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Subscribe to RSSMINNEAPOLIS, Minn. -- In a speech before the American Legion, President Obama laid the framework for his message on foreign policy as he runs for reelection. While praising the military, he touted accomplishments during his administration, including killing Osama bin Laden, ousting Moammar Khaddafy, ending the war in Iraq, and drawing down in Afghanistan.
He said current U.S. forces “have earned their place among the greatest of generations.” And he praised its accomplishments under the Bush administration, including “toppling the Taliban in just weeks,” “driving al Qaeda from the training camps where they plotted 9/11,” “giving the Afghan people the opportunity to live free from terror,” as well as ousting Saddam Hussein “in less than a month.”
But he also noted, “When a resurgent Taliban threatened to give al Qaeda more space to plot against us, the additional forces I ordered to Afghanistan went on the offensive—taking the fight to the Taliban, pushing them out of their safe havens, allowing Afghans to reclaim their communities and training Afghan forces. And a few months ago, our troops achieved our greatest victory yet in the fight against those who attacked us on 9/11—delivering justice to Osama bin Laden in one of the greatest intelligence and military operations in American history.”
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney also spoke on foreign policy at the VFW convention in San Antonio and criticized the president, whom he charged addresses “the world with an apology on his lips and doubt in his heart.”
Obama instead said the U.S. is “moving forward from a position of strength,” thanks to U.S. soldiers. And “America’s military is the best that it’s ever been.”
Romney said of Obama’s leadership on Libya: "Our involvement in Libya was marked by inadequate clarity of purpose before we began the mission, mission muddle during the operation, and ongoing confusion as to our role in the future.”
But Obama praised the role of the U.S. military there: “We saw that most recently in the skill and precision of our brave forces who helped the Libyan people finally break free from the grip of Moammar Khaddafy.”
Obama also promised again that he will “remove the rest of our troops [from Iraq] by the end of this year and end that war.” And on Afghanistan, he promised that “we’ll bring home 33,000 troops by next summer and bring home more troops in the coming years. “ He added that the mission there is transitioning “from combat to support” and that “Afghans will take responsibility for their own security.”
He also assured the assembled group of veterans that even with “hard fiscal choices” ahead, he would strive to make sure the U.S. military continues to be “the best-trained, the best-led, the best-equipped fighting force in history.”
He called upholding “trust” with veterans a “moral obligation” for his administration. “That’s why my very first budget included the largest percentage increase to the VA budget in the past 30 years,” he said.
During the speech he, once again, called for an end to “gridlock in Washington “so as to speed up job creation and repeated that he would speak to the nation about a jobs plan sometime next week.
The president’s remarks moved beyond economic generalities when he called upon Congress to pass two initiatives that the White House has designed to help returning veterans find jobs. The “Returning Heroes Tax Credit” would benefit companies that hire unemployed veterans and another tax credit would aide companies that hire disabled veterans.
“When Congress returns from recess, this needs to be at the top of their agenda,” he said. “For the sake of our veterans, for the sake of our economy, we need these veterans working and contributing and creating the new jobs and industries that will keep America competitive in the 21st Century.”
When acknowledging the upcoming 10th anniversary of Sept. 11th, he asked for those who’ve served in Afghanistan and Iraq to stand and promised to end the Iraq war by the close of 2011.
And the president received his largest reaction, from a fairly calm crowd, when he spoke of sending condolence letters to the families of service members who’ve committed suicide.
“The days when depression and PTSD were stigmatized, those days must end,” Obama said. “That's why I made the decision to start sending condolence letters to the families of service members who take their lives while deployed in a combat zone. These Americans did not die because they were weak. They were warriors.”
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I heard the President's speech & thought it was EXCELLENT!
Of course, he could of walked on water while spitting quarters and the Obama haters will still find something to b!tch about!
This President has accomplished MORE in 2 1/2 years then the previous administration did in 8 - NO MATTER what the 'Dick' is claiming credit for...
Amen to that Feisty. President Obama saved our country from another great depression.
Fiesty, you gotta love a President who does not thump his chest about his accomplishment. He just TCB's.
Back in March, many neoconservatives in Washington were extremely dismissive of the way President Obama was handling the intervention in Libya. They argued that he was doing too little and acting too late – that his approach was too multilateral and lacked cohesiveness. They continuously criticized President Obama for, in the words of an anonymous White House advisor, “leading from behind.”
But now that these critics are confronted with the success of the Libya operation, they are changing their tune and claiming paternity of the operation. They are further arguing that if their advice had been heeded, the intervention in Libya would have been swifter and even more successful. But the Libya intervention is so significant precisely because it did not follow the traditional pattern of U.S.-led interventions. Indeed, it launched a new era in U.S. foreign policy.
…. It is important to emphasize that even though it was a “supporting role,” the U.S. was indispensable to the operation. Nobody else could have eliminated Gadhafi’s air defenses – and, effectively, his air force – within three days. Without America, the operation in Libya could not have taken place. But the U.S. was also “supporting” in the sense that after these initial strikes, it moved into the background and asked its NATO partners to do the heavy lifting. Thereafter, the U.S. intervened only when it felt it needed to. All of this suggests a very different model for intervention, which I believe is a vast improvement over the old, expansive and expensive model.
… The question before Libya was: Could such interventions be successful while keeping costs under control – both human and financial.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/23/a-new-era-in-u-s-foreign-policy/?hpt=hp_c1
You sure can't say that about the flag waving Republicans taking care if business and that heartless, sociopath, Cheney.
