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Subscribe to RSSGov. Rick Perry may face an old political ghost from his tenure as Texas Agriculture Commisioner -- a complimentary letter he wrote in 1993 to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton to urge her to consider the needs of rural residents as she drafted what would later be derided as "Hillarycare."
In the letter, dated April 6, 1993, Perry wrote to Clinton, “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable."
He went on to request that the health-care task force consider the unique needs of "farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities."
Perry campaign strategist Dave Carney told The Daily Caller, which first reported on the letter yesterday, that Perry would not have known the specifics of the policy at the time. "The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything," he said. "No one could have imagined the horrible monstrosity she cooked up, in fact, not to be outdone until 'ObamaCare' years later."
It is true that the precise details of the plan were unclear at the time and the process of hashing out the policy was (now infamously) opaque. But some of the broad goals of the legislation were being reported at the same time Perry was penning praise to Clinton.
According to a Los Angles Times report from April 5, 1993, the plan was designed to, in part:
* Guarantee that a uniform package of basic benefits will be available to everyone, although not all the uninsured will get this coverage right away. Among the basic benefits would be hospital and doctor services, including mental health care, and some prescription drug coverage.
* Create a standardized insurance form and bar insurers from refusing to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions, in order to enable people to change jobs-and insurers-without fear of losing coverage.
* Enact tort reforms to reduce medical malpractice litigation.
* Impose a price freeze on private-sector medical providers while the system of cooperatives is phased in, a process that could take three to five years.
* Phase in a requirement for employers to provide workers with health insurance, with government subsidies to help the smaller businesses.
Several of those objectives, including the mandate that employers provide health care for workers and the guarantee of universal benefits to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions, are now objectionable to conservatives like Perry, who has said he wants to use an executive order to dismantle "Obamacare."
Asked if Perry would have considered "commendable" those goals, which were public at the time that Perry praised Clinton, Carney told NBC News that while "insiders" were speculating about the details, Perry was simply raising concerns about an important constituency.
"The letter is very clear," Carney wrote via email. "They were trying to reform health care and no one knew how awful the final product would become. Insiders may have speculated on what might come out of the process. Rural voices and concerns deserved to be included."
NBC's Marcie Rickun contributed to this report.
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Like I said earlier...
Slick Rick should be more concerned about the book he wrote only 9 short months ago!
Ricky's gonna have some splainin to do! ;o)
Why would a 18 year old letter to a Democrat matter, when in fact lil Ricky was at one time a Democrat himself! lol
Slick Rick will try to swagger and wink himself out of this one.
...it's what he does...
Feisty - Ole' Ricky has been caught with his pants down and I suspect it won't be the first time this happens over the next few months. Another hypocrite hits the dust....LOL! Both he and Romney are so twisted up trying to do end runs around their own words and actions that it's quite amusing....alas almost sad. However, it couldn't happen to a better pair of corporate/government leaches.
In order to kill a leach you have to shut off it's blood supply aka $$$...
It's amazing how Texan governors have changed the diffenition of stupidity to "SWAGGER"!!!!!!
Right on Feisty! I'm giving a Black Panther salute to the screen here. .. lol
Also see Scarborough: Perry will do whatever to get elected (this is your own party speaking, Perry supporters)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/44338921#44338921
Get a serious candidate please...
This guy is SO easy that I am now starting to HOPE he gets the nomination, even with God's endorsement.
I dont care what Rick Perry thought 18 yrs ago, that's more than a lifetime in politics, it is evident he was buttering up to the First Lady at the time, as if he'd care what a woman thought or did even if she was the First Lady.
Rick Perry is a glad handling, slick opportunist who will do anything or say anything to fit whatever agenda he is pushing.
It is all Slick Rick does, what it comes down to who argues the best(since most are attys)and who of course has a bigger line than most. What a loon!
Feisty - Or throw them out of office.
Rick Perry is a glad handling, slick opportunist who will do anything or say anything to fit whatever agenda he is pushing.
You mean Perry and Obama are pretty much the same?
He literally got caught with his pants down several years ago with a male aide. The story dissapeared so fast you'd think his supporters owned all of the newspapers, radio & T.V. stations here in Texas.
tacky - LOL!!! You're kidding!!! Wow! Wouldn't that be a deal breaker!! Hopefully some crack reporter can dig that one up after he gets the nomination.
Well, ya know what they say. . . Democrats eventually grow up. To become Republicans.
Heck, The Turtle, Mcconnell was in San Antonio yesterday, kinda low keyed!
There were a few protestors from MoveOn.......but that didn't stop The Turtle from evading questions, while he still espoused that Slick Rick was a viable candidate!
Hogwash!
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/article/McConnell-warns-against-new-spending-plans-2147974.php
Come on it is corporate parties for corporate campaign donations.
Which corporations own your party?
Protect your party? I say it is time to kick both their asses!
Corporate America = Modernday Slavery
Our Forefathers where liberal liberators fighting against insiders for insiders.
tacky - Yes! That is where the danger lies!! His supporters do own all of the newspapers, radio and TV stations in Texas and in the rest of the nation. The same people pushing this douchebag on us are also the same people who control media content. Media is not free but quite the opposite - It is very expensive!!! It takes a lot of money to put out a newspaper, put on a radio show and to air television, and that money comes from advertisers who have a lot more say in content than they should have. This Perry Douche will do what he is told by the money behind him whereas Ron Paul will not be told what to do by his financial backers.
Whoa, ho, ho- we've got him now! He was advocating for farmers and rural Americans as a part of his role in office at the time. It's scandalous that he might actually be lobbying to aid those he ovesees. So here we are almost 20 years later- with Medicaid and Medicare woefully insolvent, entitlements being greater than ever before, an additional prescription medication program enacted, and Rick Perry comes to realize that making the system bigger and having the federal government oversee more isn't seeming to solve the problems. You mean to tell me that all of you still believe EVERYTHING you did 20 years ago? Not maturation of views? None??
Here's another scandal for you- 2011: First Lady Michelle Obama declares that people in the US need to eat better, then goes out and orders a double cheeseburger, extra fries, a large milkshake, and a piece of cheese cake. It's not that hard to find ANYONE saying one thing, then another (or doing the opposite). Get real.
@LaRue -- Please post links to show the ownership of "all" of the media in the nation and their relationship to Gov. Perry. Thanks.
MDB Right on, Obama should not take one dollar of campaign funds from any Corporation. Why the nerve of those Corporations making and supplying goods and services and making profits when the money actually belongs to the government to "redistribute" and make things fair.... Can you say Cuba?
No what they really say Miker, is republicans finally get an education and become Democrats. The ones that don't remain republican. Only the uneducated and uninformed become tea people GOP republicans.
So was Ronald Reagan.
What's your point?
Saying it's "commendable" is not a ringing endorsement of the plan itself.
Trying to reform health care from either party is commendable, but that doesn't mean you support their ideas.
Hello? The Ryan Plan.
That was a commendable effort too, but Democrats didn't agree with it did they?
Back in 1993, the parties still respected one another.
Now, it's totally divided.
Do you lefties think that there are no people out there that would like to see health care reform? You guys are crazy. This country needs reform and everybody knows it. President Obama himself said that if we didn't do something about the cost of health care in this country it would run us broke. Then he puts through legislation that does NOTHING to cut costs. Mr. Perry actually speaks up and says Hillary is working on something that needs to be done. She then comes up with one big POS. Did Mr. Perry praise her final work. HELL NO!! You lefties just need something to bash the right about everyday, don't you? The majority of Americans see right through you guys. The shellacking will continue next election.
LEAN FORWARD - this won't hurt a bit
Tony,
Nice spin!
The catering government who do you think they should cater to?
Pick a party!
Between Entitlements and Subsidies our economy is a Federal Curve.
Republicans want subsidies but not entitlements.
Democrats want both!
Well? Spin it!
Free Market! What a joke!
fiesty,
I was thinking the same thing about a bigger leach. One who has spent us into oblivion. That wold be BHO. The blood supply will evaporate in Nov. 2012. Hope all is well with you today.
tacky-2804817
He literally got caught with his pants down several years ago with a male aide. The story dissapeared so fast you'd think his supporters owned all of the newspapers, radio & T.V. stations here in Texas.
