinion and storeo type of Christians is simply unfair. Even if a few fit your description the vast majority spend much of their life helping causes that feed and give medical care to the poor. So many good things are done and ignored by people and you just focus on a few and bring up some wierd random "they cheered when innocent men were murdered" crap. Who cheered? When? was this in the last decade? Are you ignoring the fact the pope is against the death penalty. You may not want to actually read the bible but you should to get a real understanding of the word of god and his son Jesus.

I am more than sick of hearing this man speak about jobs. I am ready to vomit. Has he ever really had a job? He speaks of construction. Has he ever worked with a shovel, does he even know the difference between cement and concrete?

He has never had a real job; you know hard work, six days a week, that weekly pay check.

What did he do for money as a child? His father was not there, he was raised by a single mother. How did he buy shoes and those back-to-school clothes?

Further more he has no clue to the anxiety of not being able to work. When a man has worked his entire life, every day but Sunday and finds after fifteen years with the same company that he has been laid off, it is almost enough to drive him crazy. To wake up to no job but the one of pounding the pavements for another is painful. Especially when there is little hope and milllions more want the same job.

Obama thought it was funny, I saw his laughing, when he said "I guess the shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready." To a man who wants to work there is no humor in that at all. He needs a job to feed his children, to pay his bills, to keep the roof over their heads, and on and on.

What once made America so great was that there was a time when a man could walk down the strret and get a job. If he worked hard he would advance and make more. If he worked his six days a week and he and his wife saved a few bucks every week they could in time afford a modest vacation to the beach or the mountains.

The Obama arrogance of paying $50,000 a week for their Marthas Vineyard vacation home is too much. He is either ignorant or a bad business man. I know that island. There are many from Washington who have second homes there now. They would have loved to have had him and his family borrow theirs for a week or so. There are also many three bed room places for a grand or so a week. Not good enough for him apparently. He needed to spend 50 grand. Sure, he needs a vacation, I do not deny that; but a 50K rental as opposed to 2 or 3 K what is he thinking? Even if you had the money would you drop 50 grand plus for a stay on the Vineyard? The home is usually for sleeping, unless it rains and the family sits down to a game of monopoly or cards.

Many of us had to work. Those summer jobs were essential, as many hours as possible. He never had one. Many of us saved as much of that money as we could. As young children it was spent on doing back to school shoes and clothes. I can hear it now: "Cool, we have let these pants down as far as possible, you keep growing and there is no more fabric in the leg to let down. I recall the stuff other kids would say to others at school: " why don't you have a party for your shoes and invite your pants down." These kids didn't think it was funny at all, it hurt them.

We always worked. In the summers mowing lawns, painting shed, picking strawberries, spiking tobacco, any job. There were the after school jobs too, paper boy, delivery boy, any honest work that paid.

Obama has never had the pleasure of this. He does not know the feeling of seeing a big chunk of a pay check going to FICA. Who are they taking several hours of my work? That's for your old age, the hell, I need it now, it is my money.

I have also noticed in more recent years those summer jobs kids would take at the beach are no longer for them. The owners of restaurants, hotels and such at the beach places have for years hired the kids who come from Europe for the summer to make money and perhaps see part of America. Yes, this as American kids can't get a job.

We have not lost the great American work ethic. It is learned at an early age and children today are being denied that opportunity.

No, Obama has no clue what it means to sweat; to be out there working in 100 degree weather for most of the summer. He has no clue how much a man loves being able to work hard and support his family. It is a great American feeling to do a hard day's work, come home kiss the wife and kids and the dog, play with them, listen to their day, mow the lawn, drink ice tea, sit down to the table for dinner and conversation and laughs.

This is just the surface of what this mess is about. However, it is contributing to the destruction of the family unit. As with the last depression, many parents are having to farm their children out to relatives.

The End

Have you lefties chosen to skip the MSNBC article on Fact Checking Obama' Speech this morning? Take a look at it and come back and read your messages here again. Our President has lied to us again when he stated the costs of this bill are all paid for. You will be shocked that the Associated Press article actually appeared on MSNBC. Even the liberal media is starting to see that they can't hide the fact that Obama is misleading the citizens of this country.

Theotas - I work at a large Medical Facility in the administrative office, and I see resumes on a daily basis. Fair or not, its an unwritten policy, and because of that, the majority of them are not seen.

Theotas - Thanks for the reasoned response. Not trying to suggest how to do your job, but If your firm or business is hiring, try to remember there are always circumstances to an employment gap.

Remember don't worry if you hire that guy or gal it won't help Obama's numbers but it will help that one individual out. :}

Unfunded TAX CUTS Added to The National Debt. . 2000-2006

a big Fat liars war == Unfunded

Afghanistan == Added to The National debt.

Medicare Part ( D ) Under Funded is a MEGA UNDER STATEMENT added to The national Debt.

1st 10 Years of IRAQ LIE Wounded Cost $1TRILLION and 40 - 60 more years at TRILLIONS + Inflation.

Vote GOP !

The GOP LIE is GREAT for PROPERTY TAX INCREASES and We The PEOPLE CUTS

The WEALTHY & Corporations are the ONLY ONES on the GOP FREE MARKET RIDE.

Keep Up the Foot Work GOP SHEEP..!

Thanks for The Trickle down TAX INCREASES and BLAME OBAMA.!

Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................................................................................

i wonder if any one but ron paul is gonna read this bill?

i wonder why msnbc isnt reporting that durning the last debate this week.durning commerical ,rick perry grabbed ron paul wrist and pointed his finger in ron pauls face

If I got to kick somebody in the nuts I would go to that town hall meeting, and I would wear my Sunday best shoes. If they want to make a few campaign bucks they could set up a camera and I would buy a picture of me kicking Cantor in the nuts. Ready Eric say CHEESE!

Sure Ian......and thats why all the people working the first stimulus in my area were ALL union and the beautiful signage stated this project is being brought to you by Barack Obama and then ALL the local Unions involved! When I pointed out to John B that we had 4 sets of asphalt curbs installed over a 6 week period in Detroit for a whopping 2.2 million dollars. HE pointed me to the Gov website where it listed all the wonderful work being done...... I Live there, I watched it! Observation is one of the skills I learned in the military (you know pay attention to whats going on around you)

LogicRequired

THe death penalty is championed by christians??? Some christians are for it some are aginst it, I have never seen excitement and praise.

Who cheered? When?

You must have missed the Republican debates. You should watch it. In fact, even the moderator was shocked and pointed it out.

Newly Independent,

I see you're another one of those types who appear to have a reading comprehension problem.

My reference to Democrats calling Republicans Nazis was in regards to Ian Emdee's comment regarding Republicans having no honor. I was merely giving example that point out that Democrats have no more honor than Republicans do...or did you happen to miss that minor detail?

As for me worshipping Fox News, that's laughable. I don't worship ANY news media. I think they're all liars and spinmasters. You're not too terribly bright are you? You appear to have no real clue when it comes to what you say.

My past posts were specifically addressing the issue of one side ignoring what their own side does. I don't support EITHER political party and have specifically said that on more than one occasion. I guess understanding that takes a higher level of intelligence than you apparently have.

Keep trying though. Maybe someday you'll actually understand how to utilize critical thinking skills.

Have you lefties chosen to skip the MSNBC article on Fact Checking Obama' Speech this morning? Take a look at it and come back and read your messages here again.

__________________________________________________________

I'm shocked!!!!!

The MSDNC article basically calls Barry a full of sh!t liar.

OUCH!!!!

The Nasty Redhead is going to be crawling up some MSDNC a$$es with fire coming out of her mouth on this one.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Draggin' in Ida Ho.

You are welcome.

And thank you for giving me another opportunity to say...

AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

Idaho,

I was merely giving example that point out that Democrats have no more honor than Republicans do

And I was doing the exact same thing to you. Of course, when given a taste of your own medicine you lash out with petty insults.

You routinely claim that you do not support either political party, yet you only lash out against Democrats. Just look at this board, you attack every liberal and call them "hypocrites" and "liars"... yet you ignore every single lie and hypocritical statement made by Republicans. And you expect anyone to believe you are not a conservative ideologue? Please... the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Ron Indiana-

As you well know, you and I agreeing on anything is about as likely as a snowstorm in the Sahara.

That said...

Your comments regarding skip in OKC are spot on.

He kinda reminds me of a homespun version of David Walker.

Arrogant, condescending, and insufferable...but, unlike the snooty David, somehow, folksy.

It's a relief to know that he offends liberal/progressives at least as much as conservatives.

I'm sure he's convinced that qualifies him as a true "independent".