But Feisty, he can't walk on water or spit quarters or even figure out how to govern.
So I guess we'll never really know how we'd feel about your imaginary goals.
As for the real ones, like governing, yeah, he sucks.
Uh, yeah, so while foreign policy is important, I thought he had pivoted to jobs.
My understanding was that after the credit downgrade he had focused like a laser beam on jobs. In fact he's been working super hard these last few weeks on nothing but jobs.
So what's with this speech? Why delay his super important jobs speech? Has unemployment "unexpectedly" gone down? Is consumer confidence up? How about durable goods or real estate - it all looking so good he can focus of something other than the economy?
It's like the earlier article pointed out - they are so tone deaf they didn't see the backlash coming after the debt talks,
Focused like a pivoting laser beam.
I thought he had pivoted to jobs
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And, for the seventh or eighth time since 2009.
"Focused like a pivoting laser beam." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard the President's speech & thought it was EXCELLENT!
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Nasty, you would snuggle your left ear up to Barry's butthole to hear him fart, and you would think it was " EXCELLENT!"
(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama, in an Aug. 29, 2010 interview with NBC’s Brian Williams, said he would propose a plan for jobs and economic growth when he returned from his summer vacation, the same claim he made after returning from his vacation this year.
Yes 2010. One year ago.
Laser focused. Like a puppy on a leash.
Maybe the timing has something to do with Congress being on vacation until next week?
Spanky-
Uh, yeah, so while foreign policy is important, I thought he had pivoted to jobs.
Spanky
The key words there are "I thought". Just like you thought the stimulus didn't work. You never got back to me on that.
What happened did the cat get your tongue since you could not disprove it?
I have a question. Have you eaten your peas?
I'm sure that Obama didn't mean to leave Mittless looking the fool today.
From an earlier thread dedicated to my good buddies Drive By and Americans First:
Let's see, all conservatives are stupid and god knows lowering taxes is a conservative cornerstone, so in your silly little world must be stupid as well. Right Job 1? You love keeping taxes as low as possible for the rich, right?
Yet Obama chose to keep the lower tax rates last December. If he did nothing the old rates would have expired by operation of law, and the old Clinton rates would have taken effect.
But Obama, a libbie like y'all took action - he signed the new rates into law [that's right gang, Bush had already been out of office for two long years]. Now he's about to continue payroll holidays and in fact expand them to the employer side as well. This is a huge win for the self-employed.
So Obama must be a stupid conservative, right gang?
How bad does it suck for you, and how much does it hurt that your own leader, he for whom you all root so hard for, ignores you. In fact he does the opposite of what you want as nearly every turn.
But we are the stupid ones? Uh, ok, cause it can't be about power. Despite having 2/3 of gov, including the WH you self admit to being at the mercy and in the dominion of just 60 silly freshman house members.
How come if we conservatives are so darn stupid Obama is doing most of our bidding?
Low taxes, war mongering, renditioning, Gitmo, tax breaks, corporate subsidies.
Oh my, no wonder you all are so pissy.
Hip wader time!
Barry does seem to have a real sense of timing with his "big new jobs program". He's scheduled to reveal it right after Labor Day and the August jobs report is scheduled for the Friday before Labor Day. No one expects the jobs report to contain any good news, so Barry will be right there with all those great ideas to create new jobs just at the right moment. "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!!, his name is Keynes"
"Excellent" was my first thought too about the president's foreign policy speech. Maybe...if enough conservatives get on board with spending cuts = end of the wars, we can make progress with that as well.
I'm thinking wet-suit! ;o)
How did we go from a thread about veterans & foreign policy to everything but?
deja-vu all over again...Yogi Berra
You tell me. You put up a post on the imaginary Karl Rove political tactics book under a thread about Hurricane Irene.
What's up Bev.?
The stimulus failed, hence the need for another one.
Tell you what - you tell me, in your own words what the purpose and intent of the stimulus was?
Then tell me what the purpose and intent of a new stimulus would be.
Now, how are they different? If they are not different [and let me give you a hint: the purpose is to "kick start" the economy] then they must be intended to do the same thing, which means the first one didn't do the trick.
Cause Bev. One you jump start you car, it is running and you can put away the jumper cables.
Bev. dear. the car ain't running. Or perhaps you have not seen the newly revised GDP numbers?
Spanky, you've read way too much Karl Rove. You're irrelevant as is your nastiness. Your comments really have no place in a public forum along with the likes of the man from Albany who thinks insults and name calling are somehow relevant to discourse. Be proud, you two are really poster children for the stereotype ignorant republican. Are either of you even old enough to drive a car? You certainly do not display enough maturity to be loose in public.
"Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!!, his name is Keynes"
Hey Joe, that was funny!
White Collar Auto
But Feisty, he can't walk on water or spit quarters
White Collar Auto,
That's not true. You nuts have said he could walk on water or spit quarters. You think he is the Messiah. Now you get agitated when proves it. Will you people make up your hateful minds. Nevermind, you are all dizzy from the spin. (pun intended) You can't
Fox News: Earthquake In D.C. Obama’s Fault
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=5260
But bet the farm we WILL NOT "deja-vu" back to 2001! NEVER!
We will keep going like we are and work out of that mess....
Spanky -
I don't think any one here is going to counter your indolent questions.
