Real mature is right!!!

NPR reports this is the first time in history that a president’s request to speak before Congress was rejected.

I happened to catch Chucky T. on the Today Show this morning and all I can say is WOW!

I have seen some serious spin out of him in the past but that was a real piece of work. Epic actually!

It wasn’t too obvious he was visibly upset about what he perceived as the President ‘stepping’ on MSNBC’s little toes by requesting a joint session of Congress at the same time the insane clown posse would be attempting to out pray themselves!

It was painful to watch a so-called professional journalist allowing his bias to be so obvious!

There’s a reason I DON’T watch Fox…

So, the moral of the story is; President Obama once again extended a hand & the Weeper of the House gave him the FINGER (again)! *yawn*

Riddle me this?

WHY is this the first time in history that a Presidents request to speak was DENIED?

That's the bigger story here....

The whining and poutrage from the lefty liberals about the debate date issue should be very entertaining!!!

The part that I find the most Hillaryous is the lefty liberal position that the President is somehow "entitled" to get the date he wants and Boehner was out of line to suggest another date. My response: What part of “co-equal branches of govt” do you not understand? In fact, it could be inferred from the Constitution that the legislative branch is first among equals because the framers of the Constitution chose to establish it in Article 1, and left the executive branch to Article 2.

Also entertaining is the fact that addressing a joint session of Congress is a privilege, not a right, for anyone, including the President. It is by invitation only. The way I’m reading this one is that Barry and his admin made a clumsy and amateurish attempt to muscle the House by inviting themselves to the date Barry preferred, and it backfired on them big time.

I’m sure that pre-empting the Republican debate played no part at all in Barry’s decision.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If anyone believes THAT, I’ve got a “green jobs” success story fairy tale for you (more on that later).

Proof Fox Will Attack Obama Anyhow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBNGSHJPpwk&feature=player_embedded

After all the hissy fits the GOP/Tea-Tarts pulled about the President's scheduling his address on Wednesday, September 7-2011 being in conflict with their Republican presidential candidate debate. In other words, what they meant was their coming out party for the Killer–in-Chief Gov. Rick Perry was being overshadowed.
Oh, the insult to former First Lady Nancy Reagan and the Reagan Library they lamented. Nancy Reagan, first of all, is not the President and the Reagan Library is not the "Vatican".

Here's who was insulted.

House historian says public move by Boehner to tell #Obama to change date is unprecedented. Negotiations usually happen behind closed doors

http://twitter.com/#!/LukeRussert/status/109008908319850497

Yup, it was President Obama insulted and the height of disrespect to the Office of the President; plus it was very toxic.

You'd think the reschedule would be Waaay better. But "NOoooo" the Potty Mouths @ Fox still complained. How many times have the GOP/Tea-Tarts said Americans are really worried about jobs, the economy; and ask Mr. President, "Where are the J-O-B-S?"

Well, the Republicans blew their chance to hear the President talk about HIS J-O-B-S Plan they supposedly wanted to hear. After all they have 20 debates scheduled. They could have acquiesced the President. Each and every day more and more Republicans prove their only desire is to stall and wreck the economy. They are NOT concerned about this economy and most of all J-O-B-S!!!

Here's a light-bulb moment from Charles Krauthammer on the Fox News Channel; even though it's full of crap. He thought that -- Boehner made a mistake when he blocked the President's request. Krauthammer said he was skeptical of the White House's claim that the timing was a coincidence. But he also said Boehner and his party could have used the debate to ATTACK Obama on a grander scale.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/31/krauthammer-boehner-letter-rejecting-the-timing-of-obama-speech-probably-ill-advised/#ixzz1WhW6KX1h

The President as usual was the only adult around. President Obama set Boehner up, and Boehner took the bait like the stupid, drunken, Boo-hoo Cry Baby he is eager to appease the Tea Party and caved-in. In addition to that, Boehner is still getting the knife Eric Cantor has in his back. Boehner is a drunken idiot . Boehner played right into the President's hands.

Furthermore, what this does prove is the President is not interested in continual wrangling and partisanship from the idiotic GOP/Tea-Tarts.

The President was respectable.

The White House confirms to TPM that it gave Congressional leadership the heads up before announcing its request publicly and no objections were raised at the time. Republicans say they never signed off, and were never asked to sign off.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/childish-dems-gop-snipe-publicly-over-presidents-job-speech.php?ref=fpa

Obama Takes High Road, Agrees To September 8th Address

http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20110831/obama-takes-high-road-agrees-to-september-8th-address/

Keep safe no jo wherever you are; that's not a snark.

Green Jobs” Epic Fail

Today’s WSJ has a story about one of Barry’s highest profile “green jobs” initiatives, a solar panel manufacturing company called Solyndra. It was a big enough deal for Barry to visit their headquarters last year to tout all the jobs that would be created. Well, Solyndra got a $535 million loan guarantee from Barry’s Dept of Energy, of which $527 million has been used. Yesterday Solyndra announced that it has ceased manufacturing operations, is laying off 1,100 employees and filing for bankruptcy. The taxpayers are on the hook for the more than half a billion in loan guarantees.

I’m gonna guess this one won’t be mentioned in next week’s speech.

Today’s Headlines:

OBAMA BOWS TO BOEHNER ON SPEECH DATE..

Poll: 65% Give Obama Thumbs Down on the Economy

Wisconsin Unions reverse decision to ban GOP from parade

Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

• Solyndra was touted by the Obama administration as a prime example of how green technology could deliver jobs

When are you all on the Left going to realize you are losing the debate with America?

The bickering over the scheduling of the President's speech is far more than a tempest in a teapot. I think it is the first serious shot in the campaign. Republicans took a direct hit and they don't know it.

The "Rovian Playbook" - such as it is - works just fine for the base. Throw them red meat, a couple of easy-to-remember talking points and voila - the zombies make noise. They do not think and are completely unaware they are putty in the hands of the right........AND ironically in the hands of the left. Democrats are playing them like a two-bit harmonica.

The G.O.P. "leadership" is totally predictable. Of course Boehner was going to flex and show his authority by denying the President's request; great for the zombies, but very petty for the center AND the left. The President and his staff knew this would happen. If the President wants something - say, "NO!"

Well golly. The President can see his way clear to put his proposals off for one day. He's a reasonable guy, isn't he? Yes, he is, and much smarter than his opposition. He most assuredly did not cave.

Anyone who follows this political gamesmanship also knows that the Republican "debate" will be devoid of substance. It will be nothing more than the standard fare - Obama bashing. There will be no new ideas, no plans to put people back to work, no plans for bringing our infrastructure up to acceptable standard - NOTHING. It's going to be the same old crap - Tax cuts for the rich cure everything. That's it, and believe it or not, the majority of Americans know it's crap.

This "debate" will be fresh in the minds of political junkies when Obama makes his presentation the following day. He will "officially" open his campaign by highlighting the utter lack of a Republican plan, of any new ideas, of any substance. A campaign that is based on "We don't like that guy in the White House" is very, very weak.

So the president caved and move his speech next week. Too funny. Just another in a continuing series of examples of how this gang that couldn't shoot straight from day one, still can't shoot straight today. Maybe the White House never had any intention of trumping the Republican debate long scheduled for that same night. But that doesn't matter. What matters is the appearance of a clumsy attempt to rain on the parade of their political foes at the same time they try and sell the need to put politics aside for the sake of the economy. Good grief, you can't make this stuff up.

Ron asks "What do Adults do?"

Well Ron, Adults work things out, before they leak things to the press.

Now one side claims it was Ok'd, and the other side says it wasn't. Why would Boehner OK this in the first place? The administration is lying, again.

So much for the only Adult in the room mantra.

Ron Indiana

Boehner may have said, "Hell No" (he says that a lot) but was willing to schedule the President's visit for Thursday evening.

So this morning I see CBS saying "The President blinked"; Huffington Post reports the President buckles to GOP demands; an article reported that Obama caves-in. To all these comments, I say, "Baloney, the media is trying to stir the discontent and create more hostility.

Neighbor I aggee with you and don't even give tjat huff & Puff or the firebaggers a click because if they hadn't told people to stay home we would not have gridlock

Flash back "Hell yes we can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpOUctySD68

The simple fact is the White House knew the debates were already scheduled. Again, Obama makes speeches and over and over, lately keeps talking about setting the politics aside, and he has no intention of doing so himself.

Just a case of Gamesmanship between the boys. Not important.

Too bad...NBC's coverage of the 2011 NFL season opener next Thursday night would have been a nice diversion...a harmless, brief bit of escapism from the nation's economic woes.

Instead (ironically), we'll also get a Presidential address on the nation's economic woes.

Still...it's nice that this is happening to the Obama Network, NBC.

That might be the most ironic element of the entire fiasco.

Certainly the most entertaining element.

Just as in the debt debate both sides switched position. Reid, Obama were against it before they were for it. McConnell and Kyle were for it before they were against. Yesterday just shows the complete pettiness of Washington.

Before all the Obama supporters start whining about prerogatives and perceived slights, just ask yourself what comments you would be post here if George W Bush attempted to schedule a speech before congress 4 years ago on the same night as the Democratic Debate involving Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edward and Joe Biden.

David Walker:

Republicans took a direct hit and they don't know it.

The "Rovian Playbook

The G.O.P. "leadership" is totally predictable.

Anyone who follows this political gamesmanship also knows that the Republican "debate" will be devoid of substance

David complains about "Republicans bashing Obama", but the entire point of his post bashing the GOP.

The Liberals have given up. There are no success stories for Obama to run on next year. The only choice the Left has is to go negative, and that too will fail. At least the Left can say they tried.

if George W Bush attempted to schedule a speech

Well I'll be damned!

Here I thought we weren't suppose to talk about Bush anymore... lol

You got to admit Alan - your BUSH CARD sure does come in handy when necessary doesn't it?

no joe, no bo, nj

Quinnipiac is out with Obama's worst poll number to date. I wonder what his internal polls are saying? I wonder what effect that has on fundraising? I wonder what it's going to take for some of the liberals to get that he is not going to get reelected- but will probably get a show on MSNBC? Then, most of us won't have to listen to his no-longer effective speeches, but the swooners can get their fill.

no joe, no bo, nj

I see nothing has changed with you. Anyhow I'm glad you're O-kay.

Here is poll for you...

The President inherited Bush's mess
http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/poll.jpg?w=721&h=448

Have you noticed the job numbers are up?

You got to admit Alan - your BUSH CARD sure does come in handy when necessary doesn't it?

As I keep saying eleven years of presidential incompetence and counting.

Tony C: Again, Obama makes speeches and over and over, lately keeps talking about setting the politics aside, and he has no intention of doing so himself.

Obama didn't even know about the Republican debate scheduled for next Wednesday. He certainly didn't know about the NFL season starting the following night. Obama is in his own little world, insulated from reality, he just does things because he feels he needs to do something. Just like Obama isn't aware of the problems facing the country, he's not aware that the world outside of the little bubble he lives in has it's priorities too, and much them don't include Obama.

Obama's ego and narcissistic tendencies keep getting him in trouble and make him look like the fool he is.

John A or B, David, or anyone else with thoughtful reasoning

Yesterday on the boards a few brought up the issue of $0 tax for business arguing that they only pass the cost onto consumers. I struggle with this issue and see some logic there but feel the services and protections the government offers shouldn't be discounted so lightly. Any perspective would be appreciated.

Reposting so Bill doesn't miss it:

Joe -- No whining here just think the whole thing is much to do about nothing. A schedule conflict. Wow.

He certainly didn't know about the NFL season starting the following night.

I'll bet you $100 he did.

Yo Walker... you've got to be kidding... Obama was deliberately trying to preempt the Republican primary debate... and Boener rightly didn't agree to that. If Obama had asked to address Congress on Christmas Day, they'd have told him no too. But more telling is what Obama then agreed to... giving his address to Congress opposite the season-opening NFL game. Now conservatives have long since given up on listening to the same old "tax the rich" and "let's squander lots more money that we don't have" ... but now, even most Liberals will tune him out to watch the game. That is, unless of course the Liberal MSM doesn't give them a choice, cuts from the games, and forces them to watch the blah blah blah. Wonder what that will do to his approval rating among his own base... already 1 in 4 Liberals want to bag him... that'll go up....

Dear Mr. President:

You now know that for congressional Republicans their scheduled votes to enact their wish list from ALEC is more important than anything you have to say or anything you're trying to accomplish. We the American people already knew that. It's time -- past time to act accordingly. You're dealing with a radical fringe who refuses to negotiate on anything. Quit pretending they're reasonable people who just need to be approached in the right way.

Sincerely,

John B, Des Moines, IA

NJNB -- Glad to hear everyone ok. That said....

C'mon....not the "green" argument again. YIkes.

At this point, it doesn't seem to make any difference. Everyone already knows that congress is not going to work with the administration on anything.

Alan NJ: I'll bet you $100 he did.

Actually Obama got snookered. He wanted his speech on Wednesday, but missed the fact the GOP Debate had been scheduled for months at that very same day/time. Obama had a choice to make. Move the speech to the following night and conflict with the huge NFL opening game, or wait another week. Waiting wasn't an option, Obama has gotten so much criticism for delaying his "Big Important Speech" until after his vacation, he couldn't delay it any longer.

Obama had another option. Just give the speech from his office. But that doesn't work because this is not a "Jobs Speech", this is a campaign speech. And seeing Obama is running against Congress, what better place to give the speech, but in Congress!! Trouble is now, Obama will lose half his audience to the football game. The man is an absolute dolt.

Obama is the "only adult in the room?"

Obama talks about gamemanship and then childishly games the right by trying to schedule his address on a date set for months?

Or is his excuse that he is just that clueless and didn't realize the repubs had people running for president?

Or is he such a narcissist that he feels his desires trump everything else?

And seriously ....... an address to Congress for a plan he should have come up with 900 days ago?

He starts wars without even going to Congress, he changes the immigration law without going to Congress, he installs Cap and Trade without going to Congress, he installs card check without going to Congress.

So now he wants to go before Congress - complete political gamesmanship.

An address that will simply be a rehash, the same lame puke and demogoguery he always spews ......does he not have any clue that NO ONE EVEN LISTENS TO OBAMA ANYMORE - he's almost irrelevant ...... and he wants to preempt the NFL season? Yea that is going to win a lot of fans for the blowhard.

Are you ready for some football?

America is - if you are want to watch games - the Packers and the Saints are much better.

The funny thing is - they both have plans.

People tune in to see them execute their plans - not talk about them for 900 days.

@Beverly & Feisty -- At one point I am sure your posts were logical from your point of view (include Ms. Navy who is absent today), but your constant rants, vulgar language, attempts to be cute, etc. has rendered them moot. I believe both of you to be intelligent but you fail to come up with your own thoughts and ideas. You wait for others to say something about a subject, add a few words and then cut & paste. How about some thoughtful discussions on what a jobs bill should include; or the one cent proposals submitted by both a Republican & Democrat in Congress -- how would they work and/or benefit this country. But no. Your feeders of information have not come up with points to destroy those ideas. It's a shame because you probably have something to add to discussions if presented in a civil fashion. Just sayin'.

@JohnB -- so you are saying two wrongs make a right?

JOE an NJNB -- The Solyndra loan guarantees were pushed by Bush as well. As I said before it's called weeding out the weak entities in this sector. None the less it is being investigated so we shall see.

Ron, well said; your entire comment hits the nail on the head.

It is baloney, President Obama did not "blink". Boehner and the GOPTP took the bait; Boehner missed the opportunity to have a Presidential prime-time address be the lead-in to the GOPTP debate. Obama knows that a whole lot more people will be watching the NFL Season opener than will be watching the GOPTP debate. It is perfect timing because most likely, Obama's address will be bumped up 30-60 minutes and be the lead-in for football--more people will watch.

Actually Obama got snookered.

That was the real agenda from the beginning. Boehner agreed to this timing in a private phone call, then in his public statement refused the request. His justification was "I only had 1/2 hour to respond" but that's ridiculous. His INTENT FROM THE BEGINNING was to attempt to publicly embarrass the President of the United States. Again Mr. President, you are not dealing with honorable individuals. Stop acting as if you are.

Mixed Bag

Too bad...NBC's coverage of the 2011 NFL season opener next Thursday night would have been a nice diversion...a harmless, brief bit of escapism from the nation's economic woes.

Instead (ironically), we'll also get a Presidential address on the nation's economic woes.

Still...it's nice that this is happening to the Obama Network, NBC.

