typically I would not waste my time but I cannot wait to see the debate. I will need some popcorn and tissue, I may be crying from laughter. Watching my Governor Perry fumble around for answers and side step every chance he gets, he will probably even try to turn stuff around on the people asking the tough questions because he is not going to have the answers. Then for Bachmann backers claiming Perry is more guilty that she taking stimulus money and subsidies for the Profitable family farm. This will be fun, hypocrite on hypocrite, wish there was a mud wrestle pit... Oh the suspense!

This is going to be sooo much fun, like watching a flock of sea gulls fighting over a dead carp.

Not just the farm subsidies, dbo, but what about Michele and Marcus' 23 foster kids that she loves to mention (money making), and Dr. Marcus and his bogus clinic with federal money.

Ah, Bachmann, be careful what doors you open up!

Popcorn?

Oh Drive By, really that it super funny, if not so very sad.

As you enjoy your popcorn I suppose you'll just ignore all the "President Zero" has wrought.

I was surprised yesterday that you finally acknowledge he is a disappointment to you and that you are now just another person voting for the lesser of two evils.

So as you chew that popcorn I wonder - can you tell us how you will feel when he gives his big speech and calls for a set of highly conservative methods?

We already know he's going to cut taxes [again], cut back regs [some more], and provide additional incentives to private employers.

How come he flat out ignores all the libbie calls for a giant WPA?

Oh well, at least you have you popcorn. Enjoy.

Chilled - if the clinic is bogus, why hasn't the gov shut it down? You remember all that talk from Obama about waste, fraud and abuse?

There goes spanky again. Cheering for a bad economy. That's all you tea people GOP republicans have got.

"So as you chew that popcorn I wonder - can you tell us how you will feel when he gives his big speech and calls for a set of highly conservative methods?"

See, unlike you and the rest of the 'baggEEs, I will pull for him if his methods include 'highly conservative' measues, just so long as they pull the nation forward and upward. His failure is not what I'M pulling for, just OUR success. But you probably can't fathom what I'm saying here, right, "counselor"?

And yes- popcorn. And yes, it is sad, isn't it, watching two mental midgets like Perry and Bawkmann go at eachother, when neither one has a plan that will indeed pull the nation forward and upward themselves.

"if the clinic is bogus, why hasn't the gov shut it down? You remember all that talk from Obama about waste, fraud and abuse?"

Well, probably for the same reason Bush/Cheney haven't been investigated/charged with war crimes, crimes against humanity, betraying the purlic trust, etc.

...My President/DOJ just won't.......I really can't figure that one out either!

Forget Bachmann, who is no more a true fiscal conservative than Rick Perry, who takes government handouts when it suits her purposes, and for whom the only paychecks she has ever earned in her entire adult life have been PUBLIC sector paychecks.

Personally, I'm holding out for the video in which Rick Perry figures out a way to claim that Texas created half of all the -- zero -- jobs created in the month of August.

At that point, people may finally figure out how Perry is fudging his job creation numbers.

Substance - man if that's what we are getting from President Zero I sure hope it stops, and right soon.

Hey Soldier - exactly who is Obama catering to these days? Sure does not seem to be democrats.

And really why would anyone bash Obama - he's doing such a bang up job. It was such a nice even number this morning, right?

Yeah, that stimulus thing-y sure did work great. It totally jump started the economy. 0 is the loneliest number that I ever saw.

Solider, go look at the previous posted newsvine and see if the only thing you find is bashing of everyone but Potus by the gang on here.

Substance? Comon Spankster all we get from you is your usual snark! Come to think of it if conservatives have things their way, in 30 years our country will resemble Mexico, ya know a country riddled with cronyism and corruption. as opposed to "Socialist Canada." Just look at TexAss. Sorta reminds of of the current congress and their pimps on K street.

The - Democrat Soldier

TRUTH -not CRAP

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

Soldier it's good to see you back on these boards. Don't be a stranger.

@ the Spankster

Despite the T-nuts holding America hostage, President Obama has assisted all Americans including African-Americans. The President is trying. If people like you in Congress weren't so apt to portray themselves as a lynch mob he could do more. So speak what you know instead of crap.