You do much better as a caustic humorist.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL,
Because the GOPTards know that if they had to stick to the topic, they'd eventually have to admit that Obama's foreign policy measures make their heroes Bush and Cheney look like the amateurs that they were.
That's a tough pill to have to swallow. They'd rather divert, distract, and then attempt to discredit on subjects that clearly have nothing to do with the topic, and they obviously know nothing about.
Its all in the GOPTard "social media and liberal blogosphere attack manual". LOL
We will see more of an evolving U.S. foreign policy, as Fareed Zakaria wrote recently. The President did a masterful job in Libya, keeping the U.S. out of the forefront in a region where American presence is a very touchy subject. The President has worked tirelessly to restore America's reputation after the Bush Regime trashed it all around the world, Cheney's alternate reality notwithstanding.
While this particular occasion, appropriately, had a strong focus on military aspects, the President's work with other global leaders on economic issues, human rights matters, disaster relief, trade, and much more has been vigorous. Romeny's ridiculous attacks only served to put a great international and national leader in bright contrast.
Oh Bev. Poor, poor Bev.
News Corpse. Really?You and Feisty are awfully desperate today.
Is this the same place you all found the Rove Manifesto?
Golly Bev, I keep rooting for you to say something, anything that can't be ridiculed.
I guess it's just not in the cards. But who knows, there is always tomorrow.
You BETCHA Alan!
I see you found yourself a copy! ;o)
Enlightening - don't you agree?
Spanky-,
Really? Not according to Factcheck:
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/08/spinning-the-stimulus/
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/gop_stimulus_myths.html
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_the_stimulus_bill_include_a_52.html
So uh..... no. It didn't fail.
You did. And I'm sure you will again LOL
Definitely, Feisty.
Of course no one will Richard. No one can.
Besides it's the libbie way - ignore what you don't like. There is a reason why the unemployment and economic numbers are always "unexpectedly" bad.
But let's face it the old gal is spot on:
This President has accomplished MORE in 2 1/2 years then the previous administration did in 8 - NO MATTER what the 'Dick' is claiming credit for...
Unemployment at 9.1%
Increased debt by $5 Trillion
Was the boss when the USof A got downgraded.
In fact I'd have to say his accomplishments are "unprecedented."
How about you Richard, you impressed with his accomplishments thus far?
Me, I'm just waiting for him to make it all better by advocating more government spending. Cause that's the answer - more government spending.
So President Obama made a speech. I understand it went something like this:
Uhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, let me make this perfectly clear, uuuuhhhhhh er, ahhhhhh, ummmmmm. It's not my fault.... Bush did it... Uhhhhh ahhhhhh er ummmmmmm
So what is different about this speech than any other he's made?
From the Somalia pirates to bin Laden to Libya, President Obama and progressives have shown once again the right way to do it. Hopefully the Bush Doctrine of preemptive, unilateral strike is gone along with Dick Cheney who wanted to attack Syria.
If the US tells other first-world or oil rich countries to put some of their GDP skin in the game, the military industrial complex Haliburton Hawks will complain (how will they get their blood money, how will they control oil, how will they distract or fear-monger?).
Aside from the historical Arab Spring, foreign policy is domestic economic policy for the US. I say close some of our military bases overseas and build them here--creating economies for OUR people. (Heck, put one in Lake Havasu if it will help). And by all means, require spending cuts to off-set these expenses--certainly before you deny disaster assistance to OUR people.
And if it's not unecessary wars of attrition, or torture, etc. the new Teapublican foreign policy is even more disturbing. It's based on the End Times or the “Seven Mountains mandate”, which instructs “Bible believing” Christians to seek control of seven key sectors of society: education, government, media, business, arts & entertainment, religion, and the family.
Crazy how Evangelicals dislike Mormons, yet Mormons like Romney, Hunstman, worse Jeff Flake in Arizona are all about the Last Days and key sectors of society most notably the court system. Thankfully they're so bigoted they can't even stand each other. But let's us pray none will ever have access to "the button," Lord have mercy.
Sorry Alon O. spin away. Fact check is terrific, but I prefer to listen to Obama.
You remember it was he would said if we DON'T do it unemployment would rise above 8.5%. That's his own number Alan, not spin, but an objective, real measure.
And sorry, but even us dumb conservative know once you jump start the old Impala, you can put away the jumper cables. In the end it failed. We know it failed cause GDP is almost ZERO.
Or is this a problem with your understanding of the word "succeed?"
"Now, how are they different? If they are not different [and let me give you a hint: the purpose is to "kick start" the economy] then they must be intended to do the same thing, which means the first one didn't do the trick.
Cause Bev. One you jump start you car, it is running and you can put away the jumper cables."
Using this same logic, since tax cuts for the wealthy have created NO jobs and gotten us into this mess, Omama really SHOULD have refused to extend them. (the unelployment extension battle at the time having nothing to do whith what went down, of course...). Well, when he refuses to extend them again, you will be cheering him on for once, then?
Neat, 'counsleor'- keep 'em coming..
Brianb
I'd rather have president who concentrates on what he is saying instead of one who giggles like a monkey and scrathes his head through out a speech; because he lost the earpiece, the man without a real heart, Cheney gave him.
