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Subscribe to RSSNowadays, Eric Cantor, channeling an insurance actuary, says disaster-relief funding needs to be offset by cuts elsewhere -- be it for tornado cleanup in devastated Joplin, MO, or damage from Hurricane Irene and the recent earthquake centered in his own district. He told constituents as much the day after the earthquake.
This morning, we clipped a piece in The Hill, which quotes a statement from the Virginia Republican in 2004 requesting federal funds following Tropical Storm Gaston -- without calling for cuts elsewhere.
Now, Sam Stein at Huffington Post points out that, in 2004, Cantor actually voted against a bill that would have done exactly what he's now calling for:
"[A] bemused Democratic source notes that in October 2004, Cantor voted against an amendment to an emergency supplemental bill for disaster aid that would have "fully offset" the cost of that supplemental with "a proportional reduction of FY05 discretionary funding" elsewhere. Funding for defense, homeland security, and veterans was exempted from the proposed cuts. But the amendment, introduced by Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas), would do precisely what Republican leadership is proposing to do now."
Cantor spokesman Brad Dayspring chalks it up to the ballooning national debt for the apparent change of heart. Dayspring tells Stein:
"[T]he national debt at the time was under $8 trillion and was $8.67 trillion when Nancy Pelosi became Speaker, Today the debt stands at $14.625, meaning that while Democrats controlled the purse string, the national debt literally exploded. We are living in different times."
Different times, indeed.
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What we're seeing today is the new & improved Eric Cantor...
Much more kinder & compassionate little fella don'tcha think? lol
Anyone who plays politics with disaster relief should be ASHAMED of themselves!
Then again, you have to posses a soul to feel any type of emotion!
Judging from the inactions of today's Teapulican Party souls are in short supply!
Cantor is a perfect example of what is wrong in our Political System today. Yesterday he doubles down on his “Hostage” tactic of no FEMA aid unless the tens of Billions needed come from “Spending Cuts” elsewhere. 40+ dead, homes and businesses destroyed infrastructures in chaos (bridges, roadways, and sewer systems) and this repugnant clown wants to hold those American Citizens “Hostage” again. And here is the kicker – the “Spending Cuts” that Cantor wants come under Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Non-Defense Discretionary Spending which includes cutting FEMA funds by 40%. And by the way, the TP/GOP has blocked the automatic emergency funding to FEMA already – So there are NO FEMA dollars to address the current wave of emergencies.
Also take note that the TP/GOP is also trying to take funding away from the first responders as well, people like fire fighters, utility workers, law enforcement etc.
I am telling you, these TP/GOP Party Neo-Nazi/Fascists do not hold any of the traditional American Values. They are “Americans in Name ONLY” and this is further proof on how far they have turned their backs on America.
We also learned yesterday that the “Impotent Commission” and the TP/GOP are not considering a Jobs Bill. Instead they are concentrating their efforts on more tax cuts, Spending Cuts and repealing regulations of Wall Street and the Big Business environmental polluters. What a political party.
Remember in 2004 there was a white guy in the White House!
These idiots will do everything possible to evict the black man - no matter what the COST!
Where is the outrage from the folks in Eric of Can't district?
...or are they so numb that they can't react......earthquake, flood!
What's wrong in the Commonwealth of Virginia?
Personally, I am sure that Cantor's allegiance is not to this country, much less his constituents.
Feisty: I think you are absolutely correct. I wonder if any of these clowns realize how truly stupid they look.
What is funny is, you won't see any Republican's holding meetings with their constituants. One or two tried and they just got slammed, not by anyone planted from outside, but by the people who actually live within their districts.
Each and every Republican currently in Congress needs to be replaced. They are not serving the country and they are NOT serving their districts.
Great point Feisty - you really have a knack for identifying the underlying issue.
In 2004 the economy was doing good. Unemployment was low, and the debt, ah, the debt. Say old gal, I don't suppose you can tell us what the debt was, or the cost of that debt?
But see now, things are just a tad different. he economy [and thus future tax revenues] is in the toilet. Everyone's position has to change for the good old days of the early 2000s.
Oh and we all learned how horrifically bad FEMA is at wasting money. There really is no better example of waste, fraud and abuse than FEMA.
So any of you libbies care to hazard a comment n your man Andre Carson's comments? Just fantastic. You know you have totally lost the argument when you got to trot out Juim Crow and lynchings. Or Nazis if you are Navy.
Say, I don't suppose any of you can tell me just what Mr. Carson, the CBC, or the progressive caucus has done in say the last three years to create an envioroment for job creation?
Of course you can't. No can he. How sad, for him and his constituents.
Oh and Feisty - again great job. Please trumpet as loud as you can the absurd belief that this has anything to do with race.
Cause see that is a losing argument as well. Nobody cares he's black. Only that he has been in charge for 2 and 1/2 years, during which:
1. the debt has increased $5 trillion;
2. Credit rating downgraded;
3. Economy worse;
So unless you can relate any of that to the color of his skin you lose.
But I suspect you all already know that. After all, we already know he is "the smartest person in the room." So of what import could his skin color possibly be?
Where did Gaston hit? That might explain things.
But it does remind us that "pay-go" was a creature of the Democrats, and dropped like a hot potato by Republicans under the Bush administration, never to be heard from again, till we got a Democrat n the White House.
