So given Obama's track record on standing up for himself, if Boehner demands Obama resign this instant, would he?

Oh Feisty - what does the raffle of a Glock have to do with anything, and where can I sign up?

Spanky-

Why not have the GOP resign their War on Voting? FYI: a raffle on Jared Laughtner's gun is an insult to Gabriel Giffords and a dog whistle for the lynch mob in the T-nuttier Party.

In a campaign supported by the Koch brothers, Republicans are working to prevent millions of Democrats from voting next year

Just as Dixiecrats once used poll taxes and literacy tests to bar black Southerners from voting, a new crop of GOP governors and state legislators has passed a series of seemingly disconnected measures that could prevent millions of students, minorities, immigrants, ex-convicts and the elderly from casting ballots. "What has happened this year is the most significant setback to voting rights in this country in a century," says Judith Browne-Dianis, who monitors barriers to voting as co-director of the Advancement Project, a civil rights organization based in Washington, D.C.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

ALEC Exposed!!!

Through the corporate-funded American Legislative Exchange Council, (ALEC)global corporations and state politicians vote behind closed doors to try to rewrite state laws that govern your rights. These so-called "model bills" reach into almost every area of American life and often directly benefit huge corporations. Through ALEC, corporations have "a VOICE and a VOTE" on specific changes to the law that are then proposed in your state. DO YOU?

Worker and Consumer Rights
Tort Reform and Injured Americans
Privatizing Schools and Higher Ed Policy
Health, Pharmaceuticals and Safety Net Programs
Environment, Energy and Agriculture
Democracy, Voter Rights and Federal Power
Taxes and Budgets
Guns, Prisons, Crime and Immigration

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

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This is not the United States Abraham Lincoln, Dr Martin L King Jr, civil rights groups, and our brave service men and women gave their lives to for us to be free. Freedom means having the ability to vote.

If you want to live in Jim Crow and pre-civil right days, that's your business . Real Americans don't

Hey Bev -- I just heard that Dick Durbin is calling for hearings next week on the ALEC bullsh!t!

One more reason, I LOVE my Senator!

They KNOW they can't win in 2012 with the current crop of crazies SO time for some good fashion old voter suppression.

Oh Nooooo - anthoer boogey-man we have to watch out for. ALEC.

So BEV. is ALEC better or evil-er than Koch Industries?

Also who is advocating for Jim Crow dear? You might want to venture of to other Libbie websites - they are literally calling for Obama's head today. Does that make them racist?

I wonder if Feisty loves both her fine senators?

Be careful with that Glock Spankster you might shoot yourself. Remember the only safety on that piece is in the trigger.

As a matter of fact I'm planning on picking up a Kel-Tec PF-9 this weekend.

I was not a glock fan until recently when a buddy got, co-incidentally a Glock 19. Man, it sure does shoot nice and is a sound gun.

Looking for something a little smaller. Got a P-11, but the trigger pull sucks. Hoping the PF-9, a new design is better. And heck at $250, it's a deal.

Spanky's favorite right-to-work state, South Carolina, should probably look to its unemployment problem (it currently ranks third in unemployment, right between those hapless union states Michigan and California) before it worries about its positioning in the Presidential primary.

http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/state_unemployment_rates/?iid=EL

If job creation conditions are so good in South Carolina, Spanky, without all that nasty union interference, then where are all those jobs?

By the way, as both Bev and I have posted here before, and others, too, ALEC is no mere bogeyman, unless you are willing to say that Milton Friedman was a crackpot -- but that's what ALEC's drones, like Spanky, want everyone to think.

Lets all of us Good Progressives make sure that we vote in our states Republican-Tea Potty primary.

Wow spanky you sure like the cheap crap don't ya. If you want something really nice, look for a Colt light weight Combat Commander in 38 super. Don't make em any more. Always hated 9mm. The worst mistake the U.S. armed forces ever made was to go with the Baretta.

Feisty, what is the machination that you always have the first quote on FirstRead NBC???

Richard with all the problems in the world and that is what concerns you?

I have been first, you figure it out if you are so smart.

I don't know why all the primaries aren't held at the same time. That has always been something that I didn't like. In 2000 I would have liked to support Libby Dole, but by the time the Illinois primary came up, she wasn't even on the ballot.