Sure it does, skip.

lol

Kudos for calling him out.

Instead of knocking Barack Obama's jobs bill I challenge conservative posters here to offer something substantively better. I consider snarky remarks as "No I can not offer anything better." Offer something better or shut the f--k up.

skip nicholson,

You're welcome. I guess you have no problem looking like a child. Whatever makes you happy. And by the way, your latest attempt at mocking my nick was decidedly unoriginal. Keep trying though. You might eventually say one that indicates you have more than a 3rd grade mentality or creativity level.

Newly Independent,

You obviously fail to understand many things, as I've said before, reading comprehension being foremost among them. You also fail to understand how to make an opposing argument that is based on anything remotely resembling intelligence, logic or reason.

As for me fooling myself, I can only laugh at you for such ignorant comments. I don't like either side, as my posts have specifically stated more than once. I have made few posts on here, and the ones that I did go after, I went after for specific reasons.

I didn't comment on Ian Emdee's post because he was a liberal or a Democrat. I responded to his because he specifically brought up the subject of honor, a topic that means a great deal to me personally. I have a real issue with people that attempt to claim their opposition is dishonorable, but don't bother to acknowledge the dishonorable acts of their own side.

Neither political party has any room to talk regarding their honorable conduct. Both Democrats and Republicans alike have done many dishonorable things throughout the course of our history.

I went after skip nicholson because he's a blatant hypocrite. He was demanding another poster get banned for saying something, yet he called that poster all kinds of names and said deragatory things about them personally. Sorry, but I have nothing but contempt for people like him and will call them on it.

As for my comment towards Feisty Redhead, well I just don't like her. Period. She's one of the most hate filled people I've ever seen on these boards.

As for me never going after conservatives, LOL you've obviously never seen me go after them in regards to their moronic stance on same-sex marriage. But that's what happens when you assume things.

It only makes you look like an ....

Idaho Dragon........

Inferring from your "I know you are but what am I" adolescent rant, you seem to be admitting that the GOPeaParty has "abandoned all honor". However, this (admission) is no more commendable than a serial criminal whining about being abused as a child when caught in the (criminal) act.

You might rationalize that because some others (democrats, independents, republicans, etc., etc.) sometimes misrepresent, distort, fail to report, or otherwise disrespect the truth, that your similar behavior is warranted or excusable. It is not.

If you care to show us (individually) where we have misrepresented the truth, then do so. If you cannot, then this (rant of yours) is just yet another example of the GOPeaParty slide into dishonor.

And....BTW....does the "Dragon" in your screen name have any association with a notorious group?

Newly Independent time you learned the truth about conservative posters here. The openly disrespectful posters follow specific strategy,

TACTICS FOR EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE BLOGGING By Karl Rove Posted by Sidneyhop in Young Turks

Engage Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs. Entangle Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster

They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here. Demoralize Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately.

Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster.

It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win

Attack Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org,
the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible. Confuse Challenge the Liberal position with questions,
always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative

Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait. Contain Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints.

Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion.

Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER. Intimidate Taunt the Liberals.

If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument
then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is toprevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light.

Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage

Monitor other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up. Insult their Movement Assign as many character and moral flaws toLiberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.

Deceive Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the
effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.

It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating

Demean Always refer to the other
side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a
bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning
tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are
NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the
democrat party. Never assign them respect

Opportunity Be alert for ways to
insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list
of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent
repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will
neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become
truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't
hear it.

They can deny it all they want too, however there is a specific formula to their intentional disrespect. I refuse to respect any conservative poster. I refuse to play by their rules. I will not post an intelligent response to deliberately disrespectful ones. I decide which posts I respond too, and how I respond, within the news vine terms of service. If anyone doesn't like my attitude, put me on ignore.

Uh-oh, somebody's got his cranky-pants in a wad.

Hey, Draggin' why don't you put on your big-boy pats and be a part of the solution instead of being a part of the problem, hun?

America Held Hostage, day 252

Obama/Biden 2012

Ian Emdee,

Don't talk to me about honor, because you obviously have none of your own. You try to use disingenous arguments to make it sound as if my comments were somehow trying to defend Republicans or conservatives, when they obviously were not.

I have stated repeatedly that both sides have done many dishonorable things. I have repeatedly stated that I don't support either side (something you quite obviously cannot claim). I have made my own views on the subject very clear.

You, on the other hand, obviously cannot say that. Your comments have proven you to be very much on one side of the political aisle, and you are also obviously incapable of acknowledging your own political party's various misdeeds, truth stretching and other dishonorable actions and conduct.

As you can't argue with the examples I gave earlier of Democratic dishonorable actions, I see no point in attempting to discuss this issue with you further. You're either ideologically incapable of viewing your own side's dishonorable conduct objectively...or you're just intellectually incapable period.

As for your attempted slight on my nick, keep working at it. You might one day actually have an insult that merits more than a yawn. Keep trying parrot.

skip nicholson,

I see you're still attempting to come up with something intelligent to say. Hmmmmm, failed again. Keep trying. I have hope that you'll one day grow up and be an adult...maybe.

As for being part of the problem and not the solution, you have me beat by a long way on being part of the problem. Ah well, that's the problem with hypocrites. They rarely realize their own hypocrisy.

Poor pathetic child.

want some tea with that whine? how about jobs? you can only funnel money to the rich for so long before people get tired of it. No matter how much you cry and pout the people of this great country need jobs. We need compromise, real work by politicians and we need jobs. That is what the GOP ran on, and the last thing on their mind since they got in.

Now for all of these posts that make the same complaints the same people made yesterday, who didn't even bother to listen and already knew what they would whine about, it is you who are keeping us in this mess. We all want our world to be better for our children and our children's kids. Why not help out? For once think of someone other than yourself, we didn't gain independance as one person but as a community. Let's get it together people!

Skip, was that aimed at me? I am voting democratic in 2012.

jollyoldsoul1......

Yes, some of us who served in the military learned observational skills. And, some of us learned not to confuse anecdotal "evidence" with fact. But, that is entirely too charitable. It is quite obvious your serial posting of patently false claims was premeditated and intentional. You know it is false and no amount of greasy linguistic contortions can change that fact.

Those who dishonor this country in such a way are much like flies at a picnic. They cannot be fully ignored but only deserve an occasional swat.

Speak the truth henceforth.

Wade, our President lied to us in his spech yesterday. None of the ideas he had in his speech were his and if you don't know that, you should learn how the system works. Read the fact checking article on President Obama's speech here on MSNBC and then tell us why we should be bowing down to this liberal liar. There are some parts of his bill that might be workable to both parties, but the normal liberal "buy us out of the problem with money we don't have" solutions should be scrutinized by everyone. The first stimulus was pretty much a waste of our tax dollars when you look at the results. And the results keep getting worse weekly. Look at that solar panel company that Obama gave more than $500mil to that filed for bankruptcy and laid off over a thousand workers this week. Obama went their and gave one of his rah, rah speeches pointing to that company as a success story and confirmation that his stimulus was working. Just a couple of days ago, the FBI raided the company's office. Every week, our President is being exposed as a liar at worst, or as a frontman to his lying handlers who are driving this nation into a hole. The standard liberal solution is to spend money we don't have to try and make temporary, very short termed improvements that when looked at later in history turn out to be just more failed liberal policy that puts a bigger debt burden on our future generations. Instead of just haling your hero, learn the real impacts of his policies.

Idaho Dragon.....

A brief perusal of your comment history (which begins a month prior to the last presidential election) reveals your personal bent. You are an anarchist. But, you aren't a particularly dangerous one since you have feverishly advertised that fact to anyone (and every government agency) who cares to take notice.

So what? You don't have a party affiliation and you are not likely to make any sort of difference alone. Perhaps that is why you spend an inordinate amount of time shouting insults at virtually everyone.

Oh...and anyone (even yourself) who doubts this should take a look at the comment history found here->Idaho Dragon. It amounts to a cacophony of insults without any meaningful content. Deny it if you care to. It's little wonder you don't care to be talked to about "honor".

Most everyone seems to have forgotten that this economic downturn (so-to-speak) has been "4 terms" in the making. The "Right", and the "Left" need to (Not Try) meet in the middle. (If there is one) Why can't it ever be "What's best for the people of The United States of America, across the board?" Put your self-centered, holier than thou, egotesticle(hehe), bull@!$%#e aside, and fix this freaking mess????? What the hell is it going to take for all these testosteroneless(hehe) egomaniacs to come together and do what's right for the American people? All this freaking debating, arguing, and downright stubbornness is going to be the icing on the rotten messed up cake. Who the hell wants a slice of that? Not I, nor most I'd imagine!