Too easy, counselor. Like all the democrats, they laid down and rolled over when the President proposed a stimulus package weighted too heavily toward tax cuts, rather than on direct job creation. They laid down and rolled over when the Republicans insisted on extending the Bush tax cuts as a trade off for extending unemployment insurance benefits. They laid down and rolled over when President Obama negotiated a lousy debt ceiling bill that calls for entitlement cuts but no revenue enhancement.
The democrats have done all that, Spanky. Just like Republicans told us was needed to create that "environment" for job creation.
SO, WHERE ARE THE JOBS, SPANKY?
"So there are NO FEMA dollars to address the current wave of emergencies."
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Mothballed Navy: Barry's FEMA Director seems to disagree with your "facts". Is he lying or are you??
From Politico:
FEMA head brushes off Cantor
By: Reid J. Epstein
August 31, 2011 07:36 AM EDT
The coordinator of the federal response to Hurricane Irene said Wednesday that his agency has enough money to aid flood victims and he brushed off House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s suggestion that congressional Republicans may seek corresponding budget cuts before approving storm funding.
Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Craig Fugate took to the network morning shows to tout the government’s response to Irene and post-storm flooding, which has incapacitated parts of Vermont, upstate New York and New Jersey and left hundreds of thousands of people without power on the East Coast.
What's Up AM?
The jobs....
Funny part is I have a HUGE stack of resumes on my desk right now. I figure I'll hold off until I see if I'll get a tax credit for a new hire. I love me some tax credits. :)
But overall - we both know government deosn't create jobs, and given the bleak economic outlook right now, who in their right mind would hire on anything other than a replacement type basis?
How about you AM - you agree with the Navy's and Feisty's - are all the conservatives racist neo-nazi's? Do you think this type of talk further the discussion? Does any of this have anything to do with skin color?
Why do you think they feel the need to go there AM? Personally, and as I have said many times - I think it's just about their inability to rationally discuss the issues.
Speaking of being reasonable - what did yu do with IRA?
@drip101
Can happen to the best of politicians.
It is just astounding how ignorant of what their own leaders do and say the libbies really are.
Keep up the good work guys.
Maybe Obama is the racist neo-nazi, eh Navy?
Oh spanky, how quickly you forget. In 2004 Cheney/Bush was just finishing spending the Clinton surplus, that's why unemployment was low and the debt wasn't as bad. But if you look from 2004 to 2008 unemployment soared the debt skyrocketed. Just like Perry did in Texas, used the stimulus money to balance his budget, but now that he has no more stimulus money Texas is looking at a huge budget deficit. GO figure, tea people GOP using President Clinton's and president Obama's smart decisions to make their bad decision look good.
Spank I don't know where you live and don't really care. But chances are at some point your area has been helped by FEMA and the federal government. You know the government the United States of America. Just remember when your area was helped, it also included the people that need our help now, that helped pay for your disaster.
What a compassionate conservative tea people GOP you are. You yell help I'm drowning and the country comes to your rescue. But when someone else yells help I'm drowning you walk away saying I got mine you're on your own. I think the country is finally seeing what kind of people the tea people really are.
Feisty:
Just more examples of how repulsive the TP/GOP Party has become and the level of Hypocrisy that is running unchecked within their ranks.
These people do not care one iota about America our values, virtues, work ethic, compassion etc that made us the greatest Country on the planet.
They have made the decesion to gut all that has made us great that for the sake of Wealth and Power for a select few. This is not an ideology that is compatible with democracy as we know it and the TP/GOP could not care less.
President Obama 2012
Define "soared" Mo.
I'm not against FEMA [and I don't recall it ever coming to SO Cal], but it, like every single aspect of government need to be reigned in.
Just look at all the fraud and waste after Katrina. Thousands of trailers sent in that didn't meet FEMA regulations, all destroyed.
And to your point - I do not anticipate ever having to rely on FEMA or the governemnt. I am as prepared for a disaster as possible. Sadly, so few are.
And you can just forget about compassion - I am a conservative. Consequently, as per Navy, I am a racist neo-nazi.
And yeah the blinders are coming off the country collectively. They don't like what they see. And I can tell you from personal experience - the anger is always and rightfully directed upon the person in charge.
So Mo, who is in charge? 60 House Freshman or Obama?
Leave me out of this, Spanky. I haven't been following it, and would doubtless say something that would get me in duck soup with one side or t'other. Both sides are often guilty of rhetorical hyperbole.
I don't know who "they" are or "where" is, Spanky. Again, leave me out of this. I'd rather just talk about the issues, rationally or not.
Like why there are so many resumes for you to be sitting on? A lot of people are out of work right now, right?
SO WHERE ARE THOSE JOBS, SPANKY?
Hmmm .... I do believe he's tied up right now. You know, work and such. The life of the high-powered securities lawyer and all that. Beyond me, that's for sure. But from everything I can tell, he peeks in here from time to time, so mind your Ps and Qs, k?
Ah, AM, now where is the fun in staying out of it?
Always the reasonable one AM. I hate that about you. :)
How about this - are you prepared for a disaster? Food, water, cash, gas? Have you done everything you can to not have to rely on the government to help you if something bad should befall your area?
Well, at least there's some quirky humor going on this morning. I was wondering what happened to Ira as well. Hey Anna - you are an educator, correct? If I read you right a few weeks ago. If so, when do you start back up? In the lower regions of the country school has already begun.