"Kirk" your missing the point. It's not about religion, I don't begrudge any ones commitment to their faith, but when it spills over into their politics that becomes a problem. I take issue with any ideological zealot on either side, add religious fervor to that and the combination would lead any reasonable person to believe that objectivity and the needs of all the people they serve would go out the window. I give GWB and President Obama credit, you can have faith - but it's more about how you conduct yourself versus what you say. You know, "don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk" - too many talkers in this "wacky pack" primary...

Kirk-2957282

"Fiesty, would you call muslims Koran banging nut jobs for their devotion to Islam..."

Oh, God- not this nonsesne again, Kirk. It's not their 'devotion to Islam' that anyone would object to. It's their trying to inject it into, and making it the fabric of, governments that would cause the derission to which you refer.

And 'Obama and the 20 years in church' thing- are you really going back there? What next- Telepromtper??

Ok Mav, give me some examples where Perry or Palin allowed their faith to interfere with their public lives. I am not a Palin fan so its not a matter of me supporting her but it really feels like religious bigotry from Fiesty and others. Fiesty didnt say anything about a certain position that was influenced by their religion she disagreed with, she said fanatical bible thumping religious nut jobs. Break that statement down and explain to me how that comment isnt reprehensible. When did bible thumping or being religious become a bad thing. Dont see anywhere your disclaimer associated with her comments. I very well could be wrong but I havent heard of any Perry political position that would meet your standard. Has he said that he wants public funding to be used for religious purposes? I dont count having personal views consistent with religious upbringing to meet your standard as I assume you have personal positions based on some kwowledge or experience that you bring to life.

If I am missing the point explain how Fiesty's comments can be interpreted differently? Why are they wacky? Because they dont agree with you? Is Romney wacky because he is a Mormon. Are all catholics wacky as they believe in eating the body and blood of some dude from 2000 years ago and then walk into some strange room and confess all the bad things they do, do some penance die and live in purgatory for a while before living in a nice neighborhood with a supreme being.

When did bible thumping or being religious become a bad thing.

When it intrudes into politics!

Drive by--read me Fiesty's comments and explain to me how bible thumping religious nut job isnt offensive to all christians? Where is this disclaimer in that statement you are referring to. Reverend Wright is nonsense I agree if it wasnt so hypocritical of you guys. Now if you think Perry is trying to inject his devotion to christianity into the fabric of government rather than pandering for votes in the GOP primary, can you provide me with some examples of political positions he advocates that would do so? How has he injected religion into Texas government in a way that is "christian". If you tell me that some of his political positions are framed by his religion thats fine and then dont vote for him because you and everyone else including an atheist or Obama brings with him to frame his political positions that are framed from his experiences and background but that doesnt make him a wacko or nut job. You may not like what I am saying but this type of religious bigotry is reprehensible and this coming from someone who doesnt agree with them at all.

It is priceless to have a moonbat now claim George Bush's religious beliefs were reasonable compared to that of Bachmann or Perry..

What a load of crap. The Left attacked and mocked the religious beliefs of Bush incessantly .

Bachman and Perry are Christians, no different than millions of Americans, as well as Obama himself

Drive-by - I heard Obama was born in Kenya and educated in a madrassa, too. However, I also know that can't be true, because I saw a webpage saying he's not even of this planet. He's a manchurian candidate, alright, but not from Manchuria... from the planet Xunulu!

Sorry Fiesty, your comment was reprehensible and everyone agrees that if it intrudes into politics in a manner that enforces someones views on moral conduct thats a bad thing. Thats not what you said and I have never seen you give examples of political positions that would intrude. So Fiesty give me examples of how Perry's religion intrudes into politics? When you grew up on a commune and believed in worshiping the environment and everyone worked for the common good and everyone was equal and then ran for office and held the view that adopting socialism is a good thing. Do we call you a wacko or just vote for someone else because we dont agree with your views? Do you call catholics wackos for their beliefs?

You said bible thumping religious nutjob and thats offensive to anyone who is a christian.

So Fiesty give me examples of how Perry's religion intrudes into politics

So kirk - I've asked you before to quit trolling me!

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE SHORT BUS RIDER - IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I WRITE DON'T READ IT!

