Congress never turns down a request from the President. It has never happened in history. All this says is a silly GOP debate (one of 20), which already had its time slot moved, is more important than our government. Shameful.

The President should just go ahead and give his speech on the steps anyways and show america where the real obstruction is.

All of a sudden, I have a newfound respect for Obama.

That's the point - he can give his speech. Just not in the House.

They are busy, a fact know to Obama well before today.

So Matt, why did he pick that day?

Busy with what Spanky? Oh yeah, obstructing everything he wants to do, including this speech.

Matt,

Obama's bump in respect from you is canceled out by the drop in respect from me. These are the games of 6 year olds not statesmen. Obama is wrong on this one. They're not telling him he can't give his speech, they asked him to delay it by one day. Obama had no trouble delaying the speech until his vacation was over, what does one more day matter. Its not like his plan is going to create a million jobs overnight.

No, you know what's really silly, Matt L.?......another pointless, susbtanceless speech from an inept president. He gave a damned specch about a hurricane last week, for crissake! Of course, he keeps doing it because that's ALL he's good at.

Spanky:

[That's the point - he can give his speech. Just not in the House. They are busy, a fact know to Obama well before today.]

...yeabut...

...yeabut...

...yeabut...jobs are o, so important, don't you think? Well "counselor"?

...and you STILL haven't answered the questions posted to you:

Should the office of the President of the United States be shown the respect it deserves AND requires?

Or, is it that you feel the prsident himself not be shown the respect he deserves AND requires?Y

Your ball, ambulance chaser...

Maybe Obama could just e-mail his plan to Congress? They can get it out of their spam folder.

JAS1, that was actually funny... a little snarky, but funny.

Sam Stein of Huffington Post:

Reported via Twitter that the initial 7th September date was agreed to by Speaker Boehner ~~ prior to the formal request for the joint session announced by the White House.

Aide to Nancy Pelosi: said House Democrats were not consulted regarding Mr. Boehner's subsequent request for a new date.

[Maybe Obama could just e-mail his plan to Congress? They can get it out of their spam folder.]

Oh smuffs...you're getting desperate, aren't you...

...don't worry...I still think you're hot...

Since seed 1 was collapsed (I wish FR would stop doing that)

Actually, since the Speaker of the House said "NO, not on that day," the President has no choice. As the person in charge of 1/2 of a co-equal branch of government, Mr. Boehner controlls what happens in the House. President Obama should have had the courtesy to call and arrange this before hand. Since he (apparently) did not, Mr. Boehner had every right to slap him down.

I actually don't like Boehner and I do like Obama, but this is just plain stupid. President Obama can't expect respect if he does not give it. He should have respected the Congress and gotten this wired before the letter was written.

jas1, I read these posts everyday. You are without a doubt the dumbest person on the face of the earth. You never have any substance just bitching about the president. We get it you don't like haveing a black president. Have something useful to say or just STFU.

If the house is busy than why is there a debate scheduled?

Question, robiscoole... Is everyone that criticizes the President or disagrees with you a racist?

I can't imagine how the original section of this thread got collapsed. Damn conservative cowards. Actually, they are a bunch of bigots. This from the Pew Research Center:

But the precise nature of the Tea Party has been less clear. Is it solely a movement to reduce the size of government and cut taxes, as its name -- some people refer to it as the Taxed Enough Already party -- implies? Or do its supporters share a broader set of conservative positions on social as well as economic issues? Does the movement draw support across the religious spectrum? Or has the religious right "taken over" the Tea Party, as some commentators have suggested?¹

A new analysis by the Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life finds that Tea Party supporters tend to have conservative opinions not just about economic matters, but also about social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In addition, they are much more likely than registered voters as a whole to say that their religion is the most important factor in determining their opinions on these social issues.² And they draw disproportionate support from the ranks of white evangelical Protestants.

This from the American Sociological Association:

The analysis shows that most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party. But support for the Tea Party is not synonymous with support for the religious right.

Tea party voters are more likely to fear change and harbor negative attitudes toward immigrants, according to a study presented Monday at the American Sociological Association's annual conference in Las Vegas.

The study, called "Cultures of the Tea Party," also claims voters who felt favorably toward the tea party movement valued deference to authority and libertarianism. The report concludes that the tea party movement is not a new political phenomenon, but rather "is best understood as a new cultural expression of the late-20th-century Republican Party."

This from a Harvard/Notre Dame study:

"Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party's "origin story." Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party's supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

What's more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today.

All the studies conclude that the Tea Party is and always has been a small minority in the Republican Party who want more religion, not just less government--and are a bunch of bigots.

Reported via Twitter that the initial 7th September date was agreed to by Speaker Boehner ~~ prior to the formal request for the joint session announced by the White House

Well if Sam Stein of the Huffington Post says so, it must be true.

My gosh you loons on the Left will believe just about anything that is feed to you.

Oh crap.... now I'm really ticked off. Boehner's requesting the president to speak on the first night of NFL football. The Saints are playing the Packers.... I guess I'll just have to watch football instead. Sorry Mr. President... I'll just have to listen to your remarks after the game.

Based on the update above, I guess the President did get the OK on the date before sending the letter, so Speaker Boehner is just being an Axxhole, wow, who woulda' guessed that would happen ?

Anybody got any popcorn, looks like election season is in full gear, and then some.

JoeMike - These are the games of 6 year olds not statesmen. Obama is wrong on this one. They're not telling him he can't give his speech, they asked him to delay it by one day. Obama had no trouble delaying the speech until his vacation was over, what does one more day matter. Its not like his plan is going to create a million jobs overnight.

I guess you didn't see this:

A White House official tells First Read, "Boehner’s office was consulted about the 9/7 date before the letter was released. No objection/concern was raised," so the letter went out.

Yet you had already determined that the president was in the wrong - not Boehner. Why is that?

I'll beat you to it, must be racism...

Also, the President should give his speech, inviting all of the major news anchors to the White house for a round table discussion on the best method to get jobs going. Really get everyone involved in addressing the major issue affecting the country, JOBS. Maybe have the discussion last about 2 hours, after a one hour speech, NOW THAT would be interesting.

Boehner's requesting the president to speak on the first night of NFL football

Obama can go over to Congress tonight to give his little speech. There might be a problem with an echo in the empty chamber, but I'm certain the sound guys can work it out. Is Biden around? At least he can sit behind Obama and clap now and then.

So JoeMike...... Now do you think Boehner is acting like a six-year-old kid?

dirp, The date was negotiated and 'pre-arranged' as per your wishes.

It was only after the formal announcement by the WH, that Mr. Boehner chose to move the date to another day and didn't consult with House Democrats about his new, preferred date.