You gotta learn to be braver than that Anna. Opinions expressed on here will always get you in trouble with one side or the other because no matter how you shake it, someone's going to be offended. I realize you don't want to stir up your liberal friends, but I have a sneekin suspicion that you might be a closet conservative... just my humble opinion (smile)
Not really. Water I always have lots of on hand, as I buy it economically. Food spoils, gas uses itself magically every day, so I'd have to refill, which is about 3 blocks away from home, and cash I can get pretty much down the street from my house on my way home if I see a disaster coming. As winter approaches, I'll put in more canned foods, so then I'll be prepared for a big blizzard, anyway, which is what we are mostly prone to seeing. But without electricity, it will be hard to cook.
Brianb:
Hey Anna - you are an educator, correct? If I read you right a few weeks ago. If so, when do you start back up? In the lower regions of the country school has already begun.
I used to be a teacher, Brian. Now I do something else -- a private sector job.
You'd be wrong. I just don't like incompetency any more than anyone else does.
FEISTY
Who was it who said?"You never want a serious crisis go to waste"
Feisty Oh yeah it was Rahm Emanuel. They are all the same.
Alan, NJ: good to see you made it through the storm. Gotta love it when their own words come back to bite them. Kind of like Mr. Cantor not wanting to pay for the FEMA money which helped VA a few years ago, but now that a Democrat is in the Whitehouse, it is needed.
What will be absolutely amazing will be the transformation of these same Republicans if (heaven forbid) a Republican gets in the Whitehouse in the next election and requires a debt ceiling increase. Does anyone think there will be the kind of fight we had this time ? The hypocracy on both sides of the aisle does not surprise me.
What really scares me is that while the politicians play games, real live actual people (not corporate people) are hurting and do actually need some of the support that FEMA does provide. The House did pass a bill which would provide for FEMA funding. All the President has to do is to give up any ability to ever transfer anyone from Gauantamo Bay, ever. The Republicans just want to sentence to life in prison the untried, unconvicted, illegally held prisoners. And they are holding up saving American lives to do it. WAY TO GO TEA PARTY!!!
Anna Said: You'd be wrong. I just don't like incompetency any more than anyone else does.
That's a step in the right direction. We have more in common than just being ex-teachers.
I grew up in Buffalo... (no cat calls please)... I left when I was 18. I never remember losing electricity in the winter even in the harshest of blizzards. Fortunately we had natural gas and the thermostat on the heater was battery back-up. I've lost electricity in Florida dozens of times... a good rain storm and the power goes out... and forget the hurricanes, we'd lose power sometimes for days.
The house passed it's bill to increase funding to FEMA.
The Senate has not.
Libbies, why does Harry Reid hate Fema?
Dayspring tells Stein:
Thank you Mo for being the first to address one of the biggest propaganda talking points from the right-wing. Not only did the unnecessary wars of attrition and Bush tax cuts cause the majority of the debt today, but to blame it on Democrats because they had a super majority for all of nine months is despicable-- A filibuster-proof super majority that the Dems no longer had when the Affordable Health Care Act was passed, and why "Obamacare" was watered down with numerous Republican amendments to get a couple of votes from across the aisle, thus a bipartisan "purse strings" bill from congress.
We are living in different times indeed. A time lacking in intellectual honesty, ethics, responsibility, or even patriotism -- from Republicans. Now is a time of power-grab machinations that exceed any and all dirty, underhanded "strategery" our nation has ever witnessed. Wanting a default, holding the nation hostage, causing a downgrade?! The only hope now is that voters will throw out the Teabaggers and two-faced liars like Cantor.
I figured that out already. What took you so long? ;-)
What's wrong with Buffalo? I've never been, but it must be beautiful there.
Agreed as to the blizzards; some things we northerners seem to have figured out. But I remember one morning while I was first teaching, we had an ice storm that knocked out the electricity -- ice is the worst -- and while I was listening to the radio to hear whether schools were closed, the announcer -- in a serious voice -- dropped this little piece of sage advice:
Duh. Life in the frozen north. I've remembered that silly moment all my life.
I love it when Teapublicans rant about the debt "skyrocketing under Obama" as if they can't recall that Obama had to put all the isht on the books that W had hidden in a black box.
Seriously. For real. No kidding.
Obama did not add $5 trillion to the debt in 30 months.
Did not happen.
Stop lying!
Now there.
Anna Molly: I remember actually getting a telephone call from our IT service provider (we outsourced) telling me that someone had called that their computer was not working during a power outage. Since there was only about an hour left of working time, the boss/owner told everyone to go home and he, the IT guy & I went out to have a few beers. The person who called did not last very long. She was smart on some things, but on others dumb as a box of rocks.
LoL Too funny, dirp. I can see why she didn't last. There's a joke in there about white-out on the computer screen, but I'm not going to tell it.
Hey Navy -- I agree with your post about FEMA, but would like to expound upon that. What burns on this issue is the HUGE amount of money spent on wars, and in particular "nation-building" per the Bush Doctrine and supposed spread of democracy. One Day of the Iraq War = 720 Million Dollars (some estimates are even higher).
The day Cantor and his ilk demand an end to spending overseas instead of spending to help our own people when they need it--the very people who pay taxes, is the day the rest of us will give a sh!t what he thinks or says. When he is on the news, I have a strong urge to knock that smart-arse smirk right off his face. If he was on the front line, he'd probably soil himself.