That might be the most ironic element of the entire fiasco

Certainly the most entertaining element.

Hey, Bag boy if I were the President this would be my message for you and the other nut jobs.

I can't can’t force you haters to respect me. I'm not an angry Black man so I can't bust a cap in you a**. However, I've will speak before kick off.

Enjoy the game. God bless America and keep us save safe from Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and the rest of the GOP/ T-baggers nuts.

Come on, Dont Carry it All-

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-collapse-waste-half-billion-obama-gop-critics/t/story?id=14424323

George Kaiser, major Obama donor.

There is, was, and will never be a Bush connection. These loans were first brought up as shady last May- they were made outside of usual protocols.

Obama used stimulous funds as a slush fund to pay off his major donors. There was never any "push" by the Buah administration for this company- or any of the others Obama made, so generously, with our money.

There oughtmto be a special prosecutor investigating this, and other taxpayer funded boondoggles that benefitted Obama donors.

Somehow, I doubt it will happen.

Dear Mr. President Obama,

Why are you wasting time and money gathering a joint session of Congress for just another campaign speech? We have heard it all before and we are tired of the same old talk. I am not sorry that I will misss your live address but I will be watching a football game. I do hope you enjoy your retirement after 2012. I am sorry that your hope and change thing didn't work out for the country, I actually did hope you would be more of a uniter but you proved to be one of the most devisive Presidents I have ever seen. Again, enjoy your retirement.

Reposting because it is a proactive opportunity. Great news:

Petition the government online coming soon:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/09/01/us/politics/AP-US-White-House-Online-Petitions.html?_r=1&hp

I wish the first people to lose their jobs in America would be the people who never voted for at least one Republican and Democrat in their voting history, and who have been voting for at least 10 years.

Gridlock? Not at all. After overwhelming rejection by voters in 2010 of Obama's big government, big spending, regulate business to death policies conservative members of Congress actually are LISTENING to hard working citizens.

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WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Obama's approval rating is the same as his uncle's blood alcohol level.

Thank you Bev and Jody for your shout out. I hadn't planned to comment today, but the media's substandard reporting of the story changed my mind.

Actually, Obama did blink. It was, no doubt, a test to see whether he could continue to roll over the repubs. Now, we know that there is hope that they won't. For Obama to even propose the date was ludicrous. But, that's what you get from a narcissist who is totally clueless. He still believes he is the chosen one and all he has to do is speak and all will bow.

Now, on the the next phase, listening to the same ol' blather coming out of his mouth that he knows the repubs won't go along with and that the country can't afford. The people are no longer buying his efforts to buy votes. Only the union members are the ones supporting him because they are part and parcel to the money laundering scheme.

Bev: "If I were the President"........

God help us all.

John B, Des Moines, IA: Boehner agreed to this timing in a private phone call

More fantasies on Liberal Island. Now you're somehow privy to private phone calls John Boy? You really need some serious rehab from your MSLSD addiction John. What they're telling you there is not the truth.

"Less than 12 hours after announcing that President Obama would deliver his much anticipated jobs speech on Sept. 7 — the same day and time of a previously scheduled Republican presidential debate in California — the White House changed course, shifting the speech to Sept. 8".

"Reaction was swift — with Republicans crowing that the president had caved and some Democrats grumbling privately about the mishandling of such a basic piece of political planning".

"But Obama and his political team were smart to reschedule the event for (at least) three reasons".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/why-president-obama-was-smart-to-reschedule-his-jobs-speech/2011/08/31/gIQAluDJtJ_blog.html

"1. No one wins a process fight: If Obama had doubled down on the Sept. 7 date, the coverage leading up to the speech would have focused heavily — if not exclusively — on the process (why the White House had done it, etc.) of the speech rather than the policy of it. Process battles, while beloved by reporters, are rarely a good thing for politicians and policy-makers. (See the health care debate and the fight over raising the debt ceiling.) Obama wants and needs to begin to build momentum — from a policy and a political perspective — from this speech, and turning it into a process story would be the exact wrong way to do that".

"2. Get the last word: If Obama had stuck to Sept. 7, it would have allowed every Republican presidential candidate a real-time opportunity to respond (and criticize) his proposal. The coverage of the speech would be inter-mingled with coverage of the debate, meaning that Obama's preferred message would be decidedly muddled. By waiting a day, Obama can more tightly control his message and get the last word (or close to it) of what will be a pivotal week in the presidential race".

"3. Pick your audience: Given House Speaker John Boehner's (Ohio) resistance to putting the speech on Sept. 7 and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint's promise to block such a move, Obama would likely have had to give the speech from the Oval Office if he wanted to deliver it next Wednesday. (The logistics of setting up such a major speech somewhere out in the country are daunting and not something the White House would likely have done.) Some of Obama's least effective addresses have been from the Oval Office, and his team knows it. They wanted him to speak to a joint session of Congress for a reason — to send a powerful visual and rhetorical message that he can't solve the economic problems of the country alone. To walk away from that preferred backdrop simply to prove a point makes no political sense".

Look people all the TP/GOP is doing is showing the American People how repugnant and arrogant they really are. This little move by Boehner will come back to bite him.

The stage is set, the storm is brewing and soon this whole mess is really going to blow up. The TP/GOP is flexing muscle they do not have and writing checks that they cannot cash.

Time will tell.

Ben-636050

@Beverly & Feisty --

I believe both of you to be intelligent but you fail to come up with your own thoughts and ideas. You wait for others to say something about a subject, add a few words and then cut & paste. How about some thoughtful discussions on what a jobs bill should include; or the one cent proposals submitted by both a Republican & Democrat in Congress --

Sure, Benny boy

No taxes for the rich. Enough?

Obama too "busy" in Martha's Vinyard to pick up the phone and call Boehner 3rd in line to the Presidency

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Obama raids American Icon Gibson Guitar, a non Union shop, costing them $$$ MILLIONS in legal fees instead of jobs, same attack on Boeing for daring to try to hire in a non union state.

End the era of Chicago thuggery in Washington DC in 2012

So now it's during the Packer game???? Bad move man bad move.

@Bev -- Thanks you made my point. However, a discussion on tax reform would be a good debate as well.

There is no free lunch in the economy, and every dollar used by government to "create" a job is a dollar ultimately taken out of the private sector. Those dollars taken out of the economy are not available for consumer spending and private investment because they were siphoned off to "create" a job for someone else

This is perhaps the biggest Republican lie of all of them. It ignores basic economic fact completely. It assumes that those people hired and payed as a result of that "created" job will not spend their paycheck. It ignores the fact that "created" infrastructure jobs are in fact contracts with private sector companies who in the end "create" the job. The government in fact sells nothing, and takes no profit, nothing is removed from the private sector at all the private sector is in fact enriched. But wait, the lie gets even better

So while some lucky guy or gal is happy because they got a job "created" by the government, their happiness is balanced by the misfortune of other folks who didn't get the job they might have gotten because consumers and businesses had less money to spend to generate economic activity.

So which consumers and businesses have less money here? Consumers are in fact benefited when the government, which Republicans conveniently forget is US, create infrastructure jobs. Your neighbor may be the one working to repair that road, or the leaking water pipes under the street, or the bridge of the railroad tracks. He will likely spend his paycheck, maybe at the supermarket where you work.

Republicans correctly oppose this sleight of hand nonsense, and will likely continue to do so. But they will do so on the basis of bedrock conservative principles, not their presumed electoral prospects.

And this is perhaps the biggest bowl of cheek chili that you are going to see today. The only slight of hand is what the right is trying to feed America. Let me remind you of your "bedrock" principals. Corporations are people. All of the wealth should be in the hands of the top 2% of earners as they know what the peons need. Regulating corporate greed is a bad thing. Bubbles are good, republicans make lots of money from them. And last, but certainly not least, A Black Man Should Never Ever Be President.

Good morning kiddies.

The President requested a meeting of a joint session of Congress to discuss his jobs program. Whether by intent or by accident it conflicted with the GOP/TP/LDS debates. Eeek. I do not find it compelling that the President may, or may not have picked that date on purpose. It is not important. Job creation is important. Isn't that what the GOP/TP/LDS was screaming last Fall?

Here is what I think is important and of significance which supports the articles' premise that nothing has changed.

Instead of handling this like a gentleman and contacting the White House privately Speaker Boehner had to make this a George Wallace moment and stand at the doors to Congress with his arms crossed and publicly state "They shall not pass."

Why?

And why would Chuck Todd have his panties in a wad about it? It's not his job to say who gets airtime and when, it just his job to COVER the event. He doesn't have a dog in this fight, folks. Or does he? God how I miss Tim Russert.

Here's my recommendation: The President should respectfully decline the Speaker's kind offer and schedule an address to the nation on September 7 to outline his jobs proposal to the people of the United States.

If NBC chooses not to cover the President's Nation-wide address and go on with their little debate. Fine. I'm sure ABC and CBS will broadcast his address and allow NBC to use their video after the fact. They do that kind of stuff everyday.

Barack H. Obama is the President of the United States. We are a country with an unemployment rate in excess of 8%, that is a staggering amount of Americans who are without jobs. I think his jobs proposal trumps a bunch of poseurs and wannabes hands down.

Mr. President, schedule your address to the NATION, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, those who are most in need of jobs, health care and a chance at the American dream. Let the GOP/TP/LDS talk to themselves if they can't be bothered to listen.

America Held Hostage, day 244. Perhaps we should ask the UN for help.

Obama/Biden 2012

Dont_Carry

The important thing about the Solyndra story is that it provides one example of Obama actually being right about something.

Obama said Solyndra represented the future of green energy jobs.

Yep ..... can't make it even with big government mandates and tax payer money.

Don't_carry_it_all

I believe your wrong about Solyndra. I don't think any loans were "pushed" under the Bush administration. I believe that Solyndra "applied" for loans under the Bush administration. Then the loans were approved under the Obama administration, after Solyndra spent $930,000.00 lobbying. There was, or is, an investigation going on regarding why the company was given the money to begin with. The Obam administration is said to have "bypassed measures meant to protect taxpayers in awarding the large loan guarantee to Solyndra" as reported in Watch News. So we haven't heard the end of this story yet. Don't believe everything you read on MSNBC abiut this being started under Bush.

NJNB -- I know you would rather China be the leader in the "green" sector but I happen to feel we need to reduce our energy dependence by all means.

Navy: Good to see you this morning. As usual, we are on the same page. Your comments are spot-on.

Ron, well said. Chuck Todd on the Daily Rundown, had himself in knots trying to spin this as a big problem, it is getting harder and harder for him and for Andrea Mitchell to hid their political leanings.

I think the President and the WH were pretty slick how they played this, They, I believe, didn't wanted his jobs bill to be fodder for the GNOP debate, as it surely would have been. They proposed the same date, knowing Boehner would say no. Now we have the scene set, once again the right says no, and others are worried about a football game, while the President is trying to get a jobs bill proposed to help the American people.

So keep playing chess Mr President, the right doesn't even know how to play checkers!

Obama/Biden 2012

Nashville_fan

This morning on Moring Joe-ke, I heard John Meacham say that President Obama’s problem was that he was “unable to bend reality”.

Huh?

As fate would have it, it turns out that Rush Limbaugh was right about something after all . . . President Obama had better morph into a reality bending “magic Negro” at some point soon, or there really is no hope.

dear gop, just say obama is uppity. you know you want to.

#WhoDoesHeThinkHeIsRight

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23WhoDoesHeThinkHeIsRight

JH and Bob -- Like I said it is being investigated. Enough said. See my post to NJNB about China. Conceding in this or any area to another Country is not in my DNA. Pretty competitive and love my Country.

Let's get a clue here. The President did this to himself. I heard two former White House aids(Bush and Clinton) on TV this morning. Traditionally, the White House gives congress 2 or 3 dates. Then congress informs the White House which dates works best for their schedule. This is the traditional bi-partisan way of scheduling. The President just informed congress he would do it on next Wednesday which didn't correspond with a good date for congress. The Speaker informed the White House of this and suggested the next day. Both former aids wondered why the White House tried to pick a fight on something this trivial. The White House knew the date of the debate and the speaker wouldn't agree to that date. So why pick a fight?

@Amused in the Midwest -- wrong on all counts, and rather simplistically so I might add. I addressed all your issues at some length in yesterday's First Thoughts post 4.0 and will not repeat it here.

Gingerbread Mamma: You are one politically saavy lady. I agree with your every word. Our President did know what he was doing.

Nothing more than campaign gamesmanship. Jerk some chains, stir the pot, ruffle some feathers, get both side's attention.

Make sure the safety bar is down and locked, kids, this election is gonna be an E-ticket ride!!

Mr. President

Decline the Speaker's offer and make your presentation to the people of the United States in a Nationally Televised address on September 7th. If the GOP/TP/LDS can't be bothered to listen, well, that's not surprising. Jobs was just a wedge issue to them and they've moved on. They don't care about the American people, that is abundantly clear.

THEN, just to show there are no hard feelings, invite the Speaker over to watch the NFL opening game with you at the White House on the 8th.

America Held Hostage, day 244

Obama/Biden 2012

"Picking up where they left off a month ago… The spat epitomized Team Obama’s communication struggles and its over-willingness to accommodate and compromise… And it epitomized the House Republicans’ continued pettiness…"

And of course, FR doesn't take sides, right?

With such a poorly disguised attempt to upstage the Republican debates, 'Team Obama' is 'over-willing to accommodate and compromise'?

Thanks for my morning laugh.

"Look people all the TP/GOP is doing is showing the American People how repugnant and arrogant they really are. This little move by Boehner will come back to bite him.

The stage is set, the storm is brewing and soon this whole mess is really going to blow up. The TP/GOP is flexing muscle they do not have and writing checks that they cannot cash.

Time will tell."

GREAT Navy

Bob and JH -- Would you rather Wall Street continue their quest in creating products....you know like mortgage derivatives???? Or would you like to see real companies with new products innovating to create real products of value to society as a whole? The green sector is not a republican or democratic based market. If we use your logic we should never innovate because it might not succeed. Jeez, that outlook is the antithesis of what this country was founded on....bold initiatives and ideas like railroads, dams, airplanes, computers, Internet etc.

Die Tea Party! Die Party of 'No Compromise'!!!!

Mr. President

Decline the Speaker's offer and make your presentation to the people of the United States in a Nationally Televised address on September 7th. If the GOP/TP/LDS can't be bothered to listen, well, that's not surprising. Jobs was just a wedge issue to them and they've moved on. They don't care about the American people, that is abundantly clear.

This is the fantasy world the Liberals live in. The date for Obama lecture to Congress is decided, it's Sep/08. Obama has agreed to it. It's a done deal. But the Left, they continue their "thought" process of what Obama SHOULD do, but never does.

The Liberals are so disappointed in reality, they have to continue to live in their make believe world so the world makes some kind of sense to them.

6:20 am CST Morning Joe on MSDNC – Chuck Todd – (paraphrased) I think the White House could have followed better protocol on this (Mr. Obama demanding campaign speech time in front of joint Congress). The Obama administration has caved once again and will go up against the Saints & the Packers.

Mr. Todd, continuing with this gem….

The West Wing is very frustrated with the economy and cannot wait to start campaigning again. (Go figure….Campaigner-in-Chief never stops…good one!)

Absolute, total incompetence. As in all of life, you get what you pay for. Junior Senator with NO experience gets hired to do a man’s job.

Mr. Obama didn’t stand a chance. Lean Forward Baby!

Dont,

I know you would rather China be the leader in the "green" sector but I happen to feel we need to reduce our energy dependence by all means.

Obama is well on the way to ceding our #1 economic ranking to China.

Obama has ceded our position as the world's leader in space. China will be the new power.

He has begun the process of ceding our position as the most powerful military power to China.

And you are worried about light bulbs and solar tubes?

Pretty funny. Do you think China cares 4 cents about green energy ..... how many coal plants do they open every week?

They simply create a business friendly environment, our companies move over there and they steal our technology as they create jobs for themselves.

Asinine.

You want energy independence for centuries?

Tell Obama to pull his head out of his green azz and stop the war on the fossil energy industry.

no joe, no bo, NJ: I am glad to see hear you and yours made it through Irene and the aftermath. Kids are great, they'll roll with anything. One year our power went out for three days, the kids went to the nearest public pool or to their friends home in the next town over. Do you use propane or do you go for what some people call a "real fire", charcoal ?

As to the children in Washington, I am so sick of this crap, I have now joined the throw them all out group. It is far past time for these politicians to grow up and act like adults. There are real problems in the real world, get over yourselves and get some work done!!!