I'm a veteran, a (once) proud American, and I am embarrassed as hell to be an American right now with all the nonsense going on in our government. and what's TF up with China? Are you freaking kidding me? And the three other countries ahead of us in our # 5 position in the economic world. WTF????

All of you fighting here are just like those in D.C.!!! Trying to shove your opinions and views down each others throats and they are doing just exactly what for this country? If everyone just wants to fight, why not move south of the border and fight with the rest of the greedy, bloodthirsty, power hungry, f$@ked up cartels!! Or better yet, why dont we all turn this agression twards the borders and beyond? As a soldier, that's where I'd want to fight right now. Just a bit closer to home for a change, to maybe even make a change for the better for once! All the wasted time in Washington, reading the post's on these forums, and those like them, it's like everybody's at each others throats everywhere. I don't get it. We used to come together as a Nation from time to time, and it didn't take a 9/11 to do it either. Maybe it is near the end, huh? If so, might as well make the best of it don't you think? Well..............????? Think about it...........................................???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Peace out Peop's,

George F. King Jr.

Ian Emdee,

So, because I don't have much use for either political party, that makes me an anarchist? Wow, you really are mentally incompetent aren't you? I've never advocated for the abolishment of government. Not once in ANY post have I advocated for that. If you honestly think I'm an anarchist, you're an idiot. I can't put it any plainer than that.

As for my comment history, I'll stand by it. Since you can't see the comments I was responding to, your viewpoint is only based on half of the information, so take that for what it's worth. I've written plenty of meaningful content.

Just because you don't happen to agree with it doesn't automatically make it so. You might want to remember that.

As for honor, I'll stake my honor up against an ignorant fool like you any day of the week. At least I can honestly and willingly call BOTH sides of the political argument to the carpet for their misdeeds. I have yet to see you do the same.

Come back when you can make an intelligent argument. Otherwise don't waste my time.

liveandletlive, sorry sir, but if we want this country to improve instead of continue it's downward spiral, the first thing we need to do is send Obama back to Chicago. The socialist policies being thrust upon us only take us further and further from the ideals this nation was founded on. Veterans like myself are not looking for a government that gives us everything we need and tells us how and where we spend our money. Here in Hawaii, we left the plantation mindset behind us long ago. We no longer have to get confirmation from the plantation doctor when we're sick and cannot go to work or have to purchase our food from the plantation store and the plantations no longer deduct the cost of what we must buy from them to exist from our paychecks. Personal responsibility and constitutional rights are seem only to be traits of conservatives these days. Those traits are offensive to those that have succumbed to the socialist mindset that big government must take care of us and we don't care who they take or borrow money from in the name of future generations to do it.

Lanikai, show me where Obama said everything in his speech was thought up by him. He did not name people individually, he said the ideas he put into the bill were created by others and he even credited the GOP when it was merited. Obama did not lie. By claiming he lied rather then answering my question you have no better alternative on creating jobs. That being said you tried to distract me with TEA party talking points. You must think I am too stupid to see right through you.

Newly-Independent "ROY, Once again, you attribute all spending to the current President... regardless of who actually signed it. You have never looked at the spending that was signed by Bush and carried over into Obama's term.... What was the annual spending of all Bush policies in his last fiscal year?"

First of all, Bush never 'signed' any Budget for 2009 because the Democratic Congress never gave him a Budget to sign - They waited for Obama to take office, and only then did they pass a Budget, which Obama signed in March of 2009. When do you want Obama to be responsible for his actions - when he leaves office?

As for the 'spending of Bush's policies', the government does not provide reliable figures for that, and I'm not going to waste my time on a meaningless pursuit, but I would remind you that Bush could not spend a single penny in his last 2 years that was not approved by the Democratic controlled Congress - that's the way it works. If you want to blame someone for spending, look at Congress, since only Congress can pass a spending Budget each year. If you want to see the economic results by CONGRESS over the last 30 years, I will make that information available in my next post - to avoid too lengthy a post.

Newly-Independent "ROY, Once again, you attribute all spending to the current President... regardless of who actually signed it. You have never looked at the spending that was signed by Bush and carried over into Obama's term.... What was the annual spending of all Bush policies in his last fiscal year?"

First of all, Bush never 'signed' any Budget for 2009 because the Democratic Congress never gave him a Budget to sign - They waited for Obama to take office, and only then did they pass a Budget, which Obama signed in March of 2009. When do you want Obama to be responsible for his actions - when he leaves office?

As for the 'spending of Bush's policies', the government does not provide reliable figures for that, and I'm not going to waste my time on a meaningless pursuit, but I would remind you that Bush could not spend a single penny in his last 2 years that was not approved by the Democratic controlled Congress - that's the way it works. If you want to blame someone for spending, look at Congress, since only Congress can pass a spending Budget each year. If you want to see the economic results by CONGRESS over the last 30 years, I will make that information available in my next post - to avoid too lengthy a post.

Who's better at running Congress?

Since it's Congress that sets the spending Budgets, sets the Deficits, and passes legislation affecting jobs and the economy (The President cannot spend one penny that has not been authorized by Congress), let's look at the record of Congresses over the last 30 years (Through 2010);

JOBS (39,761,000 Net New Jobs)

Jobs created when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = 8,100,000 net new jobs.
Jobs created when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = 21,773,000 net new jobs.
Jobs created when Congress was split (8 years) = 9,888,000 net new jobs.

DEFICITS (a) ($7.304 Trillion)

Total Deficits when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $5.022 Trillion.
Total Deficits when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $1.219 Trillion.
Total Deficits when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.063 Trillion.

NATIONAL DEBT ($12.878 Trillion = 93.4% of all the Debt in our History)

Total New Debt when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $7.859 Trillion.
Total New Debt when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $3.238 Trillion.
Total New Debt when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.781 Trillion.

ECONOMIC GROWTH ($11.873 Trillion of GDP growth)

Total Growth (GDP) when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $3.887 Trillion.
Total Growth (GDP) when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $5.623 Trillion.
Total Growth (GDP) when Congress was split (8 years) = $2.363 Trillion.

Draw your own conclusions, but these are undisputed facts from government sources.

(a) Deficits do not equal the increase in the Debt because of the government's 'funny accounting'.

Sources - Democrats controlled Congress from 1987 – 1994, and from 2007 – 2010. Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 – 2000, and from 2003 – 2006. There was a split Congress from 1980 – 1986 and for 2001 & 2002. Links to government data sites are as follows;

Jobs - http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1.pdf

Deficits - http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals See Table 1.1

National Debt - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

Sorry for the double post above - having internet connectivity issues

Wade, your liberal blinders protect you from what you are afraid may make you look foolish. Obama did lie and just for you, because I assume by your messages that you are incapable of reading on your own anything that may prove you are blind to the truth, Ive supplied a link below to the article from MSNBC this morning that clearly states your hero is a liar at worst, or a man being used and sacrificed by others. And for your info, I don't even know a Tea Party member myself. We can thank them though for standing up to this fraud of a President. Look at this if you dare:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44449392/ns/politics-white_house/

Lanikai you proved nothing with your post except that you are a habitual liar. You are probably lying right now when when you say you are not in the TEA party. I watched the entire speech live. Get a transcript of of his speech and SHOW me where he lied. Do that or anything you say will be mindless static. I'm not looking at someone elses evaluation of speech when I saw heard him deliver the speech on T.V. I repeat show me where he lied that's the only question I want answered from you. Cut and paste the lie from his text of the speech or you are wasting key strokes and my time. I'm not in anything you have to say unless you back it up with an excerpt from the speech itself.

I did open the article you posted. There are doubts as to his ability to pay for this without additional funding but nowhere in that article was he called a liar. Now prove he is a liar, and stop insulting me in the process. Insults only cause me to dig in deeper.

I would like to do worse then kick Eric Cantor Forrest, but he is not worth time in a federal pen.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, ILRestored

"The President’s speech last night was nothing short of brilliant!"

Samo samo by MSNBC's chosen one.

Obama is about as brilliant as a welfare baby maker. His best idea is to increase the deficit and expect others to pay for it long after he is gone. Such wisdom. And fools still follow him. Oh wait, they are not fools, They are the welfare crowd benefiting from the idiot in chief. They live for his stupidity to reign to destroy America. Not one of his beneficiaries are blind to his game and they support him to support their own laziness.

Gasoline pieces have an incredible effect on inflation, because it is added every step of the way getting goods to market. So, for every dollar- the maximum being $1500-going into families' income, their costs- of goods and gas- have risen by more than three times that amount.