Has everone here gone insane, back and forth back and forth, except Spanky, we all know were he stands, the stink has rotted his brain. Nothing will be resolved if everyone just keep spewing political crap to get votes. How about some ideas instead of, can't work, won't work, been done before, none of his ideas have worked, none of your ideas have worked. How about trying some of these ideas before we say NO! it can not work or won't work. We know tax cuts do not create jobs, giving more money to the rich does not create jobs. You want to stimulate the economy give me the money and I will buy American made products in volume, but people back in homes and off the street, feed our starving, put the money directly back into the economy by putting in the hands of those that need it most just to live. Now it is your turn to come up with an idea, I am not saying mine is best or will work but it is an idea.
"Me, I'm just waiting for him to make it all better by advocating more government spending. Cause that's the answer - more government spending."
Finnaly- the low-wattage bulb comes on, dimly at first, then remaining expectedly dim, as others give much deserved kudos to the 'counsleor'..
Neat.
Alan O -- We're with ya about FactCheck, but conservatives have a "chicken and the egg" problem. When one gets his/her information from viral Emails that spread lies about Snopes, for example, how can one ever learn what a credible source is in the first place?
"How about you Richard, you impressed with his accomplishments thus far?"
Yes, Spanky, I am. Especially considering what he has been up against in the form of extreme GOP obstructionist tactics that he has had to endure.
You are somewhat aware of how those tactics have been employed, aren't you?
I'm betting on Nobel II, another term, and a top 5 legacy.
Too bad even Obama know he can't get the votes for that.
Why is that you figure DBO?
Maybe a WPO, but this time no shovels. No, that'd be too efficient. This time they use spoons.
Brilliant DBO.
Now there's a bet I'd take Richard.
Continued the Bush timetable getting out of Iraq = B for not messing it up.
Killed Osama based on Bush intelligence = C for showing up for class.
Escalation of Afghan war but leaving before the job is done = D typical liberal pulling out too soon ;)
On Khaddafy = F for fighting along side with Iran and helping increase their sphere of influence.
Egypt = D for pretty speech but no apparent leadership or action.
Syria = obambie is taking this one pass / fail....
Iran = F for making friends with tyrants.
North Korea = F for not showing up for class.
Overall grade point average...D...for a leaderless, wavering and ineffective foreign policy.
And do you also "prefer to listen" to Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and Norquist, etc. Spank?
Well, does this sound even remotely familiar, "We got 98 % of what we wanted..."????????
Come on... you are spinning (and not just RNC talking points, but also your wheels.) Grabbing at straws to dis our President does not become you....
Good for you Bev. I'm very happy for you in your bliss. It's bliss that causes you to miss the really important stuff he's failing at. He's always been good at speaking... in fact, that's his only attribute. It's what he says that matters... you know those points you totally miss because as you sit in front of your TV, tears streaming down your face in awe, you totally lose all sense of reality. As he articulates those perfect statements of obfuscation, you just happen to believe every word that comes out of his mouth. Even though he has said them time and time again, and things never change for the better, you just merrily listen as if you've never heard those words before. I understand it's a joyeous day for you when the master opens his mouth.
I wouldn't confuse concentration with reading off of a teleprompter. See how he fools you?
Spanky-,
And now for:
I guess English is a tough language for you to master:
And had every subsequent measure to support it hadn't been blocked or kept from the House floor, it would have been much more effective.
Tis the Season,
That's the very question millions will be asking starting next week, right up until to 2012 election. And the GOP finally suicides itself for a century.
TruePatriot-445959,
Here's a pretty cool collection of "accomplishments" by the GOPTards since the 2010 elections:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/03/08/things-the-republican-congress-has-done-instead-of-creating-jobs/
Enjoy
And this one REALLY burns their GOPTard @sses:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/08/obamas-2009-stimulus-is-still-boosting-jobs/1
Nice try Alan - but they have been running the whole "I'd be a totally awesome president if I didn't have any opposition" meme for a while now. It's just now working.
Mainly because every presidient has had to deal with opposition. Reagan, Bushes, and Clinton all did.
Boil it down for my Alan - if the stimulus was a success, why do we need another?
Spanky
If I only give you 50.00 how much of your time will I get. Will I get my monies worth or be left with only part of an answer. No the stimulus was not a large success because it was not large enough to be a large success, but it did save jobs maybe even yours. OK maybe not, the stimulus was not large enought to pay your ass off.
I think someone pointed out here today, that 65% of the stimulus package went towards extending unemployment benefits.
So, Spanky, "why do we need another?"
Because it is necessary, and the prudent thing to do.
And, IMHO, needs to be in the 2 trillion range.
Spanky-,
Lets ask Krugman:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/how-did-we-know-the-stimulus-was-too-small/
and Galbraith:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/09/is-stimulus-too-small_n_165076.html
and Clinton:
http://www.frumforum.com/bill-clinton-stimulus-was-too-small
and Summers:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/07/summers-why-the-stimulus-package-was-too-small.html
and DeLong:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704055104574652314270243466.html
Getting the common theme yet? Keywords: too,small
Need anything else there Einstein?
Total side point, but I enjoy the back & forth to much to not notice, Is No Jo, No Bo, NJ okay after the Hurricane ?
Has anyone heard from him/her ?
While I don't always agree with the opinions expressed, I would never want anyone to be hurt.
Thanks for spotting that, dirp.
Hopefully, just a power outage, and he/she will return to full glory soon.
Yeah, I just noticed that some of other friends from the east coast have not been on this week.
I have not seen comments from Madison in NY or a few of the others.
They may have some caustic remarks, but I still hope they are OK.
The reason this subject seems so boring is that the President has, for the most part, taken care of all this stuff. This is NOT his weak spot, by any means.