Now GO away - you've officially joined my ignore list!

You shoud feel pretty unique!

Still singing that same old song? Black church, black pastor, for heavens sake turn the page, you've got other things to snark about.

The vast majority of us in this country, consider practise of religion or not to be a private matter. That is why we find it offensive to see it being used in politics, and yes, bashing those if not literally then figuratively over the head with their bibles and their drawing on God to endorse them in their political endeavours.

Fiesty, shouldnt you be less sensitive? Did I hurt your self esteem? So your inability to defend your reprehensible comment puts me on ignore. Amazing. Is that like Obama voting "Present". Wow I love how being called on the carpet by the progressives with no ability to defend the inaccuracies of what they say or the reprehensible manner in which they personally attack others just means I get put on ignore.

Goddamn it, Kirk- will you PLEASE pay attention. It's not the religion OR the belief- it's the holer's desire to make everybody else live under laws based on it. Abortion rings a bell. Gay marriage rings a bell. Any others, you think?

Goddamn it, Kirk- will you PLEASE pay attention.

Ain't NEVUH gonna happen Buzz - this dude is like a human pretzel! lol

You shoud feel pretty unique!

Nah, I've had him on ignore for months now.

Gingerbread, the vast majority in this country do not find the religion to be a private matter otherwise why do they go to church? Obama went for 20 years to an anti american anti gay church and he certainly didnt do it in private. Can you provide me with an example of Perry bashing anyone with his bible? Kanye West thanks god in his acceptance speech for awards. Every touchdown is made by someone thanking god, certainly not private and not bashing. I find such thanking silly but dont call those people bible thumping religious nut jobs? Lay out the Perry positions in which he is imposing his religious views on you in a way thats different than anyone who has a view that is framed from their experience, background or knowledge? If you dont like it dont vote for him but dont be a religious bigot with reprehensible comments like Fiestys.

Drive by Observer--I am only holding Fiesty to her words and you can try and excuse it but what she said was reprehensible. Have you seen the number of times Anna Molly takes one sentence out of my post and holds be accountable for them. I may want to defend myself and I might be annoyed by it but I dont blame her for making me be held accountable for my words. None of you yet have provided one political position by Perry or Palin in which they injected their religious beliefs into thier current political positions or with Perry in a law in which Texas residents had to live under. Sorry Drive by but abortion and gay marriage dont cut it because those are legitimate reasonable beliefs held by over 50% of the population held by both religious and non religious people. I personally dont share them but there is a huge part of the population that holds gay marriage wrong including Obama's former church. There is a huge portion of the population that feels abortion is wrong without regard to religion. You may not agree with those political positons but they arent bible thumping religious nut jobs. Catholics by and large arent bible thumping under your definition and they view abortion wrong. Your so off base on this one and Fiesty owes all Christians or people of religion an apology.

I guess I should feel honored that I have somehow been able to befuddle all the gang and get on their ignore list given that they used to call me sensitive and the only thing I do is call them out on their factual inaccuracies, hypocrisy and personal attacks and bigotry.

"Mo" what else can they do when their argument is "Vote for me and I'll carry on GWB's economic plan". You can't really say that out loud.

"...and those other folks can bring the nuts"

BRING the nuts?

"sometimes you feel like a nut....sometimes you ARE" (apologies to M&M Mars)

Paul, get a clue. "Unity through division"?

It is called a primary, where candidates criticize each other and try to convince voters they are the best choice.. Ever hear of it?

Didnt Hillary run a famous attack ad criticizing Obama's lack of experience?

Bob, I'm fairly familiar with the primary idea. I was joking about Bachmann's PAC, which calls itself Keep Conservatives United. And then to use this PAC to run attack ads, instead of the campaign proper just running the ad really drives the humor home.

Maybe the name should be changed to "Keep Conservatives United So Long as They Unite Behind Michelle Bachmann Otherwise Forget About It."

the only left-wing conspiracy is the republican party. GWB expanded and redefined the role of government like no pres.. since Truman. And posing these crosseyed fanatics as conservatives in this race is more likely to socialize this country than Stalin ever dreamed. I bet they get home from church and sing the internationale before sitting down to the union-sponsored nfl game.