For once NJ said something that's factually correct...which is why Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for protecting oil speculators from responsible regulation.

That would make reason 1,000,006 why Conservatives are responsible for our lousy economy. The fiscal policies of the GOPTP are a total, absolute failure.

Yellow - you took my post wrong. I will be voting for the GOP candidate to get rid of 1 Term 0bama. I merely suggested that the Democrats would be better off nominating someone like Huntsman who who is a RINO/DINO or Hillary. That way the American people would have a choice other than having to vote for the candidate not named 1 Term 0bama!

rick: Really? You think the "bank's aren't interested in America grow, they just want to protect the trillions they have in their vaults?" I have no clue what your business is, but you are clearly putting the blame in the wrong place. You also don't have a clue about how banks operate. In case you aren't aware of it, banks actually like to make loans because that's how they make the bulk of their money.

A little history: Traditionally, banks required borrowers to be "credit worthy." For mortgages, they would often require a 20% down payment and the property needed to be in a place taht was considered safe for maintaining its value. The Carter administration pushed, and the dems passed teh Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 for the purpose of encouraging loans to middle and low income families. During the Clinton years, this was greatly expanded. To encourage these riskier loans, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would guarantee and/or buy these loans. Thus, the no-down or low-down payment loans became available. In addition to this, the Fed came down on banks to "diversify" their portfolios. To encourage these loans, the Fed would charge higher interest rates to banks that didn't have sufficiently diverse portfolios. In other words, without the government intervention, the banks would not have made all these troubled, "sub-prime" loans in the first place.

Bush warned early on in his administration of the looming catastrophe building if things weren't changed. The dems and RINOs wouldn't hear of it. So, that led to the 2008 "crisis. Of course, the libs blamed the banks for all of the problems. Naturally, credit "dried up." Not completely, but certainly for those who didn't have excellent credit. Banks naturally took a risk averse attitude. The sad thing is that the libs still haven't learned. It was less than a month after the "crisis" that Barney Frank started railing against banks for not making loans to people with less than excellent credit. Anyway, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if a bank wants to stay in business, they need to be extra careful who they lend to.

Now, money is available for those with excellent credit and with a sound project. You appear to want to have the government tell the banks that they have to lend money to you. That's not their job. So, even if the non-bill is passed, there is no guarantee that you will receive any of the money. But, the good news for you is that there is lots of money available for your expansion. You may have heard of "venture capital." There are investors and companies out there who are looking for start-up companies, or even established companies looking to expand. All you need to do is approach some of these people and sell them your expansion idea. If you convince them that it is economically feasible and there is an excellent chance to receive a pretty darn good profit on their investment, then you can proceed with your investment. Of course, they will want a share of the company, but that is what it takes. Someone else willing to share the risks and rewards. You don't need the government, or even the banks.

But, I will give you credit, you are the only one who has even made an attempt to explain how this thing might create jobs. But, as in all things, just because you think something is a good idea, it doesn't mean everyone else will, or that anyone else will. Most businesses fail within the first 1-3 years. That's why it is usually required that people put their own money where their mouths are.

Ah, now we're going to goose the Conservative lie that CRA or Fannie and Freddie caused the financial collapse with a further lie that President Bush warned us of oncoming disaster. Nonsense, he was actively encouraging Americans to spend in the midst of a recession, spend as their incomes dropped, even implying the terrorists would win if we stopped spending. http://www.cnbc.com/id/31187744/

I realize it's difficult for Conservatives to admit that their Lassaiz-Faire, Supply Side theories and deregulatory fetish caused the largest AND second largest crashes in American history, but that's how it is;

Initially, those who argued that government had caused the problems in the housing market focused on the Community Reinvestment Act, which required banks to make loans in lower-income neighbourhoods. The problem with that story was that the CRA was passed in 1977. It's true that the Clinton Administration began pushing banks to meet higher CRA targets in 1995, and the Bush administration continued those policies. But the CRA only covered banks. By the late 1990s, when the housing bubble got started, most mortgages didn't come from banks; they came from independent mortgage lenders not covered by the CRA. Those independent lenders were making the great majority of the subprime loans. In fact, subprime lending was more frequent outside the CRA areas than inside them: "While banks did engage in subprime lending in their [CRA] assessment areas, they did so at a lower rate than the market in general and accounted for only a small fraction of subprime loans to lower-income borrowers and lower-income neighborhoods. The data suggest that far from being forced into risky corners of the market, the institutions under the scrutiny of the CRA were crowded out by unregulated lenders." Fundamentally, if the CRA were forcing banks to lend to people they considered unprofitable, one would have expected to hear bankers complaining about it. I have never seen a single quote from a mortgage issuer in the years 2002-2005 complaining that subprime lending was unprofitable, that it was driving up rates on prime mortgages, or that they would rather get out of that sector. Rather the opposite.

Others focused not on the CRA story, but on the role played by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in promoting homeownership. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the "GSE"s, were created to lower the risk of originating home mortgages by buying them up, and in the 1980s they began bundling them into residential-mortgage-backed securities (RMBSs). But by the 2000s there were plenty of other institutions securitising home mortgages, and those private securitisers (Countrywide, Washington Mutual, etc) played the leading role in buying up subprime mortgages. The volume of subprime RMBSs issued by private lenders went from about $20 billion in 1995 to over $450 billion in 2005. "For the subprime market, sea change came with the growth in so-called private-label RMBSs issued by brokerage firms, banks and even homebuilders, rather than by the GSEs," said a San Francisco Federal Reserve report in 2007, before the issue was politicised. Fannie and Freddie began their large-scale purchases of subprime loans in 2004-5 as a response to a dramatic loss of market share to private institutions. When the Washington Post did its first big article on the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, in September, 2008, its retelling of the scandals at the companies in the 1990s and early 2000s mentioned subprime loans only as an afterthought. The companies did, indeed, enjoy an advantage over private lenders: they could borrow at lower rates due to implicit government backing. But the scandal was that they were using that advantage to goose profits, not to buy up more subprime loans; and they'd used accounting tricks to hide those higher profits. For the GSEs, as for Lehman Brothers and others, the subprime crisis was merely "The Final Blow":

As Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were trying to recover from their accounting scandals, a new and ultimately mortal threat emerged. Yet again, the warnings went unheeded for too long. The companies had begun buying loans made to borrowers with credit problems. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had been losing market share to Wall Street banks, which were doing boomtown business packaging these riskier loans. The mortgage finance giants wanted a share of the profits.

If the CRA was largely irrelevant, and Fannie and Freddie were also-rans, it seems hard to understand how one could put government at the heart of the crisis. Mr Rajan doesn't explain what he's referring to when he speaks of a "tsunami of money directed by a US Congress, worried about growing income inequality, towards expanding low income housing". If that part of the story is to be believable, he needs to be clearer about what he means.

The evolution of this story leads me to believe that what's happening here is that many people who hold laissez-faire economic views have an extremely difficult time accepting that markets can behave in a collectively irrational and disastrous fashion without any kind of government intervention. This seems to me like a fairly non-controversial proposition. There was no government involvement required to precipitate the Dutch tulip-bulb frenzy of the 1620s, or the tech-stock boom of the 1990s. Ponzi schemes require no implied government guarantee. Yet a lot of people seem to be seeking for a way to claim that government distortion of the real-estate market played a key role in this crisis, even though the evidence shows that what changed was not government, but financial markets. Meanwhile, the government intervention that everyone agrees played a major role, the Fed's decision to keep interest rates unusually low through 2005, doesn't seem to be the focus of the argument that the government is responsible for the crisis.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/08/inequality_and_crash_1

Well, I see a poll on the front page, asking how the address should be rated. You know- A, B C, D F….like a report card.

We will know how well it went, by the amount of ridicule and miss-direct attempts that follow by the likes of JAS1, NoJo, Joe Albany, ME FIRST Fairfax, Spanker, and many, many more.

OK, kids- let ‘er rip. We await your infallible barometers this morning.

Unless they have something substantial to discuss ignore them. Don't give them the attention they seek. Read their posts laugh at them and move on to the next post.

She can't be any different than the Verizon worker I heard a couple weeks ago, returning from their strike, say that the earthquake was "God showing he don't like corporate greed."

"She can't be any different than the Verizon worker I heard a couple weeks ago, returning from their strike, say that the earthquake was "God showing he don't like corporate greed.""

is the Verizon worker asking us to elect him/her President of the United States of America??

How about the lightening storm over the Capitol building during President Obama's speech? I think it was God adding to the drama.

Da Noid

Quick question...

Michele Bachmann said that the earthquake in Virginia and Hurricane Irene were messages from God. What does she think about the wildfires in Texas and what is the message there?