Obama did not add $5 trillion to the debt in 30 months.
Did not happen.
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The US Treasury has a web site where you can enter beginning and ending dates and get the outstanding US public debt to the penny. You are right it wasn't $5 trillion in 30 months. On Barry's watch from 01/20/09 to 08/30/11 the debt increased by "only" $4 Trillion:
01/20/09: $10.627 Trillion
08/30/11: $14.625 Trillion
Yeah, Yeah, I ALREADY know it's ALL GWB's fault.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
Feisty I agree with your assessment about 2004 when there was white guy in the White House. Unfortunately when you call these hypocrites on it they cry oh you're just calling me a racist because that's your tactic to discredit me. Well I say BS to that. These people need to be called out for what they truly are and they should not be allowed to hide behind their veiled racism because we all want to be politically correct. I'm tired of it. It's plain as the nose on their faces and as ugly today as any overt form of racism was in the past.
What's strange Laurie is - when I talk to people who aren't politcal junkies like we are, they readily admit that is indeed the problem!
And it doesn't matter what side of the aisle they call home...
Feisty and laurie -- Several studies prove racism, among other things. This from the Pew Research Center:
This from the American Sociological Association:
This from a Harvard/Notre Dame study:
All the studies conclude that the Tea Party is and always has been a small minority in the Republican Party who want more religion, not just less government--and who are bigots.
To all you Revisionist Republicans,
The exploding debt was forecast by the Bush administration and included the tax cuts expiring (which we all know the Republics held hostage), and did not include the recession which happened on his watch. This is the difference between what the Bush admin. calculated and where the debt actually stands. The only truely "Democratic" deficit spending since Obama took office came in the form of the stimulus (800 billion of which one-third was tax cuts) has arguably kept us out of a depression and therefore has paid for itself. Please name the act of congress signed by Obama that has added to this deficit (in any way significant to trillions of dollars of new debt) that wasn't mandated by existing law.
Obama did not add five trillion or four trillion to the debt, did not happen.
Now the issue is jobs, Democrats are smart enough to know that paying unemployment benefits, and Medicaid for unemployed people is not as effective as putting these unemployed people back to work and getting a better return for those dollars. FDR understood this, Obama understands this. Republicans don't give a damn, they only want tax cuts for the rich and cuts to the social safety net this country has created to ensure the survival of the middle class. They sure as hell had nothing to say about deficits and debt when they were in charge, they didn't pay or "offset" for any of their "major accomplishments, the tax break( passed under reconciliation with Cheney casting the tie breaking vote, ie. "ramming it down our throats", the wars (also rammed down the throats of liberals) , Medicare dug bennie and there was no tea party when it was needed (if it ever was).
Excellent analysis True Patriot - thanks for the info! ;o)
Actually, time4truth, it was Milton Friedman who first put forward that concept, and possibly used those exact words back in the 70s when the Chicago School of Economics, free market privatization economists were taking advantage of the instability in South America. This instability was caused by . . . wait for it . . . the US CIA, and several US corporations working in concert to topple democratically elected governments that would not cooperate with the American corporations. They helped install dictators who had agreed to implement the free market privatization theories of Milton Friedman, before their 'revolutions' occurred.
In one specific instance, because of the economic policies implemented in 1973/74, in 6 years, Chile's unemployment went from less than 4% to over 30% and poverty rose from just below 10% to over 60%, of the population. The IMF and World Bank have been exploiting crises's like this, as well as natural disasters, all over the world because they are policies that could not be implemented during normal times. Try reading Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism', you might actually learn something.
Anna Molly... too funny... Yes, she was blond, yes, it was the 80's and yes she had shoulder pads (to protect her head when she said "I don't know")... LOL..... :-D
Back to the real discussion... is there any way to get these guys out of office sooner ? I don't care if another Republican goes in their place, as long as the person will actually govern and serve the real live actual people, and not just their corporate sponsers.
more and more people are introduced to the real world "where you don't get to use your house as an ATM" everyday. The republicans are finding themselves f'ckd because THEY HAVE NEVER EVEN VISITED our world for long enough to have a clue what it IS LIKE. They have not even realized how f'kd we ARE going to make them.good luck in 12 14 16 whenever....you jackasses
right on dirp
The elephant will be sacrificed by their own from the inside! Greed just cannot keep running stupidity..
Spanky:
[The house passed it's bill to increase funding to FEMA. The Senate has not.]
Yes, yes they did...why wouldn't the House pass that bill, I mean, with all the EXTRAS added in for good measure. You know...EXTRAS...PORK...the very things that they ran on saying they were against. Of course the Senate hasn't passed it...why would they? They are holding the GOP/Teabagger party's feet to the fire.
...but you knew that already, right? Or were you intentionally trying to deceive?
I'm sure your ass-kissing followers are proud of your mediocre attempt at deception.
Republicans would not know honor if it were staring them straight in the face. Polarized to the point of stupid.
Spanky-
You are an ignorant fool, what is wrong with the US economy stems directly from the Bush ERA tax breaks for the Rich/Super Rich. President Reagan was smart enough to undertand this, but apparently Bush Jr. and the Boys were not. What did Cheney say (you know Cheney the REAL President):
"Reagan proved that deficits don't count."