Arranging these things is not simple. It is Boehner who wants to change the old agreement not me, not you, and not the President.

But Dirp, should there ever be a last-minute conflict the precedent would go to the President of the US. Coz he's busybusybusy like Presidents always are.

Oh for gawd sakes, you can't learn anything when your're too busy talking. Try Google, and look up the 2012 Republican Debate Schedule. And no, Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" is NOT a credible source.

Boehner, you know what this sound like? The old "moved the goal post" boohoo from you. It wasn't the president who asked for more cuts, it was you who asked for less revenue per the Gang of Six proposal. If you'd start returning the president's calls, maybe you wouldn't have these scheduling problems.

The president has the right to the bully pulpit and getting his message out ahead of your spin, whether you like it or not.

Brianb-

Packers vs Saints is a terrific match-up.

President Obama vs the U.S. economy is already settled.

The economy lost.

My gosh you loons on the Left will believe just about anything that is feed to you.

That's funny coming from a group (GOP/TP Inc.) that believes the Flintstones was a documentary, that the wealthy "create jobs" (even though they haven't), that tax cuts for the wealthy and multi-billion dollar corporations "create jobs" (http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2011/04/top_10_companies_that_pay_litt.php) even though they haven't, that girls don't get pregnant as long as you teach them abstinence (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39727979/t/teen-birth-rates-across-us/)

...and that a person can be as big of a creep as they want to during the week, since it's all washed away on sunday:

http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1521182/new_study_republicans_love_porn.html

But, don't let the facts stop you...by all means, continue calling US loons.

As for Agent Orange disrespecting the President of the United States...I would expect nothing less since he gets 98% of what he wants anyway (including the downgrading of America's credit rating)...just ASK him...he'll tell ya.

BTW...it's FED to you...please try to at least spell your insults correctly.

Right Loon ... meet Left Loon.

Ah, the Republican Primary Debate...who would want to miss yet another gift to the Dems? I'll just wait to laugh at the highlights...

Backhouse: I hear ya. I actually believed that someone in the WH had messed up and not gotten this prewired. The various updates just go to show that Speaker Boehner is an A$$.

Mixed Bag.. too funny... unfortunately if the economy loses with all of the BS happening in DC, we all lose.

Boehner probably had a golf T-time or Happy Hour conflict in schedule--It couldn't have been his spray-on tan appointment. And was the joint session to be during the two weeks of work, or the one week off? Because no one likes their "bennies" the way Boehner does.

How can anyone trust obummer on the economy...he can't even schedule a speech...

All he is going to propose is more porkulus...at $200K a job no one with common sense will get behind that. More regulation...yeah that's going to help. We have enough lawyers. More hiden taxes on the middle class (e.g. tax reform); he's going to bleed us dry.

2012 can't get here soon enough!!

I suppose you weren't paying attention in Civics class.

1. Agent Orange controls the House schedule, not President Obama.

2. President Obama doesn't make laws or regulations...CONGRESS does.

3. We have enough lawyers? Interesting since ALL elected members of the GOP/TP Inc. are lawyers too. Oops!

4. Again, the PRESIDENT doesn't make tax reforms or laws...CONGRESS does.

5. I can't WAIT for 2012...since I plan to vote AGAINST every single backward azz GOP/TP Inc. candidate I can.

But, by all means, continue to vote for ultra-conservative billionaires and expect them to give a sh!t about your little problems...heck, maybe they'll make you an honorary millionaire as a thank you for your efforts to keep them in office.

ChiCity

Question, robiscoole... Is everyone that criticizes the President or disagrees with you a racist?

Answer: Yes, usually if they are a tea-bagger or obstructionist Republican

It's total disrespect; that's all. Have you ever heard of any president been denied a request to speak? What if this had been GW Bush?

House historian says public move by Boehner to tell #Obama to change date is unprecedented. Negotiations usually happen behind closed doors.

http://twitter.com/#!/LukeRussert/status/109008908319850497

It was also unprecedented for Joe Wilson to yell out YOU LIE This is all pure bigotry. Yes I said it. I'm not afraid to call out these evil, bigoted, Republicans and Tea-Pottys.

So tell me who is politicizing?

To me it looks like the hateful T-bagges and the drunk who holds the Speakers gravel; Republican John Boehner.

Bev - we all know you speak about racism and hatred from your own personal experience with it. You are definitely well informed in the fine art of hatred and bigotry.

Why looky here- Bev. admits it's all about racism.

And I even looked up bigot.

To recap if yo are a conservative according to Bev. you are a racist.

and according to Navy you are a neo-nazi.

So simple, so dumb.

And again the President gives in to the tan man. Why? It is a childish fight but the point is if you always give in he will always disagree with you and it goes on and on and on. Even a 5th grader understands why you don't encourage bad behavior. Mr. President, you were not being smarter than a 5th grader with this argument. Should have worked with NBC to delay the debate or your speech by an hour. Quit giving in to people that hate the sight of you. Yes he hates the sight of you as do most Republicans you are trying to play nice with. Sorry for the sobering comment. But I can see it 3000 miles away. You must be blind if you can't.

President Obama is now going to speak on Thursday in competition to football. The president could have booked another forum if he really wanted to. This just goes to show that the president was not playing politics.

It would have been great having the president's speech, followed by the debate instead of a lame rebuttal. GOP/TP candidates in the debate could have responded to the speech real time instead of parroting scripted talking points. I might have watched it that way.

So only the hard-core base will watch the debate, and the rest of us will entertain ourselves with highlights on the news later. And the rest of us know the president has been conciliatory once again, while Boehner has dissed the president once again with unwillingness to compromise to get 100% of what he wanted.

Oh, for those who may not know, "dissed" means disrespect. Please refer to my post #2.15 above. President Obama has been shown the least amount of respect in comparison to any other president, in part because of race.

And the American working people have been dissed as well. In the 239 days the Republicans have controlled the House, they haven't done a dang thing to fight for jobs. They don't give a sh!t about you people. If you want to hear a b!tch session, tune into the debate, and if you want to hear about solutions, tune into the president's speech on Thursday.

In those 239 days, all they've done is legislate against women's health and try to suppress voting. Busy, I think not. They only work four days a week, but probably three of those are fundraisers.

Everybody hates Obama because he's black? I thought it was because he thought he was a king and not a president. You want to be respected like a president then you had better start acting like one. Don't go on a long vacation in the middle of a crisis. Insist that congress stay in session until issues are worked out. Dems and Reps are both scumbags.