Da Noid, I believe she is waiting to submit.

Slick Rick has the wild fires covered in his big revival in early August..........but wait, his prayers haven't been answered yet.......Texas is still burning....God said to Rick 'who are you'?

Paint Creek, Texas, Slick Ricks childhood home way out in West Texas: small wooden frame rented structure by the tenent farmers without indoor plumbing!.....His childhood really sets up the frame for what he is now.......GREEDY!

Duties of President of the United States of America

1. Sign the legislation; the bill then becomes law.
2. Veto the legislation and return it to Congress, expressing any objections; the bill does not become law, unless each house of Congress votes to override the veto by a two-thirds vote.
3. Take no action. In this instance, the president neither signs nor vetoes the legislation. After 10 days, not counting Sundays, two possible outcomes emerge:
   • If Congress is still convened, the bill becomes law.
   • If Congress has adjourned, thus preventing the return of the legislation, the bill does not become law. This latter outcome is known as the pocket veto.

Duties Of Congress

Writing and passing federal laws (their primary job).
Regulating interstate commerce, communication and transportation.
Regulating the US Mint and the money supply.
Creating appellate and lower courts.
Declaring war on foreign countries.

Like I said we need a vote of Confidence of Congress!

Let's see the some balanced-approach media headlines, such as:

When will Republican leaders stop obstructing the recovery of our nation?

DO REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS CARE ABOUT OUR NATION?

When will Republicans agree to create jobs? One job?

Republican Governors like to cut jobs, for example 600,000 public employee jobs, and shift the cash to their benefactors.

She was joking, that is why the audience laughed, and is why she had a big smile on her face. Do you simple people not get a joke? Did you even hear her say this, or did you read about it on some left wing idiot site. Anyone who heard her knows she was making a joke, get over it.

Except LogicRequired: Bachmann wasn't joking. Those of us in MN, who have been stuck reading about her for lo these many years, know that is exactly how she thinks, and what her religious views are. She went to freaking Oral Roberts, where do you think she gets this stuff?

I agree with you Logic-she is a joke.

"LogicReguired"

Thanks for pointing that out to us. We see her entire candidacy as a joke, so the nuance of her humor is essentially lost on us. Thanks for clearing that up.

Care to elaborate on her position regarding Texas? More laughter from the teanut gallery about other regional despair and human tragedy?

Boy, howdy, them's some good laughs!

Bachmann is the joke. I thought it was funny too that she said God wants the politicians to listen to the people as she ignores the people's wishes.

She is just another republican that wants to kill social security(76% want to keep social security), she refuses to raise taxes on the richest (80% want to raise taxes on the richest).

Bachmann also claims to know how to turn our country around in 90 days. Shouldn't she be writing some bills or something, after all she is already on the payroll. She is promising jobs again if elected president, but the republican house has done nothing so far after promising jobs the last election.

Where is your jobs bill, Bachmann?

Come on and show us that you are more than a joke.

I don't give a crap about Bachmann, or what you kool aid drinkers think of her, the fact is she was joking or talking in jest, however you want to look at it. You may think it was stupid, incentive, or whatever and that is fine, my point isn't to defend what she said only to point out she wasn't really serious. She has little to no chance of getting the nomination so talking about her is really boring for me. I don't care for her but not because of some silly thing she said in a speech, I just don't really like her. If I judged every candidate on every word that came out of their mouth then Obama who said there was 57 states would look pretty foolish himself. I don't get into the got you game when it comes to small petty stuff like this, but feel free to have fun with it, just don't look to much like a fool when your comments don't make sense because you didn't actually hear her speak.

The best indicator of the nation's reaction to Obama's new stimulus proposal would be the stock market....... down over 300 points! That's a no confidence vote libbies!

It's unreasonable to think the country will fall for another trick from barry! After all his first job stimulus bill had no effect whatsoever and the lengthy debt/deficit debate was a pretty clear mandate for him to reduce his spending spree.... what is it with libtards that they think spending money is the answer to everything? It's that attitude that put us here.

Make no mistake, any promises from the administration that this current 'stimulus' is paid for, is merely another liberal lie!

The GOP will reject anything President Obama puts on the table. This is just a different approach (they learned their lesson well). They will at wait to see the bill, then get what they want out of it for the rich and convince the public that what will help middle class, just isn't good for the country.

Demanding 6 times last night for "YOU" to pass this bill "now" brings back the foolish pelosi saying "you don't need to read it, just pass it, it's good" (paraphrased).

Seems that obama lacks the ability to sell anyone on the goodness of anything he seems to want to force down the throats of the populace "in a hurry".

I sure do hope that obama keeps on demanding action this day up untill election day 2012. It would be fitting for the populace to see just how unfit of a leader he would become if re-elected. With no concern about being re-elected in 2016, will his ego have any bounds?

The following quote made by cicero so long ago seems to reflect directly on obamas lack of leadership in being a uniter...

don't worry american, we have republicans in the congress who will protect us from obama ramming jobs down our throat. They protected us from healthcare, environmental policies, taxes for the rich, infrastructure and all out socialism.

I'm sure obama will continue to try to get some action from the do nothing gop but I'm sure they will hold stong and make sure not one American gets a job on their watch. No matter how much obama demands that they do their job, or something... anything.

Byl, it will get increasingly unconfortable for the GOP in congress to do nothing, as the President shows a spotlight on their unwillingness to do anything constructive. Obama being passive is a thing of the past.

The Republicans have done things and attempted to do more. That is just a democratic "talking" point. Check Harry Reid's desk.... Obama has always been demanding, just for the wrong things. Check the economic numbers.

" GOP T-NUTS-When Pigs Fly "

Well both sides are Nuts. But that's Politics for everyone.

Whenever one party is in the White House, the other will do what they can to shoot down the bills, vice versa.

Reminds me of the movie Patton. General Montgomery and General Patton were good at what they did, but they both wanted "ALL" the glory. Exactly the same way with the DemoKKKrats and RepubliKKKans.

"We the Sheeple of the United States"

Thank you, Mr. President for the GREAT speech and the GREAT job you are doing.

____________________________________

Oh, that must be why his job approval poll numbers suck and the vast majority of the American people say the country is on the wrong track.

Lefty liberal delusion is FUNNY:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, this "speech", campaign speech, of Obama's, what a flop. Just another waste of time, this time in front of Congress. I doubt the Senate Democrats up for election were very much impressed. They really don't want to go on the record for even more deficit spending, because that's exactly how Obama intends to pay for it when he says "It's all paid for".

Can't blame Obama for trying, he really didn't have much of a choice, but this is the same old rehash of his 2009 so called "jobs bill".

Obama has gone down in flames.

JoAnnaSmith1

More deficit spending????? Reality eludes you.

No, Albany Joe, what is funny is you and Smiff who offer nothing of substance just a lot of hahahahahaha and regurgitated nonsense but that's what freedom of speech allows.

Job1, can you provide some data, specifics and details about the economy that indicate Obama is doing a great job? Also provide a reference link for us to see all the great "plans" submitted from Obama in writing. Even the CBO has stated it is impossible to score all his verbal claims.

Check the polls while you are at it. Voters are seeing through this all "talk" President.

Job1, can you provide some data, specifics and details about the economy that indicate Obama is doing a great job?

Now that's priceless - Tony, WHO never provides ANYTHING to back up his BS, demanding someone else to! LMAO!

Hint: Practice what you preach for a change - people might take you a tad more serious...

Tony, can you provide some data, specifics and details about the economy that indicate any of the Republican Presidential candidates could have done any better?

Hi Feisty,

Tony has never been the bright one. Oh well, I forgot to place Tony on the changing the channel ignore. Bye

PEN: More deficit spending????? Reality eludes you.

Please, by all means, explain where the money is coming from to pay for it.

That is priceless!

Check the economic data in this country, it is quite easy to find. Check the unemployment numbers, also easy to find. Who posts the BS? You need to look in the mirror. What data on jobs and the economy would you like me to post or point you to?

Not suprised by the reaction or the exaggerations, or the cowardly "ignore". I understand liberals have a difficult time supporting their positions and usually resort to name calling. When it comes to Obama's record, it is impossible to support with data, specifics or details. All of which point to a failed presidency.

W bush, the hypothetical is really a stretch to support Obama's failures. But, Obama will use this same tactic, he can't run on his record, now can he?

Feisty, check my post 1.38 and tell me what is BS.