Why would the wicked witch of the West start to play by the rules now?

I didn't see Pelosi mentioned in this article.

I do like cheap. I'm as cheap as they come Torpedo.

One of my current favorite is my Hi-point 9mm. Oh and I have a 9mm carbine that is a hoot.

But this is just anther "car" gun [and I have several cars]. Don't want to leave the good stuff laying around in case of theft.

And I love 9mm. I picked one size of ammo a long time ago. Keeps it much simpler.

hey Bev:

I wish my ancestors would have picked their own cotton!

Picking cotton is easy. It's removing the seeds that used to be a bitch. Then along came ol' Eli and his machine.

A few states should not decide who the candidate is. With today’s technology all states should have there primary on the same day and then have a runoff of the top two.

Well, I meant to finish with he's the "I used to be in Congress" blowhard that doesn't let a guest disagree with him - doesn't speak for everyone though he really tries - and if he can't speak for them, he'll talk OVER them! All this baloney of WWHD? She didn't get elected and there's no way of knowing if she would've beat McCain. Get over it!

I just returned from a 2 week tour in Europe and I can't tell you how refreshing it was to just have "normal" journalism-type news there. Mostly CNN international. But the absence of the daily ups and downs of the presidential politics was wonderful.

It seems like the media has become totally obsessed with 2012. When do we start focusing on fixing the problems in our country in 2011 rather than just wondering who will win in 2012? And after 2012, won't the speculation about 2016 begin?

Ursula-279622

I wish all of my fellow Democrats would cut back on their daily dose of "Morning Joe!"

Ursula, I stop watching Cheeto JOE during the campaign. The only way I'll catch him is if I left the TV on because I'm too sleepy fumbling for my remote or my husband will turn him on for the jokes of the day.

Colorado Crenshaw - you lucky duck! Like you I'm getting sick of the over-hyped news we get here. But you've got to consider that it's really not news at all - it's entertainment and they'll do whatever it takes to get a following. Make a story out of nothing, in fact - like the dispute over scheduling the President's speech.

Ursula, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on tv or radio these days that doesn't talk over guests. The days of open forums where all ideas are discussed and weighed are over. Now, it's the loudest voice who wins.

my husband will turn him on for the jokes of the day.

You mean his entire show isn't the joke of the day? News to me.

I agree GOP Undecided that has really become the norm these days, and it drives me crazy. I guess I'm just older and not used to that. The only one I give a pass on is Chris Matthews he does it A LOT but with him its less "I don't want you to answer" and more "I keep expanding and elaborating on my question". Its still annoying but I don't think he's actually trying to be a jerk. Its sad though because he can ask some really good questions. Whenever he does that I'm always thinking "That's a great question Chris now please restrain yourself and lets hear the answer!"

So Madison,

You now speak for New York. Not so much dear.

That's the funniest post I have read today, a real knee slapper, you want your state to be responsive to the whims of the rich at the expense of the hard working citizen. Why don't you cats post what you really want, "I want everyone to work for slave wages and no benefits, except for me of course" just go ahead and say it, everyone knows that's what you are thinking anyway.

A right to work state means right to be fired for any or no reason.

The state of Georgia is a right to work state, that's why the unemployment rate is 9.9%. It is not a right to work but a right to work for whatever wages the employee wants to pay and the right to get fired for any reason. It is the right for an employer to deduct the cost of a background check and drug test from your paycheck and you have to sign paperwork to consent to that or you are ineligible to be considered as a potential candidate for that employer. It is the right for an employer to force you to use a payroll card, even if you have a personal banking account. And this payroll card has all sorts of fees attached such as a monthly maintenance fee, a minimum account balance fee and so on. Right to Work is far from what it seems.

But now with the elimination of the RNC winner-take-all rule all the states have a voice and it will be a long race much like the Democrats.

Bev,

I think that every effort should be extended to prevent voter fraud in every state, i.e. cracking down on voter intimidation and gerrymandering, producing paper ballot backup capability to the automated voting system, etc., this *is* 2011! NO one should be without some kind of photo ID nowadays. It seems that I'm frequently having to show mine for so many transactions now as do all my friends and colleagues... The point always missed in these debates is that you don't have to have a drivers license... All DMV's in every state issue non-driver ID's to non-drivers using the same methods

thetotas Here in SoCal I am constantly showing my id. I was just at Loma Linda and had to show my id to see me wife who is awaiting surgery. While I am standing there others just walked by wothout showing theirs and they were almost all hispanic. When I questioned the employee at the front about it, his reply was we were told not to ask for their id's. I certainly would not want that to happen at a polling place.