Maybe they do.
@MO: LOL!
I'm afraid if you knew much about me, you'd need a little sauce to help those words go down. . . Or, at least perhaps you'd (hopefully) give up the generalizations and show us that you've got at least a little education yourself. (Hint: Gross generalizations aren't usually the first sign of a highly educated mind.)
Our country has been tettering on the brink since GWB was president.
You liberal idiots actually think this is a big deal? Look over the last 18 years at what your President has written? Why don't you ever bring some of that up? As usual, your hypocrisy is unbelievable, much less your thought patterns.
Right out of the playbook, Skiddy
TACTICS FOR EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE BLOGGING By Karl Rove
Engage Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs. Entangle Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster
They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here. Demoralize Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately.
Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster.
It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win
Attack Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org,
the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible. Confuse Challenge the Liberal position with questions,
always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative
Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait. Contain Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints.
Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion.
Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER. Intimidate Taunt the Liberals.
If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument
then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is toprevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light.
Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage
Monitor other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up. Insult their Movement Assign as many character and moral flaws toLiberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.
Deceive Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the
effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.
It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating
Demean Always refer to the other
side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a
bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning
tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are
NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the
democrat party. Never assign them respect
Opportunity Be alert for ways to
insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list
of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent
repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will
neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become
truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't
hear it.
I'm not the hypocrite here.
and if you think you are going to hijack my posts with,
You liberal idiots actually think this is a big deal? Look over the last 18 years at what your President has written? Why don't you ever bring some of that up? As usual, your hypocrisy is unbelievable, much less your thought patterns.
don't hold your breath.
'In the letter, dated April 6, 1993, Perry wrote to Clinton, “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable."He went on to request that the health-care task force consider the unique needs of "farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities." '
So how does that get a 'spin' as being supportive of Obamacare?
msnbc is REALLY stretching to find something - anything to criticize Perry on.
MDB, So you are a socialist, what a surprise. You guy with your socialist utopia text book, really.
Got to tell you, the spruce goose looked good on paper too.
What I said is true.....it is called Cuba and there is a reason t looks like 1959. Your socialist utopia as a real life example.
wade
Where did you get that list of lies. MoveOn, Politico. Factcheck, Huffington?
You lefties keep posting that but I have never seen proof that Karl Rove wrote it.
Please prove it if you can. I will check your source and appreciate the truth if it is. The list really sounds like something from the left with a few words changed.
La La La La I can't hear you. JH.
So you're deaf and a liar?
Typical liberal. Cut and paste a lie and then don't defend it. Karl Rove would tear you to pieces in a debate. I would love to see it happen.
JH. I am not going to be sidetracked by you or any other conservative poster. If you cannot or will not show moderates or the left, do not expect me to answer any of your questions. I have the option to put you on ignore and that goes for any conservative who posts. Am I going to look up what I posted? Yes, it has the ring of truth. It outlines just how conservatives behave. It's not enough to disagree with a moderate, or a liberal, they must be discredited as well.
You have shown me zero respect, why are you surprised when I give you none in return?
Eat silence from me from now on JH you have earned it.
Tony,
Socialist?
Because I said both your parties are socialists you turned around and said I was a socialist?
Nice!
Subsidies for Corporations is Socialism Buddy! Corporations are people. Lick your fingers you sick pig.
See what happens. The libs have been posting that list of Karl Rove tactics and nobody has proof that Karl Rove actually wrote it. And crybaby Wade wants to go sulk in a corner because he was asked to prove it. Eat your own silence Wade. You are a liar as far as I'm concerned. I said I would accept your list if you could prove it and you turn things around to make me look like I'm expecing too much from you. STFU from now on if you don't know what you're saying is true. Typical liberal.
Feisty, do you have a real job or just sit at home and post comments all day?
Flip (Rick Perry) meet Flop (Mitt Romney). I guess they are both taking lessons from Eric Cantor who was for funding FEMA before he was against it.
NOW, let the hypocracy begin in earnest.... about those JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, the TeaPublicans promised us in the last election.
Wade:
Put a link up to that diatribe of lies. Since you are on here defaming Karl Rove, put a link on it.
You actually pulled that BS off of a damn blog, probably this one. If Rove had written something like that MSDNC would have devoted an entire month attempting to debunk it. Rove is not an ignorant man, if that was a strategy, simple people like you would never get your hands on it.
I'll just chalk it up as typical Liberal BS.
A lot of this is very consistent for Rick Perry – basically government hand-outs he could use to buy votes (including agriculture illegal votes—so Bush like). And a lot of such things originated from the Republican Party, like a mandate to force individual responsibility on all those free-loaders out there.
And when Democrats have an idea, like closing tax loopholes, Reagan had to create his own version of it, the way Rick Scott of Florida has in regard to a rail system. Or when Democrats embrace Pay-Go, or the president embraces large spending cuts including savings from entitlements, The Grand Obstructionist Party would rather harm America than give their "evil" opponents any credit.
Hopefully the president will propose a jobs plan that is so popular with so many Republican ideas included in it that the Teapublicans will finally be boxed in with no way out -- Either they say NO and lose seats in 2012, or say YES and if unemployment and the economy improves, they will have to work hard to take some of the credit.
In view of the right-wing low-information voters, Romney is my preference. Even the many similarities between Perry and Bush may not connect for these folks (like being a pilot—ha). One thing though, the Independents and even some Dems I knew who voted for Bush in 2006 because we were in the midst of the Iraq war, well Perry won't have that (though he'd probably start another war with Iran or Syria on his second day in hopes of getting "war president" amenities).
The next GOP/TP debate will be HI-larious.
No one disagreed then or now that health care needs an overhaul, Perry included. At the time Hillary Care details were unknown. Now that the details of "National Health Care" have been revealed to be detrimental to the National Budget, modeled after other countries that do not work, removes the freedom of choice, etc etc etc... Hell yes Perry and any logical American would be against it. But the biased-liberal-out to discredit all Republicans-media will spin it to make Perry look bad.
Inthemiddle,tx my answer to you is the same as what I said to JH. You too are being added to my ignore list.
The tea party and hard right Republicans (which they all are, having driven moderates out or right) don't need much explaining to convince them. They believe anything their overlords at Fox, Rush, etc tell them. Facts are of no consequence.
It's funny how hyper-partisan immature hacks criticize a person for being hyper-partisan, and then when that same person shows some depth, defying the criticism of partisanship at any cost. the same hacks throw mud.
I applaud Perry for working for his constituents over what may well have been personal feelings. He showed that he was willing to do his job, and even compromise, in order to properly serve the AMERICAN CITIZENS he was serving.
So all the billy goats can make all the noise that they want, Perry and Romney are both very viable candidates, and would wipe the floor with the teleprompter-in-chief.
Now for those of you who have not slammed me, I will post a link to the article in question. But only because I want to. No conservative poster here makes me do anything in the news vine. http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2011/8/26/151725/396/Diary/TACTICS-FOR-EFFECTIVE-CONSERVATIVE-BLOGGING-By-Karl-Rove, not any more.
Brenda, et al -- If only there was an option to report 'No Credible Source." Back it up or shut up--what you posted is not true. Other countries enjoy far better health care systems than we do. The Affordable Health Care Act is merely insurance reform--everyone will still be at the mercy of for-profit delivery systems with vile insurance middlemen to take even more out of your pocket.
Better yet, tell us your wonderful ideas for ways to fix the broken health care system. How about Perry, or even Romney, what do they propose?
*crickets*
ROFLOL! JH-479998, you just PROVED that Wade was right! With your very own post! You:
1) Assumed that the source must be one of the "liberal lies" to attack it, just as the Rove strategy said you should.
2) You used the disparaging term "lefty", just as the Rove strategy said you should.
3) Made demands for time consuming detailed proof, just as the Rove strategy said you should.
If this detailed Rove strategy didn't exist, why are you using it?
Do you always use a non-existent strategy?
CM
The proof that Wade offered is the only place I've seen the list of Rove tactics. That proof is a very liberal site that never says the list was written by Karl Rove. Wade is a liar who was asked for proof and couldn't come up with anything. He is a typical liberal who will spread lies and call it the truth. Anyone can cut and paste like Wade does. Then when they get called on it as being false they start screaming. That is a childish tactic.