Duties of President of the United States of America

1. Sign the legislation; the bill then becomes law.
2. Veto the legislation and return it to Congress, expressing any objections; the bill does not become law, unless each house of Congress votes to override the veto by a two-thirds vote.
3. Take no action. In this instance, the president neither signs nor vetoes the legislation. After 10 days, not counting Sundays, two possible outcomes emerge:
   • If Congress is still convened, the bill becomes law.
   • If Congress has adjourned, thus preventing the return of the legislation, the bill does not become law. This latter outcome is known as the pocket veto.

Duties Of Congress

Writing and passing federal laws (their primary job).
Regulating interstate commerce, communication and transportation.
Regulating the US Mint and the money supply.
Creating appellate and lower courts.
Declaring war on foreign countries.

Like I said we need a vote of Confidence of Congress!

Feisty, check my post 1.38 and tell me what is BS.

Are you talking about your opinion post?

The only thing you got right was 32 months...

Like I said.. BS...

Obama made those comments. Not my opinoin. Not BS. We don't have details on how Obama plans to pay for this new "plan". But he did say it would be over a 10 years period. No opinoin or BS here.

Now that is funny, you are not fond of opinions? LOL I have more Obama quotes if you like.

The economic data is not my opinion or BS either. The jobs numbers are somewhat BS because the real unemeployment is higher. Remember 32 months have passed. 16 more to go....

Tony - you seem to have me mixed up with someone who is willing to play your circular argument game.

I have seen how you operate and trust me, I have NO desire to waste my time in a back & forth with someone who NEVER posts a fact...

Ta Ta darlin!

Im not requesting any back up data......I just want to know how he plans on getting all this done with an executive order in place that makes any Construction monies got to UNION construction companies Only! Just as with the first stimulus, the Detroit Unions are gearing up for more contracts and in turn figuring out how much gets tossed back at the DNC and Mr. Obama. I will give you one link though!

"The I have a scheme speech has hidden agendas.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderUseofProjectLaborAgreementsforFederalConstructionProjects/

Tony C-2383666

That is priceless!

Check the economic data in this country, it is quite easy to find. Check the unemployment numbers, also easy to find. Who posts the BS? You need to look in the mirror. What data on jobs and the economy would you like me to post or point you to?

Try this.

3rd quarter 2008: GDP -3.7%

4th quarter 2008: GDP -8.9%

For year 2009: GDP +1.9%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/44447484#44447484

Synopsis: After Republican trickle-down, laissez-fair economic policy and a deregulatory nightmare allowed the financial sector to crash the entire economy, the nadir of which was a no-joke shocking MINUS 8.9% GDP free-fall.... by the end of Obama's first year in office, GDP was at least back in the black.

You're welcome.

Joe in Albany - You spend a lot of time laughing all by yourself.

Thank you Messenger for being the only person in the country to have secret inside access to the conspiracy you so graciously share with us today.

The diligence concerning "How are we going to pay for the jobs bill" misses the point. We have millions of Americans unemployed. Our government is the only element willing to get these people back to work, earning money and therefore paying taxes again (something I bet they would like to do).

If your only means of cooking breaks down and you need to spend to get it fixed or eventually starve, then spend the money and survive. Get the economy moving first - then cut spending and raise taxes.

Jolly, just curious you always talk about unions and your hometown of Detroit in the worse possible manner. You have stated that your yearly income is in the mid 6 figure level (I guess that means about a half million) and that you own homes in Florida and Texas. Why would a guy with your means stay in a place you seem to hate why not move to one of your other homes, like the one in Texas where there are virtually no unions and really be happier and more Jolly. One more thing, why would a retired veteran who makes half a million dollars a year like yourself begrudge a working man who earns a living wage, and does not depend on the government or charity for his health-care costs. It makes you sound like a greedy ole soul instead of a Jolly one.

Here is some FACTS and history for you

HOW DID REAGAN'S POLICIES AFFECT ECONOMIC GROWTH?

Despite the steep recession in 1982--brought on by tight money policies that were instituted to squeeze out the historic inflation level of the late 1970s--by 1983, the Reagan policies of reducing taxes, spending, regulation, and inflation were in place. The result was unprecedented economic growth:

• This economic boom lasted 92 months without a recession, from November 1982 to July 1990, the longest period of sustained growth during peacetime and the second-longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history. The growth in the economy lasted more than twice as long as the average period of expansions since World War II.¹⁰

• The American economy grew by about one-third in real inflation-adjusted terms. This was the equivalent of adding the entire economy of East and West Germany or two-thirds of Japan's economy to the U.S. economy.¹¹

• From 1950 to 1973, real economic growth in the U.S. economy averaged 3.6 percent per year. From 1973 to 1982, it averaged only 1.6 percent. The Reagan economic boom restored the more usual growth rate as the economy averaged 3.5 percent in real growth from the beginning of 1983 to the end of 1990.¹²
  

Reagan faced a similar situation as Obama and was able to get America back on track. Democrats like to say his tax cuts created deficits but if you really look at it the Government revenues went up and brought in record amount of money at the time, unfortunatly the spending from congress exceeded the extra revenue. Obama has no excuses, others were able to turn horrible economies around and he hasn't, it's that simple.

Joe in Albany - You spend a lot of time laughing all by yourself.

That's not the only thing the idiot from Albany does all by himself... ;o)

Joe in Albany - You spend a lot of time laughing all by yourself.

That's not the only thing the idiot from Albany does all by himself... ;o)

Good argument guys, why don't through in some I'm rubber your glue lines in there to really show him.

jollyoldsoul:

Here's the definition in the law: "(5) The term "labor organization" means any organization of any kind, or any agency or employee representation committee or plan, in which employees participate and which exists for the purpose, in whole or in part, of dealing with employers concerning grievances, labor disputes, wages, rates of pay, hours of employment, or conditions of work."

Ergo, the "labor organization" need not be a union like the teamster, steamfitters, etc. It says "labor organization", not "labor union". Whether you like it or not, there is a difference. Regardless, IF that money goes to union labor, we have workers who are back on the job, and we have infrastructure repair that is desperately needed.

Furthermore, with respect to your empty complaint, the federal government is specifically charged with the responsibility for the nation's defense. It would be singularly dangerous to allow defense-oriented construction - and other vital projects - to be subjected to strikes and/or work stoppage(s). Such actions are SPECIFICALLY prohibited in the Executive Order you cited.

Finally, whether money that is released for infrastructure repair on non-federal projects, we have no idea how that will be treated. That's the beauty of negotiation. You do understand compromise and negotiation, don't you?

Joe in Albany - You spend a lot of time laughing all by yourself.

The rest of us spend a lot of time laughing at JnA.

Rorschach:

There are other data and information that should accompany your statistics. At the turn of the century when President Bush was taking office, the Congressional Budget Office had said that the federal debt would be at zero dollars around 2010. That's NOT the budget deficit. That's the ENTIRE federal debt.

Additionally, you may note that a large number of posters love to point out that a number of employment statistics have been revised downward during the Obama administration, which were clearly unfavorable for the President.

So it was with Mr. Bush's 3rd and 4th quarter numbers you cited in your post. When GDP numbers were originally released they were not nearly as horrible as the hair-on-fire numbers we now know to be accurate.

It is absolutely clear, to all but the most obtuse, that the stimulus package that was prompted by the Obama team saved us from plunging into a full-blown depression. It was by any objective measure, a resounding success.

Job 1 Great speech, really. How many times did he say pass the bill now, 17. How can you pass something that has not even been drafted. Wait and see how long it takes him to get a bill to Congress. Pass the bill now sounds ominously like Pelosi's we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it.

Da Noid raise your hand if you believe them (Boehner and Cantor). I think they want to get the economy going and get people jobs, I also believe democrats do too, they just believe in a different way of doing it and that is what makes this country great.

Da Noid Raise your hand if you believe that Jeff Immelt is working on creating jobs for America.

It would be good if the republicans would cease their "republicanism" for a time. The only ism the country needs right now is Americanism. The President has laid out a plan. May the republicans come forth and join in its implementation or enhance it with their own better like creations. The people need jobs. They need homes. They need to be able to pay their way. They need to earn enough to have a little discretionary spending. They demand fairness and they long for hope. Republicans hiding behind their old, tired mantra of "cut spending, cut taxes and repeal all regulations on business isn't worth a fiddlers damn toward the relief working class Americans seek. Come on republicans! You could win some favor here. Demonstrate some political guts. Help your less fortunate fellows!

Feisty, interesting that you ignore what I posted and really can't dispute what I posted. Those were Obama's comments about deficit spending. I get it. What can you say when faced with facts? I try, and most of the time I stay respectful. Look at your posts. Teabagger this, teabagger that, and other disrespectful language in every post you make. You exaggerate and post mis-information as well misrepresent what someone who doesn't agree with you says. In other words, the liberal way....I stand up for what I believe. I don't shy away when misrepresented.