All you sheep keep following Democrats and/or the Republicans. You will continue to lose more and more freedom everyday. Nothing will change for the better. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

No one has disrespected the President! However, the President has disrespected the country and Constitution for 3 years! If you put his 'jobs speech' against the cartoons on Saturday morning, he'd still come in last place! Thank you Mr. Boehner for not allowing obama to play a little gamesmanship with his 'last minute' shchedule request.

I too will be watching the Packers thursday night, let the few liberals who still support Obama get bored to tears watching his mastery of the teleprompter!

#2.29 Hilarious Mixed. And then again, really sad.

You are absolutely correct!

You expected respect when a black man was elected to President? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, oh.....here it comes......the race card!! Eric, that probably earned you a gold star from the keeper of the DNC Official Playbook!

Sam Stein of Huffington Post:

Reported via Twitter that the initial 7th September date was agreed to by Speaker Boehner ~~ prior to the formal request for the joint session announced by the White House.

Aide to Nancy Pelosi: said House Democrats were not consulted regarding Mr. Boehner's subsequent request for a new date.

If it came from Huffington, it must be true...

You can't possibly have a black man upstage a white event. It's just not done.

This is silly. The White House did all the usual informal prior clearances as is normal for such events. You dont just "write a letter", its dumb, always, always you ring round first to make sure all is well and no clash etc. Then you send out the formal letter. Its the same for any major event not just The House, same in Business .... any walk of life where complex arrangements need to be made.

Then what happens - Boehner throws his teddy out the pram ...... I'm the big boy here, so you can wait a day. Its pathetic, kids in junior high school know better than that, and he is supposd to be a House Leader??? He has a responsibility as a House leader that transcends party spin. He should be repremanded hard for this, its childish.

BS Backhouse...nice try!

Hey, oldman young eyes ... we could get some action on a jobs program as soon as we throw the TeaParty/Republicans out of this next election. Until then, we have to grin and bear it and hope we can get there without too much damage.

thing about "Huffington" you DA's that make fun of it.... is that it tells the truth about how both sides are screwing us ...UNLIKE FAUX "NEWS", who hates obama but would never say a bad word about Bush's "other idiot sellout" screw ups and lies You are really too dumb to realize that just like the daily show they pointed out all of the screwups and lies that republicans did while in office , while fox never would. Fox just talked crap about the daily show and the huffington post.NOW Obama is president and Jon stewart is pointing out his screwups and lies, so is the huffington post, and wow fox is also. Imagine that "faux noise" being "fair and balanced" only points out bad things about democrats, and The daily show and the huffington post points out bad things about anyone doing bad things, democrat or republican....think about it... you ARE STOOOPID. Try reading something instead of just listening to other idiots. copy and paste this dummies if you have the nerve= proof.

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Huffington Post releases article slamming Obama for being a sellout

I guess I don't understand the problem. Let the networks that want to air the debates, air the debates. If you don't want to listen to the debates change the channel. If the people want to hear Obama speech, have the other networks air the speech. If you don't want to listen to his speech turn to another channel. How much more easier can you get?

It's so much easier for the liberals to whine about Boehner... in fact they've become very very good at it. For as much posturing the conservatives do when it comes to Obama, the libbies do even more towards the republicans, one and all. In fact, for months, I haven't heard a single liberal say one thing favorable towards the republicans. Not one thing. If anyone were to make a wild guess, it would have to be that liberals can't stand 28% of the population... How can an ideology that contains so many bleeding hearts hate so strongly that many of the entire population of the country. It's misguided and totally unreasonable. The party of compassion is really the party of hypocracy.

You have to admit that Boehner is a terrible leader. He's too partisan. If you don't agree, please tell me one thing that the Republicans have done lately to help the jobs crisis. There are, according to several sources more than forty bills in committee which could have been acted on before they went on vacation. It's regrettable that the dialogue has been poisoned, but that's how they won so many seats in 2010, death panels and all.

Bonehead really missed an opportunity. He could have said, "Yes, Mr. President, we can shift our schedule. The unemployment situation in this country needs addressed immediately, and we can simply move our current schedule to the next day. Waiting even one day puts one more day of stress on the American people, who we serve. Working together, we can make this happen." Opportunity knocks but once . . . and Boehner slammed the door on it.

Back to my old mantra: Pull together, not apart.

Would that be more or less disrespectful than not attending state dinners or returning the President's phone calls during crucial negotiations?

Me thinks the Weeper of the House doth protest TOO MUCH!

When has be shown one ounce of respect to the President?

Karma really is a b!tch isn't it Boehner?

Steeler Fan - If we can wait for 2 weeks of golf on the Vineyard, then another day won't matter. I think we both know that President Obama deliberately picked the time/date to tweak the Republicans. This type of game playing has got to stop, and the President needs to lead the way. Go Seelers!!

You mean like every republican out there pick's their dates to conflict or pre-empt...come on. Now what was Romney going to talk about?......So, do you think the republican candidates will talk about actual problems, maybe one new thought, or will they all default and just bash the President again...and again....and again....and again. What a broken record...your guys bore us to tears...

For you people to complain about disrespect to the office of the President by the Speaker, after the way Nancy Pelosi spoke of and treated the Bush White House, is just hilarious.

Jonathan---thanks for the shout out for my Steelers---hoping for a good year for the black and gold.

Do you really suggest the President's 10 day working vacation (which was cut short due to the hurricane) made a difference in addressing Congress which has been on vacation for 5 weeks?

Dear Mr President,

How dare you attempt to address congress when a GOP debate is about to take place. Mr President if I've said once I've said it a thousand times...GOP grandstanding first, JOBS second.

You must be a union man.

Somebody remind me why this speech needs to be made in Congress? Is that the only way they can hear it?

Feisty.......more popcorn saturated in lots and lots of butter. That cellulite looks great through those slacks! If I schedule a meeting to review a multi million dollar deal and my boss emails me to request a meeting to discuss operations. I would refuse the meeting with an explanation that I have a pre scheduled meeting. And he would understand. And regardless of the fact that my boss makes 2 times what the president of the United States makes Im good with that! So should he be!

I would say not attending state dinners is about the same as the president not attending Congressional prayer breakfasts ( but having Ramadan dinners for Muslims. No Christmas dinners, no Hanukkah dinners, but Muslim dinners>). Spo Obama wnts to give a campaign speech for Congress, on national tv. in prime time. Go figure. From what the experts have seen, the jobs he will talk about won't even kick in for at least 4 years, if they are approved in Sept..

It's all politics as usual in DC..

Jonathan, seriously, that's all you've got. We waited FIVE weeks for Congress to come back from playing golf as opposed to President Obama's 9-day vacation.

[For you people to complain about disrespect to the office of the President by the Speaker, after the way Nancy Pelosi spoke of and treated the Bush White House, is just hilarious.]

Bringing up Bush, are we White Collar Ignorant?