But, Reagan, after giving the Rich/Super Rich big tax breaks, realized if he kept them in place it would wreak the US economy, so he rolled them back:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/06/reagan-mythology-obscures-and-denies-the-real-reagan-accomplishments/
You really need to understand what is REALLY wrong and stop being a talking head for the Teapublicans before this country is but a burned out shell.
Eric Cantor represents the worst in human nature. How can anyone whether in Congress or not, look at the awful destruction in Vermont and NJ, not to mention his own state and that of his neighbors, and say you'll get help as soon as we cut funds from your fellow citizens who have also suffered catastrophic losses. And then out of the other side of his mouth say this is the wealthiest country in the world and we are exceptional......well show me!
Exceptional people and countries do extraordinary things, they make sacrifices to help their family, their friends and neighbors and others in need of help. If this is the America of the future, I weep to see where we are being taken by extremists and zealots. These people have set us down a path of destruction through wars and ideological pursuits by the far right.
We are supposed to be the UNITED States, not 50 individual countries and a 'chuck you farley, I got mine' mindset.
"We are supposed to be the UNITED States, not 50 individual countries and a 'chuck you farley, I got mine' mindset."
OMG- speaking of stirring up memories of weird-o, brain-dead posters...
But serriously, GM- Why shouldn't the disaster victims along the East Coast have their very own, personal, 'Waterloo", courtesy of Eric the Great? Maybe Perry can pray for them some dry weather.
Gingerbread Mamma: welcome to the TeaPublican states of America: if you are a wealthy donar to the Republican Party, step right up, we've got deductions, tax credits and tax cuts for you. Don't worry about the voters, they are all stupid sheep who will do whatever we want them too. We've actually got them believing that tax cuts for you are good for them, even though they will never, in there whole lives, begin to be paid what they are worth and you will continue to earn hundreds of times what you pay them. Oh, btw, the emergency tax cut for your business which will be making record profits in this disastor is being streamlined.
If you are an average American, however, here's a pamphlet from Home Depot on how to build a temporary shelter from driftwood. Good luck and nice seeing you. Be sure to vote for me next election. No we won't be passing any Job Killing disastor relief bills. That would add to the job kililng deficit. The Republican party is dedicated to helping every American affected by this disastor in the best way possible.
DOB, Yes the ghosts of past posters, who sometimes resurrect themselves under other names, couldn't help myself saying that it seem to fit the persona of 'Cantor'
Or maybe Perry can pray some more that the rain from the next hurricane will help out with the wildfires and the drought. But if Inhofe is to be courted, he better not mention anything about climate change...that's not on the program.
dirp101 - when you say welcome to the TeaPublican States, to whom do you refer?
Your MAN Obama cut taxes, and is about to unleash a butt load more tax based incentives.
So how does that square with your diatribe dirp101? Does being consistent mean anything to you?
And again my man, your words are super funny. It is obvious that you have no idea who wrote those very tax code provisions of which you speak. It really makes you look ignorant.
But I guess you are good with that? huh.
My, my, my Spanky! What an unhappy little guy you are. (Did someone steal your bike or take your Nintendo away?) It's sort of comical to watch you attempt to look like a Big Boy, there Spanky, alllllll growed up :-)
P.S. I've always like Alfalfa better than you.
Hey dirp 101 - Maybe you don't quite understand the rules for hurricanes. If you want protection from flooding, you buy flood insurance. The only agency that provides it is the US Government. Any other damage your home receives should be covered by homeowners insurance unless you are dumb enough to purchase it without hurricane protection... and if you are that dumb, living on the east coast of the country, then you shouldn't go crying to the government for assistance. So blow your bleeding heart crap out your blow-hole. I've survived a minimum of 5 hurricanes without so much as one penny from the government... and yes I do have flood insurance... That's the problem with liberal thinking... a complete omission of personal responsibility... run to the government if you don't take care of yourself...
What me be unhappy Doobie? Naaa, your ability to read emotions through the board are way off.
Unless it's the unhappiness of the libbies from being confronted eith the words and actions of their leaders. I suspect that they are kinda unhappy as of now.
Hence the imploding nature of the liberal arguments.
In fact I was just reading so of the outstanding work done bu CERN on cosmic clouds. Fascinating stuff.
Oh, and by the way Man made global warming is officially over. Done. Kaput.
Good times. P.S. Doobie, I don't know if you know this - Spanky is not my real name, and my screen name has nothing to do with the Little Rascals.
Soo, brian, i take it none of the roads needed repair, no bridges needed fixing, no levies needed repair? your local or state government didn't partake of any FEMA funding for something that you are now benefiting from?
I'm happy for you, man, I really am. It might be nice to live that far off the grid that you would not have benefited from a single penny of government funding.
BTW...you are confused. Being a liberal and lacking a sense of personal responsibility are not related. Conflating the two is a mistake.I thought you might like to know that so you would no longer embarrass yourself by saying that they are
Brianb: flood, fire, wind, hurricane insurance don't do much to get the basic necessities to live in the days and weeks immediately following a hurricane. They help to rebuild your home, if you are able to get to it. With the flooding and destruction of the basic infrastructure in many areas, the rebuilding will take a long time. FEMA coordinates getting basic necessities to people: you know REAL LIVE PEOPLE, not the corporate kind Republicans like.
And Spanky: I was making an exageration to make a point. While I don't think any politician would actually state their position in such bald faced terms, the reality of the effects of NO TAXES, and the Job killing this that and other thing from the Republican party is just as I stated.