Hobie81 - I don't know what rock you've been living under, but you need to get out more.
Alan O -- Thanks for the link. In her first term, Pelosi passed 304 pieces of legislation, much of which was quite significant. I think Boehner is around 14 bills in comparison. The two weeks of work with one week off might be part of the problem, but mostly a "strategery" of saying NO instead of offering your own solution is the reason for such a pitiful record.
Republicans are good at one thing--messaging to low-information voters. They have shown they are inept at everything--they are the tax and spend Party, they are the weak national security Party, they are the failed voodoo economics Party. But try get truth through the FOX Noise/Hate Radio filter...very difficult.
Republicans are idiots, TruePatriot.
And soooooo easy to shut down when you know how.
They like to talk loud, fast and non-stop in their attempts to gain the high ground in a debate situation. And you simply need to just come right out and tell them to STFU. It throws them into a state of confusion that generally lasts about 30 seconds as they fight with themselves for the best way to regain control, with which you have ample opportunity to call out most of their illiteracy, inaccuracy, and flat out lies.
At this point, they're utterly stupefied, and stammering for their next talking point, which will always be on a completely irrelevant subject. At this point, you just immediately interrupt them, tell them to stop avoiding the original subject. They again enter their previously induced state of utter confusion, allowing you to hammer at their lies and hypocrisy even more.
Or, if you're not a generally confrontational person, you can screw them up with any one of these comments:
1. A Socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.
2. Jesus healed the sick and helped the poor, for free.
3. Joseph McCarthy was an un-American, witch hunting sissy.
4. Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee were traitors.
5. The South lost the Civil War, get over it.
6. The Founding Fathers were liberals.
7. Fascism is a right-wing trait.
8. Sarah Palin is an ugly cow (said to conservative males).
9. The Earth is round.
10. Reagan raised taxes eleven times as President.
11. Reagan legalized abortion as Governor of California.
12. Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency.
13. Ronald Reagan supported gun control.
14. Global warming is real.
15. Republicans hate illegal immigrants, unless they need their lawns mowed or their houses cleaned.
16. The military is a government-run institution, so why do Republicans approve the defense budget?
17. The Cold War is over and the Soviet Union no longer exists.
18. Paying taxes is patriotic.
19. Republicans: Peddling the same failed economic policies since 1880.
20. The Republican Party began as a liberal party.
21. The Presidents’ full name is Barack Hussein Obama and he was born in the United States of America.
22. George W. Bush held hands with the King of Saudi Arabia.
23. President Obama saved the American auto industry, while Republicans wanted to destroy it.
24. Hate is not a Christian virtue.
25. Jesus was a liberal.
26. Republicans spend MORE money than Democrats.
27. Tea parties are for little girls.
28. Public schools educate all children; private schools are for indoctrinating children.
29. The Constitution is the law, NOT the Bible.
30. Sharia law doesn’t exist in America.
31. The President is NOT a Muslim.
32. Corporations are NOT people. People are people.
33. Fox News isn’t real news, it’s just a racist, sexist, hateful, right-wing propaganda machine.
34. The Federal Reserve was a Republican idea.
35. Women are equal citizens who deserve equal rights.
36. Women control their own bodies.
37. Abortion is a relevant medical procedure, just ask Rick Santorum.
38. Please use spell check.
39. It’s “pundit”, not “pundint”.
40. Social Security is solvent through 2038.
41. Health care is a right, not a product.
42. Roe v. Wade was a bipartisan ruling made by a conservative leaning Supreme Court.
43. G.O.P also stands for Gross Old Perverts.
44. The donkey shouldn’t be the Democratic mascot because Republicans are the real jackasses.
45. Barack Obama ordered the killing of Osama Bin Laden. It took him two and half years to do what Bush couldn’t do in eight.
46. Waterboarding IS torture.
47. 9/11 happened on George W. Bush’s watch, therefore he did NOT keep America safe.
48. Republicans invaded Iraq for oil, so Iraq should be allowed to invade Texas to get it back.
49. Separation of church and state is in the Constitution, it’s called the First Amendment.
50. Muslims are protected by the Constitution, just as much as Christians.
51. Barack Obama is the first African-American President, get over it.
52. The Oval Office is NOT a “whites only” office.
53. America is a nation of immigrants, therefore we are all anchor babies.
54. The white race isn’t disappearing, it’s evolving.
55. God is a particle.
56. Evolution is real.
57. The Earth is 4.54 billion years old, not 6,000.
58. The Founding Fathers did not free the slaves.
59. The Revolution was NOT fought over slavery.
60. Paul Revere warned the Americans, NOT the British.
61. Federal law trumps state law.
62. The Civil War was about slavery, NOT state’s rights.
63. Corporations care more about profits than they do about people.
64. Getting out of a recession requires government spending.
65. Glenn Beck is a nut-job.
66. Republicans: Paranoid since 1932.
67. Republicans don’t want to pay for your birth control, but they want you to pay for their Viagra.
68. Republicans actually NEED Viagra.
69. Fox News is owned by an Australian and has a Saudi prince as an investor.
70. Republicans complain about immigrants taking American jobs, then freely give American jobs to foreigners overseas.
71. Republicans hate communism, so why do they refer to themselves as red states?
72. Labor unions built this country.
73. Republicans hold America hostage as a political strategy; the temper tantrum throwing kind of political strategy.
74. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.