...things are getting so desperate the GOP/Teabaggers have resorted to bringing up Bush...Now THAT'S hilarious!

Bringing up Bush, are we White Collar Ignorant?

No doubt about it!

The tea baggers keep the BUSH card tucked firmly up their sleeve and have NO reservations about playing it when ever convenient! lol

Sorry Jody - he said he'd give this very speech last August.

A year is much longer than 5 weeks.

So Jody, why didn't he give this speech, like he said we was going to do, last year? Did we not need it then?

Jody?

[he said he'd give this very speech last August.]

Obama seems like he's into re-runs. He's been talking "jobs" now, for what, nearly 3 years? Now he's working on "Plan L" seeing "Plan A" through "Plan K" have failed.

High speed rail Barry. Just do it. Solar powered high speed rail, . . . . , to nowhere.

Spanky-

Bev. dear, I asked mighty nice like - why did use use the term bigot?

Bev. did you look it up in the dictionary? Knowledge is power Bev.

Spanky-
You may want to reflect on the knowledge I gave you numerous occasions about the word bigot having several meanings; you clown.

Since my post about leading behind from one of your buds, I was not able to edit due to time constraints, let me finish.

Here it is...

d. the President keep us from a near depression he bailed out GE which has J-O-B-S which btw is related to jobs in other industries.

Since the people want J-O-B-S which promised the bobble-heads and didn't create

So tell me now. Where and how are the the bobble-head t-baggers and GOP leading behind what the people want? Remember, the bobble-heads are bobbling their heads behind the corporation CEOs sitting on $2.5 trillion worth of J-O-B-S

White Collar Auto

Geez, Burnham, I don't know where you are from, but I don't want you anywhere near my Rear End behind a barn.

Talk about leading from behind............

Okay, stiff Collar

Let's talk about it. Our struggle requires all of us — together — to do the work that means all of getting behind the President; particularly, with billions of dollars needed since the hurricane and tornado.

The GOP/TP is so far apart from mainstream America they need to get behind what thee people are asking for: J-O- B-S

As you can see there is "NO" rush for these bubble head Tea- Tardys and Republicans to get behind the people and lead.

The President didn't need to do chest-thumping, or put up a "Mission Accomplished" banner. He kept a low-profile and did an inexpensive ouster of Col. Muammar Qadhafi ; another milestone for the administration without any human lives of our Armed Forces.

So now you tell me who is the 'the real war president'.

a. he kept his plan to his vest got Bin laden; bush, Um I mean heartless Cheney didn't

b. Somali piraets

c. took out top Al quedia

d.

Oh "counselor"...

...you haven't answered my questions...why is that? I mean, jobs are really REALLY important, right? Why oh why doesn't Boehner show the respect the presidency commands?

...we're waiting...or has lawyerin' got so hard for you that you can't bring yourself to bill your "clients" for the time it takes to address my questions, or do you just have me on ignore?

..Oh, and later I have a bone to pick with you over your parroting of the CERN study...

...hope you got your ducks in a row, as they say...

Oh, I almost forgot, Spanky...

...tick tock, "counselor"...tick...tock...

oldman young eyes

I would say not attending state dinners is about the same as the president not attending Congressional prayer breakfasts ( but having Ramadan dinners for Muslims. No Christmas dinners, no Hanukkah dinners, but Muslim dinners>). Spo Obama wnts to give a campaign speech for Congress, on national tv. in prime time. Go figure. From what the experts have seen, the jobs he will talk about won't even kick in for at least 4 years, if they are approved in Sept..

What does a speech to a joint session of congress have to do with a state dinner?

What Christmas did he have a Muslim dinner?

What experts said the "jobs he will talk about" (but hasn't revealed yet) won't kick in for at least 4 years?

old man is making no sense at all ... I agree with you. Ramadan, which is a big moslem holiday, is having their big dinner RIGHT NOW ... it's been a while since it would have been held at Christmas, seeing as how the moslem calendar is a lunar calendar.

What amazes me is, we read statements from the ill informed about this, that or the other thing that is spout off as fact. I.E. Mattl 2.1. How does he know a request has never been turned down before? Has he actually gone back and researched all the president's requests for a joint session to know for sure. I spect not. It was an attempt at opinion to be interpreted or construed as fact. I do think that for the educated to learn how stupid one is all they have to do is open their mouths and say something. Gets a bit tiring. And besides Mr. President's request was not turned down, it was only a request to re-schedual a time. WOW.....and we expect some in the electorate to make informed decisions.

How about he moves his speech up to 9/6?

House should be wide open. Then it'd look bad if anyone refused to go back early.

You think maybe Obama has something else in mind?

Spanky, your disdain for the president is showing again, Little Dude...

[Trolls are genderless.]

Actually, Spanky says he's a "metrosexual"...

Daryl please complete this sentence:

The speech has to be before congress because________.

And ps - NBC and Politico are hosting the debate, which makes this all the more amusing.

Prediction anyone? I bet Obama will back down. He usually does.

Spanky: the President has no choice, it's SPEAKER Boehner's HOUSE. The President can't address a joint session of Congress, or even enter the building, without on official invitation, that old seperation of powers thingy.

Wait, wait this is a new level of libbie powerless-ness.

dirp101 are you saying that Obama cannot control the timing, location or venue for his own speech? The conservatives have that much power and control?

Why even both running for president is that's the case?

Ain't no reason he has to give it to a joint session. Look up the types of speeches typically given there. This is not it.

Spanky-

dirp101 are you saying that Obama cannot control the timing, location or venue for his own speech? The conservatives have that much power and control?

Again your lack of knowledge is demonstratively effusive.

What they can't save the GOP debate on their DVR????

I kind of expected the collapse! It was rude, but Feisty and Bev get way more rude on an every other post basis!

Spanky: The speech has to be before congress because________.

Whenever the subject is a matter of national import, the President can request to be heard by a joint session of Congress. The State of the Union is a formal and scheduled example of this.

This topic - jobs, the economy - is obviously of national import. You may have noticed that both sides have been arguing about it.

For a lawyer, you don't seem to know much...

fielden you do understand the difference between "has to" and "can be" right?

He can, but does not have to do it in from of the joint session.

So your response was response to mine how? Especially the "The State of the Union is a formal and scheduled example of this." PaRT

Dude if you are not going to read your own posts why should we?

Actually, dangerfield...

In terms of pure entertainment...it really is perfect.

On the one hand, here's NBC News (and really, our hosts here at First Read)...President Obama's number #1 media cheerleader...hosting a debate of Republican Presidential candidates.

Then...

You have President Obama offering a major policy address on the same day...at the same time.

I suppose you'll insist that "entertainment" isn't really the issue.