Rorschach, this 2011. Not 2008. What is your point? The economy has declined after all the Obama "stimulus" sugar highs of government spending that resulted in debt and 9.1% unemployment.

jollyoldsoul1.....

YourQuote......Please remember there is an executive order (below) that MANDATES all construction monies be given to UNION companies!.....EndQuote

THAT IS PATENTLY FALSE......

The executive order you cite says:

Quote.....Accordingly, it is the policy of the Federal Government to encourage executive agencies to consider requiring the use of project labor agreements in connection with large-scale construction projects in order to promote economy and efficiency in Federal procurement......EndQuote

A "project labor agreement" is NOT a labor union. It is a mechanism to protect the projects from labor disputes. To wit:

Quote.....contain guarantees against strikes, lockouts, and similar job disruptions;....EndQuote

It is false, misleading, and nefarious statements such as yours that confound our public discourse and lead those of us on the other side to lose (any remaining) confidence in your ability and/or willingness to speak truth.

Have you GOPeaParty folks completely abandoned all honor? Such (mis)behavior is disgusting.

Teabagger this, teabagger that, and other disrespectful language in every post you make. You exaggerate and post mis-information as well misrepresent what someone who doesn't agree with you says. In other words, the liberal way....I stand up for what I believe. I don't shy away when misrepresented.

YIPPEEE - yet another opinion piece from TonyC!

PS: You all chose the name tea bagger and I'll continue to remind you... ;o)

Joe in Albany - You spend a lot of time laughing all by yourself.

That's not the only thing the idiot from Albany does all by himself... ;o)

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Nasty Redhead: I'm shocked you would put your fantasies about me on a public blog. You're quite the exhibitionist. Do you have these same fantasies about male household pets??

LMAO@U Betty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did I miss something where this jobs program is paid? It must be in the budget right? wait for I forgot the Democrat's in the Senate haven't proposed a budget for 3 years running, but it's covered buy the debt ceiling increase because just extra money that's just lying around just to be spent, you know our money, fun money. But that increase is paid for by the US taking out loans from say China but hey I'm sure they will just forgive the debt like the liberals in our country do when we loan/give billions to other countries, we know they value us as friends so much that they protect our enemies and burn our flag. They do welcome our soldiers to save there hides but once their enemy is defeated they shoot us in the back.

New research has the unemployment numbers at or above 16%. This will go nicely with the POS proposal for more stimulus spending I mean his jobs bill. With the new numbers so high how could Congress deny him his 6th stimulus bill I mean jobs bill. Nothing has worked for this POS but what the hell, he's bankrupting this country anyway so he is getting what he wants, more poor people voting for all the free stuff he will offer them to buy their vote. The team with the moneyball is ticked off at his taxation policies so they have taken their moneyball and gone home. If it takes five more years to get rid of this POS then it will be five more years of failed stimulus packages I mean jobs bills. He has absolutely no clue as to what he is doing and will blame anybody and everybody for all of his complete failures. The only jobs he has saved or created are growing government. I believe real Americans and not feisty red heads will blow him out of office in 2012 with the largest defeat any President has ever had and by 2014 we will be well on track to dismantling his big government policies and health care single payer system and their death panels (send em home with a pain pill). Until he is gone the pain will continue. He truly is too stupid to fix anything.

Feisty, still can't handle facts I see. No comment on Obama's "priceless" hypocrisy. I see you dispute yours.

Here is an opinion for you. Obama will not be re-elected.

Here is another quote for you to call an opinion and BS. "If I can't fix Bush's economy in 3 years I don't deserve a second term." Obama's opinion is correct! Seems the "plan" was long over due. Wouldn't you say? Or maybe the first "plan" was not so good. Not such a good planner is he?

Do you have these same fantasies about male household pets??

Hey... it's not my fault your dog ran away due to you repeatedly tea baggin it...

Nice to know someone in your house has an ounce of common sense! ;o)

Has anyone else noticed that Feisty Redhead loves to loves call anyone who doesn't agree with her point of view by calling them cute dirty little name and to point out that others have opinions and our expressing them. Come on feisty all you do is express your opinion, take your best shot at me but try to use a fact or figure, maybe one that would refute that you act like and appear to have the IQ of the average 3rd grader. Given the free time you have to post/attack non-stop I can only assume to are a loosy employee and should be fired or more likely a free loader that has no desire to get a job and get off welfare and govt aid.

Realist is all you can offer insults? I won't take you seriously on account of the insults why should FR?

Perfectly said, Pat Boston.

The speech was brilliant from justifying regulations to justifying government. President Obama reminded Congress that the people expect "us" to do our jobs, they can't wait another 14 months until after the next election.

Hi Pat,

Outstanding.

Thanks Jody and Job1. And Jody, as usual your work today is outstanding.

To all Americans - contact your representatives in Congress. We have a stake in this - more so than the President does.

Democrats, Republicans, Independents - please, tell them to show some leadership. All we are asking is assistance for those who have been out of work for too long. The two wars, Wall Street, the Banks have driven our country into the ground. Let's turn the corner. A big corner.

Team work can move mountains. All we want is people to have a job. The President is on the right side here. People in America need us.

Please, contact your reps. Show we are one.

Really funny that 32 months into this administration, with massive deficit spending, with sinking poll numbers, a sinking economy and zero job growth that a lecture..ops "speech" and more deficit spending will save an economy. More government funded "sugar" highs will not create one lasting job. The real purpose was Obama attempting to save his job.

Pat, Boston, MA

If anyone is interested in who President Obama’s “base” is, check out The Obama Diary. Look at all the activism they are doing together, as one.

Pat, I did. I loved them talking about a collage of this tune

Ain't No Stopping Us Now

Now, are you all ready?
Are y'all ready?
Now we gonna do it with the fever
Yeah, Come on

Ain't no stoppin' us now
We're on the move (yeah-ee-a, yeah-ee-a)
Ain't no stoppin' us now
We've got the groove
Spice Girls, check it out

There've been so many things that have held us down
But now it looks like things are finally comin' around, yeah

I know we've got a long long way to go, yeah
And where we'll end up
I don't know
But we won't let nothing hold us back
We gonna get ourselves together
We gonna polish up our act, yeah
And if you've ever been held down before
I know that you refuse to be held down any more, yeah yeah
Don't you let nothing, nothing
Nothing stand in your way
And all we gonna do
I want you to listen, listen (That's right)
To every word I say
Every word I say about it

Ain't no stoppin' us now
We're on the move
(You said it, we've got the groove)
Ain't no stoppin' us now
We've got the groove (Whoo-hoo-oo-oo Whoo-hoo-oo)
Ain't no stoppin' us now
We're on the move
(We've got the groove)
Ain't no stoppin' us now
We've got the groove (Yeah)

Look, Lemme tell you this
I know you know someone who's got a negative vibe (Euhh)
And if you only help it will only keep it alive (Sh-yeah)
They really don't have nowhere to go
Ask 'em where they're going
They don't know
But we won't let nothing hold us back
We gonna get ourselves together, come on
We gonna polish up our act, yeah
And if you've ever been held down before
I know that you refuse to be held down any more, Oh oh oh

Don't you let nothing, nothing
(I won't do it) Stand in your way (No no)
And all we gonna do
I want you to listen, listen
To every word I say
Every word I say about it

Ain't no stoppin' us now (That's right)
We're on the move
(Nothing gonna, nothing gonna)
(Stop us now, stop us now)
Ain't no stoppin' us now, Come on
We've got the groove (Whoo-oo-oo yeah yeah)
Ain't no stoppin' us now (No no no)
We're on the move
(On the move, yeah-ee-a, yeah-ee-a)
Ain't no stoppin' us now
We've got the groove (Yeah)

Now, let's see it
Don't wanna stop
Please don't make me stop (I don't wanna)
Don't wanna stop
Please don't make me stop (No-oh No-oh)
Don't wanna stop
Please don't make me stop (I don't want to)
Don't wanna stop
Please don't make me stop
(Uh, y'all spell it out for me)

S-T-O-P-P-I-N
Ain't no (Doo-oo, Yeah-heh-a)
S-T-O-P- (to the) P- (to the) I-N (You got it)
Ain't no (Ain't no, no-no)
S-T-O-P-P-I-N (Go ahead)
Ain't no (Ain't no, no-oh-no, no-oh-no)
S-T-O-P- (to the) P- (to the) I-N (Come on)
Ain't no (No, yeah-ee-a, yeah-ee-a)

Ain't no stoppin' us now
We're on the move

Don't wanna stop, please don't make me stop (Yeah yeah)
Ain't no stoppin' us now (Yeah)
We've got the groove
Don't wanna stop, please don't make me stop
(Whoo-oo, Come around with me)

Ain't no stoppin' us now
We're on the move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY0tsKCB4lc

I was disappointed in Obama's answer to ever increasing health-care costs , to cut medicare. The root cause of the health-care systems problem is that it and the insurance industry are run by a bunch of soulless corporate bastards that personally gain by screwing the patient out of every dime they can. In my opinion he pussed out on the health-care issue, again.