ROY WILSON-336103

"Picking up where they left off a month ago… The spat epitomized Team Obama’s communication struggles and its over-willingness to accommodate and compromise… And it epitomized the House Republicans’ continued pettiness…"

And of course, FR doesn't take sides, right?

With such a poorly disguised attempt to upstage the Republican debates, 'Team Obama' is 'over-willing to accommodate and compromise'?

Do you think the "Party of No" tag line came out of thin air or something? They earned every letter of that moniker.

I am a former Republican turned independent. I have some influence in local politics and I will work as hard as I can to see that every republican rep in Washington is defeated. I have many friends who reflect the opinion that the Republican party is the part;y of obstructionism. The tactics they use since the inclusion of the religious right and/or the TeaBagers have by any standards become extreme. They have become something other than the Republican party, the party I belonged to for 40 yrs. There are no excuses for their excesses or obfuscation of their power in the House. I do not believe the Majority of the voters want this to continue, but until we show them that it is we the people who have the power and not them this farcical congress will continue to exist. Rise up people of common sense and do your duty

Gingerbread Mamma: You are one politically saavy lady. I agree with your every word. Our President did know what he was doing.

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I believe in the concept of taking a lemon and making lemonade.

But, being forced to swallow cat piss and declaring it a fine French wine is just ridiculous!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOANNA 1 -- Here is an island for you. You may be happy there but then again....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

Dont_carry_it_call:

The tax code scares people. A long time ago when the earth was new and I was going to college, I did returns for my fellow students; simple short forms and a few regular 1040's (the ez hadn't come along, yet.) For most folks, returns really aren't that complicated. Follow the directions step by step and you'll get it done. It's not fun, but it's really not that hard. Still, it scares so many people they refuse to understand how it works. I point that out because misinformation and much disinformation about the tax code abounds simply because people are too afraid of the code.

For starters, anyone who pays taxes has collected their tax payment from someone else. Taxpayers are actually tax collectors for the government. Mind you now, this isn't opinion, this is fact. It's not just corporations, it's partnerships, single proprietorships, employees, right down to little old ladies who receive income from their bank accounts.

Loopholes - or whatever else you may choose to call them - also apply to all taxpayers. It may be the standard deduction, child care credit, mortgage interest deduction, depreciation, or any of a huge host of others. Loopholes are what allow us to reduce our tax liability. Loopholes are what allow GE to pay no taxes, they are what allow someone to receive a refund even though they paid no taxes at all, and if we don't have enough, it's why we write a check to the IRS. The tax code is a tool for collecting revenues for running government AND for influencing financial as well as social change; think 401(k) and 501(c)(3) for instance.

This is the root of the spending/revenue collection debate. While government budgets are very different from the budgets of households and businesses, they do have some very important commonalities; most important - ya gotta pay for what you buy.

You propose a budget - what you are going to spend. Then you figure out how to get the money you need. The government has a number of methods, which are enumerated in the Constitution. The biggie is of course the 16th Amendment - income tax.

I wish I could say I have the answers to this solution, but I don't. I do have some suggestions. First, everyone must be vested in the system. That means somehow you have to pay something, even something as little as a dollar. You cannot believe that government is free. (A little story. I used to teach what they call "at-risk" kids. I insisted that there was no such thing as a free lunch. Really? Many of them live with Grandma. She went to the mailbox a couple times a month, and presto-change-o, there was a check. It's pretty hard to believe there's no free lunch when you see that.)

Employers should pay in cash. Picture this. Employee goes to pick up pay for 40 hours of work at minimum wage, say $7.50 per hour. Employer hands employee $300 on Friday. Oh wait! I'll need your FICA and FICA Med contribution. That'll be 7.65% - $22.95 please! I'll need your fed and state withholding. We have to know that government is not free.

If we are going to tax income, we have to stop with this nonsense about earned income, unearned income, capital gains rates, and all that other BS. Income is income.

As you can see, this could get very detailed and you can see virtually everyone is going to have their ox gored and their sacred cow butchered. So, to make a long story short, you set your budget and match your expenditures with you income. You can get the flexibility you need with a surtax option over and above a progressive tax rate.

Loopholes? Well, really they have to go, but it won't happen. No one has the guts to take away the deduction for church salvation payments. No one has the guts to take away exemptions for breeding.

None of this will happen of course. It's like everything else. Raise taxes......but on someone else.

Dont_carry_it_all

I don't care one bit about Wall Street. I DO want to see American companies produce products. I, in fact, own a manufacturing company. Please don't assume Im against innovation and creation of new products just because I called you on your statement of the Solyndra contract being "pushed' by the Bush administration. They "applied" for a grant under the Bush administration. They got the grant under the Obama administration after hundreds of millions in lobbying money was spent. I am a conservative who believes strongly in this country. When a news report comes out that a company that received millions from the Obama administration is closing up shop we all of the sudden hear that Bush was involved too. I don't always believe what I read and I will question people who jump on the "bash the other side" band wagon. We'll just have to wait and see what the investigation shows.

Someone has to counter the far left posters on this FR site. I have never seen so many lefties gathered in one place.

Low liberal Limbo still going strong, what is the fear when it come to the tea party? If the tea party is no big deal and that it is not worth the time of day, why do libs go nuts over it. They must be scared, and that is the truth. Liberals number are down to under 30% and still falling. Tea Party is gaining and growing and they are becoming a strong force that is changing America. Obama is feeling the power of a grass roots movement, and can not stop it!

Beverly in Chicago

Hey, Bag boy if I were the President this would be my message for you and the other nut jobs.

I can't can’t force you haters to respect me. I'm not an angry Black man so I can't bust a cap in you a**. However, I've will speak before kick off.

Enjoy the game. God bless America and keep us save safe from Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and the rest of the GOP/ T-baggers nuts.

LMAO!!! Holy smokes! Let me dig out my Olvatine Secret Decoder Ring so as I may decipher the Bev Babes EBONIC rant!....lol

P.S. blatant racism will not allow YOU to ever be president.

You have to learn how to conceal it like Mr. Obama (Think beer summit) ;)

Ah Bob, if only I had the power to whisper in Presidents' ears..... that's funny! Look, I have no problem with drilling as long as eminent domain isn't imposed for it and safe, careful extracting rules are enforced. I love our National Parks the way they are so leave them alone.

Do I think China cares about being green.....well today an article about the higher ups in Beijing coming down hard on Apple parts factories and pollution. Before long they will be touting more green and less pollution and all those multinationals will be forced to move their pollutions to another third world entity willing to wallow in filth for a dollar. Steal our technology....I'm with you on that one --- OUTRAGEOUS!!!

Post #1.1 Another post with no sign of human Intelligence...Direct from the DNC....

Mark and Domenico:

While your aticle was interesting, it is a flawed analysis. And so are many other comments here, although Navy's citation from the Washington Post covered a lot of the same ground I was about to write.

What is the flaw? The House schedule as set by Boehner for coming back from a 5-week legislative vacation.

The President, choosing to take his proposals directly to Congree, and thus also put the American nation as a whole in the audience to see whether the Republicans will take up the challenges seriously, only had two choices to begin with - Wednesday or Thursday.

Boehner set that schedule. Monday is Labor Day, a national holiday. Tuesday and part of Wednesday are travel and settling-back-in days. Congress finally reconvenes very late on Wednesday. It meets for a full day's session on Thursday, and again is in recess Friday.

The President had no options in this matter. It may or may not have been coincidental that in the process President Obama would upstage of the Republican debate, or else conflict with the NFL debut (something he obviously did not wish to do if avoidable). But the pressing needs of the nation certainly justified the President's wise choice to deliver a vital message directly into the hands of the Members of Congress, in joint session assembled.

As I have posted on two earlier threads, Boehner leads a Republican-dominated House that has a very poor work ethic. His schedule is three weeks of "work" out of every four - but not too much "work." Mondays usually do not involve any floor business. Fridays are recess days. Tuesday through Thursday the GOP/TP engages in posturing, squabbling and attempting to dismantle the government. I wrote before last year's election that the Tea Party's main interest was in NOT governing. That's been demonstrated amply thus far this year.

The President did not "cave" to the Speaker. He made his choices according to a timetable already set by Boehner. Now the Speaker's rudeness, arrogance and dedication to getting the most out of his country club membership has given Mr. Boehner, and all the Republicans by extension, a really nasty-looking mouse over their right eyes.

Dont,

Or would you like to see real companies with new products innovating to create real products of value to society as a whole?

Incredible new innovations ARE being made ........ in the fossil fuel industry. We have more natural energy than any country on the planet...... centuries of independence.

Energy is the life blood of the economy. It is a potential provider for millions of new jobs. It is a source of great revenue for the feds. It provides national security. It reduces our foreign trade defecit.

Can the green industry do any of the above?

Nope - not ONE. It might some day.

Thankfully we have centuries to figure it out ..... as long as we don't destroy today for some diaphanous dream of tomorrow.

If we use your logic we should never innovate because it might not succeed. Jeez, that outlook is the antithesis of what this country was founded on....bold initiatives and ideas like railroads, dams, airplanes, computers, Internet etc.

Sheez ...... the government invent the steam engine for those choo-choos? Did some government technocrat invent the airplane or a couple of guys in a bicycle shop?

Dams? Beavers can build dams.

Get the government out of the way and let Americans rebuild America to what it was before the big government statist came along.

ed: Nice try, but no one believes a word of it. People who love freedom and our country don't suddenly turn into socialists who are hellbent on destroying the country. If you were ever a repub, then you would have some understanding of economics, politics and history. In fact, all you'd have to do is read very current daily news to understand that running up a deficit like we have and trying to run it up even further is a no-brainer catastrophe! The value of the dollar has been sinking so fast against other currencies, currencies that are in trouble themselves. This will lead to the dollar no longer being the "world currency." Once that happens, then everything we've taken for granted in this country changes. And it most certainly will not be for the better. The party of "NO" is the best hope to save this country. It's a cute little slogan devised by the left. But, in reality it means NO TO DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!

Everything Obama has done since taking office hasn't worked. Doing more of the same is insanity.

Just a question for you: Why do you feel you have to lie to get make your point. Why can't you just come out and say : The country is going great thanks to Obama and I want more of it!? Heck, even with all the libs on this board, no one is praising Obama. Heck, even Obama and his advisers apparently realize they can't run on his record, so their tactic to win is the scorched earth policy of trying to destroy everyone and their families who tries to stand up against him. Fortunately, the public is waking up to his destructiveness. It's funny, because this little spat over the speech is a clear example of his pettiness. Those who have labeled him a "man-child" are being proven right! There is no other explanation for his choosing the night of the Republican debate to attempt to give his speech. Absolutely NONE! Enjoy your pettiness while real men and women try to save the country.

Skippy- the President CANNOT just go ahead and address Congress- doesn't work that way. Addresses in front of Congress is by invitation only- period. One must be invited- including the President. He can request- but the Congress gives the final okay on anything done there.

The only thing Obama could do to get his message on 9/7 now would be to do it from the Oval Office- which he can't because you and I both know this will be a campaign speech and that is not allowed from the Oval Office. Obama is in FULL campaign mode now- no time to think about jobs! Just throw money we don't have at it- it will go away on its own- or some version of that will be the thoughts of the day for the speech. You will hear the word "investment" probably a dozen times as well. Just trying to sell the plan because it won't go on its own.

But why didn't he just move it UP one day to 9/6? Yes, it would have given the GOP ammunition- but if Obamas message is so darned important (after 950+ days of blah, blah, blah...) shouldn't he get it out ASAP?

Why? because he knows the GOP will have a field day with everything he says- because there will be nothing of substance- just rhetoric and hyperbole and a lot of the same ol' same ol'...

Besides- I think even Obama wants to watch the debates so he can see who the next POTUS will be!

244 days since the shutdown of the Liberal agenda.

Anyone BUT Obama (or Biden, or Pelosi, or Reid, or Hillary) in 2012!

Where are the jobs? Where are the jobs? Where are the jobs?

Oh, you have a plan President Obama. Sorry we are too busy to hear about jobs. Perry the leader of the Army of God to herd us to the rapture is going to speak and you know that is more important than jobs, jobs, jobs, that we have been asking about for months now.

Republicans want to kill social security and that is much more important than jobs.

Republicans are not worried about jobs, but they sure are worried about playing games and making sure the rich get more tax cuts. The tax cuts have created so many jobs already in the last 11 years, I am not sure that we need any more jobs. Right?

Obama raids American Icon Gibson Guitar, a non Union shop, costing them $$$ MILLIONS in legal fees instead of jobs, same attack on Boeing for daring to try to hire in a non union state.

Multiply these ATTACKS by the 100,000 NEW BUREAUCRATS Obama hired since 2008 and it becomes OBVIOUS that THERE WILL BE NO RECOVERY until VOTERS FIRE OBAMA and CONGRESS SHUTS DOWN the BUREAUCRACIES just have the DOJ PROSECUTE VIOLATIONS of DULY PROMULGATED LAWS isn't that WHAT THE DOJ IS THERE FOR?

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A "recession" is when your neighbor loses his job. "depression" when you lose your job, "recovery" when Obama loses his job

David Walker: very well said!!! Did you know that when the individual income tax was initiated, it consisted of a four pages, including one page of instructions.

What is amazing about tax rules is that, until recently, the government used to raise taxes whenever a war required additional funds to pay for it. WWII, Korea, Vietnam all had tax rates in excess of 90%. George W. Bush is the only President to go to war and not pay for it. Is there any wonder why we have the debt we have today?

John A. : The President had no options in this matter.

He could give the speech tonight. Or last night. Or last week. Or before he went on vacation. He could post it on Youtube, postit on this blog, email to everyone on his campaign list, give a speech on it in Elkhart Indiana, go the the Martin Luther King Memorial and give it there. Obama can do just about anything he wants, but chooses instead to conflict with the opening game of the NFL season.

Kind of pathetic of Obama.

President Obama just set the agenda for the Republican debate and controlled the timing. The GOP candidates will be required to address the economy and jobs - that is the 'news' item of the moment. Dodging the issue during the debate will be too obvious. And John Huntsman is going to address the economy and jobs with his plan - so the leading candidates must respond.

The GOP candidates will be 'on record' with their debate presentations. President Obama can present his plan knowing what the GOP is proposing OR can snipe at how the GOP is dodging the economy and jobs. And the President will be speaking in prime time during the NFL game - if scheduled properly, the President will have a huge audience. The President wants to speak to interested voters and they will certainly choose the President over football. Disinterested voters are unimportantant in a political fight.

The President is controlling this debate, so far. I do not believe the President 'blinked' - I believe he got exactly what he wanted. This is a pure political fight. The President is engaging the GOP on his terms.

Bob -- Look I agree green isn't the only answer it is one of many needed. Government certainly promoted some of those ideas and in some cases designed and funded some of the above things I mentioned that benefited the multitudes thus expanding markets and growth. Private capital and investments help and in many cases partnership with government. They are always asking for a hand out from government. It's called co-dependency. : )

Oil companies also use green energy subsides/credits.

We spend billions of tax dollars on "green" energy- which is inefficient, costly, and more subject to failure than oil derricks are to spills- and ignore the science

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/08/26/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled/

So, it turns out that big yellow gas giant is responsible for the earth's temperature. Go figure.

It also turns out that the climate is cyclical- like the hole in the ozone layer, (when was the last time you heard about that? There's a reason- it's closed.). Like the desalinization of the oceans- which has, oops, reversed.

No wonder Al Gore is having public temper tantrums- he was supposed to get a royalty check for every carbon credit transfer. Would have made him the richest man in the universe- so much so that he bought that new house in an area he proclaimed would be under water by now.

So,. Can we just cut the comedy and go back to extracting and utilizing dirt- which is what oil is, as it is created from the decomposition of organic matter- and let the flat earth society scream all they want?

After all, we have scientific proof that their religion is simply bunk.

Well, Mr. Chuck Todd, just exactly how do the Republicans come away from this "looking bad"?

The debate has been scheduled for months.....buildings and rooms reserved, transportation arranged, etc. All of a sudden, The Great Speechmaker has to make yet another one, and it HAS to be at the same time as the scheduled debate. Sounds to me like either:

1. A "slick" trick by some sly fox like David Azzholerod just backfired bigtime.

2. The administration is so thoroughly inept that they didn't realize the debate was happening.

Have no fear Joanna -

Mr. Obama's campaign speech will NOT be conflicting with the NFL opener...I'm a political junkie and even I wouldn't miss the Saints vs the Pack on opening night for something I can catch later in the millions of reruns.

lol...never thought of it that way before....Obama = Rerun

FeistyRed

WHY is this the first time in history that a Presidents request to speak was DENIED?