OK.

I'll buy that.

So...explain this scheduling.

Would Hillary...EVER... have done something like this?

You find this entertaining?

Whoever was President from whichever party would be doing the same thing in today's political environment, as it isn't the individual but the collective political gamesmanship mentality operating here.

The typical partisan response is to decry the one while turning a blind eye to the other, and that's what we're seeing here. Maybe if you guys weren't so busy cheering for your side they wouldn't be able to get away with it, but it is what it is.

I believe that Hillary would have "done" the jobs thing 2 years ago, and be holding Mitch's, Eric's and the Speaker's... in a little jar on her desk in the Oval, so not a workable hypothetical.

Darryl, and perhaps your other brother...

Spouting the same partisan clap-trap only highlights my point...and I actually think I saw a cartoon once on the Founding Fathers and American history...but it was on PBS

Any President who would send such a letter, without knowing it would be approved in advance, is just asking to be put in his or her place. Speaker Boehner made President Obama look foolish, payback will be a bitch.

"Whoever was President from whichever party would be doing the same in today's political environment..."

I'm surprised to hear you say that, dangerfield.

Surprised, because...even as a conservative...I believe you've argued effectively that Hillary Clinton would have been vastly preferable, as a leader, to President Obama.

Your argument that Clinton would not have expended vast amounts of political capital on an unpopular HCR bill (instead of legislation aimed at jobs creation) with absolutely no bipartisan support was persuasive to me, if no one else, here at First Read.

In fact, aren't you actually contradicting yourself?

President Obama or President Clinton...

Or even, President McCain.

No difference?

You don't believe that for a New York minute, pal.

The current political environment stinks...unfortunately, so does the leadership from the White House.

Tell me I'm wrong, dangerfield.

Better bring your "A" game.

You're wrong MB, and you're not "mixed" any more...you're not only playing just one side of the field you're even begun selectively reading replies to fit your "opinions" Telling me what I believe? Really?

What happened to you? Did you succumb to the "First Read" virus?

Your argument that Clinton would not have expended vast amounts of political capital on an unpopular HCR bill (instead of legislation aimed at jobs creation) with absolutely no bipartisan support was persuasive to me, if no one else, here at First Read.

And because she would not have wasted her political capital on HCR she would have instead...

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"I believe that Hillary would have "done" the jobs thing 2 years ago, and be holding Mitch's, Eric's and the Speaker's... in a little jar on her desk in the Oval, so not a workable hypothetical."

Where is the contradiction?

ANYONE in the WH today with approvals in the 40's and their Presidency on the ropes would stoop to the same nadir because it is ACCEPTED practice in our fractured political culture.

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No MB, the current leadership. Harry Reid, Eric Cantor, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and Barack Obama, ALL leave something to be desired and NONE of them has had the ability to rise above the petty gamesmanship, partisanship and finger pointing that you seem to only see one side of now. Your "bag" appears to be to be pretty homogenous.

As to the nonsense about "bringing" my "A" game? (you even sound like them now)

McCain Grandstanded in Iraq, in his BS " marketplace tour" He theatrically "halted" his faltering presidential campaign to deal with the financial crisis, but you believe he would be "above" something like this with his approval in the low 40's and his administration on the ropes? Based on what? YOU can't honestly believe that.

sfcret

Anyone who believes this was not political, has their heads up their butts. For Carney to tell such a bald face lie only tells you what this administration is all about, getting Obama reelected by any means possible

You're a f***ng LIAR. It's about something the retarded GOP/TP have been asking. That'd be J-O-B-S

Something they refuse to produce They rather sit on their greedy a** and be sock puppets for the CEOs who are hoarding trillions of dollars due to their so called uncertainty.

BTW: uncertainty, as I said before is people who have been out of a job for years, or a poor mother working part-time with out benefits wondering about the choices she has to make, the elderly and veterans who were denied energy assistance, the poor children whose food stamps were cut. See, that's the real uncertainty these greedy bigots created because they don't give a hill of beans about this country pulling together.

The republicans don't even want to give money to the poor people devastated by mother nature's hurricane and tornado because they are sock puppets to these greedy, corporatist, CEO's.

Get Serious!!!

[15 minute notice is very disrespectful.]

Not giving the president of the Unites States preference is disrespectful...but not to Teabaggers, it seems.

B I N G O!!!

...but they just can't get it.

Little do they realize the problems they are creating down the road if/when they do get an electable candidate and/or there is a future Republican president.... oh well! Let us just stick to our guns:

NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Beverly, we all know what his speech is going to be about. If you don't think that the timing was intentional, there is no point in even having a discussion with you. Carney's backhanded comment about competing with the "wildlife channel and cooking channel" showed his disdain. It is what it is, but don't deny that this scheduling was done on purpose or there is no reason anyone should take you seriously.

Beverly - Your rant proves one thing that you have no clue what is going on with this administration and how incompetent they are. I know you are from Chicago so I will give you a pass along with Fiesty and the other merry band of liberals. But please try and answer my questions if you are going to respond to my posts. Such as why does he need a "joint session of congress", which is usually reserved for major speeches on national security and of course the "state of the union" speech? Also if he knew he was going to present a jobs bill plan, as he has been saying for weeks, why pick Sept 7th, the day congress comes back from vacation? Why can't he just present a written proposal of his plan to congress and also give a written copy to the press, internet and other news outlets?

Mickey, yes, 15 minutes notice is disrespectful as is the fact that the WH released the date to the news media without waiting for a reply from the house or senate.

How come no one is questioning why the House is waiting until Wednesday to return to work? Labor Day is over on Monday, not Tuesday. They are getting paid by US to do OUR work. They should be back in their offices and on the floor of the House on Tuesday, or NOT be paid for all of the time off, including that extra holiday they seem to want to take.

ChiCity:

I feel all kinds of left out on this. I don't know what the speech is going to be about. Would you be good enough to give me the specifics right now?

As far as Bev denying that the scheduling was done on purpose, I think that goes without saying. Surely you aren't suggesting the scheduling was done by accident, are you? I think you meant to say that it was scheduled with the intention that it conflict with the Obama Bash in that same time slot. That could be true. It might also not be true. With what powers are you gifted that allow you to read the minds of others?

May I have the winning lottery numbers for PowerBall please?