Everyone puts down President Obama, but I know for a fact that as soon as someone else gets in there with a different color skin and doesn't make any changes in two and a half more years, you will say it's because Pres. Obama screwed up so bad, not that Bush screwed up so bad that it would take something short of an immaculate conception to pull us out of this mess for the next thirty years.

The speech last night was one more frustrated tantrum from a man that doesn't understand why his policies are not working. He blames and challenges conservatives to get behind his ideas so that when they fail for the second time he can claim that everyone was on board and that once again it was not his fault. The numbers can be manipulated but over time they don't lie and no amount of spin can turn the catastrophic failure known as the stimulus into a success! This knew proposal is more of the same with desperation thrown in. Giving companies an incentive to hire new workers that are veterans or have been unemployed may have merit but the devil is in the details. If their are no limitations or restrictions all you will see is a turn over in workers which in itself is not a good thing. Government regulations and energy prices are the key, while no one is acknowledging it officially, inflation is rampant in today's economy. The cost of gasoline has risen by high double digit percentages over the last three years though the price of oil per barrel is the same or less than when the increases started. Worse, nothing note worthy has been done about it. Heating oil, and natural gas prices have risen also which when combined with gas effects every household in America and everything they purchase. President Obama just doesn't get it, he is trying to cure the symptoms but is letting the disease run rampant. He is an idea man with no clue how to bring his ideas to fruition. Nor does he even know if his assumptions are the correct ones. You may cheer him for drawing a line in the sand and daring conservatives to stand up to him, but you miss the real point just as he does. The difference between Obama and G. W. Bush is simply that Bush got things done and accepted the criticism for them and Obama fails to get things done and blames everyone else for his ineffectiveness.

W Bush, you will be even more disappointed when Obama is defeated next November. I see you have no idea how the health insurance industry works and the massive regulations they deal with, both federal and state. By the way, the government run healthcare systems are far worse. Obamacare should really scare you.

Have you ever depended on a government run health-care system Tony, or is that what you heard?

I am so sick of people playing the race card. It is not going to work this time. The race card is worn out and not accepted anywhere anymore - except by people who are making excuses as to why people don't like 0bama. I don't like 1 Term 0bama because of his failed policies and his refusing to change course no matter how bad it gets. This time he won't get his son of Stimulus bill 2 and will use that as his excuse why the economy is still in the crapper. Then his supporters will try to use the race card to say that is why he gets "shellacked" on Nov 6 2012. It isn't race - it is poor performance.

Forrest Grump, do these designations ring a bell: FLMI, CLU, RHU and CEBS. Government has a poor track record when it comes to running anything. I bet all you know is mis-information from liberal sources who really know little or nothing. Government run healthcare is among the worse of them all.

Ah, the classic "government can't do anything right" canard. Why does Medicare have administrative costs a fraction that of private insurance if "government can't do anything right"? Why are Fedex and UPS unwilling to even ATTEMPT to check every address in the nation on a daily basis and pick up a letter destined to any other address for less than $.50 if "government can't do anything right"? How did public schools and libraries give us the best educated, most capable workforce in the world if "government can't do anything right"? How does the FAA provide the safest skies anywhere if "government can't do anything right"? How do we have the best armed forces in the world if "government can't do anything right"?

John, There you go again with your exaggerations...I said government has a poor track record. The data and facts support that position. You seem to always exaggerate and misrepresent what is said. I will repeat. Government has a poor track record when it comes to running anything. Do you take everything out of context? Or do you just hear what you want to hear?

Baloney. To be specific you said;

Government run healthcare is among the worse of them all.

Which is purely and simply a lie;

Many policymakers have called for the remodeling of Medicare to more closely resemble private insurance, which is often assumed to work better than public programs do. However, evidence from this 2001 survey demonstrates that Medicare beneficiaries are generally more satisfied with their health care than are persons under age sixty-five who are covered by private insurance. Medicare beneficiaries report fewer problems getting access to care, greater confidence about their access, and fewer instances of financial hardship as a result of medical bills. Making the program more like private insurance runs the risk of undermining a program that is working well from the perspective of beneficiaries.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/suppl/2003/12/03/hlthaff.w2.311v1.DC1

The Conservative intent to privatize Medicare will accomplish on and only one thing -- increased profits for insurance companies, already among the most profitable of all fields of endeavor in the American marketplace.

Bravo Jody!

PS: I'm laying down the NJ nut job repellent for ya! ;o)

Remember though, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

Thanks Jody, Another Home Run.

Wow Jody, Fantastic. You are the best. thank you for doing this every week.

The real pleasure I have had is putting many of the Right Wing Extremist who post here on ignore. It’s like changing the TV channel from FOX Noise to a Real News channel such as MSNBC or CNN.

This Right Wing Extremist group doesn’t deserve my time, because all they do is recycle all of the CRAZY RED NECK, Racist, Lying Talking points concerning Our GREAT President Obama.

“They the Tea Potty- Right Wing Extremist “Can Go Straight to Hell.”

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. There's nothing like poking a little fun at politics and there's plenty on the cutting room floor--it's been quite a week.

Jody, wonderful as always!

The minimum wage thing from Bachmann is puzzling, give that people need to have money to buy the things that are produced. Of course, if she tried to think that far ahead...her little brain would explode! Next thing she will be advocating is a return to slave labor, those that don't own large corporations being required to work for those that do.

Food for Thought:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight D. Eisenhower

Jody, Don't forget the lives these military supplies saved or are you that quick to forget the Nazi's.

The real pleasure I have had is putting many of the Right Wing Extremist who post here on ignore. It’s like changing the TV channel from FOX Noise to a Real News channel such as MSNBC or CNN.

That's an interesting statement.

The only people I put on ignore are the ones who use disgusting language, are blatantly bigoted or violent or racist....or who consistently violate the CoH.

I read the opinions of those I disagree with, to try to understand their viewpoints, and to try to explain my own positions. I read Fox, CNN, MSNBC and a number of non-US news sources.

I guess that's called "having an open mind".

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@Stephen -- Excellent!!! There is a mature way and a childish way. You have chosen wisely -- the mature way.

Jody--beautifully said! As always, thank you for the food for thought!

New Day--didn't Bachmann sign some sort of marriage pledge or something that had a clause stating slavery was beneficial to those enslaved? It seems to me that I remember reading something about it a few months ago. In any case, John Eidsmoe one of her mentors believes that slavery should be reinstated.

UAW, please re-read and try to absorb it, my comment specifically said they fought "not an evil empire but an evil, radicalized ideology of a small group and specifically referred to the War on Terror. Big difference there, Sparky but it does not surprise me that you choose to overlook the fact as written.

Nurse, yes Bachmann and several others signed an Iowa TP Pledge on Marriage which contained a whole list of things including slavery.

Steven B. I keep an open mind as well but FOX, exception Shep Smith, provides anything but open-minded discussion.

Duties of President of the United States of America

1. Sign the legislation; the bill then becomes law.
2. Veto the legislation and return it to Congress, expressing any objections; the bill does not become law, unless each house of Congress votes to override the veto by a two-thirds vote.
3. Take no action. In this instance, the president neither signs nor vetoes the legislation. After 10 days, not counting Sundays, two possible outcomes emerge:
   • If Congress is still convened, the bill becomes law.
   • If Congress has adjourned, thus preventing the return of the legislation, the bill does not become law. This latter outcome is known as the pocket veto.

Duties Of Congress

Writing and passing federal laws (their primary job).
Regulating interstate commerce, communication and transportation.
Regulating the US Mint and the money supply.
Creating appellate and lower courts.
Declaring war on foreign countries.

Like I said we need a vote of Confidence of Congress!

Steven B. I keep an open mind as well but FOX, exception Shep Smith, provides anything but open-minded discussion.

Well, I think FOX is biased to the right, and that MSNBC is biased to the left. CNN seems to be trying to find a spot in the middle. The UK Guardian is a left-leaning publication, and the Daily Telegraph seems to lean right.