Ty CM-6969,
Why are conservatives confused when I show them no respect after they have treated me with contempt?
I have had civil discussions with conservatives in the newsvine. I think 2 out of dozens.
If Rick Perry were a dog I would have him put down today. The man has wrecked the economy in the state of Texas, and now he want's to do to the all the states what he did to Texas.
JH
I applaud your patience but found that those who post the liberal spin on this site are so set in their thinking that they will resort to "la la la I can't hear you" and get back in the unemployment line to pick up their check.
Remember, you are threatening their ability to live on free Government cheese.
maybe available, sit in the corner with JH. You have no defence for your attitude.
grow UP to become republicans or grow CORRUPT?
True Patriot, I predict that the conservatives in the house will shoot down any jobs bill even if it is made up their wishlist.
Credit where credit is due,
TACTICS FOR EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE BLOGGING By Karl Rove Posted by Sidneyhop in Young Turks
Engage Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs. Entangle Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster
They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here. Demoralize Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately.
Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster.
It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win
Attack Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org,
the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible. Confuse Challenge the Liberal position with questions,
always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative
Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait. Contain Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints.
Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion.
Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER. Intimidate Taunt the Liberals.
If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument
then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is toprevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light.
Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage
Monitor other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up. Insult their Movement Assign as many character and moral flaws toLiberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.
Deceive Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the
effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.
It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating
Demean Always refer to the other
side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a
bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning
tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are
NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the
democrat party. Never assign them respect
Opportunity Be alert for ways to
insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list
of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent
repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will
neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become
truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't
hear it.
Ty Sydneyhop.
Wade -- Thanks for the information. A lot of these lock-step conservatives can be explained now.
Texas had a brief moment of sanity when they elected Ann Richards as governor. Then the Bush family took over. The only way that makes sense to me is if Karl Rove had a hand in it and completely took over/manipulated/threatened Texas politics. If they could elect a Democrat once in recent times, why not again? Now, I think Perry and his kind are too conservative even for Rove. Maybe Rove has been out-Roved by the Koch brothers.
Good to see you out & about Wade!
Here is the actual source of the manifesto;
http://www.webster.edu/medialiteracy/journal/FINALKARLROVE.pdf
They can continue to howl until the next full moon - it doesn't change the fact these tactics are being used extensively by the right wing nuts daily! ;o)
To my progressive friends out there - by all means post this repeatedly on every blog you participate in!
It's time we turned the lights on the roaches....
FR, I will ignore the tactics I see used in the manifesto and what Sidneyhop wrote. It drives conservatives nuts when their own tactics are used against them.
Nasty redhead
Good to see you got out of bed today. You do know that that list of Rove tactics was written by LIBERALS. That is their idea of his tactics because he puts libs to shame all the time. The problem is that Karl Rove doesn't need tricky tactics to put libs to shame, he does it with the truth. Unlike you and your liberal friends who have to make this crap up and claim it to be his work. Just like when ever you lefties say anything about the Tea Party be sure and mention the word EXTREME. It reall gets old and most Americans have seen all of you for what you are. Liars. Or maybe just dumb. I'll never understand. But as I have said before, the shellacking will continue next election. That is when the fun with you guys will really begin because you will get even crazier. We'll probably hear the explosion of Wade's head all over the globe.
LEAN FORWARD - this won't hurt a bit.
Aw JH is like the energizer bunny, JH never quits.
I'm going to quit right now Wade. I think I'll go have a beer and sit on my yacht. See ya. Wouldn't want to be ya.
An aside, to all you calling Perry "Slick Rick": do you know who the original Slick Rick is??
Either a) maybe I'm not as hip as I thought I was compared to all you news nerds, or b) I feel a tad bit bad for even this most profane of rappers to have to share the name. :P
Feisty, - you say: "In order to kill a leach you have to shut off it's blood supply aka $$$..."
... for once I agree with you! ... of course, I would apply that thinking to the layabouts that get the entitlements from the taxpayers.
So you are okay with corporations getting tax rebates, and cutting off the safety nets that protect the elderly, the disabled, and the poor, Nigel. More disrespect from the rove Manifesto?
so dave carney . If hillary care and obama care are so bad . what does parry plan to do? since this needs to be addressed.He didn't like obama care even before he knew anything about it..why am I wasting my time . he is status quo... he already complained about the fedreal reserve. lets see if he does again (bet he won't, just like glenn beck will never do another show on the FED either), or just brushes that comment under the rug also.
nigel lets meet in the middle.. and lose corporate welfare, it's not working 12 yrs no jobs...and put the necessary welfare back on track with "government cheese" no more swiping your "lone star card" at 7-11 for red bulls and twinkies for your 4 kids, or the recent scam where ppl were using these cards at "gentlmans clubs", have you seen that one, or trading to drug dealers.. Only healthy necessities, and have id. to prove they belong to you..
yes Bill c that was a pretty dumb statement thanks for noticing . that was from a time when republicans WERE CONSERVATIVE, wake up ! really, please. If you are a true conservative, and really pay attention, you know damn well that Clinton WAS the last remotely fiscal conservative pres. we had. he put welfare in check also. But your "republican" bush undid all of that. DIDN'T HE? republicans are not conservative. YOU KNOW IT. so just stop defending them. BTW Obama is no different. why you people hate him so much is beyond me. He is doing nothing different than your boy bush. wars,debt ceiling increases,tax "cuts"....on and on I'm tired..wake up. you know I'm right. vote Ron Paul
JH prolly has to get to walmart before the crowd.his yacht is a floating trailer. I used to work with him at the flower shop. he was always complaining something about "spreading wealth" I don't know ? you would think if he had any he would fix his teeth. Alas who am I to judge.
Surrviivor translator key:
prolly = probably
get to Walmart before the crowd = Survviivor is going to Walmart and can think of nothing else.
floating trailer = apparently Survviivor lives in a trailer in a low lying area
if he had any (teeth) he would fix his teeth = Survviivor is upset he can't get his teeth fixed on the taxpayer's dole
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Nasty Redhead - hows the syphillus treatment coming?
Perry sold his soul to the devil, this bible thumping fool would destroy our country. Perry worships the rich. Also Perry said S.S., & Medicare are unconstitutional. I smell something rotten with this guy and it stinks.
Rick Perry: Leader of the Republican Taliban.
FR: Perry praised Clinton.
Well, of course he wouldn't praise President Obama. You know why.
Because he is a sorry president?
guess again
John, Tucson, AZ
Because he is a sorry president?
No because Texas is not the kindest place for people of any other color but WHITE!!!!! no matter what political party you belong to.
thats why
Don't tell anyone, but these Republican-Tea Potty folks don't like having a very smart and caring Black Man in charge. It's against their rules and I can just hear their back room conversations.
Job1- I won't tell anybody, but most thinking people already know.
Smart caring Black Man???? Who would that be? Odumbo is not black....not totally. And he sure is not caring except for his muslim brothers
Yes Bev, we Do know why...
Obama is a dumba$$.
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Actually, John... most of America is sorry he is president. :-P
Does anyone on the left have anything more substantial to say about Perry other than he's racist? Please prove to me that he doesn't support Obama because he's black.
Obama let Rezco screw minorities in his district for a sweet land deal. What has any Tea party member done to screw minorities.
Libs, by just keep saying crap, does not make it true.
why are liberals such ignorant bigots? They constantly use the racism canard. Evidently because they seem to suffer a debilitating mental disorder, they can only use straw man arguments instead of exercising cognitive thought and reasoned debate.
Some of the leading thinkers in Libertarian philosophy that inspired the Tea Party are African Americans. People like Dr Walter Williams, Dr Thomas Sowell, and Larry Elder.
Gov Perry who was already conservative has like a number of Republicans come to understand that libertarian and Tea Party beliefs reflect not only the principles of our nation, but the leading political leaning of the American public.
Really??-3862758
You must be one of those birther, racist, and card carrying KKK tea potty folks.
By the way, His name is President Obama, and he is the President of the United States.
More false rhetoric from the left...once again.