Rickster?

Did Mickey and/or Minnie Mouse, or Goofy, have to show a picture ID to vote in Ohio in 2008, even though ACORN marked the registration petitions they submitted as suspect? I hear they signed up to get one or more voter registration cards in various registration drives in Ohio in 2008.

But yes, making sure that every voter has a picture ID issued by the government will make sure that Mickey and/or Minnie Mouse, or Goofy, can't vote in person, but it doesn't make sure they can't vote by absentee ballot.

Oh, and isn't it the registrar of voting (or other official) to make sure all applications are reviewed to make sure only properly registered people are issued a voter registration card? Weren't most of the registrars of voting in Ohio in 2008 a member of the GOOPer Party? They didn't do their job, and thus Mickey and/or Minnie Mouse, or Goofy, voted one time for each registration card they presented?

Nah, want a good long primary so the country gets a good look at these wackos as they try to out tea-crazy each other.

I want the whole country to know that the whole gang of rich presidential hopefuls want to kill your social security and raise your middle class taxes to protect the rich.

A sea of blue is the only thing that will stop the republican opposition to everything for America. Vote out the republicans that have signed a pledge with Norquist to kill America for the rich.

Obama 2012

is it on Lake Winisquam?

sonmanvb And one of those southern democrats that voted against the civil rights act was Al Gores daddy. I'll bet his son holds the same views, he just covers it up better.

richard-1957365?

Like father, like son?

Always? And forever?

Then why was TR registered as a Republican, and FDR registered as a Democrat? After all, they were distant cousins on the paternal side of each, so that means they had a common ancestor.

Like father, like son? Always?

With NO exceptions? Ever?

Mav - read his book he already has imploded - don't think he'll get Grandma's vote

Stupid, you really show how stupid you really are with your lack of history knowledge. Wow, good reply to that one. You once told me that the economy was in a depression during all of Reagan's term too right? Your right we do need to pour more money into the education system--what a failure it was with you. I bet you think good ole Abe Lincoln was a democrat too dont you.

you think good ole Abe Lincoln was a democrat too dont you.

No, but I do think he was nothing like YOU and the other t-baggers....

You truly do suffer from disjointedlogic don't you Kirk. (A statement, not a question.)

NOTE:

JUST BECAUSE I REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR UNFOUNDED, UNSUPPORTED, UNTRUE SPIN AS FACT CERTAINLY DOES NOT INDICATE "LACK OF HISTORY KNOWLEDGE." Get it through your dense skull....just because YOU say it, does not make it fact.

I know how disappointed and confused you become when anyone calls out your lies, half-truths, and RNC rehetoric instead of blindly accepting what you say, and for that I have to say...

TOO BAD! Get over yourself.

p.s.

Your post indicates YOU do believe and adhere to the statements in my post...

imbecillic!

p.p.s. Kirk -

Thank you very much for proving my original point:

They will swear you must be stupid if you say you saw what you saw happen; you HAVE to say you saw something different, something that conincides with their platform talking points. Never mind the facts, and FORGET ABOU TRUTH.

Your right Stupid, the history books are wrong and your version is correct. My bad.

?????????????????

Please show me a history book which proves or at minimum even supports your statement.

Be specific please.... explain my "version" and how it is wrong.

You make absolutely NO sense whatever.

Who cares which state goes first, it does not determine who will be the winner in any primary.

Best I've seen FDR - saying to the Republicans - I know you hate me I embrace your hate - come and get me - I added the last line

Next speech - Oh yes the Republicans will take care of your Social Security, just trust us - we can do better than this President and it will not cost you a dime - all said with a smile - actually as a child and hearing his later speech's during WW11 - I think that was his last smile

You can vote in the Republican primary, just like the RepukliCONS vote in the Democrat primary to try and screw up their votes. Go on in and vote for those least likely to win! Learn to play the game like they do!

Besides if your going to vote RepukliCON in 2012, your just that stupid anyway and probably NOT a Democrat in real life