We don't yet know what President Obama will be proposing. There may be employment incentives which include tax cuts. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only thing the Republicans approve. Most likely you will find Mr. Cantor objecting that they would be job killing because people who already have a job will be fired so the employer can take advantage of the job creation credits, or some such equal nonsense.
Or the tax cuts can't be made without cutting spending (wouldn't that be a first) because of *THE DEFICIT, THE DEFICIT* which, we all know, suddenly and miraculously appeared for the first time when President Obama was elected.
IMHO, giving tax credits for hiring is not a good way to improve employment, over the long term. I would imagine that most employers are like you said, not going to hire without demand. A real jobs program would have demand. And there are plenty of areas where the government could put those most out of work back to work. The construction industry could rebuild our schools, roads, bridges, waterworks, etc. All of the neglected areas of our infrastructure could be the start of improvement of the economy. It would have to be paid for by tax increases, so Grover Norquist can go pound sand.
I wonder how Can'tnor voted when Bush bailed out the airline industry or re-built lower Manhattan after 9/11? What was his vote during the stimulus under Bush? What was his vote for IRAQ? What was his vote for keeping the wars on supplemental bills instead of the budget? What was his vote to "offset" the Bush tax cuts? Did he vote for FEMA before he voted against FEMA? Here's your flip flop. I wish someone would drive a swift boat up your .........
[My, my, my Spanky! What an unhappy little guy you are.]
Yes, Spanky is very unhappy these days. He's being hammered relentlessly from all sides, and he doesn't like the negative attention he's getting. I mean, he can't even answer a question posed to him...he avoids answers at all costs...it's almost as if he has most people here on ignore.
But he does like denigrating women and disabled veterans, though. Yep, that Spanky...he's a real man...
...right, "counselor"?
Brianb-999431
You can't be THAT ignorant! FEMA doesn't come in a rebuild homes you twit, they come in and help restore infrastructure and shelter for those whose house is totally uninhabitable or washed away. During any of the huricanes was your house totalled? Fema helps rebuild roads and bridges and helps feed the people who are stranded and helps areas of devastation get back on their feet etc. etc.
The leftwing noisemachine is in full throat today...Imagine, the nerve of a Congressman wanting to pay for government programs!
Why, the very idea !
Meanwhile, outside of the coccoon of MSNBC-Huff Post-Wash Post-NY Times, in the real world, Cantor makes sense.
which time? 2004 or now?
You mean like Bush with two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare prescription drug program Bob? You are one funny cat Bob, keep up your comedy routine it's a real knee slapper.
That's just it Bob-1887910, Republicans don't want to have things paid for, they want to cut them all and eliminate government. In the midst of a disastor, Republicans are talking about cutting disastor aid. Typical of the TeaPublicans, CUT, CUT, CUT, until the poor and middle class is bleeding and dying.
Bob lots of numbers, you've been under a rock too long. I hope you are in Cantor's district you two deserve each other.
But no doubt, when you have disaster come to your doorstep, if you still have a doorstep, you'll be looking for some kind of help, if you think not, you will be very fortunate and should be thankful for that and not criticize those less fortunate......for until you walk in another man's shoes, you have no idea what you are made of.....believe me.
Believe it Gingerbread Mamma, where ever Spanky lives his area has seen a disaster, and FEMA and the government came in to help them. Whether he'll admit it or not.
These people do need help and they MUST get it without any strings attached. Cantor and the rest of these Tea Potty rat bastards can go to hell.
Ah, I see - the old "I'm dependent on the government so everyone else must be too" argument.
I bet neither Gingerbread Mamma or Mo have two weeks of food and water and other supplies stored in case of an emergency. YOu all got some cash stacked in the safe? You even got a safe?
How about asecond home, in a different state to go to if yours is destroyed. Do tell us what you have done to be prepare so you do not have to rely on others.
Nevermind, I think we all know.
Too funny.
Spanky - have you looked at the pictures? What happens to your 2 week supply of food and water if your house is underwater? What happens to your safe if a tornado turns your house to kindling? What is the matter with you?
Spanky,
Maybe you should talk to the residents of Prattsville, NY. Oh, sure they were prepared because they've seen flooding before.
Any guesses as to whether or not they were prepared for the whole town being, for all intents and purposes, destroyed by Irene this weekend?
No Spanky...you dont know. Your are to me nothing but a sewer rat.
I happen to live in a hurricane prone state and have for many years, I KNOW what it is to go through several hurricanes and what the aftermath is like. We are well prepared to take care of ourselves, but have suffered many losses and none were ever covered by Fema or any other government agencies, what insurance did not replace or reimburse, we did ourselves. We are very fortunate. Not everyone is that lucky and you should not be sitting in judgement of others.
Your smug comments everyday are usually not worth commenting on and will be ignored as worthless as I consider you.
Spanky,
Please stop acting like a D!ck.
Come on now GM - why did you have to go and insult sewer rats? ;o)
What makes today any different Job1? lol
Arrogant & condescending a@@hole is more like it!
MKM - No floods here, only earthquakes. Again - I got a motor home full of food, power, propane and GAS, and a house in AZ.
GM - me I like to live where there are no hurricanes or floods, DA nOid. Might be time to move if it is that bad. Oh and it's River Rat. Yee haww
Feisty - What part of ignore do you just not get? Oh yeah, that part where you loves you some Spanky. :)
Get prepared you all. he government will not save you.