1. As of 2009, Texas was the only state to have 3 African Americans serving in statewide office—all Republicans: Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson, Texas Supreme Court Justice Dale Wainwright, and Railroad Chairman Michael Williams.
2. Since Republicans became the statewide majority in 1994, 8 minority Texans have held statewide office; yet in the 122 years that Democrats controlled the State (1872-1994), only 4 minority Texans held statewide office.
3. The Texas Republican Party was formed on July 4, 1867, in Houston by 150 African Americans and 20 white Texans.
4. 2 of the first 3 statewide leaders of the Republican Party of Texas were African American.
5. The first 42 African Americans elected to the Texas Legislature were Republicans.
6. When the Republicans became the majority in the Texas Legislature in 1869, they established a system of free public schools to educate all the children of the State—something Democrats had refused to do.
7. The first faith-based program was proposed in the 1870s by African American Republican Senator Matthew Gaines.
8. When Democrats recaptured Texas government in 1872, Democrat Governor Richard Coke's election was described as "the restoration of white supremacy."
9. President George W. Bush was the first president to appoint an African American as Secretary of State (Colin Powell). He also appointed blacks as National Security Advisor (Condoleeza Rice), Secretary of Education (Rod Paige), and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (Alphonso Jackson). In his second term, he appointed the second african american Secretary of State (Condoleeza Rice).
10. With new programs established by President Bush, African American home ownership is at an all-time high.
11. Of the 5 African Americans who have ever been U.S. Senators, 3 were Republicans.
12. The 13th Amendment abolishing slavery passed Congress with the support of 100% of Republican members but with only 23% of the Democrat members.
13. When the 14th and 15th Amendments extending civil rights and voting rights to African Americans passed, not even 1 Democrat in Congress voted for those amendments.
Okay Job, President Obama, before he was elected by you fools, screwed minorities for a sweet land deal.
Would you like to address the actual issue or play with semantics?
Oh my, Landoran... You went and done it now... You presented facts about the TRUE democratic party...
That is gonna Pi$$ them off! If these facts were to get out to the democratic base they might see that the Dems are actually holding them down and they didn't even realize it.
Ah, yet another reference to the Democratic and Republican parties of 100 years ago, in the hopes that people won't realize they have switched places on social policy since then.
Ash, that is always the Democrats defense, they switched. yet there is no proof, just scream it loud enough until it is fact in your head.
Why was MLK a Republican? That was not 100 years ago.
1994, 2001 and 2009 were 100 years ago?
Either you're a time traveler or your math teacher wasn't too bright.
I can't believe all of the race baiting done by so called progressives. If you were really progressives you would get in the present instead of living in the 1860's (maybe you're really regressives). Obama is just a bad president, so was Carter, it has nothing to do with color, they just make situations worse than they were when they inherited the job. Did they inherit problems? Yes, but they failed to make them better. They are both terrible leaders and that is why they are bad presidents. Nothing to do with color or lack thereof. If you have to fall back on the race card every time someone disagrees with you the Democrats may be in far worse trouble than I thought.
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Now why would this comment be collapsed? Is it because he pointed out that Obama is half-white? Are the liberals here in denial that he has white blood running through his veins? (Seems kind of racist to deny this doesn't it?)
Or is it becasue they dont like someone pointing out Obama's fondness for the muslim brotherhood? (I mean aren't we all one happy human race? Why deny that?)
I got it.... it was collapsed because the poster used the word 'Odumbo'... sticks and stones children!
lvingbarefoot: "Ash, that is always the Democrats defense, they switched. yet there is no proof,"
The barest amount of research will prove you wrong.
"Why was MLK a Republican? That was not 100 years ago."
Went to MLK's Wikipedia page, did a search for the word "Republican", didn't find it. Where are you getting your information from?
Just google the question. There are several links including an interesting piece on MLK on Snopes. I wouldn't use Wikipedia as an accurate source as anyone can update.
The GOP of 1867 was a different animal Landoran. The Republicans of the time were moderate to liberal. The South seceded due to Democratic sentiments. Now over a hundred years later the Parties have switch platforms.
Wade,
You don't know your history, but you do know how to try and rewrite it.
Just another liberal/Democrat who can't admit they're on the wrong side of history and don't want to admit it.
Classical liberals, who broadly emphasized the importance of free markets and civil liberties, dominated liberal history for a century after the French Revolution. The onset of the First World War and the Great Depression, however, accelerated the trends begun in late 19th century Britain towards a "new liberalism" (social liberalism) that emphasized a greater role for the state in ameliorating devastating social conditions. By the beginning of the 21st century, liberal democracies and their fundamental characteristics—support for constitutions, civil rights and individual liberties, pluralistic society, and the welfare state—were widespread in most regions around the world.
Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.[1][2]
Classical liberalism developed in the 19th century in Europe, and the United States. Although classical liberalism built on ideas that had already developed by the end of the 18th century, it advocated a specific kind of society, government and public policy required as a result of the Industrial Revolution and urbanization.[3] Notable individuals who have contributed to classical liberalism include Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus and David Ricardo.[4] It drew on the economics of Adam Smith, a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law and utilitarianism, and a belief in progress. Classical liberals established political parties that were called "liberal", although in the United States classical liberalism came to dominate both existing major political parties.[1] There was a revival of interest in classical liberalism in the 20th century led by Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman.[5]
Some call the late 19th century development of classical liberalism "neo-classical liberalism," which argued for government to be as small as possible in order to allow the exercise of individual freedom, while some refer to all liberalism before the 20th century as classical liberalism.[6] Libertarianism is a modern form of neo-classical liberalism.[7]
The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[8] Some conservatives and right-libertarians use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government. It is not always clear which meaning is intended.[9][10][11]
This does NOT describe liberals TODAY.
Do liberals today believe in:
Limited government - Nope
Constitutionalsim - Only when it can further your agenda or hide behind it, other than that no you don't
I'd like to think you still believe in "rule of law" and "due process"
Liberty of idividuals - nope. Taking from the "rich" to redistribute wealth is not individual liberty.
Freedom of religion - sure, as long as you're not Christian. Then it's open season on Jesus and Christmas
Freedom of Speech - as long as it's liberal speech or doesn't offend you
Press - sure MSNBC press
Assembly - sure to riot when you don't get what you want
Free Markets - yeah right.
WHO WAS THE LAST PARTY TO HAVE AN ACTUAL MEMBER OF THE KKK AS A SITTING SENATOR, UP UNTIL 2010?
DEMOCRATS.
ROBERT BRYD
Nice try Landoran. I was born in Kentucky. Some of my distant ancestors owned slaves, not something I am proud of. I am a son of the south. That doesn't mean I am proud of what the south did or is trying to do now. I grew up with openly racist relatives. Given my family background I could have been a redneck. Members of my family are. I trust my interpretation of history over yours.
You are the person who doesn't know their countries history. If enough like minded people vote with you, We will be forced to relive history.
Who was over heard saying "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years"?
LBJ - Democrat President, November 22, 1963 – January 20, 1969
The same LBJ who as a Senator blocked the vote for the civil rights bill. Oh by the way, Al Gore's father voted against the civil rights bill as a Senator too.
Then when LBJ became President, the Republican controlled Congress in 1964 FORCED him to sign the 1964 Civil Rights Bill.
Yeah, let's see 2011 - 1964 = 47 years ago.
Let's see you rewrite that.
That's your rebuttal?
True liberal/Democrat.
Just give some irrelevant response, backed up by ZERO argument with any facts or intellectual debate. You didn't even try argue against my points, just said "nice try". How f'ing sad.
Yeah, the Klan came from the south and the Democrat Party was their defacto political party, not only that the KKK was the strong arm of the Democrat Party.
Democrats have been good at one thing. Convincing minorities they're really not the racists.
Now instead of chains to enslave blacks, Democrats use economics to enslave them, called welfare.
Come on Wade, what else you got?
You obviously cannot debate an educated person.
Go back to watching MSNBC where everyone thinks and says everything you believe, so you don't have to use your own brain.
The truth hurts doesn't it Landoran.
wow, wade......just wow.
You're pathetic.
I'll take that as your surrender and admission of "no I can't debate you".
Run off now little boy.