That's the bigger story here....

So so predictable you are (yoda). Just too much. How did you get 2nd today? Somebody at the office beat you to the story?

Speaking of which...so here we are again. Battering out a budget that the Dems could have had all wrapped up almost 2 years ago with a supermajority.

Unexcusable and definately unforgettable in 2012.

This is all a complete tempest in a teapot, urged on by a media that hasn't had anything to feast on for 2 weeks because of vacations. No way we remember this in November 2012.

And the conflict with football -- please, it's New Orleans and Green Bay, two of the smallest media markets in the NFL. NBC won't be sweating that.

Obama knew there was a nationaly telivised debate on Wednesday. Why do you think he chose that day?

JH -- A business owner.....are you hiring?? lol : ) You sound rather reasonable. Let's give all the benefit of doubt until the investigation is finished. Glad to see a manufacturer here we need all perspectives to learn from.

gingerbread....... wow you can spin it frontwards backwards and sidewards!

Die, Die Tea Party! Die Party of No Compromise!!!

and to sound like another 6 year old in the mix..."Obama started it !"

David Thanks for posting your thoughts. Would like to further discuss later if you are around the boards. I have to run a few errands and will be back asap.

And the conflict with football -- please, it's New Orleans and Green Bay, two of the smallest media markets in the NFL. NBC won't be sweating that.

You're kidding, right?!?

NFL season opener with the last two Superbowls Champs going head-to-head vs Obama giving a campaign speech on something that he should have been concentrating on 2 1/2 years ago?

This isn't even close. That must be the Kenya half of him coming out. Completely underestimating the love and passion Americans have for American football.

NJNB will be back later to argue. : )

@ White Collar Auto -- (from #1.6)

You know what's really pathetic? The thought of Republicans expressing phony outrage at being excluded from a Labor Day parade. Having just done their darndest to crush those evil unions, what else would they expect? To be welcomed with open arms and have flowers strewn in their path?

Don't make me laugh.

The fact that they're begging to get in, however, doesn't exactly signal a "loss" for Democrats, unless your radar is slightly -- say 180 degrees -- off. If they're winning, why would they need to curry favor from the powerless?

Don't Carry It All -

David Walker's excellent post on taxes certainly supplied a lot of information. However, in a sense I don't think he quite answered your question. What I understood you to be asking was more of a process question: Do businesses ever really pay a tax? The basic answer is that it depends where in the revenue stream a tax appears.

Those businesses which in fact pay taxes to the IRS (remember, many businesses large and small use various deductions, exemptions, and tax incentives to escape taxes entirely - something the right wing here desperately attempts to suppress) do not always pass along the taxes to customers. That's because if the taxes are levied on net revenues after all expenses, then the taxes are not an element of pricing but a cost of doing business. If, over time, triple-net revenues (meaning after taxes and all other costs are deducted from the firm's income) are too low, then the business must address its pricing and see whether it is feasible to raise the prices. In that sense, eventually some element of the taxes would be passed along, but it may not be possible to raise prices in a competitive environment.

Taxes on dividends, capital gains and other forms of income are not passed along to consumers, either. But a lot of those classes of revenue, as David explained above, have been exempted from taxation or allowed to be classified in a way that shelters the income.

Olddog. Are you as drunk as Obama's uncle already? Its just out of the morning here, how can you be so inebrated already? You have to be drinking teabag juice. Thats the only way I can see you writing this kind of poppycock bs. Don't you worry none, all us people on SS will be at the booths, some of us with IV's but we will be there. Don't you think we have a say in this? Do you seriously think we'll vote in some bozos that want to take our SS away from us. That money should of never been touched, you know that right? But I guess the murderous Cheney figured war was more important than the poor old people of our country, what do you expect to do with us when you leave us pennyless? Well the way I see it I'll go to war with you pricks in my wheelchair if I have too. Good luck on seeing a republican in office now before2024.

This is beyond stupid. Obama wanted to create a conflict. Fair enough, but this is not leadership. The real point here is that Obama doesn't understand how jobs are created and wealth produced. No, that's not it either. The real point is that Obama's SUPPORTERS have no idea how jobs are created and wealth produced. Obama is just a symptom of the larger problem.

Too many Americans--seemingly EVERY liberal and too many conservatives for my liking--think that DC is the genesis of job creation. If the goal were to remove impediments to business development and job creation put in place by DC then I'd agree with the sentiment, but this isn't THEIR sentiment. Their idea is that with more spending to alter the market, with more rules to guide our every behavior, with more subsidies to encourage certain investments over others, that then we will reach the promised land.

Krugman is wrong. Keynes in our present condition is wrong. We cannot have a massive regulatory scheme, higher business taxes than any industrialized nation save one, a run-amok legal system, and an epic failure of an educational system, and still hope for success. Ask yourself something...which party favors more of each of the above (though to be fair they would not qualify each as I have), and which party favors changes to each of the above? You want more of the same? Vote for Obama and the liberals. You want something different? Vote for ANYONE that rejects the false promise of DC exceptionalism.

"In a preview of what's likely to become a common occurrence in the Obama energy strategy, a California manufacturer of solar systems that was financed by a half-a-billion loan through the Obama administration announced that it would seek bankruptcy protection.

1,100 employees lost their jobs immediately by the move, although the administration previously claimed that the company "saved or created" 3,000 jobs with the loan.

In 2010, Solyndra spent $550,000 on lobbying the federal government. In 2011, so far they have spent only $220,000 on lobbying. The administration is likely hopeful that this will teach others not to cut their lobbying budget.

Solyndra employees contributed over $10,000 to various Democrat candidates and committees in 2010 including Harry Reid, Gabrielle Gifford, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Diane Feinstein and Barbra Boxer."

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/09/01/obamas_half-a-billion_green_bankruptcy_just_a_preview

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Obama doubtless will propose giving away $$$ BILLIONS MORE to "green" (read "democrat") companies that will support his reelection. Can hard working citizens AFFORD this CORRUPTION any longer?

WHY is this the first time in history that a Presidents request to speak was DENIED?

Because it is the first time in history a President's request was so blatantly politically motivated. Better luck next time, and it's a certainty there will be a next time just as there have been many previous times.

Had to read quite a few posts before the racist comment was used -- Thanks Beverly, knew we could count on you, navy or feisty to get that talking point covered.

Joe, Albany

You could always spit. Just sayin'.

Anna Molly,

As much as it pains me to disagree with you, I must.

My fair city is the "Halloween Capital of the World"...lol...I know, I know. But by your logic, if I ddn't like pumpkins or witches, I wouldn't or shouldn't be allowed to participate in such parade.

I see how the TP has created jobs. Wasn't that their ticket the last time they ran? Yes it was. Bums all of them, they did nothing to help with jobs because they want Obama failure. I see Obama failure being better than the TP's sucess. Obama in 2012. People on SS will never allow the TP to win again. If the TP would happen to get in get ready for more war again. Get ready to pay $20.00 for a hamburger. Obama and democrats til 2024.

Hi John,

I'm not sure if you've ever owned and/or operated a business, but I have to think your post is based more on academic niceties than business realities. Every business cost, over time, is passed along--taxes included. Whether the direct consumer pays through higher prices is only one way this can occur. Lower quality is another. Smaller quantities is yet another--think snack foods for instance. Automation is another, as workers who are also amazingly consumers lose jobs. Outsourcing is still another, though while you may benefit on the one hand with lower prices you lose potential wealth and job creation.

The plain fact is that every cost must be passed along by a business if it is to remain able to function properly. Too small an ROI and new investment will be difficult to make, or owner rewards difficult to rationalize. But there is an even better reason to stop taxing firms at the federal level. They don't vote, people do. Why should we even want to pass along tax costs to consumers through the business tax unless the goal is to get some level of revenue that some number of voters do not comprehend comes from them? Along with no federal business tax should be an end to all business subsidies--farming price supports, trade preferences, whatever.

If we honestly want a richer future we had better find a way to let the market work and to constrain the growth of government. The fakery of the tax code achieves neither.

Here in Southern California, news stations are reporting that one of the reasons Solyndra is filing for bankruptcy is that there product is too costly, the Chinese make it cheaper and better.

In the article below (not the complete article), complete with link and authors, Jeffrey Immelt says that the EPA and other agencies with there regulations are stifling job creation and economic growth. As I recall the House Republicans want to limit the EPA's influence so we can have economic growth and job creation. That would be a jobs bill which of course sits tabled in the Senate.

By Ashley Blum And Grace Afsari Mamagani, The Dartmouth Staff Published on Friday, August 19, 2011

thedartmouth.com/2011/08/19/news/Immelt

As the energy industry grows, American companies need to develop their natural gas, solar and nuclear energy technologies, Jeffrey Immelt ’78 said Thursday in the penultimate lecture of the Leading Voices in Politics and Policy summer lecture series. Immelt is currently Chief Executive Officer of General Electric, serves as chairperson of President Barack Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness and sits on the College’s Board of Trustees.

Immelt encouraged the U.S. government to establish clearly defined policies regarding energy and the environment without allowing regulation and bureaucracy to slow growth.

Despite the current lack of “appetite” for discussing broad energy policies in the United States, the country needs to focus on a legislative agenda for energy policy in order to compete with Europe, China and India, Immelt said.

Although Immelt said he recognized the important role of the Environmental Protection Agency, he said wanted to see the EPA and other government agencies held accountable for their policies. Immelt said the long and arduous permit process can delay projects for years, limiting economic growth and job creation.

“The role of the regulator is to make it safe,” he said. “It’s not to flip an on or off switch.”

Immelt described himself as a capitalist who supports free markets, and said that the government will always play a role in energy markets.

“At no time and in no country has energy ever been a true free market,” he said.

Government regulation, taxation and investment all affect the energy industry, impacting which technologies gain support, Immelt said. He used nuclear power as an example of an industry that will need government support to develop further, particularly following the recent nuclear meltdown of the Fukushima reactor in Japan.

“If nuclear ever comes back in the U.S., it will only be because the government wants it to,” Immelt said.

On another note, for all these natural disasters that wreak havoc and destruction, since those on welfare and unemployed are available, maybe they can be put to use cleaning up the mess, that way they are actually earning there money and less tax payer money used.

John A.

You always try to sound like such an expert. But you almost always appear to be far left in your assumptions. You say "many businesses large and smal use various deductions, exemptions, and tax incentives to escape taxes entirely" "Something the right wing here desperately attemps to suppress".. Escape taxes? They are exemptions and incentives to the businesses that our lawmakers have determined are good for business. I'll bet most of the regulations were written by democrats over the years. You must keep in mind that the democrats held a majority in Congress in this country for over 50 years until the mid-term elections under Bill Clinton. There were a few years in the 80's that the republicans held slim majority but that is it. The "right wing" is not responsible for what you perceive as bad tax code. The "left wing" just sees money out there right now and they want their hands on it because their policies have stymied business activity in this country. As soon as jobs come back money will start flowing to the treasury again. But the left can't wait.

Your question was "do businesses ever really pay tax?" Most do. There are millions of Sub-chapter S Corps out there. They ALL pay taxes on their net profit. I own one such business. I pay personal income tax on every penny that is considered NET. Even if that money is left in the business account to continue to employ people and keep the business running for the next year. Millions of these smaller businesses are in the sites of the democrats right now. A net profit of $250,000.00 is now considered "rich" by the left. Larger corporations may not pay "personal income tax" but the people who get pay checks from that business do pay income taxes. The tax code is just a scewed upomess but it is what we have to live with. Quit blaming the "right wing" for your problems. The tax codes are not something that were written by the right wing. But I thank the politicians on the right for trying to stop the greedy left from taking more and more from hard working Americans. 250K net profit is not rich when you have employees to support.

jimbob -- You may not recall this in a story by the BBC about Obama's State of the Union Speech last year -- "Jobs must be our number one focus in 2010."

So it seems to have taken from January 2010 to September 2011 to get his plan together so we can see how he will approach his number one focus from last year??

David Walker and John A., excellent posts both of you on the scheduling story. Thanks for your insight.

I was thinking along the same lines and you both put it very well. This is strategy at a much higher level than most realize. Obama really has the Republicans right where he wants them, and on record.

And we will now see if America is more concerned with a Republican debate, a football game, or the country.

If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything , and thats what the left wants the republicans and the t party to do, they want them to fold and give into their dont work policies, and if dont they will cry and call them terriost and whiners, ie Maxine Walters , I would be careful who she is telling to go to hell when she is a bouncer there. So Maxine and the rest of you wanna be's keep your stupidity to yourselves.

Hey Skippy, only a complete moron would pick the same day as the Republican debate in such a heated election season. People want to know the candidates and would watch the debate before they tune in for another session of hot air by obama.

Unless he only wants you first dweeb sheep tuning in he would be well advised to change the date.

Is MSNBC actually trying to make this situation an example of Obama compromising? Seriously?? Wow. How about calling it for what it was - political posturing to upstage the Republican debate that failed miserably for the White House. Does anyone actually believe the White House “forgot” about the debate? C'mon. Perhaps Obama’s administration will schedule another speech on Christmas Day and then “compromise” when he moves it to Dec. 26th to “accommodate” all those extremist Christians.

Yada, yada, yada. Just another day in a Liberal's life.

Leadership can be perceived as a particularly emotion-laden process, with emotions entwined with the social influence process. ^{In an organization, the leader's mood has some effects on his/her group. These effects can be described in 3 levels:emotional contagion. Mood contagion may be one of the psychological mechanisms by which charismatic leaders influence followers.Group affective tone represents the consistent or homogeneous affective reactions within a group. Group affective tone is an aggregate of the moods of the individual members of the group and refers to mood at the group level of analysis. Groups with leaders in a positive mood have a more positive affective tone than do groups with leaders in a negative mood.task strategy. Public expressions of mood impact how group members think and act. When people experience and express mood, they send signals to others. Leaders signal their goals, intentions, and attitudes through their expressions of moods. For example, expressions of positive moods by leaders signal that leaders deem progress toward goals to be good. The group members respond to those signals cognitively and behaviorally in ways that are reflected in the group processes.emotional contagion. Mood contagion may be one of the psychological mechanisms by which charismatic leaders influence followers.Group affective tone represents the consistent or homogeneous affective reactions within a group. Group affective tone is an aggregate of the moods of the individual members of the group and refers to mood at the group level of analysis. Groups with leaders in a positive mood have a more positive affective tone than do groups with leaders in a negative mood.task strategy. Public expressions of mood impact how group members think and act. When people experience and express mood, they send signals to others. Leaders signal their goals, intentions, and attitudes through their expressions of moods. For example, expressions of positive moods by leaders signal that leaders deem progress toward goals to be good. The group members respond to those signals cognitively and behaviorally in ways that are reflected in the group processes.}

The mood of individual group members. Group members with leaders in a positive mood experience more positive mood than do group members with leaders in a negative mood. The leaders transmit their moods to other group members through the mechanism of

The affective tone of the group.

Group processes like coordination, effort expenditure, and

Ooooops. Where does Mr. Obama fit in with #1, #2, and #3. Oh, got it.....negative MOOD.

Yada, yada, yada. Just another day in a Liberal's life.

Leadership can be perceived as a particularly emotion-laden process, with emotions entwined with the social influence process. In an organization, the leader's mood has some effects on his/her group. These effects can be described in 3 levels:

1. The mood of individual group members. Group members with leaders in a positive mood experience more positive mood than do group members with leaders in a negative mood. The leaders transmit their moods to other group members through the mechanism of emotional contagion. Mood contagion may be one of the psychological mechanisms by which charismatic leaders influence followers.
2. The affective tone of the group. Group affective tone represents the consistent or homogeneous affective reactions within a group. Group affective tone is an aggregate of the moods of the individual members of the group and refers to mood at the group level of analysis. Groups with leaders in a positive mood have a more positive affective tone than do groups with leaders in a negative mood.
3. Group processes like coordination, effort expenditure, and task strategy. Public expressions of mood impact how group members think and act. When people experience and express mood, they send signals to others. Leaders signal their goals, intentions, and attitudes through their expressions of moods. For example, expressions of positive moods by leaders signal that leaders deem progress toward goals to be good. The group members respond to those signals cognitively and behaviorally in ways that are reflected in the group processes.