Looks like ol' Spank (not his real name!) is doing what he does best- making lots of friends on the ol' mesasge boards.
"HEY everybody, LOOK at ME! I read the TAX CODE!! And- I gots me some bottled water an' some bullets. And, some EXTRA SOCKS!!"
Yeee Hawww!
dirp 101 said: Typical of the TeaPublicans, CUT, CUT, CUT, until the poor and middle class is bleeding and dying.
You must be dependent on the government for your living, eh dirp? I consider myself middle class, and I don't take one red cent from the government... so I really don't know where you are coming from. I would love to see the government shrink in size. Of course that goes totally against the libby way of thinking. If they had their way, every person in this country would be a government employee. I wonder what political ideology that is closest to.
Gingerbread - keep the Spankster on ignore. He is just not worth the time and effort.
Brian, Brian, Brian..."Of course that goes totally against the libby way of thinking."
There you go again, buddy. You really have a mistaken understanding of "the libby way of thinking". Honestly, we are responsible and, largely, self-sufficient folks.
Look, you don't understand us. That's OK. Just, please, quit showing us how ignorant you are.
Bob-1887910
Saying that Cantor makes sense is an oxymoron............... DUH!
This story points out once again the shallowness of most politicians today. Convictions or stong beliefs? Their views and opinions always seem to be based on what is popular, as in "tell them what they want to hear."
Rep Cantor is not the only one at fault here. Speaker Boehner lets this guy speak for his party ---if he had some strength he would tell Cantor to cool it. Of course, Boehner wants to take the "popular" view too and right now, Tea Party views seem to be riding high in the Rep party.
President Obama and other Democrats are not much different..
Remember Speaker Boehner is trying to keep his job as speaker. Cantor is trying to take it away from him. The only way Boehner can keep his speaker position is to cater to the tea people GOP.
And Mo the rest of us have to suffer while that drama plays out. Boehner has nothing to offer and is willing to sell his soul to the Baggers, what a legacy his speakership will be in the history books.
Mo, President Obama just sent a request to Boehner and Reid that he would like to speak to a joint session of congress on Sept. 8.
Will they do it?
I've noticed nobody coming to the defense of Eric Cantor. I wonder why. Do you get the picture Eric? Nobodies on your side you're all alone with your stupidity. No even the tea people are supporting you, because they've learned your stupid proposals effect them as well. You're on an island and it's sinking fast.
not exactly true, Mo...Bob 188### thinks he makes sense.
good-bye eric it's time for you to go, and take all your buddies with you!
eric cantor is slime
Uh oh, Did Eric just flip flop? Sure sounds like it to me.
The President needs to take Cantor to the wood shed in front of the American People and give this little rat bastard weasel a whopping.
Mr Cantor has learned an old country truth and I do not mean Europe. The chickens have come home to roost Cantor and being as inflexible as you wanted to appear to be can only lead to less and less agreeing with you. Cantor's actions leave out the fact that the U in USA stands for United. In this great nations entire past in times of serious trouble people stopped thinking I am a Virginian or a Nevadan they first thought I am an American. CAntor would like to change all fo that. I say it will not happen not even with the top 5% or whatever.
I have to say Eric Cantor is the best thing except for Perry, that could happen to the Democrats. Let them talk, the more they spew their stupid positions the better for the Democrats in 2012. Folks the country is against everything these tea people GOP are for. They think they can ride the next election out with their secret corporate donors buying their seats for them (aka koch brothers).
Mo - you are so right. Last night I was literally dragged to attend a GOP dinner - never told anyone that I was not a Republican but my friend had the invite and paid the money. Very interesting conversations - pretty opposite of what the GOP's here are saying. They do NOT like any of the choices for POTUS. They do not like what the tea party are doing in Congress. And of course, do not want President Obama for 2012 but with the bozo's (their words) running right now they do fear he will be win.
Seriously - I was pretty surprised with the conversations. They are disgusted with Cantor and what he was saying for the diaster relief. Feel Boehner over his head and can't control the tea party people. Well the list goes on but these were the only ones that I could support!
Oh yes - one other thing - they do think the millionaires/billionairs taxes be increased. Are you kidding me - I was amazed.
OK raddy righties spill out your junk here - but I do not go back to read posts!
Mo:
If you think Perry is a joke, keep thinking that way. This man will beat Obama if the vote is not split.
I understand you democrats want to demonize Perry and attempt to knock him off, but this man has been through all of that BS many times. He already knew the national media and it's Democrat minions would go after him before he even started.
Cantor: I don't know a lot about him, but I do know he doesn't represent the 22nd district in Texas. As long as his supporters in his district like him, then everyone else is blowing smoke.
Elise: Stop LYING!!!!!!! You wish it was like that.
I think Romney will beat Perry.
IntheMiddle, TX
Perry doesn't believe in evolution, who would vote for a man/women who is THAT stupid! Then the prayer meetings to pray our problems away! WOW! This guy makes Bozo the Clown look like a genius.
Missy is such a silly goose !
Hope and Change
is now
Dope and Deranged!
Now all the left has to hang on to is... "well people like Obama personally"
Guess what, thats another liberal lie. The vast majority can't stand him!
Rob in ma-3189632
If the Teapublicans would stop being the Party of NOOOOO then we would have some "Hope and Change". But, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they just want to @!$%# us all.....................