Looks as if the GOPTP can't do two things at once. How many votes will they be taking at 8 PM, what could possibly be on the agenda when Congress has been gone for 5 weeks? Wednesday should be a good day since Congress just returned, they can't have much on the agenda.

sfcret, I started out here being a very strong moderate Independent, I voted and served under both Mr Carter and Mr Clinton ( I actually still like Mr Clinton). However this gimme gimme gang has pushed me more and more to the right! I live in down town Detroit and live on a street where me and my wife are the only white people. We get along really well with all of our neighbors for several reasons. one is that they are aware of my military service and since I take several of them to the firing line and have taught them how to handle several weapons platforms. They also know they can depend on me to take on anyone that causes harm to our neighborhood. They are not outwardly political people even though they are mostly Mr Obama supporters. I mean they know better than to bite the hand that feeds them. However NONE of them are as nasty and vitriolic as the people on this blog. I also am a emergency foster parent and take in up to 8 children a month from crack raids and murders in the downtown area. I can not imagine how the people who live with these gang of gimme gimme even think about disagreeing with them. Can you imagine what would happen if they dare to disagree with any of them. Im actually convinced they are not even able to have a relationship with anyone but them selves!

David, what a load of BS. The speech will be about jobs, and several of the specifics have been leaking out over the last week. You play semantics with me, I don't care.

As for your scheduling comment, how old are you? Are you really so dense that you couldn't infer that I meant the scheduling was done on purpose to coincide with the debate, or do you always act like a condescending child? Just as Boehner's response that is was for security and logistics purposes to have the follwing night is total bogus, so is anyone that wants to make the case that Obama didn't intentionally try to schedule it during the debate. Anyone that doesn't see both actions for what they are, are just being willfully ignorant.

FYI, I work with someone that is very closely linked with a US Senator, on their campaign staff (he shall remain nameless). We both are having a good laugh over all people here who are trying to make any claim that Obama's move wasn't calculated.

I mean they know better than to bite the hand that feeds them.

WTF is THAT suppose to mean!

Who are they?

I have read some pretty racist comments over the years here at First Read BUT you take the PRIZE for the biggest racist I have EVER had the displeasure of running across!

I also am a emergency foster parent and take in up to 8 children a month from crack raids and murders in the downtown area.

Yeah RIGHT!

And the moon is made out of cheese & pigs like yourself can fly!

However NONE of them are as nasty and vitriolic as the people on this blog

This coming from an @!$%# who posted this less then an hour ago...

lmao..... you two must have yeast infections! Your vaginas are being rude! Im sure Feisty or bev can help you with that.

While I'm at it - you sure got your clocked cleaned the other evening on your military bull@!$%#!

I'm still LMAO@U!

The more YOU brag the more convinced I am the only security clearance you posses was earned once you finally reached level (5) on Nintendo Duck Hunt!

Real military personnel who have served have no desire to boast about their service, let alone having to mention it in every single post on some Internet blog!

You're dismissed Kernal Klink!

Feisty, speaking in superlatives as usual. Everything is always, "the most" to you. Your credibility is zero.

By the way, Roselle is beautiful, huh?

ChiCity:

Infer? You inferred nothing. Get thee to a dictionary. What you did was jump to a conclusion based on your bias. Nothing less and nothing more.

As certainly as you say the speech will be about jobs, you can make the case that this post is about typing. There's more to it than that though, isn't there?

The fact is you do not KNOW the intent of the scheduling, nor do you know the content of the President's speech.

By the way, I know the first cousin, who is dating the brother of the wife of a stepson of a former Representative who drove a car that looked very similar to the President's. The cousin says he doesn't know why the scheduling coincided with the confab of the know-nothings at the Obama Bash. Hey, I'm in the know too.l

David, you are a total tool. If you read my post, I asked if "Are you really so dense that YOU couldn't infer"?

Infer: Verb: Deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

I'll ask again, when I said that Obama's scheduling was done on purpose, could you not infer what I meant? If not, you are the one that is lacking in intelligence.

As for the guy I work with, your smart alec comment doesn't really bother me. Fact is, I live in an area where many people are politically plugged in, resulting from the enormous political donations made (more Democratic party than Republican). I am about to leave work (I have a job, do you?) to head back to my comfortable home. Hopefully you have a rag around to wipe the foam from your mouth. Take a breath, and relax. Your little digs at me don't bother me. After all, there is no better revenge than living well, and I do. Good luck to you.

One last thing, if we don't know that Obama scheduled this on purpose to conflict with the previously scheduled debate, do we know that Boehner didn't suggest the following day for the real reasons he said he did? Now who is showing bias?

LMAO...... Id kiss you but my dogs would never forgive me!

sfcret

Beverly - Your rant proves one thing that you have no clue what is going on with this administration and how incompetent they are.

sfcret

Tea- tard rule #1: Thou shalt attack opponents personally when you can't win on substance. Never in history has a President been denied to speak before Congress. Guess that shows how much you know.

Stick your fingers in your ear instead of trying to make keyboard strokes. That way your stupidity wont be so apparent.

Some opinions are more rooted in fact than others, and some opinions are based on evidence not available to everyone. Capiche?

In a normal situation I would feel bad about a statement like that! In your case I dont, I find you vile and vitrolic in every sense of both words. My service record is exemplary and beyond question. But I dont expect a unpatriotic nasty he/she/it to consider anyones service no matter who they are to be important. Im pretty sure you wouldnt even pass the physical for service to my country! I was considering telling you my unit designation but I did a search last evening and my name is still all over DOD documents and Im not about to let you know my name. Im sure you never even thought about being a foster parent.....then again Im sure you could'nt pass the state police and fbi background search anyways. I will try to refrain from being rude .....its not usually my style, but then again you are No lady! More like females In every port this mans navy ever pulled into! Everything is always used to your advantage which is why Im sure there is NO ONE in your life that has thier onw opinion! The more you chat the more Spanky makes sense.

More like females In every port this mans navy ever pulled into!

Why I do believe you have me confused with your SIX ex-wives...

Im not about to let you know my name

Interesting - you have ZERO problem bragging about everything else...

Like I said earlier, real military members DO NOT boast about it! ;o)

Carry on Kernel Klink!

You may not resume your regularly scheduled Klan meeting - I'm sure there's a neighbor or two who are in need of a good old fashion cross burning to teach them NOT to bite the hand that feeds them!

Its Chief Petty Officer to you! You truly are vile! And I have never talked about specifics on anything, but when people who have never been out of this country or even out of their state comment on issues concerning people and governments in those countries.....I will expound. I have never told you that Ive killed any one or what kinds of weapons I was responsible for building and deploying. I comment on what I have observed and participated in. They only two events I've mentioned were the failed hostage rescue and Mr Reagan's answer to Quaddfai's lockerbie bombing. Both of which I participated in and am very proud of. Your correct in that most spec ops people do not talk about current missions. But in case you have been locked in a mud hut for 4 months you would have noticed several former seals taking about tier service on major network TV. I have not even touched their comments. I realize you do not love this country and have nothing but hatred in your heart!