Schools out and lesson's over.
Wade:
You are about as wrong as 2 left shoes. You are the one that needs to do some research.
BTW: If you were raised your entire life with racists and bigots, then 9 times out of 10 you are one too. Maybe you can hide yours a little better than they can.
#2....I'm a blackman and I was taught about MLK and yes he was a Republican and that damn sure was not a 100 yrs ago.
Landoran - you are rockin' it today! Keep up the good, no, great work!
Practical Libertarian, join the ranks of shameless conservatives like landoran and inthemiddle.
Ha, ha, ha...
Wade, just look at your responses.
I'm waiting for the ever so popular, "yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad" reply.
Or are you going to pull a Contessa Brewer "do you have a degree in economics"?
I love posting this, because it's a perfect example of what it's like to argue with a dumb, smug, and condescending liberal.
I wonder at which point in time during this interview Contessa Brewer realized she's a moron.
youtube.com/watch?v=5mtQyEd-zS4
1872 - to 1994 ? really ? how many of those years could blacks even vote? and once they had the right, how long did it take before any were even close to electable? just a idiotic post.
to answer origional question...I don't know why . unless he didn't like bush, because the big "O" has done bush tax "cuts" , debt ceiling increases just like bush (not as many, but He will get there) , continued bush's wars, and added one, made cuts to social security, his obama care is a farce that won't make it out of the supreme court.....and so on . So I don't see why republicans hate him . He is just like half black bush. hmmm maybe it is that he is black? I really don't see another reason. anyone else? It would seem that he is a closet republican. he should quit the sham and change party's like Rick Parry
If I am so wrong Landoran, why are you trying so hard to intimidate me into silence?
It will be a cold day in hell before, you or any conservative poster intimidates me in to silence, Landoran.
National healthcare was commendable then and it is commendable now. The republicans can beat each other up all they want for supporting the different versions, Romneycare, Hillarycare, Obamacare, Medicare. Really they should stop trying to make political points and scaring people and face up to the reality that national healthcare has to be kept/promoted/improved or all our resources are going to eaten up by healthcare costs.
Joe - You are quite correct. Some form of national healthcare is going to have to be devised in order to keep the entire private health care system from collapsing....and it will collapse.
Yes Laurie it will collapse under the weight of all the lawyers who feed at the malpractice troftwhat we truly need is tort reform malpractise insurance just for a general practitioner runs over a $100000.00 a year can't imagine what it cost specialists and surgeons let alone hospitals or suppliers. Just amagine how much they spend just for insurance because of a sue happy world we live in.
Dark Guardian - Although your assertion may be some small part of the problem but that's not what really drives health care costs. What really drives health care costs are fee for service claims by doctors and all the facilities they own such as MRI facilities, special surgery facilities, satellite emergency facilities, etc. Talk about a conflict of interest. These physicians know how to game the system to get a big pay off. Additionally, the private insurance system is geared for profit so physicians artificially inflate pricing so that insurance companies will pay close to the real costs instead of a percentage. Also, and this can't be discounted, the growing numbers of uninsured that need health care and swamp emergency rooms for treatment. Someone has to pay that bill and it falls on everyone else who does have insurance to cover those without. Thus the mandate for buying health insurance. Even if it's just a nominal amount to pay, it would bring costs down to have everyone insured, everyone paying into the system. It boggles my mind that Republicans of all people...touting personal responsibility ad nauseam, would be against a mandate that all people carry insurance and stop being a burden on society at large.
Good to see Dark Guardian is one of the tea people GOP republicans. You've got their talking points down pat Dark. Even though they've been debunked many times. Looks like you're one of the uninformed Dark.
@laurie
Requiring everyone to carry health insurance violates the constitution and our liberties. I don't have health insurance, have no intention to have health insurance- I don't use doctors or hospitals and I am 62 years old.
The oft used analogy of car insurance is not valid. First of all, the primary purpose of auto insurance is liability protection for OTHERS. Secondly NO ONE is forced to own a car so car insurance is only for those who own a vehicle.
There is no constitutional authority for Congress to be involved with health care. It is constitutionally left to the states to control and that was the case until Obama became president.
laurie, the sooner the obscenity that is profit-driven health insurance does collapse, the better.
Laurie, Mo - Dark Guardian does have the talking points down. Malpractice insurance is just a symptom of the disease that is our current healthcare. Just one small example: A friend of mine is a small business person (like the ones the Republicans claim are their focus). She is 60 years old, not quite old enough for Medicare, but plenty old enough to have a heart attack. In the last couple of years, she had to let her private medical insurance policy lapse because the premium had gone up so much and her income had gone down because of the recession. (In case you are not familiar with the cost of private insurance - typically costs upwards of $300 per month for very basic coverage with a high deductible.) So, thank God, the heart attack was mild, but still required a trip to the emergency room, a number of tests, and an overnight stay in the hospital. The bill? $40,000. She will not be able to pay this off in her lifetime. What is she supposed to do if she has chest pains again? We are, those of us who are un or underinsured, one MRI away from bankruptcy.
We must do something about healthcare in this country. How can we be the greatest country in the world if our citizens cannot get basic care without bankrupting themselves?
John, Tucson, AZ
Because he is a sorry president?
Tucson John, The sorriest people on earth are the piss- poor, candidate, Tea Pottys in the GOP clamoring on their merry go round to be a nominee.
President Obama has been the most progressive president since LBJ and even LBJ couldn't get everything he wanted with Civil rights then. Consequently, we got this sorry crap of Boll weevils and T- baggers.
I have been in the medical insurance business for over 40 years and believe me, have seen a lot. I remember delivering the first $100 famly rate for medical insurance; those same plans are not about $1,500 per family. Of course, then a semi-private hospital room was $20 per day!
I wish it was a single issue that is ruining our health care system. It is not, everyone on here is correct, malpractice insurance has an effect, GREED has an effect, poor business management has an effect, fraud has an effect, technology has an effect and cost shifting. Cost shifting is the largest component of health care inflation. That is the amount added to our bill to cover the losses of un and under insured people. That alone makes up nearly 30% of every billing. If everyone had insurance (or the ability to pay) every $100 bill you get would only need to be $70. Notice I did not say would be $70; that is when the greed kicks in.
Larry, it is easy to say I don't have insurance and don't intend to. You don't go to the doctor. What happens when you have a car accident and are taken to the ER; have a heart attack, etc. Are you prepared to pay cash for your $100,000 hospital bill? Probably not, who do you expect to pay that? If you do not pay the bill, who does? It is added to everyone elses billing for us to pay.
I would love to have your attitude!!! I have a very illl husband and have good group insurance, but I spend between $12,000 and $17,000 out of pocket for medical each year. Because I have so many bills I can not say they are all paid on time and thus show up on my credit report. If I live to be 100 I will never get all his medical bills paid; but I don't expect them to be paid by someone else, so I pay and pay and pay.
I say if you show up at the ER door with no means of payment, deny services. That should make people want to buy medical coverage! Like every other service, can't pay, no service.
The idea of insurance for catastrophe is wise. What began as the catastrophic kind of insurance has turned into covering every damn visit and pill. I remember when I was a kid, we had Blue Cross, and we paid for our doctor visits, and our medications. I would assume the deductible was rarely met, as we were pretty healthy as a family.
If we started by paying out of pocket for all the regular stuff, costs would drop on the insurance side of the equation.
Next would be to transition our system from profit to non-profit. Not government, but private, non-profit, state by state, as that is how medical services are delivered. This one size fits all nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Get the federal government out of medicine. Block grant by population Medicare / Medicaid, and let the states manage 100% of the work, through non-profits. We have many non-profit insurance organizations already.
I know this sounds nuts coming from a libertarian, but I am practical - and I believe that we do need to care for each other. But that care needs to have as little government as possible, as that seems to be the biggest contributor to cost, inefficiency, fraud, waste and abuse.
Fine Practical. If you can suggest something that delivers aide when needed as effectively as it is now, I'm all for it. Until then if there is no other way to help people in need the government must do so. I am not for the reliance on peoples good will for the delivery of health care.