Ooooops. Where does Mr. Obama fit in with the LEADERSHIP GROUP: #1, #2, and #3 ? Oh, got it.....negative MOOD since he will blame the OTHER GROUP for his LEADERSHIP FAILURES.

BTW.....since when does he need Congress when he is bypassing Congress to get HIS JOBS AGENDA done ?

• http://mweaver1.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/01/7555450-obama-rolls-out-a-jobs-plan-that-doesnt-need-congress

How come the TP hasn't created jobs yet, how come the tax breaks and the trickle down effect hasn't created jobs yet, that was under Bush's administration that the jobs started sprialing downward. When Bush left office the country was in so bad a shape people took all their money out of anykind of investment they might of had because they weren't sure where the economy was headed. Sure Obama should of gave a bigger stimulis but he didn't. Maybe had he did the economy would of jump started itself into a positive affect under Obama. Since then the TP has blocked everything Obama has tried to create jobs and continue to do so now. Now the TP is doing the exact opposite of getting the economy back on its feet. Make changes that affect the least and produces the most. Thats not what the TP has in mind, does it? Nope it dosen't. This programming is nothing more than the republicans thinking their election is more important than the economy of this country, my God they went on vacation instead of working to create jobs. They runined the countries credit rating and thats still not over with, they want to crash the market so they can start it over again as they being the main investors. What needs to be checked is the relatives of all the TP members and their investments, because they are making money off the poor people that have their 401K's in there right now, they'll go after every last penny they can, disgusting, isn't it. Oh I can go on and on about this, your not fooling me. Obamas failure in 2012 is going to be better than the TP's success.

James yes I know that was his slogan to get elected also but had the country been in a little better shape maybe his chances of doing that would of been better. Now the TP's won't budge and inch to help with the economy, because their elections are more important to them than the economy. I'm sick of the blame game myself but lets think about this with a sober mind, have the TP or Rebulicans did anything at all as to date to help the president with this? If the TP is so sure that the President is so wrong in what he is doing, why don't they work with him and let him bury himself and he might not even run again if it dosen't work for him. You won't hear from him again in yrs. if he is so wrong with the things he wants to do. So work with the guy let him bury himself and move on from there. I'll tell you why they won't do that, they know it will work and then they will be voted out by a landslide. They can't have that, so they try with their underhanded tricks. See what I mean James? I'm sure you do and all TP fans see it too.

John,

It is easy to blame everyone but Obama and call them lazy, have no work ethic. But while the world was falling, our stock markets were tumbling, and our credit rating was falling what was this hard working president you speak about doing? He was playing golf.

The problem we have today is both parties have forgotten what they were elected to do, run this country, instead we have during the first two years of the president's term of office more money wasted then ever has been spent in the history of this country. Blame it on Bush, Bush's debt load while he was in office for eight years was less then the president and a liberal controlled government was in one year. So Obama has blamed everything from the economy to sun spots on Bush, and now that Bush is out of office and what we have was set up by Polozi and the Democrats giving him whatever he asked for (remember his promise while campaigning to work with the republicans, he did not even both hiding that he refused to, he just passed the laws and said to hell with them. At least they tried to fight and did not pull a Wisconsin Democrat move of running and hiding to prevent the elected officials by the people to get their jobs done). Now all I hear is the tea party this, Palin that, and blaming everything on everyone but refusing to take any responsibility for his and his cronies actions. What this President needs to do is to look at Clinton (he was not my favorite president but he was a survivor, and was willing to change course to work with what we the people (his employer) have decided we want to sit in office. Maybe he needs to learn from Truman about the Buck stops here, instead we have a administration that has set race relations back twenty years (they took the race card and played it to try to force their agenda on the American people. If you do not support the president then it must be because you do not like African Americans. This is sad because it has taken something that was a label that could force a person to look within and see if they were truly a racist to today all it means is that you do not support the liberal agenda.) And then to top it off I truly have a issue with this president playing the race card, I am half Hebrew, 3/8 English and 1/8 native American, so do I call my self a native American, of course not. I am Hebrew/English with a little native American in my blood lines. But if you study his blood lines he is half white, 7/16 Arab, and 1/16th Black African, yet for the sake of raising up the African American voters he claimed he was a African American for the sake of galvanizing their votes and support. He is a fraud, and if anyone can prove to me otherwise then I challenge you to prove it openly on this site. The problem I have with this man is not his race, I am half a minority race, married to a woman that has less then 3 million people world wide of her race, a god father to a African American Child, and also a Hmong child. What I hate is someone who misrepresents themselves for the sake of political gain, and then has lived the lie for so long that they start actually believing it.

And where is the press, we have a canidate who says she believes in christianity and being submissive to her husband, yet he sat in a a church that preached nothing but bigotry and hate for years and it is ignored. His wife says she never felt like a american, she is the wife of a american president, and where is the press with this. He bowed to Arab Kings, apologized to Iran and other dictatorships for our so called human rights abuses (I have to admit I have never seen a president the most powerful man in the world bow in submission to a authoritarioan Islamic radical inforcer of a king). The truth is that the press is not news anymore but people playing like they are newscasters trying to force their political thinking on us (and yes, this does include Fox news).

If we are to survive as a country, we need to figure out what made us great. And you know what it was. Men were expected to be men of integrity (yes there were scoundrels, but their has sense cave man bob went to cave man Kent's cave and dragged away his wife after beating him to death). But our children do not know morals, we are taught that as long as you get ahead then go ahead and step on as many people as you want, our children play violant games where they are rewarded for sleeping with a prostitute and then beating her and stealing her money. We have given away our manufacturing base to such a degree, that if there was a war with china, we would be screwed. People illegally cross the boarders and are breaking the law doing it, so what do we do, lets talk about giving them amnesty. Our infrastructure is falling apart, but we take the money we could use to fix it and give it to people that harbor our worst enemies. Our schools are underfunded, yet we spend a billion dollars of taxpayers money to build a sports stadium. We have people sleeping in cars while men who act like children are refusing to play a game unless they make 70 million.

Where are our priorities, and where have they gone?

You want to know where? We have allowed a few people that are offended by the ten commandments force 98% of the people in favor of them to cave in to their demands. Christians can not pray in schools, but Muslims are given permission to step out of a class room and pray to Mecca, Parents are afraid to discipline their children because the state has called it abuse (yet for 150 years they did and never heard of a Columbine, or disrespect for elders, parents and adults from children). We either need to force this government to give us back our rights, or the lives our for fathers lost their lives for will have been a waste. We need to change this government peacefully if possible or if not possible then we need to heed to the words of our founders:

Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,
as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and Happiness. Thomas Jefferson.

And the media shares no blame in blowing things like this out of proportion?

mmnord1969

Beverly in Chicago

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LMAO!!! Holy smokes! Let me dig out my Olvatine Secret Decoder Ring so as I may decipher the Bev Babes EBONIC rant!....lol

P.S. blatant racism will not allow YOU to ever be president.

mmnord So when did the term "Angry Black Man" become blatant racism?

You don't need a secret decoder you need common sense; scary rabbit.

Before everyone gets dizzy from the spin, I have a very simple question. Who booked the date first?

Beverly in Chicago
Typical lib at her best!!!!! Dates are set and when the President steps in he should check what is going on and not just step in when he wants to!!!!!!!! Obama knew when the Reps were talking and knew he would step on some toes....LMFAO

Bev -

So when did the term Angry Black man become blatant racism?

Sometime before supporting the Tea Party became blatant racism.

Geeky

Nice use of the diminutive of my name. Very mature. I'll bet you're wearing you big boy pants today.

Geeky, please re-read both of my previous posts. I did not suggest that he go to Congress at all. I suggested he notify the networks he would make an address to the AMERICAN PEOPLE on the PUBLIC AIRWAVES (that's television and radio, bubba) and present his jobs package on September 7 as he planned. IF the GOP/TP/LDS can't be bothered n, well what else is new. They have given NO indication they give a tinker's dam about the American People.

Even if NBC has "other commitments" I'm sure CBS and ABC would be happy to carry the President's speech. He is the President after all, a concept the Speaker seems unable to understand.

At the end of his presentation the President might invite the Speaker over to watch the opening NFL game with him the following night, just to show there are no hard feelings.

DID YOU GET IT THAT TIME?

NO joint session of Congress.

YES a televised presentation to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

If Grandma McConnel will let him, Johnny can come over to watch the game on the 8th instead of having to attend the President's joint session. See everybody wins.

Get it?

America Held Hostage, day 244. We should ask the UN to free us from our GOP/TP/LDS Captors.

Obama/Biden 2012 Do it for Geeky.

I think everyone is sick of the blame game already but what is there to do? There is so much that they can do to create jobs here in this country right now but we get nothing. We get the election debates two yrs. earlier. Not sure how that takes importance over the issues the country is facing. The recovery efforts put into place up to date now are a waste of money and time. Both parties need to make some sacrifice to their lobbyists leaders and work together, they need to tell the lobbyists they will have to wait for their big money until we get the economy going first. Its not going to happen because the country is so vulnarable right now that the party that gets the upper hand in this right now will be the ones to profit the most. The people in office right now are movie stars and they all have a role with Obama headlining the menu. They all need to make sacrifice. Its not hard to do. The budget deficit can be worked on with relitive ease if the jobs are created. How the people in office can't do the right thing now is beyond me. It would be nice to see a complete new ticket running for office in 2012 but its not going to happen. So then that brings it back to the blame game and the lesser of the evils. Myself I see the lesser of the evils as the Obama ticket. He at least isn't going after the poor and the people just barely making it now that would create even a bigger mess if the TP had their way. hey screw the corporations and the 2% for as long as it takes to correct the problems. Ok, I know they won't like it but once things get back to normal they can comeback and get their piece of the pie again twofold, for now lets work on the problems and to me its the TP thats trying their darnest to go against Obama and the country to get their way. I have no choice but to vote Obama in 12.

I remember from the first of President Obama's vacation he kept repeating the September 7th date for release of his job plan and I heard no one saying it could not happen. I remember every republican trying to jump ahead of that date.

If republicans truly cared about jobs, it would have been a priority not something you put off until the next day.

Just like if the republicans care about the debt, so much so, all their plans are more tax cuts to the rich and cuts to the poor. What the republicans are really worried about is that the public will think that increasing taxes on the richest might be good for the country.

End republicans obstructionism vote for a Democrat 2012.

Hey Jimbob,

You can vote for who you want to. But it's a hard sell to say that there is so much DC can do. What can they do? Your option is to "screw the corporations and the 2% for as long as it takes to fix the problem". And you wrote it without any hint of sarcasm or facetiousness. Does it not occur to you that the screwing you favor has been ongoing for a long time and this is one of the reasons why we face the problems we do today?

Sure, no doubt that the rich aren't hurting like the poor and working classes are, but it was the poor and working classes along WITH the rich that said, you know what, let's give loans to lots of people who should get none because of the risk they pose, and if it goes to heck the government can step in and make at least the wealthy whole again. Isn't this what the left wanted? Didn't Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, and an entire gaggle of leftists call Bush and people on his side racists for wanting to fix that government-caused bubble? The fact is that your insanely silly economic/financial have helped cause your own problems, and getting out of this mess won't be done by following more of your silly ideas.

Tax EVERYONE some amount on their income. If you just have to tax those with more at a higher rate, well so be it. But half of the people today pay no income tax to the federal government. End the stupid corporate income tax--you pay it anyhow. Slash regulations imposed not just by our Infant President, Obama, but even many passed previously. Begin to take responsibility for yourself and quit whining about how the rich and corporations need a screwing. Geesus, just man up already.

Gadhafi - 'Let Libya burn'

Tea Party Member???

Ok I made a mistake when I said the election commitee started now and a little too early, instead of trying to do something for the people of this country, they are campaigning already. Ok I should of said they started as soon as Obama stepped into office. I believe it was in Jan. of 09 that they came out and made theirselves known. I thnk that was a big mistake for them too. The TP has made themselves known by going against everything that has taken place so far. Not sure how thats going to help their elections. Now being they made theirselves known to the public since 09 and the economy has sprialed downward along with the market dropping too, how do they think they will be elected again? Now even this little squablle about tv time will bring the market down again. How do they think that will help matters? Hey if Obama is so wrong about what he wants to do then let him bury himself, right?, you won't have to do nothing to get relected, right? I'm sure they won't go along with Obama because his plans will work and then the economy takes off and look the TP looks bad and gets voted out. If the TP had taken this countries greatest concerns in 09 and did something to make things better for the country then sure I'd say I'll vote for them but all they did was campaigne and thats not what that seat in office is for. Come on already stop the campaigning, the worlds a mess.

Yep Richard I said that and I'll say it again because you didn't say everything I said, you picked one part of what I said to make your issue and thats wrong because its not what I said, typical TP. Take the corporations and the 2% along with the lobbyists that want their way right now and screw them and work on whats right for the country and the world. The lobbyists and 2% want their way right now because the country is so volnerable right now that if they get their way first they will make out like bandits for yrs. to come. So yeah Richard I say screw them as far as getting their way and make them invest in this country that made them rich, sure we'll have to give them incentive to make money here but you don't have to bow down to them and make them all bigger kings than they are already. So yeah I said that Richard. Read my posts. You need to get real.

Maybe I'm just a typical white person, but the President waits 2.5 years for a jobs proposal?

Maybe he got used to the affirmative action grading curve that he got at liberal colleges.

So for him, turning this in 2.5 years after any other President would have to IS TURNING IT IN ON TIME.

Of course then the Prof. will also have to turn a blind eye to his plagiarism of Carter in what he does turn in.

First off....total failure of First Read to be considered a newssource again. These authors would have been decent at marketing, but not one of them would pass a journalism class.

The lead is that the Boehner is being petty? Not one mention about Obama circumventing normal process when the POTUS wants to address congress? Not one bit of research into how past presidents have gone about scheduling? Like how Bush and Clinton would contact the Speaker prior to making a public announcement about when they were going to speak to set a date and time?

For all you Obama defenders saying that the president trying to schedule his campaign speech at the same time as the republican debate was by accident:

Yesterday's Statement by Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:

"This is the right time to do it (and) the right day to do it," Carney said in reference to Obama's speech. If the Republicans want to "adjust the timing of their debate ... that would be completely fine with us."

Jay Carney Today:

“Today, the President asked to address the Congress about the need for urgent action on the economic situation facing the American people as soon as Congress returned from recess. Both Houses will be back in session after their August recess on Wednesday, September 7th, so that was the date that was requested. We consulted with the Speaker about that date before the letter was released, but he determined Thursday would work better.

Yet, First Read is determined to make it look like it's Boehner that is being disagreeable.

Ryan:

I can't tell whether you're a typical white person. I'm not quite sure what that is. However, you are typical of a low/no-information Texan. Is that redundant?

Democrats and the President have put forth a number of proposals to stimulate job growth and to assist business people. Republicans have squashed each and every one of them. You could actually check that out, but you won't. Ignorance is bliss.

Richard. I have read some of your posts and you have absolutley nothing to say except blame Obama for golfing. Now I think the country has a different view of whats going on here. Obama is the president in this country, the people voted him in, he is the most important person in office right now. As long as I lived in this country the president took first billing. Now if him coming out and speaking about jobs isn't important to you then you don't care about the country at all. So the TP saying no to him, over and over again, shows me that there is no compromise whats so ever in office right now and that the poor people will suffer more again til the 3 more yrs that they are voted out of office. I see your a TP fan and sure go ahead blame it on him golfing. He's actually has taken less vacation that GW did while he was in office to this point in time (and he was juggling a few wars then too). You won't say anything about him, he's your cowboy. Richard, this all can be fixed is all I'm saying and it just needs to be addressed by both parties. If Obama is so far left that what he proposes will fail, let him. Let him bury himself and lose the election. I doubt that will happen thats why the TP is so after him any way possible to keep him from relection, thay aren't doing anything to help. Thats not what the seats in office they were elected to are for. They aren't doing anything for the people in the country or the world. So stop the golfing already Richard, say something of a little value if your going to say anything at all.

Just a couple of things .....