If the people of Virginia are dumb enough to re-elect Eric Cantor, they "TRULY" deserve what they get!
BTW...I can't wait to see what he'll promise them when it's time for reelection! Hope they can swim (Ha)
Rob
I do like Obama on a personal level, I can't stand him as a President
This author is WEAK. Yes! These are INDEED "different times". Um... maybe I just DREAMT America's credit rating was downgraded and is at threat of further downgrading. But leave it to a liberal partisan to resort to trying to smear a conservative for trying to be principled. Predictable, Domenico. SO predictable. AND pathetic. WEAK.
truthharbor
Some truth for you. We were downgraded as a DIRECT result of the Teapublicans refusal to compromise with the President on the Budget. S&P said, "if the Republicans would have excepted the Presidents offer of $1.2 Trillon new revenues along with Cuts they would have NOT downgraded us".
You need to read more and stop posting Garbage as if it were truth.............................
So, Cantor is against helping people who were victims of Irene?
Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall during a meeting between Cantor and Governor Chris Christie - who has already asked for federal funds for New Jersey?
It ought to be interesting watching Cantor tell Republicans Christie, McDonnell of Virginia and Corbett of Pennsylvania to go p!ss up a rope.
When did Cantor replace Boehner as speaker of the House? Why is Cantor out front doing the talking?
Is Boehner too busy crying somewhere, and just doesn't have time to actually do his job?
I heard somewhere on www something or other (I'll get the actual sight one of these days but is that really important?) that republicans are actually thinking about raising taxes,on everyone who makes less than $250K a year.
I hope that Cantor and the other authoritarian republicans live long enough and become poor enough to beg for their next meal. Paul Ryan's 'Pathway to Prosperity (for me and my rich buds)' has already given us enough to know that the conservative movement and its supporters believe in wealth redistribution - to themselves.
Eric the re-Cantor....
Spank?
Willie Soon, a U.S. climate change skeptic who has also discounted the health risks of mercury emissions from coal, has received more than $1 million in funding in recent years from large energy companies and an oil industry group.
Soon, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, has also gotten funding from scientific sources including NASA and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. But starting early in the last decade, Soon began receiving more funding from the energy companies.
Last year, the foundation of Charles Koch, chairman and CEO of privately held Koch Industries, gave Soon $65,000 to study how variations in the Sun are related to climate change.
Koch is co-owned by David Koch, founder of Americans for Prosperity, a group aligned with the Tea Party movement, which opposes new air pollution regulations.
Skepticalscience.com has also visited this topic and summarizes the lack of a link at the thread It's cosmic rays which concludes that the science says: "While the link between cosmic rays and cloud cover is yet to be confirmed, more importantly, there has been no correlation between cosmic rays and global temperatures over the last 30 years of global warming."
Regardless of which research one chooses to consider regarding cosmic rays, there is certainly not enough evidence to hang one's hat on when using this hypothesis to claim that nature and not humans are causing the modern day climate change. If there were many scientists showing irrefutable data to support this claim, then perhaps the NIPCC's claims might hold water. The cosmic ray hypothesis is certainly not "extraordinary evidence" and appears be nothing at all.
Funding for NOVA is provided by ExxonMobil, David H. Koch, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and public television viewers
NOVA did an episode on CERN creatation cosmic rays trying to prove global warming cloud cover.
Oh so its the Kocks that fun CERN - the europeon agency?
Got it.
Just how far will your conspiracy theories go? Cern funding is public record. Look it up, you will not like it.
There you go with that bull@!$%# talking point again, Spanky: CERN, right?
Want to discuss it? Let me know...I'll be happy to hand your ass to you on a silver platter...but you simply wouldn't like me to do that in front of everyone, now would you?
..ball's in your court..."counselor"...
Eric Cantor went to Washington in 2001.
Prior to Cantor going to Washington, we had budget surpluses.
After Cantor went to Washington, we have only had budget deficits. Things were so bad that his votes with President Bush resulted in 700,000 Americans losing their jobs every month less than 3 years ago.
Re-Cantor
To those that post that FEMA was terrible during Katrina your right but then how could it of not of been
A. Was merged into HLS went from a medium sized agency to a tiny cog in the largest gov agency in history.
B. But Bush who appointed the head of FEMA did not have a clue how bad he made FEMA and told Brownie what a great job he was doing.
Yet you blame FEMA
Many since day one wanted Obama to be a one term president and will do anything to make that happen to bad if you had instead thought of what is best for the country instead of what is bad for Obama and worked with the President comprimise and get your own appoval ratings up republicans may of found a canditate who could win in 2012 in a fair race but as long as they keep focusing on just one thing thats making the President look bad he will get reelected in 2012 . The teaparty was put in to help make jobs surprise they have not and since they have been in we have less jobs and more people unemployed. A downgrade and a house controled by a minority
Good point Conservatives have spread lie after lie after lie in an effort to destroy the President.. they want to cripple the country and ride the resulting turmoil to power.. like the jackasses that now go around saying the nations credit rating was downgraded on Obamas watch when they were the ones that caused it!!
They are sick pathetic hateful minority which must never be allowed to gain power again..
The closer it gets to the election many just like Cantor will be talking sweeter out both sides of their mouth
saying all the good things people want to hear hoping the throw everybody under the bus and grandma over
the cliff will be forgotten.