Bj, not everyone is ALLOWED to buy health insurance. If you have a preexisting condition no one wants to cover you except for medicare and medicaid. The problem with those is that for medicare one has to be disabled or elderly, and to get medicaid one has to be below the poverty line. I worked as a security guard from 1981 to 1991 and no private firm would cover me. All private insurance wants to do is to ensure people who will not need services.
bj
I have a living will pocket copy that I carry that instructs medical professionals not to extend any life saving care to me.
I have no interest in living beyond my time.
BTW, I've had a heart attack and got through it with prayer and natural health practices. Because of demands by my children I had an EKG that verified it.
I've had broken bones and treated them myself.
Larry: do you do your own surgery too? Gee, wow. What a plan for America.
I guess Larry could always trade some chickens for health care if it becomes necessary. I've heard that certain TP's think that's a viable option. He's just a fool that will end up costing those of us with insurance significantly more when he ends up in the hospital on a $250,000 heart attack or cancer treatment. I've heard it all before, I don't go to doctors so I don't need insurance. Bull, my father had insurance but hadn't been to a doctor in 30 years and then lung cancer and prostate cancer hit within 4 years of each other, treatment for the two of them would have been more than $750,000 without his insurance.
Sucking up to Hillary! Too funny. Republicans love her, BTW.
Since when?
At least republicans think she would have made the better president that the idiot you democrats put in office.
Give us a break Really, you tea people GOP republicans thought Cheney/Bush was a better President and you see where that got us. And just to show how really uninformed you tea people GOP republicans were/are, you still think Cheney/Bush was a good administration after all the devastation they did to this great country.
I recall a lot of republicans changing sides and voting for Hillary in the primaries. Kept her in the running a lot longer.
Feisty's post brings up an interesting point. Romney changes course and is accused of flip flopping. Using that logic, since Perry changed his party affiliation, is that also flip flopping---a rather big flip flop???
The Leftist Press is in FULL ATTACK MODE because the FAILURE OBAMA has NOTHING to RUN ON
Madison, Madison, Madison...if the press were truly leftist and in the bag for Obama, they would ignore this until Perry is nominated knowing that Perry's documented stances are too far right to win the general. they would be doing what ever it takes to build up his bona fides with the republican right wing. Instead, they highlight his philosophical flip-flopping.
Madison, you spout nonsense...as usual. There is no such thing as a leftist press it is another myth (lie) pushed by the right and THEIR propaganda machines.
If he would stop trying to be a gentleman, he would have plenty to run on! Everyone of his proposals was either watered down or voted down, but his proposal were sound. His healthcare plan was good -before being watered down. the stimulus that included 40% of the money go for infrastructure- that would have created jobs AND fixed our roads and bridges, but it was shot down by Republicans who wanted the money to go to the states who only helped keep their budgets in check and created no jobs just saved some. I would debate this issue point by point fro days.
Politico 8/31/11: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'
See article at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62396.html
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Calling hard working citizens who want responsible government spending racist is "fair and balanced"?
Really, you liberals really expect people to deny what you can see and experence every day, like you do? Most of the media in this country is run by liberals and consists of liberals. This is not a secret.
rick in savannah: Apparently you don't watch the news. Obama is in full campaign mode and the evening news can't wait to report on it. Irene was a little distraction but they're coming back already and make no mistake about it, they're going to play a major role clear through Nov. 2012. MSNBC cable linup will be there too.
Yeah, repeating what a republican says is considered an attack, in the same manner as asking a republican what publications she reads is a trick question.
imnotlost...so?
the point, since I have to be more blatant with you, is that if the press were, indeed, leftist and one with the Obama campaign, they would be doing everything possible to get Perry (Bachman, Palin, Trump...) nominated.
Instead, they are telling the republican primary voter "he is not one off you".
And, you are right, the past few weeks I have been watching Lost and Heroes on Netflix instead of fixating on off-year August politics.
President Obama is a nice guy and a pretty good speaker I think, but he's in way over his head when it comes to being President. I'm a republican by nature, but it should not be about politics anymore. We have to get the best candidate. As for Perry, I don't know if he's the guy for the job yet or not, but there's no doubt this country deserves better than what we have now. In my opinion, there's no doubt the media is biased toward the left, but it has evened out some I think. Fox news is admittedly very conservative while MSNBC is sickly liberal, although they seem to be trying to clean up their act with the firing of Keith Olberman. As far as this story with Perry praising Hillary, it seems like a non-issue to me.
The left fears the likes of Palin and Bachmann because they have the guts to shut down the Federal Government Redistribution and Citizen Control System, i.e., the NLRB, DOEducation, DOEnergy, EPA, FRB, all other Federal Agencies sucking the lifeblood out of our nation, MONEY SUCKING EVER GROWING BUREAUCRATIC NIGHTMARES
GBM... do you believe that the press is right leaning?
I'll tell you what I believe... I believe the press is about the press... and MONEY! They lean whichever direction will sell the most papers, gain the most viewers, or get the most website hits.
The press is no different than those EVIL corporations out to make a PROFIT! They care NOTHING about reporting the truth or remaining objective. They care only about making money. They break big stories one day on the front page... whether the stories are true or not... and then print retractions on the back page in tiny print.
The press is nothing more than whores!
"Common Sense from Illinois"
Your post made me feel very sad. How in the world would Perry be "better" than President Obama? What would he do differently? The Republicans said letting us default on our loans would be no big deal. The President offered to cut spending by historic levels if House Republicans would agree to close some tax loopholes, and they refused. The whole thing went down to the wire, and we nearly defaulted. Is that what you think is a good thing? Perry is to the right of most of those House Republicans. That's the kind of administration we would have: tax cuts for the wealthiest protected even at the cost of reducing our federal debt. Tell me, have you ever heard of a Republican "solution" to our economic problems beside cutting taxes? Are you one of those people who were happy with Bush's policies. Please, think, how did that turn out?
OK rick in savannah: If you think we're in an off year for campaigning go ahead. Obama is in full campaign mode and I believe his people have told him that the upcoming "jobs" speech has the potential to make or break his re-election chances. And the part about the media helping choose a republican nominee; they don't care who the nominee is, they're psyched on the belief that they can win the next election for Obama regardless of who runs against him.
Common Sense, you're not just a republican by nature, you're a bonefide hardcore tea person GOP republican period.
Madison nobody fears Palin or Bachmann, we do get a kick out of them. Let me ask you Madison. Just who came to the rescue of New York after the 911 attacks? Was that all those Federal Agencies sucking all the lifeblood out of our nation? What do you think would have happened if they hadn't come to your rescue? You need to think before you post, you look foolish when you decry help for others when you've been helped by them.
See, the problem with bias in the media is that reality has a liberal bias.
imnotlost...seriously, man. you are picking on the 'off-year' comment?
fine
have a nice one
Calling hard working citizens who want responsible government spending racist is "fair and balanced"?
If the shoe fits Madison, wear it proudly.
Ha, ha, ha , ha
and see
Scarborough: Perry will do whatever to get elected (this is your own party speaking, Perry supporters)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/44338921#44338921
Get a serious candidate please...
haggisbingo: Scarborough is neither a republican nor democrat, regardless of what he says. He's mostly an entertainment piece, takin jabs at the subject of the day. Don't look for the same swooning over republicans that you see for democrats on prime time MSNBC, 8-11 EST.
imnotlost (I'm starting to doubt that) Scarborough is not a republican?!?
So the R after his name when he was in Congress meant...what?
Scarborough is not a conservative-despite his constant attempts (with promotion by MSNBC) tries to portray himself as a conservative-
there is little if anything conservative about Scarborough or his views. The fact that MSNBC continues to promote him is evidence of that
Joe Lieberman had a (D) after his name, now there's an (I)
Arlen Specter used to have an (R) after his name, then in 2009 there was a (D)
To some of these politicians it's interchangeable depending on which one they think they can win under.
A letter after your name doesn't indicate your true beliefs, it's your actions.
John Huntsman has an (R) after his name, but it's pretty clear he's not a Republican, he's a Democrat.
grasping at straws....they are a dwindling minority... the teapublicans....
Rick, Scarborough is a RINO at best.
He's a republican. you may not like the kind of republican he is, but he is.
That's like me saying Obama isn't a Democrat because i don't think he is far enough to the left.