1. Looks like Boehner kind of disrespected the office of the President ..... But

2. Boehner saved Obama's butt because the Pres would have looked like a fool if he had tried to upstage the Republican debate the night before .... But

3. Probably no one will watch any way because most everybody is so sick and tired of these politicians yapping without saying anything ..... But

4. The Obama team didn't do their due diligence when trying to choose a date for their bosses address. But then the President's team doesn't seem to bright on a good day ..... But

5. They better not screw around with my Packer game.

I probably sound cranky and a bit jaded but I am just so sick of these politicians (on both sides) screwing around with our lives. They operate like they are in a vacuum, not understanding that when they do something or don't do something, the lives of all Americans are affected. We suffer because these boneheads can't sit down in a room and work out a good plan to run the country. The Republicans don't understand that we may have to raise our taxes a bit and close some of these sinful loop holes so we can have enough funds to run the government. The Democrats don't understand that if we raise our taxes to provide the funding they better not spend it on useless projects or give it away to people who don't deserve it (like non-citizens). I no longer listen to these boneheads when they stand up and talk about how great they are - how great our country is - how bad the other guy is but then they don't give us any positive thoughts and ideas about where they are going or what they are going to do. Talk don't cut it anymore. I want to see some body taking some positive action.

I did not vote for Obama - I will never vote for Obama but the Republicans better look around and come up with a candidate who can get things done, who is not a fake, who plays nice with other people, who has good ideas, who doesn't talk just to hear himself (herself). Right now I am not seeing a Republican candidate who fills my requirements. But I'm just sayin'.

President Obama just pointed a very bright spotlight on the GOP debate. There actually may be more people watching the debate now because of the focus on the economy and jobs.

Mitt Romney and Rick Perry will not be able to dodge the issue since they are the GOP 'job creators'. John Huntsman is prepared to discuss the economy and jobs at the debate, too. Huntsman will look more like an adult and does not engage in so much political rhetoric. Romney and Perry must present rational economic plans and must appear presidential. Otherwise they will look like they are not ready for the job. Obama will have an opportunity to critique and contrast the GOP plans the next evening - without rebuttal from the GOP candidates.

President Obama just started a political fight. So far, Obama is controlling the agenda and timing of the debate. The GOP candidates will not be able to snipe at the President from the sidelines - they will be busy defending their own plans OR their lack of a plan. The President wants America's attention focused on the GOP, at this point.

mmnord1969:

Anna Molly,

As much as it pains me to disagree with you, I must.

My fair city is the "Halloween Capital of the World"...lol...I know, I know. But by your logic, if I ddn't like pumpkins or witches, I wouldn't or shouldn't be allowed to participate in such parade.

LoL Don't worry about disagreeing with me. Everyone here does it.

But if you didn't like pumpkins or witches, then why would you WANT to participate in such a parade? To disrupt it? To make it look like you really DO like Halloween? Just to be visible, like politicians love to do?

Or all of the above?

You understand my point perfectly, come to think of it.

Halloween capital of the world? Sweet.

David Walker - Obama waits a month to get into a rush to deliver his list of political payoffs.

Wasn't it ready last week? No?

So like I said, he's just now got his ideas together....2.5 years later.

Please.

You are simply treating him like there's some sort of affirmative action for the presidency.

Hey, comedians don't even do Obama jokes. He lives in the corruption king, Rezco's house. His friend and fundraiser is convicted TERRORIST Ayers. His "preacher" for 17 years", Wright says G.D. America.

Compare that to even Democrat Presidents like Clinton.

Let's face it, half the people are below average intelligence, and the other 4% of the vote Obama got were probably just trying to give him prefferential treatment as a minority.

So we are stuck with an unqualified "community organizer" for 1.5 years.

We told you Affirmative Action leads to less qualified people in the position - now do you understand?

David -- Ah yes, government costs something. My kids were shocked to see that reality in their paychecks. Great teaching moment I might add. Income is income is income I agree and should be taxed. A clean slate is where we begin I feel. Business, well, the plus of zero tax is no socializing of losses. Still pondering the whole mess. I do not like social engineering through taxes that is for certain. Thanks for your thoughts.

John -- Thanks for the insight on business taxes. No easy answer to the mess. To capture revenues via the tax code while legislating loopholes, credits, write-offs at the same time just seems slight of hand. Too many pay no taxes while others must. Pretty unfair system we have for both business (in some cases) and for people. I will keep advocating to at least clean it up so we have some clarity and accountability. : )

JH -- You wrote: (To John I might add, but I felt compelled to put my 2cents in, so forgive the intrusion.)

There are millions of Sub-chapter S Corps out there. They ALL pay taxes on their net profit. I own one such business. I pay personal income tax on every penny that is considered NET. Even if that money is left in the business account to continue to employ people and keep the business running for the next year.

Sub-chapter S Corps have found ways to pay no tax....see some of my other posts concerning this issue. Glad to see you are one of the honest ones.

Richard numbers -- Great post on Immelt and where he stands.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

As I sit here reading all the Liberal Progressives childish rants about Barrack Hussein embarrassing himself I can only laugh. I can imagine them ALL walking around funny because their panties are all in a bunch.

Here's an example:

WHY is this the first time in history that a Presidents request to speak was DENIED?

Because it wasn't a request, it was a DEMAND! Do you just call your friends up and tell them you're coming over tomorrow night because you WANT TO? Maybe you Liberal Progressive’s lack the manners of protocol but mature, polite people ASK!

The president has to ASK to be invited to speak before a Joint Congress. Just because Barrack Hussein has been too busy prancing around the country on a three day campaign trip before he goes on a 10 day vacation,,,,TOO FU**ING BAD!

STOP pretending to be a leader and BECOME a leader. Everyone knows this was a typical Liberal Progressive socialist maneuver to try and manipulate Congress to appear strong. We all know Barrack Hussein is too weak to run a lemonade stand, let alone the most powerful Republic in history.

The THREE BRANCHES of government are EQUAL. This was done deliberately by the Framer's so as to guarantee the Balance of Powers so necessary in a Federal Constitutional Republic. The president is no stronger or weaker than the other branches. The lefties love to place THEIR Democrat president on a pedestal, especially this weak little imitator.

Remember, the hierarchy in a Republic is:

1. We The People

2. The States

3. The Federal government

The socialist Liberal progressives want it to be:

1. The Federal government (without any constraints, to keep taking from the successful and giving to the wanting, whether they deserve it or not)

2. The States (only if they pander to whatever the omnipotent Federal criminals demand)

3. We The People (will get whatever scraps that are left over from their elitist and socialist/Marxist friends)

Today manufacturing, productivity and business confidence has plummeted to mid 2009 levels. Financials are collapsing again. This is after massive infusions of tax dollars, $timulu$, QE1 and QE2 with interest rates kept basically at virtually 0.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

This president and his administration of socialists, Marxists and Communists is not only a disappointment they are an embarrassment. The world use to look up to America to lead everyone out of recessions, now they not only ignore us, they denounce Barrack Hussein's policy.

This inexperienced and incompetent buffoon MUST refuse any more of this ridiculous Keynesian nonsense and let the free market determine commerce. Keynesian economics didn't work during the Depression and it hasn't since, it's time to really CHANGE! If not a double-dip recession is the best we can hope for. The worst case scenario,,,well I think you all know what that is.

HEY, does anyone know if Solyndra has any job openings?

(Ooooops, that's gotta hurt)

Markmich -- Doesn't hurt at all. It was a company that couldn't figure out how to compete and thought it had an edge that it apparently didn't. Now lets talk about Joule Unlimited. How bout it....

Hi Jimbob,

The trouble is that when you think you can screw over whoever you want you ignore the simple truth that they get a say too. Sure, they might lose a vote, but there are other ways to deal with matters. Firms hire overseas for lots of reasons, so your idea to force them to invest here is going to be enforced how, exactly? Do you intend to eliminate the freedom of a firm's managers to decide what is the best business decision for them? And about the rich you so eagerly want to push around...is it at all possible that if you tax their incomes more they will accumulate assets instead of taking cash or in-kind emoluments as pay?

There are many differences between how I see the world and how you do, obviously. But one of the most stark is that you seem to think you can pass any law you want and everyone will simply respond as you want them to. But, think about this, would you? Let's pretend you are part of the small minority that pays the vast majority of the federal income tax now. And someone like me said "you know what we need? We need you to pay even more so we can spend it foolishly". Would you just roll over? I HOPE not. Or imagine you are a firm's manager and you are told your taxes are going up. Would you simply say thanks? Or would you instead look for costs to cut elsewhere, employees to fire, prices to raise, and so on?

I understand your desire to improve the government's fiscal position, but I am baffled by how you think what you do will work. It hasn't so far, so why will tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year, be any different? Here's a thought...quit trying to make people jump the hoops you think will make us better and instead do those things that will increase our individual liberty. This is what brought us prosperity, not centralized planning from DC. This is what brought is power, not DC wisdom (now there is a contradiction in terms).

Rich-281385,

But half of the people today pay no income tax to the federal government.

"Half the people today pay no income tax"... that includes the unemployed, which Republicans on here claim is really at 25%. So if 50% don't pay taxes, and 25% of the population is unemployed, that means that half of that 50% are unemployed. Explain to me how you plan on taxing the income of the unemployed?

After you explain to me how we will tax the unemployed, lets look at the other half of the 50%. This represents the people who make under $22k per year (Personally I don't know how they live on that). So, considering cost of living expenses, housing costs, food, clothing, etc. How much should we tax them?

Now, remember that a 3% increase in taxes on the rich will only result in about $700 billion in revenue... and this is not nearly enough to even put a scratch on the debt. Republicans here have stated that $700 billion is too small to even consider.

The 50% you mentioned, which don't pay taxes, only have $1.4 trillion in total assets. Everything they own, including their income, only comes to $1.4 trillion. So if we take half of everything they own, that comes out to $700 billion (which is too small to consider, remember). So how much of their assets should we take to make a difference? All of it? Will $1.4 trillion save us?

Obviously you have a serious issue with the 50% that don't pay taxes. So let's recap: (1) How do you propose we collect income tax on half of the 50% that is unemployed? (2) How much do we tax those who make less than $22k per year? (3) Simply taxing those that make less than $22k is not enough, so how much of their assets should we seize, in excess of $700 billion?

End the stupid corporate income tax--you pay it anyhow.

Who should we tax to make up for this lost revenue? Remember, we are already planning on seizing the assets of the poor.

Slash regulations imposed not just by our Infant President, Obama, but even many passed previously.

I am assuming you are against the EPA and their regulations. Many, many years ago I had extended family living in Colorado. Before the EPA set restrictions on corporate pollution, a nearby company was pumping chemical waste into the rivers. This caused the many in the population of nearby towns to contract cancer. Have you ever seen a child suffering the ravages of cancer? I have. At a young age, I watched extended family members die because of this pollution. I was still a boy at the time, but after seeing what companies do when they are not regulated, I fully supported Nixon (a Republican) when he started the EPA.

So, when you remove the EPA... and companies start freely polluting all over again... are you willing to explain to a child why they need to die? Are you willing to tell a five year old why it is important that they die so a company can save money by polluting the environment? What is the price tag you place on human life, or the life of a child?

Aww Skip- did I hurt your feelings?? I'm sorry for you.

So where does mr Prez do such a presentation knowing it will be a campaign speech- can't do it from ANY government areas- so he would have to leave the city- thus lowering the impact of the speech. The only way he gets the impact he is going for is to us the Congress as the backdrop after he's invited- then all bets are off.

and what's with the lds tag on the GOP? I thought libs were the party of tolerance... guess not.

But that would explain why liberals are so keen on keeping people in poverty- it's the only electorate they have large enough to vote for them over and over again. It's the 21st century plantation run by the Democratic masters! As opposed to conservatives who want ALL people (of all walks of life- in all races) to be successful so that there are MORE on the tax roles- thereby lowering taxes for everyone! win-win for everybody.

The question everyone should ask themselves is: Do you want to be the boss of you- or do you want the government to be the boss of you? If you answered the latter- give up, drink the kool-aid and vote for Obama again. If the former is your answer- then get up off your azz- and DO SOMETHING about it!! Stop waiting for the government to take care of you! YOU be the boss!

These are pretty simple concepts- but they seem to completely lost on Obama and his crew.

sorry for them too...

@Newly -- You are wrong about the unemployed not paying taxes. I guarantee you the unemployed pay income taxes on their unemployment benefits. In fact, the unemployed -- the ones who could least afford one -- got a tax INCREASE this year. Why you ask??? Well the IRS/Obama administration let the exclusion on the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits expire. OOPS -- campaign promise broken and no one calls Obama on it.

P.S. -- Drop the "Newly Independent" moniker. It's a crock not fooling anyone.

Americans First: Nice try, but it won't work. Using your logic, why don't you ask why Obama felt it was so important to take a vacation before "announcing" his ideas? You'd think that if "jobs" was so important to him, that he would have addressed that before he went on vacation. But, no, his vacation was more important than all the millions of Americans who are out of jobs. Then, you need to consider that the Republican debate has been scheduled for months. Why would anyone who states that they want to work with the Republicans then announce that he is going to tell the Republicans they can shove their debate, I want to speak? Think about it. Also, he is 2 1/2 years into his presidency and has pushed all his "stimulus" spending which has produced zilch, nada, not one job. Of course, he mad the exact same statement a year ago about jobs, and nothing. So, no, only a fool, or a die-hard democrat who could care less about facts, would believe that Obama's desire to give a speech on the 7th before a joint session of Congress actually would believe that it is about jobs. That doesn't even cover the fact that Obama has been AWOL during the all of these discussions during the past year. So, like I say, nice try, but no one is buying it.

Beverly in Chicago

"Have you noticed the job numbers are up?"

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm table b1.

Wow bev, there are more jobs. 117,000 of them in the last year while 13 million are still unemployed. And even more when you add those who ran out of unemployment insurance who are no longer counted. Based on population growth, the few new jobs actually mean more people are unemployed. But don't let the facts get in the way of your whining and blame game. Carry on.

Dont_carry_it_all

Now lets talk about Joule Unlimited. How bout it....

Why? Have they made a single dollar in revenue yet?

Mike-416 "Do you think the "Party of No" tag line came out of thin air or something?"

Actually, I recall that it was originally used to describe the Democrats in Congress who opposed every initiative of G W Bush. I guess 'turnabout is fair play'. How's it feel?

Markmich-- Just changing the topic the other one is boring.

No geeky, I just find your ignorance and attachment to a failed political philosophy very sad and more than a little tiresome.

Let's see, Jobs, I seem to remember that being the GOP battle cry about this time last year. How soon we forget. So, you're saying that was all just politics? Just campaign rhetoric? They had no intention of creating any jobs, just wedge issues and campaign slogans? Well, it looks like you are correct. They didn't create a single job or take any interest in the fate of the American people, otherwise we wouldn't have nearly 9% unemployment.

Now, let's see, since President Obama is everything the GOP/TP/LDS isn't and I know you endorse that concept since you seem to be such a loyal member of the reich..er, I mean right, then I think it's safe to say if the GOP/TP/LDS was only using "jobs" as campaign rhetoric, then President Obama probably is not. He probably has a REAL PLAN, not a wedge issue, and therefore he can make his presentation to the American people wherever he wants to.

See, you reich..sorry...right-wingers see everything as "Party First, People Second" unless of course those people are very rich. But the President has and always will put the common people of this great country first. It's not campaign rhetoric, it's a plan to reduce unemployment and put AMERICANS back to work.

So, geeky, I feel sorry for you. You are just another dupe of the GOP/TP/LDS. Another ditto head zombie, incapable of thinking for yourself or recognizing the fact that the party you so slavishly and blindly support cares nothing for YOU (unless you make $750K a year, and from your style of writing I seriously doubt you earn $50K a year). You are working against your own self interest.

Since you are so foolish and need to be led by the nose, you will eventually be led off a cliff by your very own reich...darnit, I did it again, RIGHT WING leadership.

So, no, you didn't hurt my feelings. You don't have the verbal skills which is why you are the perfect stormtrooper. March on little stormtrooper, Teabags uber alles. See you at the war crimes trials.

AMERICA Held Hostage (by geekfish) day 245

Obama/Biden 2012

That is when I had to change the channel.

That didn't work for me Nash - no matter what channel I landed on, it was all the same bullsh!t!

*shakes head*

Far-Lefty Loon Tactic #25-- Accuse people of being "dumb" when they don't agree with you politically.

The President's Dumbo-sized ego made him make the unprecedented move of asking for a full house of congress when the other party is having a debate on the same night. What a tool this guy is. Glad he caved like a weasel and backed down. He most likely wasn't going to say anything in his speech that made any sense, anyway. Now it will be on Sept 8th. The American public will be watching the 1st night of the NFL season, by this time the majority of Americans having learned that Hussein has nothing to say that isn't the same ol' crap.