LOL

@Feisty "Like I said earlier, real military members DO NOT boast about it!"

I could swear Navy boasts about his service with his blog handle alone and every chance he gets to remind posters of his service. Please........ and to quote you, you are dismissed.

Its Chief Petty Officer to you!

Sorry - sweetie it's weekend warrior for you! lol

You truly are vile!

Do YOU seriously think I'm the least bit offended my your name calling? lol

Honey - I've been called a lot worse by a lot better then YOU then you'll ever be! ;o)

Now go them negroes who's the BOSS big daddy!

I could swear Navy boasts about his service with his blog handle alone and every chance he gets to remind posters of his service

Maybe you could point me to a post where Navy has EVER bragged about what unit he served in, what injury he received or what his security clearance was...

Cause, I'll be damned, in the year & a half he's been posting - I've NEVER seen it!

We'll be waiting.... *jeopardy music playing*

PS: My husband did TWO tours on Viet Nam and he and his buddies RARELY if EVER even talk about it!

Im sure my neighbors would love you talking about them that way. It hard to stand on principle when your entire income is derived through the opposite of that principle. As In cut off their nose to spite their face. And Im sorry to disappointing you but as previously stated 10 years in the "OLD" navy I could dress you down like a phillipino whore, but I'm sure your used to being treated that way!

Feisty, My father was in the Navy, my brother in Vietnam. My uncles and cousins in every branch of the service, even a retired Colonel and none of them would ever call out their service as their internet name including the fact they were disabled. Please try to tell everyone again Navy isn't trying to shove it in your face....

Navy isn't trying to shove it in your face....

*jeopardy music playing*

Do do do da do do do - dumb da dum da dum dum dum!

I simply asked YOU to prove it and evidenced YOU can't!

Thanks for playing, however, we are fresh out of parting gifts for right wing nitwits...

You are as stupid as we think,

Obama has stalled, delayed and stonewalled on jobs for three years !

The pick of time/date was deliberate. I wish the President would grow up. He kept everyone waiting for 2 weeks of golfing, and THEN just 'happens' to pick the same time as the debate? Yoou know this to be so - so you must like the games.

That would be interesting or even insightful had Obama no said exactly one year ago today that he would shortly be giving a speech laying out a jobs plan.

You remember that, don't you Not as Stupid?

Pretty funny how Obama's timing is that bad, and that you accuse Boehner of delay.

So Stupid, was Obama's speech a year ago good? What's that he never gave one? Huh.

Facts are hard right not as stupid? Easy to spout off crap about the other side in ignorance?

It sure must be.

Interesting perspective...

To me though, it seems that Boehner & the Norquist loyalists simply see absolutely NO reason to either hurry nor act on the job creation issue while the President is anxious to "git er dun" and wants to start moving as quickly as possible.

Bob numbers & Jonathan - you keep spinning YOUR RNC talking points and I will keep on submitting "the rest of the story" for the voters to consider.

Nov. '12 will tell the tale.....

Easy to spout off crap about the other side in ignorance?

It sure must be.

You obviously know Spanky....you do it so often.

I humbly defer to your expertise....

Spanky-

So Stupid, was Obama's speech a year ago good? What's that he never gave one? Huh.

Facts are hard right not as stupid? Easy to spout off crap about the other side in ignorance?

It sure must be.

Spanky- Here's another stupid question? How many times have the baggies, Bohenor, Mc Connell said "NO", apart from the extension of the Bush tax cuts?

Since you know so much if you don't answer correctly you ARE stupid.

Spanky, so you're saying the office of the presidency doesn't deserve the respect of having an important time slot?

Or, are you saying that it's Obama that doesn't deserve the respect...?

You know damn well it is about respect for the presidency..stop being the dick that you are and grow up...just when I think you couldn't make a bigger ass of yourself, you go and say something that throws you over the top...

...Mediocrity, Little Dude...mediocrity...

Balls on your turf, "counselor"...

Bev - the gop certainly did not prevent Obama from giving the speech last year.

So Bev. why didn't he? Or more tot he point why did he say he was going to?

Kinda silly to tell people you are going to do something, then not do it.

Too funny daryl - you say not to do somethng then do that very thing.

Man up and follow your own advice. Stop refering to me. Should be real easy for you. right?

But yet all you seem to be able to do is call me names.

daryl - you know about names, right? Stickes and stones.

Hell - I bet your other brother daryl even knows that.

Respect is earned not given because of rank or authority.

Ask yourself, what was scheduled first? Why is this speech so much more important than the others he has given on jobs? Why does it warrant a full Congressional audience? What can be gained by this sort of gamesmanship? The answers to these questions can lead even the most ardent Obama supporter to the realization that Obama is not ready for prime time.

Funny that I see spanky as making a point most of the time and when he is wrong admitting it promptly. On the other hand I see you people, acting most times like you know everything and when your wrong reverting to vile vitriolic name calling. I have to remind you always that you are the M I N O R I T Y! The right is also a M I N O R I T Y the difference. They NEVER call me names or disrespect my service in any manner. I could just as easily vote democratic if I felt they had our best interest in mind. I just dont with this administration. One or two things will happen to this post......lets see!

Hey Mickey,

YOU ARE A DISGUSTING PIG!

If we had a Code of Honor, I am pretty sure you would be in violation of it.

Oh, and facts make his vagina itch...

Spanky,

Thanks for the two Daryl's, reference, very witty.

YOU ARE A DISGUSTING PIG!

Now now totas - where's your phony OUTRAGE at this?

jollyoldsoul1

lmao..... you two must have yeast infections! Your vaginas are being rude! Im sure Feisty or bev can help you with that.

#5.5 - Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:37 PM CDT

What's that you say?

Damn, your double standards are incredible & also highly entertaining... lol

[YOU ARE A DISGUSTING PIG! ]

thetoadie:

Why, thank you!

My, you ARE a conservative, aren't you...seems you don't like the word vagina...go figure...

Oh, and if you don't like my posts, here's a hint: DON'T READ 'EM!

Feisty,

thetoadie is just jealous that I referenced Schpanky's 'ginny, and not his...

Oh, and if you don't like my posts, here's a hint: DON'T READ 'EM!

Are you kidding me?

She can't get ENOUGH of them! lol

She even has the stolen private Libs R Us conversation tuckedsafely away for her reading pleasure when she's feelin really frisky! ;o)

Feisty,

[She can't get ENOUGH of them! lol]

thetoadie is a "she"?

...well slap my ass and call me Sally...

[She even has the stolen private Libs R Us conversation tuckedsafely away for her reading pleasure when she's feelin really frisky!]

Maybe they stimulate her 'ginny...they stimulate Schpankys...ain't that right, "counselor"?