75. When Republicans see black, they attack.
76. Inside every Republican is a Klansman or a Nazi waiting to bloom.
77. Republicans only care about children BEFORE they are born.
78. Republicans are hypocrites, they’re just too stupid to know it.
79. The Christian-Right boycotts movies that have violence, and then promotes guns and insurrection.
80. I think therefore I am NOT a Republican.
81. Republicans that oppose gay marriage are most likely in the closet themselves.
82. Churches should stay out of politics, or be taxed.
83. People are too poor to vote Republican.
84. Democrats think for themselves, Republicans form think tanks to do it for them.
85. Republicans hate education because they couldn’t hack it in school.
86. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins and Republicans wallow in it.
87. A little socialism on the Left is better than a little fascism on the Right.
88. The current corporate tax rate is the lowest in 60 years, so stop whining about it being too high.
89. Republicans: Anti-Gay Marriage, Pro-Lesbian sex.
90. Republicans: Terrorizing the American people since 1981.
91. Republicans have their own terrorists, just look up Timothy McVeigh.
92. Republicans love outsourcing, just ask the Chinese Communists.
93. The Republican answer to the oil spill was to apologize to BP, a foreign oil company.
94. Democrats will be working hard to bring jobs to Americans, while the Republicans tea bag each other in the middle of the aisles.
95. Voter disenfranchisement is immoral and un-American, that’s why Republicans do it.
96. Republicans would let your house burn down unless you pay them to put it out.
97. Democrats want to take care of the sick. Republicans take their credit cards and then deny them medical attention.
98. Republicans say teachers are union thugs, then proceed to rape and mug the entire middle class on behalf of corporations.
99. Republicans think rape isn’t a crime, but miscarriages are.
100. Republicans are idiots and arguing with them is a waste of time!
Try it sometime. I think you'll be quite pleased with the results LOL
Of course, Obama could have fallen over drunk (like his half uncle) and Feisty would have thought it was EXCELLENT!
Would that be the uncle who the President saw once when he was a child you're referring to? lol
The poor right wing nut jobs are certainly desperate these days... guess that's what happens when the current crop of Tealiban contenders resembles a FREAK show!
How is that Alinsky playbook working for you Fiesty? Have you come up with any non personal attack opinion posts on your own yet you can show me? How is our own state of Illinois doing as your guinea pig for good high tax, high government regulatory environment doing? How were those tax breaks given to Sears and Cat doing to keep them from fleeing the state? Come on Fiesty give us some of your critical thinking skills?
Bob-1887910
Of course, Obama could have fallen over drunk (like his half uncle) and Feisty would have thought it was EXCELLENT!
And of course the President's drunk uncle is the President; right Booby trap?
You're crazy!
Do you know Georgie boy did cocaine and booze and got ticketed not to mention his wife, Laura killed a person with her car.
How 'bout that time he got busted at the G-20 summit when got drunk off non-alcoholic beer and started rubbing Angela Merkell's(sp)back? It really irritated her.
See our President doesn't act like a buffoon and embarrass the American people.
Oh, then you fail to mention we have a drunk leader in the House of Representatives. That'd be John of Orange the Grim Weeper
2 Weeks Ago = The Bus
Last Week = Vacation
This Week = His Uncle
Next Week = ???
Do me a favor Kirk...and quit trolling me.
I have neither the time, patience or inclination to play with you...
It's not my problem you're not getting enough attention at home!
PS: Sleeping with the turbblossoms manifesto under your pillow has paid off generously for you! ;o)
From the sound of them, my bet is 'laser focused' they've never met a chattering point they could pass up... lol
Next Week = ???
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His totally bogus "big new jobs program" which is likely to be just more of the same old, same old, Keynesian defict spending "stimulus" that didn't work in the 2009 Porkulus bill.
The President sure put Romney's speech in the hole....a postive upbeat affirmation of the achievements of our military and our missions contrasted to a negative downer speech by a loser in more ways than one.
Joe in Albany
Next Week = ???
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His totally bogus "big new jobs program" which is likely to be just more of the same old, same old, Keynesian defict spending "stimulus" that didn't work in the 2009 Porkulus bill.
Joeey
Go lie down next to your bowl.
No, I suspect next week's "NON-troversy" will be that someone will start spouting off about how the President needs to be somewhere specific for the 10th anniversary of "9/11" and he's not going.
Fiesty, I am not going to play your silly personal attack game. Just want to see if you can really use those thinking skills. Its called a challenge not a troll. I would think you wouldnt back down from a challenge. See if you can critically think?
Oh, you're challenged alright...
Just not a flavor I'm fond of!
Now, again - you're dismissed!
Gosh NOID - that's why we play the game.
Next week is the ginormously huge jobs speech to end all unemployment.
Joe - what do you mean Porkulus didn't work? But Navy said it did just this morning.
Does make you wonder, if it did work, and got kick started the economy, why on earth would we need another?
See libbies, it's the simple questions that really bring it home. And right now home is one jacked up, unemployed place where no one has any confidence in Obama's ability to steer the ship.
Joeey
Go lie down next to your bowl.
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Mrs. Bev Sharpton
Go lie down next to your man.
Joe - what do you mean Porkulus didn't work? But Navy said it did just this morning.
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Who reads the Mothball Navy's posts except for those looking for a good laugh at the lefty liberal peanut-sized brain?
Spanky-
Next week is the ginormously huge jobs speech to end all unemployment.
Joe - what do you mean Porkulus didn't work? But Navy said it did just this morning.