Perhaps the President should have just said no and held a prime time speech on Wednesday at 8:00 PM evening at the White House, or a large town hall speech and or meeting on the jobs bill proposal.

In this case MSNBC is the only network carrying the Republican Debate. Then all of the other major networks would have covered the President and the Republican supporters could watch the MSNBC debate.

None of the far right Republicans care about the Presidents speech anyway.

It's OK Nash. I don't know anybody who thinks the President has super human abilities.

Dear Damage:

You chose your screen name well. Since you struggle with reading comprehension, allow me to assist you: it is not your political beliefs that makes you dumb, it is the level of drivel that you "contribute" daily. You are nothing more than an old fashioned sh!t stirrer . . . mark me unimpressed.

What it means, Nash, is that there is no spin that will alter the facts- Obama has failed on the economy, driven up the debt precipitously, and paid off his donors with taxpayer funds for businesses that are now declaring bankruptcy.

While polls indicate that most people blame the initial problem on the Bush administration, they also show that no one with two functioning brain cells trusts Obama to fix anything. Next week's speech, which will feature a rehash of already failed ideas, will only drive his approval numbers lower, although promising his contributors that he will strive mightily to get congress to give him a new slush fund with which to repay their contributions ten-fold may stimulate his campaign funding.

Or maybe not, when it becomes clear that it has a chance of being enacted only when elephants roost in trees.

Cheer up. I'm pretty sure he'll get his very own show on your favorite network after he loses. Then you can watch him every night, and the rest of us will be spared.

mark me unimpressed.

GF -- you sure can attrack the crappy critters to your porch...

Make sure you put all the food away will ya? ;o)

Job1, I had to laugh because the irony of Republicans carrying MSNBC for the evening's ratings was too delicious. Wonder if the debate beats Inanity in the ratings game? Or is that Bill O? Sorry, I'm not versed on their lame - o lineup.

Well said, Nashville. It is disgusting to hear the nonsense spewed from talking heads. The so-called "liberal medias bias" is still busy creating non-troversies and their own storyline instead of discussing the facts. In early August President Obama announced he would have another jobs plan available after Labor Day when Congres returns and that he would address the Nation. Congress didn't bother returning Tuesday and they'll be gone again Friday--that left Wednesday, the night of the GOPTP debate and Thursday, the NFL Season Opener. More Americans will be tuned into the NFL opener than to the GOPTP debate. The GOPTP has become so predicatable as to make it worthwhile to place a bet but they fail to realize that everytime they say NO, it reinforces to voters who the adult is.

That's ok, Clara. TENS of MILLIONS of other Americans ARE versed on their lineup. As opposed to the 3 or 4 people that watch Tingle Leg, Fat Man and Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton.

By the way, what channel is Keith Olbermann on these days? Anybody know? Anybody give a crap?

And Nashville....You never fully explained or went into detail re your theory that the widespread irresponsibility, violence, recklessness and nihilism in our nations Black communities is a result of not having wealth handed down through generations. All you ever did was tell people to "kiss my black ass", which is actually Far-Lefty Loon Tactic #42. You ever gonna fill us in? If not, shut up and keep your ridiculous theories on your private chatrooms.

Dearest Damage:

If you do not want to talk to me, stop following me, around. Pretty simple, dumb a#@.

P.S. I am not your personal "race" consultant, mmmkay? Actually, I was not even talking to you when I provided the option of kissing my black a$$, so it is ironic that you are the only one still thinking about it . . . have you considered the fact that you don't have much to contribute, other than rehashing race based bullsh!t? I have. Time to add you to the ignore list. Loser.

It’s no bill deal. Let the NFL/NBC have the pre-game reports beginning at 7:00 PM. Then break away for the Presidents speech at 8:00 PM. Then have the game kick-off at 9:00 PM.

This way we can see the Republican/Tea Potty Circus on Wednesday, which should be very entertaining.

Then Thursday the President followed by the NFL kick-off.

For all the union haters....forget the NFL, NBA, and all professional sports.....

Those (as you say), greedy union workers.......but wait, bet you support your favorite sports team without a thought to their UNION!

Well Job1, you certainly have all the answers. You should be a program director when you get out of Junior High.

I am absolutely sure, it is just as easy as you think it is.

Well how did you know that is what I do for a living? Oh well, when you get out of jail, you can work on your job skills.

No internet access in the slammer, there youngster.

Work release?

Which is why I only watch (when I get a chance to) college sports, Chilled- that way I don't have to watch the spoiled little baby/children cry because they didn't get their $13M a year contract to PLAY A GAME!!! or watch the prima donnas not try hard because they just don't feel like it today.

While the rest of us working stiffs that put in 55+ hours a week to make up for my retirement that got sucked down the drain because of bad politics (and I don't really CARE which side did what- they ALL cost me!).

couldn't possible care less about pro sports and the unions they belong to.

Boy you guys sure do hate it when the Media doesn't go your way!

I heard a rumor that the presidents september job plan is to send all unemployed Americans to China to work if China will cut what we owe them in half .

@feistyredhead roselle il : you do realize the Chuck Todd works for NBC, not Fox! Should we change your name to Stupidredhead? Obama deliberately picked that date out of arrogance! He think he is above the Office of President, he believes he is the Emperor of the United States! So it is that this is the first time in history that Congress turned down a request from the President to address both houses. Well, it's also the first time that the country has gone through a credit downgrade. It's also the first time a President has blown through trillions of dollars to produce no jobs. Hopefully soon, it will be the first time a President has been impeached and tried for treasonous conduct...

Damage: It's interesting, you get upset when someone calls the Republican/TP party "dumb;" yet, you go ahead later in another post and do the very same thing? Isn't that a little hypocritical on your part? Just because someone doesn't agree with YOUR politics doesn't make that person dumb....it's all part of life. If everyone agreed on EVERYTHING, it would be a very boring world. Why can't the Right and the Left agree to disagree and discuss things like grown ups rather than resorting to childish name calling! If you can't discuss the subject in a grown-up manner with valid facts and information; then you need to find another place to vent!

I don't think that people realize how dire of a situation we are in. To be honest.... other than one or two of these lunatics none of them are fit to lead our country. And if the entire Republican party's goal is to put one of them into office, and if the entire goal of the Democratic party is to keep Obama as president, and they are willing to play political games while the entire country is struggling, then I don't want any of them running this country. January 2013 is not when we need to start fixing America, it's now.

sbv

the unemployed and foreclosed homes, something terrible has happened to our country.

Unemployed - Shovel Ready Jobs??

Foreclosed homes - Bill Clinton “The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream"?

Now do some research and your question will be answered.

Hey goat do you really think these rich politicans care about the little guy in this country, the ones that do the menial jobs that make their lifes easier, they wouldnt spit on the rest of us if we were laying on the sidewalk on fire. They dont want to fix anything they just want to save their own jobs, I dont really need these guys telling me what I must accept as normal or moral esp. the ones that tell me gay marriage is right, abortion is right and we must let all of mexico come here and take jobs and live on welfare. This country is getting what we asked for by voting these guys in they have sold our country down the road, its like the prisoners are running the prison.Why do we have to be tolerant of everyting liberals want us to, I am tired of paying high gas prices and food prices etc. and being unemployed for the past 2 years, any of the rest of you tired of it also, well lets get out and vote and show them how mad we are in this coming election .

Gadhafi - 'Let Libya burn'

Tea Party Member????

Why not make it the half-time show?

Split screen with the cheerleaders?

At least here in Wisconsin there is no way the local NBC affiliate will cut away from the Packers game. Guess I will have to miss the big speech!

Tie this gift to the republican candidate up with a big red bow. For as much hype as STILL exists from '68's Heidi Bowl, I guaranty you Packer fans will neither forgive nor forget Obama cost us our 2011 kick off glory when we go to the polls next November. We BLEED green & gold. (Lets face it. This is Wisconsin. We don't have much else going for us. Cheese, Brats, Packers. Not necessarily in that order) For all those who thought there'd be no way for Obama to lose Wisconsin next year, I think you're wrong- he just found a way if the local NBC affiliates aren't allowed to continue with the regularly scheduled broadcast instead of carrying the speech.

My understanding is the local affiliate can choose not to carry it. And NBC has a lot of skin in the game too. I'm sure you've heard about all the events starting in the afternoon in Green Bay. Actually maybe even earlier, on the Today Show? The pre-game and concert is a huge deal too. They have pre-sold all these very lucrative advertising spots, from what I'm hearing. Huge.

Should be interesting, to say the least!

Gadhafi - 'Let Libya burn'

Tea Party Member???

Oops. I forgot. The President is a BEARS fan. Well, I wonder how he'll feel when he loses Wisconsin in 2012. Packer fans have LONG memories.

Is Brett Favre allowed back yet?

My boss who lives in Wisconsin sent me a picture of church after Farve left. The theme for Sunday was "Farve may leave you but God never will".

There is more truth in your humor than anyone unfamiliar with packer fans could possibly know...

Far-Lefty Loon Tactic #15-- Try to generate sympathy for a failed president by associating him with a loser football team.

Anna Molly - The President is a BEARS fan :}

One of his positions that I still support with out question!

Seriously, though this is but the first round of a new series of concessions. Since Boehner told him when he was allowed to speak, I wonder if Obama will check with the speaker if his proposals are acceptable.

How come the President doesn't get it that nice guys finish last, especially in politics. One year to go President Obama use your time wisely.

Anna Molly:

Left-wing types are ALWAYS honest. Here's the deal. Most serious football fans are going to watch the game. The President is chopped liver. It's the bread and circuses thing.

Political junkies who are also football fans know they can catch the President's speech later.

Your Packers are one heck of a team - with an offense led by a brilliant quarterback who was educated at UC Berkeley, you know that bastion of left-wing thought. He's also a big union guy. That must upset the governor's tummy. In fact, all those guys belong to a union.

If I was a right-winger I wouldn't even watch the game....buncha commie union guys, ya know!

President Obama knows there's a game, he's a big football fan. The time for his address will likely be moved up and more people will now watch the President because he'll be the lead-in to the Season Opener. How's that for boosting NBC's viewership.

"It's the bread and circuses thing."

Now, David...

I would argue that the Obama Administration is at least as much a "circus" as the NFL is.

Although...

The NFL is more organized, focused, and disciplined.

Jody, Iowa

President Obama knows there's a game, he's a big football fan...

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Poor Jody, if he KNEW about THIS scheduling faux pas, why did he make it? If he reschedules yet AGAIN (for a football game???), how does that make him look?

"W", couldn't think of a single mistake he made as President, and the "usual suspects" here can't admit to any for the current President, to the point of unintentional humor...

@ Alan -- LoL Favre is allowed to come back for one game per year, during which he can be booed and pelted with rubber cheese. If he really stays retired this time, he'd better not try it.

@ dangerfield -- LoL there's no kidding about that. ;-)

@ David -- psst -- don't tell them about the unions, will you? But, as it turns out, the Dems almost turned over that seat during the Senate recalls, held an adjacent seat, and gained an adjacent seat. I have a high hopes for 2012 in that area, if only in the local races.

@ Damage -- don't look at me -- the President is the one that associates with a loser football team. My team is the winner in the room.

@ Yellowdog -- you are voicing my greatest fears. This has already taken one nasty turn, and we're nowhere near the substance yet.

@ Jody -- more likely NBC will ignore the speech, in favor of the game. Got it covered on MSNBC, doncha know, and I suspect their NFL contract is ironclad.

@ Bag Boy -- that's a coincidence, so is Congress -- a "circus," that is. As for "organized, focused, and disciplined," obviously you did NOT watch the Packers' last pre-season game against the Colts. Hoping for better tonight. MUCH better.

Mixed Bag

I would argue that the Obama Administration is at least as much a "circus" as the NFL is.

The NFL is more organized, focused, and disciplined.

Bag boy

I would argue the T-Potty is undisciplined. Have you seen all that white foam? It's their gag reflex to the President and this country. They hate this country.

The President is in the high 30's

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1640

Congress is in the low teens

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

The one thing both sides agree on is that the country is going in the "wrong" direction...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

What do any of you have to be so smug about?

Both "teams" are losing...

I'm not smug, dangerfield. I've moved on to hysteria, which is one more shock short of total meltdown. There are those who would say I'm already there. But then again, so are they.

This whole thing -- which is just another weekly episode in that new hit cable TV show called "Futility" -- unaccountably makes me giggle.

Anna-

Inappropriate laughter is actually APPROPRIATE in this instance...Reminded me of ...

The Funeral of "Chuckles"...

"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBK5GslDaQ

No Bev they dislike blacks who organize communities instead of working and contribute to society. Also, spreading the wealth that was earned by US citizens to those to lazy to get a job even if it is at minimal wages. You have to start somewhere.

The only way the President would know about the Monday night football,is if SOMEBODY put it no his Teleprompter....

"No Bev they dislike blacks who organize communities instead of working and contribute to society. Also, spreading the wealth that was earned by US citizens to those to lazy to get a job even if it is at minimal wages. You have to start somewhere."

I think that once again the color of the President skin comes into play. Just read these posts, by the far right extremist and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see how the Rush Limpball, Glenn Beck and Pat Buchannan style of hate is coming through.

This hate has been echoing ever since the President started running for President. We have all seen the examples in the posts here with the off color nick names and the flat out lies leveled against the President.

Then of course we have the event as the Presidents request being denied and the Republican-Tea Potty bringing the country on the edge of default.

Their attitude is we can’t have that boy or tar baby living in the White House.

@ Dangerfield -- Thank you SO much for that memory. One of the best segments ever in one of the best series ever. Everyone loves a good giggle. Sometimes you just can't help it.

@ Job1 -- you have hit the nail on the head. In particular, however, there seems to be more racist tinge to the comments this week, and maybe the past couple of weeks. So much that I am starting to find it disturbing -- especially how blatant it is getting. I don't listen to Rush or watch Fox, so I don't know for sure where, but this sudden uptick in openly racist comments HAS to be coming from somewhere.

Hi Anna Molly,

So True and So Sad.

Anna Molly and Job1:

The issue of open bigotry is true, but in a rather perverse way it is not sad. How long have we been pointing out that the right wing hates Obama based on nothing more than his color?

"Oh no, not us. We hate him for some very good reasons. We hate him because he suggests ideas that we used to think were good ideas, but they're not good ideas now because we don't know why, but they aren't because Obammy/Obumbler/Barry said we should try them, but we won't and we'll oppose him all the time because he's a bad man, and the earth is flat."

Bless their idiotic contortions. They have taken the "plausible" out of "plausible deniability".

Oops. I forgot. The President is a BEARS fan. Well, I wonder how he'll feel when he loses Wisconsin in 2012. Packer fans have LONG memories.

Anna Molly Do you think he would have scheduled his speech if the bears were on. Packers will show him when they demolish the bears this season.

For a source - check out Glenn Beck's latest rant on his dislike for the term "African-American."

AM-

As a long-time NFL fan, I caution you not to expect too much from your Packers tonight...in any event, nothing that is likely to happen in the game tonight is likely to have much bearing on the Pack's performance during the regular season...hopefully, no one gets seriously injured.

Anyway...

This is the dreaded "last" preseason week. Consider yourself fortunate if you recognize many of the players on the field for either team tonight...many of these guys will hit the waiver wire next week, if not sooner. Rookie Cincinnati QB Andy Dalton might get some playing time, since I'd expect he'll be the Bengals' starter on Opening Day.

dangerfield...thanks immensely for the link to the MTM Show.

It's easy to forget just how great Moore's comedic chops are...one of Brooklyn's finest.

Again, df...

Thanks.

Still (dare I say it?)...

Chuckling.

If Obama wins in 2012 I am leaving the country, just remember never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Bev-

"Bag Boy" is generally (well, sometimes, at least...) a term of endearment when used by Anna Molly.

Honestly, Bev...

I didn't know you cared.

Right back at ya, Bev, baby!

:-)

I don't know whether Obama is a football game fan or not. But I do know he is a fan of the blame game.

Wayne: Start packing your bags. If the Republicans had ONE decent candidate running against President Obama, they MIGHT have a chance to win; however, with the wierdos they have on the slate now....there's NO chance. IMO, if ANY of them win, we might ALL want to leave the country because they'll be taking it back to the 1800's again; i.e., child labor, no worker security, etc., etc., etc.

If that were true, why is it millions watch?

Millions don't neccessarily watch; every frikken station broadcasts the speeches so most people just leave it on a channel and continue doing whatever it was they were doing.