And that, my friends, is why Obama will win again in 2012.
Let me define what I consider to be a R.I.N.O. Abraham Lincoln, the president on whose watch Slavery ended, was a Republican. People who think like him are Republicans. I think like Lincoln, therefore I am a Republican. People who call themselves Republicans but advocate the dismantling of government as we know it are anarchists, ergo they are R.I.N.O.s Joe Scarborough is a Republican. I don't agree with everything he says. He is respectful to those who disagree with him civilly.
You and your friends...that makes one vote.
"You and your friends...that makes one vote"...?
oh...I get it! funny
you are a bright one
The man is beyond scum and is more about political opportunism than anything. He hates the federal government until he needs to request federal funds for fighting wildfires. He wants to be President of a nation that he wants to secede from. I am enjoying the rest of the world getting a look at the idiocy that we've been dealing with in Texas for the past 12 years.
It's been at least 20 years Vince, or have you forgot Bush II.
Wow! Another "nothing" story by the media bent on making Perry look bad. Funny how every liberal falls in line on this stuff. Perry writes a letter commending a Democrat on her effort to reform healthcare and suddenly he endorses "Obamacare". Keep stretching libs, I guess if you throw enough crap against the wall something will stick.
Sorry "Lukewarm" the stuff that will stick is the stuff that's already come out of his own mouth and book. As for the letter to Hillary, no big news, he was a democrat at one time until he went to the dark side...
Luke, We know. We know. You'd rather have Hitler than Obama. Doesn't much matter what kind of a fascist our candidate is, he'll do a better job than O .... lol...
Perry - candidate of the dark (and dumb) side ...
you do have a point, haggis...
The trains did run on time under Mussolini.
at least you're honest. Should I rest my case now or wait until other Perry supporters join in on this topic??
I think you're missing our point. Perry is an opportunist. He'll say anything, whether true or not, just to appease the people he's talking to at the time. He bases his decisions not on fact or even a personal conviction, but rather on what's the popular thing to say today. Romney's the same, but since he was already vetted in the last election, it's easier to tie him to his fips and flops. We're just beginning to find out obout Perry's Flops and Flips. There's much more to come.
Republicans would rather see still keep moving backward with health care while other countries system are far superior. How about more prevention and junk food our of our schools. Food stamps for health food. Politicians just by nature cannot tell the truth or talk issues, Better to bash each other. We need money out and better ways for independents to run.
You pretty much described Obama.
You don't mention for some reason;
Obama being against raising the debt ceiing, then for it.
Obama critiizing Buh for deficit spending and running up te debt. Now Obama is on course to out spend Bush and even more if he has his way.
What about all the "promises" Obama made, that just didn't happen?
Opportunist!
Perry doesn't need any help making himself look bad, he does a pretty good job all on his own. All us Democrats have to do is stand back and let Perry talk. It worked with Palin, it worked with Bauchmann, it worked with Romney, it worked with Huntsman, it worked with Trump, all we have to do is let the tea people GOP republican candidates talk, they're their own worst enemies.
Tom, please enlighten me... How is Obama any different?
If you want to talk about integrity and standing on principles.... you should be talking about the TEA partiers... You may not like what they say... but you must admit... they have not changed their song just because opposition spoke out.
@Mo -- Then why don't you take your own advice and don't say anything?
These liberals make your point for you. LOL. Stand back and let Perry talk? When does that happen? LOL
Hey I'm not trying to shut him up. It's you tea people GOP republicans that keep trying to explain his statements away. Keep talking Rick keep talking.
yeah, where are you going to find entertainment like this? A man who thinks he's a national leader, losing a debate with a middle schooler? Thinks he's going to take Florida by calling social security a Ponzi scheme? You can't make this stuff up...
hilarious; if it smells like a skunk it most certainly is one.
If Perry is allowed to back track as much as Obama is from the left then he will be fine.
How pathetic does the leftwing media look, in full "Perry panic"?
Amazing how candidate Obama got nothing but love from the mainstream media in 2008, whilst Mr Perry gets roughed up.
If Perry runs the gauntlet of the media attack hounds during the primary, their arsenal will be emptied in the general election.
Its very simple to defuse this potentially volatile situation. Simply publish the Perry letter condemning "Hillary Care" AFTER all the facts were known. Obviously there is one if he now tries to dodge the situation. Why is it that on unflattering matters, candidates like Perry trot out a "spokesperson" to issue a denial? Bachmann's lap dog mouthpiece says "she was only joking" about Irene being God's punishment on America. Why can't these people do their own talking? Perhaps its because they don't know which of their two faces to speak from?
Jim in Texas-you mean the same way that Obama, Biden, Reid, and every other politician from both parties do?
what an ignorant post.
Health care reform is commendable. But, politics is not.
So everyone agrees we need someone who Cares? Republicans and Democrats so what is holding it up? Does someone need to hold someones hand, before we get work done. Countries who have Universal Healthcare are getting all of our jobs just ask a Republican.
Is this really newsworthy? He wrote a letter to express his concern for people he served. Is that so wrong? And have we become so divisive that we cannot seperate an 18 year old letter from political rhetoric? I am not a fan of Clinton or Perry, but I have to say the American people will never have a chance to know the real Perry or any other candidate if the press cannot report on them in a meaningful way. This is either a disturbing lack of thought, or an attempt to run any story on Perry because the backoffice thinks many people will read it.
Liberals are afraid of Perry. This coupled with the failed Obama administration really has them in full attack mode. The attacks are fll of hate, bitter and ugly comments, Sprinkled with mis-inormation and exagerations. That is the liberal way.
LOL! Ever notice how when someone holds a Republican candidate accountable for what they said, conservatives use the standard come-back of "they're afraid of (insert Republican candidate's name.)
We're no more "afraid" of Rick Perry (or Sarah Palin, or Michelle Bachman, etc. etc.) than we are of a marshmallow........
You don't see the whole picture... Independents who are looking for a moderate from either party who is willing to compromise are afraid of Perry. He is waaaay too far right and is using his experience as Governor of Texas as his resume. The state of Texas with it's lack of high paying jobs and lack of medical coverage should NOT be the model for anyone. I don't hate any of the candidates, I just want someone who is in the middle and who wants to work with the "loyal opposition" to move AMERICA forward... not his/her party or agenda.
If that is true why the infatuation with everything Perry? Perry wouldn't matter. Liberals are going to be afraid of any Republican candidate, you prove it over and over. Obama has a 38% approval rating. Color that anyway you want. Americans have figured out this "all talk" Presdent. It won't change the fact that Obama is in trouble and that is all you have; hateful, bitter and ugly comments pointed at his "maybe" opponents.
Uh-oh Tony. You used the word color in your post. Now you'll have all the lefties on here screaming about you being racist. Never mind the word color was used in another form. You don't like Obama and you used the work "color." You must be racist!
You're right on the 38% approval of President Obama Tony. But what you failed to mention is the tea people GOP republicans are at 11% approval. So by your own standard the tea people GOP republicans are in more trouble than President Obama.
BTW: there is no candidate on your side to be afraid of. We Democrats are cheering for all of them to win the tea people GOP republican primary.
Keep cheering. The Presidental election will be decided by voters who vote for President. The Congressman who run will be elected by voters who vote their choice for those seats. Apples and Oranges. You can deflect Obama's low approval rating all you like, it won't change anything. Obama is using the same strategy, that is all he has as well. The entire Congress is a problem, both parties.
The election will be decided on who has the best plan for America Tony. And with an 11% approval the American people don't think the tea people GOP republicans have the best plan.
BTW: congress will turn over again to the Democrats in 2012 with that approval rating.
Kthorne, the disparty between what Rick Perry was when he wrote the letter 18 years ago, and what he is now is note worthy. We need Rick Perry as president like we need W.W.III.
Tony: why the 'fascination' with Rick Perry?? Is the man running for President or is he not? What a ridiculous question.
To be fair, he was a democrat back then. He has naturally changed his mind, as he does whenever it's convenient to help him get elected.
Kinda like Obama eh?
Obama was once a Republican??? When?????
Perry use to be a democrat and I did also before I went to the Republican Party .Perry has got my vote in 2012 but any body would be better than Obama.