Feisty,

Its funny you calling me out, of all people. Next time before you get all bent, think for once, maybe I didnt read that comment. Unlike you, I am not here at the crack of dawn until the wee hours of night 24/7, and I certainly don't have the time nor desire to read each and every comment, anyway that's your job.

maybe I didnt read that comment

Hmmm... well I guess there's a first time for everything... lol

Anywho, interesting you still didn't call out jollyold@!$%#....

However, not the least bit surprising! ;o)

Your selective POUTRAGE is duly noted as usual...

Its was my comment Totas, I lost my train of thought for a second and a vile comment spewd out. However anytime someone can get Feisty to post comments on her Vag twice has managed to get under her pelt! And Im sure thats a thick one!

Very intelligent post - please stay on the blue team.

What do you mean John, yours said nothing. Boehner IS a drunk, and the Repubes CAN and SHOULD change their day. Plus, i could give a sh!t what you think. Your Presidential RED candidates aren't a threat anyway. Bachmann and Perry? Please!

It is their delusions of grandeur daryl.

They are actually attempting to convince themselves that there may be a Republican/Tea bag candidate to compete with President Obama, and they want EVERY advantage as usual....

Ah daryl too silly.

The house is in session at the time Obama wants to give his little speech. It is therefore Obama who is asking that the government shut down - to cease it's normally schedule operation.

You do get that part daryl? It was right in the article. You did read the article, right daryl? Your other brother did.

Hey Not As Stupid - what do you think NBC has to say about this? They already have the debate scheduled.

Spanky you have much more patience than I have. I back out just about every post Im going to hit enter on!

...still striving for mediocrity, eh Spanky? It is because jobs are oh, so important?

So...no answers to my questions yet...how come, Little Dude...you busy?

Mickey ....I think you have Spanky shaking in his boots. Littler dude!

You know what I would love to see from Obama, DETAILS!

You know what I would love to see from Obama

You know what I would LOVE to see from the Tata's?

Intellectual curiousity.... lol

Until the, she can continue to read her stolen diary... ;o)

Feisty,

Do you really want to go there?

You forget, Boehner controls the house. A joint resolution must be passed.

Dan, how many power poles do you suppose Obama climbed, and how much hands on do you think Obama really did? Obama tries to be presidential by claiming to cut his vacation short, gee by about 12 hours out of 10 days.

As for your other remarks, Obama has been saying for 2 1/2 yrs that jobs was going to be his number one thing, yet when he had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house he never created any jobs except for a few for his union buddies. His 1st year was wasted on a Trillion dollars in stimulus and a healthcare law that the majority of Americans still do not want. Hopefully the Supreme Court will do away with ACA.

sfcret

The only reason Obama cut his vacation short was because his own safety was in jeopardy. If it was for work he would have done so as soon as they knew Irene was going to hit the east coast. It made land fall in North Carolina on Saturday and the outer bands were already coming into Martha's Vinyard then. So he had no choice. Get out then or be stuck.

hey moron osama nobama was on vacation again !!

Texana, I agree, but it was Obama that said he was cutting his vacation short because he wanted to "hunker" down in the WH so he could handle any problems that might need his attention, or words to that effect.

Daryl - First I don't get all my news from Foxs News and I am not a teaparty member. I do my own research and I even watch, sometimes, MSNBC, and I will bet I read more newspapers than you do. But it appears you get all your information from liberal rags like the Huffington Post, MSNBC, NBC and moveon.org, daily kos, etc.,. Now the democrats had 60 votes in the Senate, and did until the death of Senator Kennedy (the two independents, caucus with the democrats, therefore they are democrats.) One more note, from what I have seen is that they are only about 60 members in the tea party caucus, out of 435 house members. Further the CBC has more members in their caucus than the so called "tea party" has.

Deb.......lmao Do you actually know ANYTHING about the US Navy and the water around Marthas Vineyard? Hmmmm nope I sure you dont. He would have NO issues getting off that Island using any number of ways. There were navy and coast guard ships all around that Island. And the harbor offered protective waters for a variety of cutters and smaller ships. P.S. Ive flown and boated onto that Island probably 30 times.

WHAT! really our Constitution, if left to the progressives and liberal our Constitution would cease to exist.

It wouldn't cease to exist, it would just be "re-interpreted"

[WHAT! really our Constitution, if left to the progressives and liberal our Constitution would cease to exist.]

BOO!

Flash.....Bang...... Pop Pop! Ewww what a mess!

Hey Deb., You know so much down there in Texass, could you update us on all the jobs the Repukes have been working on for nearly a year? Come on...I know you can plaster together some excuse.

Whambam,

No need to "plaster together some excuse", it is all verifiable. For almost a year, the congress has been trying to consider the debt ceiling, the deficit and a much needed balanced budget. The Democratic controlled congress for TWO years before that were too worried about passing Obamacare to even pass a yearly budget before they left to go on the campaign trail. They even had trouble, with a vast majority at the time, to pass the repeal of DADT. They could not push through the Dream Act. They could not even function within their own party. All they needed was THREE Republicans to get what ever they wanted!!! Obama is following suit now on his eternal campaign. To quote Michael Douglas in American President;

"I was too worried about KEEPING my job to DO my job."

And yes, whambam, I DO know a lot more than you do down in "Texass". Real cute, and immature, by the way.

Whambamtexana, you two sound like you you have a thing for each other;)

He doesn't want to see him cry.

When you disrespect the President you disrespect the people of the United States, Boener, you dumb a$$wipe. Why do I think I could make you cry within 5 minutes.......freakin p_ssy!!!!

OK GBF you sound like such a Baron Bombast I feel the need to give you the Goldfinger. It's your type who defended the beaches of Normandy! :P

It will be interesting to hear Huntsman describe how to keep or create jobs in the US after the Huntsman company has made a steady exodus from US shores...still, what good is a "Huntsman plan" for someone out of work TODAY?...or don't ya'll get the whole idea is to keep you unemployed until and if the next election cycle results in a corporate raider or offshoring employer or pray, but don't expect help promoter to snow the public enough to get to pick new drapes?

An hour and a half after the Congress comes back in session after a 5 week break just isn't a good time to ask them to start working on the President's jobs proposals, apparently. Not that anyone expects them to say yes to anything he proposes anyway, but it might be nice if Congress at least made a gesture that they gave a rat's @$% about the un- and under employed.

So what do you all think Congress will be doing this session anyway besides nothing?

"grammaknows" They could care less, if we don't vote our best interests in 2012, shame on us, we'll get another do nothing congress or a new president that will gut the federal government and do whatever big business tells them to do. Where know where that got us under the GWB years...