There are just as many million who don't watch it. People get tired of hearing the same ole' lame BS over and over again. No one is going to change their mind via a speech.

Uh, millions more watch NFL football (many millions).

Uh, millions more watch NFL football (many millions).

Uh, millions more watch NFL football (many millions).

Jody .We watch to find out what the IDIOT is going to try to do NEXT...

You know how much it pains me, df; but I had to give you the star because this struck me as quite funny. The metaphor was pretty graphic, too.

I always appreciate good humor. It's the reality that bites.

You mean they aren't rushing back this week to handle those very particulars? I mean, afterall, this WAS their themus impetus, no?

Come on,...get real. GNOP - We can't even order a scoring remotely, that's how clueless we are!

It's honest; but won't fit on a bumper sticker. Any time I see a paragraph with GOP and the words 'fiscally sound' - I'm immediately skeptical. Call it a sixth sense; but me doubts the twain will meet.

One thing we can always count on from the left is all emotion and no facts. And you proved that Clara.

Did you miss the stimulus bill, did you miss the dozens of job-creating pieces of legislation passed by the Pelosi House that languish in the Senate because of the GOP filibuster? I guess that's an inconvenient truth, huh, Jake J.

Jake J

One thing we can always count on from the left is all emotion and no facts. And you proved that Clara.

Jake, if were you I'd keep my mouth shout since you can't produce but one "Fact" from the the GNOPee Clan; apart from they said they want this country to fail.

Like Mitch McConnell said " ain't nothing with a little hostage taking". That is a fact Jack.

Yeah, and apparently Jake's word of the day toilet paper gave him emoticon; but he flushed the definition.

Obviously I used none.

Love how when the Repubs can't argue the subtance of a comment, they immediately attack the messenger. It's play # 5 I think.

Oh well, Jake, when you're ready to talk about how FISCALLY responsible the GOP is, I guess we'll have a debate. Me thinks you'll be stuck on research on that for quite some time.

Clara, Clara, Clara:

Research? These guys don't even research what THEY wrote. Perry can't even remember what's in his own book. Actually, the truth is more likely that he can't read what someone else wrote in the book that he says he wrote.

Romney doesn't have to do research because whatever he says today he said at one time or another and if he didn't, he'll change his mind anyway.

Bachmann doesn't have to do research because she just makes everything up as she goes along.

Santorum? Research? Here's a real quote from Santorum. As with so much of the stuff that comes out of the mouths of Republicans, I preface this with - I swear I'm not making this up. "The Koran is perfect just the way it is, that's why it is only written in Islamic." This comes from a lecture on Islam for the students at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

Republicans don't do research.

Gadhafi - 'Let Libya burn'

Tea Party Member???

Nonsense. They spoke on the phone earlier and Boehner tentatively agreed on the Wed date; my guess is his party gave him a lot of heat along with Rush Limbaugh giving him his orders. We've heard Boehner speak about not being informed many times and it has been proved he shades the facts.

Nonsense is right. There is zero truth to your statement about a phone call. Who shades the facts?

Are liberals afraid of everybody? Rush Limaugh just gets higher and higher ratings and get a good laugh everytime his name is brought up. Guess who's ratings get lower and lower.

Support your local vitriolic drug abusing multi-millionnaire..Limbaugh!

Judy in Iowa - where is your proof of this alleged phone call? State facts, not bogus opinions.

What does idiot Rush Limbaugh have to do with any of this? You give him high ratings everytime you make a comment about him. Don't you realize that's the talk show host name of the game. Positive or negative comments are added together to show how many hits the guy gets. You must be watching and listening to Limbaugh and you, therefore, are helping to keep him on the air. Think about it.

Jody, This really makes no sense to me, that President Obama would send a letter then to Boehner asking for the date instead of confirming it, per their conversation. It is not passing my litmus test. I am glad you are so certain of what happened.

Gomez, where is your proof that there was NO call...?

Uh, Ron. Congress usually INVITES the president over to address a joint session, the president doesn't invite HIMSELF. Note the difference...

So all this time all Boehner had to do was invite the President to come and chat? I mean he's had 8 months with the gavel,...what was he waiting for?

I know, it took some time to re-litigate the 'culture' wars. That MUST have been the tie up.

MR-392541, I guess I'm trying to make some sense of what you think you are informing me of. I know that Congress invites the President. I know he doesn't invite himself, as he did this time. I know that when he wants to make a speech before Congress, he advises them of that. His staff gives the staff of the speaker a list of dates that he's available. They mutually decide on one, and a date is set.

Now if you are trying to correct me on something, feel free.

Clara KCMO, I don't think Boehner was interested in chatting with Bam Bam. Why should he be? He and the Republicans weren't elected to play nice with the guy. The previous Congress, under Pelosi, did that and gave him everything he wanted. That's why they got pitched. It didn't work.

The Republicans don't want to end up on the same scrap heap. They know Obama's a loser. They'd rather not join him.

There are steps to follow

President Obama did NOT cave; anyone who makes that claim is buying what the talking heads are telling them. Congress is off Monday, Tuesday and Friday. Which day would you pick? The night of a GOPTP debate or the night of the NFL Season Opener--more people will be watching the NFL opening night than will the debate so Wed was the least intrusive into TV primetime.

Jody, Iowa

The night of a GOPTP debate or the night of the NFL Season Opener--more people will be watching the NFL opening night than will the debate so Wed was the least intrusive into TV primetime.

Jody, you are so right

Everyone knows the American people are tired of the same old re-hash bash President Obama; Gawd!

How much do you wanna bet the debate will focus on bashing President Obama rather than them trying to knock each other out the box?

You're right Bev,

Those clowns will focus on bashing President Obama, not on each other.

The media is already pushing Slick Rick and his debut on the stage as something that will be worth watching.....a la Palin!

You are RIGHT, Ron, they were elected to create jobs. They campaigned on job creation. They said they knew how to do it.

Of course they lied; but hey it made for good 'press', I guess.

So, I feel compelled to ask, Where are the jobs?

I think Republicans know about Job Creation about what McCain knew about where Osama bin Laden was. It's a vapor myth. Easily stated,...not so easily executed. What these career politicians hope (and we see this time and again) is that the public won't REMEMBER what they said,...How many times now has Romney said something on video and then said he never said it?

Priceless.

If jobs were the Repubs NUMBER 1 priority,...we'd at least be having discussions about it. not hogtying every piece of business to some program cut, tax cut or other balancing act. A real, stand alone piece of legislation. But they can't do that. They have to keep their electorate engaged and enraged and the only way to do that is through promulgation of the culture wars. Day in and Day out!

I agree with you ewent. We should not forget the Koch brother's war against this president. Read "The New Yorker a piece written by Jane Mayer 8/30/10.

Their goal is to destroy this president and bring down this government and nation as we know it.

In my opinion they own the republicans and tea party folks. Just as the folks in Wisconsin voted for Gov. Walker and when they saw what he was all about they sign petitions for a recall. These same folks who are crying for the blood of this president and lets face it we may have a right wing president in the WH And just like the folks in Wisconsin they will be sorry to late. All the hatred and ill will towards this President will come back to haunt this country.

ewent

I don't know what happen -here is the link

i think its about time that congress needs to remember who puts them in office and think

how they can help us. they do not seem to suffer the consequences that the rest of us do

by there negligent behavior we, the people are drowning.

This is typical media hype, creating a storyline where none exists. Either night there was a conflict but the time could have been adjusted on Wed as well as on Thursday. President Obama knows that the NFL Season Opener is big for the public, an early primary debate not so much, so he opted for Wednesday as his first choice.

Why didn't Obama call Congress back into session on the "5th" and deliver his say nothing message on the day he "originally" said he was going to give it.

It makes no difference anyway, Obama is a master of moving his lips and saying nothing. The Democrat and Republican Paties both suck. They row the same boat, some from the left and some from the right. But they row the same boat to the same destination they collectively want it to go. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete embicile.

Under socialism, there are two classes of people - the wealthy politicians (Reid, Pelosi, McCain, Graham, Obama...) and the poor working class - you and me. If you don't have money, you are not going to be in Federal politics. You have a bunch of rich children, Democrat and Republican, playing with people's lives in D.C. because they can. Because people like you empower the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine by believing in stupid lofty ideals that have no place in reality. Wake up and smell the coffee. Vote for the Independents this time and let's really create change in D.C.

Gomez: Please don't put everyone in the "you and me" category because we're NOT all in that category. I get really tired of people putting "labels" on things that they know nothing about! I work for a living, make a reasonable wage for what I do, and although I'm not rich by ANY means, I do not classify myself in one of two categories. People are ALL in different categories and to try to put them into a "specific" category is ignorance!!

As for the problems we're having, I have to agree -- the problems lie on BOTH sides. We need to elect some real grown-ups to run our country -- the ones we have doing it now are like children in a play yard; i.e., if you don't play MY way, I'll take my ball and go home! It's ridiculous and it gets NO one anywhere! Until our legislators learn to (1) work for their constituents instead of the corporations that "buy" their votes; and (2) learn to compromise, discuss, barnstorm, etc. and find amenable solutions to the problems we face, NOTHING is going to EVER get done with either party in power!!

The only problem I see is that I haven't heard or seen anyone running on the Independent ticket. Secondly, as with Ralph Nadar's attempt at the presidency....votes for him took away votes for either the Democrat or the Republican party. We can't allow the Republican party to take over the presidency this time around....we need to allow this president to finish the job. But, if a GOOD, HONEST Independent were to show up....I might have to change my mind. After all, the slate of both parties leaves a lot to be desired.

I like what Boener's office said: "Just submit your plan, ON PAPER. Drop it in the mail. No podium necessary."

I wonder if there will actually BE a hard copy of Obama's plan. He likes to give speeches and present broad outlines, but is very poor at putting anything on paper or committing to any details. (But loves using the words, "I submitted a plan.")

I am beginning to realize he wanted to be ELECTED president but didn't really think to much about actually BEING president! I think he skated through life skimming over the surface and getting away with broad brush strokes and criticizing others, never getting into details and having a dislike for real work. I mean, he taught constitutional law for like 12 years and never published a single article or paper?! Where are all the students telling us what a brilliant professor he was? (I haven't seen ONE)... He voted "present" 129 times in the Illinois senate. As someone once told me about a colleague, "He likes to find a parade and then march in front of it." Pretty much sums up Obama's life. But now we have found that he is incapable of actually LEADING a parade.

Racist? How is this considered racist. Even Bill Clinton, the first "black" POTUS thought Obama's team blundered this when they couldn't find a calendar and now MSNBC is making a mountain out of a molehill again.

Damage too bad you don't have a party to defend. So as we can see all you have left is hate.

This just in, the republicans have proven that hate and tax cuts creates jobs. When asked they said that tax cuts alone were not creating jobs and thought the addition of hate might do the trick.

If one has no facts or commen sense racial remarks always work.

Renee sorry to disagree with you. Everyone is tired of the race card being played anytime someone criticizes or disagrees with the President. He cannot be put in an insular bubble. It is politics as usual with one side trying to one up the other.

Reenee,

I could not have said it better...

It's a shame that politics are more important to these bigots, than making this country move forward...

I have NEVER seen any president since Ike so disrespected as this president is. The republicans don't even respect the office of the president. The truth of the matter is the color of his skin, plain and simple...

Old white politicians can not stand it that Mr. Obama actually got elected... Well he still has my vote...

@ Renee and Terry Ca Ca.... Unless you two (and the other race card morons on this board) have personal knowledge of racist actions on the part of Boehner or anyone else, you need to STFU. Got it? People are tired of you people and your constant race whining and baiting. What's worse? You two simpletons are probably white. Crying "racism" is the last refuge of scoundrels and is the "McCarthyism" of our time. You two wouldn't know racism if it bit you on your big, fat azz. The word has lost all it's meaning anyway due to it's constantly being thrown around as an excuse for nearly everything in all walks of life.

Anyway, even if Boehner or whoever WAS racist, so what? That's not illegal...yet. Maxine Waters? Al Sharpton? The imbecile that just the other day said the Tea Party wants to lynch blacks? All of those people fit the liberal definition of racism, which is pretty broad, fast and loose. Yet those turds I just named are all heroes to the left. Anyway, have a nice day and, to quote a black, lefty female dog: go to hell.

Got to "love" these liberals and Obama supporters. Reenee Love. LOL. Read her post......It doesn't get any better. Reenee "Bitter and Hate" makes more sense as a name for her.

Most Liberals just can't deal with any point of view other than the one they subscrbe to, without poking a stick at the person they disagree with. Come to think about it...Obama sets the example for that bad behavior....

Most republicans just can't deal with any point of view other than the one they subscribe to, without poking a stick at the person they disagree with.

Just like Tony and Damage prove to us with their every post.

I just have one thing to add to this race conversation.....Do you think the comment would have been made about making Mr. Obama a one term president it he were not half black? Has that comment ever been made about any other elected POTUS? Ever?

Of course...If there was a Republican in the White House, the goal of the Democrats would be to defeat him. You should listen to remarks from Pelosi and Reid about Bush..

This race thing is over played.

President Obama has been announcing since the beginning of his vacation that he would give his jobs speech the 7th of September and the republican talking heads have been going crazy with why not now, why not yesterday?

So in the republicans great search for jobs, lets just put it off until another day, not important. He is just another Democrat that wants to do something for the American people and not the rich.

Hey, AmericanFirst (yea, right what a joke), The Republicans have had the debate scheduled for a few months, so do your research before you decide to make a comment. Obama purposely scheduled it for the same time. He had weeks to give this speech but decided to go have fun in the the ultra-rich destination of Martha's Vineyard.

Tell me again how important jobs are to republicans? How long has the republicans been in charge of the house and how many jobs bills?

The republicans made it real clear by putting President Obama off a day that jobs were not the priority.

Bachmann claims to know how to turn our country around in 90 days, she is already on the payroll, where are her country saving bills?

All of congress, you know the one who makes the laws, have been on vacation. The American people already want something done about jobs, it's the congress that can do something. But, just let the President make another speech and then you can complain about another speech.

I heard it best described the other day. President Obama could walk on water and save a child from drowning and the republicans would complain the president could not swim.

Yea, you're right. I can so see how Obama put jobs first when he scheduled his 10 day trip to the ultra-rich Martha's Vineyard. I can so see how this speech meant soooo much to him and the American people! hahahahahahaha! really you libs are hysterical!

A President lost in the details; an ill-prepared Speaker of the House; and a House majority leader that forgets to take his pills in the morning; and a Senate minority leader with an ego larger than the state of Texas are not indicative of a successful outcome for the American people.

thank you bfitz, best thing i've read all week.

"We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!" if only it were that easy.

couldnt post link. first published in 1984

Very Very Very good article.

Written with humble eloquence, but very hard hitting.

Die Tea Party! Die Party of 'No Compromise'!!!!

so much for civility

I am so tired of this "my pecker is bigger than your pecker routine." Boehner showing his boner that he has for actually getting off his ass and doing something, but that would be working and maybe compromising. Of course that hasn't been seen yet from the Reflublicans. Yes, the spelling is correct. I guess the republicans have dementia since they can't remember the eight years Bush (both jr. and senior) were in office and tanked the economy. Can't wait to see the weak come-back on this one.

Can't remember? are you friggin stupid? Highest stock market, lowest unemployment and then The Liberals pet Fannie/Freddie exploded and is STILL the cause behind the tanking economy. Engage brain before hitting enter doofus.That was Golden times before Liberal policy wrecked the economy.

I'll be watching the football game. Obama has nothing new to say, his pet Solar Panel company just declared bankruptcy and cost the american tax payer $530 million dollars and created no jobs. He obviously has no clue what he is doing.

Can't wait to have a republican take office and we can listen to the crickets when it comes to the answers and solutions they have to solving the current problems. Obama can't do much if the republican controlled house is stopping everything he wants to do. Let's hear it McCrotch I mean McGraw.

way to go Gingerbread Mamma -- Obama is no dummy--------

Thank the good Lord we have someone in Washington to call this President out on a out of line request. Wake up it was a cry to get the negative attention off him self....follow protocal...Call the Speaker before you announce your blow up speach, so when you make it, and nothing comes out of it you can blame someone else for the lack of knowledge needed to run this country...You can't vote present now, so what will he do.... not be present!!!

Die Tea Party! Die Party of "No Compromise"!!!

Gadhafi - 'Let Libya burn'

Tea Party Member???