We know. We Know. You'd even vote for Hitler instead of O. Now there's a fellow who knew how to get things done ... lol
Bama- I live in TX., and we have been trying to get rid of this village idiot(Perry) for yrs., but, his rich buddies still need him to make sure they get their share of TX. money! Obama is way better than Perry ad for that matter, any Rep. that is running!
OBAMA in 2012!
I used to be a Republican before I became an Independent. The ONLY Republican candidate I'd consider voting for is Huntsman but he stands no chance to win the nomination because he's not radical. I see 2012 a replay of the Angle, O'Donnell or Joe Miller elections, only at a national level. Obama wins by default.
Where oh where is Slick Rick now?
North and West Texas are ablaze, homes destroyed.....Texas needs him to whine and moan about needing federal help to fight the tragic wildfires...then change his mind about making Washington Inconsequential!
Possum Kingdom Lake?
The LAST thing this country needs is another arroagant, wanna-be cowboy from Texas for governor. We recently had 8 years of THAT mess, and look where it got us??
Come on Bama, you never were a Democrat. It's just another one of those tea people GOP republicans saying well I was a Democrat before I was a tea people GOP republican. You guys make more stuff up than anybody in the world.
Bama, I live in Texas which I am guessing you do not. Before you commit to Perry you might want to read more than the headlines. Looks good on paper, but living it for the last 7 years has been less than desirable.
I wonder what Perry would say if Obama issued an executive order resending DOMA? No, he's not enforcing it, but the laws still on the books and that's a whole different discussion. Wouldn't an executive order be "Presidential activism"? I forgot, it's only activism when you disagree with the results.
Guardian, you want tort reform? I urge you to watch the documentary "Hot Cofffee", and see what comes from overzealous, generalized tort reform.
I live in Texas and let me tell you Perry's reputation for crooked dealing is a well documented fact. So well documented that he and his cronies just struck down or changed the State laws they didn't like. Now what used to be considered dirty dealing is simply done out in the open with no apologizes, the general consensus in Texas is that's just how it is in Texas. "You gotta pay to get your way" no one here is shocked, for the most part it is accepted, it's business as usual.
Perry was for Hillary care before he was against Obama care and agaist Obamney care. Perry was not a dumb hick. If he was, he would never have wriiten the letter inthe first place-we are assuming here he does knw how to write and read-which there had been doubt on in Texas politcal circles.
This recently discorved letter fits in with Perry's record of mandating teatments to teenagers by executive order,and show that he is really even more radical than even Hillary-because this was done by executive order with no hearing and no debate. Hillarycare by contrast died after committe hearings and debate-whe theDecratic process had its way. Perrycare, sustained by excutive order was the epitomy of arragance opf power and the same level as Bill Frist's long distance diagnosis of Terry shavio-and really worse than that,because no diagnois was ever needed or given-no lab tests or anything at all.
That's really long distatance medicine. This amounts really to practicing medicne without a license.
That's Perrycare-no diagoses, no lab tests, no debate, no input-mandatory treatment-and mandatory taxation too.
At least Terry Shavio got a diagnosis-the teens in Texas ,never did.
I think though from the above example, that you may lack in writing skills. Might throw in comprehension too.
What??
Proof Perry is just another repubicant saying what ever he thinks will benefit his career not giving a dam about the American people!
When did "care" become such an ugly word? I happen to like caring. It's one of the things that makes me feel most human...
They'd rather have a dumass spewing hatred than someone who "cares". It just sounds too .. er.. liberal....lol
Wow haggis....how refreshing, yet somehow sad at the same time, to hear an honest view from a Conservative. You've pretty much summed up the reason why I stopped voting Republican. To those people, it's "every man, woman and child for themselves", no matter what their social, economic, even physical situation is.
Just a quick question....do you open doors for little old ladies or are you the kind of person who'd take candy from a baby??
ChefMaddog...I totally agree that the conservatives seem to come off as being unfeeling, uncaring, even anti-social "beings" (notice I left the word "human" out). It is the caring of your fellow man that makes you "human", in my opinion.
it was a joke dude. If you read my posts, you'll see I'm one of the hated libtards (no joke)
My bad!! I did go back and read some of your posts. My apologies to you!
And, liberals are only hated because the neo-cons have no common-sense solutions and the libs do!
The surprise should not be that Perry said what he did or wrote what he did since it was of direct benefit to him also. The amazement should be that these politicians seem to think they are all John Cena of the WWE running around thinking "You can't see me."
Kthorne, the "media" has no chance of defaming Perry. He growing popularity is the result of him being the only candidate seeking the Republican nomination that will literally tell conservatives what they want to hear. The rest of the field hint at or talk around an issue. Perry will sample the uber-rightwing position and both adopt and espouse that setting ~ ~ ~ until it changes and Perry will then "adapt." Of course, its understandable that his popularity is rising among rightwingers. Have you seen and listened to the others in the race? Pathetic.
We of the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY endorse your opinion and that of your candidate Perry
Do you have any proof that the Flat Earth Society has endorsed a candidate yet?
FAntastic, telling the people what they want to hear. I don't give a monkey's about what R. Perry said 20 years ago. However, I do not support Mr. Perry's political position. I do not believe he embodies the qualities for office of the President of the United STates. Furthermore, I do not care about his resume' running Texas. I see many flaws in all that is Texas i.e. employment opportunities, stimulus money rejected/accepted. A bit hypocritical and a bit sleazy in the "feel" of it all. I am not prepared for 4 years of Texas know how. I had 8 years of total destruction of the US. I completely expect it will take 4 to 8 more years to recover. I do not expect quick fixes, easy answers, or God forbid, telling me what "I want to hear" as though that is the answer. I do not want to be preached to, entry into my bedroom, a two tiered society, a continuance of a disgrace of a healthcare system that doesn't work. Mr. Perry represents all of the above. The President is far from perfect but the alternative is too scary to fathom.
"Got some splainin to do"...how do you figure that? Sounds like he was trying to express concerns about the citizens he served and knew best. What a concept for an elected official! I think the Dems are running scared. If this is the best trash they can dig up on Perry they better throw in the towel. To dig up a letter that never endorsed anything as proof of his hypocrisy is the height of stupidity. I think the American people are smarter than that.
I'm with you Nancy. At least Perry has done something in his career to warrant an objective look, and what did Obama do before becoming President (other that voting Present in the Senate)? - Hmmm let me think - Zzzzzzz.
Actually Nancy, we are on totally different sides politically but you are totally right. It sounded like Perry back in the early 90's was doing what a politician should: Looking after his constituents. Regardless if you are on the left or the right, I find it hard to criticize anyone for writing a letter saying "Good luck with tackling healthcare, and look after this group if you can etc...".
I'll also add that changing your mind from a position nearly 20 years ago isn't really flip flopping in my book...to me it's personal growth. Someone like McCain who changes his mind year to year, and denies now he ever said he was a "Maverick" is a better example of a flip flopper.
so what<<<perry is right < it does need reform! but obama 's forced change is unconstitutional and benefits the insurance industry the most!
Why did Republicans not join the debate when it was happening then?
Who really cares what he said 20 years ago - I'm concerned with what he is saying now. He was birthed out of the Tea Party womb and that is all I need. He is a hypocrite that took money from the stimulus yet slams Obama for it and takes credit for all the jobs he created (government jobs).
He takes religion into the political arena where it should not be. I am so amazed at the Republican candidates - they are scary at best.
Perry is like all politicians, he talks out of both sides of his mouth. If he doesn't do any better then the guy he is compared to every day, Mr. Bush, we don't need him in any way shape or form.
people will vote for anyone but obumer. he has increased the deficit like no other. unemployment is near 12-14 % because many people's unemployment has expired. foreclosues are increasing daily. food and energy are up nearly 20%. i asked my broker how i should invest what little money i have left. i asked him should i invest in gold, silver, stocks or bonds. he told me if the current president is re-elected in 2012 maybe i should think about canned goods and bottled water.
NO you will vote for anyone but Obama, H.A. Where are all the jobs Beohner promised? As to whether Obama wins the presidency or not that is up to everybody not just you. Why can't you spell his name properly? Your post makes me think you are a bigot.