Does make you wonder, if it did work, and got kick started the economy, why on earth would we need another?
Spanky-
You still have time to debunk those facts checks i left in the previous thread.
That job plan the Tea tarts left is laugh out funny. Did you see those huge fonts talking about tax cuts and deregulation
That definitely was a J-O-B-LESS plan
See libbies, it's the simple questions that really bring it home. And right now home is one jacked up, unemployed place where no one has any confidence in Obama's ability to steer the ship.
Joe in Albany
Mrs. Bev Sharpton
Go lie down next to your man.
Joeey,
I rather lay next to a man than a bowl.
If you be a good doggie, I just may put some Kibbles 'n Bits in your bowl.
"Of course, he could of walked on water while spitting quarters and the Obama haters will still find something to b!tch about!"
Wow, Feisty, can you call 'em or what? Just looked in on this thread, and there they all are- Spankie, Joe Albany, WCA, Bob numerals- all of 'em.
Tactic #1: Take the Offensive
Tactic #14: Rhetorical Devices
Oh, and before I forget:
I noticed Spanky yesterday trying to convince the rest of us the ‘Rove Tactics’ deal is just plain old ‘debate’ to folks that make a living in a court room. I guess I’d have to ask- if YOUR side’s argument is so persuasive and correct, why would you have to stoop to this?
Neat.
I think a nice big snausage up his ... is more his cup of tea! ;o)
Gee Bev - my earlier assertation stands strong. I notice you didn't respond to my reply to your name calling. I guess your superior intelligence trumps the fact that you are a racist. Let's see... does being an intelligent racist make you a smarter hater? I think it actually does.
Golly Drive By, I don't recall them all, but the first three of these "tactics" apply to all argument and persuasion. It almost sounds like you have never taken an Oral Communications class, persuasive writing class, or logic class. Can that be Drive By?
But then again, what of any of that do you know? Persuasion is not your business. The fact that you asked that last question really highlights your ignorance.
So you think the opposing side doesn't think it's arguments are correct? It isn't about stooping, but persuasion is very difficult and is why some lawyers are better than others.
Again, what of any of this do you know? Sure you have watched so me Perry Mason, but dude?
It's a whole big world out there Drive By. Open your eyes.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I think a nice big snausage up his ... is more his cup of tea! ;o)
Yea, JOE better consult Spanky on that. That's Spanky's area (pun intended) of expertise; right Spanky? You did talk about how delightful things from behind are.
Bev is this your idea of homosexual humor? I thought that sort of humor was frowned upon by liberals. Well maybe not racist liberals.
"But then again, what of any of that do you know? Persuasion is not your business. The fact that you asked that last question really highlights your ignorance."
Because you say so? Sorry, 'counselor'- no it does not.
I stand by the comment. IF my arguement is based on fact and is correct, I don't need to pursuade anyone with 'tactics'. I think you guys use some Latin term that means 'the thing speaks for itself" or something like that.
Joeey,
I rather lay next to a man than a bowl.
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Bev, laying down next to Al Sharpton is the same as laying down next to Francis the talking jackass. Except Francis has a much better command of the English language than your Rev.
"If you be a good doggie,....."
Bev, if you be a lefty, maybe I put some free govt money in your pocket and send you to an ESL class, too. (BTW, there's only one "e" in "Joey". You aren't even bright enough to spell your insults right. Moron.)
BTW, Nasty, I think Billy Fuccillo was describing your fat a** on his website when he had his arms open wide and said "IT'S HUGE!!!"
http://www.fuccillo.com/
There is no pleasing the members of the White Citizens Council/Tea Party/Klan or whatever they call themselves! They will always preach Hate!
Thank you President Obama for the great speech! You have done a wonderful job with our veterans!
Tommy,
Read your post again, its full of hate.
The President can focus on jobs and give a nice speech on foreign policy to the American Legion, without the former being neglected by the latter.
It is called multi-tasking, Pat. Like the President ordering the operation on bin Laden early on in his Presidency and monitoring it all along while doing other things as well.
President Obama "praised its accomplishments under the Bush administration", but Mitt Romney had nothing but criticism for the Obama administration, as the Republicans can not afford to be anything but rabidly negative. You can almost hear Rove in the background, "negative wins elections!"
Amy, try again.
If a candidate is running for office, he or she will criticize his or her opponent.
Barack Obama went all negative throughout his 2008 campaign. He comes from the bare knuckles political territory of Chicago. Ya think they dont go "negative"? Ask Rahm Emmanuel about that.
You apparently think your idol Obama is perfect and any criticism is treasonous.
Bob, you are flat out full of crap. Go back and watch some video from Obama's campaign and come back and say that with a straight face. Shoot, I forgot, you're one of those that don't go by facts, just spout whatever lie suits you at the moment.
'Leading From Behind" = A trite phrase used to describe a President that is used to sitting on his hands or twiddling his thumbs or hiding behind other trite phrases, like "humanitarian mission" , if and when he actually gets around to do anything.Now he is claiming our troops did a great job in Libya when our troops were not in Libya. Must have been that special forces group known as "The Ghosts"
BTW, July is now long since departed and I don't see our troops in Afghanistan on their way home anytime soon and now Obama's people are in discussions with the Iraqi's about extending our troops stay there.Directly contrary to what he has promised and is now stating, again.
Let's face it, Obama had no clue about foreign policy when he was running for President, so he was forced to stand behind everyone else when he got into office. He simply had no clue about what to do or how to do it. In the meantime, he managed to commit our resources to three new wars (Libya, Yemen and Somalia) without Congressional approval and without any national security interests at stake.
Iran has run circles around him while continuing their nuclear weapons program, unabated. NK regards Obama as a pest to be swatted away while Kim hides behind China and Russia.
We are in Afghanistan doing the rebuilding, but China is given the mining rights to vast amounts of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and lithium found there by the US. More jobs/resources lost.
Obama has done nothing to address. let alone prevent, the Chinese from stealing our economy, manufacturing base and jobs. He has sent billions to Brazil to promote their oil production infrastructure. He is still pouring billions into Pakistan, despite their obvious coddling of the terrorist we want captured/killed and their corrupt use of the money we send to line the pockets of government officials.
The only thing worse than his foreign policy (read lack thereof) is his 2 1/2 years plus laser like focus on jobs creation. Oops, I forgot, he has done a fairly good job of creating jobs......... in China and Brazil!!!!
Come on guys -
The president can and needs to focus on a multitude of huge issues concurrently. No matter how loud the right is, and no matter how many times they say it, he is not a leftist, socialist, nor idealogue. Unlike the righties (which now are only far righties, sadly), he is a pragmatic, reasonable & monderate true leader trying to do the best things for the middle class in this country. You may not agree with him - or worse, however the facts are clear; The stimulus worked; The stimulus was too small; The stimulus was specifically responsible for avoiding the next great depression; Tax rates as a percentage of GDP are the lowest in 50 years; Reagan would be primaried from his right today and villified for his compromising with Tip O'neill; The filibuster was used exponentially more in the last 3 years than the last 100 in U.S. History combined in an intentional effort to stop government from functioning and prevent Obama from as many legislative victories as possible - So the opposing party can say "see - he can't get anything done!"... as if it's a reasonable premise to expect to have dug out of such a deep hole in 30 months..(or just 3 months if you're Michele Bachmann!).
If you have really paid any attention to the last 20 years of politics, you'd be well aware the only reason his numbers are down is because the liberals are disenchanted with a guy actually trying to get something done. While they are down at the moment - they will come home on election night, and we aren't talking about just old white voters (37%), we're talking about the entire electorate.
The republican's only chance is a reasonable, albeit milquetoast, Huntsman.
Stay focused up - like our guy....Lot's of noise out there. Let's get the job done and quit playing politics.
Obama 2012
AIV,
You forget the right can not do more than one thing at a time so when they see someone who can they lose all touch with reality. You are correct about the stimulus it did work and was to small to make an impression on many, like the rich out of touch majority. Some people actually keep their jobs and fed their kids and stayed in their homes. All the experts stated at the time it was to small to make much of a change (like right wing minds). Of course it was not intended to impress the already well off, it was to keep the poor from dying, what a same we could do with fewer poor. The problem with the stimulus was that the rich did not see much of the money so of course it did not work. As for Obama yes disappointed that he has not been allowed to accomplish more, sorry he did not stand up against the right more, and I think we need to rename the right because they are anything but right. I think maybe something like the negative party, or noparty, or tax the poor party, give to the rich party, etc. anything but right.
Obama should bring our troops home, other than that his foreign policy has been well thought out, inclusive and not over bearing, I give him a B+.
I'll tell you if Obama's speech was a hit after I listen to Hannity today. If Hannity is going on and on and on about how Arab's treat their women, or about Teleprompters or Rev. Wright, I'll know it was a hit.
Stay tuned....
Thanks for taking a shot for the team, DBO.
Let us know.
How can we have confidence in a government that gives billions away to foreign nations while it forces its own senior citizens into poverty?
Up to 150 million people are being cheated out of their EARNED SOCIAL SECURITY benefits due to the unfair WEP and GPO laws. Those EARNED benefits have been cut by up to 60% throwing millions of people into poverty. Some older people are forced to live on just a few hundred dollars per month.
This has been going on for the last 25 years, and anytime a bill is introduced to repeal those laws, it gets tied up in the House Ways and Means Committee and NEVER sees the light of day. Our elected officials are even too cowardly to put it up for vote. Meanwhile, these same piggy congresspeople are complaining that they can't manage to live on $174,000 plus benefits. And some of these elected officials are even living out of their own offices - RENT FREE!
When is this going to end?
I don`t belong to VFW or the American Legion, but I am an ex-serviceman. I like what Obama and our senator Patty Murray have done in behalf of veterans. I was not in during a time of war, but I believe those who serve under those conditions deserve whatever the country can do for them.
President Obama believes truth is the best foreign policy. Republicans complain that telling the truth is weakness. Maybe Dick Cheney is throwing his cap in the ring with his book. He was the faultless God of the Bush administration, where all others were weak and confessed their sins to him, the omniscient, omnipresent, creator of truthiness and war crimes for America.
How come every story about Obama's Illegal Drunk Driving Uncle has no comment section? How come the story was edited to remove the references to his previous court cases and evictions? And his "Do you know who I am" reaction when he was pulled over??? Why were the factual statements about him being Obamas Illegally getting free housing medical and welfare for years Aunt's Brother REMOVED from the article since I first read it??? (of course they made her legal now, just the kind of people we want in our country, right?) For Shame, MSN, For SHAME!!!! Your credibility is slipping away with every biased article you put out, and with every comment thread that starts with the same 2 posters Feisty and Navy. Seriously, SHAME ON YOU MSN!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44317810/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/